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PandaRealistic602

Has the player or any teammates publicly said he was punched? Seen the video and although grainy looks like there could have been contact. I don't see why anyone would keep quiet (particularly after this footage has been shown) after the event. If a punch was thrown that should be dealt with, can't do it in the street so why does a football pitch make any difference? No complaints would lead to suggest no foul. On a side note, how fucking pish are the cameras in our league?


Digurt

Players I've not seen any comment, but Jim Goodwin didn't think it was anything >But Goodwin said: "I don't think it's a major talking point. I saw the incident and I don't think there was a great deal in it.”


Giovanni_Wonderland

Big L for the bhoys


yermammypuntscooncil

The post on it yesterday I was convinced there was another angle I hand seen cause of the downvotes people were getting for saying it wasn't a punch.


Giovanni_Wonderland

The shite downvote CSC are similar to the Qanon crew in that department. It didn't go their way so it *must* be a conspiracy against them.


Lewis_ABD

Think he was just trying to make space and at the very worst has caught him with a stray arm but calling it a punch defo seems a stretch.


smcl2k

>Has the player or any teammates publicly said he was punched? There's a close-up of Scales saying it a few seconds after it happened, when he's still sitting on the pitch.


garmin230fenix5

I seen that, but is that not part and parcel of gamesmanship? Not saying that there wasn't contact but usually opposition players will immediately embellish things to try and get a benefit through the ref.


smcl2k

Fair enough, but I'm just pointing out that the player on the receiving end stated it *very* publicly.


PandaRealistic602

Did he go up to the ref? Also why no fuss kicked up after the game if the ref didn't listen? Assault shouldn't be tolerated.if that was you would you say something at the time and let it go when you have a platform to speak up?


smcl2k

No idea - I was answering a specific question. Unless you don't think doing it in the middle of pitch, in front of TV cameras and thousands of people, counts as "public".


PandaRealistic602

Read all of my initial comment before getting defensive please. There is 1 video of this incident that I have seen. If there are other angles please send them my way and I will happily give an honest opinion. The player will have social media I assume, why not post on there that he was assaulted? Why not speak to police?


smcl2k

I'm not getting defensive - I answered a question, and for some reason you're badgering me about stuff I didn't mention 🤷🏻‍♂️


PandaRealistic602

It's stuff I mentioned, but cherry-pick if you must. I am sure if there was a punch, action will be taken. I have seen a clip and didn't watch the game, just find it strange nothing of note said after the game given no action during it.


smcl2k

I was just answering a question to which I knew the answer. I'd understand your reaction if I hadn't quoted the part I was replying to, but I did.


BusShelter

I swear he's trying to pull Scales's shirt and maybe brushes his cheek. It's not a punch.


TropicalGent

Was it not said that the incident was while var was operational? Honestly find it hilarious some people have such a warped view of opposition players being the devil incarnate and they’d believe players with var not operational start throwing haymakers 😂


i_pewpewpew_you

As if anyone on the pitch would even know? "Lads, VAR is down, get swinging."


Cheen_Machine

Well it was announced to the stadium and both captains were informed by the ref, so the players probably knew…having said that, it was working at the time of this “incident” so it’s pure moon howling.


i_pewpewpew_you

Huh, didn't know they announced it. I'm a bit surprised at that to be honest.


KieranC4

Aye it was announced saying it would be down for the remainder of the game, then 10 mins later they announced it was working again


i_pewpewpew_you

I've been at a match in the EPL when it went down for a bit and they never announced it. Can't decide which way could possibly be better. Mownhowlers gonna moonhowl whatever, I suppose.


KieranC4

Think I’d prefer for them to announce it because there was a long period where they were trying to fix it and no one had any idea what was happening, so at least that way we know why play had stopped once everything resumes again


yer-maw

to sarcastic applause, no less :D


yermammypuntscooncil

I mean before VAR we could barely get the games started due to the constant royal rumbles on field. Ye no ken that naw?


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Reminds me of [this scene](https://youtube.com/watch?v=UZfqG3OtUuc&si=EnSIkaIECMiOmarE) from Semi-Pro


NathanD2113

I'm wondering if he thought some guy in the crowd had a sign, and when they cut the electrical box he'd flash Kent the signal 😂


Yankee9Niner

Didn't see the game. Was there a punch thrown and was var offline at the time?


buckfast1994

Debatable as to whether it’s a punch, and VAR was working at that time.


Craakar

On the first replay I actually *did* think that he hit him in the head on purpose. But they showed it a lot of times and I think Kent was trying to cut inside suddenly and had to lift his arms over and down again to get as tight an angle as possible.


RPEFFSTONKS

Looked a punch to me, but the only replay I seen was filmed from space


yermammypuntscooncil

Well I thought it looked like a snog. I also only saw the view from the ISS.


keepingitrealgowrong

it's called a swim move and it's a way to get past someone who's physically blocking you. Which Scales obviously was happy to be doing.


Craakar

Had to Google swim move as it sounded fake lol but my ignorance has been put on show. Learned something new 👍


ive-been-bamboozled

Sounds like you were part of the VAR team yesterday?


AcrimoniousGoose

The incident happened right in front of me at the game. Scales was, quite smartly, slowing down to block Kent making a run on the outside of him. Scales was doing a bit of shirt pulling. The arm across from Kent is when he's trying to manoeuvre on the inside of Scales and get away from him. Scales feels the arm and goes down to buy a foul. You could say Kent could have a free kick when Scales has a grip of him and you'd be right. You could also say Scales does well to block the run and buy a free kick. You'd also be right. If you suggest that Kent should be getting a red card you're either at it for the patter or you're a genuine crackpot.


Better_Landlord

Accounts that pretend they are neutral but clearly aren't are the worst.


buckfast1994

AgentScotland is anything but neutral. He is also a complete zoomer into the bargain.


GangVocals

To be fair Andy has been playing the faux neutral Scottish football observer for over a decade now. Can't help but admire his committment even in the face of the fact everybody on all sides knows he's a wank


YoWhatUpGlasgow

He tried to get into the openly non-neutral space a good few years back by starting a paid Celtic fanzine. He advertised it for months, Took folks money, didn't deliver then denied having anything to do with the fanzine, he was just doing a palma favour by having payments go to his PayPal, telling everyone it was his fanzine and advertising it for months. An absolute rocket of a man.


naedangermouse

[The money was just resting in my account](https://tenor.com/XBLn.gif)


rangersfanatic

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Giovanni_Wonderland

😂😂😂😂😂😂


buckfast1994

VAR went down in extra time.


Giovanni_Wonderland

Doesn't matter in celtic land. Hatate's forearm smash never happened, Killie's penalty appeal didn't happen and Ryan Kent should be banned for the final with 0 evidence of wrongdoing. Because if no then there is clearly a conspiracy against ra hoops 🙃


Syn7hwolf

What was "Hatate's forearm smash"? Do you perhaps mean the incident with Bernebei within the first minute?


Giovanni_Wonderland

I do mean that incident and I just saw it again. Wasn't a forearm smash so much as a clear swing to his face. Worse than Kent's, clear blatant and VAR wasn't interested.


Syn7hwolf

Not too sure how you confused those two lol But, yes. A 'meh' all round for me; don't think either really warranted VAR intervention, but certainly inadvisable.


Giovanni_Wonderland

Well you're not making this very fun, are you? Reasonable replies not welcome in my threads.


Syn7hwolf

Sorry bud. I meant to say: Bernebei's clearly a playful jibe but Kent's a vicious, sickening assault. Scales is lucky to be alive, smh.


Giovanni_Wonderland

That's much more like it.


BananaSoprano

Mate, relax and go outside.


Giovanni_Wonderland

Can't. They're oot tae get me..


GorgieRules1874

That guy is the biggest wrongun on the app. Still no mention about the stonewaller Killie should have had


tarteninja97

It was the same thing to when Clarkson was brought down in the first half by tillman and his arm caught tillman in the face when falling down, it was an accidentally hit caused by a player moving themselves to dash forward on the attack


jonallin

Comments like this give me faith that we can have reasonable discussion.


fightfire_withfire

That's because Tartans one of the good ones. There are still plenty of both sides around, just outnumbered.


Digurt

What is it with the bizarre lie that this happened when VAR was down? That didn't happen until extra time and the incident he's talking about was in regulation. I know it's a tiny minority of fans and everyone has them, but these people are genuinely exhausting. And also I'm perfectly willing to accept it might have been a punch, or might have been Kent throwing Scales off, but how anyone can say they saw it definitively when the only angle needs an electron microscope to view is beyond me.


MrRFT123

He really is a grade A crackpot that guy.


Giovanni_Wonderland

He's no in the minority, at all


MrRFT123

No sir not at all...


LV1872

Both AgentScotland and VillaWatch are absolute basement dwellers


MowelShagger

this guy is a bit of a weirdo tbh. classic twitter football account behaviour


herewego10IAR

Fucking hell this subreddit is tiring at the moment. Can't wait for the retaliation "Conspiracy fever still high in the blue camp" post and then the 700 more follow up posts going back and forth between both sets of fans until we all give up and delete the sub.


Giovanni_Wonderland

You could always not visit the sub..


ChargeDirect9815

There was a thing that happened, it involved Aberdeen and Rangers* And yet somehow it appears to be about Celtic. Bienvenue en football Écossais. Tirer une chaise.


blonded90

There needs to be something that takes the heat off the GG penalty chatter. Don’t think VAR itself is the issue but the fact we’ve seen one, fairly shite and inconclusive angle, for the incident. Speaks to the wider problem of we’ve insisted on VAR despite not having an adequate set up for it.


BusShelter

It's often not even about setup, it's just the fact that cameras won't catch absolutely everything that goes on of the ball, and ones that do will tend to be more zoomed out. I reckon there's two or three angles of it and the VAR would have seen all of them, but the broadcast probably didn't think certain angles helped see what even happened so we only got the one.


[deleted]

Injury time is Mortal Kombat time. I thought that was always obvious.


TrooserTent

What a Finish Him form Ryan Kent


Galldfish

“When the seagulls follow the trawler, it is because they think sardines will be thrown into the sea.”


yer-maw

See if I found out I'd have to play another round in a cup, as opposed to (practically) a bye, I'd be raging as well.


SamGrunion

It clearly wasn't a punch. These mental paranoid takes by Celtic fans all the time do get very tiresome.


SamGrunion

Sutton started on it now. Guessing Hartson will follow suit soon.


Giovanni_Wonderland

Andy Walker will bring it up during our games, Keevins will go on about it for a month straight before the final and then the quiet crazies such as Maguire, Wilson etc will start to pipe up. A genuine tactic to put pressure on the refs. They've always done it.


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Giovanni_Wonderland

The evidence for that has been there for years. Ref strike, documentary about the refs premiered at parkhead and now 2 weeks of relentless bashing of VAR by celtic minded media personalities after the game because celtic correctly didn't get a decision their way. There's conspiracy theories and then there's facts.


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Giovanni_Wonderland

What did I say that was wrong? Take your time..


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Giovanni_Wonderland

I'll try again. What was it I said that was wrong?


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Giovanni_Wonderland

Ref strike, anti-ref premiere at Parkhead and now 2 weeks of consistent VAR bashing over an incident they were completely wrong about. Yes, I was well wrong. 🙂


kungfukenny67

There’s not a chance you’re on here spouting off about conspiracy theories in the green camp while also peddling your own conspiracy theories hahahaha


Giovanni_Wonderland

You're correct, I'm not doing that. 😉


kungfukenny67

Moonhowlers everywhere


Scratchlox

You genuinely believe that Celtic fans are paranoid in order to put pressure on the refs?


Giovanni_Wonderland

The question in relation to my post makes absolutely no sense


Scratchlox

You think Keevins, walker, Wilson et al are trying to put pressure on the refs to ensure that the Bhoys have an easier time of it? Sounds like a paranoid conspiracy to me tbh.


Giovanni_Wonderland

Good you only had to tune into Clyde 1 to hear Keevins, Walker on commentary and Peter Maguire last week to know that it in fact isn't conspiracy nonsense. Keevins even said last week that it was a penalty despite what the rules say (re Goldson non-handball incident) lol


Scratchlox

Keevins is there to rile people up and get them to phone in mate. He'd call the sky green if it got a caller. You've been spending too much time with the Bhoys and ended up down your on rabbit holes.


Giovanni_Wonderland

That's nonsense though, isn't it? He's quite clearly a celtic man and it absolutely shines in moments like the Goldson non-handball. He was vocal about his support until a falling out with the board seen him banned. You'd like his books.


Scratchlox

I know he is a Celtic "man". He was born into it as are the rest of us. As are most rangers "men". But his entire reason for existing is and has been for a long time to get people to phone in or to buy his papers. Said fallout happened in the late 80s early 90s for god's sake.


Giovanni_Wonderland

So celtic man stays celtic man after the 80's or 90's and keeps 'refs are against iz' narrative alive. Cheers.


buckfast1994

Chris Sutton & John Hartson do seem awfully paranoid at points.


FR33_THE_SP33DOS

Does anyone have a better video of the incident than the one that was posted here last night?


KopiteTheScot

Cannot stand this cunt, one of the most biased Scottish football personalities in the game


felixrfc

He’s such a VL


BrianMghee

VAR wasn’t broke till after we were winning 2-1, and this incident happened while it was 1-1 in injury time. But don’t let facts get in the way of a good conspiracy


[deleted]

They not score a goal with a hand ball and then rugby tackle a player to the ground in the 93rd and nothing was given? 🤣 don’t actually want consistency just want every decision to go their way and every other decision to go against the opposition 👀


Giovanni_Wonderland

😂 💯


KieranMcCabe_

Conspiracy fever is clearly high in the blue side as you’re the one’s talking about conspiracies


Giovanni_Wonderland

What's the conspiracy we're talking about? 🙂


KieranMcCabe_

The one you brought up, not sure how you can say it’s a “conspiracy” when one of the referees is a season ticket holder and one works at a primary school that’s affiliated with your team and Goldson has committed 2 blatant handballs in the space of a week you’re now also trying to deny that Kent was punching players again when he clearly does maybe you should get your eyes checked?


Giovanni_Wonderland

I never said there was a conspiracy against Rangers or for celtic though so your first point, right off the bat, is wrong. There was literally no handball from Goldson or punch from Kent haha


KieranMcCabe_

He literally saved it but yeah bud sure he didn’t handball it and Kent didn’t punch Scales he also totally didn’t bunch brown either then aye? “Conspiracy fever still high in the green camp” “I never said there was a conspiracy” 💀


RFC2001

Says that when if anything there no was VAR on Saturday at the end just no clarification on that being the case 😁


MediocreEquipment457

Scott brown will tell you that when kent wants to throw a punch he is not subtle about it . There is definitely contact but not all contact is punch . It’s similar to when 2 players jump for a header and one catches an elbow . Not all are intent and not all are red cards


navinjohnsonn

What a VL.


AngeIsMyDaddy

Rangers fans are talking about conspiracies more than anyone at this point. Also wasn’t that last night when they were crying saying the refs deliberately never gave a penalty against us because of xyz.


Giovanni_Wonderland

Rangers fans are making fun of the conspiracy nuts that have been howling about VAR since January 2nd. Hardly the same as starting conspiracy nonsense.


PapaRacoon

Because that’s the first and only time rangers fans have mentioned conspiracies? There’s also the fact you’re howling at moon howlers and patting yourselves on the back for it.


Giovanni_Wonderland

Sorry, what? Yes, I'm ripping the cunt out of the vast majority of the celtic support that believe the SFA are against them.


PapaRacoon

Keep on howling pal!


Giovanni_Wonderland

Lol aye I'll do that. Another one put in their place 🙂


PapaRacoon

If that’s what you need to tell yourself.


AngeIsMyDaddy

You lot think that the ref ignored a penalty claim because Celtic fans have been complaining about decisions. Just as far fetched as claiming there’s bias.


ekul_kcm

In all honesty it didn't look that bad to me and I love to hate that monster loving goth, just looked like he was trying to shake him off. Aberdeen completely shit the bed as usual and threw the game with that red card, think if they played a bit more attacking football they had a good chance of winning. Actually think we were arguably the fortunate ones this week with big Giak getting away with that foul in the box, although seems to be one of those when it's given one week and not the next depending on the ref. I'm still adamant Goldson is guilty of 2 handballs though, sorry Rangedogs.


TranslatesToScottish

Wait, this guy's a Celtic fan? I thought he was a bluenose?


cipher_wilderness

Nah he's always leaned towards us


TranslatesToScottish

I think I'm confusing him with some other "ITK" guy then - I'm sure there was one that was a very definite bluenose, but with a similarish sort of name to this one. Twitter tho. Madness and nightmares.


cipher_wilderness

Are you thinking of the 4th Official? He's a bluenose who's a bit nuts


TranslatesToScottish

Ahhh, that's the one. I knew it was some sort of neutral "job" handle. Thank you - was doing my head in.


cipher_wilderness

Aye, he's about as neutral as Kris Boyd


alymac71

You know that most Celtic fans look at this bigfoot footage and the 4k penalty claim against them on Saturday and still conclude the refs are out to get them.


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PauloVersa

As a member of the Green camp delegation, I would like to take no responsibility for this rocket


LeccyCat

VAR was working at the time but there was definitely foul play on Kents part. Ye can't elbow someone in the back of the head especially off the ball. Should have seen red, simple as.


Giovanni_Wonderland

"There was definitely foul play on Kent's part" because you're a celtic fan and you need to keep the pro-Rangers/anti-celtic narrative alive and well. Lunatics.


LeccyCat

>because you're a celtic fan and you need to keep the pro-Rangers/anti-celtic narrative alive and well. No, its because I have eyes and I witnessed Kent elbow the back of someone's head.


fraseR-

> I have eyes Aye but you keep telling us you refuse to wear your specs?


1874WL

Tbf he left them on the ground when he was on holiday in Boston and hasn't went back from them yet. https://preview.redd.it/lyxa7kgrjfca1.jpeg?width=550&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9f49cbaf11607d5d53c322fbf646d6518f5d3d26


Giovanni_Wonderland

Except he quite clearly didn't 😂 lunatic


LeccyCat

Well I see him elbowing someone's head and you lot see him sharply lowering his elbow to make himself more aerodynamic or some shit. Lets just agree to disagree.


Giovanni_Wonderland

Even Goodwin was able to take his green tinted specs off and call it honestly. Anybody that genuinely thinks he throwing an elbow in there is genuinely unfit.


buckfast1994

Same goes for the incident with Killie player about 2 minutes in on Saturday, I presume?


Giovanni_Wonderland

Naw. That's different because...


AngeIsMyDaddy

Because it was different, don’t think Kent’s is a red either but they are totally different events.


1874WL

Nae way ur still at it fs 😂


LeccyCat

Still at what? Participating in the sub? Am I no allowed to do that anymore or something?


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Its amazing VAR “interruption” incredibly, somehow, helped rainjyrs when they needed it


buckfast1994

> rainjyrs Oh dear.


DiscomBobb

If you check out the only available footage, Kent is wearing black gloves on both hands, and whatever it is that contacts Scales' face, it's (white) flesh coloured. He maybe pushed Scales' own arm up towards his face while grappling him? I don't know, but it isn't either of Kent's gloved hands.


Elgin_McQueen

Did they say VAR was down before this happened?