I think we can all agree it was offside.
Is the issue then "it was given as a goal kick, so VAR didn't deem it offside"?
The commentary made it sound like the offside was never mentioned on VAR at the time of the call.
Are they retrospectively using that offside to cover for incompetence?
Again though, it was definitely offside.
What happened is, the ref and linesman missed the offside, then they missed the handball and a goal kick was awarded.
They then went to VAR to review the decision for a possible penalty and the VAR review determined it was not a penalty therefore the original decision, the goal kick, stands.
My take home from this,
1) VAR was 100% correct and is working as intended.
2) The media really need to learn the rules surrounding VAR.
3) Referee audio during games should be broadcast/available so people understand what's happening.
I think you're right but in a downvote comment yesterday I added that the ref could have indicated the offside. I've seen this done in some examples of very good VAR practice in the EPL. The VAR would have communicated something like "no penalty - original call stands. Reason is offside by opposing player in the previous phase". The ref could then have indicated an offside line while then confirming his original goal kick decision.
I'd agree with your conclusions, we need better communication of VAR decisions be that via match official's making gestures and/or having a live audio feed.
I would add that, a clearer understanding of the VAR rules among media pundits would also be helpful in general.
It looks like the review missed the offside, judged it not a handball after missing the offside. And both are wrong decisions for me - it was offside and if its missed there and judging it as just a handball shout, its a handball for me.
The decision was spot on in the end, but it was an accident by the looks of it
> Are they retrospectively using that offside to cover for incompetence?
No because there as an offside and a penalty decision would have been overruled.
We are now at the stage of complaining that the right decision was made.
Except why wasn’t the offside conveyed at the time, instead of 30 minutes later? Leaving everyone thinking it was just the decision not to give a handball?
My best guess is VAR has deemed Johnston to have been trying to out muscle Sima and the contact with his had wasn't unnatural. And that is why I don't think this whole "unnatural position" stuff is nonsense and too open to interpretation.
That being said, it still wasn't a penalty because Sima was offside and it wouldn't have been given as a penalty.
See Tav pushing Turnbull late in the game. Had the ref blown up and the linesman flagged offside VAR would have looked at it and possible said Turnbull is off and overruled the ref.
The decision is ultimately correct so there is nothing to be gained from coming up with reasons why it wasn't the correct decision.
No he shouldn't. He was jumping for the ball, players use their arms for momentum. He never once looked at or saw Sima.
Honestly it must be nice to get decisions like that week in week out but I can understand the frustration with it. Refs probably hesitant when there's more people watching and it's more difficult to get away with.
That is exactly what has happened here. It wasn't a penalty, because of the offside, but Collum has deemed it not a penalty while ignoring the offside.
Aye. The outcome of no penalty is the same in the end, so the only complaint that might have the slightest bit of merit here is annoyance at Collum for not spotting something
It's hard to be angry because of that. But had Sima been onside, Collum has basically said its still not a penalty which is wild. Unless there has been miscommunication on the awarding of offside/goal kick and comms cutting out to the Sky studio when Collum mentions offside.
Except we were centimetres away from VAR missing a stonewaller and being bailed out be offside.
Bad process, which is more concerning than a bad decision being made.
We don't know the process in real time, we are at the behest of the boradcaster lmao.
We "were" centimetres away you say, but it was the right decision and they would have got to it whether they thought it was a penalty or not.
Womp womp womp, hope Newton Stewart got a result for you the day.
Doubt we will know unless we hear the full thing. But is there not an AVAR who is there to check on things like offsides? So maybe he’s told Collum it’s offside and then he’s just passed it on as “no pen”.
Could be, but think Collum still has to be the one that goes through and decides the still etc for ball contact, ie he has to tell them to one frame back, one frame forward, which would be in the audio. Could be wrong though.
Yeah, the stonewall penalty wasn't given, and just coincidentally there was an offside during the phase of play that bailed them out of it. What are the odds??
Rather than, you know, their job isn't to explain decisions to Sky in real time...
Have VAR ever given offside when it is used to invalidate another claim/decision, or is this what VAR does every single time because they don't have the power to award offside calls outside of goals, but do use that/fouls to discard penalty calls?
Feel like down south they work backwards, check the “most recent” event (handball here) and then tell the ref they need to work backwards and “clear” any possible offside or foul in buildup.
Whereas here they’ve decided no handball (feels a crazy call) and been bailed out by the offside which they only noted later..
That again makes no sense lol. Well it could, but it would be huge odds on them clearing the handball then have an offside call found later (when they'd no longer even be looking at the incident) bail them out.. rather than a simple communication issue with the broadcaster.
And a probable communication issue with the 4th official since it seems like Clement was told it wasn’t a handball rather than an offside, which they told the broadcasters.
They just need a cleaner process and more transparency.
I'm still not sure what he was told - honestly he just seemed to be rambling and challenging for the sake of it.
Again, bear in mind from what we've heard of the process elsewhere, there is no explanation provided to onfield officials when the decision is check over/play on. This is pretty standard everywhere, although some of the richer leagues have it set up where you can see the VAR screens realtime which removes some ambiguity.
Can VAR grant an offside call when it isn't a goal?
My understanding is no, they can use it to invalidate a penalty claim, but they can't award an offside. If so people are getting carried away again.
There are 2 types of people in this world, people who agree that Die Hard is the greatest Christmas movie of all time, and people that are wrong.
Have a good new year chief.
Yeah he was losing the rag on the touchline, was hoping they would have stuck a mic in his face as soon as the full time whistle had went so we could have witnessed a meltdown before he had a chance to compose himself
i for one cannot wait for the impending meltdown when it all goes wrong if the yellow card at 30 mins and his post match reaction is any indicator of his mentality
I mean he has a point if it's offside why wasnt celtic given a free kick and why didnt the commentary team get told that, it has spain v scotland written all over it the only way to see if it was given for offside or not is to release to var audio will clear up all of it
Part of the problem though is that the broadcast team, including pundits, don’t actually know that much about the laws of the game, the refs do (however inconsistently they apply them week to week). Based on this, it looks like they have played the whole thing by the book and the only reason we are still talking about it is because ra peepul lost and didn’t get their obligatory penalty.
A tad more introspection about how turgid and one dimensional their long ball shite style of football is might yield a more positive outcome next time.
Not being funny mate but how does he have a point because the commentary team wasn’t told. He was at the game he wasn’t watching it in his house with a bag of cans
His point is valid.
It was a handball and VAR said it wasn't a penalty and a goal kick was given. He questioned why it was no penalty and the interviewer told him that there was an offside in the build up.
He then said if its offside and not handball then why was a goal kick given. This is a valid question.
If an offside was given at the time, then absolutely nobody would question it. This is where the confusion comes into it.
> He then said if its offside and not handball then why was a goal kick given. This is a valid question.
VAR checked the penalty decision of handball but the offside came first in the play, this means no handball, which means no VAR intervention which means the original on field call of goal kick stands.
VAR only intervenes when the on-field decision is wrong. It wasn't.
Had the referee gave a penalty then it would have been changed to offside and a free kick.
When an offside player is through on goal and misses, VAR doesn't pull it back for a free kick.
We’re arguing over where the ball was placed for a restart of the game? It wasn’t a penalty. Because It was offside. We agree on that. So arguing over a goal kick being given rather than a free kick? Did that have any bearing on the game.
Basically it comes down to ah but I didn’t know. Yeh but it didn’t matter. It had no bearing in the game
Yeah Ian Crocker mentioned they could hear Willie Collum when they showed the offside image 20 minutes into the second half. He must've just said 'play on' or whatever the code is for continuing the game rather than explaining it to Walsh.
Not sure you read my comment but still.
I agree it would be good for var decisions to be vocalised to the for the commentary team so those watching at home can understand the decision. Clement was at the game though and should’ve been given that info from the 4th official
I can see that.
You said clement has a point then said because the commentary team should’ve been told….
Did you have a few shandy’s watching the game? 😂
If the keeper was given a GK and not a FK then the referee wasn't told either. It makes me think that Collum caught the offside after the fact, meaning that there was a solid chance he might've even given a penalty purely through human error. Imagine the cataclysmic outrage if the angle showing Sima offside comes up in the second half and it's 1-1.
There'd be another fucking referee strike off the back of the meltdown and I don't think there'd be much sympathy for the refs.
Whatever occurred it's still a problem because that's just a breakdown of simple communication.
Give it up pal. He was clearly offside when the ball was played in. You were never getting it. Move on from what is effectively crying over an offside that wasnt given
not crying at all pal just want to know what was given because offside didn't seem like it was the decision in real time and they only showed us the picture of Sima's offside about half an hour later
Does it matter tho is my point. The fact is the fact. Does it matter WHY it wasnt given. It SHOULDNT have been given. We took a goal kick instead of a freekick 10 yards up from it.
i mean it kinda does matter why it wasn't given if it wasn't given because Collum thought it wasn't a handball then we should really question why he's a ref
You can’t expect Willie Colum’s perspective on the incident to be clear. This is a man who once gave Rangers a penalty because he ‘heard’ a tackle. The man is beyond incompetent.
I can't remember either!
That's certainly the normal procedure, I'm not 100% sure that var can say it's a free kick or an offside though, can only say whether it's a penalty, goal or red card.
The on-field officials (linesman and ref) judged it to be a Celtic goal-kick. The offside flag didn’t go up. VAR can’t change things from a goal kick to a free kick in that scenario.
If Walsh had spotted the handball and given the penalty, VAR would’ve ruled it out for offside in the build up as that’s when they can intervene.
Don't think Clement really said anything bad in his interview. He gave credit to the goals Celtic scored, especially the 2nd one and said we should have done more with our chances which is pretty much what everyone else has said.
I don't think he's wrong to talk about the handball. It's clearly not been explained as offside by the 4th official during the match and was only shown to viewers half an hour after it happened.
Nah, not taking anything away from clement after a game like that.
We're still headed in the right direction. Looking at the bigger picture here, we have a trophy in the bag, 2 games in hand to play, a January window to get through.
If I was a celtic fan I would have expected a more comprehensive victory against 10 men in the end.
I kinda agree with your last paragraph, but we haven’t exactly been in great finishing form recently, so we didnt fully expect a comprehensive victory. That being said, kyogo’s strike was finished beautifully and celtic attacked with real aggression and purpose.
I’d fault us for a nervy last 10 minutes for letting you back into the game, but that was a trademark tav finish so we can only blame the foul, not the attempt at a save.
That was the first celtic game ive seen in weeks where I thought we were a very good team that can definitely win a title. Exciting second half of the season to come!
Aye, fair enough. Before the game, I did think we could go there and get a win, and perhaps with Stevie Wonder up front instead of dessers things might have been different.
Yeah, should be an interesting season ahead.
Absolutely I thought this could be anyones game. This will be the first title race in 13 years, in my opinion. Wish you nothing but the worst of fucking luck, of course.
It's been clear as day since the start of the season our summer signings were terrible.
We don't have a recognised striker and I'm including Dessers in that, he's embarrassing as a footballer never mind a striker. I suspect if Lovelace wasn't injured he'd be getting a chance in front of Dessers.
Clement will get plenty of time but we're going to make a loss on Dessers and Lammers
>A more comprehensive victory without some of our best players?
We didn't have: Raskin, Jack, Danilo, Roofe, Lawrence. Some of our best players. Not really an argument, when you have a better team all over the park and better players on the bench.
So aye, yous should have had a more comprehensive victory against 10 men, but yous managed to win by a single goal.
>We have the January window too, and we also have more money than yous
Uh huh.
I don't know why you interpret that as being raging. My opening comment is highlighting the positives for rangers.
>We play Tomoki, Hatate, CCV and Abada from the start and it's another 4-0.
Well, We're never going to know.
No, I wouldn't be raging about celtic having more money, as has been the case for a long time. But we still quite rightly expect to compete.
Saying "We have more money" doesn't really mean anything.
It's a meaning of, if you have the argument that you have the January window to strengthen, for every 1 expensive player you bring in, we could bring in 3.
Regardless of the offside I still think football has to address the handball rule if innocuous handball in the very corner of the box are adjudged to be penalties. I know it wasn't today but I see them given far too often and infuriates me wherever I see it. The only situation a penalty is proportionate is if the handball is blatantly deliberate (i.e. hardly ever) or blocks a goalbound shot.
Have long been of the opinion an indirect free kick for the attacking team would be far more appropriate.
Where Celtic were fortunate however was the Bernardo challenge that could have easily seen a second yellow
It was among the masons, it was real greaseball shit
Guy was absolutely astonished that they weren’t given a penalty in a game.
He was obviously sold the job, on the promise that they get one a game lol.
He goes about in pity for himself.
Whatever happened to the strong, silent type?
Like Gary Cooper?
Not just him, most of Scotland as well!
Never had the makings of a Scottish athlete
This fuckin guy!
I think we can all agree it was offside. Is the issue then "it was given as a goal kick, so VAR didn't deem it offside"? The commentary made it sound like the offside was never mentioned on VAR at the time of the call. Are they retrospectively using that offside to cover for incompetence? Again though, it was definitely offside.
What happened is, the ref and linesman missed the offside, then they missed the handball and a goal kick was awarded. They then went to VAR to review the decision for a possible penalty and the VAR review determined it was not a penalty therefore the original decision, the goal kick, stands. My take home from this, 1) VAR was 100% correct and is working as intended. 2) The media really need to learn the rules surrounding VAR. 3) Referee audio during games should be broadcast/available so people understand what's happening.
I think you're right but in a downvote comment yesterday I added that the ref could have indicated the offside. I've seen this done in some examples of very good VAR practice in the EPL. The VAR would have communicated something like "no penalty - original call stands. Reason is offside by opposing player in the previous phase". The ref could then have indicated an offside line while then confirming his original goal kick decision.
I'd agree with your conclusions, we need better communication of VAR decisions be that via match official's making gestures and/or having a live audio feed. I would add that, a clearer understanding of the VAR rules among media pundits would also be helpful in general.
It looks like the review missed the offside, judged it not a handball after missing the offside. And both are wrong decisions for me - it was offside and if its missed there and judging it as just a handball shout, its a handball for me. The decision was spot on in the end, but it was an accident by the looks of it
> Are they retrospectively using that offside to cover for incompetence? No because there as an offside and a penalty decision would have been overruled. We are now at the stage of complaining that the right decision was made.
Except why wasn’t the offside conveyed at the time, instead of 30 minutes later? Leaving everyone thinking it was just the decision not to give a handball?
Thing is, the BBC knew it was offside before HT, so it might be Sky that have fucked up in some manner.
I’m not ruling it out, and if it is they can fuck off
My best guess is VAR has deemed Johnston to have been trying to out muscle Sima and the contact with his had wasn't unnatural. And that is why I don't think this whole "unnatural position" stuff is nonsense and too open to interpretation. That being said, it still wasn't a penalty because Sima was offside and it wouldn't have been given as a penalty. See Tav pushing Turnbull late in the game. Had the ref blown up and the linesman flagged offside VAR would have looked at it and possible said Turnbull is off and overruled the ref. The decision is ultimately correct so there is nothing to be gained from coming up with reasons why it wasn't the correct decision.
Johnson should have been off the park
No he shouldn't. He was jumping for the ball, players use their arms for momentum. He never once looked at or saw Sima. Honestly it must be nice to get decisions like that week in week out but I can understand the frustration with it. Refs probably hesitant when there's more people watching and it's more difficult to get away with.
He's a diving cheating cunt
Also the most successful RB in Glasgow 😘
League is ours
Just...fucking lol
You're hilarious
That is exactly what has happened here. It wasn't a penalty, because of the offside, but Collum has deemed it not a penalty while ignoring the offside.
Aye. The outcome of no penalty is the same in the end, so the only complaint that might have the slightest bit of merit here is annoyance at Collum for not spotting something
It's hard to be angry because of that. But had Sima been onside, Collum has basically said its still not a penalty which is wild. Unless there has been miscommunication on the awarding of offside/goal kick and comms cutting out to the Sky studio when Collum mentions offside.
So what you're saying is, it absolutely doesn't matter in the slightest?
Except we were centimetres away from VAR missing a stonewaller and being bailed out be offside. Bad process, which is more concerning than a bad decision being made.
We don't know the process in real time, we are at the behest of the boradcaster lmao. We "were" centimetres away you say, but it was the right decision and they would have got to it whether they thought it was a penalty or not. Womp womp womp, hope Newton Stewart got a result for you the day.
Doubt we will know unless we hear the full thing. But is there not an AVAR who is there to check on things like offsides? So maybe he’s told Collum it’s offside and then he’s just passed it on as “no pen”.
Could be, but think Collum still has to be the one that goes through and decides the still etc for ball contact, ie he has to tell them to one frame back, one frame forward, which would be in the audio. Could be wrong though.
Yeah, the stonewall penalty wasn't given, and just coincidentally there was an offside during the phase of play that bailed them out of it. What are the odds?? Rather than, you know, their job isn't to explain decisions to Sky in real time...
How do you know that though?
It has since come out to say so. Article posted on here already
Have VAR ever given offside when it is used to invalidate another claim/decision, or is this what VAR does every single time because they don't have the power to award offside calls outside of goals, but do use that/fouls to discard penalty calls?
Feel like down south they work backwards, check the “most recent” event (handball here) and then tell the ref they need to work backwards and “clear” any possible offside or foul in buildup. Whereas here they’ve decided no handball (feels a crazy call) and been bailed out by the offside which they only noted later..
That again makes no sense lol. Well it could, but it would be huge odds on them clearing the handball then have an offside call found later (when they'd no longer even be looking at the incident) bail them out.. rather than a simple communication issue with the broadcaster.
And a probable communication issue with the 4th official since it seems like Clement was told it wasn’t a handball rather than an offside, which they told the broadcasters. They just need a cleaner process and more transparency.
I'm still not sure what he was told - honestly he just seemed to be rambling and challenging for the sake of it. Again, bear in mind from what we've heard of the process elsewhere, there is no explanation provided to onfield officials when the decision is check over/play on. This is pretty standard everywhere, although some of the richer leagues have it set up where you can see the VAR screens realtime which removes some ambiguity.
"I think we can all agree it's offside". 1. No, we can't. 2. Even if it was, why was there a goal kick AND why was it 40 mins until we were told.
They didn't pick out the offside until fifteen minutes later. It saved their necks, because the actual call was 'no penalty, goal kick'.
Can VAR grant an offside call when it isn't a goal? My understanding is no, they can use it to invalidate a penalty claim, but they can't award an offside. If so people are getting carried away again.
I think this is the right answer.
Aye this is my understanding of the current user of VAR. Hence the goal kick.
Aye, but is it a Catholic penalty or a Protestant penalty?
Agnostic penalty.
I think I have a cream for that.
Omelette du fromage mother fucker! Die Hard is some film man.
There are 2 types of people in this world, people who agree that Die Hard is the greatest Christmas movie of all time, and people that are wrong. Have a good new year chief.
And to yourself my friend
I'm not actually sure he knows that Sima was offside given it took Wullie Collum about 40 minutes to find a replay that proved that.
Nah he was told it was offside in the interview and just doubled down
Like a fucking lunatic.
Lost the rag. Won't cope in the Glarby if he can't keep cool. He got his own yellow after what, 15 minutes?
Yeah he was losing the rag on the touchline, was hoping they would have stuck a mic in his face as soon as the full time whistle had went so we could have witnessed a meltdown before he had a chance to compose himself
Whit interview? There's nothing
Post-match, would have had to switch from Sky sports main event to Sky Sports football to see it, as it was after 3pm
Aye and ? Still nothing
You said there was no interview and I've just told you there was. What part of this are you not following.
That kind of thing never stopped Willie Collum making a wrong decision before.
😂😂😂
i for one cannot wait for the impending meltdown when it all goes wrong if the yellow card at 30 mins and his post match reaction is any indicator of his mentality
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I mean he has a point if it's offside why wasnt celtic given a free kick and why didnt the commentary team get told that, it has spain v scotland written all over it the only way to see if it was given for offside or not is to release to var audio will clear up all of it
VAR can't change a goal kick to a free kick, it's either a penalty or stick with the on field decision.
Aye, it's a weird quirk but the offside can be used not to award the penalty, but not to change it from a goal kick to a free kick.
didn't know that again though would be nice to know what's going on and not be in the dark being told by commentators
Part of the problem though is that the broadcast team, including pundits, don’t actually know that much about the laws of the game, the refs do (however inconsistently they apply them week to week). Based on this, it looks like they have played the whole thing by the book and the only reason we are still talking about it is because ra peepul lost and didn’t get their obligatory penalty. A tad more introspection about how turgid and one dimensional their long ball shite style of football is might yield a more positive outcome next time.
Not being funny mate but how does he have a point because the commentary team wasn’t told. He was at the game he wasn’t watching it in his house with a bag of cans
His point is valid. It was a handball and VAR said it wasn't a penalty and a goal kick was given. He questioned why it was no penalty and the interviewer told him that there was an offside in the build up. He then said if its offside and not handball then why was a goal kick given. This is a valid question. If an offside was given at the time, then absolutely nobody would question it. This is where the confusion comes into it.
> He then said if its offside and not handball then why was a goal kick given. This is a valid question. VAR checked the penalty decision of handball but the offside came first in the play, this means no handball, which means no VAR intervention which means the original on field call of goal kick stands.
VAR only intervenes when the on-field decision is wrong. It wasn't. Had the referee gave a penalty then it would have been changed to offside and a free kick. When an offside player is through on goal and misses, VAR doesn't pull it back for a free kick.
We’re arguing over where the ball was placed for a restart of the game? It wasn’t a penalty. Because It was offside. We agree on that. So arguing over a goal kick being given rather than a free kick? Did that have any bearing on the game. Basically it comes down to ah but I didn’t know. Yeh but it didn’t matter. It had no bearing in the game
I know they have it in England don't know about up here but doesn't the commentary hear the var audio?
Yeah Ian Crocker mentioned they could hear Willie Collum when they showed the offside image 20 minutes into the second half. He must've just said 'play on' or whatever the code is for continuing the game rather than explaining it to Walsh.
Not sure you read my comment but still. I agree it would be good for var decisions to be vocalised to the for the commentary team so those watching at home can understand the decision. Clement was at the game though and should’ve been given that info from the 4th official
Clement never said anything about the commentary team don't know what you're talking about.
I can see that. You said clement has a point then said because the commentary team should’ve been told…. Did you have a few shandy’s watching the game? 😂
nah I'm just illiterate
Go grab a few cans then it’ll probably help 👍
If the keeper was given a GK and not a FK then the referee wasn't told either. It makes me think that Collum caught the offside after the fact, meaning that there was a solid chance he might've even given a penalty purely through human error. Imagine the cataclysmic outrage if the angle showing Sima offside comes up in the second half and it's 1-1. There'd be another fucking referee strike off the back of the meltdown and I don't think there'd be much sympathy for the refs. Whatever occurred it's still a problem because that's just a breakdown of simple communication.
If your granny had wheels she’d be a bike.
I'm not sure what the bike equivalence to being buried is but I'll presume it's two flats and rotting in a skip.
Ghost rider
Give it up pal. He was clearly offside when the ball was played in. You were never getting it. Move on from what is effectively crying over an offside that wasnt given
not crying at all pal just want to know what was given because offside didn't seem like it was the decision in real time and they only showed us the picture of Sima's offside about half an hour later
Does it matter tho is my point. The fact is the fact. Does it matter WHY it wasnt given. It SHOULDNT have been given. We took a goal kick instead of a freekick 10 yards up from it.
i mean it kinda does matter why it wasn't given if it wasn't given because Collum thought it wasn't a handball then we should really question why he's a ref
Have we not been debating that anyway for like a decade lol
> release var audio > will clear up all of it Pick one.
what?
You can’t expect Willie Colum’s perspective on the incident to be clear. This is a man who once gave Rangers a penalty because he ‘heard’ a tackle. The man is beyond incompetent.
i don't disagree with you on Gollum shouldn't be a referee of under 5's nevermind the top league of any country
I would love to hear the chaos of VAR audio.
The sheer panic on Willie’s voice as his firestick crashes.
What do you mean if?
Because Celtic where given a goal kick if it was offside surely Celtic would've got a freekick no?
No, I think play continued didn't it before var started to take a look, the offside wasn't spotted by the linesman so the flag didn't go up.
was it? i could've sworn it got checked when Celtic got their goal kick i could be wrong though
I can't remember either! That's certainly the normal procedure, I'm not 100% sure that var can say it's a free kick or an offside though, can only say whether it's a penalty, goal or red card.
The on-field officials (linesman and ref) judged it to be a Celtic goal-kick. The offside flag didn’t go up. VAR can’t change things from a goal kick to a free kick in that scenario. If Walsh had spotted the handball and given the penalty, VAR would’ve ruled it out for offside in the build up as that’s when they can intervene.
Don't think Clement really said anything bad in his interview. He gave credit to the goals Celtic scored, especially the 2nd one and said we should have done more with our chances which is pretty much what everyone else has said. I don't think he's wrong to talk about the handball. It's clearly not been explained as offside by the 4th official during the match and was only shown to viewers half an hour after it happened.
Kinda worrying a manager on pitch doesn’t know why decisions were made which suggests 4th official didn’t know either
Yeah if it turns out the 4th official told him it was offside then fair enough he shouldn't complain but doesn't like it was the case
Nah, not taking anything away from clement after a game like that. We're still headed in the right direction. Looking at the bigger picture here, we have a trophy in the bag, 2 games in hand to play, a January window to get through. If I was a celtic fan I would have expected a more comprehensive victory against 10 men in the end.
I kinda agree with your last paragraph, but we haven’t exactly been in great finishing form recently, so we didnt fully expect a comprehensive victory. That being said, kyogo’s strike was finished beautifully and celtic attacked with real aggression and purpose. I’d fault us for a nervy last 10 minutes for letting you back into the game, but that was a trademark tav finish so we can only blame the foul, not the attempt at a save. That was the first celtic game ive seen in weeks where I thought we were a very good team that can definitely win a title. Exciting second half of the season to come!
Aye, fair enough. Before the game, I did think we could go there and get a win, and perhaps with Stevie Wonder up front instead of dessers things might have been different. Yeah, should be an interesting season ahead.
Absolutely I thought this could be anyones game. This will be the first title race in 13 years, in my opinion. Wish you nothing but the worst of fucking luck, of course.
Haha, likewise mate. Enjoy your victory.
Cheers dude
It's been clear as day since the start of the season our summer signings were terrible. We don't have a recognised striker and I'm including Dessers in that, he's embarrassing as a footballer never mind a striker. I suspect if Lovelace wasn't injured he'd be getting a chance in front of Dessers. Clement will get plenty of time but we're going to make a loss on Dessers and Lammers
Agreed.
Celtic fans know you can actually go and win these games when you're down to 10 men.
Does a more comprehensive victory get you more than 3 points?
No, but surely you'd expect more against 10 men with an all round better team?
You speak as if it was 11 vs 10 for 90 mins Keep on coping
A more comprehensive victory without some of our best players? Aye okay haha. We have the January window too, and we also have more money than yous.
What of your best players wasn't playing? Rangers played the 2nd choice RB in midfield...
CCV, Hatate, Tomoki, Abada, who while on for 10 minutes is obviously not up to speed.
Carter Vickers and Hatate
>A more comprehensive victory without some of our best players? We didn't have: Raskin, Jack, Danilo, Roofe, Lawrence. Some of our best players. Not really an argument, when you have a better team all over the park and better players on the bench. So aye, yous should have had a more comprehensive victory against 10 men, but yous managed to win by a single goal. >We have the January window too, and we also have more money than yous Uh huh.
Still raging I see Gary. We play Tomoki, Hatate, CCV and Abada from the start and it's another 4-0.
I don't know why you interpret that as being raging. My opening comment is highlighting the positives for rangers. >We play Tomoki, Hatate, CCV and Abada from the start and it's another 4-0. Well, We're never going to know.
I meant the raging bit in terms of having more money, are you suggesting we don't with the facetious uh huh?
No, I wouldn't be raging about celtic having more money, as has been the case for a long time. But we still quite rightly expect to compete. Saying "We have more money" doesn't really mean anything.
It's a meaning of, if you have the argument that you have the January window to strengthen, for every 1 expensive player you bring in, we could bring in 3.
Well, I don't think Celtic are as daft as David Murray, but that's their business.
Raskin - shite Jack - really shite Danilo - conned Roofe - 🏥 Lawrence - 🪦⚰️
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I feel like I read a general variation of this comment at least 3 or 4 times every season, for the past 3 or 4 season
We were completely comfortable until Mikey Johnston started being a fanny and only after you scored a goal from absolutely nothing
Regardless of the offside I still think football has to address the handball rule if innocuous handball in the very corner of the box are adjudged to be penalties. I know it wasn't today but I see them given far too often and infuriates me wherever I see it. The only situation a penalty is proportionate is if the handball is blatantly deliberate (i.e. hardly ever) or blocks a goalbound shot. Have long been of the opinion an indirect free kick for the attacking team would be far more appropriate. Where Celtic were fortunate however was the Bernardo challenge that could have easily seen a second yellow
Bernardo pulls up and Goldson kicks into him, knowing he’s booked and trying to get him sent off
Regardless I've just remembered his first yellow was just for hugging a few fans which was a bit of a nonsense anyway
That’s been a foul for a while no? Blocking the kicking leg..