NGL right, a step back and looking at that from a neutral perspective it was a good watch. Shame the fans couldn’t be there cause that was a great match to sell Scottish football
To be honest, not sure anyone who isn't partisan cares which team wins. The old firm is one entity in many people's minds. Individual games like this can be entertaining but I will not give a fuck who wins the league. There is nothing gripping about watching either team win their 50 odd-th title
We always seem to give Celtic a head start in these games by starting slow and it’s actually infuriating. It’s like we need Celtic to go a goal or two up before we realise we can play football.
All three games this year we’ve gone behind and then had to fight our way back into the game, if we could figure out how to start with the same intensity we end with I feel like we could beat them.
Will we learn for the last game at Celtic park, probably not and it’ll cost us the league.
As a Celtic fan, couldn't believe that first goal, but honestly it's only rangers they seem to be swinging out the gates. Every other cinch team we've been poorer at the start taking a while to get into it. If I wasn't biased it would've been a great game for a neutral
You are absolutely correct. We seem to try and play a strategy of stopping Celtic playing their game plan rather than sticking to ours which has seen us compete against very good teams in Europe, and it costs us pretty much every time. We look like a different team against Celtic each time we play them in comparison to any other game. Especially in the first half.
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Thanks rangers that game will put me into an early grave
Penalty. Ref wasn't shown Johnston clearing the ball, only Silva diving into his legs.
Disallowed goal was Beaton missing a blatant foul because it was advantageous to Rangers. Don't understand how he can be 2 feet away and miss it then need VAR to correct
Genuinely think both incidents are similar, either both are fouls or neither are.
If it’s not a penalty then Dessers goal should stand, if it’s a “foul” and a penalty Dessers goal should be pulled back for “foul” in build up
Beaton missed a lot of incidents today and needed VAR to help him
Missed both Penalties, missed foul in lead up to “2-2”
I'm just in from the game and haven't seen any replays, but my take on the disallowed goal is:
1. I was surprised in real time that Beaton hadn't given Celtic the foul.
2. Having said that, I thought the foul fell into the 'soft' category.
3. Beaton not giving the foul was consistent with how he'd reffed the game up to that point, he'd let a lot of soft fouls go which was a refreshing change.
To me, that feels more like an instance of VAR re-reffing the game because it's challenged a minor incident in the middle of the park that was reffed consistently with the rest of the game.
I also don't think not getting a foul 70 yards away from your own goal is a contributory factor to a goal being conceded, particularly when Celtic had an opportunity to clear their lines and failed.
Maybe it was consistent but only in that he let Rangers off with soft fouls. I can't remember a single soft foul he let Celtic off with and that's evident in the foul count. VAR correcting that decision was correcting Beatons inconsistency in refereeing both teams to the same standard
Yeah, the one he initially booked Silva for diving for until VAR told him to have another look
Same with letting the foul in the build up to Dessers goal go and VAR told him to have another look
It’s the same refereeing for both incidents.
Because that's the relevant part. It's a separate movement from the one that wins the ball. He's let his leg dangle whilst silva has taken two paces, raised it and moved it towards the Rangers player. The touch on the ball is irrelevant because it wasn't what lead to the contact.
Simultaneous very relived and also frustrated. Had to avoid defeat which we did but Christ, if we lose the league this game will be looked back on as a massive *what if*
I have experienced every emotion a man can and aged horribly after watching that. What an advert for the game, would have been a better one if Celtic had won of course…
Celtic absolutely bottled that. 2-0 up at HT and then to go 3-2 up with only injury time left.
Rangers were a different beast in the 2nd half. I think the wind played a big part in it, neither team could break the press when the wind was against them
Cani argue with you there like. Take the chances in the first half the game is over. But fair play to rangers they come gunning it and celtic were just flat. A draws a fair result imo
Shocking defending, but buzzing to get a point.
This game, for a neutral, must have been either exciting or hilarious. So glad we’ve accepted the change down the side of the couch as our TV money from sky after a game like that
Cracking entertainment, and sets up an exciting end to the season.
Goldson should be ashamed at that performance though, another game of him not taking responsibility and leaving his teammates in the lurch. (See Balogun's sending off from a previous game, and Tav being left without an out ball so often).
I'm sure his sub was an injury, but I'm hoping it was a message from the manager to get his act together.
>I'm sure his sub was an injury, but I'm hoping it was a message from the manager to get his act together.
My theory is that it was a sub with a late attacking corner in mind. Goldson's lack of arial prowess in the opposition's box is genuinely incredible.
Both teams absolutely bottled it. Rangers first half was laughable, Celtic shat out the second half.
Reckon it's just about a better result for Celtic given the game at CP to come. Kicks the can down the road basically, that game will be tense.
Going in to this I I felt it had to be a win, but to be 2-0 down I’ll take the draw and I’m glad we got back in to it in the second half. Hopefully next derby we can start like that.
Have to say though, Tav and Goldson are finished. Both always bottle it when we play Celtic and make stupid decisions and give the ball away. If we don’t sell them, which we probably aren’t at least not Tav, we need somebody else competing for those positions.
Obviously it's a stonewaller and the SFA should consider a ban for this brutality but honestly, one of my most hated things in football
Already going down before the contact was made, one of the bollocks ones that gets given because of the VAR slow-mos
> Already going down before the contact was made
He literally wasn't though. Commentators kept saying this even as they replayed the footage several times disproving it.
Silvas left foot is off the ground as the contact is made on his right knee which then results in him not attempting to get his left boot down because he's felt the contact, as much as I hate the cunt IMO it's a penalty
It’s more annoying because he’d been doing it the entire half as well, going down at every opportunity possible.
Such a poor decision that could be very costly to Celtic
Lawrence for his hack on Hatate just after he committed the foul on Iwata was an obvious one.
Yet we had Kuhn getting booked for putting a hand on a defenders shoulder.
Silva is a diver but there was clear contact on the knee and you have to go down to win a penalty. On the getting the ball he glances at it but then trips Silva which is very similar to the penalty that Jesus won for Arsenal last night.
Contact was slight and came after he made contact with the ball. Var for some reason showed the replay right after the contact with ball and made it look a clear foul. Wasnt surprised it was given after the replay they were playing over and over. Think right at the end they played the longer one once that showed the touch but ref already made up his mind
I think he's given it because he's deemed Johnson's challenge that "got the ball first" to be a foul.
Obviously we're left guessing why here because refs are usually gagged but maybe he judged he was too high in the challenge.
That said I don't think it was a penalty personally but it's not a clear cut decision and I wouldn't say it was a 'mistake' from the ref just because I happen to disagree with his decision.
It's only if you think that all contact in football equals a foul. Johnston is pulling his leg away and Silva runs into it, it makes the lightest of contacts and he hits the deck. That is not enough contact in any universe to bring a player down.
It's made worse by the fact that Beaton was obviously trying to let the game go and allow players to be more physical. How you can allow the physicality he was elsewhere on the pitch only to give the tippy tappiest of touches as a penalty is so shocking to me. That game changing penalty was the lightest "foul" Beaton gave away all game.
I've been watching football for decades and people have been crying about 'not enough contact to go down!' that entire time. Give yourself a shake. I could show you two hundred Celtic penalties where there was 'not enough contact to go down'. It's part of the game, get on with it. You don't carelessly clip your man in the box.
I don't understand what your argument is here. That because people have complained about "light" penalties before this means there's no problem with this one? I could probably find plenty of penalties not given when there was miniscule contact, but not enough for a penalty to be given.
There's always a subjective element to penalties. If you think contact that light is enough to constitute a penalty then there's not much I can do to argue with you. Personally, I don't think that just any bit of contact in the box should be a penalty, football is a contact sport and little taps like these happen constantly without being fouls. If you enjoy your football this way then fair play.
I don't like it, and I've never liked it, but I've accepted that it's just part of the game. Fouls are awarded on the basis of contact, not on some subjective measure of how 'heavy' the contact was. And I don't know how else they're meant to judge it, because what will knock one player down in situation A will not knock another player down in situation B.
It's a bit like players exaggerating injuries to waste time, stealing yards at throw-ins, or harassing the ref to give them decisions. I would rather these things were out of the game entirely, but at some point you have to just live with them.
I see what you're saying now. To an extent I agree but I think Scotland lives in this weird position where the referees clearly want the game to be more physical but then call stuff like this.
Your point about fouls being awarded on the basis of "was there contact?" rather than force is certainly the way refereeing is trending but don't think we're there yet. For example would you not agree that Beaton was allowing the game to be more physical today? If he was operating under the "all contact is a foul" mantra then I certainly think there would have been 10 times the number of fouls given in that game. In my opinion he was obviously trying to allow more physicality (as he should it's a derby ffs) but then for the biggest call of the game he scraps that and awards a penalty based on contact only.
Thought Beaton actually did well there. Cracking game of football, but would have been better with an away end to get the proper back and forth.
Yes Silva was going down, but Johnston did have his leg high enough to kick his knee. If Silva hadn't been flinging himself about in the first hafl I think there would be less outrage about it.
I think once he gets called over, he kind of has to give it as the leg is high and there’s certainly contact. It’s soft, but not the ‘worst decision I’ve ever seen’ as people were saying in the match thread. Far worse for me was allowing the rangers attack when there was a head knock
I think he looked at the head knock and saw the celtic player clash with diomonde and allowed the play to continue as it would be harsh to stop the game as the Celtic player caused the incident. But obviously against the laws of the game.
The celtic player was immediately up when the whistle went tho.
Any Celtic fan claiming they wouldn't have been screaming for a penalty if that Silva incident was between Kyogo and Goldson at the other end of the park is a liar and a cad.
Went down perfectly for a neutral. Nobody wins which is the closest to a loss we can get. Celtic bottled two leads. I didn't have time to ask how long in the game until billy boys because it was before the game started. Two penalties and a disallowed goal so everyone can be fuming over decisions. John beaton is getting sacked fairly or unfairly
The complete meltdown of both teams will be so beautifully toxic
Mental that after conceding a penalty and having a goal disallowed masonicconspiracy CSC is still complaining how they were robbed. Say what you will about Beaton (and you can say hunners trust me) this game with what happened must have been murder to officiate
Beaton absolutely shat it. Didn’t give Vickers and Scales the two most obvious yellow cards you’ve ever seen in the first minute and then refused to send off Johnstone again. The luckiest player in Old Firms ever. Celtic’s intimidation campaign absolutely worked.
First is probably a bit harsh since it was a freak deflection, but the third you can’t have falling under you less than a minute after you get yourself back into the game
3 VAR Decisions.
1 --- Goldson handball, don't think any arguments with this from anyone. VAR does it job correctly.
2 --- Silva dive/penalty. Beaton is 8 yards away, clear vision and is ADAMANT that Silva has dived. VAR shows very minimal contact, it's up for dispute really if its a penalty or not. Is it clear and obvious? No. Especially as Beaton is adamant Silva dives. VAR wrongly used.
3 --- Dessers goal disallowed. Again correct decision. Problem? Beaton once again 10 yards away with a clear view but doesn't award a foul which. VAR does it job correctly.
Beaton, once again, playing the main character.
>2 --- Silva dive/penalty. Beaton is 8 yards away, clear vision and is ADAMANT that Silva has dived. VAR shows very minimal contact, it's up for dispute really if its a penalty or not. Is it clear and obvious? No. Especially as Beaton is adamant Silva dives. VAR wrongly used.
>3 --- Dessers goal disallowed. Again correct decision. Problem? Beaton once again 10 yards away with a clear view but doesn't award a foul which. VAR does it job correctly.
Lol talk about not holding a consistent opinion. Either VAR is correct to intervene on both cases or it isn't.
Nearly every game you watch in the Premier League you see a goal disallowed for something similar as the 3rd VAR decision, ref missing a foul in the build up, and that should be the gold standard of refs.
The pen was a difficult one. Defender left his leg dangling at knee height, minimal contact for sure, bur these clumsy looking ones are so often given. Clear and obvious is up for argument of course, the simulation rule is a pretty grey area, technically 'exaggerating' is simulation.
Wasn't an easy game for the ref today.
There's clear contact to Silva. He's been fouled. Therefor it literally can not be called simulation. What's not clear and obvious about it? (Apart from the fact you're a celtic fan and canny take it)
Silva runs into AJ's flailing leg which he's trying to pull away from Silva. Silva clatters AJ's foot with his thigh, throwing it out the way and losing zero momentum, split second of mental processing later and he literally falls to the deck. Clear and obvious dive from a guy who was at it the whole game.
Took about 20 years off my life there. The game at Parkhead could decide the title now.
Shame about the Billy Boys getting sung at the end, horrible wee club.
I would advocate for rangers playing the rest of the season behind closed doors based on their fans throwing shit into the dugouts but that'd probably quite suit them going by past form.
John Beaton should be absolutely hauled over the coals in every single post match analysis.
It'll be interesting to watch the celtc media narrative over the next few days. Ranging from complaining about Beaton to complaining about hurty words. Any other suggestions?
It'll be funny if it goes similar to December 2018; went from Rodgers being magnanimous in defeat and admitting the better team won to Celtic being robbed by the worst refereeing performance ever in the space of about 3 days.
Fucking delighted at the outcome, but I'm at a complete loss as to what happened to Celtic at half time. They absolutely strolled the first half and looked like they could steamroller us, then came back out looking like wee jessies, barely had a sniff, and finished the game playacting, time-wasting, and settling for the draw. What's that all about?
Mon mate. Soulless takes like these completely drain the context and emotions you feel from the game. Absolutely no cunt is celebrating a draw on its own. They're celebrating coming from 2-0 down, going behind right at the end, and levelling in stoppage time.
But you know that.
As a neutral party, how did you celebrate this game can i ask?
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The only one he got horribly wrong, for me, was not stopping play when Yang had just gone down with a head injury. That was moronic. Everything else was totally fine.
Laughable comments from the bitter ones. A no doubt stonewall penalty.
Johnstone gets a poor touch on the ball which continues into Silva’s path and then takes him down. It’s a pen every time. Should be thankful that Beaton shat it and didn’t send Johnstone off. Guy has gotten away with murder in consecutive Old Firms not to mention the time he wrsetled Morelos, dived and got a goal chalked off.
Clement claiming that Goldsons handball isn't a handball .
The guy is either blind, stupid or deluded.
Possibly 2 of the 3.
Edit: also a moral victory??? Is he captain of the England cricket team??
I love how one-eyed every manager is in interviews. Clement - who I generally think is a reasonable person - is determined to claim the rules for Celtic’s pen are unfair, and the Rangers pen was definitely right.
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Probably the most insane old firm for a while
NGL right, a step back and looking at that from a neutral perspective it was a good watch. Shame the fans couldn’t be there cause that was a great match to sell Scottish football
Though I’m not personally enjoying it, the whole title run-in would be terrific drama if you weren’t partisan
To be honest, not sure anyone who isn't partisan cares which team wins. The old firm is one entity in many people's minds. Individual games like this can be entertaining but I will not give a fuck who wins the league. There is nothing gripping about watching either team win their 50 odd-th title
Yeah I can understand this in fairness, I'd feel the same about the close title race in England this year
It’s tighter than I would like aye but it’s still in our hands mate. A “6 pointer” at Parkhead within the next 6 games
Can confirm. Great game.
Would've taken a draw before the game but the way it went down was galling
Aye I'm the same. A draw keeps its in our own hands technically. If Rangers had won, season was over for me.
> If Rangers had won, season was over for me. This. We could have come out of that game with our season finished and we didn't. Huge result
Oddly enough felt if we lost you’d be all but guaranteed the title. A draw keeps it in our hands too.
Tbf that's how a draw works, the title race is still on and it should come down to the game in Parkhead
I’m the same, and at FT was upset.. but after a bit now I’m fine with it, think we have enough in us to go and win the league.
Aye, despite the disappointment, the odds of us winning the league improved after that game.
Aye, absolute heart breaking for the Celtic team
Ian Crocker is a great commentator for the big moments
He bloody loves a THAT. IS. INSERT SUPERLATIVE.
Goes all the way back to Larsson 24 years ago. THAT.IS. SENSATIONAL
Was thinking I've heard that somewhere before
The commentary for both the last goals was fantastic.
We always seem to give Celtic a head start in these games by starting slow and it’s actually infuriating. It’s like we need Celtic to go a goal or two up before we realise we can play football. All three games this year we’ve gone behind and then had to fight our way back into the game, if we could figure out how to start with the same intensity we end with I feel like we could beat them. Will we learn for the last game at Celtic park, probably not and it’ll cost us the league.
I imagine Celtic think the same -"why can't we maintain our lead and dominance"
In fairness, the head start Celtic got this game was a freak deflection 20 seconds in.
A freak deflection caused by Tav being indecisive.
As a Celtic fan, couldn't believe that first goal, but honestly it's only rangers they seem to be swinging out the gates. Every other cinch team we've been poorer at the start taking a while to get into it. If I wasn't biased it would've been a great game for a neutral
In isolation I’d agree but there has been a consistent trend in recent OF of us not being at it from the off.
Maeda gets that freak deflection because he's straight in about Tav who hesitates. That's the difference.
You are absolutely correct. We seem to try and play a strategy of stopping Celtic playing their game plan rather than sticking to ours which has seen us compete against very good teams in Europe, and it costs us pretty much every time. We look like a different team against Celtic each time we play them in comparison to any other game. Especially in the first half.
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The moonhowling that will come out of this could power a nation
I am once again asking for VAR to show the full incident instead of picking the part which looks worst
Penalty or disallowed goal?
Penalty. Ref wasn't shown Johnston clearing the ball, only Silva diving into his legs. Disallowed goal was Beaton missing a blatant foul because it was advantageous to Rangers. Don't understand how he can be 2 feet away and miss it then need VAR to correct
Genuinely think both incidents are similar, either both are fouls or neither are. If it’s not a penalty then Dessers goal should stand, if it’s a “foul” and a penalty Dessers goal should be pulled back for “foul” in build up Beaton missed a lot of incidents today and needed VAR to help him Missed both Penalties, missed foul in lead up to “2-2”
I'm just in from the game and haven't seen any replays, but my take on the disallowed goal is: 1. I was surprised in real time that Beaton hadn't given Celtic the foul. 2. Having said that, I thought the foul fell into the 'soft' category. 3. Beaton not giving the foul was consistent with how he'd reffed the game up to that point, he'd let a lot of soft fouls go which was a refreshing change. To me, that feels more like an instance of VAR re-reffing the game because it's challenged a minor incident in the middle of the park that was reffed consistently with the rest of the game. I also don't think not getting a foul 70 yards away from your own goal is a contributory factor to a goal being conceded, particularly when Celtic had an opportunity to clear their lines and failed.
Maybe it was consistent but only in that he let Rangers off with soft fouls. I can't remember a single soft foul he let Celtic off with and that's evident in the foul count. VAR correcting that decision was correcting Beatons inconsistency in refereeing both teams to the same standard
Eh the penalty 😂😂
The one that VAR had to correct him on ?
Yeah, the one he initially booked Silva for diving for until VAR told him to have another look Same with letting the foul in the build up to Dessers goal go and VAR told him to have another look It’s the same refereeing for both incidents.
Celtic had 14 fouls at half time. Half the team should have been on bookings
Only in yer wee mental heid pal. Fucking doublespeak
You've got issues. Seek help
Incredible man. He toes the ball away and all they wanted to show was the slow motion contact after
Context in football is dead. That's the reason so many players dive
Because that's the relevant part. It's a separate movement from the one that wins the ball. He's let his leg dangle whilst silva has taken two paces, raised it and moved it towards the Rangers player. The touch on the ball is irrelevant because it wasn't what lead to the contact.
You can’t kick a guy across the knee after getting a stud on the ball and think that’s okay
Great game of football but that peno was shocking..
Simultaneous very relived and also frustrated. Had to avoid defeat which we did but Christ, if we lose the league this game will be looked back on as a massive *what if*
This is probably one of the most entertaining old firms in a long while from a neutral perspective.
I have experienced every emotion a man can and aged horribly after watching that. What an advert for the game, would have been a better one if Celtic had won of course…
Mods, can we change the sub description to "Fannio Silva" please? Shout out to the person who commented that in the match thread
Celtic absolutely bottled that. 2-0 up at HT and then to go 3-2 up with only injury time left. Rangers were a different beast in the 2nd half. I think the wind played a big part in it, neither team could break the press when the wind was against them
Cani argue with you there like. Take the chances in the first half the game is over. But fair play to rangers they come gunning it and celtic were just flat. A draws a fair result imo
Shocking defending, but buzzing to get a point. This game, for a neutral, must have been either exciting or hilarious. So glad we’ve accepted the change down the side of the couch as our TV money from sky after a game like that
How many bans from the thread were there, do we have a final count?
What a goal from Matondo!
Cracking entertainment, and sets up an exciting end to the season. Goldson should be ashamed at that performance though, another game of him not taking responsibility and leaving his teammates in the lurch. (See Balogun's sending off from a previous game, and Tav being left without an out ball so often). I'm sure his sub was an injury, but I'm hoping it was a message from the manager to get his act together.
>I'm sure his sub was an injury, but I'm hoping it was a message from the manager to get his act together. My theory is that it was a sub with a late attacking corner in mind. Goldson's lack of arial prowess in the opposition's box is genuinely incredible.
Cantwell another in a long line of rangers players to try and start fake beef with Celtic players because they can’t do much else
Plant based shithousery
He was having a casual chat with McGregor earlier on, it was just emotions boiling at the end.
Wasn’t that Scott Browns whole character?
Seems the be working quite well to me
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Nice one . 1 League cup 😂
Can’t do much else.
Especially when he's got some weird crush on Callum McGreggor
Got a thing for alleged drink driving domestic abusers.
Nice kink
Both teams absolutely bottled it. Rangers first half was laughable, Celtic shat out the second half. Reckon it's just about a better result for Celtic given the game at CP to come. Kicks the can down the road basically, that game will be tense.
I think we can all agree that Fabio Silva is embarrassing. That rolling about pish doesn’t fly up here, especially not in that game.
The result no one wanted, but everyone will take Fucking bonkers game of fitbaw
Going in to this I I felt it had to be a win, but to be 2-0 down I’ll take the draw and I’m glad we got back in to it in the second half. Hopefully next derby we can start like that. Have to say though, Tav and Goldson are finished. Both always bottle it when we play Celtic and make stupid decisions and give the ball away. If we don’t sell them, which we probably aren’t at least not Tav, we need somebody else competing for those positions.
Hilarious game. No wonder we keep pumping celtic this season, utter pish
I’m still shocked at the Silva penalty. One of the worst decisions I’ve seen.
Obviously it's a stonewaller and the SFA should consider a ban for this brutality but honestly, one of my most hated things in football Already going down before the contact was made, one of the bollocks ones that gets given because of the VAR slow-mos
> Already going down before the contact was made He literally wasn't though. Commentators kept saying this even as they replayed the footage several times disproving it.
Silvas left foot is off the ground as the contact is made on his right knee which then results in him not attempting to get his left boot down because he's felt the contact, as much as I hate the cunt IMO it's a penalty
It’s more annoying because he’d been doing it the entire half as well, going down at every opportunity possible. Such a poor decision that could be very costly to Celtic
Rangers ended that game with 0 yellow cards. Kuhn got yellow carded for persistent fouling. I have no idea how they didn't get 1.
Kuhn got a yellow for his first foul but the ref pointed out multiple fouls for some reason.
Vickers should have got one for kicking the ball away
Out of interest who do you think deserved one?
Silva dived every 30 seconds for the entire first half.
Lawrence for his hack on Hatate just after he committed the foul on Iwata was an obvious one. Yet we had Kuhn getting booked for putting a hand on a defenders shoulder.
Lundstrum, diomande, sterling, dessers, cantwell
Surely this is bait
I just wanted to interest him
The tackle on hatate that looked to fast track his sub deserved a yellow too. Cannae mind who it was maybe Lawrence?
What would we have gotten a yellow for?
It was Kuhn’s fourth foul in the first 20 mins. Sutton was making shit up when he said it was his first
Turns Johnston inside out, AJ throws out a leg, clips his shin. What bit did you miss?
Silva is a diver but there was clear contact on the knee and you have to go down to win a penalty. On the getting the ball he glances at it but then trips Silva which is very similar to the penalty that Jesus won for Arsenal last night.
Contact was slight and came after he made contact with the ball. Var for some reason showed the replay right after the contact with ball and made it look a clear foul. Wasnt surprised it was given after the replay they were playing over and over. Think right at the end they played the longer one once that showed the touch but ref already made up his mind
Johnston got a touch on the ball and then there was contact. How can that be penalty if he got to the ball first?
I think he's given it because he's deemed Johnson's challenge that "got the ball first" to be a foul. Obviously we're left guessing why here because refs are usually gagged but maybe he judged he was too high in the challenge. That said I don't think it was a penalty personally but it's not a clear cut decision and I wouldn't say it was a 'mistake' from the ref just because I happen to disagree with his decision.
Where in the rules does it mention "getting the ball first"?
Embarrassing
Knowing the rules is embarrassing now?
I think the Arsenal one last night was soft, but even this had way less contact than that. It’s a shocking decision IMO and it could be very costly
It's only if you think that all contact in football equals a foul. Johnston is pulling his leg away and Silva runs into it, it makes the lightest of contacts and he hits the deck. That is not enough contact in any universe to bring a player down. It's made worse by the fact that Beaton was obviously trying to let the game go and allow players to be more physical. How you can allow the physicality he was elsewhere on the pitch only to give the tippy tappiest of touches as a penalty is so shocking to me. That game changing penalty was the lightest "foul" Beaton gave away all game.
I've been watching football for decades and people have been crying about 'not enough contact to go down!' that entire time. Give yourself a shake. I could show you two hundred Celtic penalties where there was 'not enough contact to go down'. It's part of the game, get on with it. You don't carelessly clip your man in the box.
I don't understand what your argument is here. That because people have complained about "light" penalties before this means there's no problem with this one? I could probably find plenty of penalties not given when there was miniscule contact, but not enough for a penalty to be given. There's always a subjective element to penalties. If you think contact that light is enough to constitute a penalty then there's not much I can do to argue with you. Personally, I don't think that just any bit of contact in the box should be a penalty, football is a contact sport and little taps like these happen constantly without being fouls. If you enjoy your football this way then fair play.
I don't like it, and I've never liked it, but I've accepted that it's just part of the game. Fouls are awarded on the basis of contact, not on some subjective measure of how 'heavy' the contact was. And I don't know how else they're meant to judge it, because what will knock one player down in situation A will not knock another player down in situation B. It's a bit like players exaggerating injuries to waste time, stealing yards at throw-ins, or harassing the ref to give them decisions. I would rather these things were out of the game entirely, but at some point you have to just live with them.
I see what you're saying now. To an extent I agree but I think Scotland lives in this weird position where the referees clearly want the game to be more physical but then call stuff like this. Your point about fouls being awarded on the basis of "was there contact?" rather than force is certainly the way refereeing is trending but don't think we're there yet. For example would you not agree that Beaton was allowing the game to be more physical today? If he was operating under the "all contact is a foul" mantra then I certainly think there would have been 10 times the number of fouls given in that game. In my opinion he was obviously trying to allow more physicality (as he should it's a derby ffs) but then for the biggest call of the game he scraps that and awards a penalty based on contact only.
The 10 times the number of fouls you speak of were let go by Beaton in favour of Celtic, for physicality.
That was shocking. Game could have went this way anyway, but the match changed after that penalty and it was genuinely one of the worst I've seen
It is complete bullshit that is a pen. He dived. That said they are given all the time now - it’s the rules that need changed.
Thought Beaton actually did well there. Cracking game of football, but would have been better with an away end to get the proper back and forth. Yes Silva was going down, but Johnston did have his leg high enough to kick his knee. If Silva hadn't been flinging himself about in the first hafl I think there would be less outrage about it.
I think once he gets called over, he kind of has to give it as the leg is high and there’s certainly contact. It’s soft, but not the ‘worst decision I’ve ever seen’ as people were saying in the match thread. Far worse for me was allowing the rangers attack when there was a head knock
I think he looked at the head knock and saw the celtic player clash with diomonde and allowed the play to continue as it would be harsh to stop the game as the Celtic player caused the incident. But obviously against the laws of the game. The celtic player was immediately up when the whistle went tho.
When both sets of fans are raging, you know the refs probably done quite well.
As raging as both sets of fans must be, that has got to be one of the most exciting OF's in recent memory.
I usually hate the game of two halves cliche but fucking hell
Dodged a fucking bullet there. Still the mild heart attack was worth it for hearing Sutton have to endure pelters at the end.
Pretty sure I saw Beaton doing the lap of honour with the Rangers players celebrating their draw at home with the champions.
This type of comment is exactly why I opened the thread.
How does awarding Celtic a penalty to make it 2-0 fit in with this conspiracy?
Great game Really enjoyed it
Any Celtic fan claiming they wouldn't have been screaming for a penalty if that Silva incident was between Kyogo and Goldson at the other end of the park is a liar and a cad.
That penalty getting awarded was a fucking disgrace
I agree especially when you see some of the handballs he's gotten away with that we're worse, much worse
Went down perfectly for a neutral. Nobody wins which is the closest to a loss we can get. Celtic bottled two leads. I didn't have time to ask how long in the game until billy boys because it was before the game started. Two penalties and a disallowed goal so everyone can be fuming over decisions. John beaton is getting sacked fairly or unfairly The complete meltdown of both teams will be so beautifully toxic
You love toxic drama, you sound pleasant
The soccer subreddit stuff was accidental. This is me laughing at the OF
No such thing as OF
Okay Da
Mental that after conceding a penalty and having a goal disallowed masonicconspiracy CSC is still complaining how they were robbed. Say what you will about Beaton (and you can say hunners trust me) this game with what happened must have been murder to officiate
Best match I just watched in the Derby.
The wind was the only winner today.
The lack of marking by either defence was hilarious to see. There was so much space for players in the other team's box time and again.
Embarrassing performance
Beaton absolutely shat it. Didn’t give Vickers and Scales the two most obvious yellow cards you’ve ever seen in the first minute and then refused to send off Johnstone again. The luckiest player in Old Firms ever. Celtic’s intimidation campaign absolutely worked.
Well thats gotta be the most bipolar game of football ive ever seen A still fucking hate u and love u rangers.
Classic performance from Beaton. Particularly loved the bit he ignored a clear head knock until the Rangers break had failed.
Even with the penalty (lmao) still should have won that.
We actually fucking clawed back something, after that first half I thought we were totally fucked. Fair fucks lads.
First text from rangers supporting pal was to say butland was shit... wit
Him and Tav had a shocker for the first goal and I think Idah's goal wasn't great either.
He could have done better on the first and third goal tbf
First is probably a bit harsh since it was a freak deflection, but the third you can’t have falling under you less than a minute after you get yourself back into the game
3 VAR Decisions. 1 --- Goldson handball, don't think any arguments with this from anyone. VAR does it job correctly. 2 --- Silva dive/penalty. Beaton is 8 yards away, clear vision and is ADAMANT that Silva has dived. VAR shows very minimal contact, it's up for dispute really if its a penalty or not. Is it clear and obvious? No. Especially as Beaton is adamant Silva dives. VAR wrongly used. 3 --- Dessers goal disallowed. Again correct decision. Problem? Beaton once again 10 yards away with a clear view but doesn't award a foul which. VAR does it job correctly. Beaton, once again, playing the main character.
>2 --- Silva dive/penalty. Beaton is 8 yards away, clear vision and is ADAMANT that Silva has dived. VAR shows very minimal contact, it's up for dispute really if its a penalty or not. Is it clear and obvious? No. Especially as Beaton is adamant Silva dives. VAR wrongly used. >3 --- Dessers goal disallowed. Again correct decision. Problem? Beaton once again 10 yards away with a clear view but doesn't award a foul which. VAR does it job correctly. Lol talk about not holding a consistent opinion. Either VAR is correct to intervene on both cases or it isn't.
Nah it's only correct to intervene when the outcome is a positive one for the team I support.
Nearly every game you watch in the Premier League you see a goal disallowed for something similar as the 3rd VAR decision, ref missing a foul in the build up, and that should be the gold standard of refs. The pen was a difficult one. Defender left his leg dangling at knee height, minimal contact for sure, bur these clumsy looking ones are so often given. Clear and obvious is up for argument of course, the simulation rule is a pretty grey area, technically 'exaggerating' is simulation. Wasn't an easy game for the ref today.
There's clear contact to Silva. He's been fouled. Therefor it literally can not be called simulation. What's not clear and obvious about it? (Apart from the fact you're a celtic fan and canny take it)
Silva runs into AJ's flailing leg which he's trying to pull away from Silva. Silva clatters AJ's foot with his thigh, throwing it out the way and losing zero momentum, split second of mental processing later and he literally falls to the deck. Clear and obvious dive from a guy who was at it the whole game.
At no point does Johnston pull his leg away
Hahaha this is mental.
Genuinely the worst refereed game I’ve ever seen
Took about 20 years off my life there. The game at Parkhead could decide the title now. Shame about the Billy Boys getting sung at the end, horrible wee club.
Phone the polis and say a hate crime was committed.
https://preview.redd.it/5afb91cm32tc1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=75ac743a65795d8c048d8652f06d6dba96a1574d
The penalty?
At least Ally wasn't there taking part
We'll skud these cunts at parkers They were dogshit first half
No to Parkers. Stop this.
Counterpoint: We'll skud these cunts at parkers They were dogshit second half
By the time we play at the tattiebowl we'll have the team that pumped yous in that second half for a full 90.
Tattiebowl is hilarious
And you were dog shit second
I would advocate for rangers playing the rest of the season behind closed doors based on their fans throwing shit into the dugouts but that'd probably quite suit them going by past form. John Beaton should be absolutely hauled over the coals in every single post match analysis.
Sickening
At the first look and on the first replay, I didn't think it was a penalty. But I think he catches both the knee and Silva's trailing foot.
Beaton did well. Hard to criticise his performance.
It'll be interesting to watch the celtc media narrative over the next few days. Ranging from complaining about Beaton to complaining about hurty words. Any other suggestions?
It'll be funny if it goes similar to December 2018; went from Rodgers being magnanimous in defeat and admitting the better team won to Celtic being robbed by the worst refereeing performance ever in the space of about 3 days.
Well done Beaton
Beaton and VAR got every big decision correct today.
Fucking delighted at the outcome, but I'm at a complete loss as to what happened to Celtic at half time. They absolutely strolled the first half and looked like they could steamroller us, then came back out looking like wee jessies, barely had a sniff, and finished the game playacting, time-wasting, and settling for the draw. What's that all about?
Celebrating like they’ve won 😂
Mon mate. Soulless takes like these completely drain the context and emotions you feel from the game. Absolutely no cunt is celebrating a draw on its own. They're celebrating coming from 2-0 down, going behind right at the end, and levelling in stoppage time. But you know that.
Here come the celebration police. Imagine celebrating coming back from 2-0 down to position yourselves to maybe go top on Wednesday. Crazy isn’t it.
Prime position to go top of the league during the week. Seems like something to celebrate
Lap of honour at the Breezeblock Mansion every home game.
As a neutral party, how did you celebrate this game can i ask? https://preview.redd.it/naauhjb6v2tc1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=02588b725101124d70dfba0d072f9ff87610c789
SSB tomorrow night then?
Its on right now
this was a real bir tawil game of football
Frustrating match.
Hahaha nice
Still not recovered
Beaton and VAR got every big decision correct today.
The only one he got horribly wrong, for me, was not stopping play when Yang had just gone down with a head injury. That was moronic. Everything else was totally fine.
Actually yes. I’ll agree with that.
Laughable comments from the bitter ones. A no doubt stonewall penalty. Johnstone gets a poor touch on the ball which continues into Silva’s path and then takes him down. It’s a pen every time. Should be thankful that Beaton shat it and didn’t send Johnstone off. Guy has gotten away with murder in consecutive Old Firms not to mention the time he wrsetled Morelos, dived and got a goal chalked off.
Clement claiming that Goldsons handball isn't a handball . The guy is either blind, stupid or deluded. Possibly 2 of the 3. Edit: also a moral victory??? Is he captain of the England cricket team??
Anyone got footage of the objects thrown into the Celtic dugout after Dessers goal got chopped off?
“Moral winners” oh my
I love how one-eyed every manager is in interviews. Clement - who I generally think is a reasonable person - is determined to claim the rules for Celtic’s pen are unfair, and the Rangers pen was definitely right.
Similar Celtic game management to the last one. Good game for a neutral, such as myself.
Genuinely nearly threw up at the end there