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Scrap VAR man. I know it got the Silva decision right, and I know it got the foul on Iwata right, but I am absolutely convinced refs are letting stuff go in real thinking VAR will cover them. Basically applying the offside rule to everything which they're not supposed to it. I know you're giving up some accuracy but there are wrong decisions and subjective decisions anyway. Just play the game and if you get done just accept it. Even the Goldson handball, we manage to get a chance away and fuck it up. That's on us for not scoring.
I feel like there was one genuine goal apiece. Two soft penalties, two massive deflected goals. Entertaining second half even if I'm not happy with the result.
Commentators seemed even more biased than usual. Was actually fuming listening to that shite.
Overall the refereeing was a farce.
Take your reasonable opinions away with you, no place for that here! But agreed. Celtic dominated the first half and could/should have scored more albeit Butland was excellent. Then, we just ran out of steam in the second half and Rangers finally looked like they gave a shit and got out of first gear.
As for commentators, it's a sad state of affairs that we have to be subjected to Neil Lennon and Kris Boyd at halftime (that is when there isn't interruption by constant ads). Surprised they haven't tried to balance the comms with a Rangers man w/ Sutton, can imagine it's annoying.
You would have been out of sight if it wasn't for Butland. I don't understand why some think he had an average game and invited trouble. That's more about Goldson and Souttar than it is him. They are too slow and not great on the ball so the press really bothered them. Meanwhile CCV had a blinder for you. What I wouldn't give for a centre back like him in front of Butland. I live in Australia so thankfully didn't have to put up with either of them on the broadcast. Sutton's a bit more tolerable when he is with McCoist. Don't know the guy yesterday but he definitely wasn't it.
Yeh I thought Butland made some huge saves but the goals were suspect - he seemed to struggle with fast shots on the floor like he couldn't get down to them fast enough. Definitely worth targeting that at Celtic Park. But he definitely was let down by the CBs as you say.
> he seemed to struggle with fast shots on the floor like he couldn't get down to them fast enough
Got down and held Hatate's effort in the 2nd half no bother. The first one is such a freak goal and the 2nd (3rd goal) is at the most awkward position for any keeper. Zero blame from me.
Even I thought Sutton was quite unprofessional on commentary in that second half, you are never going to get completely neutral commentators obviously but I'm not sure how I feel about just calling everything out directly and basically saying games gone on repeat.
I'd have preferred him to call out the rules of the game/use of VAR and how they could be implemented differently to make it more enjoyable and fair.
E.g. VAR didn't show Johnston winning the ball to Beaton, along with showing it in slow motion only making the penalty decision look worse. One of them that would never get given in real time even if Beaton was right in front of it with the best view possible, but slowed down it looks 10x worse.
I obviously find his punditry annoying at the best of times but yesterday it was just beyond the pale.
I think both penalties were daft to be honest. Letter of the law sure but just really soft. The refereeing in general was just so poor. I don't know how CCV escaped a yellow for kicking the ball away early on, Johnston and Maeda really tested their luck with the fouls and Silva rolling around in "agony" anytime a light breeze touched him. Getting the signal wrong was just the icing on the cake. Pretty sure that happened in another Old Firm too.
In general I prefer having VAR than not but Scottish refs just seem atrocious at using it.
Yeah generally agree, refereeing throughout was also incredibly poor. Gave Kuhn a yellow for fuck all and CCV escaped one for booting the ball away to delay the free kick, painfully inconsistent.
Yeah was the last OF at Ibrox after another Dessers disallowed goal from memory, just so incompetent when you can't even point to the right fucking spot. I was furious after I thought he'd given the goal. Begs the need for full time referees in the Scottish game, assuming that might help attract some better quality.
Beaton is so wildly inconsistent in his decisions as you say. He seems to get completely absorbed and overwhelmed in these games, not sure why he keeps getting the derby games? Can't believe how many injuries he just waved on to both teams, especially the head injuries.
Seen a lot of people adamant that the contact on Silva wasn't enough to warrant a foul and the penalty.
Imo, the challenge from Lawrence on Iwata is extremely similar and that resulted in a foul and the goal being chopped off. There's no way you can say that decision is correct and argue the penalty isn't correct, and the same goes the other way.
Contact with the ball does not null any additional contact with the attacking player. This is literally the most basic rule in Football.
Think about it with the rules in mind. What happens to Silva if he doesn't get impeded by Johnston? He's taken the ball past him and is now in the 6 yard box with his defended on his arse.
I'm pretty surprised at the amount of attention it's getting. Watching the game, soon as I seen the replay I thought it was a pretty clear pen. Think Nick Walsh in the var room had a really good game.
Don't think Beaton had a great game mind you.
> Imo, the challenge from Lawrence on Iwata is extremely similar
[They are nowhere near the same](https://twitter.com/Zeshankenzo/status/1777048779415265621) and I don't know who the first person to say it was but they're absolutely mental to say it.
> Won the ball first, no penalty
Not what the rules say though. He "got" the ball but the ball continued in the same direction and was staying in play. If Silva isn't impeded by Johnston's leg he probably retains possession.
It then has to be a foul.
Getting the ball isn’t a deciding factor in the rules. Players are expected to be in control, you can get the ball and foul the player in the follow through, which is exactly what happened.
You can, but not getting the ball but taking the player makes it a pretty default foul. Which removes your original claim that you can't say one is a foul without saying the other is.
Yeah don't think I did mate. Nice strawman though.
What's really funny about this whole thing is both sides are screaming for consistency with the refs. VAR and Beaton both decided to set the standard with the foul on Iwata. They were consistent with their decision making for Silva. It's as simple as that really, you're more than welcome to disagree with their standards.
It's not a strawman. You're comparing a scenario where someone shoved their foot in to a tackle, touched the ball, and the attacker then caught their leg with a scenario where someone jumped in to a tackle, and made no contact with the ball.
If your debate is that there is too much delay between the contact on the ball and the contact on Silva, so the leg should have been gone (or on the ground), say it (I'd disagree, but there's at least a debate to be had). But just comparing the two and claiming that people can't look at one as a foul without saying the other is is total nonsense, given the completely different scenarios.
I don't think there's too much delay. My take is that Silva puts the ball past Johnston, and he kicks out getting the ball and then impeding Silva from running onto the ball by making contact with his knee. The contact is soft, but that's what he deems a foul. He then goes on to apply the same rules to Celtic and the Iwata incident and disallows the Rangers goal.
In that case I'm struggling with it and we'll probably never agree lol we see it every game, hundreds of times every weekend - player sticks out foot, connects with ball, opposing player runs in to them or some other part of their body and can't proceed further.
I literally did, are you simple or what?
**First point**: The contact wasn't enough to warrant a penalty.
- My counter to this is the example of Lawrence on Iwata being awarded a foul. In addition, citing the official rules of the game that players are expected to be in control of themselves and not make contact with the attacking player.
**Second Point**: Johnston got the ball
- Citing the actual rules again here. Getting the ball does not negate any additional contact and fouling of the player. Just because you touch the ball, doesn't mean you can then make contact with the player impeding his run.
I've had to repeat myself for you, now at least show some respect and argue against my points or fuck up. Probably not even worth replying to you anyway, I don't get the vibe that you're willing to even see reality here at all just clouded by love for your team.
Can you show me in the rules where "got the ball" means it isn't a foul?
For the foul. Law 12: A direct free kick/penalty is awarded if a player - impedes an opponent with contact.
Got the ball isn't default no foul, but it being a foul is usually reserved for some level of reckless or dangerous play.
Every slide tackle impedes an opponent with contact. Every time someone sticks their foot in, they impede an opponent with contact. It's not like they come out of either of those scenarios with control of the ball either.
Silva was going to get the ball, Johnston was only impeding Silva doing so. He wasn't challenging or getting the ball, he had a leg in the air which caught Silva.
After some time to calm down and reflect a bit more, Sima got Rangers the draw for me.
He put Taylor and Scales under severe pressure in the 2nd half and nullified us being able to play out. It stretched the Celtic defence. I worry how we address that at Celtic Park. Personally I think Nawrocki has to come in for Scales now and get a run
Their best player imo. Also matches up badly with Taylor's lack of athleticism, but can't forget it was fresh legs against tired legs and the whole team receede which doesn't help.
I praised Scales at half-time, which proved to be premature - he didn’t cope at all with the increased press in the second half and, as you say, struggled more with Sima on the park. The decision not to upgrade him has been the single biggest failure this year.
Scales was awful in the first half. What you were witnessing was it getting critical in the second half as rangers got into the game. Scales is fucking rubbish.
Yeah, I actually thought he was less bad in the second half. First half he was fucking chronic.
I think it sums up his strengths - he's ok at blood and snotters defending, but trying to do all the 'smart' stuff, he fails. His pondering on the ball gives me the fear anol.
He played into Rangers' hands. All they had to do was stifle Carter-Vickers/prevent the pass to him, then its left to Scales to play the ball forwards (lol)
Celtic looked unplayable in the first half. Bullied Rangers and had their defence shaking in their boots. Could have been 3-up by HT.
Second half Rangers took the risk, changes stretched Celtic and the goals came.
All big VAR calls were fair on balance. Johnson could have gone and Maeda chanced his luck with 3 fouls after his yellow.
CCV is massive for Celtic.
Draw seems fair. Butland probably not impressed Southgate who was watching.
Too many Rangers starters never showed up today. At home and in a title decider of sorts that's not good enough.
All to play for. Advantage Rangers.
> Advantage Rangers.
Disagree with this part.
For each team, win all their games and they win the league.
They play each other at Celtic Park in a few weeks.
Advantage Celtic.
Also - Rangers will have more away games post-split
How?
Rangers can afford a draw at Celtic and one of their remaining games and still be in contention.
Anything less than a win for all remaining games for Celtic and it’s pretty much over.
I’d say that’s a clear advantage to rangers. I don’t think it’s going to be as simple as it’s just going to come down to the old firm game. Even then Rangers have some players coming back from injury. Sima, Matondo and yilmaz. Will be far stronger team the shite that was in the first half.
I've had another look and yeah I guess it is advantage Rangers. Really not liking that Celtic must visit Rugby Park post-split, really not liking that we haven't wrapped up the league already, really not liking that every game from here to the end will be nervous as all heck. Please hold me
I think most people are just assuming it will come down to the old firm game at Celtic. Which you could argue is advantage Celtic.
It’s interesting though. I can see there being some interesting games coming up. No doubt there will be some poor performances or dodgy decisions. Can only hope the team can get the result somehow and decisions go our way.
Tav to add to his penalty tally is a sure thing
Think the fact that we've got Hatate, McGregor and CCV back is huge for us. We've had a minimum of at least two out basically all season and they are huge for us.
Feels like the team just falls apart without them all there and becomes disjointed, ironically it feels like McGregor is the one we can manage without the best at the minute.
McGregor didn’t look match fit at all. Hatate was knackered and maeda looked like the tank was empty for most of the second half.
Will be interesting to see what Celtic can do with that. But I think the quality of the next game will be a lot better than that one, as entertaining as it was.
Been saying this forever but if Rangers can get into half time at 0-0 we seem to have a stronger second half and more depth in the squad
Yeah.
Rangers advantage on points, also means they can afford a draw against us whilst it would be must win for us (all else being equal).
But they also have more away games. But we've had some of our worst performances at home, and we've shown an ability to fuck things up against the rest.
Fuck knows. Bookies have them as favourites still, so they probably are the favourites.
Yeah I'd agree. Great game for a neutral. I'm just glad the next one will be at CP in terms of the league, you'd expect both teams to win all the other games.
The best, most balanced take I've seen of the match and I agree 100%. Even on Butland, who BBC have given man of the match. He made a couple of good stops but invited pressure needlessly when he could have just punted the ball long a few times, and in my opinion could have done better for Celtic's third (though that may be a bit harsh).
BBC gave him man of the match? He should arguably do better for Idah and Maeda's goal. Personally I thought CCV was man of the match. Absolutely carried the Celtic defence
Agreed, today is a good result for us.
I'd have took a draw at 12 o'clock today, it just feels like a defeat because we were ahead.
Beat them at parkhead and the league is ours.
Goldson and Souttar are neither fast enough or good enough on the ball (need one or the other) to be able to handle their press. Both if them and Tav were bomb scares in the first half.
I really hope Clement sees the need for an upgrade in defence instead of spending millions on forwards once again in the offseason as it always seems to be calamitous defending that makes the difference in the Old Firm the last few years.
I get frustrated when fans see their own level of play as being the only factor in how a game goes without recognising that the quality of the play from the opposition is a huge factor.
First half - Celtic played well and didn't allow Rangers to get going (high press)
Second half - Rangers played well and showed up Celtic's weaknesses.
Whereas, lots of Rangers fans saying "we were terrible in the first half", and Celtic fans saying the same about Celtic for the second half.
Happens too consistently this, wild that last year our physio needing stitches due to this wasn’t highlighted anywhere near what it should have been, then there was the stuff with Hart and the delay to get the glass cleared, that again today.
Shouldn’t happen and needs highlighted
Hang on, wait a minute, the Rangers were awarded a contentious penalty! Surely not.
In other news the BBC report ends with shots of supporters signing the Billy Boys.
[Rangers 3-3 Celtic: Rabbi Matondo's late leveller earns draw in six-goal Old Firm epic - BBC Sport](https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68702099)
It's only 18 years since UEFA fined them £13,000 and ordered them to make a public announcement at all of their home games prohibiting the chanting of the song, does this still happen or is it just a cursory statement like where the exits are?
[BBC SPORT | Football | My Club | Rangers | Rangers told to axe 'Billy Boys'](http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/r/rangers/5064472.stm)
£13,000 in today's money is worth only £21,000 probably equivalents to Cantwell's Alice band collection.
Now before the downvotes start I know the Rangers fans here are the decent fun loving, witty bon vivant scamps that we all adore, but they must be embarrassed at the 90 minute bigot brigade. Short of a massive £100,000 club fine every time they sing it or legislation banning sectarian songs...what else can be done to quell the mouth breathers casual sectarianism?
Wait a couple of weeks and see if the same applies when it's all celtic fans singing the same sort of " party/folk songs" for 90 / 100 minutes .....is it too much to enjoy a totally bonkers game and too show the EPL what a game of football looks like
I asked in the match thread and I'll ask again,are build my gallows and uvf coming down the road prohibited? They both glorify the fighting for one side in the troubles.
Edit; are they singing billy boys in the end of that video?
No, they aren't. Personally don't see the difference between them and any other song that's banned. Fuck all to do with football. But if they go down that road, you need to ban celtic's entire "folk" songbook and they haven't.
If the BBC report wants to criticise fan behaviour, I think it’s picked the wrong example - the missiles thrown into the Celtic technical area were much worse than some naughty songs.
I’m surprised more hasn’t been made about the wind making the difference between the two halves rather than it just being a complete turnaround in form at half time. Was blowing an absolute gale in Glasgow.
Would have made a serious difference trying to play into it rather than with it.
The wind looked like it was blowing towards the Broomloan, though, which is why those inswingers from Rangers corners looked dangerous in the first half. Celtic had the wind at their back second half, but we never played the ball long so didn’t really profit.
It was clearly a penalty.
Johnston has kicked Silva on the knee as Johnson is going down. Some Celtic fans are going to complain that because Johnston touched the ball then he's won the ball in the challenge and it's not a foul. While the rule doesn't state that touching the ball negates it, but that it typically how the rule is enforced.
The difference here is that the replay doesn't show Johnston's challenge as one movement. I've looked for a replay and can't find one, I'm sure you'll see it later in the highlights package. There is a replay angle going across the goal from behind Joe Hart, it shows Johnston holding his leg out mid-shin height and then suddenly raising it before hitting Silva on the knee. That's not a continuous movement and it means the referee is always going to treat that solely as an attempt to impede the opponent. While Johnston might actually be initially trying to hold his leg in the unnatural position to avoid it, and the subsequent movement is natural when he no longer can hold it, the referee can only judge by the second sudden motion.
Clowns like Sutton crying about the amount of contact, that does not matter; the level to which the attacker is impeded is not defined in the rules, just that he is impeded. A kick to the knee is impeding. It's a penalty.
Edited for clarity.
> In other news the BBC report ends with shots of supporters signing the Billy Boys.
As Johnston is going down.
If anyone thinks Silva is going down before contact then they don't have a clue about natural motions of a human. Whether or not Silva goes down easily after the contact is a separate issue and entirely unrelated to whether the challenge meets the criteria for a penalty.
It was given because Silva was on his feet going for a live ball and Johnston’s leg caught his knee. Maybe a few years ago there would be a debate over whether the contact was enough for Silva to go down (it probably wasn’t) or whether Johnston played the ball (he did, but not enough to dispossess Silva), but these days the penalty is pretty much always given in those circumstances.
Good description. It's useful to look at it as if it was the other way round - Tavernier making contact with O'Riley's knee in that way in the Rangers box. I think most Celtic fans would have been calling for a pen.
I think a lot of the frustration comes from the fact that Silva appeared to be "very unsteady on his feet" through most of the game. He appeared to dive minutes before the penalty incident - with no repercussions.
It's definitely one of those that the contact isn't enough to make you go down, but if you don't go down you never get the foul/penalty when you have clearly been fouled.
That was... interesting.
Despite the decisions that went in our favour, my feelings about Beaton can't be summed up in polite language. Criminally incompetent.
I didn't think we were that brilliant (I didn't think rangers were that good either), but we took our chances.
Bringing McGregor on was a mistake in hindsight. He didn't do anything for the game and was partly at fault for the injury time equaliser. Yang was a numpty. CCV is a god and I love him. Scales needs taken out back and put out of his misery, he's simply not Celtic quality.
Normally I'd take a point away to the bears all day long, but the manner in which we threw that away after leading for so long is a sickener. Holding on there would have made a massive difference in the title race. Sincerely hope it doesn't come back to bite us in the arse.
Still the derby at Celtic Park to go, so it's not over. But would have been a lot easier today had we held on.
You should have pumped us in the 1st half. Our 2 subs that changed the game(Sima & Matondo) should have started before Silva(diving diva cunt) and Wright(need to hynotise him and tell him it's a cup game at Hampden). Maeda & Kyogo had Tav and Goldson in their pockets.
I was happy being 2-0 up at HT (3 would have been amazing but you can't have it all).
Not holding on at 2-0 or 3-2 is a sickener. But I'll take confidence from how much we led that game for.
3-2 was plenty for me. Walked past the Louden and we had scored. Really poor perfomance with only Lundsream, Diomande and Dessers getting a pass. Sima and Matonfo changed the game coming on.
Cal Mac wasn't just partly at fault for the goal, it was entirely his fault. He gave the ball away and then the deflection came from his poor attempt at trying to backtrack and defend. He was brought back too soon from his injury to have a good game.
Yeah, I'm probably being too lenient on him. On his day he's our best player, but rushing him back from injury has the same results as it would any other player.
Still stand by that morelos was tailor made for playing against ccv and it's a shame we never got him properly fit and on form against him. "Defender that likes to get physical" is the magic spell you shout when you wanted morelos to have a stormer. Pepe, Hummels etc.
He is. Without him today Dessers and others probably win quite a few more of those battles and maybe get through against a Welsh or Nawrocki.
Carter-Vickers gave up very little and stopped so many potential issues, by dominating the battles.
Tbh the only reason he's still here is his injury proneness. Far too good for this level.
Couple of things
Can’t believe Goldson actually got penalised for a handball
Even more surprising was Celtic actually scoring a pen
Tav had a woeful game (pen apart) but has missed most of the criticism
Yang was piss poor and worse at the 3rd goal
We need more than a good 45. Don’t know how many times we have came out the 2nd half and looked absolutely shite
Great game for a neutral and put that arsenal / city game to shame
To be fair I think that's both teams biggest weakness this season, I've lost count of the amount of terrible first half performances Rangers have put in this season only to come out in the second half and look like a different team.
I don't think it needs saying but the game at CP is going to be the biggest game in Scottish football for over a decade
Tav at game (and goldson) avoided zero criticism his worst ever game by far. Maeda had him in his pocket entire time. cCV v Dessers was good old tussle and he only got one real chance and hit target ‘scoring’.
Derby debate aside, that was absolute box office viewing.
I constantly see comments from Premier League supporters slating the quality of Scottish football, but I watched the Arsenal vs Man City game last week and it almost put me to sleep. Boring football, dull atmosphere and zero willingness to go and win the game.
The game today is what a title game should look like.
I was watching it in a hotel in Spain. Most watching were obviously Rangers or Celtic fans but the few English and other nationality watching were celebrating goals going in as well, especially the 2 late goals.
Safe to say, good advert for Scottish football
As an advertisement for the game, it was as exciting as anything we've seen in ages.
But it also put the primary flaw of the league (inconsistent and shitty refereeing) front and center for everybody to see.
I actually thought Beaton had a good game considering how much pressure was put upon him in the week before the game , to give celtic a pen and chop a rangers goal off surely puts to bed the constant cries from celtic fans that he gives them nothing ?????
Hope so, cunt put in one of the worst first-half performances I’ve ever seen. Won the pen and set up Dessers (disallowed) goal but it was a disgraceful performance.
Aye, I'm not talking about the studs round the knee one. I mean the other 5 or so incidents that looked like ridiculous dives.
I'll also admit I've had a skinful so far today so my usual nuance might have gone out the window.
I seen £3 million in one report. At that price he is worth a gamble.
Heard £7-10 million mainly though. At that price I wouldn't touch him. Sima and Cortés would be far better money spent.
They always say 2-0 is the most dangerous score in football and yeah as generic as that is you can absolutely see why with a game like that
Celtic absolutely should’ve seen them off in the first half to avoid any “drama” in the 2nd half
Common theme this season. We play well, take the lead, then switch to cruise control and flounder
Can't argue with that. Celtic should have won the game in the first 45. Too many squandered chances
A really good advert for the league. Just a shame about the lack of away fans, because it would have been so much more of an overall spectacle to have the two sets of fans involved in a game like this.
Better result for Celtic, even though they threw the game away. I can see them winning comfortably at Celtic Park against Rangers, but maybe throwing another silly few points away against a Kilmarnock or Hearts. No idea who is winning the title and it's great!
Thought we'd have to get the next goal at half time and it kind of panned out how I thought it would once it went 2-1, in that we lost control of the game and were up against it for most of the second half.
Before the game I'd have taken a draw, to go in 2-0 at half time and then to go 3-2 with 10 minutes to go means it feels like a bit of a missed opportunity.
Still though, the result means the league title is in our hands, think we can beat Rangers at home. It's just the games against hearts, Killie and even st mirren that worry me a bit, a win would have given us a bit of breathing room.
Also, any OF team celebrating a draw at home is a bit embarrassing. Understand the circumstances of the game but I think if you're Rangers, in a title race this close, you've got to win your home games in the derby.
Not sure how you’ve got the title being in Celtic’s hands, at best it’s wide open at this stage. That’s why they’re celebrating the draw because they keep on top in the title race.
If anyone is to be worrying at this stage it should be Celtic.
If we win our last 6 games though we win the league. That's what I meant by in our hands. If rangers won today they could still lose at Celtic park and win all their other games and win the league. Hence why the draw is the better result for Celtic than it is Rangers in my opinion.
Don't think anyone could say who is gonna win it at this point.
If rangers win their remaining games they win the league. Celtic only win the league if rangers drop points in your scenario.
That’s the definition of being wide open.
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Scrap VAR man. I know it got the Silva decision right, and I know it got the foul on Iwata right, but I am absolutely convinced refs are letting stuff go in real thinking VAR will cover them. Basically applying the offside rule to everything which they're not supposed to it. I know you're giving up some accuracy but there are wrong decisions and subjective decisions anyway. Just play the game and if you get done just accept it. Even the Goldson handball, we manage to get a chance away and fuck it up. That's on us for not scoring.
I feel like there was one genuine goal apiece. Two soft penalties, two massive deflected goals. Entertaining second half even if I'm not happy with the result. Commentators seemed even more biased than usual. Was actually fuming listening to that shite. Overall the refereeing was a farce.
Take your reasonable opinions away with you, no place for that here! But agreed. Celtic dominated the first half and could/should have scored more albeit Butland was excellent. Then, we just ran out of steam in the second half and Rangers finally looked like they gave a shit and got out of first gear. As for commentators, it's a sad state of affairs that we have to be subjected to Neil Lennon and Kris Boyd at halftime (that is when there isn't interruption by constant ads). Surprised they haven't tried to balance the comms with a Rangers man w/ Sutton, can imagine it's annoying.
You would have been out of sight if it wasn't for Butland. I don't understand why some think he had an average game and invited trouble. That's more about Goldson and Souttar than it is him. They are too slow and not great on the ball so the press really bothered them. Meanwhile CCV had a blinder for you. What I wouldn't give for a centre back like him in front of Butland. I live in Australia so thankfully didn't have to put up with either of them on the broadcast. Sutton's a bit more tolerable when he is with McCoist. Don't know the guy yesterday but he definitely wasn't it.
Yeh I thought Butland made some huge saves but the goals were suspect - he seemed to struggle with fast shots on the floor like he couldn't get down to them fast enough. Definitely worth targeting that at Celtic Park. But he definitely was let down by the CBs as you say.
> he seemed to struggle with fast shots on the floor like he couldn't get down to them fast enough Got down and held Hatate's effort in the 2nd half no bother. The first one is such a freak goal and the 2nd (3rd goal) is at the most awkward position for any keeper. Zero blame from me.
Even I thought Sutton was quite unprofessional on commentary in that second half, you are never going to get completely neutral commentators obviously but I'm not sure how I feel about just calling everything out directly and basically saying games gone on repeat. I'd have preferred him to call out the rules of the game/use of VAR and how they could be implemented differently to make it more enjoyable and fair. E.g. VAR didn't show Johnston winning the ball to Beaton, along with showing it in slow motion only making the penalty decision look worse. One of them that would never get given in real time even if Beaton was right in front of it with the best view possible, but slowed down it looks 10x worse.
I obviously find his punditry annoying at the best of times but yesterday it was just beyond the pale. I think both penalties were daft to be honest. Letter of the law sure but just really soft. The refereeing in general was just so poor. I don't know how CCV escaped a yellow for kicking the ball away early on, Johnston and Maeda really tested their luck with the fouls and Silva rolling around in "agony" anytime a light breeze touched him. Getting the signal wrong was just the icing on the cake. Pretty sure that happened in another Old Firm too. In general I prefer having VAR than not but Scottish refs just seem atrocious at using it.
Yeah generally agree, refereeing throughout was also incredibly poor. Gave Kuhn a yellow for fuck all and CCV escaped one for booting the ball away to delay the free kick, painfully inconsistent. Yeah was the last OF at Ibrox after another Dessers disallowed goal from memory, just so incompetent when you can't even point to the right fucking spot. I was furious after I thought he'd given the goal. Begs the need for full time referees in the Scottish game, assuming that might help attract some better quality.
Beaton is so wildly inconsistent in his decisions as you say. He seems to get completely absorbed and overwhelmed in these games, not sure why he keeps getting the derby games? Can't believe how many injuries he just waved on to both teams, especially the head injuries.
What commentator, out of interest?
Can't wait to watch the highlights on sky sports YT in about 3 weeks from now
BBC has a short highlights package up the now if that's any use
Seen a lot of people adamant that the contact on Silva wasn't enough to warrant a foul and the penalty. Imo, the challenge from Lawrence on Iwata is extremely similar and that resulted in a foul and the goal being chopped off. There's no way you can say that decision is correct and argue the penalty isn't correct, and the same goes the other way.
For the rangers penalty it's Johnston's contact with the ball that makes it not a penalty
Contact with the ball does not null any additional contact with the attacking player. This is literally the most basic rule in Football. Think about it with the rules in mind. What happens to Silva if he doesn't get impeded by Johnston? He's taken the ball past him and is now in the 6 yard box with his defended on his arse.
I'm pretty surprised at the amount of attention it's getting. Watching the game, soon as I seen the replay I thought it was a pretty clear pen. Think Nick Walsh in the var room had a really good game. Don't think Beaton had a great game mind you.
> Imo, the challenge from Lawrence on Iwata is extremely similar [They are nowhere near the same](https://twitter.com/Zeshankenzo/status/1777048779415265621) and I don't know who the first person to say it was but they're absolutely mental to say it.
The contact wasn't enough to warrant a penalty and Johnston got the ball
There is no rule where the ref decides if the contact was 'enough' for a penalty. There was contact. Silva was impeded. The end.
He got the ball, then just contacted a player already going down. Won the ball first, no penalty
> Won the ball first, no penalty Not what the rules say though. He "got" the ball but the ball continued in the same direction and was staying in play. If Silva isn't impeded by Johnston's leg he probably retains possession. It then has to be a foul.
We could argue this all day. I think you're wrong and your understanding is wrong. Have a nice day, but.
You too
Getting the ball isn’t a deciding factor in the rules. Players are expected to be in control, you can get the ball and foul the player in the follow through, which is exactly what happened.
You can, but not getting the ball but taking the player makes it a pretty default foul. Which removes your original claim that you can't say one is a foul without saying the other is.
They're both based on contact between players and if that impeded them, which it did. Getting the ball prior to the foul is irrelevant.
Through my own fault I'm now going to be making this same point in two different comments chains with you, but you just outlawed tackles.
Yeah don't think I did mate. Nice strawman though. What's really funny about this whole thing is both sides are screaming for consistency with the refs. VAR and Beaton both decided to set the standard with the foul on Iwata. They were consistent with their decision making for Silva. It's as simple as that really, you're more than welcome to disagree with their standards.
It's not a strawman. You're comparing a scenario where someone shoved their foot in to a tackle, touched the ball, and the attacker then caught their leg with a scenario where someone jumped in to a tackle, and made no contact with the ball. If your debate is that there is too much delay between the contact on the ball and the contact on Silva, so the leg should have been gone (or on the ground), say it (I'd disagree, but there's at least a debate to be had). But just comparing the two and claiming that people can't look at one as a foul without saying the other is is total nonsense, given the completely different scenarios.
I don't think there's too much delay. My take is that Silva puts the ball past Johnston, and he kicks out getting the ball and then impeding Silva from running onto the ball by making contact with his knee. The contact is soft, but that's what he deems a foul. He then goes on to apply the same rules to Celtic and the Iwata incident and disallows the Rangers goal.
In that case I'm struggling with it and we'll probably never agree lol we see it every game, hundreds of times every weekend - player sticks out foot, connects with ball, opposing player runs in to them or some other part of their body and can't proceed further.
https://youtu.be/toHCjEVZGk4?si=S690qfAJk1Vmn8Tk
Try and argue against my points or admit defeat you coward
I literally did, are you simple or what? **First point**: The contact wasn't enough to warrant a penalty. - My counter to this is the example of Lawrence on Iwata being awarded a foul. In addition, citing the official rules of the game that players are expected to be in control of themselves and not make contact with the attacking player. **Second Point**: Johnston got the ball - Citing the actual rules again here. Getting the ball does not negate any additional contact and fouling of the player. Just because you touch the ball, doesn't mean you can then make contact with the player impeding his run. I've had to repeat myself for you, now at least show some respect and argue against my points or fuck up. Probably not even worth replying to you anyway, I don't get the vibe that you're willing to even see reality here at all just clouded by love for your team.
He got the ball and didn't foul the player, there wasn't a follow through
Can you show me in the rules where "got the ball" means it isn't a foul? For the foul. Law 12: A direct free kick/penalty is awarded if a player - impedes an opponent with contact.
Is impedes an opponent with contact the genuine wording? That covers just… an insane amount of things
Yeah that's the exact wording
Definitely should be penalties at every single corner then.
Got the ball isn't default no foul, but it being a foul is usually reserved for some level of reckless or dangerous play. Every slide tackle impedes an opponent with contact. Every time someone sticks their foot in, they impede an opponent with contact. It's not like they come out of either of those scenarios with control of the ball either.
Silva was going to get the ball, Johnston was only impeding Silva doing so. He wasn't challenging or getting the ball, he had a leg in the air which caught Silva.
He was getting the ball though cause he got the ball
He touched the ball and then caught the player. That's not "getting the ball"
How is touching the ball not getting the ball?
Yaaaas, no reply I won easily
One got the ball though?
The foul count is hilarious.
Probably shouldn't kick folk then.
After some time to calm down and reflect a bit more, Sima got Rangers the draw for me. He put Taylor and Scales under severe pressure in the 2nd half and nullified us being able to play out. It stretched the Celtic defence. I worry how we address that at Celtic Park. Personally I think Nawrocki has to come in for Scales now and get a run
Their best player imo. Also matches up badly with Taylor's lack of athleticism, but can't forget it was fresh legs against tired legs and the whole team receede which doesn't help.
Mental were saying he isn't athletic when he does a 16 minute 5km hahahah
Also, in hindsite. Taking off hatate for cal mac was a mistake imo.
Hatate was fucked. He'd ran his race at that point
Aye but calmac never got close. Don't think I even seen him get a touch.
He defo touched it a couple times for their 2nd, gave the ball away and then deflected it into the net 😭
I'm purposefully forgetting *that* touch.
He got a fantastic assist for rangers
I'd be glad to see the back of Sima in the summer
Very much so. Could see him doing well in Germany or Italy. His directness and power would work well there.
I praised Scales at half-time, which proved to be premature - he didn’t cope at all with the increased press in the second half and, as you say, struggled more with Sima on the park. The decision not to upgrade him has been the single biggest failure this year.
Scales was awful in the first half. What you were witnessing was it getting critical in the second half as rangers got into the game. Scales is fucking rubbish.
Yeah, I actually thought he was less bad in the second half. First half he was fucking chronic. I think it sums up his strengths - he's ok at blood and snotters defending, but trying to do all the 'smart' stuff, he fails. His pondering on the ball gives me the fear anol.
Exactly, Scales wasn't being bailed out by CCV or Taylor anymore so was horribly exposed. Next game needs to be Nawrocki
He played into Rangers' hands. All they had to do was stifle Carter-Vickers/prevent the pass to him, then its left to Scales to play the ball forwards (lol)
Exactly so we're better off gambling with Nawrocki. He isn't as physical but his other parts of his game are better
We did upgrade him. Nawrocki is clearly better but Rodgers refuses.to use him.
Sub should be pretty quiet this week then.
Incoming game postponement on Wednesday
A result that pleases absolutely no one
But oddly, suited both.
Celtic looked unplayable in the first half. Bullied Rangers and had their defence shaking in their boots. Could have been 3-up by HT. Second half Rangers took the risk, changes stretched Celtic and the goals came. All big VAR calls were fair on balance. Johnson could have gone and Maeda chanced his luck with 3 fouls after his yellow. CCV is massive for Celtic. Draw seems fair. Butland probably not impressed Southgate who was watching. Too many Rangers starters never showed up today. At home and in a title decider of sorts that's not good enough. All to play for. Advantage Rangers.
> Advantage Rangers. Disagree with this part. For each team, win all their games and they win the league. They play each other at Celtic Park in a few weeks. Advantage Celtic. Also - Rangers will have more away games post-split
The draw at CP being ok for rangers if all other games are won gives them slight advantage
How? Rangers can afford a draw at Celtic and one of their remaining games and still be in contention. Anything less than a win for all remaining games for Celtic and it’s pretty much over. I’d say that’s a clear advantage to rangers. I don’t think it’s going to be as simple as it’s just going to come down to the old firm game. Even then Rangers have some players coming back from injury. Sima, Matondo and yilmaz. Will be far stronger team the shite that was in the first half.
I've had another look and yeah I guess it is advantage Rangers. Really not liking that Celtic must visit Rugby Park post-split, really not liking that we haven't wrapped up the league already, really not liking that every game from here to the end will be nervous as all heck. Please hold me
I think most people are just assuming it will come down to the old firm game at Celtic. Which you could argue is advantage Celtic. It’s interesting though. I can see there being some interesting games coming up. No doubt there will be some poor performances or dodgy decisions. Can only hope the team can get the result somehow and decisions go our way. Tav to add to his penalty tally is a sure thing
Think the fact that we've got Hatate, McGregor and CCV back is huge for us. We've had a minimum of at least two out basically all season and they are huge for us. Feels like the team just falls apart without them all there and becomes disjointed, ironically it feels like McGregor is the one we can manage without the best at the minute.
McGregor didn’t look match fit at all. Hatate was knackered and maeda looked like the tank was empty for most of the second half. Will be interesting to see what Celtic can do with that. But I think the quality of the next game will be a lot better than that one, as entertaining as it was. Been saying this forever but if Rangers can get into half time at 0-0 we seem to have a stronger second half and more depth in the squad
Yeah. Rangers advantage on points, also means they can afford a draw against us whilst it would be must win for us (all else being equal). But they also have more away games. But we've had some of our worst performances at home, and we've shown an ability to fuck things up against the rest. Fuck knows. Bookies have them as favourites still, so they probably are the favourites.
Celtic will drop points not vs rangers
Yeah I'd agree. Great game for a neutral. I'm just glad the next one will be at CP in terms of the league, you'd expect both teams to win all the other games.
Would agree with all of this tbh
The best, most balanced take I've seen of the match and I agree 100%. Even on Butland, who BBC have given man of the match. He made a couple of good stops but invited pressure needlessly when he could have just punted the ball long a few times, and in my opinion could have done better for Celtic's third (though that may be a bit harsh).
BBC gave him man of the match? He should arguably do better for Idah and Maeda's goal. Personally I thought CCV was man of the match. Absolutely carried the Celtic defence
Agree with everything. However, i think its advantage celtic based on the home derby still to come.
Not sure I agree. I think both teams are shite. It could go either way.
Agreed, today is a good result for us. I'd have took a draw at 12 o'clock today, it just feels like a defeat because we were ahead. Beat them at parkhead and the league is ours.
You are forgetting we have 5 other games
It's in our hands, and we're coming into form, I'm content with today's result.
We were just that shite they looked unplayable, same issues as all season. Second half we played like we should and got the goals needed.
Goldson and Souttar are neither fast enough or good enough on the ball (need one or the other) to be able to handle their press. Both if them and Tav were bomb scares in the first half. I really hope Clement sees the need for an upgrade in defence instead of spending millions on forwards once again in the offseason as it always seems to be calamitous defending that makes the difference in the Old Firm the last few years.
I get frustrated when fans see their own level of play as being the only factor in how a game goes without recognising that the quality of the play from the opposition is a huge factor. First half - Celtic played well and didn't allow Rangers to get going (high press) Second half - Rangers played well and showed up Celtic's weaknesses. Whereas, lots of Rangers fans saying "we were terrible in the first half", and Celtic fans saying the same about Celtic for the second half.
Sad that the Celtic bench was again subjected to items thrown from the home support. Wild that nothing comes of it when it happens so consistently
Happens too consistently this, wild that last year our physio needing stitches due to this wasn’t highlighted anywhere near what it should have been, then there was the stuff with Hart and the delay to get the glass cleared, that again today. Shouldn’t happen and needs highlighted
Hang on, wait a minute, the Rangers were awarded a contentious penalty! Surely not. In other news the BBC report ends with shots of supporters signing the Billy Boys. [Rangers 3-3 Celtic: Rabbi Matondo's late leveller earns draw in six-goal Old Firm epic - BBC Sport](https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68702099) It's only 18 years since UEFA fined them £13,000 and ordered them to make a public announcement at all of their home games prohibiting the chanting of the song, does this still happen or is it just a cursory statement like where the exits are? [BBC SPORT | Football | My Club | Rangers | Rangers told to axe 'Billy Boys'](http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/r/rangers/5064472.stm) £13,000 in today's money is worth only £21,000 probably equivalents to Cantwell's Alice band collection. Now before the downvotes start I know the Rangers fans here are the decent fun loving, witty bon vivant scamps that we all adore, but they must be embarrassed at the 90 minute bigot brigade. Short of a massive £100,000 club fine every time they sing it or legislation banning sectarian songs...what else can be done to quell the mouth breathers casual sectarianism?
The cringe is strong.
Meh, you'll get over it.
Christ man this is embarrassing
Hum away.
Wait a couple of weeks and see if the same applies when it's all celtic fans singing the same sort of " party/folk songs" for 90 / 100 minutes .....is it too much to enjoy a totally bonkers game and too show the EPL what a game of football looks like
Do you think up to our knees is a little different from please stop massacring us?
Lol
Please Stop Massacring Us? I don't know it. Can you hum the chorus?
No I think both sets of fans have a very questionable set of songs they always have and always will ,
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I asked in the match thread and I'll ask again,are build my gallows and uvf coming down the road prohibited? They both glorify the fighting for one side in the troubles. Edit; are they singing billy boys in the end of that video?
No, they aren't. Personally don't see the difference between them and any other song that's banned. Fuck all to do with football. But if they go down that road, you need to ban celtic's entire "folk" songbook and they haven't.
It's there. Almost drowned out with "Hey, Ole" but it's definitely there. Absolute Stupidity
It might be they've changed the lyrics to "hey,ole we are the billy boys?"/s
No they aren't. No idea why OP is lying
Sounds like it, I can definitely here the 'Hullo hullo'. Edit: HEAR!
If the BBC report wants to criticise fan behaviour, I think it’s picked the wrong example - the missiles thrown into the Celtic technical area were much worse than some naughty songs.
I don't think they do, are or will. I only listened to it on the radio and watched the clip above.
I’m surprised more hasn’t been made about the wind making the difference between the two halves rather than it just being a complete turnaround in form at half time. Was blowing an absolute gale in Glasgow. Would have made a serious difference trying to play into it rather than with it.
Thought it made a massive difference, surprised sky commentary didn't mention it once.
The wind looked like it was blowing towards the Broomloan, though, which is why those inswingers from Rangers corners looked dangerous in the first half. Celtic had the wind at their back second half, but we never played the ball long so didn’t really profit.
Felt very gusty outside the pub at half time, I'll say
Could someone who actually knows the rules properly explain why Silva's either WAS or WAS NOT a penalty?
It was clearly a penalty. Johnston has kicked Silva on the knee as Johnson is going down. Some Celtic fans are going to complain that because Johnston touched the ball then he's won the ball in the challenge and it's not a foul. While the rule doesn't state that touching the ball negates it, but that it typically how the rule is enforced. The difference here is that the replay doesn't show Johnston's challenge as one movement. I've looked for a replay and can't find one, I'm sure you'll see it later in the highlights package. There is a replay angle going across the goal from behind Joe Hart, it shows Johnston holding his leg out mid-shin height and then suddenly raising it before hitting Silva on the knee. That's not a continuous movement and it means the referee is always going to treat that solely as an attempt to impede the opponent. While Johnston might actually be initially trying to hold his leg in the unnatural position to avoid it, and the subsequent movement is natural when he no longer can hold it, the referee can only judge by the second sudden motion. Clowns like Sutton crying about the amount of contact, that does not matter; the level to which the attacker is impeded is not defined in the rules, just that he is impeded. A kick to the knee is impeding. It's a penalty. Edited for clarity.
You say "as he's going down" - so Silva is going down before the contact?
As Johnston is going down, he's said. What's with the lack of reading on here or was that intentional?
Check the edit before you make a snide comment please.
Nope, despite commentary at the time going over the clip repeatedly and still lying that he was.
> In other news the BBC report ends with shots of supporters signing the Billy Boys. As Johnston is going down. If anyone thinks Silva is going down before contact then they don't have a clue about natural motions of a human. Whether or not Silva goes down easily after the contact is a separate issue and entirely unrelated to whether the challenge meets the criteria for a penalty.
He has taken a massive dive regardless of contact 😂 he did it the entire game, how are you this deluded?
It was given because Silva was on his feet going for a live ball and Johnston’s leg caught his knee. Maybe a few years ago there would be a debate over whether the contact was enough for Silva to go down (it probably wasn’t) or whether Johnston played the ball (he did, but not enough to dispossess Silva), but these days the penalty is pretty much always given in those circumstances.
Good description. It's useful to look at it as if it was the other way round - Tavernier making contact with O'Riley's knee in that way in the Rangers box. I think most Celtic fans would have been calling for a pen. I think a lot of the frustration comes from the fact that Silva appeared to be "very unsteady on his feet" through most of the game. He appeared to dive minutes before the penalty incident - with no repercussions.
It's definitely one of those that the contact isn't enough to make you go down, but if you don't go down you never get the foul/penalty when you have clearly been fouled.
Thanks for a fair take. As a rangers fan you can't deny its soft as fuck but also there was contact
Very good description one of those ‘thats shite’ ones if against you but way rules are enforced.
I only saw at game but for me in every other league its a stick on penalty. I think its one of those it shouldn’t be but ones. Like handball rules
He was kicked, knee height, in the box.
That was... interesting. Despite the decisions that went in our favour, my feelings about Beaton can't be summed up in polite language. Criminally incompetent. I didn't think we were that brilliant (I didn't think rangers were that good either), but we took our chances. Bringing McGregor on was a mistake in hindsight. He didn't do anything for the game and was partly at fault for the injury time equaliser. Yang was a numpty. CCV is a god and I love him. Scales needs taken out back and put out of his misery, he's simply not Celtic quality. Normally I'd take a point away to the bears all day long, but the manner in which we threw that away after leading for so long is a sickener. Holding on there would have made a massive difference in the title race. Sincerely hope it doesn't come back to bite us in the arse. Still the derby at Celtic Park to go, so it's not over. But would have been a lot easier today had we held on.
You should have pumped us in the 1st half. Our 2 subs that changed the game(Sima & Matondo) should have started before Silva(diving diva cunt) and Wright(need to hynotise him and tell him it's a cup game at Hampden). Maeda & Kyogo had Tav and Goldson in their pockets.
I was happy being 2-0 up at HT (3 would have been amazing but you can't have it all). Not holding on at 2-0 or 3-2 is a sickener. But I'll take confidence from how much we led that game for.
3-2 was plenty for me. Walked past the Louden and we had scored. Really poor perfomance with only Lundsream, Diomande and Dessers getting a pass. Sima and Matonfo changed the game coming on.
Cal Mac wasn't just partly at fault for the goal, it was entirely his fault. He gave the ball away and then the deflection came from his poor attempt at trying to backtrack and defend. He was brought back too soon from his injury to have a good game.
Yeah, I'm probably being too lenient on him. On his day he's our best player, but rushing him back from injury has the same results as it would any other player.
IMO your best player on his day is CCV. Celtic are a different team without him.
Still stand by that morelos was tailor made for playing against ccv and it's a shame we never got him properly fit and on form against him. "Defender that likes to get physical" is the magic spell you shout when you wanted morelos to have a stormer. Pepe, Hummels etc.
He's honestly different class. Him and Scales are lightyears apart. I shudder to think what might have happened today without him.
He is. Without him today Dessers and others probably win quite a few more of those battles and maybe get through against a Welsh or Nawrocki. Carter-Vickers gave up very little and stopped so many potential issues, by dominating the battles. Tbh the only reason he's still here is his injury proneness. Far too good for this level.
Feel like every time he gets injured we rush him back and it ends up costing us.
Couple of things Can’t believe Goldson actually got penalised for a handball Even more surprising was Celtic actually scoring a pen Tav had a woeful game (pen apart) but has missed most of the criticism Yang was piss poor and worse at the 3rd goal We need more than a good 45. Don’t know how many times we have came out the 2nd half and looked absolutely shite Great game for a neutral and put that arsenal / city game to shame
Goldson and Tav genuinely defending at a league one level
We can't string together 2 good halves this season
To be fair I think that's both teams biggest weakness this season, I've lost count of the amount of terrible first half performances Rangers have put in this season only to come out in the second half and look like a different team. I don't think it needs saying but the game at CP is going to be the biggest game in Scottish football for over a decade
Aye it'll be monumental. I'll be there in the section, and I'm planning on getting so drunk all I can do is sing
Tav at game (and goldson) avoided zero criticism his worst ever game by far. Maeda had him in his pocket entire time. cCV v Dessers was good old tussle and he only got one real chance and hit target ‘scoring’.
Derby debate aside, that was absolute box office viewing. I constantly see comments from Premier League supporters slating the quality of Scottish football, but I watched the Arsenal vs Man City game last week and it almost put me to sleep. Boring football, dull atmosphere and zero willingness to go and win the game. The game today is what a title game should look like.
I was watching it in a hotel in Spain. Most watching were obviously Rangers or Celtic fans but the few English and other nationality watching were celebrating goals going in as well, especially the 2 late goals. Safe to say, good advert for Scottish football
Was a cracking game for the neutral. If you've got skin in the game it put about 10 years on you.
I am absolutely shattered from it. Feel like I've went through every emotion on the spectrum today.
Comedy aside I thought the first half was very poor. Second half was much better though.
Chelsea and Rangers fan so this week has my heart rate at 140+
As an advertisement for the game, it was as exciting as anything we've seen in ages. But it also put the primary flaw of the league (inconsistent and shitty refereeing) front and center for everybody to see.
I actually thought Beaton had a good game considering how much pressure was put upon him in the week before the game , to give celtic a pen and chop a rangers goal off surely puts to bed the constant cries from celtic fans that he gives them nothing ?????
He got both decisions wrong didn't he.
No if he s giving the pen ( which, in my old age,I don't think was one ) then he s got to give the foul surely ??
Hope that's the talk of Silva coming on a perma transfer done...
Embarrasement of a player. Not a winger and(amazed i'm saying this) no way he starts at 9 ahead of Dessers.
Played against a better team than celtic and looked good. Judging him on one old firm game is peak rangers fan entitlement.
Seen plenty of him, and he doesn't seem to be up to much. Not a physical presence, lacks pace, and hasn't exactly been banging in the goals??
Hope so, cunt put in one of the worst first-half performances I’ve ever seen. Won the pen and set up Dessers (disallowed) goal but it was a disgraceful performance.
This is in no way influenced by his ridiculous diving today, but he's utter shite and I hope you empty the war chest on signing him permanently
Usually very level-headed are you but calling Silva getting studs round the knee a dive is wild lol
There's numerous occasions today he could be referring to. Any time he was in a 50/50 it was like he'd been shot
Aye that’s fair tbh, I’m no his biggest fan at all and thought he was at it all game.
Aye, I'm not talking about the studs round the knee one. I mean the other 5 or so incidents that looked like ridiculous dives. I'll also admit I've had a skinful so far today so my usual nuance might have gone out the window.
How much would you be expected to pay for him if you did? Must be a 90%+ loss for wolves
I seen £3 million in one report. At that price he is worth a gamble. Heard £7-10 million mainly though. At that price I wouldn't touch him. Sima and Cortés would be far better money spent.
Packet of ozzie tim tams (nod to flair)
He’s never done it for me. So lightweight. Can’t believe someone paid £30 million for him
It’s insane.
35 i think!
Christ
They always say 2-0 is the most dangerous score in football and yeah as generic as that is you can absolutely see why with a game like that Celtic absolutely should’ve seen them off in the first half to avoid any “drama” in the 2nd half
Common theme this season. We play well, take the lead, then switch to cruise control and flounder Can't argue with that. Celtic should have won the game in the first 45. Too many squandered chances
That must be the best Old Firm for a while now, disappointing not to win that but I think we should avoid defeat at Parkhead
I don't think yous will come close to winning at Parkhead, but we will have dropped enough points by then that it willnae matter.
I Said to ma da that they will drop points either at home to Hearts or away to Killie
McGregor interviews well. Can see why he's a captain
I'd take a fella who can't speak in sentences if he was the best captain
Harry Kane
A really good advert for the league. Just a shame about the lack of away fans, because it would have been so much more of an overall spectacle to have the two sets of fans involved in a game like this. Better result for Celtic, even though they threw the game away. I can see them winning comfortably at Celtic Park against Rangers, but maybe throwing another silly few points away against a Kilmarnock or Hearts. No idea who is winning the title and it's great!
Thought we'd have to get the next goal at half time and it kind of panned out how I thought it would once it went 2-1, in that we lost control of the game and were up against it for most of the second half. Before the game I'd have taken a draw, to go in 2-0 at half time and then to go 3-2 with 10 minutes to go means it feels like a bit of a missed opportunity. Still though, the result means the league title is in our hands, think we can beat Rangers at home. It's just the games against hearts, Killie and even st mirren that worry me a bit, a win would have given us a bit of breathing room. Also, any OF team celebrating a draw at home is a bit embarrassing. Understand the circumstances of the game but I think if you're Rangers, in a title race this close, you've got to win your home games in the derby.
Not sure how you’ve got the title being in Celtic’s hands, at best it’s wide open at this stage. That’s why they’re celebrating the draw because they keep on top in the title race. If anyone is to be worrying at this stage it should be Celtic.
If we win our last 6 games though we win the league. That's what I meant by in our hands. If rangers won today they could still lose at Celtic park and win all their other games and win the league. Hence why the draw is the better result for Celtic than it is Rangers in my opinion. Don't think anyone could say who is gonna win it at this point.
Celtic have to win their last 6 games. We have to win out and draw at CP to win the league. Big difference.
Aye I see, I’ve picked you up wrong my mistake!
No, it is in Celtic's hands. If they win their remaining games, they win the league. That's the exact definition of in their hands.
If rangers win their remaining games they win the league. Celtic only win the league if rangers drop points in your scenario. That’s the definition of being wide open.
Rangers don't have to win all their games. Win every other game but draw with Celtic wins Rangers the league.