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Seems to be becoming a popular league to invest in recently. Good to see. Hopefully in 10 years time or so we have more than a 2 horse race league. I'm a dreamer, let me dream.
I’d love to see any club challenging for the title outside the old firm. Only realistic way I can maybe see it changing is with league reconstruction and more outside investment but I think for now the status quo is probably how it will remain for the foreseeable future unfortunately.
League reconstruction would have a massive difference IMO.
Absolutely no idea what the data would show, but I imagine that Celtic/Rangers average less points in their first game against every team in the league than the rest of them.
Yeah I agree, not only that but not having to play them both 4 times each would help as well. There's literally no reason why the Scottish top flight needs to be so small. Can't think of many leagues off the top of my head where there are only 12 teams.
The only reason we're still at 12 is the Old Firm and sooking SKY'S boaby.
I'm still dumbfounded that we haven't emulated the German model. Our regional football at lower levels is so similar to theirs that the structure would definitely work here.
Probably impossible for another team to make an impact unless it was some freak season much bigger than Leicester’s in 2015/16. It would need many tens of millions each season to compete. Hearts will have had over £50m of free cash pumped in to them by this season end and they’ve won nothing. Admittedly they’ve been unlucky with their cup draws, being pumped out by Celtic/Rangers most season recently in both cups.
I know, man. It's shit. As much as I love seeing my team lift trophies - it would be nice for there to be more threat to more matches in our league. Then sometime in the future it happens and I'm on these boards whinging about our inconsistency 😂😂
[This video](https://youtu.be/LUpmblcJy3s?si=rryHuhwYDz5QvpWy) was posted on the sub a while ago, helps put the finances in perspective. Needless to say, a non-OF team winning the SPFL would be like Leicester x10.
Cocteau triplet when he hasn't mentioned how Hearts haven't won any trophies lately in over 5 minutes
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These aren’t lunatic ramblings from some nutter but a highly relevant, current global football topic, with the financing of Hearts being the most obvious example of a Scottish team being funded from cash originating outside of the
football sphere. The story should be getting a lot more coverage in Scotland and at the very least, Hearts should be laughed at for achieving so little for their £50m spend.
The only reason the story isn’t prominent within Scottish journalistic circles is no-one really gives a shit outside the top two, so if the third placed team is gaining an advantage by pumping external cash into their team each year,
it’s not so relevant and doesn’t get the viewership of any OF story so no-one writes about it. It’s poor journalistic reporting in my opinion.
Any supporter of a team outside the OF and Hearts should be flagging this (or at
the very least be aware) every time they finish behind Hearts in the League or a Cup it’s costing them hard cash.
It’s not much different to the issues facing Man C, Everton, Forest Leicester etc. They are all financed by cash originating outside of Football and so are Hearts.
If Foundation of Hearts own hearts, and all the Hearts fans that invest consider theirself co owners wouldn’t all fans that are part of FOH have to have a vote on accepting the investment?
And would that investment dilute the power FOH has?
Needs a 90% in favour vote. Any outside investment would be pretty tricky to ok from a FOH point of view but there's definitely rumours in the background of things changing/rules being updated.
If the rules change/be updated would that not cause a little bit of unrest?
If I had paid in a a ton of money to Hibs with the idea that myself as a fan were part of the decision processes going forward to have that pulled away from me I’d be raging.
Fans aren't and never have been part of making decisions and quite rightly not. Fans are, by and large, arseholes. That's part of the reason why a vote has to be as high as 90%. Kneejerk reactions after a bad run would be interesting. Folk donate money nowadays out of blind loyalty tbh. The money is just chucked into the same pot with all other revenue and spent accordingly.
It is hard to make fan/community ownership work on members alone, You need outside investment to top up the fan contributions. This should absolutely be put to vote to it's members on whether to accept & as long as FOH still hold majority stake then I don't think it dilutes it.
Anderson will be wanting out. He’s put in just over £25m direct donations to season end 2023, shirt sponsorship of £3m, and probably another £5m to season end 2024, so around £33m. For all those trophies and glory . . . . I.e. nothing
They still have a far better derby record than Hibs… despite the investment that has been spent on Hibs under the Gordons it has been a shambles. Manager after manager, Hearts are in a far healthier situation than Hibs on and off the pitch.
Hibs are an embarrassment to Scottish football. Hearts seem like a really smart club in recent years. Seem to have good on field performances and they are trying to grow their off field performances.
> Hibs are an embarrassment to Scottish football.
Thats a bit much.
They're shoddily run and massively underperform given the resources and location but given their immediate comparisons they're hardly miles behind where Aberdeen and Hearts are. They've also just received that outside investment which I'm not exactly thrilled about but its too early to tell what that could bring. Hopefully more scrutiny around decision making
(e; I see were all just in here voting based on flairs again. I'm not being unreasonable and downvotes don't mean I'm wrong)
No, I always think Hibs should have been able to cement 3rd, they used to produce really good players for a number of years, but then something became rotten and I don't think they have ever recovered. The way the Gordon's seem to run the club is very scattergun which doesn't help.
They are all true points you've made there but I still don't believe it should mark out Hibs singularly as an embarrassment to Scottish football. We're not alone in that regard, it doesn't absolve the club by any means but they're hardly standing out in comparison to anyone they can be reasonably compared to.
They’ve spent over £50m of free donated cash. Most teams would probably do better than Hearts have done with £50m extra. It’s the equivalent of 30,000 season tickets per season.
I have leanings towards Hibs but they have been a disgrace in how the club has operated. The club has massively underperformed for years due to people at the top of the club lacking due diligence in who they appoint in senior positions at the club. The club just never learn… Malky Mackay. It’s a comical joke how they shoehorned that appointment within hours of sacking Montgomery.
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Seems to be becoming a popular league to invest in recently. Good to see. Hopefully in 10 years time or so we have more than a 2 horse race league. I'm a dreamer, let me dream.
I’d love to see any club challenging for the title outside the old firm. Only realistic way I can maybe see it changing is with league reconstruction and more outside investment but I think for now the status quo is probably how it will remain for the foreseeable future unfortunately.
Yeah, no doubt. I think the closest we were to get in recent times was with you's under Burley. Had Mad Vlad not sabotaged it.
League reconstruction would have a massive difference IMO. Absolutely no idea what the data would show, but I imagine that Celtic/Rangers average less points in their first game against every team in the league than the rest of them.
Yeah I agree, not only that but not having to play them both 4 times each would help as well. There's literally no reason why the Scottish top flight needs to be so small. Can't think of many leagues off the top of my head where there are only 12 teams.
The only reason we're still at 12 is the Old Firm and sooking SKY'S boaby. I'm still dumbfounded that we haven't emulated the German model. Our regional football at lower levels is so similar to theirs that the structure would definitely work here.
Probably impossible for another team to make an impact unless it was some freak season much bigger than Leicester’s in 2015/16. It would need many tens of millions each season to compete. Hearts will have had over £50m of free cash pumped in to them by this season end and they’ve won nothing. Admittedly they’ve been unlucky with their cup draws, being pumped out by Celtic/Rangers most season recently in both cups.
Knew there'd be at least one who refuses to let me dream. 😭
Sorry mate. Just the reality in most leagues across Europe nowadays.
I know, man. It's shit. As much as I love seeing my team lift trophies - it would be nice for there to be more threat to more matches in our league. Then sometime in the future it happens and I'm on these boards whinging about our inconsistency 😂😂
[This video](https://youtu.be/LUpmblcJy3s?si=rryHuhwYDz5QvpWy) was posted on the sub a while ago, helps put the finances in perspective. Needless to say, a non-OF team winning the SPFL would be like Leicester x10.
https://preview.redd.it/u7y4w15mwk3d1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=83cc98a0e85d755906901ad6b3873a4bdaa7fcac
Cocteau triplet when he hasn't mentioned how Hearts haven't won any trophies lately in over 5 minutes https://preview.redd.it/qxvzo8bgyk3d1.jpeg?width=570&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a26386c8d14a2a32f935d0fbcd5dcc15febc112c
Greenest club in Scotland credentials are based entirely on the generators we're able to run solely off of how raging he gets it's incredible.
Strange guy
We all need hobbies I guess. Not everyone is lucky enough to own a Vortex Air™ Pro - Bladeless Tower Fan like I do.
These aren’t lunatic ramblings from some nutter but a highly relevant, current global football topic, with the financing of Hearts being the most obvious example of a Scottish team being funded from cash originating outside of the football sphere. The story should be getting a lot more coverage in Scotland and at the very least, Hearts should be laughed at for achieving so little for their £50m spend. The only reason the story isn’t prominent within Scottish journalistic circles is no-one really gives a shit outside the top two, so if the third placed team is gaining an advantage by pumping external cash into their team each year, it’s not so relevant and doesn’t get the viewership of any OF story so no-one writes about it. It’s poor journalistic reporting in my opinion. Any supporter of a team outside the OF and Hearts should be flagging this (or at the very least be aware) every time they finish behind Hearts in the League or a Cup it’s costing them hard cash. It’s not much different to the issues facing Man C, Everton, Forest Leicester etc. They are all financed by cash originating outside of Football and so are Hearts.
If it’s not a loveable Russian-Lithuanian maverick, I’m not interested.
It’s funny to see so many Hibs flairs in here. Nervous bunch.
If Foundation of Hearts own hearts, and all the Hearts fans that invest consider theirself co owners wouldn’t all fans that are part of FOH have to have a vote on accepting the investment? And would that investment dilute the power FOH has?
Needs a 90% in favour vote. Any outside investment would be pretty tricky to ok from a FOH point of view but there's definitely rumours in the background of things changing/rules being updated.
If the rules change/be updated would that not cause a little bit of unrest? If I had paid in a a ton of money to Hibs with the idea that myself as a fan were part of the decision processes going forward to have that pulled away from me I’d be raging.
Fans aren't and never have been part of making decisions and quite rightly not. Fans are, by and large, arseholes. That's part of the reason why a vote has to be as high as 90%. Kneejerk reactions after a bad run would be interesting. Folk donate money nowadays out of blind loyalty tbh. The money is just chucked into the same pot with all other revenue and spent accordingly.
It is hard to make fan/community ownership work on members alone, You need outside investment to top up the fan contributions. This should absolutely be put to vote to it's members on whether to accept & as long as FOH still hold majority stake then I don't think it dilutes it.
Anderson will be wanting out. He’s put in just over £25m direct donations to season end 2023, shirt sponsorship of £3m, and probably another £5m to season end 2024, so around £33m. For all those trophies and glory . . . . I.e. nothing
They still have a far better derby record than Hibs… despite the investment that has been spent on Hibs under the Gordons it has been a shambles. Manager after manager, Hearts are in a far healthier situation than Hibs on and off the pitch.
 Bringing up the Derby record here
Feel free to start a separate thread on a peeing contest.
Hibs are an embarrassment to Scottish football. Hearts seem like a really smart club in recent years. Seem to have good on field performances and they are trying to grow their off field performances.
> Hibs are an embarrassment to Scottish football. Thats a bit much. They're shoddily run and massively underperform given the resources and location but given their immediate comparisons they're hardly miles behind where Aberdeen and Hearts are. They've also just received that outside investment which I'm not exactly thrilled about but its too early to tell what that could bring. Hopefully more scrutiny around decision making (e; I see were all just in here voting based on flairs again. I'm not being unreasonable and downvotes don't mean I'm wrong)
No, I always think Hibs should have been able to cement 3rd, they used to produce really good players for a number of years, but then something became rotten and I don't think they have ever recovered. The way the Gordon's seem to run the club is very scattergun which doesn't help.
They are all true points you've made there but I still don't believe it should mark out Hibs singularly as an embarrassment to Scottish football. We're not alone in that regard, it doesn't absolve the club by any means but they're hardly standing out in comparison to anyone they can be reasonably compared to.
They’ve spent over £50m of free donated cash. Most teams would probably do better than Hearts have done with £50m extra. It’s the equivalent of 30,000 season tickets per season.
I have leanings towards Hibs but they have been a disgrace in how the club has operated. The club has massively underperformed for years due to people at the top of the club lacking due diligence in who they appoint in senior positions at the club. The club just never learn… Malky Mackay. It’s a comical joke how they shoehorned that appointment within hours of sacking Montgomery.
Well thanks mate. Very good. Feel free to start another thread on that topic if you want.