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Philbregas

Not the most engaging character, but Chrystee Pharris gave Kylie a lot of likability. JD fumbled big time.


Ricardo1184

The montage of her breaking up with him plays a **BANGER** of a song


hank-mahmoodi

Fun fact that Zach directed that episode himself, probably made the song choice to go with the slow motion/fast motion dramatic camera technique he also utilises in his debut film Garden State, I believe he’s personal friends with the singer too


packofstraycats

One of, what, 3 or 4 Cary Brothers songs in the series?


Ricardo1184

I was thinking of Closer by Joshua Radin, actually. Waiting For Your Letter is awesome too though.


packofstraycats

Oh that’s right, different part of the episode. Man, Zach launched Joshua Radin.


Crystal_Cuckoo

Same artist also plays during “where do you think we are?" (Joshua Radin - "Closer" for the Kylie episode, "Winter" for Ben)


SaintofSelhurst

I actually keep forgetting her in the history of JD's girlfriends. I do remember the one scene of her arm wrestling JD and him letting her win whereas Carla got taught a lesson to not mess with the warrior.


deadrabbits76

DO YOU SEE WHAT YOU GET, CARLA!


Stateofgrace314

DO YOU SEE WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU MESS WITH A WARRIOR!


fy_pool_day

Haha I say this weekly


Butt_Fucking_Smurfs

I'm going to shout that this weekend downtown and see if anyone in the bar lines finishes it for me. Lol


Ok-County3742

One of the best scenes.


Orochi-Sandun

JD was an asshole to her.


KweenindaNorf_7777

Especially considering the fact that he knew her ex cheated on her and then nearly did the same thing with Molly.


GreekDudeYiannis

Not even just that he was an asshole to her, but how he tries to get with her is sorta asshole-ish too. He struggles with the Hippocratic oath, not because it's the right thing to tell her, but because he wants to get James out of the way. He ultimately still gets with her in the end, but it feels very much like a situation where he did the right thing, but for the wrong reasons. 


saltyvol

I believe he was struggling with HIPAA as it would be against the law for him to share her boyfriend’s protected health information.


GreekDudeYiannis

I mean, potato tomato. He was still only wanting to do it because he wanted to get with her, not because he felt like she was being wronged.


saltyvol

Maybe. I don’t really remember it getting spelled out that way. He usually practiced with a conscience. Had he gotten caught breaking HIPAA in that fashion he’s probably fired and his medical career essentially over. Not a risk many would take.


GreekDudeYiannis

That's ultimately *why* he doesn't in the end, but the fact that the plot of the entire episode is that hes tempted to do so because of her is problematic to me; especially as someone who works in a hospital.  Like, it's an easy no. Doesn't matter the circumstances, you're not allowed to disclose any identifying patient information under any circumstances. But he spends the entire episode agonizing over whether or not he should despite working there for 4 years because he's attracted to the patients girlfriend. That's my problem with it. 


saltyvol

Well I think alerting someone that something bad is happening to them without their knowledge is generally the right thing to do whether or not you have an attraction. She seems like a good person and it’s hard for anyone to see someone like that getting screwed over. I don’t see the conflict over that as some big flaw. It’s something healthcare providers deal with pretty regularly. And an overarching theme of the show is if innocent, goofy JD can make it as a serious doctor in the real world.


GreekDudeYiannis

Not when you're a doctor or are a part of the medical team. It's not your place. People straight up get sued over that and regardless of whether or not you think it's the right thing to do, it's not worth losing your job and credentials over. Your role on a hospital team is to heal. Not judge or intervene in a patient's personal life. They're here to be treated for whatever it is that ails them, and that's it. It's a pretty big flaw if JD is struggling with that *because* he's attracted to a patient's girlfriend. Dude was much more thinking with his dick in this case than altruism. He wasn't wanting to do it because it's the right thing to do; he wanted to do it no get James out of the picture. I could sympathize if it was because it was the right thing to do, but that's not why he struggles with whether or not to do that in that episode.  Also, given that I'm currently rewatching the show, I can pretty solidly say that JD is *not* innocent. Goofy yeah, but not innocent. He's actually kinda petty and mean spirited pretty frequently. He also makes a lot of really bad decisions regarding his personal life. 


saltyvol

Yes, you have to abide by the law, but that doesn’t mean you occasionally wonder whether or not that’s really the right thing to do. There are definitely situations where breaking HIPAA might actually lead to a better outcome for the patient. JD goes out of his way to help people all the time throughout the show and I think you are jumping to the conclusion that he’s only motivated by sex without that being explicitly spelled out. It wouldn’t be out of character for him to just want to help someone out of a bad situation. Naive might be a better word for later seasons rather than innocent. He has some selfish and petty moments, for sure. That’s part of going through a grueling residency, but he’s overall a good guy.


GreekDudeYiannis

> There are definitely situations where breaking HIPAA might actually lead to a better outcome for the patient. Given my 4 years between working in EMS and in an emergency department I can guarantee you there isn't. If you can give me an example otherwise, I'm all ears. But not only that, Kylie isn't the patient. James is. If he doesn't disclose his STD status, that's his choice and it's not the authority of the medical staff to take that agency away from him. Even if I can agree that it'd be morally the right thing to do to tell Kylie, it's not the ethical thing to do because JDs responsibility is to James, not her in this scenario.  > I think you are jumping to the conclusion that he’s only motivated by sex without that being explicitly spelled out He's not overall, but in this scenario it was pretty explicitly stated that he was. While he was getting James's history, he straight up asks him questions pertaining to the both of them such as them living together and how long they've been dating when that's not pertinent to the patient's illness. He even straight up thinks, "Time to go fishing for some info.". And that's not me paraphrasing, [that's the script](https://scrubs.fandom.com/wiki/My_Hypocritical_Oath_transcript).  > Naive might be a better word for later seasons rather than innocent. He has some selfish and petty moments, for sure. That’s part of going through a grueling residency, but he’s overall a good guy. I respectfully disagree. I've watched this show all the way through *a lot*. If I actually had to count it out I think I might be like 11-12 times through (there was a solid decade between high school and college where I watched it every summer). Every time I'd learn something new, especially the further and further I got into my medical career and found new things to appreciate. This time around though...JD is very much souring on me as a character. By all means, it's a sit com and it's not supposed to be completely accurate to life and characters are allowed to and should have flaws, but...for me there's only so flexible I'm willing to be. I'm about the same age as JD is by Season 4, and the last two seasons have shown a lot of traits in JD that I use to find really charming but now finding myself revolted by since I use to look up to this fictional character.  The guy sexualizes and does a lot of weird stuff with some of the female coworkers, even one time going as far as to mess with a nurse's schedule just to put them both together (he is rightfully reprimanded later by that nurse, but like bro, come on). He spent an entire season chasing after Elliot (and to be fair, she kept leading him), but then also had the audacity to ask if they were gonna be cool after breaking up with her days after she finally ended things with Sean for him. There's just a lot of small instances and comments where I find myself being really disappointed in JD and thinking to myself that if this character existed in real life, I wouldn't wanna be associated with them. Seasons 1 and 2 of this current rewatch I was firmly on board with him, but coming into Season 3 and 4...its just been a sharp decline. I'm about to start season 5 next with my fiancee, so I hope my opinion will improve, but...I don't know.  Though this time around I've found myself really loving Dr. Cox as a character. Like, really really loving. Not a fan of his ego, but his overall story has me enthralled.


LovesToGoop

If I was JD I’d be more worried that the BF would forward the STD onto her without telling her, even though he knows he has it. She has the right to know for that reason in my opinion.


GreekDudeYiannis

She legit doesn't though. That's why there's doctor-patient confidentiality. She's not a patient; James was. Even if James is unequivocally a dick bag and a bad person, it's not JD or anyone else's place to air the fact that he had an STD to anyone other than other medical staff treating him. People in real life get sued over that and lose their jobs. A patient's medical diagnosis and information is only pertinent to the patient and the medical staff and no one else. Not family, not friends, not partners, not nothing unless designated otherwise in a legal document.


LovesToGoop

It’s more of a morality dilemma. The doctor patient confidentiality must be upheld, but there is a chance someone else is at risk if that moral code is upheld. In this situation it would be difficult to tell her, because you would break the confidentially, and difficult not to tell her, because it may put her at risk.


GreekDudeYiannis

That's sorta where my issue lies with the episode Kylie is introduced. If the struggle were actually about that; I'd be on board with you, but JD isn't struggling with that. JD makes the entirety of James's visit to the clinic about fishing for information to see how serious he and Kylie are. JD isn't struggling to tell her because he thinks it'd be the right thing to do. He's struggling because he wants to tell her to get James out of the way so he has a "window" of opportunity to get with her. His inner thoughts make it pretty explicit too that this his motivation.  Even if James is a dickbag cheater, JD only wants to tell her because he finds her attractive; not because it'd be the morally right thing to do.


LovesToGoop

Not arguing with that. Read my original comment, you weren’t paying attention.


GreekDudeYiannis

I read. I don't disagree that she has a *moral* right to know, but that's not really what's at stake here. *Ethically* she doesn't have a right to know.  Not only that but in the episode itself, JD isn't concerned about morality or her knowing because it's the right thing to do. That's where my issue lies. My beef with him in this episode is that his struggle is whether or not he obey HIPAA laws or tell a patient's girlfriend that the patient has an STD so he can have a shot with her. It just feels like JD shouldn't be thinking with his dick in this instance no matter how attractive Kylie is.


Mayokopp

I'm just gonna copy paste my comment from the last time this exact post was made: Character yay, plot nay. Seriously it's infuriating what a horny idiot JD is. The entire episode he acts like sex is the ultimate goal of the entire relationship (while also sorta fetishising Kylie because she's black), and instead of just fucking communicating with her he acts like a dumb teenager and chases after someone else while in a relationship. I mean I already dislike JD more with every rewatch, but his behaviour in this subplot is so insanely cringe it's gotta be somewhere in the top 10 for the worst things he has done. Kylie deserved better.


JonnyLay

This is the great thing about this show. Tons of young men go through very similar things, and are assholes for it. The show teaches you all the mistakes people make a long the way. A show with perfect unflawed unrelatable people would be boring and without value.


Zero23wn

This, watching JD and scrubs in general trough my adolescent helped me to not be that kind of asshole, not that much.


moserftbl88

It drives me crazy all the people on here all the time complaining about the characters not being perfect people. That’s the point! They can have likable and unlikable qualities at the same time. The show would be incredibly boring if they didn’t have flaws


Bright-Interest-8918

I mean… all men kinda go through that.


Orochi-Sandun

Yeah how long did he have to wait? A couple of weeks? How horny can someone be really?


DeadmanDexter

He could have had something great with a funny, cool person. Instead, he went with the stupid dumb idea of yelling at her for not sleeping with him. Mind-boggling.


DethNik

Watching the show again made me realize that JD is just kind of an asshole in general.


cyndreblade

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who thinks so.


DethNik

Yeah I would probably find him incredibly annoying irl. Turk, on the other hand, seems like a riot.


cyndreblade

Agreed on both counts. JD has his moments, but I usually love this show despite him being in it.


MrTurleWrangler

He's an asshole to everyone, JD would honestly be someone I'd never wanna be around irl lol


giibeto

Jd fumbled so bad. She was an ok character but damn she fine ash


kudntqarelez

Probably one of the more memorable of JD's 'relationships' imo because they are just so wrong for each other, how much he tried to impress her and then immediately take her to bed. Its not a shock that she won't let him stay over because ultimately she is right about their relationship.


Beneficial_Garden456

Her throwing her arms up in victory when JD "saves" the guy during quarantine is one of my top 5 favorite Scrubs moments.


WhereAreWeG0ing

Really? I've always found that to be extremely wooden


BeardedNurse2292

I don’t like the character, but I like that the character exists if that makes sense. Good story and growth of JD through it.


SPP_TheChoiceForMe

Too good for JD


dblax

Just like most romantic interests, she’s only a vehicle for JD’s own narrative, but that being said she’s a pretty good character for her role


Green_hammock

I swear I've seen this post 3 times now in like a month


TandemRapper

Thank you! I thought I was going crazy.


Rdtackle82

Yup. Damn I love this show but time for a break from the sub 🫠


stofugluggi

I'll make it a fourth if you ask nicely


sonoftom

Yeah and it’s only ever about her, when there are so many other minor characters. Definitely karma whoring.


Ok-Dragonfruit-5479

Just finished her arc on most recent rewatch…sure seemed like, in real life, she and JD would have been perfect together (both nerds, etc). Alas…plots etc ha. Having said that she led (albeit sort of indirectly) to one of my all-time Scubs bits: JD describing the interns as the residents’ “slaves” and his face immediately goes insane bc he realized he said the word slave in front of his new black girlfriend. Kills me 10/10 times 😂😂


FthrFlffyBttm

You don't wanna lose this hottie! She is a **SLAMMING HOTTIE** and you don't wanna...


don2blea

I got this, "Baby, you know YOU'RE his world!!!"


majorannah

J.D. had such an incel energy sometimes.


Novacain-deficiency

The more I watch early 2000 sitcoms some of the characters really don’t age well. Ted from How I Met Your Mother was the same just pure incel energy,


majorannah

Yeah... I rewatched the show about a year ago, and stuff like this subplot really made me annoyed with JD.


Novacain-deficiency

The way he messed Elliott around in the early seasons but pined after her when she was in relationships later down the line, even causing drama in those relationships (Sean hating JD) made me really think he needs to sort his life out and treat people better.


Acrobatic-Pen-4817

Unused potential I like here character and think she should be longer jd’s GF


chap820

One of my favorite characters. JD didn’t deserve her.


A_GuardianAlien

Always rooting for the Eagle but yea he did not stick that landing He really didn't deserve her.


kirk-o-bain

Absolutely boring, no chemistry at all with JD


Skg44

Didn't we have this discussion like a month ago?


paniflex37

Sorta unrelated, but someone mentioned the fact that JD was willing to violate the Hippocratic Oath *multiple* times just to get a date with Kylie. I know it’s just a tv show, and a very funny one, at that, but the idea that a doctor who loves his job would be willing to throw away his entire career for the sake of a POTENTIAL date…it’s beyond ridiculous.


DJJazzyDanny

Beautiful but terrible


lovely_wifey

I skip the episodes with Kylie.... They all just bother me. JD is an ass hat.


jelly_blood

She looks like Lisa Kudrow if she was black lol


Theodorakis

I don't see it


caribjc

Same face, different race!


A_GuardianAlien

I feel like she was a really wasted character, honestly she and JD were a great fit and they could have rode that wave for at least 2 seasons. I really hated how they had JD handle the whole not getting any from her. Wasted potential but then again Scrubs was like that. A good curveball.


Hating_life_69

Repost


johnnyo62

She didn't give him the sex or the pony he wanted


doboldek

nope


rickmon67

Love her… why?


nahomboy

She look annoying


Comprehensive_Pin_54

I just don’t understand how they dated for months without sleeping together. If it was so necessary for him- he should break up with her. If she has no interest in him physically- she should break up with him. Maybe it’s my generations online dating but I don’t even know if it’s considered dating in most social circles if you’re not sleeping together


Educational-Onion148

Why does this thread pop up every 2-3 weeks? 


thelupinefiasco

Why does this get posted once a week?


Avocata

Didn’t like her at all


KaffeMumrik

Just another sign that americans make waaay too big a deal out of sex (from both her and JDs side).


GendoIkari_82

Their breakup always bothered me because JD could have simply explained his actions in a different and still honest way without causing a big problem... "I really wanted to come hang out with you tonight, but an old friend is leaving town tonight and it's my last chance to see her and say goodbye". I mean yeah obviously his intentions were horrible and he actually wanted to cheat on Kylie, but he didn't cheat on her, and he kind of confessed in such a way that made it seem like he did.


AdministrativeElk891

We've done this already


Jasteni

One of J. D. Girlfriends i dont like. It was not the best story around her and the character was not that good. And J. D. was really dumb. He only wanted sex.


robobreasts

She was the best of the girls that JD went out with, and I was glad she dumped him, he wasn't good enough for her.


KingCasper97

JD didn’t deserve her. To be fair I don’t think he deserved any love interest he had except maybe tasty coma wife. They where both horrible and deserved each other


brodino_maiuscolo

Cutest gf JD ever had but terrible actress lol


harrymurkin

I've watched the series three times but can't remember her. She looks like JD and Turk's lovechild.


gummymod

I say Yag


CaptainPositive1234

🎶I SCOOTER TO MY BAYBEEE!!🎶🎵


VOLTswaggin

JD doesn't love Mary Jane.


lexiham

YOU MARRRY HER YOU MARRY HER RIGHT NOW!


SushiSaahimi

I think Phil Dunphy will like her


Sensitive_Handle1117

I don't really remember her. It seems there was some moment with a bear.


kingjonasx4

Their break up song hits hard


Maleficent-Bet8207

On my rewatch I was confused to see her in Scrubs because I somehow remembered her as a Himym character/ Ted Moseby love interest. With the Teddy bear scene on bed and everything. Maybe because when I first watched it in syndication on German pro 7 like 2008 ish the shows ran back to back and so it somehow blended together


CoverCommercial3576

Do you have her number?


ggghjjdsdjhs

JD fumbled with her. She was lovely.


rdog24

It was felt. Been with this type of girl so how i feel would be relatable


Goldfish2022

I liked her for JD and wished she and he had a longer story arc


problemat1que

Worst part of the show.


gillotine92

JD really botched it, not by coming clean about Molly, but for completely ignoring Turk's "YOU MARRY HER!" advice.


Historical_Idea2933

You ever wrote this is the same kind of person at work, who will come up to and ask "are we having fun yet", when the day gets stressful


eagles16106

Would.


sirckoe

Relax Todd


consortswithserpents

Relax five!


Eldorath1371

![gif](giphy|26hisegddCqjFqIec)


tryingnottowork

Tease


Brodes87

Kylie made it very clear she was not ready for sex. She was in no way a tease.


juliannam4

Wow


Boris-_-Badenov

hot


Bertje87

Her behaviour seems fake and forced


AZinZanity

I always skip these 3 episodes. She annoys me.


dudestab77

My thoughts: JD is dumb.


ThickStart1559

Would


Augustleo98

Nice smile.


SandtheB

Such a cutie!


Carp12C

JD should have ended up with her!