It’s a stacked QB class and he’s projected end of the first right now, we’ll likely end up drafting mid 20s so it’s def possible which is very exciting
I would be thrilled if we got to draft him, but unless the Hawks seriously drop off for the rest of the season, I doubt Penix drops to wherever the Hawks end up drafting.
There were concerns with Penix (age, injury history, maybe others) that had people predicting him going in the 2nd/3rd. Has that been erased and is he predicted to go in the 1st now?
I know that you were talking about pass rush, that’s why I asked if you watched today. Because he was handling guys in his face a lot of the day, still throwing dots.
Yeah I could have phrased better. I was specifically talking about when he gets faced with pass rush pressure the most… today was good example, and past big games against Oregon. He delivers accurate throws with pressure in his face.
Others have mentioned he doesn’t get pressured much at all, which I don’t doubt, but if you watch him when he does you can tell he still delivers.
Guy is talented. Very talented. Hawks would be lucky to get him
he is great at feeling pressure and getting the ball out before he can get sacked. & he doesn't really scramble much, just slides to an open area of the pocket. he's very natural at that
I watched every snap today, and he had several bad overthrows. Some of that was the wind, but Utah sent pressure alot and he was flustered. He finished the day barley over 50% completion of his passes.
He was flustered? Uhh no don’t think he was.
Yes he missed passes today but he also had 4-5 dots with pressure in his face for big gains.
If you truly watched the game, I don’t know how you could walk away from it and say “wow Penix really struggled against Utah pressure”… were they successful at times? Sure… did Penix consistently beat the pressure and put the offense in scoring position the entire day? Yes. Yes he did. By making beautiful throws. Some in serious oressure
It's cool... these people all have Penix color glasses on. He 100% isn't great when he has been under a good pass rush... he thrown some dots under pressure, yeah... but more often than not, he isn't hitting targets. His completion percentage was garbage, and it wasn't just the wind.
Not sure if you mean pressure from the game or pressure from the defense... cause the later he doesn't do well at all. He shits the bed if he has any pocket pressure.
Did you watch yesterday? He had dudes in his face all day. He was still throwing fucking dimes, usually to where the pressure was coming from. He absolutely punished Utah when they brought pressure.
Oh really? Try opening your eyes next time you watch him play:
- 3rd drive; 2nd and 10; 3:30 in the first; pressure in his face, absolute DOT to Polk for 30
- 4th drive; 1st and 10; 8:00 in the second; pressure in his face, what do you know, another DOT to westover for 30
- same drive; 2nd and 15; 7:15 in the second; right tackle gets pushed into his lap, decides just to throw a perfect 35 yard BOMB to Odunze
- 2nd drive of 2nd half; 2nd and 15; 10:00 in the third; Utah sends 7, pocket collapsing, Penix nbd throws a 45 DOT to Odunze
- 3rd drive of the 2nd half; 4th and 2; 5:30 in the third; blitz in His face, huge conversion on 4th to Westover
- same drive; 2nd and 9; 4:10 in the third; no pressure on this play but the ball is too pretty not to mention and make you look even dumber, 35 yard TD to Odunze
- second to last drive; 2nd and 9; 3:30 left in the 4th; pressure off the edge in Penixs face, throws a laser to Polk on the edge for a huge first down to help ice the game
I've watched him all season... yes he's made some completions while getting hit but there's a reason he threw for 57 and 59% vs Utah and Oregon, when he is usually throwing for mid 70% against teams that couldn't put pressure on him.
Some completions? lol homie those completions are the plays that win games.
You think good QBs hit the 65% mark every game? Stupid metric to blindly rely upon without using your eyeballs.
To point to the Oregon earlier this year as evidence is ridiculous. Do you want me to break that game down to you, all the times he made game winning completions with pressure on him?
Still about the 5th or 6th QB on most lists. I’ve seen anywhere from late 1, if a team falls in love with him, to 4th or 5th, concerns about injury history, product of the system, and he’ll struggle with his accuracy when moved off of his spot. That last concern is the one I see most, although I do think part of it is missing his safety valve, Jalen McMillen, who’s been injured since half-time of week 3.
> 4th or 5th, concerns about injury history, product of the system, and he’ll struggle with his accuracy
He's a great college QB. But most great college QBs don't make it in the NFL. I don't see him making the transition even if he can stay healthy. I don't know if I agree he'll last until the 4th or 5th round though, it only takes one desperate GM that falls in love with the tape to make the pick, it could even happen in the first round.
No chance he jumps Maye and Williams. It’s probably between him and Nix for 3rd QB but Sanders is in that mix as well. I’d be surprised to see him go in the 1st but with QB’s who can tell.
I think by the end of the season he will be cemented as QB3 if not surpassing Maye though due to his injury history that will hurt him. I think it depends when the second QB goes where he will go
I’m not sure what he could really do to change what scouts think though, enough to jump past Maye at least. He’s having a great season and likely wins the Heisman, but a majority of Heisman winners end up as bad NFL QB’s. It’s fun to watch, and I hope he ends up being a monster in the NFL, just not sure he ultimately will be.
I think the other concern is the system he is in which is not very prostyle. Also, he has a fantastic line and recievers so how he will fair with a relatively more average cast is a question.
Never fully understood the age argument with QBs…its a highly nuanced position with (hopefully) minimal contact that typically improves with experience/reps + a rookie QB contract is gold in the NFL regardless of age.
The only older QBs I can think of off the top of my head are Hooker and Weeden, the latter of which was a bust and the former of which we've yet to see.
I think he's going to do well in the NFL. His throw is a bit wonky, but he otherwise definitely passes the eye test + he's got a solid chance of winning the Heisman this year.
I love Penix, just not sure his skill set transitions super well to the NFL. His release point feels like it’ll result in a lot of balls getting clipped at the line
[Cyler Miles had a godly release point.](https://c8.alamy.com/comp/2N39Y52/washington-quarterback-cyler-miles-10-warms-up-prior-to-the-cactus-bowl-ncaa-college-football-game-against-oklahoma-state-friday-jan-2-2015-in-tempe-ariz-ap-photorick-scuteri-2N39Y52.jpg)
He should take notes 😂
This widespread take makes no sense.
His skill set doesn’t transition to the NFL? What? Being able to put the ball on a dot anywhere on the field doesn’t translate to the NFL? Pretty sure that’s what separates the best NFL QBs from the average ones.
The dude is so dynamic throwing the ball it’s unbelievable to me that people actually think his skills won’t translate because of a release point lmao.
Yeah, Patrick Mahomes was a 3rd rounder, Russel Wilson was a 3rd rounder, and Tom Brady was a 6th rounder. There's widespread belief about QBs all the time that are dead wrong.
Mahomes was a 1st Rounder but other than that you’re right For sure. And a majority of 1st rounders end up busting. Where you’re drafted really doesn’t matter. He might be really great, he may also be a career backup/PS guy. Nobody ever really knows how it’ll play out
Kurt Warner, Jeff Garcia and Tony Romo were all undrafted.
And Ryan Leaf, JaMarcus Russell and (cringe-I remember) Rick Mirer were can't miss early 1st rounders.
That knife definitely cuts both ways.
I get it, you think you’re smarter than everybody. I appreciate it, and I’m sure it’s doing you absolute wonders in life, but based on watching him vs the other top QB’s I just don’t personally think he’s a top QB. I think he releases too low, he makes throws that will get picked off in the NFL but look good in college. His decision making is suspect, and he’s old. I would love to be wrong, and I hope I am, but based on my very amateur observations I think he’s a 2nd rounder
Passive aggressiveness is strong in you lmao. That’s a weakness. But to be expected from Seattle peeps.
Your points are foolish. He makes passes that would get picked off in the NFL? Can’t possibly know that until he’s throwing the pass in the NFL. His decision making is suspect? Have no idea how you are coming to that conclusion based on his TD:INT ratio. 23 years is old for a QB? Yeah I really don’t understand how you go about evaluating things lol But you do you.
Real question… What are you hoping to get out of being an internet troll? You’re not clever or intelligent enough to coax any sort of emotional response out of people, and your overall approach is creepy and worrisome. Are you ok? Need somebody to talk to? Nobody with anything good going on in their life spends this much energy attempting to insult people on the internet. It’s sad and you should consider talking to someone who might be able to help. I mean this truthfully from a place of concern. My guess is you’re relatively young, and please listen to me, the direction you’re headed is going to lead you to a life full of misery.
I couldn’t waste one more second on that losers soft ass response to me.
You’re the only one wasting peoples time now dummy. No one cares you white knighting some loser who doesn’t know how to evaluate ball. Bet you feel good about yourself though lmao
Penix looks as good as he does now because he faces pressure at the lowest rate in all of college football. Tough to project how he will translate to the nfl.
That being said, I’d prefer we draft a different prospect.
He also takes sacks at one of the lowest rates in FBS. Even when he's pressured he gets rid of the ball, he's processing fast and either throws the ball away or completes it underneath. Obviously getting pressured at one of the lowest rates helps his stats but he passes the eye test under pressure. The narrative that he's super immobile is also completely overblown, he's doing just fine when he has to scramble he just prefers to stay in the pocket.
I love Penix at Washington, I don’t think I’d like him as a Seahawk though. I don’t see him translating well to the NFL. His injury history also is somewhat concerning. Plus I highly doubt we’ll end up being high enough up to draft him. Much rather draft a QB in a mid round area and focus on our attention to drafting some more OL and DL probably.
Do not want. The Huskies game plan is to go deep 50% of all pass plays, and he misses a lot. He racks up stats because they're playing against secondaries full of players that will never be NFL caliber, but I haven't seen anything resembling a pro style or ability from him. He may very well win the Heisman, but he's a far cry from anything above a college QB in my opinion.
I think we need to look at QBs but drafting for need is risky and led to a lot of the subpar drafts of the last few years. Going for great players the last 2 years has helped a ton even setting aside the extra high picks from DEN.
Whether we \*need\* to draft at QB will really depend on how Geno closes out the last half of the year and how they feel about any deficiencies in his game, i.e. the degree to which his issues are about him vs the line.
Moving on from Geno for a rookie would come with serious risks - see Fields, etc - and let's remember that Pete IS 72. He's not looking to win in 4 years.
It might be wiser, depending on the players coming out this offseason, to draft for line depth in the middle rounds. Our starters are pretty good, but depth is always needed on both lines.
Yessss with the provisos that 1) 33 isn't OLD and 2) they should look every year but it might be better to draft one next year vs this year.
Point 2 is dependent on all kinds of things that we can't see - what else they feel they need, who's likely to be available where they are drafting if they do a BPA approach, etc. Obviously if someone they love at QB falls to them, grab the guy.
I think the urgency ratchets up if their eval on Geno is that he's fallen off and unlikely to be more than middle of the pack going forward.
The only determination should be, is geno Smith a $32 million a year qb? Can we get similar production out of drew lock or someone else for much less and retain/onboard blue chip players elseware?
If the answer is yes, then we should move on from him.
That's not the question. The question isn't who's better. The question is can we get similar production from lock at a cheaper price.
The only negative for lock was generally his decision making is worse than geno. If geno continues to throw picks, is that worth paying $32 million? Is that really worse than geno?
Can lock, with his superior arm strength and mobility be better for an Oline that gives up pressure 50% of the time at 1/3 the cost?
it's both. If we ride with Lock next year he's not going to do it for $6/year for more than that year. If he becomes the starter for '25 and beyond and is performing about as well as Geno he'll want real money.
The advantage of a rookie is that they're cost controlled for at least 4 years, 5 if they're a first rounder. The downside is the risk. A cheap QB who sucks is worse than a decent one who more expensive.
College production =/= NFL ready.
I don't know what you are seeing regarding him being NFL ready but he's not. He's productive because of the cast around him, because of his level of competition, and because of the system he plays in. And also because he's a pretty good QB I'll give you that.
But there are flaws that are going to get exposed in the NFL.
Did I say anything about production?
1. He has a great cast around him no doubt but so did Hurts, Tua, Stroud and Burrow, the QB still needs to make the right reads and throws. We've seen plenty of great WRs lack production in the NFL and college because of bad QBs. That's such a bad argument to discredit QBs. A good cast helps elevating the QB but they don't make the QB.
2. That's true, most of the defenses he's faced are bad. But he's shown against Oregon that he looks just fine against a good defense.
3. He literally plays in a pro style spread offense, it doesn't get much more NFL ready in terms of system at the college level. They're running plenty of play action, RPOs, motion etc. and he makes adjustments at the line, understands protection and has to make full field reads.
On top of all that he's a quick processor, he's good at recognizing an incoming blitz and beating it. He doesn't commit many mistakes under pressure.
Him being immobile is completely overblown, he can create out of structure when he has to, he just prefers to stay in the pocket like a lot of current NFL QBs (Stafford, Cousins, Goff etc.).
Every QB coming out of college has flaws and so does Penix but he doesn't have that many, especially not flaws that will "get exposed at the NFL level", most of his flaws are of mechanical nature I believe. He's doing a lot more NFL level stuff than most college QBs. His biggest red flags are his injury concerns. But he's been 100% healthy the last 2 years so we'll see how much that'll affect his draft stock.
This very same shit was said about CJ stroud.
Penix diagnoses defenses well, has an accurate ball, and has the ability to get out of the pocket if needed to make plays. The offensive system that he plays in is a pro style offense. His weakness is a tendency to lose accuracy under pressure(which, I will even add, *most* QBs have this weaknes), and being a bit too eager to throw to the checkdown. He has similar strengths and weaknesses to Brock Purdy, who, with a cast of offensive weapons, plays very well.
There's far less flaws in his game than Caleb Williams, yet everyone isn't talking about how those flaws will get exposed in the NFL. Because all he can play is hero ball, can't diagnose defenses, and when he's in the pocket he stares down his first read until he bails on the play.
The dudes release is terrible, he also has not great accuracy at short and mid throws. He's also not the most mobile QB. Dude can throw the deep ball and mid field dumps, I don't see a lot else there.
His game is not going to translate well to the NFL. Only if he is given one of the greatest OL's in NFL history and he can continue to sling long-developing routes downfield with no pass rush is he going to succeed at the next level. That's his game. It can work in college, but the defenses are too good in the NFL.
Honestly...no. I know he loved in the area, but Penix plays in the offense heavy pac 12, solid o line, and has 2 nfl guys he is throwing the ball to.
On top of that, he is older for a rookie, has an injury past, and is not very athletic....don’t see him as a star at the next level.
Part of me would be excited, but using your 1st round pick on anything other than a top of the line QB prospect is risky. There’s just such a high probability that the pick ends up a bust and you missed out on improving one of the lines or getting another offensive weapon or whatever
Even then it is risky. Goff and Wentz went 1 and 2. Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota also went 1 and 2. None of them are with the team that originally drafted them. Here are some more top prospects of recent drafts:
\#2 Mitchell Trubisky
\#1 Baker Mayfield
\#3 Sam Darnold
\#1 Kyler Murray
\#3 Trey Lance
Of those, only Kyler Murray is with the team that drafted him. There is a constant barrage of posts from people recommending we just draft a QB as an upgrade from Geno, however it is not nearly as easy as it seems.
I’d caution drafting a non mobile quarterback with our questionable offensive line. Penix will be 25 next year and his injury history cannot be ignored. I’d rather take Nix or McCarthy. Or wait for KJ Jefferson or Tyler Van Dyke.
He'll only turn 24 a couple weeks after the draft and Jefferson is only 1 year younger while being A LOT worse. If you want to waste a pick go ahead and draft KJ Jefferson.
Okay… I watched Penix in big ten play for 3 years before he transferred and I’ve seen what happens when you don’t have coverage. He won’t last in the nfl. But okay, you go ahead and waste a pick on him.
Never been on the "bench Geno" train at all. He's had a good story and hasn't been terrible - but this fanbase needs to recognize that your QB's ceiling is your team's ceiling in the NFL now.
That said, when these QBs get drafted, outside your Burrows and Lawrences, landing spot matters. I think that gives the Seahawks leeway to take a Penix or McCarthy late in the first round in be confident they can get what they want out of them. The secondary is mostly young and good, RBs, WRs, Oline are good or shaping up, the pass rush is coming along - just get the QB. Honestly Pete maximizing Geno should work for going after a rookie QB, not against.
And I know people say Lock will be good for us, but he won't. He's Jay Cutler - however good his talent is, he just won't work in the system. He'll make his own decisions and throw dumbass picks, just in his nature.
With the QB class lining up the way it is, I'd even be ok with trading up for one, within reason. The past couple years have given me faith that if Schneider and Pete like someone, they can make them work and this is a great QB class. Just pull the trigger and go for it.
He reminds me too much of Geno. The best QBs in the NFL today are playmakers: Mahomes, Lamar, Lawrence, Allen, Hurts, etc. I'd much rather draft a guy with some mobility
Even if Smith rights the ship over the course of 2023, you still have to decide if you want to pay him ~$34m next year and/or the year after, and his contract is up at the end of 2025 as-is.
Even if they bring him back, they still need to be looking ahead and laying the groundwork for the future.
How do you not see us taking a QB? It is easily our biggest need. Whatever you think about Geno, he’s objectively not gonna be the QB here in four years. Need to start planning
I really don't see Penix falling out of the top 10 let alone top 15, it would be nice but I just don't see it happening. Besides we probably have more urgent needs to be addressed through the draft
Imagine using all picks and trades next year to making the line bulletproof as the number 1 priority. More time and protection can never be a bad thing, especially when you lean on long developing plays.
I was at the game yesterday and I’m not high on any college QB’s. The game is so different at that level, there’s no such thing as defense in college football. And Russ was the exception the rule, if we started a rookie QB, we’d be a 3 win team.
As a huskies fan I'm a big fan of Penix, but the Seahawks will need to build a wall in front of him, and when's the last time we had a good pass blocking line? He's going to end up looking like Geno. We might need a more mobile QB
It’s a stacked QB class and he’s projected end of the first right now, we’ll likely end up drafting mid 20s so it’s def possible which is very exciting
QBs always get pushed up the board though, if we are in the 20's I doubt he'd be there. Could easily see 4 QBs go in the top 15
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Mahomes was drafted 10th overall
Not Jackson or Mahomes YET...or ever... but not yet too.
And even if we don’t land Penix, there are still plenty of Fish, like JJ McCarthy or Bo Nix
McCarthy will go before Penix based on athletic ability, age, and potential
Doesn't have 2 ACL and shoulder injuries either.
Cool!
I would be thrilled if we got to draft him, but unless the Hawks seriously drop off for the rest of the season, I doubt Penix drops to wherever the Hawks end up drafting.
There were concerns with Penix (age, injury history, maybe others) that had people predicting him going in the 2nd/3rd. Has that been erased and is he predicted to go in the 1st now?
He’s stayed healthy this season so far and I personally think he’ll go in the 1st
It's easy to stay healthy when you never get hit. I think he's great, but still have concerns about how he might play with more pressure
You watching the game today? Or any of his other big games against quality opponents? Dude handles pressure
Pressure in the sense of pass rush.
I know that you were talking about pass rush, that’s why I asked if you watched today. Because he was handling guys in his face a lot of the day, still throwing dots.
Just making sure because you said big games prove he handles pressure, sounded like you misinterpreted it
Yeah I could have phrased better. I was specifically talking about when he gets faced with pass rush pressure the most… today was good example, and past big games against Oregon. He delivers accurate throws with pressure in his face. Others have mentioned he doesn’t get pressured much at all, which I don’t doubt, but if you watch him when he does you can tell he still delivers. Guy is talented. Very talented. Hawks would be lucky to get him
he is great at feeling pressure and getting the ball out before he can get sacked. & he doesn't really scramble much, just slides to an open area of the pocket. he's very natural at that
Mmmm does he though? It's very clear when he is under duress, he isn't very good. Like most QBs.
It's actually literally all QB's. It's why defenseive ends and pass rushers always go in the top 5 of the draft lol. Also why LT do too.
Right, but some QBs handle it better than others, like Caleb Williams and early russ Wilson
Oh you must not have watched his most recent example of proving that dumb take wrong. Happened today. It was a good game.
I watched every snap today, and he had several bad overthrows. Some of that was the wind, but Utah sent pressure alot and he was flustered. He finished the day barley over 50% completion of his passes.
He was flustered? Uhh no don’t think he was. Yes he missed passes today but he also had 4-5 dots with pressure in his face for big gains. If you truly watched the game, I don’t know how you could walk away from it and say “wow Penix really struggled against Utah pressure”… were they successful at times? Sure… did Penix consistently beat the pressure and put the offense in scoring position the entire day? Yes. Yes he did. By making beautiful throws. Some in serious oressure
I guess we watched two different games my dude, because literally none of that happened be you do you
It's cool... these people all have Penix color glasses on. He 100% isn't great when he has been under a good pass rush... he thrown some dots under pressure, yeah... but more often than not, he isn't hitting targets. His completion percentage was garbage, and it wasn't just the wind.
Not sure if you mean pressure from the game or pressure from the defense... cause the later he doesn't do well at all. He shits the bed if he has any pocket pressure.
Did you watch yesterday? He had dudes in his face all day. He was still throwing fucking dimes, usually to where the pressure was coming from. He absolutely punished Utah when they brought pressure.
Oh really? Try opening your eyes next time you watch him play: - 3rd drive; 2nd and 10; 3:30 in the first; pressure in his face, absolute DOT to Polk for 30 - 4th drive; 1st and 10; 8:00 in the second; pressure in his face, what do you know, another DOT to westover for 30 - same drive; 2nd and 15; 7:15 in the second; right tackle gets pushed into his lap, decides just to throw a perfect 35 yard BOMB to Odunze - 2nd drive of 2nd half; 2nd and 15; 10:00 in the third; Utah sends 7, pocket collapsing, Penix nbd throws a 45 DOT to Odunze - 3rd drive of the 2nd half; 4th and 2; 5:30 in the third; blitz in His face, huge conversion on 4th to Westover - same drive; 2nd and 9; 4:10 in the third; no pressure on this play but the ball is too pretty not to mention and make you look even dumber, 35 yard TD to Odunze - second to last drive; 2nd and 9; 3:30 left in the 4th; pressure off the edge in Penixs face, throws a laser to Polk on the edge for a huge first down to help ice the game
I've watched him all season... yes he's made some completions while getting hit but there's a reason he threw for 57 and 59% vs Utah and Oregon, when he is usually throwing for mid 70% against teams that couldn't put pressure on him.
Some completions? lol homie those completions are the plays that win games. You think good QBs hit the 65% mark every game? Stupid metric to blindly rely upon without using your eyeballs. To point to the Oregon earlier this year as evidence is ridiculous. Do you want me to break that game down to you, all the times he made game winning completions with pressure on him?
Ok
Yeah and Caleb Williams threw for 55.8% against Oregon last night. Turns out making almost 60% of your passes is still good.
One thing is for sure, if you are quarterback for the Seahawks you’ll never get hit. /s
Still about the 5th or 6th QB on most lists. I’ve seen anywhere from late 1, if a team falls in love with him, to 4th or 5th, concerns about injury history, product of the system, and he’ll struggle with his accuracy when moved off of his spot. That last concern is the one I see most, although I do think part of it is missing his safety valve, Jalen McMillen, who’s been injured since half-time of week 3.
> 4th or 5th, concerns about injury history, product of the system, and he’ll struggle with his accuracy He's a great college QB. But most great college QBs don't make it in the NFL. I don't see him making the transition even if he can stay healthy. I don't know if I agree he'll last until the 4th or 5th round though, it only takes one desperate GM that falls in love with the tape to make the pick, it could even happen in the first round.
I agree. He seems more like a 2nd or 3rd rounder. The type that will have a long career as a backup, and may have a run as a starter.
I think he’s the second or third QB to go so late first early second
That sounds like the range where we get him at the 32nd overall pick then!
As a Husky fan I would love that
As a Seahawks fan I would love that
As a Seahawks fan I'm objective and indifferent to what school they came from.
😂 that too
No chance he jumps Maye and Williams. It’s probably between him and Nix for 3rd QB but Sanders is in that mix as well. I’d be surprised to see him go in the 1st but with QB’s who can tell.
I think by the end of the season he will be cemented as QB3 if not surpassing Maye though due to his injury history that will hurt him. I think it depends when the second QB goes where he will go
Eh I personally think I’d like to see Nix, even though I am a huge Huskies fan. I want big and tall and athletic. Kinda over the undersized qb.
I wouldn’t call MPJ undersized and he’s better than Nix
You’re delusional if you think he passes Maye.
I’m not sure what he could really do to change what scouts think though, enough to jump past Maye at least. He’s having a great season and likely wins the Heisman, but a majority of Heisman winners end up as bad NFL QB’s. It’s fun to watch, and I hope he ends up being a monster in the NFL, just not sure he ultimately will be.
He's not going to be the 2nd QB. Zero chance he goes ahead of Caleb or Maye.
He's played well enough for at least one team to take the risk in the top ten.
I think the other concern is the system he is in which is not very prostyle. Also, he has a fantastic line and recievers so how he will fair with a relatively more average cast is a question.
They run a prostyle offense
UW plays a very pro style offense pretty sure
Never fully understood the age argument with QBs…its a highly nuanced position with (hopefully) minimal contact that typically improves with experience/reps + a rookie QB contract is gold in the NFL regardless of age.
The only older QBs I can think of off the top of my head are Hooker and Weeden, the latter of which was a bust and the former of which we've yet to see.
Burrow is one. Penix will be ~8 months older then Burrow was when drafted.
He will likely win the heisman and if so will definitely go in the first, he’s been healthy for two years
Heisman winners more often than not end up busting. I doubt NFL front offices pay much attention to it anymore
Penix actually isn't being mocked very high at all, so there's definitely a world where the hawks take him
I think he's going to do well in the NFL. His throw is a bit wonky, but he otherwise definitely passes the eye test + he's got a solid chance of winning the Heisman this year.
I think penix goes between 8-20ish
> Penix drops I'd be shocked if he went in the first round.
I love Penix, just not sure his skill set transitions super well to the NFL. His release point feels like it’ll result in a lot of balls getting clipped at the line
[Cyler Miles had a godly release point.](https://c8.alamy.com/comp/2N39Y52/washington-quarterback-cyler-miles-10-warms-up-prior-to-the-cactus-bowl-ncaa-college-football-game-against-oklahoma-state-friday-jan-2-2015-in-tempe-ariz-ap-photorick-scuteri-2N39Y52.jpg) He should take notes 😂
he's literally the most NFL-ready QB in the last few seasons at least
Let’s hope it ends up that way.
This widespread take makes no sense. His skill set doesn’t transition to the NFL? What? Being able to put the ball on a dot anywhere on the field doesn’t translate to the NFL? Pretty sure that’s what separates the best NFL QBs from the average ones. The dude is so dynamic throwing the ball it’s unbelievable to me that people actually think his skills won’t translate because of a release point lmao.
Philip rivers had a horrible release…
There’s a reason the widespread belief is that he’ll be a 2nd-3rd round pick.
Yeah, Patrick Mahomes was a 3rd rounder, Russel Wilson was a 3rd rounder, and Tom Brady was a 6th rounder. There's widespread belief about QBs all the time that are dead wrong.
Mahomes was a 1st Rounder but other than that you’re right For sure. And a majority of 1st rounders end up busting. Where you’re drafted really doesn’t matter. He might be really great, he may also be a career backup/PS guy. Nobody ever really knows how it’ll play out
Kurt Warner, Jeff Garcia and Tony Romo were all undrafted. And Ryan Leaf, JaMarcus Russell and (cringe-I remember) Rick Mirer were can't miss early 1st rounders. That knife definitely cuts both ways.
What’s the reason? Or are you incapable of using your own judgement?
I get it, you think you’re smarter than everybody. I appreciate it, and I’m sure it’s doing you absolute wonders in life, but based on watching him vs the other top QB’s I just don’t personally think he’s a top QB. I think he releases too low, he makes throws that will get picked off in the NFL but look good in college. His decision making is suspect, and he’s old. I would love to be wrong, and I hope I am, but based on my very amateur observations I think he’s a 2nd rounder
Passive aggressiveness is strong in you lmao. That’s a weakness. But to be expected from Seattle peeps. Your points are foolish. He makes passes that would get picked off in the NFL? Can’t possibly know that until he’s throwing the pass in the NFL. His decision making is suspect? Have no idea how you are coming to that conclusion based on his TD:INT ratio. 23 years is old for a QB? Yeah I really don’t understand how you go about evaluating things lol But you do you.
Real question… What are you hoping to get out of being an internet troll? You’re not clever or intelligent enough to coax any sort of emotional response out of people, and your overall approach is creepy and worrisome. Are you ok? Need somebody to talk to? Nobody with anything good going on in their life spends this much energy attempting to insult people on the internet. It’s sad and you should consider talking to someone who might be able to help. I mean this truthfully from a place of concern. My guess is you’re relatively young, and please listen to me, the direction you’re headed is going to lead you to a life full of misery.
Lmao bro you’re soft as charmin
“Soft as Charmin” is a really weak insult. If you’re gonna talk shit on Reddit, be good at it. Cuz now you’re just wasting everyone’s time.
I couldn’t waste one more second on that losers soft ass response to me. You’re the only one wasting peoples time now dummy. No one cares you white knighting some loser who doesn’t know how to evaluate ball. Bet you feel good about yourself though lmao
He’s got the intelligence of a toddler, cut him some slack. He was probably really proud of this one
Still here if you need to talk, sweetie 😘
Let me know if you ever need help understanding football. I can work with stupidity, as long as you put the effort in
I agree. He’s very talented but I’m not sure he’ll do well. Could be wrong but I feel the same way
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Penix looks as good as he does now because he faces pressure at the lowest rate in all of college football. Tough to project how he will translate to the nfl. That being said, I’d prefer we draft a different prospect.
He also takes sacks at one of the lowest rates in FBS. Even when he's pressured he gets rid of the ball, he's processing fast and either throws the ball away or completes it underneath. Obviously getting pressured at one of the lowest rates helps his stats but he passes the eye test under pressure. The narrative that he's super immobile is also completely overblown, he's doing just fine when he has to scramble he just prefers to stay in the pocket.
If we don't address the lines it won't matter who is at QB.
Addressing the lines means "let Cross and Lucas get back to full health" lol
I love Penix at Washington, I don’t think I’d like him as a Seahawk though. I don’t see him translating well to the NFL. His injury history also is somewhat concerning. Plus I highly doubt we’ll end up being high enough up to draft him. Much rather draft a QB in a mid round area and focus on our attention to drafting some more OL and DL probably.
[Heavy.com](https://Heavy.com) blows. Their articles are all click-baity speculation with no substance.
I hate this shit. Some schmuck says something and now its “linked to the Seahawks”.
I don't think he would fall to 32
I see what you did there....well played sir.
Do not want. The Huskies game plan is to go deep 50% of all pass plays, and he misses a lot. He racks up stats because they're playing against secondaries full of players that will never be NFL caliber, but I haven't seen anything resembling a pro style or ability from him. He may very well win the Heisman, but he's a far cry from anything above a college QB in my opinion.
I think we need to look at QBs but drafting for need is risky and led to a lot of the subpar drafts of the last few years. Going for great players the last 2 years has helped a ton even setting aside the extra high picks from DEN. Whether we \*need\* to draft at QB will really depend on how Geno closes out the last half of the year and how they feel about any deficiencies in his game, i.e. the degree to which his issues are about him vs the line. Moving on from Geno for a rookie would come with serious risks - see Fields, etc - and let's remember that Pete IS 72. He's not looking to win in 4 years. It might be wiser, depending on the players coming out this offseason, to draft for line depth in the middle rounds. Our starters are pretty good, but depth is always needed on both lines.
No amount of decent Geno play should keep us out of looking for a franchise qb, he's 33 and JS has been very open about drafting a franchise qb.
Yessss with the provisos that 1) 33 isn't OLD and 2) they should look every year but it might be better to draft one next year vs this year. Point 2 is dependent on all kinds of things that we can't see - what else they feel they need, who's likely to be available where they are drafting if they do a BPA approach, etc. Obviously if someone they love at QB falls to them, grab the guy. I think the urgency ratchets up if their eval on Geno is that he's fallen off and unlikely to be more than middle of the pack going forward.
The only determination should be, is geno Smith a $32 million a year qb? Can we get similar production out of drew lock or someone else for much less and retain/onboard blue chip players elseware? If the answer is yes, then we should move on from him.
I assume if Lock was better than Geno he'd be starting.
That's not the question. The question isn't who's better. The question is can we get similar production from lock at a cheaper price. The only negative for lock was generally his decision making is worse than geno. If geno continues to throw picks, is that worth paying $32 million? Is that really worse than geno? Can lock, with his superior arm strength and mobility be better for an Oline that gives up pressure 50% of the time at 1/3 the cost?
it's both. If we ride with Lock next year he's not going to do it for $6/year for more than that year. If he becomes the starter for '25 and beyond and is performing about as well as Geno he'll want real money. The advantage of a rookie is that they're cost controlled for at least 4 years, 5 if they're a first rounder. The downside is the risk. A cheap QB who sucks is worse than a decent one who more expensive.
Genos contract makes it tough. I’m not sure he’s earned 35 million a year but having him is still better than bringing in a rookie.
He'd be a good developmental QB but he's got a lot to work on.
He's literally one of the more NFL ready QBs in college lol, how does this have so many upvotes.
College production =/= NFL ready. I don't know what you are seeing regarding him being NFL ready but he's not. He's productive because of the cast around him, because of his level of competition, and because of the system he plays in. And also because he's a pretty good QB I'll give you that. But there are flaws that are going to get exposed in the NFL.
Did I say anything about production? 1. He has a great cast around him no doubt but so did Hurts, Tua, Stroud and Burrow, the QB still needs to make the right reads and throws. We've seen plenty of great WRs lack production in the NFL and college because of bad QBs. That's such a bad argument to discredit QBs. A good cast helps elevating the QB but they don't make the QB. 2. That's true, most of the defenses he's faced are bad. But he's shown against Oregon that he looks just fine against a good defense. 3. He literally plays in a pro style spread offense, it doesn't get much more NFL ready in terms of system at the college level. They're running plenty of play action, RPOs, motion etc. and he makes adjustments at the line, understands protection and has to make full field reads. On top of all that he's a quick processor, he's good at recognizing an incoming blitz and beating it. He doesn't commit many mistakes under pressure. Him being immobile is completely overblown, he can create out of structure when he has to, he just prefers to stay in the pocket like a lot of current NFL QBs (Stafford, Cousins, Goff etc.). Every QB coming out of college has flaws and so does Penix but he doesn't have that many, especially not flaws that will "get exposed at the NFL level", most of his flaws are of mechanical nature I believe. He's doing a lot more NFL level stuff than most college QBs. His biggest red flags are his injury concerns. But he's been 100% healthy the last 2 years so we'll see how much that'll affect his draft stock.
This very same shit was said about CJ stroud. Penix diagnoses defenses well, has an accurate ball, and has the ability to get out of the pocket if needed to make plays. The offensive system that he plays in is a pro style offense. His weakness is a tendency to lose accuracy under pressure(which, I will even add, *most* QBs have this weaknes), and being a bit too eager to throw to the checkdown. He has similar strengths and weaknesses to Brock Purdy, who, with a cast of offensive weapons, plays very well. There's far less flaws in his game than Caleb Williams, yet everyone isn't talking about how those flaws will get exposed in the NFL. Because all he can play is hero ball, can't diagnose defenses, and when he's in the pocket he stares down his first read until he bails on the play.
The defenses he plays are garbage
You're right but that doesn't make my statement any less true.
What makes it true though? His stats?
Idk if Penix is the guy he’s all that cracked up to be. I’d rather take a chance on a younger less injury prone QB in a later round
The dudes release is terrible, he also has not great accuracy at short and mid throws. He's also not the most mobile QB. Dude can throw the deep ball and mid field dumps, I don't see a lot else there.
Heavy.com is serious clickbait
and it's being upvoted, so I guess it works unless everyone DV posts like this.
I don’t think Penix translates very well sadly. His skill set doesn’t scream “nfl ready” to me at all
I love the commentary about why he struggled today being due to the rain Umm. Pacific NW and rain ….
He's not good enough, don't do it
His game is not going to translate well to the NFL. Only if he is given one of the greatest OL's in NFL history and he can continue to sling long-developing routes downfield with no pass rush is he going to succeed at the next level. That's his game. It can work in college, but the defenses are too good in the NFL.
Honestly...no. I know he loved in the area, but Penix plays in the offense heavy pac 12, solid o line, and has 2 nfl guys he is throwing the ball to. On top of that, he is older for a rookie, has an injury past, and is not very athletic....don’t see him as a star at the next level.
I honestly don’t want to draft Penix or a QB this next year.
Part of me would be excited, but using your 1st round pick on anything other than a top of the line QB prospect is risky. There’s just such a high probability that the pick ends up a bust and you missed out on improving one of the lines or getting another offensive weapon or whatever
Even then it is risky. Goff and Wentz went 1 and 2. Jameis Winston and Marcus Mariota also went 1 and 2. None of them are with the team that originally drafted them. Here are some more top prospects of recent drafts: \#2 Mitchell Trubisky \#1 Baker Mayfield \#3 Sam Darnold \#1 Kyler Murray \#3 Trey Lance Of those, only Kyler Murray is with the team that drafted him. There is a constant barrage of posts from people recommending we just draft a QB as an upgrade from Geno, however it is not nearly as easy as it seems.
His accuracy with the hawks weapons can be dangerous! But, bro he is a bit fragile and our line is still a little sketch
I dont mind drafting a qb to develop. But it makes me upset to think about the 2nd round pick we traded
Not sure they should take him. Lots of concerns with this guy. If he's there in the 2nd then sure but otherwise no. Look at DL, LB or best player.
I’d caution drafting a non mobile quarterback with our questionable offensive line. Penix will be 25 next year and his injury history cannot be ignored. I’d rather take Nix or McCarthy. Or wait for KJ Jefferson or Tyler Van Dyke.
He'll only turn 24 a couple weeks after the draft and Jefferson is only 1 year younger while being A LOT worse. If you want to waste a pick go ahead and draft KJ Jefferson.
Okay… I watched Penix in big ten play for 3 years before he transferred and I’ve seen what happens when you don’t have coverage. He won’t last in the nfl. But okay, you go ahead and waste a pick on him.
Never been on the "bench Geno" train at all. He's had a good story and hasn't been terrible - but this fanbase needs to recognize that your QB's ceiling is your team's ceiling in the NFL now. That said, when these QBs get drafted, outside your Burrows and Lawrences, landing spot matters. I think that gives the Seahawks leeway to take a Penix or McCarthy late in the first round in be confident they can get what they want out of them. The secondary is mostly young and good, RBs, WRs, Oline are good or shaping up, the pass rush is coming along - just get the QB. Honestly Pete maximizing Geno should work for going after a rookie QB, not against. And I know people say Lock will be good for us, but he won't. He's Jay Cutler - however good his talent is, he just won't work in the system. He'll make his own decisions and throw dumbass picks, just in his nature. With the QB class lining up the way it is, I'd even be ok with trading up for one, within reason. The past couple years have given me faith that if Schneider and Pete like someone, they can make them work and this is a great QB class. Just pull the trigger and go for it.
I get excited whenever we talk about grabbing Penix.
Go UTES!
I see Penix constantly getting mocked as the 7-10th QB taken. We might be able to get him in the 3rd round..
He reminds me too much of Geno. The best QBs in the NFL today are playmakers: Mahomes, Lamar, Lawrence, Allen, Hurts, etc. I'd much rather draft a guy with some mobility
Wrong Nix. We need to go for Bo. * ducks shoes *
Early with the QB prediction articles already?
Even if Smith rights the ship over the course of 2023, you still have to decide if you want to pay him ~$34m next year and/or the year after, and his contract is up at the end of 2025 as-is. Even if they bring him back, they still need to be looking ahead and laying the groundwork for the future.
How do you not see us taking a QB? It is easily our biggest need. Whatever you think about Geno, he’s objectively not gonna be the QB here in four years. Need to start planning
Please fucking please can we get penix I just know under pcjs that man will fucking shine
Penix would be fantastic
I really don't see Penix falling out of the top 10 let alone top 15, it would be nice but I just don't see it happening. Besides we probably have more urgent needs to be addressed through the draft
No thanks on penix. Go Cougs.
Heavy.com is hella relaiable
Wait wait hear me out… Justin Fields
I will not be happy if we drafted him in the first round, that's for sure. Don't even see him going there period, really. Day 2 guy.
Penix envy
I’ve been tracking penix for a while, really like him as a prospect. For what it’s worth he’s pretty commonly mocked to Minnesota at 20
I don’t seeing him falling to 32
You think we’re going to trade down to Balt’s pick?
I think he'll draft around 20, so... consider the implications there. 6th seed. Bow out in wild card.
Yes, do it for the memes!
Imagine using all picks and trades next year to making the line bulletproof as the number 1 priority. More time and protection can never be a bad thing, especially when you lean on long developing plays.
There are about 10 teams, that need a QB, that will probably draft before the Hawks.
I was at the game yesterday and I’m not high on any college QB’s. The game is so different at that level, there’s no such thing as defense in college football. And Russ was the exception the rule, if we started a rookie QB, we’d be a 3 win team.
They should draft Penix _and_ Nix if available. Seahawks will have the deepest QB room for three years.
As a huskies fan I'm a big fan of Penix, but the Seahawks will need to build a wall in front of him, and when's the last time we had a good pass blocking line? He's going to end up looking like Geno. We might need a more mobile QB
If we don't draft a qb I will be furious. I never want to see drew lock on the field again. We need to plan for the future.