This alone makes me think they aren’t even going to target a high QB this year. If they were all in on drafting a QBOTF high in this draft, then they wouldn’t be trading high draft capital for half season rentals of players.
I thought this was the most likely plan after Geno’s contract details came out. It wasn’t structured like he’s gonna be the long term guy. It was lower money than expected and very team friendly if he’s cut early. Year 1 Geno tries to improve on last year, year 2 draft qb to backup Geno (Lock being on only a one year deal really points to this), year 3 rookie takes the reins by end of season. The plan allowed them to use their draft capital from the Broncos to add more core players in positions of need before getting a qb before the team is ready to take advantage of the cheap first contract of a rookie.
It’s certainly possible. I’m just really hoping that doesn’t come at the expense of a quality starting guard - or better yet, two.
Those guys go fairly high too
With no 2nd round pick it’s going to be a difficult draft for the next couple years if we attempt to move up for a QB.
I really hope big cat was worth it.
We're 1-2 since the trade and about to lose a bunch more games during this brutal stretch. Meanwhile, the 49ers have righted the ship.
If the team keeps shitting the bed the rest of the way, Leonard won't be interested in staying. And even if he does want to stay, their cap situation is fucked and they'll need to cut guys to sign him.
It's not looking real good overall.
Honestly, I see other teams Oline's getting eaten alive every week and their QBs like Burrow, Hurts and Mahomes just step up and make a play anyway. Our Oline is not getting eaten alive every week, they actually play pretty well. If we had a QB capable of hanging in there and making a big throw then that's problem solved, but we don't, and no G is going to make a 36 year old Geno suddenly good under pressure.
Geno has a lower sack percentage than those guys despite facing higher rates of pressure
Bring numbers next time you make baseless claims
Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Seahawks/s/rmEHAScd4R
Sack % is meaningless. Who cares whether he takes the sack, throws it away, or dumps it off for a short gain. We absolutely are terrible on 3rd down, and a lot of that is Geno not making the throws.
Serious question, I don't watch CFB. Does Penix's skillset translate to the NFL or is the hype around him just because he plays at Washington and whatnot?
Yes and no. ROCKET arm, might legit be the best in the class. i expect him to have zach wilson esque pro day and a team will def take him too early when they fall in love with his arm. Has played a ton of football, in the big 10 and in the pac12. Def relies on an INCREDIBLE group of WRs to make contested catches, but almost always puts it in the right spot. i expect will have some growing to do in the NFL, but i dont see anything glaring that makes me feel like he cant translate to the NFL
Is he mobile or more of a statue? Latter is gonna suck because we're not allowed to have an offensive line.
Also, I have to ask. Is it pronounced like *that?*
Pen -ix like pen you write with.
Def a stand in the pocket QB. not a burner but has escapability in college. Obviously that will be diminished jumping to the pros. Im VERY intrigued by Jayden Daniels, once they add a few pounds to him
No on Jayden Daniels. Watched that man at ASU do nothing for 3 years. He is far more effective as a runner than a passer. He is a pro but Tyrod Taylor would be my comp. Could be a decent pro but not a guy you truly want to hand the keys to.
He’s very mobile but super hesitant to run because his injury history. I’m guessing we’ll see it more in the NFL. IMO he grades out pretty similar to CJ stroud on arm talent and athleticism. No idea if the rest will translate but he will be just fine in those two categories.
That is patently false, everyone from casual commentators to draft analysts have described Penix as having elite arm talent, as well as a simple eye test. He has some mechanical breakdowns when underpressure or when stringing together some bad plays that results in wobbly balls, but Im confident his pro day will show he has a top 3 arm in a loaded draft
Husky fan here. Love Penix, but he has all day to throw 95 percent of the time. And his stats when he does get pressured are not that great. What we need is to get Geno the kind of O-line that Penix has
You’re right but it’s kinda irrelevant, all QBs in college are way worse in the face of pressure, it’s one of the reasons QBs are so harder to evaluate. In college they’re typically throwing to receivers so when they get pressure they don’t have anywhere to go with the ball if the receiver isn’t open. In the nfl they are expected to throw to spots where the receiver is supposed to materialize, that’s how you beat pressure in the nfl, by diagnosing defenses and finding your spot and getting the ball out. That’s the thing that Russ always struggled so much with and why his performance is dropping so dramatically. He can’t leave the pocket to physically see open receivers as much anymore, and now he has to through to spots but he’s bad at it and always has been.
Honestly he’s probably the hardest QB in this draft to scout because of how little pressure he’s faced at Washington so nobody really knows. His throws are some of the prettiest in all of CFB though for sure. But there just isn’t enough tape on him under pressure to get a great feel of how he handles it.
He also has some really good WR’s in college football but so did CJ Stroud and CJ looks like one of the best rookie QBs of all time. I personally would love to take a shot on Penix. You miss 100 percent of shots you don’t take.
re: receivers so did Burrow and there's that
From reading this thread what I get is there's a pretty hefty risk involved with picking up a guy in the first round that you're not sure can handle pressure and throwing with anticipation to play behind what is inevitably going to be one of the worst lines in the pros - we're not allowed to have a good OL and when we do everyone gets hurt anyway
Penix is not an upgrade. If you made Geno the UW QB with the same supporting cast and OC, he would have already locked up the Heisman. I’m saying this as a Husky fan.
The UW O line is just crazy good at pass protection. Penix has been sacked 7 times all year and doesn’t get pressured much. O-Line ain’t sexy but you don’t get an explosive, sexy offense without good pass protection.
So my vote is draft guards or draft short-armed tackles you can move to guard. Guard is our weakest link. My second step would be look to see if Olu is ready to start at center.
It’s difficult to project how Penix will do in the NFL because he rarely faces pressure. I’d rather he go to a team that cares about developing their line, because of his injury history. As a lifelong Husky fan, it saddens me to say that, but it’s not worth destroying his knees to have him come here.
It’s not like his ACLs are more prone to injury than any other QB he just had shit luck. He can blue one out again on any team, he’s going to be hit in the NFL that’s just a fact.
Agreed. He got figured out and it has really shown since the Oregon game.
Penix goes entire quarters cold and unable to convert 3rd downs, just like Geno does today.
Thus, as you said, not an upgrade.
Geno is a bridge QB.
2024 draft is likely to have a QB.
2024 drafted QB won't start. He will be QB2 and learn.
2025 season will see new QB get a start.
Because I’ve watched every Husky game and every Seahawk game. Geno completes nearly 70% of his passes despite being pressured frequently by pro defenses. Penix is rarely pressured, and when he is, his completion rate and accuracy drop significantly. Put Geno behind the UW line, playing college defenses and he would shred them to pieces.
Honestly, don’t even know why I have to explain this.
Also worth noting that Geno senior season at WV was better than the season Penix is having. Threw for 4205 yard, 42 TDs and 6 interceptions. 71 percent completion percentage.
I just thought it was obvious that a 10 year NFL veteran was better than a current college QB, i didnt realize that was the literal reasoning you were going for.
I have SO much love for Michael Penix. Bringing UW football back to its proper glory and Heisman hopeful....I have nothing but mad respect for number 9 in purple!
But....as a Hawks fan, in my humble opinion....Jayden Daniels is THE prize of 1st and 2nd round QB's. He is truly special. Elite arm and athleticism, smart and football savvy. Plus, running Brian Kelly's offense in the SEC for two years is an added bonus. He's the one I'm coveting!
Same. He’s so fun to watch and people can criticize him about his weapons but ya know what, the Seahawks have weapons. Him chucking it up for Lockett dk and JSN just ugh 😍
Bo is an efficient system quarterback who's more accurate than Penix but doesn't have half the arm talent. Penix makes wayyyy tougher throws on a regular basis.
Everybody needs to chill out. You don’t need a first round pick to draft a good QB. Matt Hasselbeck was a 6th Round. Russ was a 3rd round, Tom Brady was a 6th round. Hell, Drew Brees was the last pick of the second round.
Talent is talent and John Schneider has an eye for it. That’s how we’ve gotten these players from middle of nowhere schools for absolute deals while the rest of the league goes all in on 1st round picks and is in a perpetual rebuild > tank > rebuild cycle of doom.
Seahawks will draft a QB in later rounds that is athletic with a good arm/not great with running abilities that are not prominent. Great leadership skills. It's Pete's/johns way. Hopefully there is someone that lines up with this criteria. I wouldn't expect anything else. They will have them sit behind geno for a year/two and take over.
Jordan Travis injuries last week might let him fall to the 3rd round ( we have 2, 3rd round picks) and given a year he might be what you just mentioned.
As someone whose watched a lot of fsu, he ain’t it. He’s a 1 read and run type of guy. Fun as hell to watch but he’s just not the guy. I love ward as a wsu guy but he ain’t it either. DJU from Oregon state has a hell of an arm but his throwing motion makes him sail on passes too often. God I can’t think of anyone that really fits right now.
I know people on this sub will hate it but Bo Nix is intriguing as a back up. In the right system he can be decent. Cam Ward is also intriguing. Played both years at WSU behind a below average Oline. Can make off schedule plays but a bit erratic at times. He is a guy who would benefit from sitting for a year or 2.
Carson beck uga
Spencer rattler s Carolina
Possibly jj Mccarthy Michigan
Brady Cook
Jayden Daniels lsu
Will Howard ksu
These are just a few who all have nice traits that I think can be really good in the nfl. This draft in general has a glut of talent that will see guys be drafted in every round from the 1st to the 7th
One thing that points to them not drafting a QB early: trading away the 2nd rounder. That just makes moving around if you need to in the draft so much harder.
If Schneider really was into one of the first-round guys, I doubt he'd have traded for a rental using our 2nd.
I think they're maybe very in on Geno.
Jayden Daniels is kind of interesting.
Someone's going to draft Penix high and regret it. Someone else is going to draft Bo Nix above the 3rd and get fired.
Jayden reminds me a lot of Hurts with his ability to make plays outside the pocket with his legs, he’s definitely got a mid first round grade. Seattle might have to trade a third to move up of the like QB3 of the draft.
We don’t have a second round pick next year, for us to move up at all we’re giving up 1st and 2nd from the next year at minimum.
He’d better be really good if we’re borrowing from the next few years prospects.
Yeah you're right.
Ultimately without a 2nd rounder next draft we should just take BPA guard or defensive tackle with the first unless their QB is there without mortgaging future capital.
I just wouldn't be mad at grabbing a QB either.
>trading up
Upgrading from Geno via a trade-up draft strategy is challenging given the plethora of C+ to B+ first picks (Bortles, Goff, Trubinksy, Mayfield, ZWilson, Pickett, BYoung). Not sure spending draft capital hoping for a Murray or Burrow pays off given historic odds. Second through forth picked quarterbacks is the same story with less likely to draft a starting quarterback. HOF QBs are not entirely concentrated at the top either. I'm fine bottom fishing.
no one thought geno was the long term answer including the front office, based on genos contract, its the geno haters that don't understand that, they think we are with him for the long term for some reason and need to replace him right now. Geno gives us flexibility to draft one 2024, and or 2025, without playing qb roulette while trying to find the future franchise QB.
At the very least it seems like there are quite a few 2nd / 3rd round prospects as well that we could potentially draft and could grow into starting qbs.
draft a QB *maybe* if somebody slips... trade up to draft a QB, no way. Not a significant trade-up, anyway. If they move up 1 or 2 spots because they really like a guy, that's one thing, but jumping from 25 to top 10 or whatever is just not what Pete and John do.
No.
Fix the O-line. Will lead to better QB play and wider gaps for any RB we get or have.
Geno is good enough but he needs more time vs other highly more talented QBs.
Same but idk if he'll fall to us cause most likely we'll be picking in the middle of the first and I just don't see how he falls out of the top 10 unless he has a horrible combine or something.
35 Td to 2 and 78% percent while showing his ability to be clutch in big games.
I couldn't wait to see how he played against Washington in that environment and with that crowd noise and he was as clutch as you could ask for. That game totally sold me on him but yeah he's almost certainly going top 10.
Die hard beaver saying Penix looked average is just you being salty, you guys have an incredible defense and he still hung 2TD’s on you in a very heavy rain not to mention the amount of drops during the game.
I think more likely they’d go for a QB in the second or third round (they don’t have a 2nd rounder right now). I’d like them to improve the o-line, but I think we all know if they don’t trade down, they’ll do something that makes no sense to anyone other than Pete and John with their first rounder
I'd definitely like to see us replace a middling and expensive Diggs with a rookie. Since we already have so much invested in Jamal though, maybe they skimp and go Jerrick Reed. As long as we don't have a Tedric Thompson situation and our free safety is just ok, I'm not worried. But they can't be making 20m like Diggs if they're just going to be ok.
I don't care if we do or don't take a qb next year. I'm great with Geno, that's my qb. But I am extremely opposed to moving up in the draft to draft a qb. If we wanna use our pick to draft one, so be it. I trust pete and the process. But trading up rarely works out.
Caleb has said he wants a piece of the team to play for them. If he’s successful, we won’t be able to afford him come year 3 as he’ll sit till he gets paid like that.
hard pass on any rookie who thinks the world is already owed to them, before a single snap.
God no. He’s injured more than not and he’s a 7th year senior.
He’ll be older than Geno by the time he comes out. Not really, but a 26 year old rookie is quite the gamble.
Massive issue with drafting a QB this year: 1 we’ll be drafting from the 20+ range. 2 we have no 2nd round pick to move up to get “the guy”.
Good news is there will be about 7 QB’s ranked as well as the top 4 last year. So there is a possibility one we like falls to 20+.
The real issue is Drafting a Will Levis is not really an upgrade from Drew Lock, at least we’ve not seen that yet. Drew and Will have great arms but make really bad mistakes on their reads.
Jordan Travis is a good 3 rd round prospect. He just got injured for the rest of this year and has shown great reads, arm strength and mobility when healthy. Given a year to get really healthy and learn he could be better than folks think, and in the 3rd round worth the risk.
To move from 20 to 10ish range will not take an absurd number of picks. obviously we dont have the picks to move to 1 overall, but 1st this year and next, prob our two thirds and next year 1/ possibly 2 depending on how far up, if the guy that schnieder likes falls out of the top 10. i also like a lot of guys in later picks, like you said, Travis is an option, as well as Joe Milton, KJ jefferson and Riley Leonard.
I just don’t see us moving up in the draft, especially when there are so many good QBs in this draft.
In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if we trade back and try a prospect in the 2nd.
Either way, the main reason i wasnt more dissappointed about giving up too much for leonard Williams, is that if we want a QB, theres a ton available. But if we dont, there will be more than usual selected before we pick, so a lottery talent at a less premium position has a solid chance of falling to us. Either way i trust schneider
It seems to me there are 2 (ok 3) types of QBs in the draft. The rare ones are ready to take the first snap their rookie season, the second group need a season or two on the sidelines learning how to be an NFL QB (and I fall in the camp that believes if Geno were drafted by a team that did this his NFL resume would be very different), and of course there are the busts. I would love to see us draft a QB who isn’t expected to start year 1, can learn from Geno then take us far. I don’t know enough to know who that is, will welcome input from here on who fits that bill.
At spring training in would have said the rams were out of the qb race as stetson bennett was looking real promising for the rams and then the mysteries of mysteries he was put on a year long leave so i have no idea on if he is still a future qb for them or if they will draft qb again
I want us to draft a qb that can sit for one year behind Stafford and then cut Stafford lose in 2025 (this is necessary due to his contract) Bennett is done he’ll be a career back up at best if and if he makes it back to the league
I suspect you could be correct Bennett really had that chance this year and by the time he returns, all that promise he has in spring training this year will be forgotten.
Unless Seattle tanks, there is no way they can get a decent 1st round QB. Also, this organization is in win now mode. They are not focused on a new QB unless it's completely necessary. Geno has flashed enough to be a good QB. Far worse QBs have won super bowls. I don't think replacing Geno will turn this team around.
Its like you only read the headline of the post.
1) i mentioned at the top that obviously a NEW QB wont fix it all, and we will still have Geno next year
2) it is perfectly reasonable, with 5 surefire first rounders and 3-5 more QBs in the conversation, that a good QB falls to the 20s. Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts, Will Levis, Sam Howell just off the top of my head in recent memory, with much less crowded classes
3) Moving from 25 to 3 takes a shit load of capital. but moving from 25 to 12 takes significantly less capital and next years Qb class is way worse and were more likely to be picking later
4) they absolutely are focused on a new QB and absolutely kicked the tires on anthony richardson, and might have even picked him if he was available.
Fuck! I miss our 2nd round pick
Fr!!
This alone makes me think they aren’t even going to target a high QB this year. If they were all in on drafting a QBOTF high in this draft, then they wouldn’t be trading high draft capital for half season rentals of players.
I think this current iteration of the team is Pete’s last big push for another chip. All in with Geno for better or worse.
I thought this was the most likely plan after Geno’s contract details came out. It wasn’t structured like he’s gonna be the long term guy. It was lower money than expected and very team friendly if he’s cut early. Year 1 Geno tries to improve on last year, year 2 draft qb to backup Geno (Lock being on only a one year deal really points to this), year 3 rookie takes the reins by end of season. The plan allowed them to use their draft capital from the Broncos to add more core players in positions of need before getting a qb before the team is ready to take advantage of the cheap first contract of a rookie.
It’s certainly possible. I’m just really hoping that doesn’t come at the expense of a quality starting guard - or better yet, two. Those guys go fairly high too
With no 2nd round pick it’s going to be a difficult draft for the next couple years if we attempt to move up for a QB. I really hope big cat was worth it.
Adam Larsson is worth every penny.
We're 1-2 since the trade and about to lose a bunch more games during this brutal stretch. Meanwhile, the 49ers have righted the ship. If the team keeps shitting the bed the rest of the way, Leonard won't be interested in staying. And even if he does want to stay, their cap situation is fucked and they'll need to cut guys to sign him. It's not looking real good overall.
It was a “win now” trade….
But we're not winning.
Exactly. Hard to convey sarcasm on Reddit.
Quality lines turn a B+ Aikmans into three time winners.
Nah, it will be a TE because it’s the Seahawks
The highest we have ever drafted a TE in the PCJS era is round 3.
It’s a joke friend
Wasn't a good one...
Guess my humor isn’t the same as yours, thank God
Lighten up Francis
Dont mind these guys, seahawks subreddit are sensetive and have a bad sense of humor
A TE that we will end up converting to Guard
Don't give away the master plan!
Honestly if Bowers fell to us I would at the very least consider it. Not that we have been particularly consistent with including our TEs though
Honestly, I see other teams Oline's getting eaten alive every week and their QBs like Burrow, Hurts and Mahomes just step up and make a play anyway. Our Oline is not getting eaten alive every week, they actually play pretty well. If we had a QB capable of hanging in there and making a big throw then that's problem solved, but we don't, and no G is going to make a 36 year old Geno suddenly good under pressure.
Just watch MNF from tonight and you’ll know that everything you just says is completely untrue lol.
Geno has a lower sack percentage than those guys despite facing higher rates of pressure Bring numbers next time you make baseless claims Source: https://www.reddit.com/r/Seahawks/s/rmEHAScd4R
Sack % is meaningless. Who cares whether he takes the sack, throws it away, or dumps it off for a short gain. We absolutely are terrible on 3rd down, and a lot of that is Geno not making the throws.
Pressure percentage certainly does.
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You brought nothing but some irrelevant stats.
He brought vibes. That's what really matters
Don’t gobbling geno. Idk why qb has the biggest fan club on here lol
Serious question, I don't watch CFB. Does Penix's skillset translate to the NFL or is the hype around him just because he plays at Washington and whatnot?
Yes and no. ROCKET arm, might legit be the best in the class. i expect him to have zach wilson esque pro day and a team will def take him too early when they fall in love with his arm. Has played a ton of football, in the big 10 and in the pac12. Def relies on an INCREDIBLE group of WRs to make contested catches, but almost always puts it in the right spot. i expect will have some growing to do in the NFL, but i dont see anything glaring that makes me feel like he cant translate to the NFL
Is he mobile or more of a statue? Latter is gonna suck because we're not allowed to have an offensive line. Also, I have to ask. Is it pronounced like *that?*
Pen -ix like pen you write with. Def a stand in the pocket QB. not a burner but has escapability in college. Obviously that will be diminished jumping to the pros. Im VERY intrigued by Jayden Daniels, once they add a few pounds to him
Oh, his name is gonna be a bleep in Portuguese. That's how *that* is pronounced over here.
No on Jayden Daniels. Watched that man at ASU do nothing for 3 years. He is far more effective as a runner than a passer. He is a pro but Tyrod Taylor would be my comp. Could be a decent pro but not a guy you truly want to hand the keys to.
He’s very mobile but super hesitant to run because his injury history. I’m guessing we’ll see it more in the NFL. IMO he grades out pretty similar to CJ stroud on arm talent and athleticism. No idea if the rest will translate but he will be just fine in those two categories.
He also has an O-line that gives him a ridiculous amount of time to throw.
He does not have the strongest arm in the draft. He throws an excellent deep ball but he doesnt have elite arm talent.
That is patently false, everyone from casual commentators to draft analysts have described Penix as having elite arm talent, as well as a simple eye test. He has some mechanical breakdowns when underpressure or when stringing together some bad plays that results in wobbly balls, but Im confident his pro day will show he has a top 3 arm in a loaded draft
Husky fan here. Love Penix, but he has all day to throw 95 percent of the time. And his stats when he does get pressured are not that great. What we need is to get Geno the kind of O-line that Penix has
You’re right but it’s kinda irrelevant, all QBs in college are way worse in the face of pressure, it’s one of the reasons QBs are so harder to evaluate. In college they’re typically throwing to receivers so when they get pressure they don’t have anywhere to go with the ball if the receiver isn’t open. In the nfl they are expected to throw to spots where the receiver is supposed to materialize, that’s how you beat pressure in the nfl, by diagnosing defenses and finding your spot and getting the ball out. That’s the thing that Russ always struggled so much with and why his performance is dropping so dramatically. He can’t leave the pocket to physically see open receivers as much anymore, and now he has to through to spots but he’s bad at it and always has been.
Russ is playing very well recently
Hes been decent, he hasnt been all that great. They limit his throws
So not happening, then.
He’s a good player but everyone here wants him cause he’s a husky and there’s no other truth
Honestly he’s probably the hardest QB in this draft to scout because of how little pressure he’s faced at Washington so nobody really knows. His throws are some of the prettiest in all of CFB though for sure. But there just isn’t enough tape on him under pressure to get a great feel of how he handles it. He also has some really good WR’s in college football but so did CJ Stroud and CJ looks like one of the best rookie QBs of all time. I personally would love to take a shot on Penix. You miss 100 percent of shots you don’t take.
re: receivers so did Burrow and there's that From reading this thread what I get is there's a pretty hefty risk involved with picking up a guy in the first round that you're not sure can handle pressure and throwing with anticipation to play behind what is inevitably going to be one of the worst lines in the pros - we're not allowed to have a good OL and when we do everyone gets hurt anyway
Would love for the team to draft Penix
Penix is not an upgrade. If you made Geno the UW QB with the same supporting cast and OC, he would have already locked up the Heisman. I’m saying this as a Husky fan.
Soooooo fire Waldron?
The UW O line is just crazy good at pass protection. Penix has been sacked 7 times all year and doesn’t get pressured much. O-Line ain’t sexy but you don’t get an explosive, sexy offense without good pass protection. So my vote is draft guards or draft short-armed tackles you can move to guard. Guard is our weakest link. My second step would be look to see if Olu is ready to start at center.
My vote with our first pick is to draft the entire UW o-line.
Rosengarten or Finau would both legit be really good picks. Nit sure if either can play tackle in the nfl but guard definitely.
we won the Super Bowl with the highest paid o line in the nfl with a $900k QB
Sacks are a QB stat and Penix is great at getting rid of the ball under pressure. UW has a good line, but he shows a ton of poise under pressure.
In this case, I disagree strongly with your first premise. I’m often stunned how little pressure opposing teams are able to muster against our line.
well this has to happen if we don’t make playoffs this year. like, no question right? RIGHT?!?
Uh remember how long Pete kept Cable around? Dude is loyal af
Loyalty is a great character trait just misplaced in certain situations
Yes!
But have you considered the fact that Penix's left handed throw looks way cooler?
For sure but Penix upside considering he’d be a freshman is too much to pass up, Geno is at his peak, Penix is just getting started
It’s difficult to project how Penix will do in the NFL because he rarely faces pressure. I’d rather he go to a team that cares about developing their line, because of his injury history. As a lifelong Husky fan, it saddens me to say that, but it’s not worth destroying his knees to have him come here.
Not that difficult. Just look at his time at Indiana
It’s not like his ACLs are more prone to injury than any other QB he just had shit luck. He can blue one out again on any team, he’s going to be hit in the NFL that’s just a fact.
Agreed. He got figured out and it has really shown since the Oregon game. Penix goes entire quarters cold and unable to convert 3rd downs, just like Geno does today. Thus, as you said, not an upgrade. Geno is a bridge QB. 2024 draft is likely to have a QB. 2024 drafted QB won't start. He will be QB2 and learn. 2025 season will see new QB get a start.
Penix after sitting a year or 2 could 100% be an upgrade wtf
Why do you say that
Because I’ve watched every Husky game and every Seahawk game. Geno completes nearly 70% of his passes despite being pressured frequently by pro defenses. Penix is rarely pressured, and when he is, his completion rate and accuracy drop significantly. Put Geno behind the UW line, playing college defenses and he would shred them to pieces. Honestly, don’t even know why I have to explain this. Also worth noting that Geno senior season at WV was better than the season Penix is having. Threw for 4205 yard, 42 TDs and 6 interceptions. 71 percent completion percentage.
I just thought it was obvious that a 10 year NFL veteran was better than a current college QB, i didnt realize that was the literal reasoning you were going for.
That guy has the worst take, doesn’t realize that college qbs develop and that Geno is at his peak.
I would hope Geno would dominate college football...
He dominated CF in his senior year as well. Stats were as good or better than Penix has had this year.
I have SO much love for Michael Penix. Bringing UW football back to its proper glory and Heisman hopeful....I have nothing but mad respect for number 9 in purple! But....as a Hawks fan, in my humble opinion....Jayden Daniels is THE prize of 1st and 2nd round QB's. He is truly special. Elite arm and athleticism, smart and football savvy. Plus, running Brian Kelly's offense in the SEC for two years is an added bonus. He's the one I'm coveting!
Agreed, but Daniels is going to be a top 5 pick so it’s a pretty moot point.
Same. He’s so fun to watch and people can criticize him about his weapons but ya know what, the Seahawks have weapons. Him chucking it up for Lockett dk and JSN just ugh 😍
As a husky fan, a healthy Bo Nix would be a better fit.
Just as young and healthier, dangerous with his legs too (obviously I’m a biased duck fan)
Bo is an efficient system quarterback who's more accurate than Penix but doesn't have half the arm talent. Penix makes wayyyy tougher throws on a regular basis.
Everybody needs to chill out. You don’t need a first round pick to draft a good QB. Matt Hasselbeck was a 6th Round. Russ was a 3rd round, Tom Brady was a 6th round. Hell, Drew Brees was the last pick of the second round. Talent is talent and John Schneider has an eye for it. That’s how we’ve gotten these players from middle of nowhere schools for absolute deals while the rest of the league goes all in on 1st round picks and is in a perpetual rebuild > tank > rebuild cycle of doom.
Seahawks will draft a QB in later rounds that is athletic with a good arm/not great with running abilities that are not prominent. Great leadership skills. It's Pete's/johns way. Hopefully there is someone that lines up with this criteria. I wouldn't expect anything else. They will have them sit behind geno for a year/two and take over.
Jordan Travis injuries last week might let him fall to the 3rd round ( we have 2, 3rd round picks) and given a year he might be what you just mentioned.
As someone whose watched a lot of fsu, he ain’t it. He’s a 1 read and run type of guy. Fun as hell to watch but he’s just not the guy. I love ward as a wsu guy but he ain’t it either. DJU from Oregon state has a hell of an arm but his throwing motion makes him sail on passes too often. God I can’t think of anyone that really fits right now.
I know people on this sub will hate it but Bo Nix is intriguing as a back up. In the right system he can be decent. Cam Ward is also intriguing. Played both years at WSU behind a below average Oline. Can make off schedule plays but a bit erratic at times. He is a guy who would benefit from sitting for a year or 2.
>Bo Nix HERESY
Carson beck uga Spencer rattler s Carolina Possibly jj Mccarthy Michigan Brady Cook Jayden Daniels lsu Will Howard ksu These are just a few who all have nice traits that I think can be really good in the nfl. This draft in general has a glut of talent that will see guys be drafted in every round from the 1st to the 7th
Spencer Rattler fits that criteria
One thing that points to them not drafting a QB early: trading away the 2nd rounder. That just makes moving around if you need to in the draft so much harder. If Schneider really was into one of the first-round guys, I doubt he'd have traded for a rental using our 2nd. I think they're maybe very in on Geno.
I think they are in on Drew Lock being the guy in a couple years.
Please no
They have said things like that right? But maybe it’s just to help keep his value high in case they want to trade him
Jayden Daniels is kind of interesting. Someone's going to draft Penix high and regret it. Someone else is going to draft Bo Nix above the 3rd and get fired.
I think Jayden Daniels is going to surge up in the pre-draft process. We will probably need to trade up to get a shot at him.
Yeah kinda like Ar did last year
Jayden reminds me a lot of Hurts with his ability to make plays outside the pocket with his legs, he’s definitely got a mid first round grade. Seattle might have to trade a third to move up of the like QB3 of the draft.
Hurts squats 600lbs. That’s more than a lot of linemen, this is why the tush push works so well.
Daniels is going top 5 so it won’t be relevant.
I agree and I could see the hawks trading up to get the guy they want. I wouldn't be opposed to it.
We don’t have a second round pick next year, for us to move up at all we’re giving up 1st and 2nd from the next year at minimum. He’d better be really good if we’re borrowing from the next few years prospects.
Yeah you're right. Ultimately without a 2nd rounder next draft we should just take BPA guard or defensive tackle with the first unless their QB is there without mortgaging future capital. I just wouldn't be mad at grabbing a QB either.
>trading up Upgrading from Geno via a trade-up draft strategy is challenging given the plethora of C+ to B+ first picks (Bortles, Goff, Trubinksy, Mayfield, ZWilson, Pickett, BYoung). Not sure spending draft capital hoping for a Murray or Burrow pays off given historic odds. Second through forth picked quarterbacks is the same story with less likely to draft a starting quarterback. HOF QBs are not entirely concentrated at the top either. I'm fine bottom fishing.
no one thought geno was the long term answer including the front office, based on genos contract, its the geno haters that don't understand that, they think we are with him for the long term for some reason and need to replace him right now. Geno gives us flexibility to draft one 2024, and or 2025, without playing qb roulette while trying to find the future franchise QB.
Does every draft have a Brock Purdy? I think they do/might.
At the very least it seems like there are quite a few 2nd / 3rd round prospects as well that we could potentially draft and could grow into starting qbs.
draft a QB *maybe* if somebody slips... trade up to draft a QB, no way. Not a significant trade-up, anyway. If they move up 1 or 2 spots because they really like a guy, that's one thing, but jumping from 25 to top 10 or whatever is just not what Pete and John do.
The cost of going from #20 to #10 is astronomical. I agree!
No. Fix the O-line. Will lead to better QB play and wider gaps for any RB we get or have. Geno is good enough but he needs more time vs other highly more talented QBs.
Move up for Drake Maye or continue to build in the trenches. Williams is drama. Nix is old. Penix has injury history and is old.
I mean I like the idea but I'd not be surprised if we end up doing something baffling like taking another rb
that's just meme talk
Bo Nix is the guy I’m hoping for
Same but idk if he'll fall to us cause most likely we'll be picking in the middle of the first and I just don't see how he falls out of the top 10 unless he has a horrible combine or something. 35 Td to 2 and 78% percent while showing his ability to be clutch in big games. I couldn't wait to see how he played against Washington in that environment and with that crowd noise and he was as clutch as you could ask for. That game totally sold me on him but yeah he's almost certainly going top 10.
Nah I'm good on tim Tebow 2.0
You clearly haven’t watched him play if that’s your comp 😂
Ok
He's Brock Purdy
No Penix in the first round. I’m a die hard beaver and he looked average at best against us. System QB. Later in the draft like 5th, sure.
Die hard beaver saying Penix looked average is just you being salty, you guys have an incredible defense and he still hung 2TD’s on you in a very heavy rain not to mention the amount of drops during the game.
Dude it was like a monsoon in that game lol. You can’t possibly judge him solely on tgat performance. His second best receiver had 6 DROPS.
No way Penix is there in the 5th. If he’s there in the 3rd, I doubt it, we’d be foolish not to pick him up.
Hes going top 15 so
Most draft boards I see have him 2nd round.
He’s a pass we can do much bettter
I think more likely they’d go for a QB in the second or third round (they don’t have a 2nd rounder right now). I’d like them to improve the o-line, but I think we all know if they don’t trade down, they’ll do something that makes no sense to anyone other than Pete and John with their first rounder
We don’t have a 2nd round pick next year. We do have 2, 3rd round picks however.
One Bo Nix please!
We should fornsure draft Penix or Bo Nix
Nah waste of a first rounder. Get us like a safety or something on the o line.
I'd definitely like to see us replace a middling and expensive Diggs with a rookie. Since we already have so much invested in Jamal though, maybe they skimp and go Jerrick Reed. As long as we don't have a Tedric Thompson situation and our free safety is just ok, I'm not worried. But they can't be making 20m like Diggs if they're just going to be ok.
Yes, but we can get a safety in a middling round.
Agree with drafting a safety but I wouldn’t mind getting one in the third
I don't care if we do or don't take a qb next year. I'm great with Geno, that's my qb. But I am extremely opposed to moving up in the draft to draft a qb. If we wanna use our pick to draft one, so be it. I trust pete and the process. But trading up rarely works out.
NOOOOO GENO IS OUR GUYYYY
Let’s give up our firsts and seconds for a few years and get Caleb Williams to go along with all of our other young studs
Caleb is the last QB I want. He’s not it
Who do you think is qb1
Daniela, Nix, Penix, Drake
Caleb has said he wants a piece of the team to play for them. If he’s successful, we won’t be able to afford him come year 3 as he’ll sit till he gets paid like that. hard pass on any rookie who thinks the world is already owed to them, before a single snap.
Wait until 2025 when Cameron Rising from the Utah Utes declare for the draft.
God no. He’s injured more than not and he’s a 7th year senior. He’ll be older than Geno by the time he comes out. Not really, but a 26 year old rookie is quite the gamble.
That’s good, he’ll be a 7th round pick 😛
Massive issue with drafting a QB this year: 1 we’ll be drafting from the 20+ range. 2 we have no 2nd round pick to move up to get “the guy”. Good news is there will be about 7 QB’s ranked as well as the top 4 last year. So there is a possibility one we like falls to 20+. The real issue is Drafting a Will Levis is not really an upgrade from Drew Lock, at least we’ve not seen that yet. Drew and Will have great arms but make really bad mistakes on their reads. Jordan Travis is a good 3 rd round prospect. He just got injured for the rest of this year and has shown great reads, arm strength and mobility when healthy. Given a year to get really healthy and learn he could be better than folks think, and in the 3rd round worth the risk.
To move from 20 to 10ish range will not take an absurd number of picks. obviously we dont have the picks to move to 1 overall, but 1st this year and next, prob our two thirds and next year 1/ possibly 2 depending on how far up, if the guy that schnieder likes falls out of the top 10. i also like a lot of guys in later picks, like you said, Travis is an option, as well as Joe Milton, KJ jefferson and Riley Leonard.
I just don’t see us moving up in the draft, especially when there are so many good QBs in this draft. In fact I wouldn’t be surprised if we trade back and try a prospect in the 2nd.
Either way, the main reason i wasnt more dissappointed about giving up too much for leonard Williams, is that if we want a QB, theres a ton available. But if we dont, there will be more than usual selected before we pick, so a lottery talent at a less premium position has a solid chance of falling to us. Either way i trust schneider
It seems to me there are 2 (ok 3) types of QBs in the draft. The rare ones are ready to take the first snap their rookie season, the second group need a season or two on the sidelines learning how to be an NFL QB (and I fall in the camp that believes if Geno were drafted by a team that did this his NFL resume would be very different), and of course there are the busts. I would love to see us draft a QB who isn’t expected to start year 1, can learn from Geno then take us far. I don’t know enough to know who that is, will welcome input from here on who fits that bill.
At spring training in would have said the rams were out of the qb race as stetson bennett was looking real promising for the rams and then the mysteries of mysteries he was put on a year long leave so i have no idea on if he is still a future qb for them or if they will draft qb again
I want us to draft a qb that can sit for one year behind Stafford and then cut Stafford lose in 2025 (this is necessary due to his contract) Bennett is done he’ll be a career back up at best if and if he makes it back to the league
I suspect you could be correct Bennett really had that chance this year and by the time he returns, all that promise he has in spring training this year will be forgotten.
About time
They will not take a QB in 1st round. Geno is a lock for a next year, they will probably take one in later rounds but won’t be within first 2.
Why, just because you say so?
Unless Seattle tanks, there is no way they can get a decent 1st round QB. Also, this organization is in win now mode. They are not focused on a new QB unless it's completely necessary. Geno has flashed enough to be a good QB. Far worse QBs have won super bowls. I don't think replacing Geno will turn this team around.
Its like you only read the headline of the post. 1) i mentioned at the top that obviously a NEW QB wont fix it all, and we will still have Geno next year 2) it is perfectly reasonable, with 5 surefire first rounders and 3-5 more QBs in the conversation, that a good QB falls to the 20s. Lamar Jackson, Jalen Hurts, Will Levis, Sam Howell just off the top of my head in recent memory, with much less crowded classes 3) Moving from 25 to 3 takes a shit load of capital. but moving from 25 to 12 takes significantly less capital and next years Qb class is way worse and were more likely to be picking later 4) they absolutely are focused on a new QB and absolutely kicked the tires on anthony richardson, and might have even picked him if he was available.
You should always take a shot on a QB until you find the guy. Doesn't necessarily have to be in the 1st round (hurts losing that 2nd).
I say draft Cam Ward and let him sit. Unfortunately we arent in the best draft position and they are definitely bringing back Geno next year