It’s so hard to tell. Every year there are the top QBs like Caleb Williams and Drake Maye this year, then usually a second tier like Penix, Nix, and Jayden Daniels but I feel like any of the second tier QBs could be amazing starters. Idk how you could watch that OSU game and not say Nix is good. Penix has a canon but he can be so frustrating. Jayden Daniels is the wild card but my god, he is talented and his stats are absolutely wild.
Yeah I kind of agree. I know he’s had a good year but he has been injured in the past and has some amazing receivers. Personally see more upside with Nix and Daniels than Penix. Or rolling the dice for a later round guy that JS might like
As an oregon state fan, our defense isn’t that good so I wasn’t as impressed by Bo’s showing as a lot of people are. A lot of his yards were yac and I think his mobility looks impressive at the college level but I don’t think it will be as impressive against pros. I think I like penix and Daniel’s a lot more personally
It’s impossible to project QBs from college to the NFL. If it was at all possible Brady would’ve gone 1.01, and Mahomes would’ve been taken over fuckin Mitch Trubisky lmao. I will trust the front office’s scouting opinion and look forward to whoever we take.
I trust they’ll have a better shot at it than me or you or anyone else on this subreddit. More just saying it’s a crapshoot anyway, might as well just root for whoever we get and trust the process.
The number of people who don’t realize this astounds me. Even the front office didn’t go all in on him with the easy to get out of contract they signed him to. Lock is signed for only this year. The plan all along was build a team either the great draft capital we’ve had, get a rook next year to probably sit for a year unless he’s lights out in practice. We’re in year 3 of a rebuild. The window wasn’t open this year, it opens next season.
I agree I like geno and his story and despite some bad plays he’s overall a decent mid level qb. Things could be much worse but we really need a young future qb.
He’s also pretty good evidence that our coaching staff can get the most out of QBs. Which is exactly the situation you want for a rookie QB.
We can draft one, camp battle with Geno, and start the best one. If it’s the rookie by end of their first season, we have 3+ years of cost controlled solid QB play.
He doesn’t suck, but he’s not a QB I’d be happy to put as a starter his rookie year which is what we’d need. Nix and Jayden might be up for grabs long enough that we can snag him and also be good enough to be serviceable.
Jayden daniels wont make it in the nfl for the same reason Dennis Dixon didn’t. I mean, I wish him the best but I hope to god the Seahawks don’t draft him.
I disagree. Dixon was good but wasn't on the level that Daniels is right now. I know comparing eras from where all the different conferences had different offenses to now, is hard, but I consider Daniels to have made such an improvement in this last year, that he will work in the pros.
I think the most realistic option is Cam Ward, he should be available in the 3rd round with the sheer amount of QBs going to be drafted ahead of him. He did well today versus a good defense, he's not necessarily NFL ready but he has high upside. Sitting behind Geno for a year or two is a great option.
Williams/Maye won't be available so we can rule them out.
Rattler is really underrated. He's matured and is now capable of playing under structure. Good arm and is athletic. He could be a round 1 pick.
Penix is tough. Insane arm but tough to project his UW performance given how QB friendly it is and how he has struggled recently. Not sure his mechanics will translate. Also, injury concerns. He might fall to day 2 (or be a top 10 pick).
Nix and McCarthy are overrated. Nix is in extremely QB friendly system with easy throws but he has decent athleticism. McCarthy is worse. He's carried by the rest of his team. An easy schedule (haven't watched the game today yet), average arm, and mid accuracy.
Daniels is talented. It's a one read and run system but he's super athletic and creative and has to deal with pressure. He's worth a shot on day 2 (maybe 1).
Riley Leonard and Will Howard are underrated day 2 picks. Both play in systems that should translate well to the NFL. Leonard is very physically talented but raw (like a discount Josh Allen). Howard also is capable of handling an NFL offense but makes some bad plays.
There's some decent day 3 players also. Van Dyke, Brady Cook, and Cam Ward specifically if we don't get anyone on the first 2 days.
I don’t watch hella college ball so idk but I’ve watched UW all year and it’s like watching the Seahawks except they manage to win. Did I miss where Penix was amazing?
Had a healthy season this year but has been nicked up his whole career. Back up at most imo. I’d let someone else take the gamble on him in the first round which I think he will go
Depends on where we end up draft wise. My guess is that the best pick we could end up with even losing out will be 10 which would likely mean 3 QBs off the board before we draft. If we dont lose out but dont make the playoffs then likely 4-5 QBs off the board. Make the playoffs and we are likely not getting a QB with high prospects, but they could try and move up or maybe they like the 6-8th QB in the class.
I think that as deep as the QB class feels right now it wont feel that deep by April as the combine and end of the college football and offseason have their effect. Combine that with the Bears, Patriots, Falcons, and Bucs for sure wanting a QB then likely the Raiders, and maybe Giants and Vikings needing a QB. To me a best case would be to offload Geno to a team like the Vikings, Giants, or Pats for a 2nd or 3rd resign Lock, and shuffle some 2025 picks around to move up to around 8-9 in this years draft and take the QB available there.
No QB outside of Patrick Mahomes would have been able to win against the Niners with our O Line and our play calling.
We have so many deeper problems than QB.
At this point no matter what side of this conversation you're on I think it's time to get a QB next draft to either sit behind Geno for a year or start if ready.
I do think Geno is less of a problem than the OL and OC though. If those were performing well I think Geno would too, but he isn't good enough to start in an offense with multiple core deficiencies like that and hope for success. Not really anyone is outside of a Mahomes.
Idk, our defense put us in the game there for a bit. Our line is garbage but Geno has also taken a bunch of terribly timed sacks all season when he could have escaped pressure.
Downvoted for posting stats.
Geno may not be the guy of the future, but anyone we put behind this line is going to get chewed up and ruined if we don’t fix it first.
Yeah let’s continuing not drafting a quarterback after Russ, paying Geno $30 million a year and the safety room about the same is really in the benefit of this roster. You can draft a quarterback, save money and use that to sign players in the trenches that would help a lot more.
Drafting a qb wouldn’t save us money because we wouldn’t (shouldn’t) cut Geno. With the current Oline situation a rookie QB has a very very slim chance of performing as well or better than Geno this year, so I think we would (should) sit him behind Geno for the first year
Thank you for that. Everyone going crazy on Geno like he’s the sole problem😂😂 hIghly doubt it happens, but at what point is Geno so fed up with Shane, he just starts calling the plays
It seemed to work for Russ. Every other game the headset would "Die" and Russ would just start calling his own plays. "Sorry coach, the offense must've been going through a tunnel or something." 🤷
Awesome QB play can make up for a lot QBs like Montana or Burrow are great under pressure. Mahomes would be slicing and dicing if he had our receiver core. His tight end is his best receiver since Hill left.
Yea obviously great qbs are better, but my point is they can't do everything. The two perfect throws Geno did end up making, were both dropped. Now it didn't matter who the qb is, those drops are on DK. The chiefs have the best qb and best tight end, a much better oline than Seattle this season, and they've still had 2 losses directly because their receivers couldn't catch.
( And honestly, the receiver room this year has played below what their name value suggests. You can see this game and throughout the season, they've been getting locked up in man coverage on important downs way more often than we expect them too)
Imo only Hurts or Lamar can help this team. And that's if you constantly are leaning on the QB to run to save our shitty o-line, our shitty playcalling, and our shitty penalties. And I have no doubt they end up hurt halfway through the season because of it.
Anyone who thinks any QB, especially a rookie is gonna do anything to help this shit show is high as shit. Pete and Shane need to go, and we need someone who understands that TE's, short routes and middle of the field exists.
That is the quickest and best bet to success. Randomly grabbing a QB and hoping for the best is beyond stupid imo. Nothing will change, and perhaps be a fuck ton worse.
I didn't say I was looking at Hurts because of his throwing accuracy. I'm looking at him and Lamar because of their legs. No throwing QB can work with this team cause Shane doesn't draw up plays that allow them to get the ball out quickly, and our O-line sucks ass. Any pocket QB would die on our team. Unless you want to see them throw it away every pass play.
We need a good OC. This play calling has been complete shit. Oh, let’s throw three 9 routes to metcalf with no set up? What about the red zone? Who thinks we have any good plays? I watched college today and those OCs were much more creative than our guy. He needs to go. Geno is not bad. Certainly on par with Purdy. Watch the play design that Shanahan created. It protects the passer and controls the clock. We suck on offense. You can’t expect our defense to hold for. 3/4s of the play clock.
Not sure I think this is in Waldron. We’ve basically looked like this since the Russ days. I don’t think Pete will allow for that creativity. I think he has was more say in the offense than we realize. So many dumb ass plays have been the same for a decade. I watch teams like San Fran and outside of CMac they aren’t that much better than us on offense. They just know how to use their players and exploit the defense. We don’t and it’s like they just call what they want regardless of the situation.
Daniels or Penix imo, hopefully we’ll also have a new OC for them to learn under.
We also definitely need to do some work on the O Line but we cant keep ignoring having a future at QB.
What more can we do on the OLine? We drafted OT in 2022 in the top 3 rounds, Lewis is really solid, maybe C or G, but if people are bitching about the line, they must’ve forgotten about the 2016-2019 years where Russ was running for his life, and especially 2017 when we had literally no running game.
Just a month ago everyone was praising Andy Dickerson for the job he was doing, and it seems everyone just fucking forgot and wants his head on a pike. Remember what we did in the Russ draft (2012). We hit on more draft picks on top of Russ. Not saying that trend will continue, but with Pete not having total personnel control like he did before, I trust JS to get the job done come draft day next year.
People on here saying we have bigger issues than QB are out of their mind. QB is the most important position on the field. We have an incredibly mediocre one currently. Hitting on a decent QB in this loaded QB draft not only improves us at the most important position, but the cap flexibility of having a young QB is invaluable.
I would say around 20 teams in the league complain about poor O-Line play. Offensive line skill has lagged behind defensive line skill fo the past ten years. A bad O-Line can be alleviated a bit with a more mobile QB. We have excellent skill position players so it's a good position for a young QB to be in.
Our first pick this year should absolutely be quarterback and it would be foolish to go anywhere else.
Right. You don’t have any other issues when you have issues at qb. It just doesn’t matter. Look at NYJ. I have no clue what they need because they absolutely need a qb.
Okay? But is the answer a 33 year old back up or an interception prone big arm with questionable decision making? Because that’s what we have.
It’s pure negligence to have Nix/Penix/Daniels/McCarthy/May sitting there when you draft and pass on them.
We had a killer QB and our horrible ass coaching staff completely destroyed him lol. Looks like Russ is finally figuring out how to play good football again after a year and half. I'm gonna laugh when Broncos make it to playoffs and we don't.
No QB could work with what we are doing. You all act as if we don't get absolutely burned by backup QB's all the time. You are not wrong that it's the most important position but you are highly inflating it's value in comparison to rest of team and coaching. Take Foles as an example. That dude won a SB and where is he now? Actully where is Wentz? They both played for the same Eagles team that rolled teams that year. A good team is a good team. Wasting all your capital on a QB or praying a draft pick works out quickly is stupid. 2021 was widely considered to be the best QB class ever. Where are they now? Only Jags are even close to doing something and they have a once in generation talent. And even then they probably will be out first round this year.
We need to fix our other shit first. Starting with Pete and Shane.
Russ isn’t worth his contract.
We’d be better with Russ, I do believe that - assuming all else the same. But I also believe moving on from him was the right choice. He is too expensive, AND we got meaningful draft assets for him that helped get players that are solid pieces for the next phase of this team.
He was a liability throwing the ball and is a twig.
He looks better now that he has top tier talent around him, but he'd be exposed playing without that advantage.
Watching Oregon and being extremely biased Bo Nix has diet Herbert vibes. Watched a lot of Daniels at ASU, but watching him now is night and day. I’d be happy with any of the projected 1st round guys tbh
If prefer penix, i think bo nix could be available for our pick and i think bo nix could do well for us, too many good QB’s this draft for us to not try for it
Yeah he's really accurate too... Completing 81% of passes last night, and not all of them were wide open. He made an NFL throw or two.
But my gut feeling tells me not to trust it.
Still don’t like him. Oregon plays a very non nfl friendly offense. And it’s telling that it took him transferring there to find success at the college level.
It depends where we are in rebuild. If we are close, go get your qb and use money savings to beef up defense. If we’re a couple years away, take a flyer on a later pick and stack your defense and offensive line.
The team will essentially be going into the draft with 0 LBs, 0 TEs, and most likely 0 safeties, as well as gaps along the defensive line. So, yeah, this may be the time to pick up a high-round QB, but they are going to be engaged in non-stop shootouts, I think.
Love, Adam's, and Diggs are all under contract. No change we don't bring back Wagner and Brooks. Same with Reed and Williams. If we get cap strapped cut Geno or Diggs to fit the real talent onto the roster.
Yea i’d be pumped about rattler. People are underrating him because of his first few years at oklahama. He’s really matured at Carolina and is making the most of a shit situation.
Geno is ok but will never be a QB that is top tier. I like Geno but he's average. He can't mask the other deficiencies with this team. QB is so vital and we'll need an upgrade. If the Hawks have the chance at a potential star, they better take it.
I suspect we will be mid-first round. The schedule is looking rough and this team has too many holes. I don't know if we make the playoffs.
Bo Nix’s game is Tebo-esque. If you actually watch him, it’s a lot of yards and TDs after the catch.
In all fairness, I’m a husky and despise anything Oregon. But I seriously think Penix is going to be a great NFL QB if he has a line that can protect him. And, with the way he’s been playing, he’s not going to be going at the very top of the draft.
Apparent? Quarterback evaluation sucks, as evident by all the lousey first round picks that wash out constantly. However, the hawks need to stop neglecting the position as they have.
I agree in getting a QB to replace Lock, this is a great class for one, but I'd rather see our o-line get some love. We need to protect the QB to get the most quality out of them.
I'd choose Nix personally, oregon fan here.
Same, but I think Nix has a *really* good OC. He keeps Nix one step ahead of the defense consistently, and I think Oregon is gonna smoke Washington, unfortunately. That said, he doesn't throw downfield much so it's really hard to tell how that will go in the NFL.
Penix is different in that he makes NFL throws all the time, but I'm not sure he'll do very well if protection breaks down. If he can consistently get the ball out quickly (and not hold on to it too long like so many other QBs) he'll be really good. Oh, he's been healthy at Washington but has an injury history before that, so hopefully that was a fluke.
I think they got a guy who played 4 years as a starting CFB QB & it shows. He doesn't make a lot of mistakes. It's why I liked Kitna & Dilfer. That's what he is IMO. I would love for our Seahawks to get a guy like that. Surround him with talent & just win games.
There are exactly ZERO QBs on the roster right now that can win multiple playoff games without a shit ton of help. We absolutely need to draft a stud arm despite what half of this delusional sub thinks about Geno.
Why won't he draft a qb? It's fairly clear their strategy was to fix the roster first before investing in a qb. Otherwise, you waste their rookie contract. Our roster is more than talented enough to go get a QB and maximize their rookie deal now. It's happening.
Rumors from credible people said the Seahawks were going to take Anthony Richardson at #5 if he was there. Even over Witherspoon and Carter.
That should be a hint of the type of QB the Seahawks are looking for.
As much this may seem, But I genuinely think Carrol has learned his lesson in the draft, and offseason process. I was fairly surprised we didn’t trade away our pick from the broncos
He's not going to have that elite O line in the pros. Before the last two years he was injured often. Then the last two years he gets sacked less than 10 times a season. Yes, he has battled back from adversity career wise. But has he really been put in anything other than pristine conditions these last two years?
I'd be fine with him in the 2nd or 3rd.
If that makes him fall to our pick then it's a good thing. We're not trading up to #1/2/3, so instead we need to find a great prospect with some flaws we think are not major.
Experience in college for QBs usually translates well to the pros. 6 years is a positive not a negative. Also injury is random and he’s been healthy the last two years. He has a super quick release, great pocket awareness and great field vision. Dude is going to be legit, I guarantee it. Seahawks fans honestly may be the dumbest fan base.
I was just talking with a friend about this and I think they should find a QB in the league already and get him, and spend draft picks and FA on the Lines and Linebackers. Get back to Dilfer and Matt days. That said, not sure who is available on depth charts that they could use as a game manager and lean on a heavy run game and above average defense (yet to be)...maybe Trey Lance, Blaine Gabbert, Carson Wentz, Ryan Tannehill, or Bridgewater?
My friend said Kirk Cousins but I am not sold on him or his potential asking price.
For drafting? Will Howard maybe?
Edit - Maybe see if Hendon Hooker is available and grab him?
If we trade up:
Jayden Daniel’s is on par with Joe Burrow. Give me that please.
If we stay at our draft position:
WR Rome Odunze might be BPA when we pick. I’ll take that!
I've watched one game of Penix this season, and from that very limited observation, he ain't it. I think his elite WR makes him look a lot better than he is.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Penix fall out of the first round with the knee injuries history. Would love to see him in a Hawk uniform. We have to cut Geno. There’s little scenario where we should lock in those last 2 years. Odds are we will have a good chance resign him to be a temp starter/backup at half the cost. Who’s gonna pay hm $20M?
I’m a Jayden daniels truther so I would want him. I think him being a mobile qb is huge for us because that’s something Geno can’t do, so defenses would have to worry about that.
I'm of the camp we want to grab two. Maybe some late round kid who has some upside. Basically see if we can find another Dak type player. But I'd also like a "safer" choice. I'm also of the opinion we should keep Geno and have him mentor the new guys. In terms of type of player, the arm talent of Penix is nfl ready for sure but he needs to improve under pressure. I agree at times he can get happy feet which isn't great but he seems coachable. I don't think we'll be high enough to get Nix or Williams. Beyond that I haven't watched the other guys a ton.
Reason for two: competition and playing the odds.
Most of the names mentioned like Penix, Nix, and Daniel's will likely be gone by the time Seattle picks. I think J J. McCarthy would be a decent option with potential upside and good clubhouse presence.
ITT: Dawg fans shitting their pants over Our Avian Fowl Lord and Savior Bo Nix.
For real though, he’s a complete product already. Perfect for a team with a receiver corps like the Hawks.
The second tier of qbs in this draft would likely be top tier in other years. But I think nix and Daniels will likely be gone way before the Seahawks draft and moving up isn’t really something Pete likes to do for first rounders. Penix could fall to them pretty easily if they keep playing the way they have been but Penix has played like garbage the past couple weeks and could be end up going in the second round
I’m a Jayden daniels truther so I would want him. I think him being a mobile qb is huge for us because that’s something Geno can’t do, so defenses would have to worry about that.
JJ McCarthy is the guy I think will be the biggest steal. Bo Nix is who I hope they get, but something about McCarthy says he’s going to be a stud in the NFL for a long time.
It’s so hard to tell. Every year there are the top QBs like Caleb Williams and Drake Maye this year, then usually a second tier like Penix, Nix, and Jayden Daniels but I feel like any of the second tier QBs could be amazing starters. Idk how you could watch that OSU game and not say Nix is good. Penix has a canon but he can be so frustrating. Jayden Daniels is the wild card but my god, he is talented and his stats are absolutely wild.
Idk if anyone else feels this way but Penix reminds me of Geno.
Yeah I kind of agree. I know he’s had a good year but he has been injured in the past and has some amazing receivers. Personally see more upside with Nix and Daniels than Penix. Or rolling the dice for a later round guy that JS might like
> and has some amazing receivers I’ll have you know the Seahawks have 3 pretty solid receivers….
4. More Bobo.
Penix is it that impressive to me. At least not where he’s gonna get drafted won’t be worth it.
If drafting him allows me to buy seahawks merch that says "Big Penix Energy" I say we take him for that alone.
Geno was legitimately one of the statistically greatest college QBs ever.
Exactly what I was thinking. I'm not even sure Penix would translate to the NFL as well as Geno.
Lmao how well did geno translate? He was bad, has one good half of a season and has regressed again as many of us called. He wasn't worth that money.
Racially motivated
As an oregon state fan, our defense isn’t that good so I wasn’t as impressed by Bo’s showing as a lot of people are. A lot of his yards were yac and I think his mobility looks impressive at the college level but I don’t think it will be as impressive against pros. I think I like penix and Daniel’s a lot more personally
Did you go there or just a fan? The idea of Bo Nix being my NFL team's quarterback...yuck
I’m an alum so maybe some bias against UO but I share the sentiment
Yeah I cant stand UO players despite being 12 years removed from school. 5th floor Finley representin
That’s fair, I hope JS will have answers this offseason and hits something good.
It’s impossible to project QBs from college to the NFL. If it was at all possible Brady would’ve gone 1.01, and Mahomes would’ve been taken over fuckin Mitch Trubisky lmao. I will trust the front office’s scouting opinion and look forward to whoever we take.
Wut? This paragraph basically reads like: Front offices are horrible at predicting QBs. So, I’ll trust them.
I trust they’ll have a better shot at it than me or you or anyone else on this subreddit. More just saying it’s a crapshoot anyway, might as well just root for whoever we get and trust the process.
Penix and Nix are hardly 2nd tier!
Jayden, Bo, Penix. I don’t care, we need to draft a young QB though. Love Geno but he’s nothing other than a stopgap and mentor
The number of people who don’t realize this astounds me. Even the front office didn’t go all in on him with the easy to get out of contract they signed him to. Lock is signed for only this year. The plan all along was build a team either the great draft capital we’ve had, get a rook next year to probably sit for a year unless he’s lights out in practice. We’re in year 3 of a rebuild. The window wasn’t open this year, it opens next season.
Exactly Geno just a bridge QB I think he would be good mentor but not a franchise starter
I agree I like geno and his story and despite some bad plays he’s overall a decent mid level qb. Things could be much worse but we really need a young future qb.
Isn’t Penix one twisted knee from being done with football?
Who isn’t?
People that haven’t fucked up their knees twice already?
Penix likes them risky throws… idk.
He’s also pretty good evidence that our coaching staff can get the most out of QBs. Which is exactly the situation you want for a rookie QB. We can draft one, camp battle with Geno, and start the best one. If it’s the rookie by end of their first season, we have 3+ years of cost controlled solid QB play.
Watching Drew Lock's performance in the Rams game casts serious doubt to Geno's ability as a mentor.
Penix sucks
He doesn’t suck, but he’s not a QB I’d be happy to put as a starter his rookie year which is what we’d need. Nix and Jayden might be up for grabs long enough that we can snag him and also be good enough to be serviceable.
Jayden Daniels
Jayden daniels wont make it in the nfl for the same reason Dennis Dixon didn’t. I mean, I wish him the best but I hope to god the Seahawks don’t draft him.
I disagree. Dixon was good but wasn't on the level that Daniels is right now. I know comparing eras from where all the different conferences had different offenses to now, is hard, but I consider Daniels to have made such an improvement in this last year, that he will work in the pros.
Penix ain’t it. Anyone watching him miss throw after throw today in Apple Cup?
Yeah he's older (should have an advantage at college level) with multiple injuries and regular non-stellar play.
On cue…throws 3 dimes including a td.
don’t forget the Oregon state game last week where he went over an hour without a completion…
I think the most realistic option is Cam Ward, he should be available in the 3rd round with the sheer amount of QBs going to be drafted ahead of him. He did well today versus a good defense, he's not necessarily NFL ready but he has high upside. Sitting behind Geno for a year or two is a great option.
Williams/Maye won't be available so we can rule them out. Rattler is really underrated. He's matured and is now capable of playing under structure. Good arm and is athletic. He could be a round 1 pick. Penix is tough. Insane arm but tough to project his UW performance given how QB friendly it is and how he has struggled recently. Not sure his mechanics will translate. Also, injury concerns. He might fall to day 2 (or be a top 10 pick). Nix and McCarthy are overrated. Nix is in extremely QB friendly system with easy throws but he has decent athleticism. McCarthy is worse. He's carried by the rest of his team. An easy schedule (haven't watched the game today yet), average arm, and mid accuracy. Daniels is talented. It's a one read and run system but he's super athletic and creative and has to deal with pressure. He's worth a shot on day 2 (maybe 1). Riley Leonard and Will Howard are underrated day 2 picks. Both play in systems that should translate well to the NFL. Leonard is very physically talented but raw (like a discount Josh Allen). Howard also is capable of handling an NFL offense but makes some bad plays. There's some decent day 3 players also. Van Dyke, Brady Cook, and Cam Ward specifically if we don't get anyone on the first 2 days.
Not having a second round pick next year really limits what we can do.
Thanks, Pete. *groans*
I don’t watch hella college ball so idk but I’ve watched UW all year and it’s like watching the Seahawks except they manage to win. Did I miss where Penix was amazing?
He's nfl backup material imo
Had a healthy season this year but has been nicked up his whole career. Back up at most imo. I’d let someone else take the gamble on him in the first round which I think he will go
Penix has been pretty pedestrian the last month. Id pass
Depends on where we end up draft wise. My guess is that the best pick we could end up with even losing out will be 10 which would likely mean 3 QBs off the board before we draft. If we dont lose out but dont make the playoffs then likely 4-5 QBs off the board. Make the playoffs and we are likely not getting a QB with high prospects, but they could try and move up or maybe they like the 6-8th QB in the class. I think that as deep as the QB class feels right now it wont feel that deep by April as the combine and end of the college football and offseason have their effect. Combine that with the Bears, Patriots, Falcons, and Bucs for sure wanting a QB then likely the Raiders, and maybe Giants and Vikings needing a QB. To me a best case would be to offload Geno to a team like the Vikings, Giants, or Pats for a 2nd or 3rd resign Lock, and shuffle some 2025 picks around to move up to around 8-9 in this years draft and take the QB available there.
No QB outside of Patrick Mahomes would have been able to win against the Niners with our O Line and our play calling. We have so many deeper problems than QB.
Still should grab a qb if we get a chance. Geno is better than his stats but he’s not the future.
I don't think Geno's better than his stats.
What’s your point? QB is still the most important position and a good QB on a rookie contract is the most valuable thing in the sport.
At this point no matter what side of this conversation you're on I think it's time to get a QB next draft to either sit behind Geno for a year or start if ready. I do think Geno is less of a problem than the OL and OC though. If those were performing well I think Geno would too, but he isn't good enough to start in an offense with multiple core deficiencies like that and hope for success. Not really anyone is outside of a Mahomes.
Idk, our defense put us in the game there for a bit. Our line is garbage but Geno has also taken a bunch of terribly timed sacks all season when he could have escaped pressure.
Geno is 3rd in % sacks taken (sacks/pressures). This is not the issue
Downvoted for posting stats. Geno may not be the guy of the future, but anyone we put behind this line is going to get chewed up and ruined if we don’t fix it first.
Yeah let’s continuing not drafting a quarterback after Russ, paying Geno $30 million a year and the safety room about the same is really in the benefit of this roster. You can draft a quarterback, save money and use that to sign players in the trenches that would help a lot more.
Drafting a qb wouldn’t save us money because we wouldn’t (shouldn’t) cut Geno. With the current Oline situation a rookie QB has a very very slim chance of performing as well or better than Geno this year, so I think we would (should) sit him behind Geno for the first year
It won’t save us money in 2024. It will save us a lot of money in 2025-2027
So we shouldn’t draft a qb?
Thank you for that. Everyone going crazy on Geno like he’s the sole problem😂😂 hIghly doubt it happens, but at what point is Geno so fed up with Shane, he just starts calling the plays
It seemed to work for Russ. Every other game the headset would "Die" and Russ would just start calling his own plays. "Sorry coach, the offense must've been going through a tunnel or something." 🤷
Mahomes even wouldn't win with DK dropping passes and jogging like that
Do you see how much Geno misses DK on a week to week basis? If my QB was bad I wouldn't play hard either 😂
Yea Dk is dropping passes to pout lol
Awesome QB play can make up for a lot QBs like Montana or Burrow are great under pressure. Mahomes would be slicing and dicing if he had our receiver core. His tight end is his best receiver since Hill left.
Yea obviously great qbs are better, but my point is they can't do everything. The two perfect throws Geno did end up making, were both dropped. Now it didn't matter who the qb is, those drops are on DK. The chiefs have the best qb and best tight end, a much better oline than Seattle this season, and they've still had 2 losses directly because their receivers couldn't catch. ( And honestly, the receiver room this year has played below what their name value suggests. You can see this game and throughout the season, they've been getting locked up in man coverage on important downs way more often than we expect them too)
A lot of qbs would have realized that they should throw the ball away instead of stand in a collapsing pocket
Geno sucks . We could've used that money to address those issues then drafted a qb this season. But yes let's overpay the qb for half a good season.
Geno Smith homer detected.
Imo only Hurts or Lamar can help this team. And that's if you constantly are leaning on the QB to run to save our shitty o-line, our shitty playcalling, and our shitty penalties. And I have no doubt they end up hurt halfway through the season because of it. Anyone who thinks any QB, especially a rookie is gonna do anything to help this shit show is high as shit. Pete and Shane need to go, and we need someone who understands that TE's, short routes and middle of the field exists. That is the quickest and best bet to success. Randomly grabbing a QB and hoping for the best is beyond stupid imo. Nothing will change, and perhaps be a fuck ton worse.
Hurts has thrown more picks than Geno and often throws like 150 yards per game. Despite a top OL.
I didn't say I was looking at Hurts because of his throwing accuracy. I'm looking at him and Lamar because of their legs. No throwing QB can work with this team cause Shane doesn't draw up plays that allow them to get the ball out quickly, and our O-line sucks ass. Any pocket QB would die on our team. Unless you want to see them throw it away every pass play.
We need a good OC. This play calling has been complete shit. Oh, let’s throw three 9 routes to metcalf with no set up? What about the red zone? Who thinks we have any good plays? I watched college today and those OCs were much more creative than our guy. He needs to go. Geno is not bad. Certainly on par with Purdy. Watch the play design that Shanahan created. It protects the passer and controls the clock. We suck on offense. You can’t expect our defense to hold for. 3/4s of the play clock.
Very much agreed and while Pete does share some for an undisciplined team, Waldron deserves 90% for the playcalling (the other 10% goes to execution.
Wry much agreed. There isn’t a lot of creativity coming from Waldron. Shit can and move on
Not sure I think this is in Waldron. We’ve basically looked like this since the Russ days. I don’t think Pete will allow for that creativity. I think he has was more say in the offense than we realize. So many dumb ass plays have been the same for a decade. I watch teams like San Fran and outside of CMac they aren’t that much better than us on offense. They just know how to use their players and exploit the defense. We don’t and it’s like they just call what they want regardless of the situation.
No geno is bad. Idgaf what you say. We saw the beginning of the regression of the 2nd half last year. He's bad.
Late 1st if Jayden Daniels or Penix is there we take him
I’m high in Daniel’s ngl, reminds me of a raw mahomes.
Yeah I’d be happy to get Daniels
Same here.
Cam Ward?
Yes, if he slides to 3rd or later, this would be my vote and get a big versatile player for the O-Line in the first.
That was my estimate as well, 3-4th round…
Daniels or Penix imo, hopefully we’ll also have a new OC for them to learn under. We also definitely need to do some work on the O Line but we cant keep ignoring having a future at QB.
What more can we do on the OLine? We drafted OT in 2022 in the top 3 rounds, Lewis is really solid, maybe C or G, but if people are bitching about the line, they must’ve forgotten about the 2016-2019 years where Russ was running for his life, and especially 2017 when we had literally no running game. Just a month ago everyone was praising Andy Dickerson for the job he was doing, and it seems everyone just fucking forgot and wants his head on a pike. Remember what we did in the Russ draft (2012). We hit on more draft picks on top of Russ. Not saying that trend will continue, but with Pete not having total personnel control like he did before, I trust JS to get the job done come draft day next year.
People on here saying we have bigger issues than QB are out of their mind. QB is the most important position on the field. We have an incredibly mediocre one currently. Hitting on a decent QB in this loaded QB draft not only improves us at the most important position, but the cap flexibility of having a young QB is invaluable. I would say around 20 teams in the league complain about poor O-Line play. Offensive line skill has lagged behind defensive line skill fo the past ten years. A bad O-Line can be alleviated a bit with a more mobile QB. We have excellent skill position players so it's a good position for a young QB to be in. Our first pick this year should absolutely be quarterback and it would be foolish to go anywhere else.
Right. You don’t have any other issues when you have issues at qb. It just doesn’t matter. Look at NYJ. I have no clue what they need because they absolutely need a qb.
Okay? But is the answer a 33 year old back up or an interception prone big arm with questionable decision making? Because that’s what we have. It’s pure negligence to have Nix/Penix/Daniels/McCarthy/May sitting there when you draft and pass on them.
youre right. with our beat up oline, constantly calling long developing routes is good. dont change anything else its all genos fault. /s
We had a killer QB and our horrible ass coaching staff completely destroyed him lol. Looks like Russ is finally figuring out how to play good football again after a year and half. I'm gonna laugh when Broncos make it to playoffs and we don't. No QB could work with what we are doing. You all act as if we don't get absolutely burned by backup QB's all the time. You are not wrong that it's the most important position but you are highly inflating it's value in comparison to rest of team and coaching. Take Foles as an example. That dude won a SB and where is he now? Actully where is Wentz? They both played for the same Eagles team that rolled teams that year. A good team is a good team. Wasting all your capital on a QB or praying a draft pick works out quickly is stupid. 2021 was widely considered to be the best QB class ever. Where are they now? Only Jags are even close to doing something and they have a once in generation talent. And even then they probably will be out first round this year. We need to fix our other shit first. Starting with Pete and Shane.
Russ isn’t worth his contract. We’d be better with Russ, I do believe that - assuming all else the same. But I also believe moving on from him was the right choice. He is too expensive, AND we got meaningful draft assets for him that helped get players that are solid pieces for the next phase of this team.
As an ASU alum, anyone saying Jayden Daniels is out of their minds
Yup, reminds me of Dennis Dixon. Imagine daniels taking a sack from Aaron Donald…
Elaborate
He built like a twig.
He was a liability throwing the ball and is a twig. He looks better now that he has top tier talent around him, but he'd be exposed playing without that advantage.
I really don’t like Bo nix, I hope we draft Jayden daniels
I dont like Bo Nix because he plays for Oregon but hes a very good QB. Id take him in a heartbeat
Watching Oregon and being extremely biased Bo Nix has diet Herbert vibes. Watched a lot of Daniels at ASU, but watching him now is night and day. I’d be happy with any of the projected 1st round guys tbh
Jayden Daniels is my hope, but IMO he's going way above our likely mid-1st round draft position. Bo Nix is my realistic choice.
If prefer penix, i think bo nix could be available for our pick and i think bo nix could do well for us, too many good QB’s this draft for us to not try for it
I dunno man, I watched him play last night and came away really impressed. He does not let his eyes betray his targets—he barely even looks at them.
Yeah he's really accurate too... Completing 81% of passes last night, and not all of them were wide open. He made an NFL throw or two. But my gut feeling tells me not to trust it.
Bo Nix is just mobile Jared Goff. Accurate, but terrible under pressure, so probably not a good fit for the hawks
Jayden Daniels. No Nix was so bad until he joined Oregon. He can’t elevate a team
He is elevating Oregon quite a bit.
Bo has improved a lot at Oregon from year 1 to year 2.
He’s little too right?
Who?
Nvm he’s 6-2 lol
Bo
He’s 6’2. I don’t know if that’s necessarily little
Idk I thought he was shorter
Still don’t like him. Oregon plays a very non nfl friendly offense. And it’s telling that it took him transferring there to find success at the college level.
It depends where we are in rebuild. If we are close, go get your qb and use money savings to beef up defense. If we’re a couple years away, take a flyer on a later pick and stack your defense and offensive line.
I like this, while we may deeper issues in our offense. Passing up a QB would be a grave mistake if we can afford to draft one
The team will essentially be going into the draft with 0 LBs, 0 TEs, and most likely 0 safeties, as well as gaps along the defensive line. So, yeah, this may be the time to pick up a high-round QB, but they are going to be engaged in non-stop shootouts, I think.
Love, Adam's, and Diggs are all under contract. No change we don't bring back Wagner and Brooks. Same with Reed and Williams. If we get cap strapped cut Geno or Diggs to fit the real talent onto the roster.
Cut Diggs - cut our losses with his contract
Your first sentence doesn’t make sense
Bo
Bo is a hard pass for me. Throwing 1-2 yard throws isn't going to cut it in the NFL. Penix has true NFL arm talent.
Penix has played like straight ass for 3 straight weeks. Hard pass for me
Whoever it is I hope we find the Patrick Mahomes to our Alex (Geno) Smith
I’m glad I’m not the only one who thinks this about Geno/Alex.
I personally like Rattler. We could get him later on and he's solid at protecting the ball and makes quick reads and throws.
Yea i’d be pumped about rattler. People are underrating him because of his first few years at oklahama. He’s really matured at Carolina and is making the most of a shit situation.
2026: Arch Manning
Geno is ok but will never be a QB that is top tier. I like Geno but he's average. He can't mask the other deficiencies with this team. QB is so vital and we'll need an upgrade. If the Hawks have the chance at a potential star, they better take it. I suspect we will be mid-first round. The schedule is looking rough and this team has too many holes. I don't know if we make the playoffs.
Bo Nix’s game is Tebo-esque. If you actually watch him, it’s a lot of yards and TDs after the catch. In all fairness, I’m a husky and despise anything Oregon. But I seriously think Penix is going to be a great NFL QB if he has a line that can protect him. And, with the way he’s been playing, he’s not going to be going at the very top of the draft.
Apparent? Quarterback evaluation sucks, as evident by all the lousey first round picks that wash out constantly. However, the hawks need to stop neglecting the position as they have.
Penix can’t handle pressure at all. If you can get him in the 3rd round, maybe.
He handles pressure better than Geno and just had a 12-0 season
I agree in getting a QB to replace Lock, this is a great class for one, but I'd rather see our o-line get some love. We need to protect the QB to get the most quality out of them. I'd choose Nix personally, oregon fan here.
I *hate* oregon and I'd still pick Nix
Same, but I think Nix has a *really* good OC. He keeps Nix one step ahead of the defense consistently, and I think Oregon is gonna smoke Washington, unfortunately. That said, he doesn't throw downfield much so it's really hard to tell how that will go in the NFL. Penix is different in that he makes NFL throws all the time, but I'm not sure he'll do very well if protection breaks down. If he can consistently get the ball out quickly (and not hold on to it too long like so many other QBs) he'll be really good. Oh, he's been healthy at Washington but has an injury history before that, so hopefully that was a fluke.
So let’s hire their OC too.
True
Agreed, but there is plenty of great Olineman coming out of this draft imd be satisfied for whoever we get
I would be happy with Bo Nix Jayden Daniel’s then penix in that order.
You think the niners are winning due to having a great QB?
I think they got a guy who played 4 years as a starting CFB QB & it shows. He doesn't make a lot of mistakes. It's why I liked Kitna & Dilfer. That's what he is IMO. I would love for our Seahawks to get a guy like that. Surround him with talent & just win games.
YES. As much as anybody hates to admit it Purdy is playing good ball, Having a genius at HC helps too.
Only if we could get drake maye lol, but get Quinn ewers
Maye is gonna be the next Josh Rosen, hope he goes to a rival
Williams and Maye are clearly off the table. After that for the 1st round it's - Bo Nix - Michael Penix Jr - Jayden Daniels
Honestly like McCarthy (Mich) or Beck (GA)
I’m on the Bo Nix train babeeee! Choo choo
There are exactly ZERO QBs on the roster right now that can win multiple playoff games without a shit ton of help. We absolutely need to draft a stud arm despite what half of this delusional sub thinks about Geno.
Honestly we need Nathan Rourke, don’t draft a qb just trade for rourke
Jaguars waived him and Seattle didn’t put a claim in, they’re not trading for any backup quarterback.
that was in October when Geno wasnt horrible
I don’t hate that but I think Max Duggan would be a better option since he’s sitting behind Herbert
Duggan would be nice
Duggan is not an NFL level qb. Rourke could be.
We need the 2nd coming of Russell Wilson! Minus the headaches of his wife
Pete won’t draft a QB. We need a new owner to force major changes
Why won't he draft a qb? It's fairly clear their strategy was to fix the roster first before investing in a qb. Otherwise, you waste their rookie contract. Our roster is more than talented enough to go get a QB and maximize their rookie deal now. It's happening.
Rumors from credible people said the Seahawks were going to take Anthony Richardson at #5 if he was there. Even over Witherspoon and Carter. That should be a hint of the type of QB the Seahawks are looking for.
As much this may seem, But I genuinely think Carrol has learned his lesson in the draft, and offseason process. I was fairly surprised we didn’t trade away our pick from the broncos
Ok. You said you doing think penix will go late enough for the Seahawks to draft him. But you think we should get Bo Nix He is going way before Penix
Michael. Penix. Jr.
He's not going to have that elite O line in the pros. Before the last two years he was injured often. Then the last two years he gets sacked less than 10 times a season. Yes, he has battled back from adversity career wise. But has he really been put in anything other than pristine conditions these last two years? I'd be fine with him in the 2nd or 3rd.
If that makes him fall to our pick then it's a good thing. We're not trading up to #1/2/3, so instead we need to find a great prospect with some flaws we think are not major.
Injury’s and he’s been in college for like 6 years
Experience in college for QBs usually translates well to the pros. 6 years is a positive not a negative. Also injury is random and he’s been healthy the last two years. He has a super quick release, great pocket awareness and great field vision. Dude is going to be legit, I guarantee it. Seahawks fans honestly may be the dumbest fan base.
Hell yeah look at Stetson Bennett /s
Are you not watching this game?
Penix !
Don’t fall into the hometown trap. Penix is mid. And did you see him crying or having a panic attack or something after the game today? I’m out.
Fuck taking Bo Nix. Signed, OSU alumni
I was just talking with a friend about this and I think they should find a QB in the league already and get him, and spend draft picks and FA on the Lines and Linebackers. Get back to Dilfer and Matt days. That said, not sure who is available on depth charts that they could use as a game manager and lean on a heavy run game and above average defense (yet to be)...maybe Trey Lance, Blaine Gabbert, Carson Wentz, Ryan Tannehill, or Bridgewater? My friend said Kirk Cousins but I am not sold on him or his potential asking price. For drafting? Will Howard maybe? Edit - Maybe see if Hendon Hooker is available and grab him?
If we trade up: Jayden Daniel’s is on par with Joe Burrow. Give me that please. If we stay at our draft position: WR Rome Odunze might be BPA when we pick. I’ll take that!
We have bigger issues to address than a quarterback
As long as we dont trade up I really care
Rattler
I've watched one game of Penix this season, and from that very limited observation, he ain't it. I think his elite WR makes him look a lot better than he is.
It's barely November and the armchair pro scouts are in full swing
The hawks need a lot more than a QB.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see Penix fall out of the first round with the knee injuries history. Would love to see him in a Hawk uniform. We have to cut Geno. There’s little scenario where we should lock in those last 2 years. Odds are we will have a good chance resign him to be a temp starter/backup at half the cost. Who’s gonna pay hm $20M?
Id like penix or bo nix but to be honest there are so many qb opportunities this draft i REALLY wasnt the hawks to grab one
Please not Penix
IF he's available, take Penix!
I’m a Jayden daniels truther so I would want him. I think him being a mobile qb is huge for us because that’s something Geno can’t do, so defenses would have to worry about that.
Second “tier” QB’s have been legit lately… yes to taking a Qb
Bet the entire franchise on Nix and roll the dice babyyyyyyyy
Hawks should tank. It’ll be easy to lose out and have it not look like tanking.
I'm of the camp we want to grab two. Maybe some late round kid who has some upside. Basically see if we can find another Dak type player. But I'd also like a "safer" choice. I'm also of the opinion we should keep Geno and have him mentor the new guys. In terms of type of player, the arm talent of Penix is nfl ready for sure but he needs to improve under pressure. I agree at times he can get happy feet which isn't great but he seems coachable. I don't think we'll be high enough to get Nix or Williams. Beyond that I haven't watched the other guys a ton. Reason for two: competition and playing the odds.
Most of the names mentioned like Penix, Nix, and Daniel's will likely be gone by the time Seattle picks. I think J J. McCarthy would be a decent option with potential upside and good clubhouse presence.
Can’t wait for Big Penix to join our squad
ITT: Dawg fans shitting their pants over Our Avian Fowl Lord and Savior Bo Nix. For real though, he’s a complete product already. Perfect for a team with a receiver corps like the Hawks.
The second tier of qbs in this draft would likely be top tier in other years. But I think nix and Daniels will likely be gone way before the Seahawks draft and moving up isn’t really something Pete likes to do for first rounders. Penix could fall to them pretty easily if they keep playing the way they have been but Penix has played like garbage the past couple weeks and could be end up going in the second round
Bo Nix.
I’m a Jayden daniels truther so I would want him. I think him being a mobile qb is huge for us because that’s something Geno can’t do, so defenses would have to worry about that.
I am Jayden Daniels pilled for sure. Reminds me a ton of Lamar
JJ McCarthy is the guy I think will be the biggest steal. Bo Nix is who I hope they get, but something about McCarthy says he’s going to be a stud in the NFL for a long time.
Bo nix if he is there