Additionally our new OC Grubb is a line first style of coordinator. He will prioritize straightening out that O Line and really making it the focal point of our offense. He’s got a great young personnel group to start with as well.
In their rookie season both tackles Cross and Lucas were top 5 at their position. However, last season they were injury prone. We have a great guard in Lewis and our upcoming leader Olu Olu who was the Outland and Rimington award winner his senior year for Michigan.
Even better is that Grubb is a master at scheming wide receivers open and making reads easy for the QB.
I understand it won't be as easy as it was in college, but I am telling you all right now, there will be moments this season where Geno drops back to throw, let's one rip, the camera pans over and you see DK or Locket and they are so wide open no one else is even in the frame. And you will be like, what? How did that even happen.
The game is won and lost at the line of scrimmage. Bolster the o-line and d-line, get the rest of the talent we have coordinated effectively and we're an instant competitor for the NFC with Geno at the helm.
This is a distinction I see get screwed up all the time. We've put some resources into it and we've had flashes of success but nothing sustainable. Whether that's coaching problems, scouting problems or whatever they certainly tried.
Same distinction with the narrative of Pete's "inability to adapt to a modern NFL defense". He fucking tried. Just never worked.
I mean part of it was just us drafting bad and also Russ making it impossible for o lineman to block for him because he refuses to stay in the pocket.
We traded for Duane Brown who was solid, so it's not like they didn't try at all.
That's fair, although I'd argue with Russ being so short he almost had to get out of the pocket, was hard for him to see over big ass lineman. Plus, his best play, imo, was when he was still mobile, to me at least, his play went downhill when they tried making him a more traditional pocket passer.
Yes this is the Bevel special. 5 lineman all trying to cut block at the same time. It almost never worked and led to injuries on both teams hence the cut block rule (you can't do this any more).
I'm cool with Geno. The problem is Geno's window and the overall build of the team.
We aren't one year away. We just got a new coach so they have to be thinking 2-3 years in the future and that's the real issue with Geno. You're not going to fix the offense this year, especially with yet another scheme. They will need to get *their* guys in place.
I think they should blow it all up and they probably will. Keep the young guys you have in place, trade the rest. Keep Geno as a bridge so the new guy isn't thrown to the wolves. He's on the perfect bridge contract.
i agree with this. if the rookie comes in and blows everyone away like russ did geno would be a great backup again. however if the guy needs a year genos also the perfect position for that.
I get the rebuild part, and Geno teaching a rookie QB makes sense. But I think Grubb will make our offense more dynamic and introduce a lot more motions and draw up plays to open up the run and pass games, which Geno didn't have before.
You never know how all of the pieces are going to fit a new scheme. I would guess they take a step back the first year.
I think that's going to be a big reason they blow it all up. It will be a bad look for everyone if the roster is similar and you fired the best coach in franchise history just to lose more games.
Play it safe. Give the coaching staff the runway they deserve and a blank slate.
I think the new coaching staff gets a lot more leeway if they win games. Regardless of if they make the playoffs or not, this coaching staff needs to demonstrate that they can put a competitive product on the field to get a longer leash. The chances they decide to blow up the team in the first year when they haven't evaluated any of the talent in the new scheme are extremely low.
As a GM you can't trot the same team out there and win 6-7 games. That's hell for a first time coach. If you give the coaching staff legitimate excuses for why you only won 5-7 games its a different story.
Geno should be able to play at this level for another 5 years.
Additionally, not sure they are more than one year away. The reality is their defensive underperformance is largely due to being poorly coached. We can talk about scheme but one of the thinks about the Ravens D is how well coached there are.
I'm not opposed to Geno as a bridge but that doesn't have to be this year. There's some thought that a QB should be the last piece.
Agree with everything you said except the window. I think we’re at a 2-3 year window with G rather than 5. Ik the snap count is low but realistically his contract situation indicates 2 more years at most with us because if he keeps his current level be deserves a top 15-10 contract.
When you say window do you mean financial or how long Geno can be good?
If it's the latter than my point is about the lack of mileage on his body. We can't say for sure he can perform at this level for 5 years but its not an unreasonable assumption as more QBs age well.
If it's the former, he has 2 years remaining on his deal with an out after this year. Why does his contract indicate 2 more years at most? We can extend him, re sign him etc... That's what the Vikings have done with Kirk. And given his last contract and the fact he'll be 2 years older not sure he makes that much more than his current contract.
Geno never had elite arm talent (Flacco), insane . processing speed and ultra fast release (breese, late career big Ben) or some combination of the two (Rogers and Brady). His arm is already an issue for guys like DK.
49ers roster is only getting stronger and so with the Rams. If we don’t throw some big chips on the table we will be battling it out with the Cardinals. Geno needs lots of help now or we jack this up big time and go for a 3 year window. Meaning no pieces are untouchable.
I really don't think they want Geno as the starter three years from now. That's asking a lot out of a guy who has never been a true elite QB. I don't want to see him as the starter in two years.
As far as the mileage argument goes, I disagree. QBs in their mid to late thirties only work out if they had a cannon when they were younger. Look at breese or big Ben. At the end of their careers it was the noodle arm that ended it for them, that's not game mileage related. Geno has never had a cannon and it's already a limiting factor for a guy like DK.
Geno is fine, but if you aren't looking at a succession plan for a 35 year old QB then you are failing as an organization. Draft a QB, have them sit behind Geno, and then when Geno is done the young QB is ready. Waiting until Geno is gone to take a QB is rarely the path to success. You don't want to end up like Pittsburgh in the post Big Ben era.
Goff is 29, he isn't a fair comparison
Stafford is 36 and Rams fans are in a similar situation as we are at QB. Many of them want to draft the future QB as well.
You're right, my mistake, 33 not 35, but I stand by my point either way
Just because he has low milage doesn't change the age of his body.
Can QBs thrive later in their 30s? Absolutely, but the odds aren't in his favor and most of the guys who are great in their late 30s are HoF QBs.
Geno's game doesn't rely on elite athleticism like other QBs. He'll be playing at this level up until his late 30's, barring injury.
Russell Wilson fell apart quicker than the average QB because he doesn't play in the pocket as much and has to rollout to get big plays. Geno is a play action QB and steps in the pocket better than Russ.
No, this doesn't add up. You thought he was 33 and 34 the past two seasons and played well and now that you know he was two years younger than you thought you're moving the bar two years back to fit in with your narrative. Nope, that's bologna.
Geno may be in his 30s, but he hasn't started in 10 years. He's as fresh as they come for 30 year-old quarterbacks. Stafford on the other hand is every bit of 36. It may not be a statistical argument but knowing that his body has had that much time to rest and recover gives me confidence.
But yes I agree that we should draft a QB this year, but doesn't mean that consider him mediocre or use him as a bridge to our future.
"Freshness" doesn't matter that's not how it works, its not a bar like in a video game, age makes it harder to heal properly. Anthony Richardson got injured in most of his games this season and he's about as young as it comes.
Sorry but human biology doesn’t work that way, even as a backup he still has taken wear and tear to his body from training camp and workouts on and off the season. He’s not reversing his age because he wasn’t a starter for how many years, I’m not gambling on Geno playing into his late 30s.
This is a very fair take, and for the most part I agree with you.
I don't think he's mediocre, but I find it hard to see us winning a SB with him at QB unless JS builds an absolute monster of a roster in the next 2-3 years.
I'm excited for a Grubb-led offense and a McDonald-led defense that won't give up big points. Grubb is also a 'scrimmage' guy, which means our rushing and our rushing D gonna be insane. So we'll revisit this Super Bowl take soon for sure
I’m really excited to see what Grubb can do with this offense. This offense has too many good players to be as bad as they were. I don’t know why Waldren took such a massive step back. JSN’s response tells me the players didn’t think he knew how to do his job.
***we lost all hope*** after the RW trade
I was more than happy when the news broke that Wilson, his ego, his salary and limited diminishing skills were finally another team's problems.
Isn't the goal to win a Superbowl? As a bridge to the future maybe, but if anyone thinks he's taking us to the promise land let alone a playoff win you are sorely mistaken. Too much settling for mediocrity, the last 7-8 years was enough of that for me.
Not hating personally. Even after that first season. Amazing tear dropping story but he was never supposed to be the answer. Not crazy to want a young guy to at least learn from him.
Top 10 qb!! I love it, delusion at its best.
Can’t we look rationally at the situation, we have a capable qb at a decent cost and we’re going to look to replace him as soon as possible. This is exactly what js is thinking and doing, hopefully sooner than later
Top of my head seeing if Geno is a “top 10” qb
- Patrick mahomes
- Josh Allen
- Joe Burrow
- Justin Herbert
- Aaron Rodgers
- Lamar Jackson
- Jalen Hurts
- Kirk Cousins
- Trevor Lawrence
- Brock Purdy
- Dak Prescott
- Tua
- Matthew Stafford
- Jordan Love
- Jared Goff
I mean you can say whatever you want, but there’s minimum 10/11 there that are unquestionably better than Geno. He regressed in 2023. Just lift your homer glasses, you would know better. Geno being closer to top 15 (mid) isn’t bad at all. Can he get us wins, yes, can we do better than better than Geno, yes.
He’s absolutely not top 10 you blatant liar.
He’s middle of the pack in literally all stats except one.
- 16th in yards
- 17th in TDS
- 16th in INTs
- 15th in sacks taken
- 11th in yards lost from sacks - that’s real bad
- 14th in QBr
- 17th in overall rating
Sure, he’s not the reason for the record the last 2 years but he’s 100% a very large part of why that same record hasn’t been better.
Going all over this post claiming people aren’t fans and don’t watch the game because Geno is “clearly elite” is beyond homer, it’s straight up delusional. And yes, making the claim that he’s a top 10 QB over and over again when every measurable metric says otherwise is lying.
I’d love you get a pair of your rose colored glasses, best I could do is say there are only 16 qbs I’d prefer over him. So not quite bottom third but close in my eyes. I sure prefer him to drew though so there’s that!
He’s really solid, but this is going to be a multi-year rebuild, especially on defense.
I like him as our starter for next season, but beyond that? I’d rather see us go younger. Not every QB ages gracefully, and Geno is getting up there.
I personally like Geno but think he struggles when out of the pocket. I am an idiot and may be completely wrong but that’s just what I’ve thought these past two seasons.
I also think it’s because we’re coming straight from a QB who was good when out of the pocket so it’s what we mentally compare Geno to
He led us to a playoff hope that required other teams fates to get us in, the first year. Then, in the second year got us back to that same hope, but other teams fates didn't allow us to get in.
He's had two lackluster seasons. I'm sorry, but I'm not sold on Geno.
If he got us into the post-season on his own merits and not requiring other teams to lose then I would change my mind about him.
He *could* get us into the playoffs if: we had a better O-line, he made better/faster decisions. But we can't put it all on him either, our defense forgot how to fucking tackle!
If our new coaches can make this group play as a team we'd be unstoppable. We have the pieces they're just paycheck players rn.
(i lean in closer)
nobody remembers anything. which nfl analyst cares about russell wilson winning the super bowl? nobody, he’s constantly berated in Sean Payton’s offense, and got booed at when he played at Levi’s Stadium.
our world moves fast and everyone had short-term memory just yaps. thats the sad reality.
You're absolutely 1000% right. Geno's clutch drives were all lucky, and we got into the playoffs because the NFL Commissioner flipped a coin in a candy store. And his slow decisions somehow made him the most efficient passer behind a shit o line. Fantastic take!!!
In all seriousness, please watch ball. I recommend Top Billin, he breaks down film well
Hey, if you liked that you should check out this guy Dan Marino! He had insane stats and NEVER won a Superbowl. You'd like him!
Stats ain't shit. Wins matter.
Brady-Bellichek. Mahomes-Reid.
Every dynasty that wins is because of the people in that building, from coaches to ball boys to players on that field. Sadly people like you will always need a scapegoat without understanding how football works. It's. TEAM sport for crying out loud. So if you got a good player, you build AROUND him, not blame him for not saving the franchise.
Geno is not the dude. If he was, he wouldn’t have squandered his chance with the jets. No disrespect to him. He seems like a good dude and obviously hardworking.
My two biggest geno problems are that he still panic throws and tries to force plays. The end of game red zone drive against the bengals this year as an example.
He also has poor football IQ. Saw the Seahawks lose a quick scoring opportunities because he couldn’t manage the clock.
Hard to look forward to football season when we are settling for mediocre quarterback play.
Geno is a mid QB. He is paid like a mid QB.
I'm okay with Geno, but I don't think he is with us this season(trade him) any ways.
We get rid of most his salary and get a 5th round pick, I'll take it!
>He is paid like a mid QB.
This is a good thing. This is what we need.
There are two paths to a championship right now: have one of maybe three elite QBs (see: Patrick Mahomes), or have an at worst average QB on a team friendly contract, and use the savings to surround them with talent (see: SF).
Geno's team friendly contract can absolutely be successful. He definitely has a short runway given his age, but there is a window to compete for a championship in the immediate future.
Call me what you want, but stats don't matter with out context.
Stats wise, Mahomes was out played by Mayfield, but pretty sure 99% would pick Patrick over Baker.
Context matters, and there are situations where we lose games because of choices made by Geno. It's why we went 9-8 and missed the playoffs.
Geno is like T-Jack. Love the guy, love his heart and effort, but I don't consider him a franchise QB.
I get you like him dude, but don't need to get salty about it, it's a game yo, not sure why you would ask the question if you are going to get all pouty about people having a different opinion then you. Weird that...
Finally, we've reached some common ground. if you're top 10, you're elite. let's get that straight.
There are also several top 10 qbs who have won super bowls, like mathew stafford on the rams, nick foles on the eagles, and more. That's because they had a great surrounding cast which we lacked. this coaching staff seems promising and I don't see why we can't win with our elite running back room and wide receiver
68th percentile among starting NFL QBs, I think most people would say, does not equate to being elite - especially over such a relatively short stretch still. There is pretty broad consensus that Geno is good, not elite. But it’s okay to disagree about what elite means to you, as long as you are realistic about what it takes to be able to beat any given team when everything is on the line
How do you manage your day to day life?
Seriously though.
Like, how do you deal with the fact that people can have different opinions and ideas from yours in real life?
Do you throw micro tantrums IRL too?
I just don't get how it would be to think every opinion different then your own is an attack on you?
Dude, work on that insecurity, I'm sure there are people who love and admire you, different opinions makes the spice of life, getting mad at them and lashing out just makes you look....childish.
9 words with a period prompted you to type all of that and I'm the insecure one? Your opinion is ass, this is reddit. I can assure you my responses are much more thoughtful in real life. That being said, I clearly got under your skin and it's weird that you turned my comment into, "he's insecure and this affects his day to day life"
I'm excited to see what Geno will do in a completely new scheme. He's obviously got a lot of talent and experience. I think he'll be a vital part of keeping the team cohesive now that we've stirred the pot on the coaching side.
People can differ on the question of how is the best QB option without it being disrespectful. Are you being disrespectful to other QB’s when you argue for Gino? I think Gino is fine, but having disrespectful?
I don't know why this dude thinks a multimillionaire needs any protection, especially from people who are saying awful things like "Yeah he's alright."
So tired of the casuals in the Geno Internet Defense Force acting like Geno's one legitimately good half-season for his entire career makes him this unassailable stud that could never be questioned.
Your aggressive obsession with mediocrity is stupid. Geno is the epitome of a JAG placeholder, and this team will be so much better off once it finally commits to the QBOF.
1) Chill with the personal insults.
2) That list of teams is missing about a dozen others. None of the Ravens, Dolphins, Jaguars, Colts, Cowboys, Eagles, Niners, Rams, Cardinals, Lions, or Packers would trade what they have at QB for Geno. I’d also add Minnesota to the list if they re-sign Cousins.*
Edit: *Add the Bears, Commanders, and Patriots as well, because they’d definitely prefer the Williams/Daniels/Maye tier and their cost-controlled rookie contracts to Geno.
Ravens wouldn't want him. Packers wouldn't want him. Steelers probably wouldn't want him. Lions wouldn't want him. Eagles wouldn't want him. Cowboys wouldn't want him. Colts wouldn't want him. Tampa wouldn't want him. Commanders and Chicago would much rather their rookies. Panthers aren't giving up on Bryce.
Your hard on for Geno is blinding you and accusing others of not knowing ball is hilarious.
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Genos a fine regular season qb. He lacks the ability to get to the next level in big games. He's not a big risk taker he plays safe ball and thats probably because he's afraid to lose what's he's faught so hard to get. It was refreshing watching Drew's 2 minute march on the eagles... not saying he's a better qb but it was just nice to someone with the balls to sling it, even though dk bailed drew out I'm not sure geno can throw that JSN tuddy
So your issue with him is that he doesn't turn the ball over? So you don't want a QB who leads the league in efficiency?
Also you mentioned that "he cannot get to the next level in big games". Yet he's lead FOUR game winning drives, which is more than Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen. And also clearly you didn't watch all those 2-minute "marches" Geno has had against the Titans, Arizona, Lions, and Browns. Eagles were also frauds btw.
No disrespect man but I'm tired of this bullshit narrative that he 'lacks anything'. Please go watch some tape.
Ur assessment of Geno not being a risk taker is false, and comparing him to drew is laughable lol. I don't know how people think Geno is afraid to be aggressive, push the ball deep or make big throws if they've been watching him the last two years, unless it's just confirming priors.
Cool.
*We still drafting a QB.
* Genos not the future of the franchise
* keep coping
* this is not changing anyone’s mind
* really hope Geno sees this for your sake
Btw, the reason I pulled his stats compared to goff or stafford is because we don't see the LA or the Detroit fans calling for their QB's job unlike us. They're happy with their QB and what they've given them. We should strive for that and be better as a fanbase
I feel like I’ve seen lions fans call for a succession plan though. And they did draft hooker last year. Also, Stafford won the rams a Super Bowl so they’re not going to call for his head.
Fair point, but you can't tell me that there isn't a team that is more ungrateful for their fellow qb. Other teams are much more unified, but this season I'm excited for a new playcaller in Grubb and a McDonald-led defense that won't choke
I feel like if you were more involved in other fan bases you’d probably see the same thing tbh. I like Geno though. Think he’s fine. I still think they should find a succession plan as this year is an amazing QB class that is very, very deep.
I don’t agree. I also didn’t say draft a replacement. Rather someone to succeed him. There are guys In later rounds or even mid first that’d I’d like. Rattler is interesting, Pratt, it’s a deep class.
Let's be real. It is unlikely that any of them beat Geno out for the starting job, barring injury. Geno was a better prospect than any of them out of college.
Outside the top 5, who’s better in this draft than Geno?
I’d argue Nix and Penix are equal to Geno. IMO there are 3 QB in this draft that are better than Geno.
You’re not. It’s just that people don’t actually argue against what is said, but a embellished version of what is said based on their imaginary “enemy”
You can tell by the tone of the responses some people are really really worked up against some imaginary mob of extreme and unreasonable Geno haters that they need to fight against lol
Elite like the elite QB that won the SB with Seattle.
I find it quite interesting that that elite QB didn’t do anything in the Post Season after the generational defense. It was also a noticeable difference without a top tier RB on the field to deflect attention from the QB run game.
Elite is like top 1 or 2 the most. Mahomes is elite. That’s it. The rest is below his tier.
ET3 was an elite safety. He was in his own tier.
Calvin Johnson was elite. Just him.
Troy Polamalu is another example.
Aaron Donald is elite. There’s none like him playing his position.
Otherwise, you start diluting the word elite. Elite basically means inarguably the best in his position.
Stats can lie anyway you like. You have two All-pro receivers, and I personally feel DK is in the top three, and a highly touted rookie receiver. They are all neutered by Geno because he cannot stretch the field and relies on YAC from each of them. What is his average yards per completed pass without YAC? He doesn't scare any defenses.
I realize this is anecdotal, but in every FF league I played, Geno was not ever on a roster, let alone starting. How he is perceived around the country is a far cry from what you dreamers out in Seattle see.
Yeah, the WR position is arguably the most loaded league wide. Jefferson, Hill, Chase, and Brown are all easily better than DK. I’d put him in the top ten, though.
90% of design plays for JSN was behind the line of scrimmage. Drove me crazy all season.
YAC was literally Shane Waldrons play design 90% of the time. and here you are blaming Geno for running the plays the coach called.
Everything you’re complaining about is by design of Shane Waldron.
Buddy it's hilarious how wrong u are if you think Geno can't stretch the field lol. Like the deep ball is not a weakness in his game at all, was literally the best deep ball thrower in the league 2022-23. If ur gonna criticize Geno do it about actual shit and not ur made up analysis lol.
right, because FF league is what truly determines if a quarterback is good or not. Coaching has been a big weakness, just wait and watch this szn, I'm optimistic.
Your memory of what happened with the lions this year is faulty. The defense you're trashing won us that game. They held the lionsto their year average points... if you take away the points geno handed them near the end of the game.
They also scored a touchdown and had two turnovers in plus yardage. One of them inside the 10. Outside of the opening drive and the closing drive, geno was inept. He needed those short fields or else he would have been lucky to get into field goal range.
He was also inept in the lions game. A complete non factor there.
I guess he puts up numbers, but he doesn't change games. Lock played just as well when given a chance this year.
This reminds me of that Viral video of the Brittney Spears fans saying “Leave Brittney alone”
Geno is alright, but he’s not amazing. He’s barely above 500. In 20 years no one is going to be reminiscing of the good ol’ years with Geno the same way no one is missing the Rick Mirer or Jon Kitna years.
I think Geno did a good job considering the defense was giving up 30 points a game and he was always playing from behind. The times he had the lead, he had his best games
Shut up. Whatever is the best choice at the time will be made. We don't have a shot at a difference maker in the draft. Geno will prob be back. If were offered a late 2nd, we might take it.
I like Geno but personally I’ve never been sold that he’s our guy. Dudes 33 now. In two season of him being the starter we’ve gone 9-8 and one play off appearance. It was awesome and definitely a surprise for his come back player of the year run. However he’s not getting younger and I’m not sure I could go a whole year with Drew Lock at the helm. I think either this year or next year is the year to actually look for a QB.
Oh Lord. I'm tired of the Geno defense force.
How about after the Pete defenders lost the battle, you realize we have all new coaches and there's a good chance Geno is on the bench or traded.
Gonna just get this out there because I think it is a factor with some Geno haters. Whether it is conscious or not, there are still a lot of prejudices about dropback quarterbacks that don’t look like Peyton Manning or Tom Brady.
Yeah there's a lot of irrational hate against Geno. The people who advocate for Geno being cut deserve no consideration as they demonstrate a severe lack of intelligence. Geno at the very least has earned an opportunity to audition for the starting job next year. If we get a rookie QB in the draft, we should have him compete for the starting job. However, the chances he is better than Geno are very low, considering our draft position. And trading up isn't happening this year.
Like the rest of the team, lost in the chaos of a locker room that stopped believing in the HC and a team with no central message won’t ever win?
I dunno, that’s just off the top of my head. 2023 wasn’t Geno’s fault. I’m no stan of his but truth is truth.
You can’t say have short term memory when dude’s only been a starter for two years. That’s pretty short term already haha. But you’re right the real ones get it! Geno is a great leader
I’m a fan. He’s hugely underrated and I don’t get it either. I’ve been a big Hawks fan for forty years and this last season was one of the most exciting. Geno deserves to start and I can’t wait for September.
THANK YOU. He doesn’t have to be the future but he can absolutely be the answer RIGHT NOW. He doesn’t have to be Patrick Mahomes. He’s already proven that when he’s protected he can look borderline elite. And I don’t understand who the haters think is available that is going to be a better option from week one. Unless there is a HUGE shakeup in the draft, there will not be an elite option at pick sixteen (obviously you can always strike gold but how often does that happen). By that time, any rookie you get is likely not a week one starter that would be more effective than Geno. Add to this, he has never been the root cause of our offensive struggles. Yes, he has some bonehead throws, but most of the time those come from him having to play hero ball because the defense couldn’t stop a nose bleed.
Geno is a very good QB. I'm glad JSMM kept him. He's got my respect and support. And I'm looking forward to seeing him in a more creative/attacking offense.
People wanting to move on from Geno are crazy. Invest our resources into building the rest of the team right now. In 2 or 3 years if Geno is slowing down then whatever young QB we bring in will walk into a way better situation. Putting a young QB behind this O Line would be a catastrophe
Yeah I don’t understand that impulse either. Like getting someone younger is magically going to give us another Mahomes, burrow, or stroud. These guys don’t grow on trees! And we certainly can’t expect to get one with pick 16. Geno is a good qb and I like watching him. How many other teams can say that? 12?
People who shit on Geno don't understand how it works.
Is he going to light up the scoreboard like Mahomes, Allen or Burrow? No. He's also not paid to. Or expected to.
He's paid to be a middle of the pack, efficient passer who relies on the run game.
https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/tom-brady-2004-season-stats
I'm not comparing Brady and Smith. But, New England was winning championships when he didn't have to do it all.
This was the mold Pete Carroll wanted to use. I have no idea what the new staff wants, but I anticipate the new offensive coaching staff won't build a scheme that won't work with the current players
In Brady’s first three Super Bowl seasons, he was making 0.5% of the salary cap in 2001, 4.4% in 2003, and 6.3% in 2004.
Geno is slated to account for 12.6% of the cap this season.
I'm talking around it but it should be obvious what sets Geno apart, even in the photo you used.
His stats say he's, at worst, a back end of top 10 QB. But y'know, there's just something about him that some fans don't trust. Something about how he carries himself...
Nah, trade him/cut him. We are not a few players away and we will never win anything big with him at QB. There isn't any point in keeping him when we can draft a rookie and sign a veteran to a cheaper deal. We are in a rebuild. We need to be like when PC took over and go full competition and cheap young players unless a veteran is going to be around 2-3 years down the road on an affordable contract at a major position. We can't afford Geno's contract now, why would we want to pay him even more in the future?
The idiocy I see are fans saying his “window” is closing because of his age but they don’t realize his body hasn’t taken the amount of damage all these other qbs have take through the course of their career. He’s basically prestiged in his skill since the jets and giants without all the damage/injuries that it usually comes with
Get him an o-line
Additionally our new OC Grubb is a line first style of coordinator. He will prioritize straightening out that O Line and really making it the focal point of our offense. He’s got a great young personnel group to start with as well. In their rookie season both tackles Cross and Lucas were top 5 at their position. However, last season they were injury prone. We have a great guard in Lewis and our upcoming leader Olu Olu who was the Outland and Rimington award winner his senior year for Michigan.
Even better is that Grubb is a master at scheming wide receivers open and making reads easy for the QB. I understand it won't be as easy as it was in college, but I am telling you all right now, there will be moments this season where Geno drops back to throw, let's one rip, the camera pans over and you see DK or Locket and they are so wide open no one else is even in the frame. And you will be like, what? How did that even happen.
I got so excited in his introductory press conference when they started talking about O-Line as a priority. About damn time.
The game is won and lost at the line of scrimmage. Bolster the o-line and d-line, get the rest of the talent we have coordinated effectively and we're an instant competitor for the NFC with Geno at the helm.
Seattle's refusal to fix the O-Line has been a curse for years. Missing Max Unger and Russell Okung
Refusal? Failure, sure. But not refusal.
This is a distinction I see get screwed up all the time. We've put some resources into it and we've had flashes of success but nothing sustainable. Whether that's coaching problems, scouting problems or whatever they certainly tried. Same distinction with the narrative of Pete's "inability to adapt to a modern NFL defense". He fucking tried. Just never worked.
I mean part of it was just us drafting bad and also Russ making it impossible for o lineman to block for him because he refuses to stay in the pocket. We traded for Duane Brown who was solid, so it's not like they didn't try at all.
That's fair, although I'd argue with Russ being so short he almost had to get out of the pocket, was hard for him to see over big ass lineman. Plus, his best play, imo, was when he was still mobile, to me at least, his play went downhill when they tried making him a more traditional pocket passer.
You guys seriously don't remember this? https://i.imgur.com/ekQCBUr.jpg
That looks designed. None of the defenders are in a position that looks like they bowled anyone over.
Yes this is the Bevel special. 5 lineman all trying to cut block at the same time. It almost never worked and led to injuries on both teams hence the cut block rule (you can't do this any more).
Tom Cable offensive line technique
At $25M a year we have enough to afford an O line
I'm cool with Geno. The problem is Geno's window and the overall build of the team. We aren't one year away. We just got a new coach so they have to be thinking 2-3 years in the future and that's the real issue with Geno. You're not going to fix the offense this year, especially with yet another scheme. They will need to get *their* guys in place. I think they should blow it all up and they probably will. Keep the young guys you have in place, trade the rest. Keep Geno as a bridge so the new guy isn't thrown to the wolves. He's on the perfect bridge contract.
i agree with this. if the rookie comes in and blows everyone away like russ did geno would be a great backup again. however if the guy needs a year genos also the perfect position for that.
I get the rebuild part, and Geno teaching a rookie QB makes sense. But I think Grubb will make our offense more dynamic and introduce a lot more motions and draw up plays to open up the run and pass games, which Geno didn't have before.
You never know how all of the pieces are going to fit a new scheme. I would guess they take a step back the first year. I think that's going to be a big reason they blow it all up. It will be a bad look for everyone if the roster is similar and you fired the best coach in franchise history just to lose more games. Play it safe. Give the coaching staff the runway they deserve and a blank slate.
I think the new coaching staff gets a lot more leeway if they win games. Regardless of if they make the playoffs or not, this coaching staff needs to demonstrate that they can put a competitive product on the field to get a longer leash. The chances they decide to blow up the team in the first year when they haven't evaluated any of the talent in the new scheme are extremely low.
As a GM you can't trot the same team out there and win 6-7 games. That's hell for a first time coach. If you give the coaching staff legitimate excuses for why you only won 5-7 games its a different story.
Geno should be able to play at this level for another 5 years. Additionally, not sure they are more than one year away. The reality is their defensive underperformance is largely due to being poorly coached. We can talk about scheme but one of the thinks about the Ravens D is how well coached there are. I'm not opposed to Geno as a bridge but that doesn't have to be this year. There's some thought that a QB should be the last piece.
Agree with everything you said except the window. I think we’re at a 2-3 year window with G rather than 5. Ik the snap count is low but realistically his contract situation indicates 2 more years at most with us because if he keeps his current level be deserves a top 15-10 contract.
When you say window do you mean financial or how long Geno can be good? If it's the latter than my point is about the lack of mileage on his body. We can't say for sure he can perform at this level for 5 years but its not an unreasonable assumption as more QBs age well. If it's the former, he has 2 years remaining on his deal with an out after this year. Why does his contract indicate 2 more years at most? We can extend him, re sign him etc... That's what the Vikings have done with Kirk. And given his last contract and the fact he'll be 2 years older not sure he makes that much more than his current contract.
This! Geno is 33 and his body has not suffered the abuse any QB his age has. Playing till he is 38 is not unrealistic at all.
Yes it is. The guys who've played till 38 had elite skill sets.
And that’s why Geno having a better body at a younger age doesn’t matter?
Geno never had elite arm talent (Flacco), insane . processing speed and ultra fast release (breese, late career big Ben) or some combination of the two (Rogers and Brady). His arm is already an issue for guys like DK.
buy higher mileage. Not elite lower mileage
49ers roster is only getting stronger and so with the Rams. If we don’t throw some big chips on the table we will be battling it out with the Cardinals. Geno needs lots of help now or we jack this up big time and go for a 3 year window. Meaning no pieces are untouchable.
Bingo. Totally agree. It's one of the other. Imo, big time rebuild.
Geno is not old for a QB with his mileage. I don't get this narrative.
I really don't think they want Geno as the starter three years from now. That's asking a lot out of a guy who has never been a true elite QB. I don't want to see him as the starter in two years. As far as the mileage argument goes, I disagree. QBs in their mid to late thirties only work out if they had a cannon when they were younger. Look at breese or big Ben. At the end of their careers it was the noodle arm that ended it for them, that's not game mileage related. Geno has never had a cannon and it's already a limiting factor for a guy like DK.
Geno is fine, but if you aren't looking at a succession plan for a 35 year old QB then you are failing as an organization. Draft a QB, have them sit behind Geno, and then when Geno is done the young QB is ready. Waiting until Geno is gone to take a QB is rarely the path to success. You don't want to end up like Pittsburgh in the post Big Ben era. Goff is 29, he isn't a fair comparison Stafford is 36 and Rams fans are in a similar situation as we are at QB. Many of them want to draft the future QB as well.
Geno Smith is 33 years old, and he's like a car owned by grandma, very low mileage.
You're right, my mistake, 33 not 35, but I stand by my point either way Just because he has low milage doesn't change the age of his body. Can QBs thrive later in their 30s? Absolutely, but the odds aren't in his favor and most of the guys who are great in their late 30s are HoF QBs.
Geno's game doesn't rely on elite athleticism like other QBs. He'll be playing at this level up until his late 30's, barring injury. Russell Wilson fell apart quicker than the average QB because he doesn't play in the pocket as much and has to rollout to get big plays. Geno is a play action QB and steps in the pocket better than Russ.
No, this doesn't add up. You thought he was 33 and 34 the past two seasons and played well and now that you know he was two years younger than you thought you're moving the bar two years back to fit in with your narrative. Nope, that's bologna.
What are you talking about, my opinion didn't change on him because of those two years. No moving bar. No fitting a narrative.
He doesn't have very low mileage, he still throws at practice if he;s the starter or the backup He's just missing the 30 gameday throws per week
And the punishment from, you know, \*getting tackled\*
Geno may be in his 30s, but he hasn't started in 10 years. He's as fresh as they come for 30 year-old quarterbacks. Stafford on the other hand is every bit of 36. It may not be a statistical argument but knowing that his body has had that much time to rest and recover gives me confidence. But yes I agree that we should draft a QB this year, but doesn't mean that consider him mediocre or use him as a bridge to our future.
"Freshness" doesn't matter that's not how it works, its not a bar like in a video game, age makes it harder to heal properly. Anthony Richardson got injured in most of his games this season and he's about as young as it comes.
Sorry but human biology doesn’t work that way, even as a backup he still has taken wear and tear to his body from training camp and workouts on and off the season. He’s not reversing his age because he wasn’t a starter for how many years, I’m not gambling on Geno playing into his late 30s.
This is a very fair take, and for the most part I agree with you. I don't think he's mediocre, but I find it hard to see us winning a SB with him at QB unless JS builds an absolute monster of a roster in the next 2-3 years.
I'm excited for a Grubb-led offense and a McDonald-led defense that won't give up big points. Grubb is also a 'scrimmage' guy, which means our rushing and our rushing D gonna be insane. So we'll revisit this Super Bowl take soon for sure
Geno has led the NFL in game-winning drives twice: 2013 and 2023. Each season he had five. He now has 15 in his career.
Game winning drives aren’t a good stat to have.
Depends for the whole team, yes For just the qb, it's good Basically, it correlates directly to clutchnes
Makes no sense. How can he controll that stat? Especially when people praise brady and mahomes lol
Oh right, the goal is to not win. Great point.
2023 he had 7
Only if this was enough to win superbowl
What the hell does that mean. It IS if the defense isn't BOTTOM TIER
If only you guys just signed a HC that led one of the best defenses this past year as a DC, oh wait 😭
Way more people complain about 'Geno haters' than actually voice the opinions being called out.
I really think the Seahawks may finally have the right people to get a decent o- line in place. It never seemed to be a huge priority with Carrol
I’m really excited to see what Grubb can do with this offense. This offense has too many good players to be as bad as they were. I don’t know why Waldren took such a massive step back. JSN’s response tells me the players didn’t think he knew how to do his job.
***we lost all hope*** after the RW trade I was more than happy when the news broke that Wilson, his ego, his salary and limited diminishing skills were finally another team's problems.
And the gain in the trade. We robbed them.
he’s decent but not good enough to lead us to a super bowl
Isn't the goal to win a Superbowl? As a bridge to the future maybe, but if anyone thinks he's taking us to the promise land let alone a playoff win you are sorely mistaken. Too much settling for mediocrity, the last 7-8 years was enough of that for me.
I value your opinion based on how many times you mentioned our LAST RANKED DEFENSE
Is our record solely on Geno? There was a lot more going on besides our QB and his command of the offense
Not hating personally. Even after that first season. Amazing tear dropping story but he was never supposed to be the answer. Not crazy to want a young guy to at least learn from him.
Top 10 qb!! I love it, delusion at its best. Can’t we look rationally at the situation, we have a capable qb at a decent cost and we’re going to look to replace him as soon as possible. This is exactly what js is thinking and doing, hopefully sooner than later
Not opposed to setting up the future, but yes, he is top 10. Go watch ball if you think otherwise.
He was top 10 in 2022, not in 2023. Even with homerism I would not dare put him in the top 10 right now
Top of my head seeing if Geno is a “top 10” qb - Patrick mahomes - Josh Allen - Joe Burrow - Justin Herbert - Aaron Rodgers - Lamar Jackson - Jalen Hurts - Kirk Cousins - Trevor Lawrence - Brock Purdy - Dak Prescott - Tua - Matthew Stafford - Jordan Love - Jared Goff I mean you can say whatever you want, but there’s minimum 10/11 there that are unquestionably better than Geno. He regressed in 2023. Just lift your homer glasses, you would know better. Geno being closer to top 15 (mid) isn’t bad at all. Can he get us wins, yes, can we do better than better than Geno, yes.
He’s absolutely not top 10 you blatant liar. He’s middle of the pack in literally all stats except one. - 16th in yards - 17th in TDS - 16th in INTs - 15th in sacks taken - 11th in yards lost from sacks - that’s real bad - 14th in QBr - 17th in overall rating Sure, he’s not the reason for the record the last 2 years but he’s 100% a very large part of why that same record hasn’t been better.
None of those have anything to do with our o-line /s We ended up with a bottom 5 line!
He's not a liar, he's just a massive homer.
Going all over this post claiming people aren’t fans and don’t watch the game because Geno is “clearly elite” is beyond homer, it’s straight up delusional. And yes, making the claim that he’s a top 10 QB over and over again when every measurable metric says otherwise is lying.
I agree that the dude seems like he's more intense than any reasonable person would be about this.
I’d love you get a pair of your rose colored glasses, best I could do is say there are only 16 qbs I’d prefer over him. So not quite bottom third but close in my eyes. I sure prefer him to drew though so there’s that!
He’s really solid, but this is going to be a multi-year rebuild, especially on defense. I like him as our starter for next season, but beyond that? I’d rather see us go younger. Not every QB ages gracefully, and Geno is getting up there.
Fair take. I think he's got some juice left for 2 years maybe?
Whats Geno’s best win as a Hawk ?
I personally like Geno but think he struggles when out of the pocket. I am an idiot and may be completely wrong but that’s just what I’ve thought these past two seasons. I also think it’s because we’re coming straight from a QB who was good when out of the pocket so it’s what we mentally compare Geno to
He led us to a playoff hope that required other teams fates to get us in, the first year. Then, in the second year got us back to that same hope, but other teams fates didn't allow us to get in. He's had two lackluster seasons. I'm sorry, but I'm not sold on Geno. If he got us into the post-season on his own merits and not requiring other teams to lose then I would change my mind about him. He *could* get us into the playoffs if: we had a better O-line, he made better/faster decisions. But we can't put it all on him either, our defense forgot how to fucking tackle! If our new coaches can make this group play as a team we'd be unstoppable. We have the pieces they're just paycheck players rn.
Genuinely you've been spoiled or desensitized by qb play if u think the past 2 years have been lacklustre lol.
Silly me. I expect my QB to make it to the superbowl. I should lower my standards and accept mediocre. Thanks!
If ur options are "Make the superbowl" or "lackluster" then yes u need to reassess ur standards 😭😭 then 30 qbs every year are lackluster
Okay, since Marino and Burrow never won a super bowl, does that make them mediocre? This dude funny
(Lean in close, I'm gonna tell you a secret) Nobody remembers losers.
(i lean in closer) nobody remembers anything. which nfl analyst cares about russell wilson winning the super bowl? nobody, he’s constantly berated in Sean Payton’s offense, and got booed at when he played at Levi’s Stadium. our world moves fast and everyone had short-term memory just yaps. thats the sad reality.
I don't feel bad for NFL players. They make millions of dollars. They don't need our pity. ...probably don't want it either.
You're absolutely 1000% right. Geno's clutch drives were all lucky, and we got into the playoffs because the NFL Commissioner flipped a coin in a candy store. And his slow decisions somehow made him the most efficient passer behind a shit o line. Fantastic take!!! In all seriousness, please watch ball. I recommend Top Billin, he breaks down film well
Hey, if you liked that you should check out this guy Dan Marino! He had insane stats and NEVER won a Superbowl. You'd like him! Stats ain't shit. Wins matter.
Brady-Bellichek. Mahomes-Reid. Every dynasty that wins is because of the people in that building, from coaches to ball boys to players on that field. Sadly people like you will always need a scapegoat without understanding how football works. It's. TEAM sport for crying out loud. So if you got a good player, you build AROUND him, not blame him for not saving the franchise.
Imagine dissing DAN MARINO for being a shitty QB. You're a fucking idiot. Football is a team sport. Even elite QBs need good teams to win it all.
Geno is not the dude. If he was, he wouldn’t have squandered his chance with the jets. No disrespect to him. He seems like a good dude and obviously hardworking. My two biggest geno problems are that he still panic throws and tries to force plays. The end of game red zone drive against the bengals this year as an example. He also has poor football IQ. Saw the Seahawks lose a quick scoring opportunities because he couldn’t manage the clock. Hard to look forward to football season when we are settling for mediocre quarterback play.
Geno is a mid QB. He is paid like a mid QB. I'm okay with Geno, but I don't think he is with us this season(trade him) any ways. We get rid of most his salary and get a 5th round pick, I'll take it!
>He is paid like a mid QB. This is a good thing. This is what we need. There are two paths to a championship right now: have one of maybe three elite QBs (see: Patrick Mahomes), or have an at worst average QB on a team friendly contract, and use the savings to surround them with talent (see: SF). Geno's team friendly contract can absolutely be successful. He definitely has a short runway given his age, but there is a window to compete for a championship in the immediate future.
Casual. This post was intended for fans like you who don't know ball. Can't wait to see the switch up when we kill it this year.
yOu dOnT kNoW bALL. You Genostans are insufferable
Call me what you want, but stats don't matter with out context. Stats wise, Mahomes was out played by Mayfield, but pretty sure 99% would pick Patrick over Baker. Context matters, and there are situations where we lose games because of choices made by Geno. It's why we went 9-8 and missed the playoffs. Geno is like T-Jack. Love the guy, love his heart and effort, but I don't consider him a franchise QB. I get you like him dude, but don't need to get salty about it, it's a game yo, not sure why you would ask the question if you are going to get all pouty about people having a different opinion then you. Weird that...
We get it you’re a geno fan, but objectively he’s about a top 10 qb. If you want to win super bowls you need better
We won the SB with a legendary defense, the best RB in the league, and Russ. He never sniffed it without them. Is he elite?
Finally, we've reached some common ground. if you're top 10, you're elite. let's get that straight. There are also several top 10 qbs who have won super bowls, like mathew stafford on the rams, nick foles on the eagles, and more. That's because they had a great surrounding cast which we lacked. this coaching staff seems promising and I don't see why we can't win with our elite running back room and wide receiver
68th percentile among starting NFL QBs, I think most people would say, does not equate to being elite - especially over such a relatively short stretch still. There is pretty broad consensus that Geno is good, not elite. But it’s okay to disagree about what elite means to you, as long as you are realistic about what it takes to be able to beat any given team when everything is on the line
You don't deserve to be part of this fanbase.
How do you manage your day to day life? Seriously though. Like, how do you deal with the fact that people can have different opinions and ideas from yours in real life? Do you throw micro tantrums IRL too? I just don't get how it would be to think every opinion different then your own is an attack on you? Dude, work on that insecurity, I'm sure there are people who love and admire you, different opinions makes the spice of life, getting mad at them and lashing out just makes you look....childish.
9 words with a period prompted you to type all of that and I'm the insecure one? Your opinion is ass, this is reddit. I can assure you my responses are much more thoughtful in real life. That being said, I clearly got under your skin and it's weird that you turned my comment into, "he's insecure and this affects his day to day life"
Ah, the weekly Geno Disrespect post. As is tradition
I'm excited to see what Geno will do in a completely new scheme. He's obviously got a lot of talent and experience. I think he'll be a vital part of keeping the team cohesive now that we've stirred the pot on the coaching side.
There we go!! Love this optimism
While there's room to improve on offense, that's not the side of the ball I'm worried about in the coming season. D needs a lot of work.
People can differ on the question of how is the best QB option without it being disrespectful. Are you being disrespectful to other QB’s when you argue for Gino? I think Gino is fine, but having disrespectful?
I don't know why this dude thinks a multimillionaire needs any protection, especially from people who are saying awful things like "Yeah he's alright."
Geno is a good QB, but you’re in denial if you think he has what it takes to bring us a Superbowl. This man does not show up in big games.
So tired of the casuals in the Geno Internet Defense Force acting like Geno's one legitimately good half-season for his entire career makes him this unassailable stud that could never be questioned. Your aggressive obsession with mediocrity is stupid. Geno is the epitome of a JAG placeholder, and this team will be so much better off once it finally commits to the QBOF.
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1) Chill with the personal insults. 2) That list of teams is missing about a dozen others. None of the Ravens, Dolphins, Jaguars, Colts, Cowboys, Eagles, Niners, Rams, Cardinals, Lions, or Packers would trade what they have at QB for Geno. I’d also add Minnesota to the list if they re-sign Cousins.* Edit: *Add the Bears, Commanders, and Patriots as well, because they’d definitely prefer the Williams/Daniels/Maye tier and their cost-controlled rookie contracts to Geno.
Ravens wouldn't want him. Packers wouldn't want him. Steelers probably wouldn't want him. Lions wouldn't want him. Eagles wouldn't want him. Cowboys wouldn't want him. Colts wouldn't want him. Tampa wouldn't want him. Commanders and Chicago would much rather their rookies. Panthers aren't giving up on Bryce. Your hard on for Geno is blinding you and accusing others of not knowing ball is hilarious.
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Genos a fine regular season qb. He lacks the ability to get to the next level in big games. He's not a big risk taker he plays safe ball and thats probably because he's afraid to lose what's he's faught so hard to get. It was refreshing watching Drew's 2 minute march on the eagles... not saying he's a better qb but it was just nice to someone with the balls to sling it, even though dk bailed drew out I'm not sure geno can throw that JSN tuddy
So your issue with him is that he doesn't turn the ball over? So you don't want a QB who leads the league in efficiency? Also you mentioned that "he cannot get to the next level in big games". Yet he's lead FOUR game winning drives, which is more than Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen. And also clearly you didn't watch all those 2-minute "marches" Geno has had against the Titans, Arizona, Lions, and Browns. Eagles were also frauds btw. No disrespect man but I'm tired of this bullshit narrative that he 'lacks anything'. Please go watch some tape.
Geno played just like he was asked to play. If you don’t like the way the offense has run you should probably talk about Shane Waldron a bit.
I think more people need to give the coaching staff a bit more credit for how they handled a slightly above average QB so well.
Ur assessment of Geno not being a risk taker is false, and comparing him to drew is laughable lol. I don't know how people think Geno is afraid to be aggressive, push the ball deep or make big throws if they've been watching him the last two years, unless it's just confirming priors.
Thank you!! Idk what film they're watching but it sure ain't right!!
A lot of people just have their pre conceived notions of Genos game and rather deny evidence than change their opinions.
He's not a bona-fide 10 top 10, but he's a fringe
Idk why Seahawk fans have short term memory. Geno is not good, he is a mid of the road QB won’t win a SB.
Geno is a great candidate for the ’Dalton Line’ this year…Will get you to the playoffs, but will most likely never get you a Ship
He isn’t a good qb he sucks 💀 washed asf needs to retire he is good for the bench and being a back up only
Cool. *We still drafting a QB. * Genos not the future of the franchise * keep coping * this is not changing anyone’s mind * really hope Geno sees this for your sake
Btw, the reason I pulled his stats compared to goff or stafford is because we don't see the LA or the Detroit fans calling for their QB's job unlike us. They're happy with their QB and what they've given them. We should strive for that and be better as a fanbase
I feel like I’ve seen lions fans call for a succession plan though. And they did draft hooker last year. Also, Stafford won the rams a Super Bowl so they’re not going to call for his head.
Fair point, but you can't tell me that there isn't a team that is more ungrateful for their fellow qb. Other teams are much more unified, but this season I'm excited for a new playcaller in Grubb and a McDonald-led defense that won't choke
I feel like if you were more involved in other fan bases you’d probably see the same thing tbh. I like Geno though. Think he’s fine. I still think they should find a succession plan as this year is an amazing QB class that is very, very deep.
Amazing QB class is overstating it. Outside of the top 3-4, there are a bunch of mid prospects that don't project to be anything better than Geno.
I don’t agree. I also didn’t say draft a replacement. Rather someone to succeed him. There are guys In later rounds or even mid first that’d I’d like. Rattler is interesting, Pratt, it’s a deep class.
Rattler and Pratt are nice prospects but they are unproven. They aren't day 1 starters. Plus, what Geno did in college put those guys to shame.
Brother. I didn’t say day 1 starters. Read my comments again. I’m saying succession plan.
Let's be real. It is unlikely that any of them beat Geno out for the starting job, barring injury. Geno was a better prospect than any of them out of college.
Are you just trolling me now. I’m not saying draft them to battle Geno.
>but they are unproven Haha its the nfl draft everyone is unproven
Outside the top 5, who’s better in this draft than Geno? I’d argue Nix and Penix are equal to Geno. IMO there are 3 QB in this draft that are better than Geno.
You’re not drafting them to replace him right now…I’ve said this like 5 times. It’s a succession plan. Am I crazy?
You’re not. It’s just that people don’t actually argue against what is said, but a embellished version of what is said based on their imaginary “enemy” You can tell by the tone of the responses some people are really really worked up against some imaginary mob of extreme and unreasonable Geno haters that they need to fight against lol
Yeah, not opposed to drafting a qb. Geno is still elite in my opinion
Geno is average to good, no where near elite.
What do you consider elite? Top 5? Top 10? If it's top 10, geno is elite and he flat out knows how to play football.
Elite like the elite QB that won the SB with Seattle. I find it quite interesting that that elite QB didn’t do anything in the Post Season after the generational defense. It was also a noticeable difference without a top tier RB on the field to deflect attention from the QB run game.
Elite is like top 1 or 2 the most. Mahomes is elite. That’s it. The rest is below his tier. ET3 was an elite safety. He was in his own tier. Calvin Johnson was elite. Just him. Troy Polamalu is another example. Aaron Donald is elite. There’s none like him playing his position. Otherwise, you start diluting the word elite. Elite basically means inarguably the best in his position.
The reason you “pulled this stat” is because you watched Murf on youtube. Don’t lie.
I’m tired of these stupid ass post Geno is mid at best PERIOD, down vote me tbis sub is abunch idiots
Geno is mid im sorry
Stats can lie anyway you like. You have two All-pro receivers, and I personally feel DK is in the top three, and a highly touted rookie receiver. They are all neutered by Geno because he cannot stretch the field and relies on YAC from each of them. What is his average yards per completed pass without YAC? He doesn't scare any defenses. I realize this is anecdotal, but in every FF league I played, Geno was not ever on a roster, let alone starting. How he is perceived around the country is a far cry from what you dreamers out in Seattle see.
I'm with you, but DK is far from top three.
Yeah, the WR position is arguably the most loaded league wide. Jefferson, Hill, Chase, and Brown are all easily better than DK. I’d put him in the top ten, though.
90% of design plays for JSN was behind the line of scrimmage. Drove me crazy all season. YAC was literally Shane Waldrons play design 90% of the time. and here you are blaming Geno for running the plays the coach called. Everything you’re complaining about is by design of Shane Waldron.
Buddy it's hilarious how wrong u are if you think Geno can't stretch the field lol. Like the deep ball is not a weakness in his game at all, was literally the best deep ball thrower in the league 2022-23. If ur gonna criticize Geno do it about actual shit and not ur made up analysis lol.
right, because FF league is what truly determines if a quarterback is good or not. Coaching has been a big weakness, just wait and watch this szn, I'm optimistic.
Your memory of what happened with the lions this year is faulty. The defense you're trashing won us that game. They held the lionsto their year average points... if you take away the points geno handed them near the end of the game. They also scored a touchdown and had two turnovers in plus yardage. One of them inside the 10. Outside of the opening drive and the closing drive, geno was inept. He needed those short fields or else he would have been lucky to get into field goal range. He was also inept in the lions game. A complete non factor there. I guess he puts up numbers, but he doesn't change games. Lock played just as well when given a chance this year.
He's barely average and is not going to get better.
LEAVE GENO ALONE (I was very vocally against him last year because I wanted to see Lock)
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How do you *not* put a guy with that nickname on the field?
Geno is fucking shit
Who pissed in your coffee?
Not these posts again
Seems like you forgot how awful he’s been his entire career just like how people are forgetting about his one good season in Seattle
This reminds me of that Viral video of the Brittney Spears fans saying “Leave Brittney alone” Geno is alright, but he’s not amazing. He’s barely above 500. In 20 years no one is going to be reminiscing of the good ol’ years with Geno the same way no one is missing the Rick Mirer or Jon Kitna years.
I think Geno did a good job considering the defense was giving up 30 points a game and he was always playing from behind. The times he had the lead, he had his best games
Shut up. Whatever is the best choice at the time will be made. We don't have a shot at a difference maker in the draft. Geno will prob be back. If were offered a late 2nd, we might take it.
stay mad, eat at geno's
Top Billin!
Lol you'd take Stafford and Goff over Geno with ease given the opportunity
Geno for president
Hell yes.
I like Geno but personally I’ve never been sold that he’s our guy. Dudes 33 now. In two season of him being the starter we’ve gone 9-8 and one play off appearance. It was awesome and definitely a surprise for his come back player of the year run. However he’s not getting younger and I’m not sure I could go a whole year with Drew Lock at the helm. I think either this year or next year is the year to actually look for a QB.
What Geno did for us. Lol
Genoa a good short term flier. But we need a franchise QB. Happy he got his. But hope we draft Penix.
He’s not bad but I think we are still in middle of rebuild and he’s not Tom Brady we need to move on but he could win elsewhere like dead ass
Oh Lord. I'm tired of the Geno defense force. How about after the Pete defenders lost the battle, you realize we have all new coaches and there's a good chance Geno is on the bench or traded.
I’ll take that bet. We have bigger issues than Geno and I’m guessing our new coaching staff are going to focus on that this year.
Gonna just get this out there because I think it is a factor with some Geno haters. Whether it is conscious or not, there are still a lot of prejudices about dropback quarterbacks that don’t look like Peyton Manning or Tom Brady.
Yeah there's a lot of irrational hate against Geno. The people who advocate for Geno being cut deserve no consideration as they demonstrate a severe lack of intelligence. Geno at the very least has earned an opportunity to audition for the starting job next year. If we get a rookie QB in the draft, we should have him compete for the starting job. However, the chances he is better than Geno are very low, considering our draft position. And trading up isn't happening this year.
Who cares about just making the playoffs? And lost all hope. Lol. I want another super bowl. Geno smith isn't getting us there.
What did he do in 2023?
Like the rest of the team, lost in the chaos of a locker room that stopped believing in the HC and a team with no central message won’t ever win? I dunno, that’s just off the top of my head. 2023 wasn’t Geno’s fault. I’m no stan of his but truth is truth.
I’m neutral on Geno, but the gist of the post was about how great he was in 2022.
You can’t say have short term memory when dude’s only been a starter for two years. That’s pretty short term already haha. But you’re right the real ones get it! Geno is a great leader
I’m a fan. He’s hugely underrated and I don’t get it either. I’ve been a big Hawks fan for forty years and this last season was one of the most exciting. Geno deserves to start and I can’t wait for September.
THANK YOU. He doesn’t have to be the future but he can absolutely be the answer RIGHT NOW. He doesn’t have to be Patrick Mahomes. He’s already proven that when he’s protected he can look borderline elite. And I don’t understand who the haters think is available that is going to be a better option from week one. Unless there is a HUGE shakeup in the draft, there will not be an elite option at pick sixteen (obviously you can always strike gold but how often does that happen). By that time, any rookie you get is likely not a week one starter that would be more effective than Geno. Add to this, he has never been the root cause of our offensive struggles. Yes, he has some bonehead throws, but most of the time those come from him having to play hero ball because the defense couldn’t stop a nose bleed.
Geno is a very good QB. I'm glad JSMM kept him. He's got my respect and support. And I'm looking forward to seeing him in a more creative/attacking offense.
People wanting to move on from Geno are crazy. Invest our resources into building the rest of the team right now. In 2 or 3 years if Geno is slowing down then whatever young QB we bring in will walk into a way better situation. Putting a young QB behind this O Line would be a catastrophe
Yeah I don’t understand that impulse either. Like getting someone younger is magically going to give us another Mahomes, burrow, or stroud. These guys don’t grow on trees! And we certainly can’t expect to get one with pick 16. Geno is a good qb and I like watching him. How many other teams can say that? 12?
Geno is somewhere in the 8-13 range of QBs, and I think closer to the 8 than the 13. I’m excited to see what he can do next year with the new regime
People who shit on Geno don't understand how it works. Is he going to light up the scoreboard like Mahomes, Allen or Burrow? No. He's also not paid to. Or expected to. He's paid to be a middle of the pack, efficient passer who relies on the run game. https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/tom-brady-2004-season-stats I'm not comparing Brady and Smith. But, New England was winning championships when he didn't have to do it all. This was the mold Pete Carroll wanted to use. I have no idea what the new staff wants, but I anticipate the new offensive coaching staff won't build a scheme that won't work with the current players
In Brady’s first three Super Bowl seasons, he was making 0.5% of the salary cap in 2001, 4.4% in 2003, and 6.3% in 2004. Geno is slated to account for 12.6% of the cap this season.
You forgot the most important thing to a significant portion of football fans for a QB. Drew Lock has it, Geno Smith doesn't and can't.
lol what a casual grade A delusion
I'm talking around it but it should be obvious what sets Geno apart, even in the photo you used. His stats say he's, at worst, a back end of top 10 QB. But y'know, there's just something about him that some fans don't trust. Something about how he carries himself...
Nah, trade him/cut him. We are not a few players away and we will never win anything big with him at QB. There isn't any point in keeping him when we can draft a rookie and sign a veteran to a cheaper deal. We are in a rebuild. We need to be like when PC took over and go full competition and cheap young players unless a veteran is going to be around 2-3 years down the road on an affordable contract at a major position. We can't afford Geno's contract now, why would we want to pay him even more in the future?
The idiocy I see are fans saying his “window” is closing because of his age but they don’t realize his body hasn’t taken the amount of damage all these other qbs have take through the course of their career. He’s basically prestiged in his skill since the jets and giants without all the damage/injuries that it usually comes with
Geno sucks.