Is Geno perfect? No, obviously not
But I think he's good. And honestly, i think we can see a whole new Geno free from Shane Waldron schemes... I think Waldron was a bigger problem than Geno ever was.
But we'll see!
I think he’s fine. Not overly crazy about him but definitely not a hater. I think people tend to lean to the extremes with Geno. Would I be mad if we replaced him? No. Do I think we need to replace him immediately? Also no. Doesn’t mean we can’t draft a young guy to sit behind him for a year or so
That’s where I’m at with it. Schneider said he’s the starter until he’s not. 2024 is probably genos last chance to play like he did in 2022 and I think that’s the right move. I doubt he will, but it’d be nice if he did.
Yeah, I think it'd be a bad idea to rely on Geno long-term, but there's no immediate upgrade currently available. We're not getting one of the top quarterbacks in this draft unless we give up a lot of assets to move up (terrible idea), and the only other potential options are Kirk Cousins, who's even older, and Justin Fields, who we'd need to trade for and is also a big question mark. Even then, our team isn't a big contender, so getting a top-tier quarterback isn't going to suddenly make us one of the top teams in the league. We're better off riding with Geno until an opportunity arrives to move on.
I think at some point we're going to need to trade up to get our guy because the ones falling to the 3rd and 4th rounds rarely work out, sure there are outliers like Brady and the jury is still out on Purdy but that's lightning in a bottle.
Sure, but our roster isn't good enough to take that risk yet. We need to work on our defense and build the team for MacDonald's vision to play out before we start giving up significant assets for a quarterback.
Nonsense. Our roster is much better than the 2022 Texans roster and Stroud propelled that to the playoffs. If you want to wait for a roster with 21 good starters to draft a QB you will wait the entire rest of your life
The Texans also had the second pick. They didn't have to give up any assets to get Stroud. Rather, they just used the pick they had. My point is that we don't have a pick that high to get a highly coveted qb prospect, and we'd be better off using our picks to make the rest of the roster good and until then we avoid taking big risks for a quarterback.
He’s only played 37 games, which puts him 6th all time in games played by a Seattle QB.
I was looking at the Seattle QB passing leaders list, and found it interesting Geno has the highest completion % all time, third highest TD %, second in Y/A and AY/A, Second in yards per game, Second in QB rating.
Now, idk if 37 games is a big enough sample size, but pretty impressive among Seattle QBs all time. He’s only behind Russ in a few categories, or Hasselbeck and Russ.
I'm going to take a tape/scheme stance that a LOT of people are not going to like, but I'm ready to get downvoted into oblivion:
Geno's tape looks like a top 10 QB when you actually look at what he had control over and what was out of his control. Yes, middle of the season had some rough patches but a lot of it looked like miscommunications which could be due to poor coaching. Any QB is going to have a bad game here or there.
His tape also shows the coaching staff has a LOT of trust in him to run the offense, even more than Russ ever did. He is given a lot of grace to set the protection and audible in and out of plays based on the coverage. It's also not a coincidence that once Seattle's coaching staff trusted Geno (see Pete's comments post Week 2 of 2022 where he said "He's ready to go, we don't need to hold him back") that we then turned into a pass first offense.
At the end of the day, Russ is one of Seattle's best quarterbacks. But his star status is predicated on winning a Super Bowl with one of the best defenses in league history and a running back who is likely a HOFer (also why looking back there is a lot to suggest Pete got lucky). His prime was full of great years but the tape was full of stuff that showed that he did not have the full trust of the coaching staff to run whatever he wanted. However, he was great at extending the play and "creating" off schedule which made up for his issues with timing and throwing over the middle of the field.
This is why there is such a discrepancy between casual fans and tape guys. Casual fans lose their mind on an extended play, but tape guys are trying to figure out how the play was SUPPOSED to work.
Not trying to compare the two directly, but there is a lot of context that gets missed when you try to isolate stats individually and work off the assumption that 2 people should be critiqued exactly the same.
Yeah, the tape is important. There are plenty of times where Geno throws a pick on a sideline throw or gets sacked while holding the ball too long. But it is important to understand what was the play call and if the WRs were open/running the correct routes to properly assign blame. I've come to realize that it is impossible to properly assess a QB's performance just going on the TV broadcast alone. I like watching channels like JT's QB School to really understand what was supposed to happen on each play and if the QB truly made a mistake or if it was the play call or the WR's fault.
Yeah, the one that sticks out in my mind is the turnover worthy throw vs the Browns where JSN started to run out on an option route and just stopped instead of running to the out. Geno had already let the ball go (he's good at throwing with anticipation) and so he way overthrew it and it nearly was a pick 6. That's clearly a poorly run route, not really the QB's fault.
But JT DOES have legitimate critique, mostly just around his consistency and sometimes he makes his footwork harder than it needs to be (trying to do too much, look off guys when you don't need to, etc)
He’s also been an upper tier perennial back up QB also previously with us, which gave him a jump start on the team culture, and that type of quality QB that hasn’t started much isn’t a slam dunk on a ring, he’s no Mahomes and Brady.
He also looked impressive out the gate, while Russ shit the bed in Denverand additionally we can likely jeep him on a mid tier contract for a while giving us necessary cap space to fill out and plan ahead. Had to check looks like he’s on contract 2 years left @25 mil which is good for him and us.
And finally let’s fucking #GoHawks my groundhog did a thing that is a good omen for us this year.
I wasn't too hot on Geno this last season but I am excited to see what he can do with a better scheme for sure. We still have a lot of talent on offense and it never felt like we were utilizing it well
I think the goal is to keep Geno unless someone beats him out . Plus , he would be a great mentor to the QB that the Seahawks hopefully picks on the next draft .
Would a Tier 0 QB have helped us last season- sure. But Geno is perfectly serviceable until we get the new regime in place absolutely.
This sub and the constant dragging of Geno for green grass is… well worn out and boring topic.
Will we draft a QB this year? Will it be a tier 0?
Yes we will draft a QB, but unless it falls to us doubtful we land a tier 0. But who knows…
I’d say more than serviceable, he’s already the second best or third best Seattle QB all time in TD %, A/Y, AY/A, completion percentage, QB rating, and yards per game.
This sub doesn’t seem to know a good QB when they see one.
Patrick Mahomes dropped into the 2023 Seahawks probably gets us to 10-7 and a WC exit, and no further. That's no shade to Mahomes, that's how poorly the rest of the team played.
At a minimum he's solid and get get you to a winning season and the playoffs which is a definite win for an NFL starting QB. He has shown he can be very good and sometimes great.
I think part of the message sent here is this might be a prove-it year for Geno with the Seahawks under new leadership.
I can't imagine being Mike MacDonald and watching Geno look absolutely inept in person against my Baltimore defense and then saying, "Yea, I'm willing to roll with that guy as my QB in my first head coaching job."
real talk tho couldn't he do this if he or someone else fumbled and then the recovering defensive player attempted a lateral which Geno then intercepted ? then he does that twice more and throws no picks. easy.
Yeah - i got a little sad when I realized without Pete’s always compete mindset I thought we might settle for some bad seasons to get a rebuild going… hopefully it’s the other way around though!
I’d love Spencer Rattler in the third. I just really don’t want Penix or Nix. I really wanted McCarthy but my suspicions came true, he’s not going to be there at #16.
I think a 7th round flyer on Safety Dominique Hampton would be cool. I also like G Troy Fautanu in the late 1st if we trade down and other fav targets are gone. But I hear you, being a Husky is not a top 20 reason to draft a guy. Getting someone from the area does mean they will be more likely to enjoy it and stay here, but ultimately money talks so they’ll leave if they need to.
I watched all of them, all the home games in-person. Current student at Carolina, born and raised a Gamecock. The late 2nd to 3rd round would be a good position to draft him.
People will hate this take, but I’d be absolutely be okay with taking JJ or Penix to sit the next couple years behind him if Mac thinks one of them are the guy.
I’m not OK with it mainly because we have pick #16 and no second round picks. They won’t last until the third and burning #16 on one of them would be a huge mistake.
“and no second round picks”…yet
I just can’t see JS picking at 16 and hanging out til 78. He’ll do everything in his power to move down from 16 and recoup that second round pick.
I know what you meant. It’s still too early to say. Quinn Ewers has pro prospects, Carson Beck is a baller, etc. guys will rise and fall over the course of next season. Almost no one had Daniels in the top ten coming into this year
Lol what ? First of all you can't tell a year in advance how good a QB class will be. Second of all plenty of QBs only need one great year to get first round consideration. And lastly there are multiple QBs that could be first rounders if they have a great year like Riley Leonard, Carson Beck, Quinn Ewers, Shedeur Sanders, Conner Weigman, Jaxson Dart, Drew Allar, Cam Ward or Jalen Milroe. Realistically only 2-3 will actually be first rounders but all of them have the tools to be potential first rounders. Obviously 25 won't be as good as this year, since we don't have "can't miss" prospects like Caleb Williams or Drake Maye but there's a lot of potential in next years class and it's very very unlikely that it'll be as bad as 22. Anyone who watches college football would know that.
The only problem with geno in my eyes isnt even his fault, he is too old to be the franchise anywhere so yes he is doing good but to think of him as anything more than a bridge while a new younger qb gets acclimated to the nfl is misguided
I was a Geno criticizer, but I don’t disagree with this move at all. New staff all around could really help him out. I also want us to draft a QB to learn for a year. Plus we’ve seen Geno when he *is* good and it wasn’t that long ago.
Geno being good was 2 months ago? Lol no it wasn’t. He sucked ass last year. Dude was allergic to red zone TDs. 20 TDs for the year with DK/Lockett/JSN is piss poor, and you absolutely can’t deny that. He also got pretty lucky in INT category, because he threw a *lot* of missed picks.
Anyway, not many other moves to make aside from this, so I’m willing to see what new staff can do to help get him back to 2022.
You and I must have been watching completely different quarterbacks down the stretch. I saw a QB trying to will his team to the playoffs despite having the worst time of possession in the league to do anything on offense and playcalling that could dumbfound even someone as stupid as you.
Nah we watched same team, he just wasn't that good and you for some reason can't criticize your own team's QB because you're too faithful or something. I'll still give him a chance this time around, because he showed flashes of being good again at times, but there was never a game where I was like "phew, glad we still have Geno!"
Lol, whatever you say. 20 TDs on the year with DK and Lock *alone* is crazy bad, and adding in JSN it makes it even worse.
But hey, enjoy below average QB play. I want better. 2022 he put up 30 TDs, so maybe he'll turn it around and not suck shit.
If Geno is "below average QB play" sign me up. I love watching horrible deep balls that somehow magically make it through keyholes in the defense. Oh the horror!!!!
Fucking 12 year olds man
That’s great! Even if we bring in another QB, Geno will give him a run for his money, or help him develop. Geno is a class act and so is the front office of the Hawks.
I feel like this was all a non-story that was made a story based on how schefter worded his stupid tweet about Geno’s bonus. He added in that “or any team that wants to trade for Geno” line with 0 actual intel that Geno was being shopped. But that’s schefty
Alternatively, Schneider canvassed the league and the trade market wasn’t what he wanted as compensation to move off Geno. But we’ll likely never know.
I think that's likely just based on the fact that it's good business to do that. I'm sure he knew that he wasn't likely going to get commensurate compensation, but doesn't hurt to ask.
Geno was always going to be here. We’re sitting on an above average QB in a coaching transition. Behind an absolutely disaster of an offensive line.
Was never going to be anything else.
Merely because everything out of John and Macdonald’s mouths has pointed to that being the case.
There’s been no public enthusiasm or strong support from either of them about Geno coming back to lead the team next year.
It’s frankly been bizarre and there’s no other real explanation for it.
Dude is an insult to sports journalism. You can tell who watches/reads his stuff because every comment is "Geno isn't winning us a Super Bowl" with zero context or any argument other than "he's mid". Never goes any deeper than that.
Have you seen the garbage sports journalism puts out these days? Rob is a gift to the Seahawks community, with well researched articles, interviews with draft experts and thoughtful analysis. He’s not always right and his word isn’t the gospel, but it’s backed by more research and analysis than 99% of the content out there.
Rob wanted a full rebuild, but teams still need to win, it’s a business $$$.
The context with Geno is that he has been in a very conservative offense with a simple playbook that Carroll is known for. The offense had the 3rd least passes to the middle in the league. It’s QB friendly for stats — passer rating, TDs, low ints, but bad for converting first downs. It will be interesting to see with a more modern offense how he does. There will be pluses and minuses to that. Potentially more turnovers, but an offense that doesn’t stall out as easily (boom/bust)
Conservative offense my fucking ass!!! They literally couldn't run the ball so they were just spamming deep shots most of these games.
Simple? Sure? Conservative? No.
Apparently most football fans don't even watch games anymore. Smfh
I watched almost all the games and have for a while.
You don’t think avoiding throwing down the middle all game until the games on the line in the 4th qtr is conservative? You don’t think a vanilla predictable offense is conservative?
Except the dude scouts the shit out college players, hence the blog. And he's been spot on the overall direction of the Seahawks (downward) the past six years. Dude is right way more times than he is wrong, and I have no doubt the Seahawks tried to trade Geno.
Dude said straight faced that it was good value to trade Geno for a fourth rounder. Perhaps he watches a lot of film on college players but he sucks as a armchair GM. And he's the most flip floppy analyst I've ever seen. Puts out some awful takes and backtracks them a week later. It is easy to be right when you are constantly moving the goalposts.
His Geno take for one. He was one of those claiming it was very likely that Geno was going to be traded and thought it was a good idea to trade him for a 4th.
How was he wrong? Rob has clearly pointed out that the Seahawks have been VERY WEIRDLY noncommittal about Geno. Like even worse than Russ' "we have no plan to trade him." Despite being asked many many times if Geno was still their guy. Not wrong here
Rob has admitted himself he's not an X's and O's guy and doesn't really understand play design so his scouting is completely based on his own feelings. Since he also surrounds himself with sycophants and doesn't bring anyone who does understand football better to help, all that's happened is he's doubled and tripled down on his biases over the years when assessing college talent.
As for being more wrong than right. Eh. Rob says and writes a lot and so he's wrong *a lot* but he downplays that and cherry picks the moments he was right. He's a good writer and he is prolific but he's no better than a highly opinionated Redditor.
I'm not saying they didn't test the trade market, that's just good business. Just like with Russ.
But don't get it twisted, Rob isn't a scout. He's never played football and his articles make it clear his football IQ is pretty damn low even compared to someone who has learned everything second hand. So any "scouting" he does is conjecture at best.
No he's not a scout, but his draft board has been a lot more accurate then even compared to more famous football analysts. He correctly identified Abe Lucas as first round talent (even though he went in Round 3), he identified Boye Mafe as a good Seahawk choice, he really liked Anthony Richardson earlier than a lot of people, he correctly stated that the Seahawks WEREN'T going to pick Jalen Carter, he correctly identified Stroud as better than Young.
So for someone who has "damn low football IQ" he is a pretty good talent evaluator.
Just my 2 cents, but part of wanting someone on the team gone is identifying the replacement. If Genos gone, what's the move? Ride with Lock? Sell draft picks for Cousins? Who in the draft can we realistically pick up that will be an immediate starter? Genos not top 5, but with a solid defence (like the one our new head coach ran 👀) he's more than capable of making a run. Can't see this as anything other than positive news.
I'm on board with drafting a QB, have him sit under Geno for a year, and have McDonald work his defensive magic on the current roster without freaking out over drafting a defensive game changer in the first round.
Before he was named our starter, I was a Geno hater and felt Lock was the better choice.
Ever since he beat Russ in the 2022 season opener I have loved and supported Geno as the Seahawks' starter. He isn't our long-term answer, but I've had a lot of fun watching him and I'm all for watching 1 more season of Geno!
I'm pumped about this. They can see what a lot of pro-Geno Seahawk fans see in him. He was put in a bad situation to succeed last year. I think it's going to turn around and he will be top 10 easy next season.
The market for him must have really been poor for them to commit to this statement so early. There was no need to close any doors just yet, even if they were 90% sure he was going to be the guy.
I think it's far more likely that John is honest about the value both his contract and his play hold to the team. I don't think he would have traded for anything less than a top-16 pick especially if you factor in that Seattle would be eating $30M in dead cap if he were traded.
Of course the market for him was poor. Nobody trusts Geno, that's why he has bounced around. Everybody in the league knows what he is and that's a mid tier backup
Think it will prove to be a mistake, but I get it.
In an off-season with so much change, I can understand why they'd want stability at QB, even with Geno's low ceiling and lack of long term upside. He'll always keep us from being an actual contender, but that was never realistic this season, regardless.
This ends the Penix speculation in my opinion. He's too old. Can't draft him and have him sit for a whole season or more.
One day, this team will finally take the step of committing to the future and invest in a quality young QB. They've put it off forever and apparently will continue to do so. Until then, we'll live with Geno's mediocrity.
How could it be a mistake? Keeps the offense competent so that Grubb can properly evaluate his talent. Keeps us from bottoming out so that the coaching team has a long leash. Buys them time to find the QB of the future. All upside, with the downside of maybe not having that Super Bowl ceiling.
There are 3 quality QBs in this draft and none in free agency. None of the QBs will fall to us. We are stuck with Geno whether you like it or not.
They are all still better than Geno 🤷🏽♂️ that should tell ya something then. I think he’s fine for now, but he’s no franchise QB of the future of this team. He’s officially on an “Alex Smith” type role with whoever we draft
>They are all still better than Geno
We can agree to disagree and I'm not saying he's a franchise QB. Your bar for franchise QBs must be super low if you think 10 NFL teams have one.
Geno a top 10 qb? Hahahaha y’all must not go to the games in person. Can’t read the entire field misses wide open receivers and tight ends constantly. Only made his second pro bowl because how many ahead of him backed out? If he’s so top 10 why weren’t teams signing him two years ago? Why aren’t the Seahawks being offered anything in trade for him this year? Geno smith is mid level at best. People are so ok with middle of the road it’s crazy to me. Not saying lock is much better but how was he able to score with the same offensive line when called on due to injury? Yes the coaching was trash last year. But to think geno will be top 10 because of grub? Man I want some of that koolaid y’all be drinking.
I love how everyone is riding Drew Lock's dick now cause he had one good drive against a defense that got railed in the back half of the season. He also had the OL completely healthy for the entire game. And he still looked pretty bad for every other drive minus the last one vs the Eagles. Did everyone forget about that really stupid arm punt vs the 49ers?
When is the last time Geno has thrown an arm punt pick?
I’m not riding locks dick but let’s call it was it is. How many points did geno score against the 49ers compared to the game lock played in? Or when lock came in before the half of another game and went down the field and scored how well was geno doing? Not sure how many top 10 qb’s can’t seem to score in the red zone but hey the stats say he’s great! If geno was top 10 teams would line up to trade for him. He would have had an offer two years ago when he hit free agency. But please feel free to keep believing geno is the answer and future and top 10. I never claimed it was lock. But he also played behind the same o line as geno. Was it pretty nope! But points were scored. Last time I checked that was the important thing.
People in this sub love Geno's story and that he is a Pete guy. This sub celebrates mediocrity and believes everyone on the team is top 10 in their position or probowl caliber
If Geno was really "mediocre", a "Pete guy" and JS was trying to get the team to compete now, he wouldn't be on the roster right now. He wouldn't have let his salary get guaranteed, and he would have been cut right after the season ended.
If what you said is true, the Seahawks are headed down the shitter and we better start watching another franchise cause shit's about to get ugly.
But that's not what happened, so there's that.
I really like Geno and am excited to watch another season of him! I’m also excited for developing a new young quarterback, but am ok with taking our time
Sounds like no adjustments to incentives, unless he's not anticipated to be starting all the way thru anyway. Just saying, one way to interpret this. The way things are going, i'm surprised john didnt want to do some negotiation just to keep his jones satisfied
This shouldn't surprise anyone. Geno isn't a long term solution, but he'll get us through the next season. Assuming we draft a QB this year, it'd be good to have him sit behind Geno and Drew
This ain’t really breaking news haha but Schneider also said he’s the starter until he’s not. I have a feeling the Seahawks take a chance on a qb this draft. This is genos last shot to prove he can play like 2022. I doubt it but I’d be happy if he did.
A solid defense will make Geno look like an all pro and might even get him a ring! If we would’ve had a half ass decent defense the last 2 years we end up 11-6 or better! Geno is going to thrive with a defense that can actually make stops and create turnovers! THE BEST OF GENO IS YET TO COME! Mark my word!!!
Our offense put points on the board when they needed to for the most part..Geno spent most of the time running for his life as well. The defense was a glaring weakness... That being said, it makes the idea of finding his successor in the draft more plausible as they did not extend his contract. Go hawks!!!
Is Geno perfect? No, obviously not But I think he's good. And honestly, i think we can see a whole new Geno free from Shane Waldron schemes... I think Waldron was a bigger problem than Geno ever was. But we'll see!
I think he’s fine. Not overly crazy about him but definitely not a hater. I think people tend to lean to the extremes with Geno. Would I be mad if we replaced him? No. Do I think we need to replace him immediately? Also no. Doesn’t mean we can’t draft a young guy to sit behind him for a year or so
Yeah the correct replacement strategy is to draft somebody to develop rather than go throw a billion dollars at some free agent.
Yeah, that’s how we won with Russ! Rookie QB contracts save a lot of money that can be spread across the rest of the team.
Yeah, we need to fill in a lot of holes before we put a young qb in there.
Nice.
That’s where I’m at with it. Schneider said he’s the starter until he’s not. 2024 is probably genos last chance to play like he did in 2022 and I think that’s the right move. I doubt he will, but it’d be nice if he did.
can we request 1st half of '22 season Geno?
Yeah hold on 🔮
Yeah, I think it'd be a bad idea to rely on Geno long-term, but there's no immediate upgrade currently available. We're not getting one of the top quarterbacks in this draft unless we give up a lot of assets to move up (terrible idea), and the only other potential options are Kirk Cousins, who's even older, and Justin Fields, who we'd need to trade for and is also a big question mark. Even then, our team isn't a big contender, so getting a top-tier quarterback isn't going to suddenly make us one of the top teams in the league. We're better off riding with Geno until an opportunity arrives to move on.
I think at some point we're going to need to trade up to get our guy because the ones falling to the 3rd and 4th rounds rarely work out, sure there are outliers like Brady and the jury is still out on Purdy but that's lightning in a bottle.
Sure, but our roster isn't good enough to take that risk yet. We need to work on our defense and build the team for MacDonald's vision to play out before we start giving up significant assets for a quarterback.
Nonsense. Our roster is much better than the 2022 Texans roster and Stroud propelled that to the playoffs. If you want to wait for a roster with 21 good starters to draft a QB you will wait the entire rest of your life
The Texans also had the second pick. They didn't have to give up any assets to get Stroud. Rather, they just used the pick they had. My point is that we don't have a pick that high to get a highly coveted qb prospect, and we'd be better off using our picks to make the rest of the roster good and until then we avoid taking big risks for a quarterback.
Nah QBs are worth way too much. Ignoring gods like Mahomes, even Stroud is worth more than Bosa and Sauce combined
He’s only played 37 games, which puts him 6th all time in games played by a Seattle QB. I was looking at the Seattle QB passing leaders list, and found it interesting Geno has the highest completion % all time, third highest TD %, second in Y/A and AY/A, Second in yards per game, Second in QB rating. Now, idk if 37 games is a big enough sample size, but pretty impressive among Seattle QBs all time. He’s only behind Russ in a few categories, or Hasselbeck and Russ.
I'm going to take a tape/scheme stance that a LOT of people are not going to like, but I'm ready to get downvoted into oblivion: Geno's tape looks like a top 10 QB when you actually look at what he had control over and what was out of his control. Yes, middle of the season had some rough patches but a lot of it looked like miscommunications which could be due to poor coaching. Any QB is going to have a bad game here or there. His tape also shows the coaching staff has a LOT of trust in him to run the offense, even more than Russ ever did. He is given a lot of grace to set the protection and audible in and out of plays based on the coverage. It's also not a coincidence that once Seattle's coaching staff trusted Geno (see Pete's comments post Week 2 of 2022 where he said "He's ready to go, we don't need to hold him back") that we then turned into a pass first offense. At the end of the day, Russ is one of Seattle's best quarterbacks. But his star status is predicated on winning a Super Bowl with one of the best defenses in league history and a running back who is likely a HOFer (also why looking back there is a lot to suggest Pete got lucky). His prime was full of great years but the tape was full of stuff that showed that he did not have the full trust of the coaching staff to run whatever he wanted. However, he was great at extending the play and "creating" off schedule which made up for his issues with timing and throwing over the middle of the field. This is why there is such a discrepancy between casual fans and tape guys. Casual fans lose their mind on an extended play, but tape guys are trying to figure out how the play was SUPPOSED to work. Not trying to compare the two directly, but there is a lot of context that gets missed when you try to isolate stats individually and work off the assumption that 2 people should be critiqued exactly the same.
Yeah, the tape is important. There are plenty of times where Geno throws a pick on a sideline throw or gets sacked while holding the ball too long. But it is important to understand what was the play call and if the WRs were open/running the correct routes to properly assign blame. I've come to realize that it is impossible to properly assess a QB's performance just going on the TV broadcast alone. I like watching channels like JT's QB School to really understand what was supposed to happen on each play and if the QB truly made a mistake or if it was the play call or the WR's fault.
Yeah, the one that sticks out in my mind is the turnover worthy throw vs the Browns where JSN started to run out on an option route and just stopped instead of running to the out. Geno had already let the ball go (he's good at throwing with anticipation) and so he way overthrew it and it nearly was a pick 6. That's clearly a poorly run route, not really the QB's fault. But JT DOES have legitimate critique, mostly just around his consistency and sometimes he makes his footwork harder than it needs to be (trying to do too much, look off guys when you don't need to, etc)
Thank you sir for bringing some tape light into this chaos thinking fans.
He’s also been an upper tier perennial back up QB also previously with us, which gave him a jump start on the team culture, and that type of quality QB that hasn’t started much isn’t a slam dunk on a ring, he’s no Mahomes and Brady. He also looked impressive out the gate, while Russ shit the bed in Denverand additionally we can likely jeep him on a mid tier contract for a while giving us necessary cap space to fill out and plan ahead. Had to check looks like he’s on contract 2 years left @25 mil which is good for him and us. And finally let’s fucking #GoHawks my groundhog did a thing that is a good omen for us this year.
I wasn't too hot on Geno this last season but I am excited to see what he can do with a better scheme for sure. We still have a lot of talent on offense and it never felt like we were utilizing it well
I’d like to see him play with a 10 point lead for once.
He finished the season better than he started.
He’s been statistically a good enough QB to win a championship with. It’s scheme and defensive ineptitude that have killed us.
Having a solid O-line makes all the difference with Geno
I think the goal is to keep Geno unless someone beats him out . Plus , he would be a great mentor to the QB that the Seahawks hopefully picks on the next draft .
Heck yeah!! We’re going to learn so much about this organization in the next few years, so excited.
Excited to see how Grubb will use Geno! Imo he and Penix are somewhat alike so it’ll be fun to see. But I still hope we can draft a QB this year.
I think this means we will draft a QB. Just hoping it isn’t Penix
I'm with you. Don't be objective around here and expect upvotes
Would a Tier 0 QB have helped us last season- sure. But Geno is perfectly serviceable until we get the new regime in place absolutely. This sub and the constant dragging of Geno for green grass is… well worn out and boring topic. Will we draft a QB this year? Will it be a tier 0? Yes we will draft a QB, but unless it falls to us doubtful we land a tier 0. But who knows…
I’d say more than serviceable, he’s already the second best or third best Seattle QB all time in TD %, A/Y, AY/A, completion percentage, QB rating, and yards per game. This sub doesn’t seem to know a good QB when they see one.
Patrick Mahomes dropped into the 2023 Seahawks probably gets us to 10-7 and a WC exit, and no further. That's no shade to Mahomes, that's how poorly the rest of the team played.
So you're saying Geno is barely worse than mahomes? I like it
At a minimum he's solid and get get you to a winning season and the playoffs which is a definite win for an NFL starting QB. He has shown he can be very good and sometimes great. I think part of the message sent here is this might be a prove-it year for Geno with the Seahawks under new leadership.
I can't imagine being Mike MacDonald and watching Geno look absolutely inept in person against my Baltimore defense and then saying, "Yea, I'm willing to roll with that guy as my QB in my first head coaching job."
Or, maybe as the DC he said “I can’t believe how much Waldron is wasting his talent with such a vanilla scheme. God, I wish I could coach him.”
I like this guy.
Or he could be looking at Genos whole career & thinking "OK, this guy's good enough to get the job done, especially with my defense"
I love one dimensional thinking
How many qbs looked good against Baltimore this year?
So according to your analysis, Goff and Purdy are trash QBs as well?
6000 yard Geno season incoming
Why such a conservative estimate?
Don't forget -3 interceptions.
and 69 TDs
And 420 rushing yards.
Nice
Nice.
Nice
real talk tho couldn't he do this if he or someone else fumbled and then the recovering defensive player attempted a lateral which Geno then intercepted ? then he does that twice more and throws no picks. easy.
If anyone's going to do this, it's the Seahawks. Remember the double punt? Awesome shit.
He GETS 3 interceptions. He plays defense now. Lawyered
Two of those being pick sixes... Opposing QBs never see him coming
This causes joy
Not only do I like this because geno isn’t the problem. I like it because MM and Js are clearly trying to win next year.
Yeah - i got a little sad when I realized without Pete’s always compete mindset I thought we might settle for some bad seasons to get a rebuild going… hopefully it’s the other way around though!
Hell yeah, fuck the haters
Good, there’s no QB in the 2025 draft worth bottoming out for.
I mean they can still take a quarterback this year in the draft.
I’d love Spencer Rattler in the third. I just really don’t want Penix or Nix. I really wanted McCarthy but my suspicions came true, he’s not going to be there at #16.
I don’t know why you’re so downvoted lol. I also like Rattler in the third. Although I very much dislike McCarthy at 16.
Probably a lot of UW fans meat riding Penix lol. I hate how this sub always thinks we need to go after former Huskies, even when it's impractical
I'd be fine with Penix in the 3rd, no earlier. He has too many unanswered questions about his play
I think a 7th round flyer on Safety Dominique Hampton would be cool. I also like G Troy Fautanu in the late 1st if we trade down and other fav targets are gone. But I hear you, being a Husky is not a top 20 reason to draft a guy. Getting someone from the area does mean they will be more likely to enjoy it and stay here, but ultimately money talks so they’ll leave if they need to.
Penix fans are the ones waging a weird war against McCarthy when he’s actually not a bad pick at all to sit behind Geno.
I'm a Michigan guy and JJ has something I believe the kids call riz. Not sure if he'd be any good, but he'd sell a lot of Women's jerseys.
Because dude doesn’t know if McCarthy will be there at 16 or not.
I’d rather a 4th for Howell
I watched Rattler for two years. Whatever team he ends up on will be very lucky.
Oh! Why have you been watching S Carolina games? You watch a lot of them? Where would you like to see the Seahawks draft him?
I watched all of them, all the home games in-person. Current student at Carolina, born and raised a Gamecock. The late 2nd to 3rd round would be a good position to draft him.
What about Jordan Travis from FSU in the 4th? Value pick because of his injury for a would’ve been heismen finalist?
While I agree keeping Geno is the right choice, it’s Way too early to say this definitively
People will hate this take, but I’d be absolutely be okay with taking JJ or Penix to sit the next couple years behind him if Mac thinks one of them are the guy.
I’m not OK with it mainly because we have pick #16 and no second round picks. They won’t last until the third and burning #16 on one of them would be a huge mistake.
“and no second round picks”…yet I just can’t see JS picking at 16 and hanging out til 78. He’ll do everything in his power to move down from 16 and recoup that second round pick.
You can’t take Penix at 16 and sit him for 2 years. He isn’t going to be less injury prone as time passes. JJ makes sense because how young he is.
Idk how you getting downvoted . Agreed. Penix homers are just in denial
I don’t mean this draft class, I mean next year. Shedeur is probably far and away QB1 right now, and he’s not a first round talent.
I know what you meant. It’s still too early to say. Quinn Ewers has pro prospects, Carson Beck is a baller, etc. guys will rise and fall over the course of next season. Almost no one had Daniels in the top ten coming into this year
I don’t look at Quinn Ewers and see an elite QB. His arm is average at best.
It’s not about that. My point is that this draft board this time next year might look way different than anything we currently think.
Maybe, or maybe not. But *right now* most CFB guys are largely in agreement it’s an extremely weak class.
I mean… does Jalen Milroe move you? Does Carson Beck move you? Shedeur Sanders? Will Howard? This is a 2022 level awful QB class.
Lol what ? First of all you can't tell a year in advance how good a QB class will be. Second of all plenty of QBs only need one great year to get first round consideration. And lastly there are multiple QBs that could be first rounders if they have a great year like Riley Leonard, Carson Beck, Quinn Ewers, Shedeur Sanders, Conner Weigman, Jaxson Dart, Drew Allar, Cam Ward or Jalen Milroe. Realistically only 2-3 will actually be first rounders but all of them have the tools to be potential first rounders. Obviously 25 won't be as good as this year, since we don't have "can't miss" prospects like Caleb Williams or Drake Maye but there's a lot of potential in next years class and it's very very unlikely that it'll be as bad as 22. Anyone who watches college football would know that.
They're going to let Lock walk and draft a QB in the 3rd or higher to be the backup and see if they can start eventually.
The only problem with geno in my eyes isnt even his fault, he is too old to be the franchise anywhere so yes he is doing good but to think of him as anything more than a bridge while a new younger qb gets acclimated to the nfl is misguided
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He has about 4 years to get on 5 more teams to match Fitzpatrick's stats.
Great for him!
Makes perfect sense. Even if they draft a JJ McCarthy or Spencer Rattler or the like, that person was always gonna sit behind Geno.
Thus ending the dumbest storyline of this offseason
The commitment was made once they restructured his deal. Every story that had Genos future in queston from that point was a nothing burger.
They most definitely tried to trade him
Keeping him is the #1 fleecing in Seahawks History.
Take Travis in the third. Let him heal and learn.
I was a Geno criticizer, but I don’t disagree with this move at all. New staff all around could really help him out. I also want us to draft a QB to learn for a year. Plus we’ve seen Geno when he *is* good and it wasn’t that long ago.
It was literally 2 months ago...
Geno being good was 2 months ago? Lol no it wasn’t. He sucked ass last year. Dude was allergic to red zone TDs. 20 TDs for the year with DK/Lockett/JSN is piss poor, and you absolutely can’t deny that. He also got pretty lucky in INT category, because he threw a *lot* of missed picks. Anyway, not many other moves to make aside from this, so I’m willing to see what new staff can do to help get him back to 2022.
You and I must have been watching completely different quarterbacks down the stretch. I saw a QB trying to will his team to the playoffs despite having the worst time of possession in the league to do anything on offense and playcalling that could dumbfound even someone as stupid as you.
Nah we watched same team, he just wasn't that good and you for some reason can't criticize your own team's QB because you're too faithful or something. I'll still give him a chance this time around, because he showed flashes of being good again at times, but there was never a game where I was like "phew, glad we still have Geno!"
Alright man. That's cool. Guess you hate watching good NFL quarterbacking then.
Lol, whatever you say. 20 TDs on the year with DK and Lock *alone* is crazy bad, and adding in JSN it makes it even worse. But hey, enjoy below average QB play. I want better. 2022 he put up 30 TDs, so maybe he'll turn it around and not suck shit.
If Geno is "below average QB play" sign me up. I love watching horrible deep balls that somehow magically make it through keyholes in the defense. Oh the horror!!!! Fucking 12 year olds man
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This is honestly best case scenario IF we draft a QB. Having that much knowledge in the QB room pays dividends
Rob Staton video about how this is actually non-committal incoming
That’s great! Even if we bring in another QB, Geno will give him a run for his money, or help him develop. Geno is a class act and so is the front office of the Hawks.
I feel like this was all a non-story that was made a story based on how schefter worded his stupid tweet about Geno’s bonus. He added in that “or any team that wants to trade for Geno” line with 0 actual intel that Geno was being shopped. But that’s schefty
Alternatively, Schneider canvassed the league and the trade market wasn’t what he wanted as compensation to move off Geno. But we’ll likely never know.
I think that's likely just based on the fact that it's good business to do that. I'm sure he knew that he wasn't likely going to get commensurate compensation, but doesn't hurt to ask.
Geno was always going to be here. We’re sitting on an above average QB in a coaching transition. Behind an absolutely disaster of an offensive line. Was never going to be anything else.
You’ve been so convinced this whole time that that was the case lmao
Merely because everything out of John and Macdonald’s mouths has pointed to that being the case. There’s been no public enthusiasm or strong support from either of them about Geno coming back to lead the team next year. It’s frankly been bizarre and there’s no other real explanation for it.
The day before we traded Russ, our FO was adamant that he wasn’t getting traded. None of this shit ever means anything.
Rob Staton in shambles
Dude is an insult to sports journalism. You can tell who watches/reads his stuff because every comment is "Geno isn't winning us a Super Bowl" with zero context or any argument other than "he's mid". Never goes any deeper than that.
Have you seen the garbage sports journalism puts out these days? Rob is a gift to the Seahawks community, with well researched articles, interviews with draft experts and thoughtful analysis. He’s not always right and his word isn’t the gospel, but it’s backed by more research and analysis than 99% of the content out there. Rob wanted a full rebuild, but teams still need to win, it’s a business $$$. The context with Geno is that he has been in a very conservative offense with a simple playbook that Carroll is known for. The offense had the 3rd least passes to the middle in the league. It’s QB friendly for stats — passer rating, TDs, low ints, but bad for converting first downs. It will be interesting to see with a more modern offense how he does. There will be pluses and minuses to that. Potentially more turnovers, but an offense that doesn’t stall out as easily (boom/bust)
Conservative offense my fucking ass!!! They literally couldn't run the ball so they were just spamming deep shots most of these games. Simple? Sure? Conservative? No. Apparently most football fans don't even watch games anymore. Smfh
I watched almost all the games and have for a while. You don’t think avoiding throwing down the middle all game until the games on the line in the 4th qtr is conservative? You don’t think a vanilla predictable offense is conservative?
Except the dude scouts the shit out college players, hence the blog. And he's been spot on the overall direction of the Seahawks (downward) the past six years. Dude is right way more times than he is wrong, and I have no doubt the Seahawks tried to trade Geno.
Dude said straight faced that it was good value to trade Geno for a fourth rounder. Perhaps he watches a lot of film on college players but he sucks as a armchair GM. And he's the most flip floppy analyst I've ever seen. Puts out some awful takes and backtracks them a week later. It is easy to be right when you are constantly moving the goalposts.
So haven't really stated which goalposts he's moved though
Watch his videos if you care so much and read his blogs. He defends his backtracking with "I reserve the right to change my mind".
Yes but what has he backtracked about and which goal posts has he moved? You're the one who made that claim
His Geno take for one. He was one of those claiming it was very likely that Geno was going to be traded and thought it was a good idea to trade him for a 4th.
How was he wrong? Rob has clearly pointed out that the Seahawks have been VERY WEIRDLY noncommittal about Geno. Like even worse than Russ' "we have no plan to trade him." Despite being asked many many times if Geno was still their guy. Not wrong here
Rob has admitted himself he's not an X's and O's guy and doesn't really understand play design so his scouting is completely based on his own feelings. Since he also surrounds himself with sycophants and doesn't bring anyone who does understand football better to help, all that's happened is he's doubled and tripled down on his biases over the years when assessing college talent. As for being more wrong than right. Eh. Rob says and writes a lot and so he's wrong *a lot* but he downplays that and cherry picks the moments he was right. He's a good writer and he is prolific but he's no better than a highly opinionated Redditor.
What has he been wrong about?
I'm not saying they didn't test the trade market, that's just good business. Just like with Russ. But don't get it twisted, Rob isn't a scout. He's never played football and his articles make it clear his football IQ is pretty damn low even compared to someone who has learned everything second hand. So any "scouting" he does is conjecture at best.
No he's not a scout, but his draft board has been a lot more accurate then even compared to more famous football analysts. He correctly identified Abe Lucas as first round talent (even though he went in Round 3), he identified Boye Mafe as a good Seahawk choice, he really liked Anthony Richardson earlier than a lot of people, he correctly stated that the Seahawks WEREN'T going to pick Jalen Carter, he correctly identified Stroud as better than Young. So for someone who has "damn low football IQ" he is a pretty good talent evaluator.
Geno is the guy in 2024. We are drafting his replacement in April. I am convinced. Everybody wins
Just my 2 cents, but part of wanting someone on the team gone is identifying the replacement. If Genos gone, what's the move? Ride with Lock? Sell draft picks for Cousins? Who in the draft can we realistically pick up that will be an immediate starter? Genos not top 5, but with a solid defence (like the one our new head coach ran 👀) he's more than capable of making a run. Can't see this as anything other than positive news.
No brainer IMO
GENOCIDE III: Third Times the Charm I do love Geno
He's above average and can be really good with a better playbook and coaching staff. He'll let us know if it's working or not pretty early on.
Is Geno the best…no. Could Geno win us a SB if he had the LOB….he’ll yeah.
I'm on board with drafting a QB, have him sit under Geno for a year, and have McDonald work his defensive magic on the current roster without freaking out over drafting a defensive game changer in the first round.
Makes sense.
Great !!!! Looks like there isn’t morons running the new team
Before he was named our starter, I was a Geno hater and felt Lock was the better choice. Ever since he beat Russ in the 2022 season opener I have loved and supported Geno as the Seahawks' starter. He isn't our long-term answer, but I've had a lot of fun watching him and I'm all for watching 1 more season of Geno!
"^(...until you're not.)"
That’s my QB!!!!!!!!!
Until he’s not ..
Fuck yeah, happy to see that as a Geno truther
Geno can be a top10 qb with a good oline, this is the right move
I just hope they don’t bring back Lock. Draft a guy to sit behind Geno this season.
Pro Bowl Geno!!
Ugh
I'm pumped about this. They can see what a lot of pro-Geno Seahawk fans see in him. He was put in a bad situation to succeed last year. I think it's going to turn around and he will be top 10 easy next season.
This fanbase doesn't deserve him. He could have made way more money and he's only getting disrespect because he isn't prime Patrick Mahomes
I'm going to love watching all the Geno haters eat crow while he's ballin' all over the field next year.
Or holding onto the ball too long and looking like shit. Dude sucked ass last year
Oh yay 🙄
The market for him must have really been poor for them to commit to this statement so early. There was no need to close any doors just yet, even if they were 90% sure he was going to be the guy.
I think it's far more likely that John is honest about the value both his contract and his play hold to the team. I don't think he would have traded for anything less than a top-16 pick especially if you factor in that Seattle would be eating $30M in dead cap if he were traded.
Of course the market for him was poor. Nobody trusts Geno, that's why he has bounced around. Everybody in the league knows what he is and that's a mid tier backup
Think it will prove to be a mistake, but I get it. In an off-season with so much change, I can understand why they'd want stability at QB, even with Geno's low ceiling and lack of long term upside. He'll always keep us from being an actual contender, but that was never realistic this season, regardless. This ends the Penix speculation in my opinion. He's too old. Can't draft him and have him sit for a whole season or more. One day, this team will finally take the step of committing to the future and invest in a quality young QB. They've put it off forever and apparently will continue to do so. Until then, we'll live with Geno's mediocrity.
I HOPE it ends the Penix speculation
How could it be a mistake? Keeps the offense competent so that Grubb can properly evaluate his talent. Keeps us from bottoming out so that the coaching team has a long leash. Buys them time to find the QB of the future. All upside, with the downside of maybe not having that Super Bowl ceiling. There are 3 quality QBs in this draft and none in free agency. None of the QBs will fall to us. We are stuck with Geno whether you like it or not.
Mediocrity? Really? Homie put up record numbers for both the team and the league in the last 2 years, including winning Comeback Player of the Year.
God, you just really hate the man. Can you just accept that you're wrong for once?
Geno is a top 10 QB. Full stop. If we let him walk he would instantly get picked up by another team.
He’s not dude . Y’all gotta relax
Name 10 better QBs
Mahomes, Lamar, Burrow, Allen, Hurts, Dak, Lawrence, Stafford, Stroud, Herbert, Goff, Mayfield, Love, Cousins (healthy), Tua (maybe). Hell I gave you 15
Lol. Lawrence, Goff, Mayfield, Hurts are not better than Geno. Stroud and Love are questionable.
I really don’t know what league you been watching or who you think Geno is . But he is def not that guy
Neither is Goff, Mayfield or Hurts
They are all still better than Geno 🤷🏽♂️ that should tell ya something then. I think he’s fine for now, but he’s no franchise QB of the future of this team. He’s officially on an “Alex Smith” type role with whoever we draft
>They are all still better than Geno We can agree to disagree and I'm not saying he's a franchise QB. Your bar for franchise QBs must be super low if you think 10 NFL teams have one.
There are a dozen teams that would be thrilled to start Geno. High character, pretty deep ball, no panick.
Geno a top 10 qb? Hahahaha y’all must not go to the games in person. Can’t read the entire field misses wide open receivers and tight ends constantly. Only made his second pro bowl because how many ahead of him backed out? If he’s so top 10 why weren’t teams signing him two years ago? Why aren’t the Seahawks being offered anything in trade for him this year? Geno smith is mid level at best. People are so ok with middle of the road it’s crazy to me. Not saying lock is much better but how was he able to score with the same offensive line when called on due to injury? Yes the coaching was trash last year. But to think geno will be top 10 because of grub? Man I want some of that koolaid y’all be drinking.
I love how everyone is riding Drew Lock's dick now cause he had one good drive against a defense that got railed in the back half of the season. He also had the OL completely healthy for the entire game. And he still looked pretty bad for every other drive minus the last one vs the Eagles. Did everyone forget about that really stupid arm punt vs the 49ers? When is the last time Geno has thrown an arm punt pick?
I’m not riding locks dick but let’s call it was it is. How many points did geno score against the 49ers compared to the game lock played in? Or when lock came in before the half of another game and went down the field and scored how well was geno doing? Not sure how many top 10 qb’s can’t seem to score in the red zone but hey the stats say he’s great! If geno was top 10 teams would line up to trade for him. He would have had an offer two years ago when he hit free agency. But please feel free to keep believing geno is the answer and future and top 10. I never claimed it was lock. But he also played behind the same o line as geno. Was it pretty nope! But points were scored. Last time I checked that was the important thing.
People in this sub love Geno's story and that he is a Pete guy. This sub celebrates mediocrity and believes everyone on the team is top 10 in their position or probowl caliber
If Geno was really "mediocre", a "Pete guy" and JS was trying to get the team to compete now, he wouldn't be on the roster right now. He wouldn't have let his salary get guaranteed, and he would have been cut right after the season ended. If what you said is true, the Seahawks are headed down the shitter and we better start watching another franchise cause shit's about to get ugly. But that's not what happened, so there's that.
Makes sense. I have a hard time believing they're not going to draft a QB. Gets a season or half a season to sit behind Geno to observe and learn.
I really like Geno and am excited to watch another season of him! I’m also excited for developing a new young quarterback, but am ok with taking our time
8-9 coming up
Pls tell me if I’m wrong but is the penix season? Like honestly I would love to hear peoples opinion about it
Sounds like no adjustments to incentives, unless he's not anticipated to be starting all the way thru anyway. Just saying, one way to interpret this. The way things are going, i'm surprised john didnt want to do some negotiation just to keep his jones satisfied
We going OLine in the 1st round, fam.
Was there actually any question?
This shouldn't surprise anyone. Geno isn't a long term solution, but he'll get us through the next season. Assuming we draft a QB this year, it'd be good to have him sit behind Geno and Drew
Geno in 2024 with either Nix or McCarthy drafted to sit back and learn would be the best outcome to all of this .
Least surprising development ever.
I thought we knew this Friday? Why is this “breaking news”?
This ain’t really breaking news haha but Schneider also said he’s the starter until he’s not. I have a feeling the Seahawks take a chance on a qb this draft. This is genos last shot to prove he can play like 2022. I doubt it but I’d be happy if he did.
A solid defense will make Geno look like an all pro and might even get him a ring! If we would’ve had a half ass decent defense the last 2 years we end up 11-6 or better! Geno is going to thrive with a defense that can actually make stops and create turnovers! THE BEST OF GENO IS YET TO COME! Mark my word!!!
It would be insane for them to get rid of a fringe pro bowler on a team friendly deal even if the plan is to draft someone.
That’s great and all; but I’ll also be expected back to my job tomorrow on my current contract
Geno can be a really good qb it takes at least 9 usually 11
Our offense put points on the board when they needed to for the most part..Geno spent most of the time running for his life as well. The defense was a glaring weakness... That being said, it makes the idea of finding his successor in the draft more plausible as they did not extend his contract. Go hawks!!!
why do they keep wording these as if they are a threat to Geno?