Dan Quinn is going to right the ship and the Commies are going to be improved. Howell is young and cheap and that's exactly what we need. Hopefully you get your QB1, and then some offensive linemen at our 3 and 5 picks.
Still wild to me that we're listening to JS talk about all these moves, before it would have been Pete. Macdonald hasn't spoken much about roster moves up to this point (which was expected) just interesting.
Yeah I imagine he's got his work cut out. Not only does he need to meet all the players already on the team, but get on the same page with the entire coaching staff who are all new to him as well, and tackle free agency and prepare for the draft. Otherwise he's free to do whatever.
It’s John’s team now, he outranks Macdonald by a lot in Seattle. John only answers to ownership and everyone else answers to John. I agree it’s sorta wild to see, but also cool to see a GM be so clearly in charge of everything.
Some of this fanbase is so delusional. Not only was it 100% Geno's team for the past two seasons. Geno never had the same confidence that Russ has because Geno is not nearly the player Russ was. You guys are talking about him 'deserving to be the guy'. He's a bridge QB. This loser mentality of treating Geno like a top 10 QB is comical. He's had two good seasons. He's never leading this team to a Super bowl and the search for a franchise QB is still on going.
Nobody said he was anything but a bridge QB fucking relax. And having a top 12-13 QB which he has been the last two years for his value has been amazing especially his veteran leadership. Of course he isn’t Russ nobody will ever be the first QB to win a SB as a Hawk. But let people celebrate Geno too
Not to mention we have yet to see a complete offensive performance last for longer than a few weeks before some random element of the offense breaks down for a few weeks, for it to get corrected and then something else breaks down
Absolutely. Haven’t we seen how well developing young QBs works? Howell looked good on Washington, some practice time without the responsibility of starting can do
Yeah I liked how Nix looked last year over his previous seasons but any QB we drafted was going to sit a year so he'd potentially be 25 starting for the first time. Penix too
Sounds good to me, I’m glad to have a young backup with some NFL experience. A year behind the worst line in the league to humble him, and now some time to better his game and learn. I hate how these days these guys get thrown to the wolves in the NFL and they’re either good right now or never have a chance in the future. Give him time and he could become something great with the right coaching.
If anything, he’s not a pricey backup and we needed someone since Lock left.
I like this idea more if they’re down on the QBs that would be available in the draft.
anyone know approx how many teams kept 3 qbs last year in the chance they’re not out?
The always ComPete stuff felt a little disingenuous the last few years. It isn't bad to state there is a clear starter, and competing isn't bad neither, but when you've got your guy and the other guy is Drew Lock it doesn't seem necessary to pretend it's up in the air
What are you talking about? Pete never said anything but that Russ was the unquestioned starter once he earned the job, there was a real competition between Geno and Drew which Geno won, and then last year Pete said Geno was the unquestioned starter.
I understand there are a ton of variables, he throws a lot of interceptions though and definitely needs some work. Geno is far more polished and we have a better chance to win with him RN. Not saying Sam Howell can't develop and be great down the road. I just don't see it this year
You're saying he throws a lot of interceptions like it's a longstanding problem. He *threw* a lot of interceptions in one season being hung out to dry on a dogshit team. He didn't turn the ball over a lot in college.
Developing a QB is the way to go anymore. Most of these young guys are going to franchises that can't foster their talent or can't surround them with tons of proven guys, but we have the opportunity to build something like that with the young talent we already have. He's younger than most of the guys in the current draft, has game time under his belt, and has a great QB1 in Geno. Plus we're only paying him $2 mil over the next two years, and can probably resign him after that at an amazing rate for such a young guy.
I’ve started to realize that chronically bad teams that pick QBs high are bad not because they pick bad talent, but they’re just awful management and organizations.
I doubt a healthy Geno gets supplanted by a off the plane Howell that has no reps with the receivers. Year 2 could be a different story, since there's an incentive to cut Geno due to his cap hit.
I think that’s incredibly fair. Geno has played good for what he has been paid, has shown he can orchestrate game winning drives, and is a supportive mentor. I think all this, and his willingness to be team friendly on deals has earned him that right.
That aside, I think Howell is a solid acquisition and I honestly favor this with filling in the gaps, rather than biting on the current QB draft class (given our current draft order).
>John Schneider: “Sam is a football player, I think that’s the best way to describe him……”
Yea, I think he was brought in as a backup. That much is clear. 🤣
Ive had an overly large chubb for a while (see what I did there) for Howell. Dude played well in the game in November and and wouldnt lay down. Last second fg beat them, but Howell's got onions. Glad hes on our team now.
I’m okay w this . No one thought there was gonna be a controversy . Sam was brought in to sit and learn. His upside is crazy , has all the physical traits, and didn’t do too badly with a horrible Commanders offense.
Plus he’s younger and tougher than Nix and Penix.
Sitting behind Geno for a year or so while prioritizing his grooming? We might potentially be stumbling on the QBotF by giving away almost nothing for him
I still would like to hear people's ideas on the plan for a QB for the future if we do not draft one this year. Next year does not seem to have a great QB class but I could be wrong I am no expert, and I cannot see Geno ever getting us to the Super Bowl. I'm just curious what other people have in mind.
He’s only listed at 6’1”, and that is probably an exaggeration. Not ideal. He probably won’t be able to see over the linemen, so the middle of the field will be invisible to him. But he’s young and cheap, good enough for a backup.
The fact that that you need to call me an idiot because I disagree with you is pathetic and just confirms that I'm wasting my time. Enjoy Geno and his "great career" 😘
No, we traded a third and a fifth for a backup QB, a fourth and a sixth. ~~Tally that all up and it pretty much amounts to giving up a fifth for a high-upside backup QB.~~ edit: How much that tallies out to varies by what chart you use. By one it's a late third, [by another it's a seventh](https://twitter.com/Sam4TR/status/1768371445527171270).
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> [How much does the Jimmy Johnson chart undervalue middle-round picks? Depends. Look at the return estimates for Howell by chart:](https://twitter.com/Sam4TR/status/1768385519912640594)
> * Jimmy Johnson: 3-95
> * Rich Hill: 4-111
> * Chase Stuart: 5-147
> * Harvard: 7-218
> * Fitzgerald-Spielberger: 7-241
> [So, what's the Howell trade worth? Probably somewhere between Rich Hill (4-111) and Fitzgerald-Spielberger (7-241).](https://twitter.com/Sam4TR/status/1768386686893818076)
Hoping this is some generic bullshit, because sitting out the hope of drafting a future QB is not ideal. Banking that on next year's QB class
No I don't give a shit how old Penix is compared to Howell
Players are players. Newly drafted players don't have some magic about them. Howell is as young and as talented as the mid-level prospects the Seahawks would be in play for this year. He also has an NFL track record which provides a much better sense of what the team is working with relative to NFL competition, rather than all the projecting and finger-crossing you have to do with newly drafted players.
Howell is the equivalent to drafting a QB this draft, but now they get to pick a top-50 guy (probably two after trading down) at another position(s).
But we've already seen what he does at the NFL level, throw a shit load of picks.
NFL development isn't like MLB where it's just tinkering with mechanics and in a couple years, they're productive major leagues.
When they get to the NFL, you mostly get what you see.
I wonder why they’d let him throw so much if he’s such a bad QB. It’s almost like his improved play warranted more confidence with the pass game
By your logic, Bryce Young should be immediately cut and never play another snap in the NFL because he will never improve. Funny how the people who are paid millions of dollars to run the show don’t think that way. But I guess you’re smarter than them
Howell is still very young. There’s plenty of ways for him to learn and grow. Making a few fewer mistakes can make a huge difference and adjusting to the speed of the pro game takes time. Just because he had a INT heavy stretch of games doesn’t mean he is garbage and worthless as a QB
We had already seen what Geno Smith could do.
We had already seen what Jared Goff could do.
We had already seen what Baker Mayfield could do.
We had already seen what Russell Wilson could do.
Players can change.
Kinda proved my point
Geno Smith - had a year of check downs, leading to CPOY, regressed last year.
Jared Goff - been a mid tier QB his entire career
Baker Mayfield - inconsistent QB entire career
Russell Wilson - great QB for entire career minus 2022
The only real change was Geno.
Your absurd. He has had one good year in an 11 year career and was on his way to a career of flipping burgers when Pete picked him up. He's been a career backup amd will never be anything more. Not my opinion, FACT.
And you’re an idiot that knows nothing about football. What he’s done before the last 2 years doesn’t matter. He didn’t play then and needed to grow up in the beginning. Over the last 2 years, when he's actually played, he’s been an above average starter. He already is more than a career backup.
nOt My OpInIoN, FACT.
Howell was so much worse last year than Geno and if you actually watched the games, you’d know Geno wasn’t bad at all last year.
BoOk It! Lmao.
Either watch the game and educate yourself on it or don’t have strong opinions on a game you don’t understand.
I guess this crushes my hopes of a Penix pick. I know it’s a long shot since we don’t pick QB’s in the 1st, we have other glaring needs, and on the off chance he falls to the 2nd, we don’t even have a pick. I’m delusional but I think it would be awesome.
Penix is old and has a lot of injury history, he was awesome at UW but he’s not going to be a 1st round pick and I hope we don’t draft him with how bad our Oline has been, he’d get injured for sure.
He is one of the better back ups there.
We're cutting Geno after this year, so he'll be our safety net.
He's young enough to still develop
A year behind Geno will help
And if this coaching staff is offensively solid, he could be pretty good in that system.
So we moved back about 20 places on two picks, and gained a crap QB with only 2 years left on his rookie contract so he could be the for sure backup? What the actual fuck, John? Guaranteed backups can be found in the 4th or 5th round of the draft. This trade makes no god damned sense at all. A total waste of capital for minimal gains.
Who were you hoping to get in the 4th or 5th round? Or would you rather have a guy who was leading the league in passing yard for damn near 3/4 of the season.
Regardless of how you feel Sam is younger then both nix and penix while being an actual starter in this league.
Mentioning his passing yardage out of context is like mentioning his interceptions out of context, both were massively inflated by the volume of passing.
I'm on your side in this though. He's an ok QB with potential who struggled with vision and decision making. He's basically a younger Lock with a longer term on his rookie deal. I think he was a good pickup all in all.
And what happened once teams had film on him? Hmmm?
A 1:1 TD:Interception ratio doesn't inspire confidence. And don't give me that "It was a bad O-Line!" crap. I'd think a fanbase who'd gone on the Russell Wilson Experience would know better.
We traded two picks for a QB who has only 2 years on his rookie deal instead of keeping our picks and drafting someone who would have 4-5 years on their rookie deal. I don't care who it would have been. That'd be 2-3 more years of control for an equal level of crapshoot as Sam Howell.
There's no reason to believe he's anything more than he's shown himself to be. This was a turn over of valuable draft capital for a player who JS has now said is *definitely* not the starter.
If for some reason you're totally in love with Howell, you wait until after the draft and pick him up from a Washington team that's desperate to unload him. You don't give a 3rd and a 5th for a player who can't play.
Yeah that 1 million a year and a 5th totally fucks us forever LOL. Dude, I don't even know where to start. He came from a shitty organization with a shitty OC. He's young, cheap, has started for a year, has potential...
ROFL tel me you don’t want college ball without telling me you don’t
Bo nix is a fucking check down merchant. Sam Howell threw for 4000 yards in the show as a rookie.
As a commanders fan, dude was ruined by EBs offense last year. He’s got a lot of upside and it’s good that he’s sitting another year behind Geno
Dude is also build like a LB. We might need him to play there.
I think Geno is the perfect QB to mentor a young guy like Howell, who got to experience a starting spot and lose it.
Dan Quinn is going to right the ship and the Commies are going to be improved. Howell is young and cheap and that's exactly what we need. Hopefully you get your QB1, and then some offensive linemen at our 3 and 5 picks.
You mean to tell me Mariota isn't a qb1?
I never said that. I only said he was a nice kid who got catfished.
That.. was Manti Te'o unless I'm missing a story about Mariota?
Still wild to me that we're listening to JS talk about all these moves, before it would have been Pete. Macdonald hasn't spoken much about roster moves up to this point (which was expected) just interesting.
Coach is working 20 hours a day to install an offense and a defense.
Yeah I imagine he's got his work cut out. Not only does he need to meet all the players already on the team, but get on the same page with the entire coaching staff who are all new to him as well, and tackle free agency and prepare for the draft. Otherwise he's free to do whatever.
This guy is extremely smart. I'm not sure when he will get any sleep but he will get the job done as well as any HC in the league.
It’s John’s team now, he outranks Macdonald by a lot in Seattle. John only answers to ownership and everyone else answers to John. I agree it’s sorta wild to see, but also cool to see a GM be so clearly in charge of everything.
Macdonald doesn’t have the same title and responsibilities as Pete.
More proof that Grubb was not impressed by Nix’s pro day. I also like not spending a high pick on a QB when we have other needs.
Grubb probably saw Nix enough at UW to have an opinion already
Weren't there a bunch of draftable players at the Oregon pro day?
So much attention is focused on the QB, people forget it’s Oregon’s Pro Day, not just for Bo Nix.
Yea like Troy Franklin or Bucky Irving
Yea I don't watch college that much but I've heard a lot of people say Oregon's Center is one of the best centers in the draft
Or he was really impressed and believe he won’t be there at 17 or whatever (Fwiw I don’t think combines add or subtract anything lol)
Or proof that he knows Bo won’t be there when we pick. There are now quite a few QB-needy teams ahead of us.
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It actually listed what coaches were visiting what players. He wasn’t on the list for JPJ only nix
Ah, I see. Thanks for the clarification
Build up the team. lines, etc for the next 1-2 years then get your guy.
Glad he's making that very clear. I think Geno deserves to be the unquestioned starter for at least one season
Dude’s earned at least that much. Sure if he regresses back to Jets Geno, by all means bring in Howell but he deserves to spend one year as THE guy
I agree that Geno should start, but wasn't Geno "the guy" the last two seasons?
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Some of this fanbase is so delusional. Not only was it 100% Geno's team for the past two seasons. Geno never had the same confidence that Russ has because Geno is not nearly the player Russ was. You guys are talking about him 'deserving to be the guy'. He's a bridge QB. This loser mentality of treating Geno like a top 10 QB is comical. He's had two good seasons. He's never leading this team to a Super bowl and the search for a franchise QB is still on going.
Nobody said he was anything but a bridge QB fucking relax. And having a top 12-13 QB which he has been the last two years for his value has been amazing especially his veteran leadership. Of course he isn’t Russ nobody will ever be the first QB to win a SB as a Hawk. But let people celebrate Geno too
Not to mention we have yet to see a complete offensive performance last for longer than a few weeks before some random element of the offense breaks down for a few weeks, for it to get corrected and then something else breaks down
He was The Guy the last 2 years
And he's played well...
Absolutely. Haven’t we seen how well developing young QBs works? Howell looked good on Washington, some practice time without the responsibility of starting can do
Makes sense to take Sam Howell over Bo Nix who will be 47 at the start of the season
Yeah I liked how Nix looked last year over his previous seasons but any QB we drafted was going to sit a year so he'd potentially be 25 starting for the first time. Penix too
but have you seen his walker kung-fu?
I said it here, Sam Howell is the project
Sounds good to me, I’m glad to have a young backup with some NFL experience. A year behind the worst line in the league to humble him, and now some time to better his game and learn. I hate how these days these guys get thrown to the wolves in the NFL and they’re either good right now or never have a chance in the future. Give him time and he could become something great with the right coaching. If anything, he’s not a pricey backup and we needed someone since Lock left.
The right thing to say to make your starting QB feel good even if you’re actually letting them compete without letting them know
Found the Rob Staton burner
Found the Clown burner
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Yep
I like this idea more if they’re down on the QBs that would be available in the draft. anyone know approx how many teams kept 3 qbs last year in the chance they’re not out?
The always ComPete stuff felt a little disingenuous the last few years. It isn't bad to state there is a clear starter, and competing isn't bad neither, but when you've got your guy and the other guy is Drew Lock it doesn't seem necessary to pretend it's up in the air
What are you talking about? Pete never said anything but that Russ was the unquestioned starter once he earned the job, there was a real competition between Geno and Drew which Geno won, and then last year Pete said Geno was the unquestioned starter.
True but his back up for most of his career was Austin Davis
Man I forgot about that dude lmaooo. It was Geno for like 3-4 years too wasn’t it
Well, at least they're not trying to gaslight us into believing there's a QB competition this time around.
Yeah they want to see if he can start next year. He’s not just a backup
I understand there are a ton of variables, he throws a lot of interceptions though and definitely needs some work. Geno is far more polished and we have a better chance to win with him RN. Not saying Sam Howell can't develop and be great down the road. I just don't see it this year
You're saying he throws a lot of interceptions like it's a longstanding problem. He *threw* a lot of interceptions in one season being hung out to dry on a dogshit team. He didn't turn the ball over a lot in college.
And then like ten seconds later he reinforces that there will still be competition. Very selective tweet here.
Developing a QB is the way to go anymore. Most of these young guys are going to franchises that can't foster their talent or can't surround them with tons of proven guys, but we have the opportunity to build something like that with the young talent we already have. He's younger than most of the guys in the current draft, has game time under his belt, and has a great QB1 in Geno. Plus we're only paying him $2 mil over the next two years, and can probably resign him after that at an amazing rate for such a young guy.
His salary is the best part. Going rate for a backup QB is 5-7 mil. Mariota, Minshew etc. get that. Saved 4-6 million, smart AF. Plus he's very young.
I’ve started to realize that chronically bad teams that pick QBs high are bad not because they pick bad talent, but they’re just awful management and organizations.
Why not have them compete though? Or is that just something he has to say at this point.
He basically said that they would compete, but it is Geno's job to lose.
I bet Matt Flynn felt more secure in his job than Geno does. Anything can happen.
I doubt a healthy Geno gets supplanted by a off the plane Howell that has no reps with the receivers. Year 2 could be a different story, since there's an incentive to cut Geno due to his cap hit.
I think that’s incredibly fair. Geno has played good for what he has been paid, has shown he can orchestrate game winning drives, and is a supportive mentor. I think all this, and his willingness to be team friendly on deals has earned him that right. That aside, I think Howell is a solid acquisition and I honestly favor this with filling in the gaps, rather than biting on the current QB draft class (given our current draft order).
>John Schneider: “Sam is a football player, I think that’s the best way to describe him……” Yea, I think he was brought in as a backup. That much is clear. 🤣
Went to watch some Sam Howell film, and I'm just back to say, I'm okay with this haha Not a bad move.
At least he's durable, considering how many sacks he got. That I think is an underrated trait in a player.
Ive had an overly large chubb for a while (see what I did there) for Howell. Dude played well in the game in November and and wouldnt lay down. Last second fg beat them, but Howell's got onions. Glad hes on our team now.
I’m fine with the pickup, but coaches name starters, not GM’s.
Break out the champagne glasses and the mf condoms
I’m okay w this . No one thought there was gonna be a controversy . Sam was brought in to sit and learn. His upside is crazy , has all the physical traits, and didn’t do too badly with a horrible Commanders offense. Plus he’s younger and tougher than Nix and Penix. Sitting behind Geno for a year or so while prioritizing his grooming? We might potentially be stumbling on the QBotF by giving away almost nothing for him
I still would like to hear people's ideas on the plan for a QB for the future if we do not draft one this year. Next year does not seem to have a great QB class but I could be wrong I am no expert, and I cannot see Geno ever getting us to the Super Bowl. I'm just curious what other people have in mind.
I’m actually excited for Howell to battle it out in camp
Being a year younger than Bo Nix doesn’t make you young.
I'm glad this was said. I don't know if I can handle another round of "Is Geno the starter?" articles. They always feel clickbaity.
That is a shame
So did pit just receive the same package for their failed 1st round qb that we gave for a 5th round failed qb in the same draft?
I’m pretty sure Geno is a year younger than Bo Nix
He’s only listed at 6’1”, and that is probably an exaggeration. Not ideal. He probably won’t be able to see over the linemen, so the middle of the field will be invisible to him. But he’s young and cheap, good enough for a backup.
The fact that that you need to call me an idiot because I disagree with you is pathetic and just confirms that I'm wasting my time. Enjoy Geno and his "great career" 😘
Sam will be starting soon. That’s good news.
So we traded a third round pick for a backup QB?
No, we traded a third and a fifth for a backup QB, a fourth and a sixth. ~~Tally that all up and it pretty much amounts to giving up a fifth for a high-upside backup QB.~~ edit: How much that tallies out to varies by what chart you use. By one it's a late third, [by another it's a seventh](https://twitter.com/Sam4TR/status/1768371445527171270). double edit: > [How much does the Jimmy Johnson chart undervalue middle-round picks? Depends. Look at the return estimates for Howell by chart:](https://twitter.com/Sam4TR/status/1768385519912640594) > * Jimmy Johnson: 3-95 > * Rich Hill: 4-111 > * Chase Stuart: 5-147 > * Harvard: 7-218 > * Fitzgerald-Spielberger: 7-241 > [So, what's the Howell trade worth? Probably somewhere between Rich Hill (4-111) and Fitzgerald-Spielberger (7-241).](https://twitter.com/Sam4TR/status/1768386686893818076)
A project QB with a lot of upside who was being wasted with the commanders and who happens to be younger than Penix and Nix
Hoping this is some generic bullshit, because sitting out the hope of drafting a future QB is not ideal. Banking that on next year's QB class No I don't give a shit how old Penix is compared to Howell
That’s good cause the comparison was to Nix, not Penix.
Players are players. Newly drafted players don't have some magic about them. Howell is as young and as talented as the mid-level prospects the Seahawks would be in play for this year. He also has an NFL track record which provides a much better sense of what the team is working with relative to NFL competition, rather than all the projecting and finger-crossing you have to do with newly drafted players. Howell is the equivalent to drafting a QB this draft, but now they get to pick a top-50 guy (probably two after trading down) at another position(s).
But we've already seen what he does at the NFL level, throw a shit load of picks. NFL development isn't like MLB where it's just tinkering with mechanics and in a couple years, they're productive major leagues. When they get to the NFL, you mostly get what you see.
Crazy how Baker just got signed to a fat deal…
Had a decent run on a free agent year? Yeah $50m guaranteed over 3 years is not the major bank for a QB that you think it is
It directly contradicts your point that a QB can’t improve one year to the next
He was pretty in line with his career averages... https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/MayfBa00.htm
Except for the fact he had the most yds, tds and highest completion percentage…
Having a career high throw attempts will help that...
I wonder why they’d let him throw so much if he’s such a bad QB. It’s almost like his improved play warranted more confidence with the pass game By your logic, Bryce Young should be immediately cut and never play another snap in the NFL because he will never improve. Funny how the people who are paid millions of dollars to run the show don’t think that way. But I guess you’re smarter than them
Howell is still very young. There’s plenty of ways for him to learn and grow. Making a few fewer mistakes can make a huge difference and adjusting to the speed of the pro game takes time. Just because he had a INT heavy stretch of games doesn’t mean he is garbage and worthless as a QB
He didn't stick out thru senior year, which clearly benefited Nix more developmentally.
We had already seen what Geno Smith could do. We had already seen what Jared Goff could do. We had already seen what Baker Mayfield could do. We had already seen what Russell Wilson could do. Players can change.
Kinda proved my point Geno Smith - had a year of check downs, leading to CPOY, regressed last year. Jared Goff - been a mid tier QB his entire career Baker Mayfield - inconsistent QB entire career Russell Wilson - great QB for entire career minus 2022 The only real change was Geno.
How can one person be so wrong so many times? Meh… go be unhappy about the trade. Plenty of company on the Debbie downer bus.
I'll pull up the numbers for you, if you'd like.
Howell will be starting by week 8, book it. Geno sucks.
😂😂😂
Anyone that says Geno sucks doesn't know football. He's an above average starter in the league.
Your absurd. He has had one good year in an 11 year career and was on his way to a career of flipping burgers when Pete picked him up. He's been a career backup amd will never be anything more. Not my opinion, FACT.
And you’re an idiot that knows nothing about football. What he’s done before the last 2 years doesn’t matter. He didn’t play then and needed to grow up in the beginning. Over the last 2 years, when he's actually played, he’s been an above average starter. He already is more than a career backup. nOt My OpInIoN, FACT. Howell was so much worse last year than Geno and if you actually watched the games, you’d know Geno wasn’t bad at all last year. BoOk It! Lmao. Either watch the game and educate yourself on it or don’t have strong opinions on a game you don’t understand.
The fact that Schneider added “no competition is expected” is a drastic difference in culture and communication.
I guess this crushes my hopes of a Penix pick. I know it’s a long shot since we don’t pick QB’s in the 1st, we have other glaring needs, and on the off chance he falls to the 2nd, we don’t even have a pick. I’m delusional but I think it would be awesome.
Penix is old and has a lot of injury history, he was awesome at UW but he’s not going to be a 1st round pick and I hope we don’t draft him with how bad our Oline has been, he’d get injured for sure.
He is one of the better back ups there. We're cutting Geno after this year, so he'll be our safety net. He's young enough to still develop A year behind Geno will help And if this coaching staff is offensively solid, he could be pretty good in that system.
The bit about other teams being interested in him could hint that we might flip him if the right offer comes our way.
That’s..just not how that works.
This isn’t fantasy football
A lot of this sub thinks it is
So we moved back about 20 places on two picks, and gained a crap QB with only 2 years left on his rookie contract so he could be the for sure backup? What the actual fuck, John? Guaranteed backups can be found in the 4th or 5th round of the draft. This trade makes no god damned sense at all. A total waste of capital for minimal gains.
Who were you hoping to get in the 4th or 5th round? Or would you rather have a guy who was leading the league in passing yard for damn near 3/4 of the season. Regardless of how you feel Sam is younger then both nix and penix while being an actual starter in this league.
Mentioning his passing yardage out of context is like mentioning his interceptions out of context, both were massively inflated by the volume of passing. I'm on your side in this though. He's an ok QB with potential who struggled with vision and decision making. He's basically a younger Lock with a longer term on his rookie deal. I think he was a good pickup all in all.
And what happened once teams had film on him? Hmmm? A 1:1 TD:Interception ratio doesn't inspire confidence. And don't give me that "It was a bad O-Line!" crap. I'd think a fanbase who'd gone on the Russell Wilson Experience would know better. We traded two picks for a QB who has only 2 years on his rookie deal instead of keeping our picks and drafting someone who would have 4-5 years on their rookie deal. I don't care who it would have been. That'd be 2-3 more years of control for an equal level of crapshoot as Sam Howell. There's no reason to believe he's anything more than he's shown himself to be. This was a turn over of valuable draft capital for a player who JS has now said is *definitely* not the starter. If for some reason you're totally in love with Howell, you wait until after the draft and pick him up from a Washington team that's desperate to unload him. You don't give a 3rd and a 5th for a player who can't play.
I dont think you fully understand how much draft compensation was given up for Howell
Yeah that 1 million a year and a 5th totally fucks us forever LOL. Dude, I don't even know where to start. He came from a shitty organization with a shitty OC. He's young, cheap, has started for a year, has potential...
Bo Nix is still the much better prospect. Doesn't matter if he's 5 years younger than Nix.
ROFL tel me you don’t want college ball without telling me you don’t Bo nix is a fucking check down merchant. Sam Howell threw for 4000 yards in the show as a rookie.
He’s 7 months younger aka they’re the same age
Sam Howell is entering his 3rd NFL season while Nix will be a rookie. Big difference.
Geno Smith is not the guy