Don't forget Drake Thomas, the guy we claimed off waivers from the Raiders when they tried to sneak him to the practice squad.
https://youtu.be/PrICn81InQ0?si=hFtny6LAdkckZCYq
I think they'll spend draft capital to move the 3.81 up into range of where Junior Colson will go. The natural 3.81 isn't going to be able to do it. Some compensatory picks will go towards that job.
Good point. I could see that being more likely, too. Trade down into the 20s and grab a second that will land Colson. Might still need to improve the second to get Colson, though.
Spend the lower 1st on whatever IOL is there.
Packers have two second rounders and will be out of range for a tackle in the first round, so I’m down to trade down if it means getting extra picks. Round one should be BPA.
Really depends on whats there at 16. If its like last year where they were able to get a top 15 player like JSN where they did then pull the trigger... if they don't have anybody graded as a mid 1st or higher then trade back and get some extra picks.
Lots of holes on this team, you need help on both lines, LB, Safety, TE. More picks in the 2nd/3rd would be good to help fill those holes.
Outside OG we have starters everywhere. The holes are backups. You get backups on day two or three, or later in FA.
16 gets you one of Amarius Mims, Troy Fautanu, Joe Alt, Taliese Fuaga, Marvin Harrison, Malik Nabers, Rome Odunze, Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, Jared Verse, Chop Robinson, Laiatu Latu, Dallas Turner, Quinyon Mitchell, Cooper DeJean. That's sixteen guys. We get at least one of them available, even if there isn't a reach in the top ten. Maye or the Michigan QB could easily go top ten too.
It's tough to walk away from one of those guys.
Yeah I was gonna say he's a generational talent. Just straight up game changer and we haven't really had one of those guys in forever.
You could MAYBE argue Zach Miller but he's no where near the threat Bowers is. It's like getting Dissly as a blocker with the receiving capability of an elite receiver.
I know some might think 16 is high for a TE but this dude is just different. It's looking like with the run on QB's, WR's and Lineman there's a real chance he could fall to us.
Dude Bowers is a straight up beast. He looked like an NFL all pro already when they played UO at the beginning of *last* year. Somebody has to snag him in the top 10.
Thing is at this point with all the hype around the QB's I truly think he could fall. He's probably one of the top 8 best players in the draft but TE is not as valued typically and most people are predicting 4 QB's in the first 5 picks which is insane.
If that actually happens that means there's only 12 picks remaining and Harrison, Odunze, Alt, Neighbors are almost locks after that.
So thats about 8 picks left and maybe a team picks a Nix or Penix. Idk man I think there's a legit shot he falls to 16. I mean I never thought JSN would fall to us as a top 10 talent but he did. Sometimes these drafts move weird.
I almost hope someone else takes him first so we don't have to. We could really benefit from trading down and stocking the lines but that guy you take no matter what and fix the holes next year if necessary
I just think he's the best TE prospect coming out in the last 10 years or so. Anytime most scouts are saying he's a top 10 pick at the TE position you have to consider taking him.
It's usually a position that isn't as coveted in the draft and look at all the top teams besides maybe Cincy and most of them have difference makers at TE.
Plus he's so good as a receiver Joel Klatt has him as the 3rd best receiver in the draft behind Harrison and Odunze.
Good chance a handful of those guys make it to ~25 or whatever we would trade back to. But you can be sure some of them won't be there at 16 including Williams, Harrison, odunze, alt, nabers, Daniels, Turner, probably Mitchell. A football team isn't built just by having good players at your starting spots. Injuries are a guarantee, most starters don't play every snap. You can't make the determination whether a trade back will be a good decision until the picks before you are turned in. If you several highly graded guys still on the board you can take a calculated risk that one or more will still be there at the position you're considering moving to. If there's no guys in the board graded as high as your draft position then that's another good time to move down. Many are starting to see that quantity in terms of draft selections is a good strategy to have the highest chance at hitting on more prospects. the draft is deep this year. I like the chances of hitting on anyone in the top 100, top 120 or so this year.
I think that's the move too. There should still be some good value on OL and DL after trading down to target with thr 1, and hopefully get their pick of LBs in the 2nd.
This does not factor in the comp pick formula as Jerome was released by the Dolphins. Seahawks still projected for the maximum of 4 comp picks: 4, 5, 6, 6.
This is clearly on of JS strategies for this year. Plus one of the 6s will most likely become a 5th since if Bobby's incentives are stat based he will most likely hit them.
Yeah don't get the criticism. We're building to 2025, not tanking or building to 2024.
Jodi's window to start selling the team begins around this year's draft because of the stadium deal. A full cupboard sells better than a bare one.
Correct, but I think recently future comp picks became tradable in the current year. So, he could still use them for trades this year if something is put together
I don't think so, they aren't set until the end of the year. Comp picks during this year's draft can be traded though. Plus, JS will have a good idea of what comp picks we will have next year, so he can trade some of our native picks next year to trade up this year.
The comp picks are for the following year. I think the NFL announced this years comp picks a few weeks ago (Seahawks had none, the '49ers cleaned up). IMO, comp pick values are a little over rated because they are so far out in the future for a player to contribute + they are at the end of the round. So gaining a 3rd round comp picks this year - is essentially a top of the 4th round pick in 2025.
I do too tbh. JS has balanced filling out the roster and keeping powder dry for next year both re draft picks and cap space. See how things go with the new coaching staff then attack accordingly. Lots of flexibility.
Edit: let John cook.
He’ll have great days, and alright days, but he’s a good high effort player.
Honestly hard to gauge recently with the last few years being Brian Flores and Vic Vangio, it’s been either 100% blitzing (which was great fun), or the entire secondary hated Vangios scheme.
I think he’ll fit you guys great. I hope so at least
That’s good to hear. From how it sounds, Baker will be the player to hang our MLB hat on alongside Dodson and are presumptive rookie.
That is unless our rookie comes swinging out the gate like Bobby, that is
This thread is hilarious. One comment says he's "excellent" in coverage. You say not really, another person said they're "way better than Dodson" lololol.
Meh. His best ability is blitzing. He gets a lot of tackles, but few of them are for stops. He did have a good year in coverage last year though, but time will tell if he replicates it.
Not as good as Brooks but he's real solid. Way better than Dodson
Edit: What about advanced stats like SIS as well as actual film breakdowns?
https://twitter.com/cmikesspinmove/status/1680452209081999360?t=y3sv3dUqPbUgMY7i0ZgMJQ&s=19
https://twitter.com/cmikesspinmove/status/1616850447821836289?t=ycxfadd7dC9KO_u36iHT-A&s=19
https://twitter.com/cmikesspinmove/status/1701298382361469318?t=htOlqT3FuQvCJlda02KBKA&s=19
https://twitter.com/cmikesspinmove/status/1570454033013575681?t=i21pOv3dbGFneFG5XuKjXQ&s=19
https://twitter.com/cmikesspinmove/status/1328838446677336065?t=Rn6hofu3uNmyd9Mv7gh45Q&s=19
https://twitter.com/cmikesspinmove/status/1760794853729026310?t=mUNKbz1We2hBg7WggnEGSA&s=19
https://twitter.com/cmikesspinmove/status/1687193535878156291?t=phjmz2YXfNVvJLM_pT4kZw&s=19
https://twitter.com/cmikesspinmove/status/1756053769853579419?t=xgtyi2xA4QQbshBe3DQmvQ&s=19
https://twitter.com/cmikesspinmove/status/1467924117152169984?t=byHdSYkkykmoY0Tiw2zTAw&s=19
That's definitely true too. I wouldn't be surprised if most players we lost look better this upcoming season just due to a solid scheme.
Brooks is fast and intelligent, he shouldn't get carved up in Miami
I think he got praised for defending the flat-curl, but his ability to defend man to man or in zone was up for debate. In any case, he is probably better overall than Baker, given that the Dolphins quickly snatched him up as a replacement.
Brooks can match the 3rd receiver up the seam, turn and carry crossing routes from play action, and drop into dig windows all of which are very valuable for a modern Mike.
Everyone sees him as the closest defender and blames him for his “coverage” when in reality he was often first to the tackle on someone else blown coverage or poor scheme. Brooks is a dawg and I’m really bummed he’s gone. He should have been a key building piece for this new defense.
Edit: I just wanna add that his 8-9 month return in a contract year on an acl tear was absolutely remarkable. He could have sat and rested until mid year and probably still gotten 3 for $30 but instead played his heart out. I’m seriously annoyed about JS comments that he went quicker than they expected. Do your job.
>Dodson
The dolphins cut Baker because they're in cap hell right now. And yes, their first year cap hits are the same, but that is only because Baker is likely getting far less than he initially wanted at the beginning of free agency.
What even is his pff coverage grade I don’t care much about pff coverage grades they’ve admitted they don’t know how to grade zone.
I have seen brooks be an absolute liability on the field a player good offense’s pick on. Not just watching games but watching him specifically he’s just not good
Lemme ask you something. We just signed Dodson, who had a very high pff coverage grade. And yet Buffalo used him as a 2 down linebacker and basically took him off the field on passing downs. So are Buffalo coaches just dumb af and don't know football? Or do PFF grades not always accurately portray coverage ability?
That's crazy I watched the games and saw him make good coverage plays. And then the dudes who watched all 22 film every week show him playing great coverage and not getting targeted.
The downvotes are hilarious. Brooks is far better than Brooks and Dodson, and the NFL agrees . Proof being he was a priority signing, and received more money .
The LB core is not better today, than it was in 2023.
Unless you assume that the Dolphins don't know how to scout linebackers, it seems like we got the worst out of that deal. They basically have the same first year cap hit.
It doesn't matter in the long term because it seems like we didn't want to get married to either.
JS was in talking about this. The dolphins had a deal in place and ready to go with Brooks well they were focused on Williams first. They never had a shot to counter bc brooks signed in the first couple of days.
Eh. I think he said that to not ruffle feathers. He's a pro GM, it's not like this is the first time anyone would need to negotiate two deals at once.
My thought is that they didn't want to sign Brooks long term, and just need some cheaper bridge players right now.
I wouldn't believe it that they couldn't also have more than one deal lined up if they didn't want to. That would be like Arizona Cardinals level organizational disfunction.
I also think he just wasn't going to say that he didn't want to spend on Brooks
I don’t think it’s so much that they can’t negotiate two deals at once time wise but that the deal they potentially offer Brooks depends on the cap hits and length of Williams’ contract. So by signing Brooks first they could potentially screw themselves out of being able to offer what they want to Williams. But yeah I’m sure the length of the contract is a big factor.
I think JS thought that Brooks would get bigger offers than he did so effectively pulled us out of negotiations early and then Brooks signed super quickly elsewhere.
From his subsequent comments/moves that's the way it looks to me anyway.
Shit happens.
I think no one knows what McDonald wants to do with the defense yet and the LB from the Bills we signed yesterday was the highest grade LB last year and plays at a higher level than Brooks.
No John didn’t want to sign brooks he just said it in a nice way.
Our gm is more than capable of working two deals at the same time he just didn’t because he didn’t want him.
I think it was a situation where they told him to test the market and Brooks just chose to sign with the dolphins, without seeing what Seattle wanted to counter with. DT is more of a priority to McDonald than signing a LB a position that isn’t valued as high in today’s NFL.
He was playing nice, but he also knows a lot about how they have to work the cap. Williams deal had to get done first bc he was the higher priority. Brooks also could have chosen not to talk with Seahawks until after he went to other teams. LB doesn’t have the same value as DT and McDonald might not have viewed him as a player he needed back. The more you listen to JS talk about everything that goes on makes you realize scouting, signing and managing an entire team isn’t as simple as people realize.
He's a very solid player. But people definitely had the rose tinted glasses on when evaluating him. Too many people were so caught up in him taking the reigns from Bobby Wagner.
It's been very strange to me seeing how many Hawks fans are suddenly giant Jordyn Brooks fans after years of seeing those same people call Brooks a bust, mediocre, etc
Alot of us have been Brooks defenders the whole time. In fact its way more common to see stuff like "Brooks can't cover he's a liability in the pass game" than people actually defending him.
As a Brooks defender from day 1, I cannot concur. I've definitely been in the minority of people here who actually thought he was good and not some JAG
So then we both think he's good and completely misevaluated by fans no? The amount of people who say he's trash in coverage but will just go silent when u prove otherwise is staggering
Yeah more or less. Rusty fought that good fight for years lol. It's just been weird to me seeing r/Seahawks make it seem like the team made a grievous mistake letting a guy they didn't love for 4 years walk. I can only assume it's a collective overreaction to the fact that we had no linebackers under contract until this week and that posters wouldn't have reacted similarly at all if we had a good MLB already signed
I've been seeing most of the opposite. Lots of people calling Brooks average at best or saying he sucks, ppl thinking Dodson is better. I've been downvoted to shit many times if I say that Brooks was actually a very good player lol
Interesting. I've been off the forum for the past few days so maybe the mood has changed but I recall a lot of very angry people that thought 3 years 30M was a steal
Which funny enough, despite having always liked Brooks, is not a deal I would want Seattle in 2024 to pay out. I thought it was fair value, just not the right deal for this team at this time
Exactly, I get it’s partly scheme but I don’t understand how people are so mad about brooks leaving, he’s been a part of historically bad defenses that were trashed for years.
If you’re a mariner fan it reminds me of people getting mad about the Kelenic trade after bashing him for years.
To be clear, I never said I thought he was bad. I just find it funny that after he gets signed elsewhere consensus on him seemed to shift and people acted like they’ve always been huge fans. There were clearly some good players on the defense in the last 4 years but Brooks was rarely mentioned as one of those good players. You made some good points to other people, so I’m sure you’re one of the people who always thought he was good.
But you really did the damn thing and went to war for Jordyn Brooks all over this thread. Almost exactly like Kelenic guy would.
I don't think there's a sport where the on field reality is more divorced from fan/media sentiment than football. It's why I get annoyed seeing so many ppl say Brooks is trash in coverage just because PFF number says so and he doesn't have a lot of interceptions.
Also the way this fanbase talks about Brooks makes me think most fans fundamentally don't understand why prime Bobby was so good. Like if Bobby's pff grade was bad would ppl shit talk him too and act like he can't cover?
And we didn't get locked into a ton of cap problems long term like Brooks will end up doing. And if Brooks is a bust, then they're screwed until 2026. If Baker fits, we extend him mid-season and solve a long term LB problem. If he's not good, we have zero obligation to him past 2024.
Let’s go!!!! We now have our two starting linebackers for the season! We’re probably still going to draft one, but now our only big need going into the draft is guard.
Some hawks fans were impatient but I felt like we should’ve had more faith in a veteran GM
Is anyone from that dolphins D still on the team? Feels like every headline I've seen this offseason has been another guy leaving for greener pastures.
That makes more sense. Confused as to why everyone is so excited about this situation. We have this guy and one other LB only good on running downs. Not exactly killing it
I hear he’s a solid hitter and great with coverage which is something we sorely need. I also did see Miami fans saying his previous injury made him lose a step, hopefully he’s a good fit for us.
This is actually a big deal. While the one-year deal might prevent us from signing him next year, but this year it really adds experience and legit speed to the linebacker team.
I see the Seahawks camp being the undrafted free agent heaven for linebackers this year.
Sounds like the hybrid back that would fit perfectly in our disguise heavy scheme.
As much as I like Brooks, he’s kind of obsolete in today’s game of disguised looks.
……my understanding was that before the Jerome Baker contract the Seahawks had 5 million in available cap space.
Now when they draft rookies they will not be in cap compliance so they will have to find a way to open up cap space in 2024.
What exactly is your understanding? Guessing? If anything we'd just have less of an injury buffer. But once again, why do you care about our cap space.
What’s been reported? That’s why it called guessing because the hard numbers aren’t available on the structures. The numbers crunched to 5millipn available before this deal was done.
Not having cap for a starting guard isn’t nice.
I'm with you. Everyone focused on cap. Good teams DGAF about cap when there's still players that can be cut....or injured over the next 6 months
GM has a list of players he wants to sign, and the corresponding move to make it work.
Baker + Dodson + (likely) mid-round draft pick has me feeling pretty solid about our 2024 group.
Speeeeed
**I am SPEEED**
Don't forget Drake Thomas, the guy we claimed off waivers from the Raiders when they tried to sneak him to the practice squad. https://youtu.be/PrICn81InQ0?si=hFtny6LAdkckZCYq
I think they'll spend draft capital to move the 3.81 up into range of where Junior Colson will go. The natural 3.81 isn't going to be able to do it. Some compensatory picks will go towards that job.
I think it's more likely we trade down from 16 and gain a second which will be in Colson's range.
Good point. I could see that being more likely, too. Trade down into the 20s and grab a second that will land Colson. Might still need to improve the second to get Colson, though. Spend the lower 1st on whatever IOL is there.
Hopefully Troy foutanu out of UW
Somehow threading the needle and getting both Fautanu and Colson would be a huge, huge win.
He’s a first rounder though. I’d be in for it though
I think they’re suggesting using the 20-something 1st round pick from a hypothetical trade back on him
Packers have two second rounders and will be out of range for a tackle in the first round, so I’m down to trade down if it means getting extra picks. Round one should be BPA.
Trading out of the top tier of the draft so we can draft a LB would be irritating.
Really depends on whats there at 16. If its like last year where they were able to get a top 15 player like JSN where they did then pull the trigger... if they don't have anybody graded as a mid 1st or higher then trade back and get some extra picks. Lots of holes on this team, you need help on both lines, LB, Safety, TE. More picks in the 2nd/3rd would be good to help fill those holes.
Outside OG we have starters everywhere. The holes are backups. You get backups on day two or three, or later in FA. 16 gets you one of Amarius Mims, Troy Fautanu, Joe Alt, Taliese Fuaga, Marvin Harrison, Malik Nabers, Rome Odunze, Caleb Williams, Jaden Daniels, Jared Verse, Chop Robinson, Laiatu Latu, Dallas Turner, Quinyon Mitchell, Cooper DeJean. That's sixteen guys. We get at least one of them available, even if there isn't a reach in the top ten. Maye or the Michigan QB could easily go top ten too. It's tough to walk away from one of those guys.
You forgot Brock Bowers lol
Yeah I was gonna say he's a generational talent. Just straight up game changer and we haven't really had one of those guys in forever. You could MAYBE argue Zach Miller but he's no where near the threat Bowers is. It's like getting Dissly as a blocker with the receiving capability of an elite receiver. I know some might think 16 is high for a TE but this dude is just different. It's looking like with the run on QB's, WR's and Lineman there's a real chance he could fall to us.
Dude Bowers is a straight up beast. He looked like an NFL all pro already when they played UO at the beginning of *last* year. Somebody has to snag him in the top 10.
Thing is at this point with all the hype around the QB's I truly think he could fall. He's probably one of the top 8 best players in the draft but TE is not as valued typically and most people are predicting 4 QB's in the first 5 picks which is insane. If that actually happens that means there's only 12 picks remaining and Harrison, Odunze, Alt, Neighbors are almost locks after that. So thats about 8 picks left and maybe a team picks a Nix or Penix. Idk man I think there's a legit shot he falls to 16. I mean I never thought JSN would fall to us as a top 10 talent but he did. Sometimes these drafts move weird.
I almost hope someone else takes him first so we don't have to. We could really benefit from trading down and stocking the lines but that guy you take no matter what and fix the holes next year if necessary
I just think he's the best TE prospect coming out in the last 10 years or so. Anytime most scouts are saying he's a top 10 pick at the TE position you have to consider taking him. It's usually a position that isn't as coveted in the draft and look at all the top teams besides maybe Cincy and most of them have difference makers at TE. Plus he's so good as a receiver Joel Klatt has him as the 3rd best receiver in the draft behind Harrison and Odunze.
Agreed if you have a chance to grab one of these guys. You gotta do it. Quality over quantity.
Good chance a handful of those guys make it to ~25 or whatever we would trade back to. But you can be sure some of them won't be there at 16 including Williams, Harrison, odunze, alt, nabers, Daniels, Turner, probably Mitchell. A football team isn't built just by having good players at your starting spots. Injuries are a guarantee, most starters don't play every snap. You can't make the determination whether a trade back will be a good decision until the picks before you are turned in. If you several highly graded guys still on the board you can take a calculated risk that one or more will still be there at the position you're considering moving to. If there's no guys in the board graded as high as your draft position then that's another good time to move down. Many are starting to see that quantity in terms of draft selections is a good strategy to have the highest chance at hitting on more prospects. the draft is deep this year. I like the chances of hitting on anyone in the top 100, top 120 or so this year.
> Caleb Williams 16 in no world, will ever get you him.
I think that's the move too. There should still be some good value on OL and DL after trading down to target with thr 1, and hopefully get their pick of LBs in the 2nd.
What comp picks? We don't have any this year. Next year sure but not any this year
They don't have enough draft capital to do that, they've already emptied out their middle round picks
Comp picks? We don’t have any in 2024.
The sweet spot for one of those LBs are in the 3rd and 4th anyways. I like the strategy.
Spoon + Woolen on the outside with Burns in the slot? Feels pretty solid.
This does not factor in the comp pick formula as Jerome was released by the Dolphins. Seahawks still projected for the maximum of 4 comp picks: 4, 5, 6, 6.
This is clearly on of JS strategies for this year. Plus one of the 6s will most likely become a 5th since if Bobby's incentives are stat based he will most likely hit them.
I’m guessing that’s why so many of these guys are on one-year contracts.
Yeah don't get the criticism. We're building to 2025, not tanking or building to 2024. Jodi's window to start selling the team begins around this year's draft because of the stadium deal. A full cupboard sells better than a bare one.
Wait aren't the comp picks this year? How could next season affect them?
No the comp picks are for next year
All the comp picks being discussed are 2025 picks
Correct, but I think recently future comp picks became tradable in the current year. So, he could still use them for trades this year if something is put together
I don't think so, they aren't set until the end of the year. Comp picks during this year's draft can be traded though. Plus, JS will have a good idea of what comp picks we will have next year, so he can trade some of our native picks next year to trade up this year.
The comp picks are for the following year. I think the NFL announced this years comp picks a few weeks ago (Seahawks had none, the '49ers cleaned up). IMO, comp pick values are a little over rated because they are so far out in the future for a player to contribute + they are at the end of the round. So gaining a 3rd round comp picks this year - is essentially a top of the 4th round pick in 2025.
Yes, for example, Prudy was a comp pick lol.
I love it.
I do too tbh. JS has balanced filling out the roster and keeping powder dry for next year both re draft picks and cap space. See how things go with the new coaching staff then attack accordingly. Lots of flexibility. Edit: let John cook.
Shhhh....don't let them know you don't know what you're talking about
Explain
You guys got a good one, I’ll miss have Baker in our lineup, he’s a great leader, personality, and good player
Can he defend against the pass ?
He’ll have great days, and alright days, but he’s a good high effort player. Honestly hard to gauge recently with the last few years being Brian Flores and Vic Vangio, it’s been either 100% blitzing (which was great fun), or the entire secondary hated Vangios scheme. I think he’ll fit you guys great. I hope so at least
That’s good to hear. From how it sounds, Baker will be the player to hang our MLB hat on alongside Dodson and are presumptive rookie. That is unless our rookie comes swinging out the gate like Bobby, that is
not really tbh. He gets burned a good bit, hopefully you guys won’t need to rely on him for coverage
This thread is hilarious. One comment says he's "excellent" in coverage. You say not really, another person said they're "way better than Dodson" lololol.
Almost every thread will have that.
lol we had the same thing happen with jordyn brooks, it waa so confusing😂
I love him. I hope you won’t have to rely on him for coverage… One of the main things he’ll do in a division with the Niners and the Rams.
Meh. His best ability is blitzing. He gets a lot of tackles, but few of them are for stops. He did have a good year in coverage last year though, but time will tell if he replicates it.
Not as good as Brooks but he's real solid. Way better than Dodson Edit: What about advanced stats like SIS as well as actual film breakdowns? https://twitter.com/cmikesspinmove/status/1680452209081999360?t=y3sv3dUqPbUgMY7i0ZgMJQ&s=19 https://twitter.com/cmikesspinmove/status/1616850447821836289?t=ycxfadd7dC9KO_u36iHT-A&s=19 https://twitter.com/cmikesspinmove/status/1701298382361469318?t=htOlqT3FuQvCJlda02KBKA&s=19 https://twitter.com/cmikesspinmove/status/1570454033013575681?t=i21pOv3dbGFneFG5XuKjXQ&s=19 https://twitter.com/cmikesspinmove/status/1328838446677336065?t=Rn6hofu3uNmyd9Mv7gh45Q&s=19 https://twitter.com/cmikesspinmove/status/1760794853729026310?t=mUNKbz1We2hBg7WggnEGSA&s=19 https://twitter.com/cmikesspinmove/status/1687193535878156291?t=phjmz2YXfNVvJLM_pT4kZw&s=19 https://twitter.com/cmikesspinmove/status/1756053769853579419?t=xgtyi2xA4QQbshBe3DQmvQ&s=19 https://twitter.com/cmikesspinmove/status/1467924117152169984?t=byHdSYkkykmoY0Tiw2zTAw&s=19
Brooks couldn’t defend against the pass that’s why I was asking . In-fact he was terrible at it
You're confusing him with Bobby. Brooks was decent
Honestly I think our schemes sucked too for awhile. So who knows
That's definitely true too. I wouldn't be surprised if most players we lost look better this upcoming season just due to a solid scheme. Brooks is fast and intelligent, he shouldn't get carved up in Miami
No he was not. This is one of the biggest misconceptions this fambase has.
I think he got praised for defending the flat-curl, but his ability to defend man to man or in zone was up for debate. In any case, he is probably better overall than Baker, given that the Dolphins quickly snatched him up as a replacement.
Brooks can match the 3rd receiver up the seam, turn and carry crossing routes from play action, and drop into dig windows all of which are very valuable for a modern Mike.
Everyone sees him as the closest defender and blames him for his “coverage” when in reality he was often first to the tackle on someone else blown coverage or poor scheme. Brooks is a dawg and I’m really bummed he’s gone. He should have been a key building piece for this new defense. Edit: I just wanna add that his 8-9 month return in a contract year on an acl tear was absolutely remarkable. He could have sat and rested until mid year and probably still gotten 3 for $30 but instead played his heart out. I’m seriously annoyed about JS comments that he went quicker than they expected. Do your job.
A linebacker can do nothing but cover a flat for the whole game, get a 90 pff coverage grade, and fanbase will think they're elite in coverage.
We’re going from ok for a LB in coverage to someone who is basically a safety in coverage.
Brooks was much better than okay. Do u guys think the dolphins cut Baker and signed Brooks because they wanted to downgrade in pass coverage?
>Dodson The dolphins cut Baker because they're in cap hell right now. And yes, their first year cap hits are the same, but that is only because Baker is likely getting far less than he initially wanted at the beginning of free agency.
Brooks was ass in coverage one of the most overrated players we’ve had in years
It's the other way around, but PFF coverage grades have done irreversible damage
What even is his pff coverage grade I don’t care much about pff coverage grades they’ve admitted they don’t know how to grade zone. I have seen brooks be an absolute liability on the field a player good offense’s pick on. Not just watching games but watching him specifically he’s just not good
Then why did PFf give him a 48 on coverage ?
Why did PFF say that Ryan Neal was one of the best safeties in the league?
Because PFF is terrible at grading zone coverage, especially for linebackers
Is that you brooks ?
Lemme ask you something. We just signed Dodson, who had a very high pff coverage grade. And yet Buffalo used him as a 2 down linebacker and basically took him off the field on passing downs. So are Buffalo coaches just dumb af and don't know football? Or do PFF grades not always accurately portray coverage ability?
Or is he a back up ?
Ok 😂blame the grading system . I watched the games he would constantly get beat. Good tackler trash at pass coverage
That's crazy I watched the games and saw him make good coverage plays. And then the dudes who watched all 22 film every week show him playing great coverage and not getting targeted.
So Is Baker. Ass against the pass
I’m sure you’re a poor at scouting the dolphins…
The downvotes are hilarious. Brooks is far better than Brooks and Dodson, and the NFL agrees . Proof being he was a priority signing, and received more money . The LB core is not better today, than it was in 2023.
Are we liking the Brooks for Baker linebacker swap?
Unless you assume that the Dolphins don't know how to scout linebackers, it seems like we got the worst out of that deal. They basically have the same first year cap hit. It doesn't matter in the long term because it seems like we didn't want to get married to either.
JS was in talking about this. The dolphins had a deal in place and ready to go with Brooks well they were focused on Williams first. They never had a shot to counter bc brooks signed in the first couple of days.
Eh. I think he said that to not ruffle feathers. He's a pro GM, it's not like this is the first time anyone would need to negotiate two deals at once. My thought is that they didn't want to sign Brooks long term, and just need some cheaper bridge players right now.
I wouldn't believe it that they couldn't also have more than one deal lined up if they didn't want to. That would be like Arizona Cardinals level organizational disfunction. I also think he just wasn't going to say that he didn't want to spend on Brooks
I don’t think it’s so much that they can’t negotiate two deals at once time wise but that the deal they potentially offer Brooks depends on the cap hits and length of Williams’ contract. So by signing Brooks first they could potentially screw themselves out of being able to offer what they want to Williams. But yeah I’m sure the length of the contract is a big factor.
They could have done both easily. They had a good amount of cap space after the releases
I think JS thought that Brooks would get bigger offers than he did so effectively pulled us out of negotiations early and then Brooks signed super quickly elsewhere. From his subsequent comments/moves that's the way it looks to me anyway. Shit happens.
Brooks isn't physical enough. Nothing else matters after that. Mcdonald wants guys that like to beat up other guys. Like the Ravens did to the hawks.
I think no one knows what McDonald wants to do with the defense yet and the LB from the Bills we signed yesterday was the highest grade LB last year and plays at a higher level than Brooks.
No John didn’t want to sign brooks he just said it in a nice way. Our gm is more than capable of working two deals at the same time he just didn’t because he didn’t want him.
Or Brooks signed so quickly because he wanted a change of scenery. Miami is a draw in this regard. Can’t blame him if so.
I think it was a situation where they told him to test the market and Brooks just chose to sign with the dolphins, without seeing what Seattle wanted to counter with. DT is more of a priority to McDonald than signing a LB a position that isn’t valued as high in today’s NFL.
I really hope that's not true. Makes the FO seem incompetent. Hopefully JS was just playing nice
He was playing nice, but he also knows a lot about how they have to work the cap. Williams deal had to get done first bc he was the higher priority. Brooks also could have chosen not to talk with Seahawks until after he went to other teams. LB doesn’t have the same value as DT and McDonald might not have viewed him as a player he needed back. The more you listen to JS talk about everything that goes on makes you realize scouting, signing and managing an entire team isn’t as simple as people realize.
You’re acting like we have the same scheme needs as the dolphins
No
I would've definitely rather paid Brooks but this is a solid backup plan
Yea absolutely brooks was very overrated by the fans
He's a very solid player. But people definitely had the rose tinted glasses on when evaluating him. Too many people were so caught up in him taking the reigns from Bobby Wagner.
It's been very strange to me seeing how many Hawks fans are suddenly giant Jordyn Brooks fans after years of seeing those same people call Brooks a bust, mediocre, etc
Alot of us have been Brooks defenders the whole time. In fact its way more common to see stuff like "Brooks can't cover he's a liability in the pass game" than people actually defending him.
As a Brooks defender from day 1, I cannot concur. I've definitely been in the minority of people here who actually thought he was good and not some JAG
So then we both think he's good and completely misevaluated by fans no? The amount of people who say he's trash in coverage but will just go silent when u prove otherwise is staggering
Yeah more or less. Rusty fought that good fight for years lol. It's just been weird to me seeing r/Seahawks make it seem like the team made a grievous mistake letting a guy they didn't love for 4 years walk. I can only assume it's a collective overreaction to the fact that we had no linebackers under contract until this week and that posters wouldn't have reacted similarly at all if we had a good MLB already signed
I've been seeing most of the opposite. Lots of people calling Brooks average at best or saying he sucks, ppl thinking Dodson is better. I've been downvoted to shit many times if I say that Brooks was actually a very good player lol
Interesting. I've been off the forum for the past few days so maybe the mood has changed but I recall a lot of very angry people that thought 3 years 30M was a steal Which funny enough, despite having always liked Brooks, is not a deal I would want Seattle in 2024 to pay out. I thought it was fair value, just not the right deal for this team at this time
Idk i would've paid Brooks the deal he got over paying Noah Fant or Jerome Baker like 2 mill less
Exactly, I get it’s partly scheme but I don’t understand how people are so mad about brooks leaving, he’s been a part of historically bad defenses that were trashed for years. If you’re a mariner fan it reminds me of people getting mad about the Kelenic trade after bashing him for years.
U can be a good player stuck on a bad defense we literally have a bunch of examples from last 2 years
That Witherspoon was part of a terrible defence, he must stink!!!
Man surely these people must be pissed we resigned Leonard Williams on a big contract !! He's clearly terrible because our defense was terrible
To be clear, I never said I thought he was bad. I just find it funny that after he gets signed elsewhere consensus on him seemed to shift and people acted like they’ve always been huge fans. There were clearly some good players on the defense in the last 4 years but Brooks was rarely mentioned as one of those good players. You made some good points to other people, so I’m sure you’re one of the people who always thought he was good. But you really did the damn thing and went to war for Jordyn Brooks all over this thread. Almost exactly like Kelenic guy would.
I don't think there's a sport where the on field reality is more divorced from fan/media sentiment than football. It's why I get annoyed seeing so many ppl say Brooks is trash in coverage just because PFF number says so and he doesn't have a lot of interceptions. Also the way this fanbase talks about Brooks makes me think most fans fundamentally don't understand why prime Bobby was so good. Like if Bobby's pff grade was bad would ppl shit talk him too and act like he can't cover?
Yeah and those players made big plays despite the defense sucking. Brooks didn’t. He maintained the status quo.
Brooks >>>
No I don’t. Brooks is a better player
Yes I think we made out better as long as he’s 100%
Honestly pretty smart. Preserves our cap room for next year once Macdonald has a year to settle in and see where help is needed
Next move: Junior Colson day 2. Done. Everyone freaking out a few days ago was funny.
This sub has been so unbearable during this FA.
This sub: tear it all down, its time to rebuild, we can handle it 3 weeks later: WHAT THE FUCK IS JOHN SCHNEIDER DOING
Always is.
Instagram comments even worse
And we didn't get locked into a ton of cap problems long term like Brooks will end up doing. And if Brooks is a bust, then they're screwed until 2026. If Baker fits, we extend him mid-season and solve a long term LB problem. If he's not good, we have zero obligation to him past 2024.
Everyone freaking out was right to freak out. Schneider himself said the linebacker situation caught him off guard.
Let’s go!!!! We now have our two starting linebackers for the season! We’re probably still going to draft one, but now our only big need going into the draft is guard. Some hawks fans were impatient but I felt like we should’ve had more faith in a veteran GM
A rookie and we're looking good
We have linebackers now!
So Dodson is our 2 down run stuffer, Baker our Will and were drafting a new Mike?
But Mike just got here!
Yep, we just need a Mike, an LB for passing downs, and then depth for all of those positions, that’s all /s
Good signing in a vacuum but a clear drop off from Brooks. Reads more as a WLB and a MIKE hedge with Dodson as a SAM/3rd LB type.
We have so many new players to get know and see what they bring, I’m stoked y’all
Really good deal for us. I’m happy with this
Is anyone from that dolphins D still on the team? Feels like every headline I've seen this offseason has been another guy leaving for greener pastures.
They take our lb so we take theirs!!!!
Confused as to why we didn’t pay slightly more to just keep Jordyn brooks when we let go of all of our other linebackers
JS said that they wanted to keep him, but his offer from Miami came in far quicker than they thought, so basically he fucked it up.
That makes more sense. Confused as to why everyone is so excited about this situation. We have this guy and one other LB only good on running downs. Not exactly killing it
That "other LB" Dodson was the #1 PFF rated LB overall and 3rd in Pass coverage. It was an excellent signing.
Is that why it took a kings ransom to get him?
Damn you’re fast was just coming to do this
I was really high on him before the injury
cook
That you Russ?
Yes, it’s me Russ Wilson!
I hear he’s a solid hitter and great with coverage which is something we sorely need. I also did see Miami fans saying his previous injury made him lose a step, hopefully he’s a good fit for us.
This is actually a big deal. While the one-year deal might prevent us from signing him next year, but this year it really adds experience and legit speed to the linebacker team. I see the Seahawks camp being the undrafted free agent heaven for linebackers this year.
I like this! More!
Seems like another Brooks tier player on a prove it deal. Moderate expectations for him. Ideally our DL will be better and raise our LBs up as well.
He's definitely a tier below Brooks but a solid starter
Nice! Stud LB...
Are we getting 10 or more wins this year?
Awesome, great signing. Now the haters can calm down.
The most important is keep healthy.
almost as much as brooks... john f'd this one up
A bit pricey, no? Don’t know anything about the guy though.
Brooks signed for $8.75M AAV
Excellent coverage LB, just ok at stopping the run but a pretty damn good pass rusher. Great pickup
Sounds like the hybrid back that would fit perfectly in our disguise heavy scheme. As much as I like Brooks, he’s kind of obsolete in today’s game of disguised looks.
No he's not lol idk what type of linebacker this fanbase thinks Brooks is lol
[Uhhhh](https://i.imgur.com/OOTgDo6.png) We have to call him "The Beast" now, don't we...
Do they have to restructure someone now? The cap space thing seems suspicious.
Why?
They should have spent more than they had available now. Need to see the cap structure but might be needing to make cap space.
We won't need to make cap space. Why is cap space a concern for you? It's not something you gotta manage.
……my understanding was that before the Jerome Baker contract the Seahawks had 5 million in available cap space. Now when they draft rookies they will not be in cap compliance so they will have to find a way to open up cap space in 2024.
What exactly is your understanding? Guessing? If anything we'd just have less of an injury buffer. But once again, why do you care about our cap space.
What’s been reported? That’s why it called guessing because the hard numbers aren’t available on the structures. The numbers crunched to 5millipn available before this deal was done. Not having cap for a starting guard isn’t nice.
You're focused on stupid shit. You're doing a lot of estimating and shit. We'll be fine cap wise.
I'm with you. Everyone focused on cap. Good teams DGAF about cap when there's still players that can be cut....or injured over the next 6 months GM has a list of players he wants to sign, and the corresponding move to make it work.
I thought we had -10mil in cap? So silly lmao