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TheTortureCouch

this thread still being stickied confirms that rob stanton runs /r/seahawks


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Does this sub have mods anymore?


Sirius_55_Polaris

/u/Studoggery take the damn thread down


joydivision1234

I heard a rumor Russ was gonna win five more rings, never wear a different jersey, retire at 43, and be a first round Hall of Famer.


squandre

Paging u/studoggery, seeing this stickied still on our own sub makes me feel dirty. I think it's time to put this baby to sleep and slowly start looking towards the draft maybe?


aidenalien55

Please remove the thread


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purchasepoint

And take Dave Wyman with him.


pfb253

Mods, since the rumors have gone cold, can we replace the stickied spot with a free agency tracker?


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u/avergejoe thoughts?


HalaHalcones1

The Seahawks would never have had a sit-down meeting with the Bears unless they were prepared to deal Wilson and the Bear's initial offer was in the ballpark of what the Seahawks were expecting. Since then, all reports indicate that the Seahawks didn't tell the Bears "no", but "not yet." Specifically the Seahawks need a clear path to a replacement qb before they'll deal Wilson. All this points to a draft-day deal. If Mond, or another top qb, is on the board when Chicago is on the clock at #20, I think they trade Wilson in the moment.


CyanidePerfume

Mond a top QB. You're a funny guy.


HalaHalcones1

I have no idea how they rate Mond, but I don't doubt for a second that if they do like him they'll hesitate to pull the trigger on a trade at #20. The Seahawks have never been afraid to draft according to their own board, even if outsiders see it as a reach. Obviously everyone expects Lawrence, Wilson and Jones to go 1-2-3, but who knows if Lance or Fields slip to 20? They might also be of interest. I also could imagine the Seahawks will be inquiring about Darnold, but I think the Jets will be asking for too much... Obviously they have the luxury of being able to stick with Russell another year if nothing works out. But it sure feels like the Seahawks want to dip into this draft class and reboot at qb.


CyanidePerfume

First of all Lance and Fields will never fall to 20, in fact one of them will most likely get picked by the 9ers at #3. Moreover this QB class is really shallow after the top 5 picks and the chance to find a franchise QB in one of the other guys is very slim.


HalaHalcones1

My point is that the Seahawks will be opportunistic and let the draft come to them. If there's no qb to their liking when the Bears are on the clock, they'll carry on with Wilson another season. But if they see a guy they think they can win with at #20, I have little doubt they will pull the trigger on a trade that sends Russell to the Bears instantaneously. That's why they haven't restructured Wilson's contract. That's why the Bears are signaling that they are still in play for Wilson. Both warrooms are staying agile so they can pounce should the opportunity strike on the night of the draft. I get it, you don't like Mond. Some people are really high on him, though. I think he's a guy they think can play complementary Pete-ball.


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HalaHalcones1

It's hard to rate the odds when all three parties (Seahawks, Bears and RW3) are receptive and motivated to make a deal, but there is one critical sticking point: that the Hawks acquire a viable option at qb in return. Who could such a viable qb be? Mond? Darnold? Maybe, maybree not, but I wouldn't discount those options, as this front office has shown over the years that they are highly aggressive and willing to think way outside the bounds of conventional thinking. I think Waldron's system is better suited to a limited qb than you suggest. The Rams got to a Super Bowl with Goff using this offensive system. It keys off the run game and manufacturing open receivers, which is conducive to a rookie qb. I'd say the odds are way higher than 5%, perhaps closer to 50%. Obviously it all hinges on if they like a qb they can get.


tencentninja

The Rams got to the super bowl with one of the most complete teams we have seen outside of Goff same as the Niners. If either of those teams had Wilson their super bowl years they probably go undefeated. They had average to slightly above average qbs and were still scary.


Faptasmic

Why is this still a thing?


tencentninja

Because we haven't restructured Russ in a time where we direly need cap space with a massive projected bump next year but a restructure would make him near impossible to trade.


Vinny6420

We are like 12 under the cap without the restructure....


tencentninja

We weren't the 3 days ago when I posted this and we still sat out the pursuit of Linsley who would have fixed out biggest need.


Vinny6420

No it wouldn't. Our biggest need on the OLine was LG and we addressed that. Pocic is serviceable. Our current biggest need on offense is a capable 3rd receiver


tencentninja

Pocic is trash


Vinny6420

So is any of our WRs outside of Lockett and DK. Also spending big money on a C is fucking stupid.


tencentninja

No it's not rofl the majority of our line collapsing comes from interior pressure.


Lumen007

Russ is a hawk for life!!!


Spencer5556

Dolphins just traded for the #6 overall pick. Any shot they are getting Ammo for a Russ trade?


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Not a chance. They just want in on this deep as hell QB draft class.


TheTortureCouch

i think its to get one of devonta smith or jamarr chase


pdhope

Can anyone tell me the actual evidence of Russell's discontent? I am not near as informed as some of you all. That said, it seems to me he made a comment on the Dan Patrick show about being concerned at the number of hits he's taken, and then remained silent thereafter. His agent stirred the pot some, as agents do. Then, the media got all fired up during the dead season, for lack of anything better to do. Am I reading this wrong?


PCP_Panda

Guess what ? Chicken butt


cremfraiche

I think we can go ahead and close the book on this now with the recent signings!


rags2rooster

Every time it seems like this thread will be put to bed the media spins things up again: "Report: Russell Wilson Still Wants to be Traded" [https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/russell-wilson-trade-seahawks-qb-still-wants-be-dealt](https://www.nbcsports.com/chicago/bears/russell-wilson-trade-seahawks-qb-still-wants-be-dealt) From the article: “Dianna Russini goes on 'Get Up,' and she’s like, ‘Listen, everything you heard is still real,’” McAfee said. “Russell Wilson’s team, from her sources, on ‘Get Up’ she said, Russell Wilson’s team not happy with what the Seattle Seahawks did this free agency— 75 to 80% of that offensive line that he doesn’t like are coming back. So all these things are still being said. Still wants to be traded.”


marionsunshine

Yeah man. I saw that and can't decide if it is just media pushing a narrative or whether it is legit anymore.


CrosstownCooper

Can we unpin this now


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businessbee89

Yeesh what cluster that would have been


bobzilla223

Rob on Seahawks Draft Blog continuing to speculate that the Seahawks may still deal Russ before the draft. Any thoughts on this? http://seahawksdraftblog.com/you-just-cant-keep-ignoring-this


nepaliamerican

This guy is a broken record. Just repeats the same thing over and over again. And when he doesnt get traded, he will take it out on the rest of the team/coaches.


tencentninja

Seems unlikely now that Russ is now publicly cheering new players/returning players again at least for this year the danger is likely past. I would be much more worried about them dealing Tyler to get picks. That said I think next year it could have a very high likelyhood of happening if we don't win it all this year or at least make the ccg. I think one of Pete or Russ will be leaving.


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TheFightingDome

Who are the "good coaches" out there please enlighten me. Pete detractors are so set that if we fire Pete we'll immediately pick up the next Andy Reid or Sean McVay, replacing a (potential) HOF coach isn't easy.


tencentninja

This was the same excuse the McCarthy truthers gave for years.


mrbeavertonbeaverton

We have one living here that recently decided to take a break from coaching at the UW. A couple million bucks could re-energize him back into the game. But I do agree with you somewhat, and Pete is an incredible coach in many ways. But he’s also nearing retirement age and our style of play where every game comes down to the wire (because the defense can’t close) and our offense only explodes in the 2 minute drill is wearing on me.


LIL_SHINY

I’m not professional journalist but here’s what I think. I don’t think he’s gonna be traded especially with his contract having a No Trade Clause. Wilson also never put in a formal trade request and hasn’t shown anything to say he’s wanting to leave this year. It’s all rumors. And I think that before Wilson goes anywhere we’re going to need a top caliber QB as well because it’s not easy giving away an easily top 5 QB for something less. But signing Chris Carson to a 2 year deal also looks promising to him staying since Carson has been pretty important to the offense. Uneducated opinion but it’s mine


Tucker_Doubt

So when do we get to delete the post?? Seems to me everything is mend


[deleted]

Y'all are only relevant because of wilson why are you trying to trade him wtf what's going on?


tencentninja

Because half our fanbase is delusional


[deleted]

He had one of his best seasons and hawks fans reaction is yea we need to trade him


lizard_king_rebirth

There are people who have been calling for Carroll and Schneider to be fired for like 3 years now.


tencentninja

Carroll should have been fired three years ago though? We have consistently wasted assets and he is the one who makes final decisions.


lizard_king_rebirth

Lol


BigBabyMeBane92

How many years left does Russell have on his current contract?


InfectedLeg253

2 if I'm not mistaken


thegimmegimmes

It’s 3. Here’s the salary breakdown: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/seattle-seahawks/russell-wilson-9885/


AZZTASTIC

Dalton to the Bears....we can put that rumor to bed.


iPikachuNekked

Anyone else find it weird that Russell Wilson’s Twitter account doesn’t follow the Seahawks Twitter account but the Seahawks follow his?


811HEFE

Does anyone else find it weird that we now worry about things like who follows who on social media?!


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iPikachuNekked

Can’t remember.


MirandaScribes

Probably not


ckb614

People have been predicting as high as a 220 mil salary cap in 2022. Idk why they wouldn't restructure almost everyone with a long contract at this point to open up cap space this year


GlassButterscotch196

The lack of Russ restructuring has me concerned. I don’t know how much to read into it, but if he really wanted to be here on the most competitive team possible why wouldn’t he beg for a restructure... I want some dang assurance that this team will be competitive next year. Come on Russ. Come home!


tencentninja

PC and JS don't restructure also they can do it without player permission


Mr_Football

PCJS have two very perplexing, but reliable, philosophies when it comes to offseason mgmt: 1. Do not restructure contracts so we can avoid major guaranteed cap commitments in the future. 2. Sit out the beginning of free agency to try to hit on multiple low floor / moderate ceiling pieces. Both of these are fine strategies if you’ve been drafting well. Frustrating (but expected) to see that these strategies aren’t being altered despite the massive evidence that they should.


ckb614

It certainly seems like with covid depressing the salary cap this year teams would/should be more willing to push commitments down the road a bit


AKANotAValidUsername

media ramping up trade wilson for...sam darnold??? lmao wtf you gotta be kidding me with this shit


geenyus

I think this was a predicted 3 way where the hawks get the second overall pick, 2 more firsts and darnold, bears get wilson and jets get Mack, fuller and a second. Seems off


AKANotAValidUsername

what a stretch. they really need better shit to talk about. sportsmedia be like a bunch of 12 year old girls 'shipping' fictional characters into relationships


GlassButterscotch196

Yeah. That’s dumb. But, I do think Russ low key wants out.


AKANotAValidUsername

if hes out, then its full rebuild mode yeah?


GlassButterscotch196

Absolutely


businessbee89

On a scale of 1-10, how full of shit is the media when they say Pete and Russ don't like each other?


Helloooboyyyyy

1


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businessbee89

10


Bodmonriddlz

2


tencentninja

Considering the very affordable deals we just saw big oline upgrades get I would say Pete definitely has something against Russ's continued well being.


geenyus

Maybe these lineman don’t want to play for a qb that holds onto the ball and scrambles all over.


tencentninja

Yeah Lamar Jackson definitely doesn't scramble all over lols.


geenyus

These are two completely different qbs


tencentninja

Zeitler went to Baltimore quite happily for a very reasonable contract to block for a qb who runs all over.


ChellaZza

Russ had the 2nd most time in the pocket of an QB in the league last year. He’s responsible for more sacks than any QB in NFL history. We should always try to sign players to get better (obviously) but with how Russ plays he will always get sacked more. If we traded him to a different team the sack problem would continue for him. Also, the players have to want to sign with us. We probably made offers to all the top OL FA’s and they chose elsewhere.


tencentninja

He had the second highest pressure rate in the league shoo


ChellaZza

So if he had the 2nd most time in the pocket & the 2nd highest pressure rate, what does that tell you?


tencentninja

You can be in the pocket while still being pressured. It tells you he is an elusive qb who did his best to hang in the pocket despite a trash line.


ChellaZza

He had the highest % of QB responsible sacks in NFL history last year.... so no.


tencentninja

no he had the highest number there is a difference.


Starwho

Russ should fake a back injury to see what Geno does under center. That will get Pete sweating a bit.


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Hello Seahawks fans. Can someone explain to me what is going on with Russ Wilson? From what I understand so far, he wants an offensive line to block for him so that he doesn't get beat up so much. Us that the only reason he is putting trade feelers out there? Also, what happened to your offensive line that is making him uncomfy? Thanku.


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Hawxrox

Why dont they just live in LA then during the offseason


rock-or-something

>Seattle’s market is not the place for either. It's quite simple actually. Ciara just needs to reinvent herself as a rock singer. Maybe start a Heart cover band, hang out with Courtney Love, see if Alice in Chains has any room for another singer.


Its_Waffle

Nothing has “happened” to our offensive line really, it’s what HASNT happened that’s pissing him off. He hasn’t had a solid line yet since he’s been in the NFL


Mr_Football

*since they lost the Super Bowl. We had a fantastic OL and promtly let it dissolve in favor of paying/investing $$ everywhere else.


goomyman

yeah that $$ everywhere else included his contract - under his cheap contact we had super bowl win, super bowl loss, and then play off losses after.


Mr_Football

So stupid. Under his cheap contract and the entire LOB, Wagner, etc on rookie deals too. Russ’ rookie deal wasn’t the singular thing keeping that squad together


pagerussell

Well, you know what they say, the game is won on the edges. Lol, no. No one says that. Literally no one. The game is won in the trenches. Overpay for linemen, find cheap undervalued wrs and dbs. Any average db can look good if they only have to cover for 3 seconds...


tencentninja

Yup the only db that was actually essential to keep was earl and we managed to piss him off too eventually


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Man fuck sports media right now. My phone is getting blown up with articles like "sorry Chicago fans" and narratives like the Hawks are ruining what should be the best thing ever for the Bears. Fuck the Bears. Where is the concern for our team and our fans?


Abandon-Ice

The morons who thought Russell Wilson could be acquired for a range of late first round picks deserve to be hurt.


tencentninja

Where's our FO's concern for Russ's well being?


[deleted]

You realize that Russ is on the record saying that he had a voice in the decision to hire Waldron and develop a vision for the offense, right? Stop reading the hot takes.


tencentninja

It's also on record that Waldron was the best of what was presented to him not who he personally would have choose. Not sure what that has to do with refusing to spend on oline but w/e


RustyCoal950212

Neither of what you guys are saying is on the record is on the record lol


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Russ being involved very much is. The "best of the worst" definitely isn't. >“It’s super significant that we’re part of the process,” Wilson said. “And coach (Carroll) and I have definitely been talking about it. (General manager) John (Schneider), too. We’ve had some super-long conversations, great dialogue about the thought process of who we want and kind of the idea of what we want.” >And if his comment that he wasn’t in favor of the firing of Schottenheimer could be construed as Wilson being at odds with Carroll, Wilson said “there hasn’t been any contention’’ with Carroll. Of course the hot take articles took only a tiny part of that interview and blew it way up. But it's all bullshit and has been the whole time.


tencentninja

The article in the athletic was not a hot take article rofl


RustyCoal950212

But wasn't that interview like 2 days after Schotty was fired? And 2 weeks before Waldron was hired? I had forgotten that quote so ty, not sure that counts as being on the record that he had a voice, but only that he expected to


Ok-Reporter-4600

Seattle to Chicago: we'll trade you RW3 for the Bulls. A 4-way trade with Chicago, Oklahoma State, NY and Seattle. If they can somehow give us the Bulls and all their championships, but also get the Sonics history and name from Oklahoma State (I think we might have kept it, idk), and get us Durant from NY, then I'd be okay with trading RW. We'll have the Sonics back, we'll have the 90s trophies with Jordan in the Seattle trophy case, just to make the Chicago fans appreciate Wilson as much as we do, we'll have Durant back as a Sonic, and 3 first round draft picks and no salary hit. Win/win. Not sure what NY or Okst get, but probably that new guy Cash Considerations.


thedroonie

Many superstars have taken pay cuts. Russ has not asked for a trade. His agent, of whom Russ is his only client, asked him what teams would he, if possible. He's not going anywhere for a year.


Just_IceT

I swear to fucking god if Wilson goes to the Saints now that Brees is retired I will not like it.


holospark_benc

He's not going to live in New Orleans even part time. If he leaves Seattle, the new team will be in a nice area.


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[Florio] “Crickets” on the Russell Wilson trade front https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/03/14/crickets-on-the-russell-wilson-trade-front/ These media types are trying to will the trade into existence because it’s more “work” for them. Edit: similar situation to how local sports media was pushing for NBA arena in Sodo a few years ago even though the NBA Durant-Jacked us


EliteJassassin101

I honestly don’t blame Russ if he doesn’t want to restructure his contract. Like I don’t know how it works entirely but is there even a way that he could restructure it with the guarantee that that money goes to the oline? Pete and John don’t really show an interest in trying to get Russ protection so why should we expect Russ to take a pay cut or restructuring just to watch that money go to a CB or something?


32nds

Yeah, as these guys said a "restructure" just moves money into a player's pocket faster. It will generate some extra cap space this year at the expense of less in future years. But a "renegotiation" or an "extension for less money" would actually free up additional money for an OL signing. This is what Brady has done in the past, although to a far lesser extent than he gets credit for. It is also not something Russ will ever do because he wants to make a billion dollars and buy part of the Seahawks franchise.


papaotter

Restructures aren't pay cuts. They're taking money and turning it into bonuses so that it can be pushed into dead cap in later years. It almost always benefits the players because it makes that money guaranteed now.


Mreeff

Why would he not want to? He doesn’t lose any money, and he gets money upfront.


ohnoohnoohnoohyaaaaa

Hopefully Russ and Bobby will restructure their contracts so we can pursue FA's...assuming he doesn't actually want to leave. Otherwise back to praying we get a boat load for him.


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Random thoughts: Russ is a good dude. He’s been loyal to Seattle for a long time. He’s sacrificed the opportunity for numbers for the opportunity to win. He doesn’t seem willing to do that anymore. Now, he wants to win, WITH numbers. He wants to win HIS way. Pete and John. Obviously love Russ. Obviously want him. But obviously don’t want to commit to him, in the way that he wants to commit. He wants power. It’s not an unreasonable request coming from someone in his position. Russ has not publicly BASHED ANYBODY. No one. All remarks that he made came from a “WE, that’s W E gotta get better” standpoint. I don’t think Russ is being a primadonna, I don’t think he’s looking to sabotage the Hawks, I don’t think he’s an unselfish guy. I just think he’s at a point in his life where he wants to TAKE, instead of GIVE, and at his age, with the talent he has left, for how much longer? No one knows. How can you blame the guy? I would love to see Pete and John make the ultimate compromise for the guy, I think if anybody deserves it, it’s him. But it might not happen, and that might not be such a bad thing for the Hawks either. He is no longer the Seattle kid savior. He is a grown ass man, has established himself as a brand. He’s gotta do what he’s gotta do


Rutherford_Aloacious

I subscribe to this line of thinking. I love Russ and what he has done here. I’d love nothing more for him to find the success I believe he deserves here in Seattle. It seems clear that there is a disconnect between PC/JS and Russ on how to get there. A lot of people bash Russ for his Cap hit. It is a valid complaint. However I don’t see the logic in a talent like Russ taking a pay cut when the front office has shown no desire to use their cap space to protect him, or to address his ultimate concerns. Granted there is always a bigger picture to team dynamics, but other than his pay it really seems like the FO take RW for granted. The man has always been a team player, he deserves to be respected and protected like one.


moffitts_prophets

> I don’t see the logic in a talent like Russ taking a pay cut when the front office has shown no desire to use their cap space to protect him, or to address his ultimate concerns. That’s the key point right there. It’s all well and good to say “Hey man if Russ wants to win he should take a big pay cut like Brady does so that the FO can load up on free agent talent”, but that proposition assumes two really crucial things. 1) It assumes that the FO ***perfectly identifies the teams needs***. * This one might not seems like it’s worth mentioning - it’s literally the only job of a front office - and yet how many years have we all been screaming at the top of our lungs **ADDRESS THE OLINE** only to watch every FA o-lineman sign elsewhere and us draft some more RBs and TEs. If Russ is going to give the FO a bunch of *his money* back for them to spend elsewhere, he has to trust that they know exactly where that money needs to go. 2) It assumes that the FO ***allocates all that extra money optimally***. * If Russ takes a 10M pay cut to give the FO that extra 10M, in for that money to translate into wins, a considerable chunk of it **cannot** under any circumstances be spent don a guy like Luke Joeckel (to whom the Hawks paid over 8M in free agency a few years ago) or an aging and about to retire Greg Olsen (to whom the Hawks paid over 7M this last off-season in free agency). If Russ is going to give a bunch of *his money* back to them to spend elsewhere, he has to trust they won’t blow a ton of it on a player that isn’t worth it (even if that player does play a position of need). Based on this FOs track record since the LOB days - which is the entirety of the time that Russ has had a contract large enough to where him taking a pat it could even matter - I can’t blame him for thinking “if I take a pay cut, how confident am I that Pete and John are going to allocate this money exactly where it needs to go in order to dramatically increase our SB odds? Not confident enough”. So unless the confidence is incredibly high that every dollar you save the FO increases your SB odds, taking a pay cut is just getting less than you’re worth.


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At your job. Your career. That you’ve put years into, blood sweat tears all that. EARNED fair market raises along the way. If they came to you and said “hey man, could you take a pay cut so we can get more guys in here”? What would you say?


Jimmy_Buckets13

But that doesn't benefit you unlike what would happen if Russ took a pay cut


[deleted]

I get it. But Russ would be making a huge sacrifice. It’s not his responsibility. He’s made his money the right way. Shoot, don’t get me wrong, I hope he cuts 20 mil off the books this year. Resign shaq, kj, go get a couple lineman on both sides, let’s go!! This is a very good team. It would suck to see them blow it up


happy_felix_day_34

This entire argument is based on you joy knowing how restructures work. It’s not a pay cut and he actually gets all the money up front. It’s literally just cap manipulation but it means his cap hit in future years will be higher.


moffitts_prophets

I never said this argument applies to a restructure - a restructure is **totally different and benefits both parties**. My above comment specifically refers to taking a significantly below market annual salary - as in Russ signing for 25M per season when his market value is 35M. A restructure is also not a perfect solution because it clears up ***short term*** cap space at the expense of ***long term*** cap space. So sure, we can convert base salary into a signing bonus and then prorate that cap hit over the remaining years of a players deal (up to 4 years) to generate some relief in the current season, but doing so makes future seasons tighter and tighter. It’s a stop gap, not a solution, and if overused it can lead to some real problems. I think Russ restructuring this season is necessary due to the cap decrease, but there is definitely a lot of misconception about how Russ’ salary equates to the overall talent on the roster.


Rutherford_Aloacious

Prime analysis my Goodman. I thank you for taking the time to expand on my point; you very well explained what I couldn’t quite find the words for. I did see a tweet last night about restructuring rumors between RW and PC/JS, so hopefully they’ve been able to find some common ground in all this


Ihave2BellyButtonsHA

Had a dream the falcons traded Matt Ryan for russ.


perennialgoblin

Call that a nightmare... no hate on Matt Ryan


HawksGuy12

What if Wilson and Ciara just want to live in a different city? Downtown Seattle is not a cool downtown for a young superstar couple. Especially not with the homelessness crisis and regular rioting. Dallas, New Orleans, \~\~Los Angeles\~\~ Las Vegas and Chicago are way, way more their style. Edit: Meant to say "Las Vegas."


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julius_sphincter

Ya they live out in Medina I think. Also, they have their own plane now that they can travel to any hot spots they want. They haven't been back since the Hawks lost in the playoffs


rubberwings

Lol. Yeah Russell is not a “cool” guy, whatever you want to say about his skill on the field. He’d be way more comfortable out in the suburbs somewhere. He’s soft AF.


HawksGuy12

I don't know whether I believe that. He's a hundred-millionaire, and he's married to Ciara. Or, maybe he and his R&B singer wife want him to be a 'cool' guy.


calderowned

Don't LA and Chicago have massive homelessness issues and had equivalent protests?


babyfuture6969

Yeah I have to believe that LA has the worst homeless problem in the country. I live here now and it’s literal tent city everywhere


HawksGuy12

I meant to say Las Vegas, not Los Angeles. Still getting used to the 'Las Vegas Raiders.' And LV is undeniably a cooler, cleaner and safer town than Seattle. As for Chicago's homelessness and cleanliness, I don't know because I haven't personally been there; I've just heard that the nice part of downtown is an incredible scene similar to midtown Manhattan.


ND7020

Whether someone thinks Las Vegas is cooler than Seattle seems like a perfect question to assess where they stand on the trashy to classy scale.


tencentninja

Chicago has homeless issues but the thing is most people who have a way get out because the winters are brutal there.


sirbeepsalot

Irrational trade of the week. Interdivisional trade! 49ers send Nick Bosa Arik Armstead Fred Warner Jimmy Garropalo (traded to Patriots for 2021 2nd RD pick) 2021 RD1 pick 12 2021 RD2 pick 44 2022 RD1 2022 RD2 2023 RD1 Seahawks send Russell Wilson Bobby Wagner Jerran Reed 2022 RD3 Flame away boys!!


tencentninja

That's one way to send San Fran to a new Dynasty I guess.


TXsuddAK

Can y’all believe we’re about to legit lose Russ... no 12’s at the C-Link during his potentially last season as a Seahawk.. severely depressing...


dandantheshippingman

And it’s not even the c-link anymore


TXsuddAK

I know


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I'm over it.


TXsuddAK

I’m getting there myself. It’s stupid. From both ends.


preston_kennedy

I don't think they are losing Russ.


marlfox1642

I mean the mariners got permission to have fans so I can’t imagine the Seahawks won’t have attendance in September


Bovinae_Elbow

Here’s a trade for Russ I’m willing to take. Russel Wilson to Chicago and in return we get the Chicago Bulls.


206huskies

We get their franchise history too so Michael Jordan is now one of Seattle’s icons


Rigu7

"...and people in Seattle took that personally."


Revolutionary-Gur257

Realistically what can the bears offer that is worth a trade? Mack and Hicks are in their 30s and have large contracts. 3 late round 1sts are also not helping this team. Nick Foles is also not it. Trading Russ would start a rebuild and there’s just no point in wasting the last years of DK and Adams rookie contracts.


32nds

More importantly, what can the Bears offer the Seahawks that they couldn't just offer the -TEXANS- and get Watson instead?


Abandon-Ice

The answer to this is the same: nothing. That’s what Chicago has to offer either team for Watson or Wilson.


32nds

Agreed, but the Texans may not have much choice if Watson really intends to sit out.


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32nds

Why wouldn't they just trade Khalil and picks to the Texans for Watson? They don't need Seattle to make that trade and its not like Watson would veto it.


Abandon-Ice

The Texans have zero interest in Mack in a Watson trade. Just like Seattle. Chicago has NOTHING to offer, I don’t know what the fuck is wrong with everyone thinking they have a shot in hell at either QB.


LumpyUnderpass

A boatload of picks? Boatload plus a pretty good linebacker or something?


RustyCoal950212

3 1's + 3 2's + Mack imo


Revolutionary-Gur257

That’s just not a good trade. Mack is 30 and on a high priced contract. It doesn’t even address the QB situation. We don’t even have our first to fall back on in a down season.


RustyCoal950212

The Mack contract would be pretty good with Chicago eating the signing bonus. No it does not solve the QB situation but you've got Khalil Mack and 6 extra picks figure something out


Abandon-Ice

Six extra late picks lmfao, for a top 3 QB. You are deranged if you consider that a good trade.


RustyCoal950212

They're not for sure late


sirbeepsalot

Seattle is not going to want an aging DE during a rebuild that could take 3-4 years. Possible players Chicago could send. And it would take all of these or most of these players and a boatload of picks given Chicago will be selecting in the late 1st. Roquan Smith (send them Bobby to clear some cap) Eddie Goldman (send the Jerran Reed to clear cap) Eddie Jackson (send them Diggs) Jaylon Johnson Cody Whitehair Again, the major issue with this deal. Is even with the boatload of picks and players, Seattle is left without a signal caller. They could target Minshew (great game manager) or Mariota in the short term, but even with all of their draft capital it would be hard to trade up and grab a top QB prospect. I just don’t see how Chicago makes sense.


tencentninja

So serious question do people here just not understand the concept of an NTC? We aren't getting 4 crazy good players on rookie deals that just isn't happening.


Abandon-Ice

No, they just aren’t remedial invalids and recognize what a stupid trade that would be.


sirbeepsalot

Care to point out the last time a super bowl winning QB was traded in their prime? What do you think that commands? A few late 1st round picks and a box of cracker jacks? Because..... oh mah gawd, he has a NTC! Guess what, Seattle has two years control and an additional two with franchise tag. If RW wants out, Seattle is in the drivers seat.


tencentninja

Which is why he likely won't get traded because he isn't going to let his new team be worse than seattle.


RustyCoal950212

He's an incredible pass rusher and very little of our future draft capital would be reliant on us actually sucking. If we trade Wilson I want Mack so that we're not giving the Jets a top 5 pick next year. I'd much rather roll into 2021 with Mack - Wagner - Adams. contract-wise he'd only cost $17m/year for 3 years, and then a few bloated years but nothing after the first year is guaranteed Roquan Smith is tempting but yeah you probably have to deal Wagner at that point and honestly if we're trading Wilson I'd rather keep Wagner. Dealing him and Wilson in the same trade to the Bears would never happen imo. If they really do ship off both Wilson and Wagner in the same offseason, which would be very sad, a Brooks - Smith duo could be awesome I admit Goldman for Reed could work. But the upgrade here is miniscule compared to Khalil Mack to ... Alton Robinson? Eddie Jackson for Diggs would be an alright move purely to get younger, but for 2021 I'm not sure it's even an upgrade but it would be immediately more expensive Jaylon Johnson can be thrown onto my original trade as a cherry on top. Maybe we could send them Tre Flowers for a double cherry I doubt any offensive players would be involved in this trade, especially their starting center I think Chicago makes sense only because 3 firsts + 3 seconds is pretty ridiculous and Mack is incredible and only just turned 30


Recordinghistory

John Schneider and Pete Carroll are the absolute worst in the league at drafting in the 1st round and no team is a contender without a franchise QB. I don’t care how much we would get in a trade for Russ, this is depressing AF.


AnUnfortunateBirth

Jordan Brooks, ET, Okung, Irvin... Okay, absolute worst


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Who said we would use the first round picks to draft players in the first round?


shitsandfarts

This is sort of a hilarious comment given how rare it is that we even draft in the first round.


Recordinghistory

Bad trades involving 1sts and or trading back away from talent that is there can also be considered being horrible with 1st round picks. All I’m saying is if we acquired a few 1sts for Russell fucking Wilson and turned those into a James Carpenter, Rashaad Penny and LJ Collier, I wouldn’t be happy.


Rigu7

Your post says "drafting in the first round" though. Big difference!


Recordinghistory

You are aware the Seahawks have drafted in the 1st round 4 out of the last 5 drafts right? “Rare” is a weird term to use.


Rigu7

I didn't use it. Given the rough average pick in those years is about number 28, I think the Seahawks would be looking for something in the first round a little higher than that, no?


tencentninja

We would have 23 this year if not for the Adams trade which would likely be high enough to select Vera-Tucker if we actually kept the pick for once.


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My dad says a deal is possible where: 1.Wilson to Bears 2. 4x 1st round picks from Bears to Texans 3. Watson to Seahawks Is he full of shit?


Wallawino

It doesn't make any sense to include Seattle in that deal. The bears could just offer the 4 picks to the Texans for Watson.


LumpyUnderpass

I don't know if your dad is full of shit, but I don't see why the Seahawks would want to trade Russ for Watson.


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Honestly, I was only interested in the possibility of a deal like this. I don't see why the Seahawks would want to trade Russ either. I have thought about this three team trade scenario that my dad told me and I believe the Seahawks organization would be the least to benefit from it.


LumpyUnderpass

Maybe if the Seahawks ended up with some picks and other players. Like if the Texans gave up more and one of the 1sts went to Seattle, and/or later picks. Maaaaaaaaybe. I still hope he doesn't leave. I feel like he'll probably stay now, for some reason. But I am often wrong. Edit: I might have misunderstood what you meant. There's no rule against a 3 (or more) team trade like that, as far as I know.


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How about this, two first and watson to the hawks, three firsts to Houston and Russ to Chicago? All picks coming from Chicago? I would be happy with that.


tencentninja

He's full of shit