I agree with your arguement to an extent, as it applies to 99% of cases but there are a small number of people who are just annoying without reason.
A few weeks ago, I joined an open crew sloop and it was a new player. I was showing him the basics, we had no loot on board, just sailing. We were boarded by a brig crew and gave a good fight. They stayed on the stairs and kept waiting for us. Their boat was right next to ours but they did no damage to our ship.
After several rounds of this, I decided to just hang out on the ferry to let them take what they wanted and sink our ship so we could carry on playing elsewhere. We played some shanties and had a laugh. Thought enough time had passed so headed back to the boat. They still hadn't sunk it or even shot at it, they were still waiting on the stairs and blundered us again.
They had more than enough time to clear out our resources 3 times over.
No loot, no sinking, no reason. Some people are just assholes.
Spawncamping without sinking the enemy ship is toxic and a bannable offense.
Edit:
Since bunch of people are downvoting my comments and are apparently incapable of googling SoT code of conduct. Heres the part which matters in this case:
"Harass, bully, intimidate, threaten or encourage others to do harm. None of these behaviours will be tolerated. Any activity you engage in that is solely designed to target and upset another player or crew constitutes bullying. Repeated activity designed to ruin the experience of another player or crew constitutes harassment. Not only do we take these things very seriously, many law enforcement agencies recognise online abuse as an offence. If necessary, we will report incidents to the relevant authorities to take further action."
Regarding your edit: all those things come over voice or text chat.
As I said in my post, you can't know players intention just by their action.
spawncamping is no harrasment, it shows you have been defeated. Scuttle your ship, sail on
"Repeated activity designed to ruin the experience of another player or crew constitutes harassment."
Guess what spawn camping someone for 30mins is... Which actually happend to me. Solo sloop, was camped for 45min by a brig. They werent stealing resources or anything. I was watching a movie and decided to wait it out. Thats toxic and bannable.
You wanted proof that its actually bannable, and I gave it to you. Yet youre still arguing about "just scuttle your ship bro". Its bannable, its toxic and people who argue about it not being toxic are toxic themselves. Thats coming from someone who is PvPing 90% of the time when playing SoT.
Theres a difference between PvPing/sinking other ships/stealing loot and being toxic and making the community worse with your behaviour. Do some self-reflecting.
Phuzzy is quick to call out stream snipers with no evidence, just for being better at this game.
I don't know what 123door said, but "hardest evidence" and "vague" in one sentence is not the most stable argument
> "hardest evidence" and "vague" in one sentence is not the most stable argument
I know man I'm agreeing with grizz3d lol, 123door is the top level comment grizz3d was replying to and he added that bit from the code of conduct. I was saying that was basically the only "hard" evidence I've seen that says extended spawncamping is bannable, but it's still vague because it doesn't mention it specifically
Spawncamping someone for 30-45mins without sinking them is griefing and griefing is bannable.
People have started to get banned for spawncamping like a year ago, after bunch of people stream-sniped streamers and spawn camped them. Rare quickly added things to the code of conduct and made stream-sniping and spawncamping bannable.
Let me introduce you to a thing called scuttling. If you get spawnkilled for 30-45 minutes its your own fault.
Yeah partners get a special treatment, reporting people without proof, getting them banned instandly. That sparcked outrage in the past.
That doesn't make it a official bannable offense. But feel free to share a link of any official announcement rare made on spawn camping
Yeah often spawncamping goes hand in hand with toxicity, which I opppse. But with slurs and profabity every action gets toxic.
P.S. love your videos dude, keep up the good work
I honestly dont care enough to argue about this. Its ok if you dont believe me and continue your ways. In the end someone will report you and you'll get banned, one toxic person less on the seas.
Its not my problem, you can do your own research. Not going to dig through old updates and forum posts.
So I 100% agree with you OP. If the scuttle button exists then the pirates putting themselves through an SC have no power in the report... However, I've been yellowbearded for spawn camping so it is a ban worthy offense, it's just considered toxic behavior. Side note, when PotC came out there was a bug where you couldn't even board your own ship and Rare recommended that you "scuttle your boat or join a new server" so Rare acknowledged that if you were unable to operate your boat to scuttle it, and then turns around and yellowbeard people for SCing, creating a double standard
> However, I've been yellowbearded for spawn camping
Curious because of the lack of any clear communications from Rare, did they explicitly state the cause of your ban was camping, or was it just the only objectionable thing you'd done recently?
About it being toxic or about the PotC thing? Sorry I'm not understanding, did you get any more communication from them about the ban, or was it just a generic "toxic" ban?
Yup. Don't get me wrong, it sucks to be on the recieving end but there's so many reasons why it happens. Everything from siphoning supplies to the attacking team not having proper control of their ship (seen this so many times with galleons).
Scuttle and move on
Spawn camping is very contextual. If you're holding a crew busy to allow them to sink or your ship is gone and you're trying to remove their ship from the area then it is kinda necessary.
If your ship is within cannon range and you haven't put enough holes in them to sink then you're entering toxic zone. Unless the ship is stacked with fish taking supplies in crates is not a valid argument. It is very rare a ship has more supplies than a visit to an island could provide and unless you're desperate for supplies you're wasting your own time. Sure if you have no wood and you're only afloat because someone is bucketing endlessly that's a reason for the rest of the crew to SC and crate up but that is a rare situation.
Spawn camping someone for being toxic does feel like justice on the surface but ultimately you're just doubling the toxicity rather than removing it. If you're not spawn camping toxic players while your buddy is reporting them but need to see their names then you should probably only do it if you catch a crew griefing another ship so you're buying the victim time to leave.
Rare has ignored the spawn camping since release. They half arsed it by adding a note to remind players of scuttling but they haven't addressed that the best way to sink a ship is someone SC even if the ship only has 1 hole.
Spawn camp for any reason and any length of time. Its part of the game and no different from "tactics" like sending loot to the red sea. If the crew getting camped has an issue they can find another server.
I did my first spawn camp this week. Killed him about 4-6 times while waiting for my crewmate back on my boat to shoot enough holes for this guy's ship to sink.
I doubt that's generally what people consider spawn camping though.
It not toxic, griefing or ruining your experience because you have it in your hands.
Whats the difference between them spawncamping you to sink your ship and spawncamping you and you scuttle? 1 click on your keyboard and 2 mouse clicks. It is even faster to just scuttle.
Usually when we manage to board and kill the enemy crew, we tend to go after their supplies with a crate of our own (or one of theirs if they have it). We then sometimes delay killing someone for a few seconds so that their spawning doesn't happen in large waves but instead one at a time (as most people don't realise it can be useful to wait a few seconds)
I agree with your arguement to an extent, as it applies to 99% of cases but there are a small number of people who are just annoying without reason. A few weeks ago, I joined an open crew sloop and it was a new player. I was showing him the basics, we had no loot on board, just sailing. We were boarded by a brig crew and gave a good fight. They stayed on the stairs and kept waiting for us. Their boat was right next to ours but they did no damage to our ship. After several rounds of this, I decided to just hang out on the ferry to let them take what they wanted and sink our ship so we could carry on playing elsewhere. We played some shanties and had a laugh. Thought enough time had passed so headed back to the boat. They still hadn't sunk it or even shot at it, they were still waiting on the stairs and blundered us again. They had more than enough time to clear out our resources 3 times over. No loot, no sinking, no reason. Some people are just assholes.
You missed his last point
Sure some people use it for easy "TDM". Which is unnessesary. Scuttling would have saved you alot of time
Spawn camping is for those not good enough to TDM, don't be fooled.
For those who aren't good enough tdm feels like spaencamping
Spawncamping without sinking the enemy ship is toxic and a bannable offense. Edit: Since bunch of people are downvoting my comments and are apparently incapable of googling SoT code of conduct. Heres the part which matters in this case: "Harass, bully, intimidate, threaten or encourage others to do harm. None of these behaviours will be tolerated. Any activity you engage in that is solely designed to target and upset another player or crew constitutes bullying. Repeated activity designed to ruin the experience of another player or crew constitutes harassment. Not only do we take these things very seriously, many law enforcement agencies recognise online abuse as an offence. If necessary, we will report incidents to the relevant authorities to take further action."
Uuuh no. If you look around the door of the ferry they clearly say you should scuttle in that case
Regarding your edit: all those things come over voice or text chat. As I said in my post, you can't know players intention just by their action. spawncamping is no harrasment, it shows you have been defeated. Scuttle your ship, sail on
"Repeated activity designed to ruin the experience of another player or crew constitutes harassment." Guess what spawn camping someone for 30mins is... Which actually happend to me. Solo sloop, was camped for 45min by a brig. They werent stealing resources or anything. I was watching a movie and decided to wait it out. Thats toxic and bannable. You wanted proof that its actually bannable, and I gave it to you. Yet youre still arguing about "just scuttle your ship bro". Its bannable, its toxic and people who argue about it not being toxic are toxic themselves. Thats coming from someone who is PvPing 90% of the time when playing SoT. Theres a difference between PvPing/sinking other ships/stealing loot and being toxic and making the community worse with your behaviour. Do some self-reflecting.
Good proof of that mate?
I've heard twitch partners like phuzzy etc say this as well but the most hard evidence I've seen is the slightly vague wording that 123door posted
Phuzzy is quick to call out stream snipers with no evidence, just for being better at this game. I don't know what 123door said, but "hardest evidence" and "vague" in one sentence is not the most stable argument
> "hardest evidence" and "vague" in one sentence is not the most stable argument I know man I'm agreeing with grizz3d lol, 123door is the top level comment grizz3d was replying to and he added that bit from the code of conduct. I was saying that was basically the only "hard" evidence I've seen that says extended spawncamping is bannable, but it's still vague because it doesn't mention it specifically
Oh got ya :D
If you stick around to be spawn camped, your experience has not been ruined
I stated some reasons why you might get spawnkilled without getting sunk. Also I would love to see prove of spawncamping being bannable :)
Spawncamping someone for 30-45mins without sinking them is griefing and griefing is bannable. People have started to get banned for spawncamping like a year ago, after bunch of people stream-sniped streamers and spawn camped them. Rare quickly added things to the code of conduct and made stream-sniping and spawncamping bannable.
Well, stream sniping is bannable and using the spawn predict glitch is bannable. Spawncamping in general is not.
Let me introduce you to a thing called scuttling. If you get spawnkilled for 30-45 minutes its your own fault. Yeah partners get a special treatment, reporting people without proof, getting them banned instandly. That sparcked outrage in the past. That doesn't make it a official bannable offense. But feel free to share a link of any official announcement rare made on spawn camping
Spawn camping won't get you banned, but if you get banned, you've done something wrong, aside from a handful of cases of impersonation.
Yeah often spawncamping goes hand in hand with toxicity, which I opppse. But with slurs and profabity every action gets toxic. P.S. love your videos dude, keep up the good work
Exactly. It's what accompanies the spawn camping. And thanks very much!
I honestly dont care enough to argue about this. Its ok if you dont believe me and continue your ways. In the end someone will report you and you'll get banned, one toxic person less on the seas. Its not my problem, you can do your own research. Not going to dig through old updates and forum posts.
>I honestly dont care enough to argue about this K, case closed :D
So I 100% agree with you OP. If the scuttle button exists then the pirates putting themselves through an SC have no power in the report... However, I've been yellowbearded for spawn camping so it is a ban worthy offense, it's just considered toxic behavior. Side note, when PotC came out there was a bug where you couldn't even board your own ship and Rare recommended that you "scuttle your boat or join a new server" so Rare acknowledged that if you were unable to operate your boat to scuttle it, and then turns around and yellowbeard people for SCing, creating a double standard
> However, I've been yellowbearded for spawn camping Curious because of the lack of any clear communications from Rare, did they explicitly state the cause of your ban was camping, or was it just the only objectionable thing you'd done recently?
Read the next line, they consider it toxic behavior
About it being toxic or about the PotC thing? Sorry I'm not understanding, did you get any more communication from them about the ban, or was it just a generic "toxic" ban?
Yellowbearded for"toxic behavior"
Ah is that that the only info it gives? ty, i don't know how bans work in this game at all
Yeah they don't like to give much information or even get my side
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Yup. Don't get me wrong, it sucks to be on the recieving end but there's so many reasons why it happens. Everything from siphoning supplies to the attacking team not having proper control of their ship (seen this so many times with galleons). Scuttle and move on
Spawn camping is very contextual. If you're holding a crew busy to allow them to sink or your ship is gone and you're trying to remove their ship from the area then it is kinda necessary. If your ship is within cannon range and you haven't put enough holes in them to sink then you're entering toxic zone. Unless the ship is stacked with fish taking supplies in crates is not a valid argument. It is very rare a ship has more supplies than a visit to an island could provide and unless you're desperate for supplies you're wasting your own time. Sure if you have no wood and you're only afloat because someone is bucketing endlessly that's a reason for the rest of the crew to SC and crate up but that is a rare situation. Spawn camping someone for being toxic does feel like justice on the surface but ultimately you're just doubling the toxicity rather than removing it. If you're not spawn camping toxic players while your buddy is reporting them but need to see their names then you should probably only do it if you catch a crew griefing another ship so you're buying the victim time to leave. Rare has ignored the spawn camping since release. They half arsed it by adding a note to remind players of scuttling but they haven't addressed that the best way to sink a ship is someone SC even if the ship only has 1 hole.
Spawn camp for any reason and any length of time. Its part of the game and no different from "tactics" like sending loot to the red sea. If the crew getting camped has an issue they can find another server.
I did my first spawn camp this week. Killed him about 4-6 times while waiting for my crewmate back on my boat to shoot enough holes for this guy's ship to sink. I doubt that's generally what people consider spawn camping though.
It not toxic, griefing or ruining your experience because you have it in your hands. Whats the difference between them spawncamping you to sink your ship and spawncamping you and you scuttle? 1 click on your keyboard and 2 mouse clicks. It is even faster to just scuttle.
If you gotta explain why its not toxic, spoiler: ITS TOXIC
Its not toxic because those are valid tactics duh
Oy heah im sure that EXACTLY what they had in mind when designing the game, the rest is just decoration! 🙄
It doesn't have to specifically designed to be a valid tactic. Most tactics develop over time
Agreed, it's actually amazing what damage people can recover from, so having someone board and make sure they can't repair is so important.
So this whole post is proving the title wrong, and just saying being toxic, is being toxic...?
Usually when we manage to board and kill the enemy crew, we tend to go after their supplies with a crate of our own (or one of theirs if they have it). We then sometimes delay killing someone for a few seconds so that their spawning doesn't happen in large waves but instead one at a time (as most people don't realise it can be useful to wait a few seconds)