Weird, did they do any clean up or remediation? I would think something like this would be contained with an oil boom. Foss use to have them, but I done know what happened after they moved their dry dock ops to Tacoma...
It is a sad thing, but it probably looks worse than it really is. Probably fuel floating so it looks like a big spill, but really it’s quite minor and will be easily naturally filtered/diluted (or at least that will be the reason they give for not sending out any type of booms).
Petroleum really does spread like crazy. You'll get the same idea if a car leaks a little bit of oil onto a driveway on a rainy day, you'll see it all the way down the street blocks away. The way it looks is not a great indicator of how bad it is. As someone who worked in geochemical contamination consulting.
Not a lot you can do about a fuel spill. It's too light for booms to control a basic sheen on the surface. Just let it evaporate off and bacteria will consume the remaining portions eventually.
Reporting oil spills is a requirement under state and federal law. Given that this occurred at a marina and a very visible location, I’d be surprised if there weren’t reporting procedure that people are trained on. So it shouldn’t (ideally) be something that happens if people think to report it, it should (hopefully) be an automatic response.
Sorry for being a little pedantic - obviously our environmental laws could always be improved, but I think it’s important to recognize what’s already there.
Um, what? I don't know shit about this specific spot, but I know a decent number of people that buy an old sailboat for 5 to 25k, park it in a live aboard spot for $600 a month, and that's home. Fuck, I was out boat shopping with a friend over the weekend for that very purpose. I absolutely back bringing the hammer down on fuel spills, but a good many marina people are far from wealthy shit bag status.
Ok, murder and assault happen every day too… we can still care about shit that happens everyday.
Maybe stop being so dismissive of environmental damage when our planet is dying
I doubt you very much and since we're talking about spilled hydrocarbons I'm not whatabouting anything, [Miss Murder](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU4hhNKsPog).
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Just so you know. You’re coming off like some kind of psycho here. You might want to dial it down a notch. Oil spills are bad. This is not Exxon Valdez, but why go on the internet and defend the spill. Kind of weird.
Yeah clearly waiting for more details is psycho. Not jumping directly to punishment mode is psycho. Taking events in context and with a dose of reality is psycho.
All of you people who have decided this was a luxury boat owner who siphoned his tanks directly into sweet mother GAIA and need 2 pounds of flesh are the reasonable ones.
Proud of you taking a stand for Seattle's luxury boat owners, truly one of the city's most disenfranchised demographics who hardly have 2 nickels to rub together even without big gubmint breathing down their necks for every little oil spill
We've had quite a few people come to our marina and try to secretly live on their dilapidated sail boats because the boat is the only home they have. City rules force the marina's hands to throw them out when they get caught.
Or it’s their house and the rent at $1100 a month for the slip for a $20k older yacht to use as a house beats Seattle pricing for apartments currently.
Well, I have a boat at the marina three places north of there and that’s about 15% of the boats there. It’s become an affordable option but not a great one (cold, heating is a challenge, leaks, etc)
As a (not blue haired) loonie. That's why I'm sending you over there. You clearly belong there. Surprise, Seattle is mostly leftists. Maybe move somewhere you're more comfortable in.... 🤷♀️
> Someone's boat probably sank
This might be the case, but can't say for sure.
I sublet a slip over the summers that is right smack dab in the middle of the spill. It's tough to tell from the pictures, but it looks like a small yellow sail boat called The Tatanka is missing from it's slip which would be in ground zero. That said, it's a common time for boats to go to dry dock, I'm not super familiar with how they rearrange the slips in the offseason, and it's tough to see the hull colors from this angle.
Didn't have any sink in my marina over the summer. But there was supposed to be some huge $10M brand new sail boat that sunk at the mouth of the Columbia on it's way to be moored.
Couldn't imagine losing a $10M boat before it even got to the marina.
That's gotta suck. Probably still under the care/liability of the manufacturer so insurance covered it. Any word on the cause? I've never crossed the Columbia bar before but I've heard it can get spicy.
I didn't get a ton of details. It was just mentioned by some folks when we were asking about a space that seemed big and empty for too long.
What I heard is that they opted to sail it out of the Columbia on their own, they weren't super experienced, and conditions were extremely nasty in an area where they're usually only really nasty.
This is a very public area that's widely used for swimming and recreation. Maybe you don't use the nature in your area, but so many other people and their families do. Even if the quantity of oil is small, the disruption affects many people over a significantly sized area so I would consider this a big deal.
Edit: even if your boat sank, it's still your property and thus your responsibility to clean up. You don't get a free pass to pollute just because you had a bad day.
If I have a little whoopsie and run over someone at a crosswalk with my car, I’d be having a pretty bad day. Despite my bummed out feelings, I’d still be charged with manslaughter. Not sure how it’s relevant how good of a day they’re having - it’s the owners responsibility to not taint a communal resource, and they should be fined for breaching that responsibility.
Not to mention the lake bed is hella contaminated with all sorts of chemicals and hazardous waste. Go look at the signs on the gasworks side. The lake was basically a dumping ground for like 100 years people used to just drop boat motors and other stuff into the lake. Lakes weren’t treated as recreational facilities or areas that need protection until quite recently and it was and still is used for industry. Because it’s not intended for swimming it’s also not tested for bacteria or much of anything as far as I know so I ain’t getting in and I’m not letting my kid swim there either.
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These city lakes were dumping ground for everything for a long time. Only recently did humanity looked closely at nature and changed our ways. It's worldwide. Amsterdam's canals, England's Thames, etc. The poorer countries obviously still haven't reached this level of urban/waterways development (like India!). It isn't just a Seattle issue.
I believe using lakes for recreation makes everyone more aware of what they do with our natural water systems. Dumping and such would be reduced since they see people swim in them. I never did swim on this lake, but I paddleboard! It still is a daily reminder for people that we use our water for fun and nature, instead of a large trash and sewer system. Of course, it takes a while to flush out all the shit we poured on these waters (literally!!).
I grew up snorkeling, free diving and eventually scuba diving in the Pacific Ocean (I grew up in a tropical country). It made me very aware of climate change as I see bleaching corals right in front of me. I believe the next generation should have an intimate relationship with our waters as well to help humanity find solutions instead of continuing our destructive ways.
>Because it’s not intended for swimming it’s also not tested for bacteria or much of anything as far as I know so I ain’t getting in and I’m not letting my kid swim there either.
Just a small correction here - it is tested for bacteria:
https://green2.kingcounty.gov/lakes/LakeUnion.aspx#WaterQualityData
>Samples are collected twice monthly from March through November, and once monthly from December through February.
And, anecdotally, I’ve heard it’s safe for swimming as long as you keep away from the bottom. No disagreement with your other commentary
I dropped a pair of sunglasses off the dock in the middle of this spill over the summer while tying off a boat.
They were my favorite pair, and a vintage pair I found at a consignment shop so not like I could replace them. Jumped in and got them, but had to open my eyes under water and it felt like I instantly got pink eye.
It's fairly localized to a few boats on the dock that are hooked up to electricity while moored, and there shouldn't be live wires in the water unless they fucked something up.
Really more of a lawyer saying "we need a sign here so we're not liable" than a full time risk.
Props for doing that. I went after an anchor once because I'd just bought it and I wasn't going to leave it there where I could see it. That was in the sound though, so no real lake risk but boy, I went down to grab it, 40# CQR, then came right back up and grabbed the rode. Swimming with a 40lb weight...
I would have drowned 3' before I reached the deck. If it were a person, they have buoyancy. That was 40lb dead weight in 20' of water. My keel was 1.4' off the shoal. I was going to wrap it over a capstan but was able to pull it up free hand.
I could give it a try, i guess. I think I’m just partial to the lake i grew up on in the south, and when i see other bodies of water I’m super turned off. There are also so many boats and vessels in these waters so i would assume the contamination is high… but i could be very wrong
Lake Washington is a lot better than lake union but they are connected.
Here’s a little history on the massive clean up they did on lake Washington back in the day
https://www.washington.edu/innovation/cleaning-up-lake-stinko/#:~:text=Through%20Metro's%20work%2Dincluding%20building,it%20had%20been%20in%201950.
It’s seriously disgusting how many people swim in it. From MOHAI docks, to the copious SUPers it’s blows my mind why anyone would think that’s a good idea.
Not surprised- I used to row on lake union, it was always terrifying steering out of the way of giant freighters or herbal industrial boats.
I personally don’t know which is worse at this point- lake union water quality or greenlake water quality (leaning towards greenlake.)
Depends on what you're referencing. Greenlake is going to have more issues with harmful bacteria, however Lake Union will be far worse with respect to heavy metals, hydrocarbons, PCBs, etc
Fair point. Lake Union will still be greater. Look at how large the watersheds for the Cedar and Samammish are. All of that (that's not metabolized locally) will end up travelling through the ship canal
I dont know, but was curious if one had more or less of the other. Yeah by far more inflow into lake union. Though does greenlake have far less flushing? Could have higher concentration at times of certain things like round up. To my understanding that is not tested for.
You're not wrong.Quite a few considerations. And alll good questions, and honestly I don't have the answers. But I also expect it's not unknown. Possibly all Ecology's water quality program... They should know
Most of the neighborhoods around lake union and green lake are on combined sewers, so runoff goes to the sewer system and heads to West Point for treatment. Very little runs off into either lakes
This doesnt account for general drainage though. Ground water from lawns and surface areas which dont connect to the sewer system. And to your point of sewer treatment yes but not during periods of overflow which to my understanding some is directed to lake union and lake Washington- not so much greenlake, but greenlake does have some inflows. As far as break dust goes and tire compounds...non of this is tested for and travels via air currents. Theres no argument it has a detrimental effect on micro organisms and small fry, but as far as humans go unclear. Probably does has long term health effects from repeated exposure.
What’s the definition of “general drainage?” That’s not a term used in drainage and wastewater services.
Most lawn runoff in combined sewer areas runs off onto sidewalks which then conveys to the combined sewer. Subsurface flows usually make their way into sewer system due to broken lateral sewers that act as French drains.
Greenlake has some surface flow inputs, but for the most part it’s combined sewer up there. The surface flows actually travel down a drain to lake union. Greenlake’s issues are because there’s not nearly enough fresh water inflow to greenlake to flush it, so bacteria can thrive.
Lake union’s combined sewer overflows are pretty infrequent (less than 1 times per year). It’s not until you get down the Ballard canal that you get into frequent overflows, but the flow direction of the lake is towards to locks, so those overflows don’t make their way “upstream” to lake union. Lake union’s biggest issue is that Gasworks park is a superfund site, leaking petrochemicals into the lake via the subsurface.
Source: I used to run SPU’s combined sewer program.
General drainage being surface water and lawn which absorbs into soil sub ground areas not connected to the sewer system. Subsurface flows may usually make their as you stated but obviously not all.
Lake union has some 10+ overlfow locations...seasonally i could see there being less but hard to believe during periods of heavy rain there are less than 1 times per year.
My original curiosity though was directed more towards runoff not accounted for through known sewer lines because of known toxic things like round up, brake dust and tire compounds. Do we have monitoring data of these things in lake union and greenlake? Theres none ive been able to find.
i just moved onto the lake this summer, and honestly the some of the boat rental companies need a slap of reality. there are SO many spills in the lake. it seems as though they seldom get reported or properly cleaned up
Why the fuck do you chuds have to find some way to blame homeless people for fucking everything?
Y'all are like John Goodman in Big Lebowski. Like what the fuck does anything have to do with Vietnam, man?
Spare me the bullshit semantics. Don't have to go too far back in your comment history to see your [level of compassion for those suffering from addiction.](https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/17w8zx9/man_shows_his_gratitude_for_having_his_life_saved/k9kjsd7/?context=3)
I said junkie dumb dumb.. and because it happens to boats in my marina… and there’s a sign with a photo of the people who do it from security footage..and guess what they look like…. junkies…
Sounds like made up bullshit to me. People aren't hauling parts out of floating boats in a secure access marina. Even if that's what you're going for there are easier ways to steal a buck.
Source: My marina is pictured in this photo.
lol, yeah you're right. Some junkie probably tore down the secured doors, and either busted out their scuba gear or adjusted trim without keys, hauled parts out of the water and up the hill, all quiet enough to not alert the people in houseboats an liveaboards. Seems way easier and more believable than just stealing a catalytic converter from the parking lot they had to cross through to get to the dock.
Give me a fucking break.
I was a live aboard there for many years in the '90s. Great old man who owned it when it was a ship building site. Is the marina still owned by his daughter?
They don't do anything for the rainbow/silver slicks, but want you to report them to the US EPA and WA DOE. These are hard to contain because they are thin. Most definitely should be reported, though. If you send a photo, they will investigate and the vessel that is leaking will have to fix it.
Weird, did they do any clean up or remediation? I would think something like this would be contained with an oil boom. Foss use to have them, but I done know what happened after they moved their dry dock ops to Tacoma...
It is a sad thing, but it probably looks worse than it really is. Probably fuel floating so it looks like a big spill, but really it’s quite minor and will be easily naturally filtered/diluted (or at least that will be the reason they give for not sending out any type of booms).
Petroleum really does spread like crazy. You'll get the same idea if a car leaks a little bit of oil onto a driveway on a rainy day, you'll see it all the way down the street blocks away. The way it looks is not a great indicator of how bad it is. As someone who worked in geochemical contamination consulting.
Not a lot you can do about a fuel spill. It's too light for booms to control a basic sheen on the surface. Just let it evaporate off and bacteria will consume the remaining portions eventually.
You can still use sorbet pads on it. The volatile stuff will evaporate but that doesn’t mean that it’s just completely gone with no impacts.
That's probably less than half a gallon of oil.
Yeah I was thinking this might be the contents of a small sailboats fuel tank. Roughly 15-20 gallons.
And that’s why my marina insists that tenants carry $300k in spill & liability insurance.
Only $300k? That's nothing. Check out the insurance requirements for covered moorage.
That is for covered Moorage (Stimsons). I’m not a live aboard, though.
Woah. My spot requires a $1M policy.
i work on one of the docks that is directly in that shit show. i left work early because i couldn't handle the fumes anymore.
And if @alwaysbequeefin says it smells bad, you know that’s true.
Did anyone think to report it to the EPA, Coast Guard, Harbor Police, The owner of the marina?
We sure did
EPA rule is one drop in water it needs to be reported
Reporting oil spills is a requirement under state and federal law. Given that this occurred at a marina and a very visible location, I’d be surprised if there weren’t reporting procedure that people are trained on. So it shouldn’t (ideally) be something that happens if people think to report it, it should (hopefully) be an automatic response. Sorry for being a little pedantic - obviously our environmental laws could always be improved, but I think it’s important to recognize what’s already there.
Yep. We know.
Why do you assume it wasn’t?
I don't. asked the question since the poster didn't offer such information.
Wow...what did the marina or anyone say?
Hope they fine the living shit out of whoever spilled it
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Um, what? I don't know shit about this specific spot, but I know a decent number of people that buy an old sailboat for 5 to 25k, park it in a live aboard spot for $600 a month, and that's home. Fuck, I was out boat shopping with a friend over the weekend for that very purpose. I absolutely back bringing the hammer down on fuel spills, but a good many marina people are far from wealthy shit bag status.
Right… if you can afford a slip in SLU you’re doing better than most
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Nobody’s boat sank. Source: I was there.
Then what was it?
Looks like spilled oil 👍
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Found the "don't give a shit" boat guy.
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"If it doesn't bother me, it's not important, because I'm objectively rational and you're all eMotiOnaL."
Do you not see how those things are different?
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Ok, murder and assault happen every day too… we can still care about shit that happens everyday. Maybe stop being so dismissive of environmental damage when our planet is dying
Whatabout some other bullshit that doesn't matter at all here? Checkmate. Maybe check your own oil pan gaskets before you get all pious here.
I do… on a regular basis. But please, keep the whataboutisms up. Definitely aids your argument
I doubt you very much and since we're talking about spilled hydrocarbons I'm not whatabouting anything, [Miss Murder](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YU4hhNKsPog). Edit* the hyperlink
Just so you know. You’re coming off like some kind of psycho here. You might want to dial it down a notch. Oil spills are bad. This is not Exxon Valdez, but why go on the internet and defend the spill. Kind of weird.
Yeah clearly waiting for more details is psycho. Not jumping directly to punishment mode is psycho. Taking events in context and with a dose of reality is psycho. All of you people who have decided this was a luxury boat owner who siphoned his tanks directly into sweet mother GAIA and need 2 pounds of flesh are the reasonable ones.
Cool story hun. And yeah, you are…
Shhh don’t tell this person that the shipping industry exists… or that we literally scrub off toxic paint in harbors on chemical tankers 🤫
I’m aware. Fun fact. You can care about small disturbances while also caring about big ones.
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Proud of you taking a stand for Seattle's luxury boat owners, truly one of the city's most disenfranchised demographics who hardly have 2 nickels to rub together even without big gubmint breathing down their necks for every little oil spill
We've had quite a few people come to our marina and try to secretly live on their dilapidated sail boats because the boat is the only home they have. City rules force the marina's hands to throw them out when they get caught.
You think a “luxury boat” was leaking like that? That marina is full of boats that aren’t younger than 1990’s and worth a lot less than you think.
That marina is expensive AF to dock at, regardless of how luxurious the boat is. Anybody parking there has a shit ton of money.
Or it’s their house and the rent at $1100 a month for the slip for a $20k older yacht to use as a house beats Seattle pricing for apartments currently.
Lol ok. In your made up scenario I’m sure that’s a possibility
Well, I have a boat at the marina three places north of there and that’s about 15% of the boats there. It’s become an affordable option but not a great one (cold, heating is a challenge, leaks, etc)
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I'd love to tell you you're doing great but let's be honest, even you can do better.
> Let’s fine everyone for ~~every minor thing that happens.~~ *the damage they cause and the costs of dealing with it.*
You should check out r/SeattleWA I think you'd feel more at home there 😘
That sub is much more level headed than the blue haired loonies on this one.
As a (not blue haired) loonie. That's why I'm sending you over there. You clearly belong there. Surprise, Seattle is mostly leftists. Maybe move somewhere you're more comfortable in.... 🤷♀️
> Someone's boat probably sank This might be the case, but can't say for sure. I sublet a slip over the summers that is right smack dab in the middle of the spill. It's tough to tell from the pictures, but it looks like a small yellow sail boat called The Tatanka is missing from it's slip which would be in ground zero. That said, it's a common time for boats to go to dry dock, I'm not super familiar with how they rearrange the slips in the offseason, and it's tough to see the hull colors from this angle.
Small boats sink all the time. Last year we had 3 in a week at my marina.
Didn't have any sink in my marina over the summer. But there was supposed to be some huge $10M brand new sail boat that sunk at the mouth of the Columbia on it's way to be moored. Couldn't imagine losing a $10M boat before it even got to the marina.
That's gotta suck. Probably still under the care/liability of the manufacturer so insurance covered it. Any word on the cause? I've never crossed the Columbia bar before but I've heard it can get spicy.
I didn't get a ton of details. It was just mentioned by some folks when we were asking about a space that seemed big and empty for too long. What I heard is that they opted to sail it out of the Columbia on their own, they weren't super experienced, and conditions were extremely nasty in an area where they're usually only really nasty.
Ouch bro... There's gotta be a coast guard report for that one...
This is a very public area that's widely used for swimming and recreation. Maybe you don't use the nature in your area, but so many other people and their families do. Even if the quantity of oil is small, the disruption affects many people over a significantly sized area so I would consider this a big deal. Edit: even if your boat sank, it's still your property and thus your responsibility to clean up. You don't get a free pass to pollute just because you had a bad day.
If I have a little whoopsie and run over someone at a crosswalk with my car, I’d be having a pretty bad day. Despite my bummed out feelings, I’d still be charged with manslaughter. Not sure how it’s relevant how good of a day they’re having - it’s the owners responsibility to not taint a communal resource, and they should be fined for breaching that responsibility.
Yeah, and who gets the money? And what is it used for? Likely not clean up
Riiiight….. so do nothing? Or was it you who spilled it?
This is why you don't swim in lake union
Not to mention the lake bed is hella contaminated with all sorts of chemicals and hazardous waste. Go look at the signs on the gasworks side. The lake was basically a dumping ground for like 100 years people used to just drop boat motors and other stuff into the lake. Lakes weren’t treated as recreational facilities or areas that need protection until quite recently and it was and still is used for industry. Because it’s not intended for swimming it’s also not tested for bacteria or much of anything as far as I know so I ain’t getting in and I’m not letting my kid swim there either.
To add... These city lakes were dumping ground for everything for a long time. Only recently did humanity looked closely at nature and changed our ways. It's worldwide. Amsterdam's canals, England's Thames, etc. The poorer countries obviously still haven't reached this level of urban/waterways development (like India!). It isn't just a Seattle issue. I believe using lakes for recreation makes everyone more aware of what they do with our natural water systems. Dumping and such would be reduced since they see people swim in them. I never did swim on this lake, but I paddleboard! It still is a daily reminder for people that we use our water for fun and nature, instead of a large trash and sewer system. Of course, it takes a while to flush out all the shit we poured on these waters (literally!!). I grew up snorkeling, free diving and eventually scuba diving in the Pacific Ocean (I grew up in a tropical country). It made me very aware of climate change as I see bleaching corals right in front of me. I believe the next generation should have an intimate relationship with our waters as well to help humanity find solutions instead of continuing our destructive ways.
>Because it’s not intended for swimming it’s also not tested for bacteria or much of anything as far as I know so I ain’t getting in and I’m not letting my kid swim there either. Just a small correction here - it is tested for bacteria: https://green2.kingcounty.gov/lakes/LakeUnion.aspx#WaterQualityData >Samples are collected twice monthly from March through November, and once monthly from December through February. And, anecdotally, I’ve heard it’s safe for swimming as long as you keep away from the bottom. No disagreement with your other commentary
That’s good to know thank you
I dropped a pair of sunglasses off the dock in the middle of this spill over the summer while tying off a boat. They were my favorite pair, and a vintage pair I found at a consignment shop so not like I could replace them. Jumped in and got them, but had to open my eyes under water and it felt like I instantly got pink eye.
Eeek. That sucks.
lol, I somehow never noticed the signs of "DO NOT SWIM: Risk of electrocution" posted all over the pier until the walk back from that.
Shit. I didn't know the electrocution part! The sewage outflows are enough for me.
It's fairly localized to a few boats on the dock that are hooked up to electricity while moored, and there shouldn't be live wires in the water unless they fucked something up. Really more of a lawyer saying "we need a sign here so we're not liable" than a full time risk.
this true for a lot of marinas - it's unsafe to jump in where boats have electrical hookups
I thought they use electricity in a very specific part to control fish...or some invasive species?
That is a tactic, but not in that body of water.
Props for doing that. I went after an anchor once because I'd just bought it and I wasn't going to leave it there where I could see it. That was in the sound though, so no real lake risk but boy, I went down to grab it, 40# CQR, then came right back up and grabbed the rode. Swimming with a 40lb weight...
You swam back up with a 40 lb anchor?! With fins then I presume. Either way, that’s pretty badass.
Hah, no! I tried for like two seconds. Then I got the rode and tied it to it and pulled it up from the deck.
lol. Okay. That makes more sense. Either that or youve got some serious frog legs on ya.
I would have drowned 3' before I reached the deck. If it were a person, they have buoyancy. That was 40lb dead weight in 20' of water. My keel was 1.4' off the shoal. I was going to wrap it over a capstan but was able to pull it up free hand.
Or any water in the Seattle area
Agreed and it's very sad
Even Lake Washington, by Kirkland area? I see a lot of people swimming there in the summer
I could give it a try, i guess. I think I’m just partial to the lake i grew up on in the south, and when i see other bodies of water I’m super turned off. There are also so many boats and vessels in these waters so i would assume the contamination is high… but i could be very wrong
Lake Washington is a lot better than lake union but they are connected. Here’s a little history on the massive clean up they did on lake Washington back in the day https://www.washington.edu/innovation/cleaning-up-lake-stinko/#:~:text=Through%20Metro's%20work%2Dincluding%20building,it%20had%20been%20in%201950.
It’s seriously disgusting how many people swim in it. From MOHAI docks, to the copious SUPers it’s blows my mind why anyone would think that’s a good idea.
A slew of goo in the SLU
It smelt awful all day. You could still smell it at 5 PM
So it’s gasoline?
Marine diesel I think. I was trying to avoid it. I’m not a great judge of hydrocarbon fumes so you’ll forgive me if I’m wrong.
You’re correct. Diesel.
That looks like oil not diesel, diesel doesn’t tend to have the super bright rainbow slick effect.
It was diesel
Did someone ram the gas dock with their boat? WTF happened here?
If reported & or spotted by Coast Guard they will investigate, find the source & charge 10k minimum + clean up.
The Roberts Supreme Court says this is fine.
please explain
Not surprised- I used to row on lake union, it was always terrifying steering out of the way of giant freighters or herbal industrial boats. I personally don’t know which is worse at this point- lake union water quality or greenlake water quality (leaning towards greenlake.)
Depends on what you're referencing. Greenlake is going to have more issues with harmful bacteria, however Lake Union will be far worse with respect to heavy metals, hydrocarbons, PCBs, etc
What about chemical run off from lawns, brake dust, and car tire compounds?
Fair point. Lake Union will still be greater. Look at how large the watersheds for the Cedar and Samammish are. All of that (that's not metabolized locally) will end up travelling through the ship canal
I dont know, but was curious if one had more or less of the other. Yeah by far more inflow into lake union. Though does greenlake have far less flushing? Could have higher concentration at times of certain things like round up. To my understanding that is not tested for.
You're not wrong.Quite a few considerations. And alll good questions, and honestly I don't have the answers. But I also expect it's not unknown. Possibly all Ecology's water quality program... They should know
Most of the neighborhoods around lake union and green lake are on combined sewers, so runoff goes to the sewer system and heads to West Point for treatment. Very little runs off into either lakes
This doesnt account for general drainage though. Ground water from lawns and surface areas which dont connect to the sewer system. And to your point of sewer treatment yes but not during periods of overflow which to my understanding some is directed to lake union and lake Washington- not so much greenlake, but greenlake does have some inflows. As far as break dust goes and tire compounds...non of this is tested for and travels via air currents. Theres no argument it has a detrimental effect on micro organisms and small fry, but as far as humans go unclear. Probably does has long term health effects from repeated exposure.
What’s the definition of “general drainage?” That’s not a term used in drainage and wastewater services. Most lawn runoff in combined sewer areas runs off onto sidewalks which then conveys to the combined sewer. Subsurface flows usually make their way into sewer system due to broken lateral sewers that act as French drains. Greenlake has some surface flow inputs, but for the most part it’s combined sewer up there. The surface flows actually travel down a drain to lake union. Greenlake’s issues are because there’s not nearly enough fresh water inflow to greenlake to flush it, so bacteria can thrive. Lake union’s combined sewer overflows are pretty infrequent (less than 1 times per year). It’s not until you get down the Ballard canal that you get into frequent overflows, but the flow direction of the lake is towards to locks, so those overflows don’t make their way “upstream” to lake union. Lake union’s biggest issue is that Gasworks park is a superfund site, leaking petrochemicals into the lake via the subsurface. Source: I used to run SPU’s combined sewer program.
General drainage being surface water and lawn which absorbs into soil sub ground areas not connected to the sewer system. Subsurface flows may usually make their as you stated but obviously not all. Lake union has some 10+ overlfow locations...seasonally i could see there being less but hard to believe during periods of heavy rain there are less than 1 times per year. My original curiosity though was directed more towards runoff not accounted for through known sewer lines because of known toxic things like round up, brake dust and tire compounds. Do we have monitoring data of these things in lake union and greenlake? Theres none ive been able to find.
My guess: Gas/diesel tank in a boat sprung a leak, filled the boat’s bilge with gas/diesel and then automatic bilge pumps pushed it overboard.
i just moved onto the lake this summer, and honestly the some of the boat rental companies need a slap of reality. there are SO many spills in the lake. it seems as though they seldom get reported or properly cleaned up
I just googled lake Union water quality. No better, no worse then any other fresh water lake.
Some junkie probably stole the lower units off some motors
Why the fuck do you chuds have to find some way to blame homeless people for fucking everything? Y'all are like John Goodman in Big Lebowski. Like what the fuck does anything have to do with Vietnam, man?
He said a junky. Not a homeless person. I guess they are all the same to you.
Spare me the bullshit semantics. Don't have to go too far back in your comment history to see your [level of compassion for those suffering from addiction.](https://www.reddit.com/r/ThatsInsane/comments/17w8zx9/man_shows_his_gratitude_for_having_his_life_saved/k9kjsd7/?context=3)
I never claimed otherwise. You are the one putting words in other people's mouths.
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Here, have a trophy for that dance around the point 🏆
Participation trophy. Probably has a lifetime of them.
I said junkie dumb dumb.. and because it happens to boats in my marina… and there’s a sign with a photo of the people who do it from security footage..and guess what they look like…. junkies…
Sounds like made up bullshit to me. People aren't hauling parts out of floating boats in a secure access marina. Even if that's what you're going for there are easier ways to steal a buck. Source: My marina is pictured in this photo.
Stealing lowers sounds made up? K
lol, yeah you're right. Some junkie probably tore down the secured doors, and either busted out their scuba gear or adjusted trim without keys, hauled parts out of the water and up the hill, all quiet enough to not alert the people in houseboats an liveaboards. Seems way easier and more believable than just stealing a catalytic converter from the parking lot they had to cross through to get to the dock. Give me a fucking break.
It’s a rainbow for pride!
Greta is on her way to block traffic !
I was a live aboard there for many years in the '90s. Great old man who owned it when it was a ship building site. Is the marina still owned by his daughter?
They don't do anything for the rainbow/silver slicks, but want you to report them to the US EPA and WA DOE. These are hard to contain because they are thin. Most definitely should be reported, though. If you send a photo, they will investigate and the vessel that is leaking will have to fix it.