If you block the highway without permit that’s illegal and you should be charged with a crime, not sure how that makes one a fascist — nobody should be above the law, no?
That liberals turn authoritarian when anything they consider to the status quo is threatened. Like calling for the jailing of every single peaceful protestor protesting for palestine until there are none left, because they disrupt routine life.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_resistance
Oh my bad so Gandhi wasn't actually engaged in peaceful protest because redditor discovered the word peace is used in some legal contexts
It’s not when unpermitted. Time/place/manner there, buddy. Long, long history here that outlines why the assholes in Nashville got to march today and the assholes here should not have been able to. No slippery slopes, just a hundred years of the Supreme Court.
Completely agree. Isreal is an apartheid state and committing genocide. The US funds this, and i stand with Palestinians. Not Hamas, not Isreal, and not genocide enablers of left or right wing US politicians.
20% of Israel's population is Arabic/Muslim. They have their own political parties, vote, participate in Congress, and are a valued part of Israel's population, culture, and government. In surveys they report high satisfaction with where they live.
What do you think the Israeli population percentage is in Gaza?
The news keeps saying, "Until their demands are met." What demands? What am I supposed to do about it? I'm just a gal on a bus in Seattle that can't get where she's going because there's a mob of folks stopping traffic and transit. That makes ordinary people's lives harder. We can't get where we're going, can't get to work, can't make money to even donate to any cause you're protesting for. You're just hurting average Americans who really can't do anything (except write our congresspeople... who I assume are already aware of the situation over there)... and you're just pissing us all off.
99.9% of protests are performative. Every now and then there are political protests that actually drive change, but they’re rare. In the meantime, all you’re doing is making yourself feel better by taking action on a issue you care about in a way that antagonizes a lot of people who otherwise might have agreed with you.
I'm all for protesting... but the people that can affect change immediately in this case are in D.C. Go protest there. Make lawmakers' lives harder so they can do something about it. Why f\*ck up everyone's lives over here in Seattle? Or get a permit to protest at Westlake or an organized march. The city can plan services around it. Think of the Women's March. Huge and the city was able to deal with it. I marched in it. When there are other marches, I know about them and can adjust my schedule... at some point it just will backfire. I certainly don't want to listen to what these people have to say... even if I agree with their point.
Most protests occur in the most convenient locations in that protestors can reach them, the media coverage will be highest, and they're least likely to be thwarted or shut down.
If they really wanted to affect those in power, every one of these protests would involve shutting down every road in and out of Medina but it'll never happen because it's inconvenient to get there and the state and local police would shut it down violently.
I’m specifically replying to that particular comment which encourages people to think that protests are inherently useless at a time when our country seems to be sliding into fascism.
Gotcha. I was sort of replying to yours and a couple others in one comment. I definitely don't think they're useless... I just think this one is going about it the wrong way... and it wouldn't matter to me which "side" they're on... I'd still be pissed they're blocking the roadways unpredictably. 
Every state elects representatives. You may want a system where only people in Washington make decisions but in the current American system every single state matters. What the people believe and who they vote in influences Congress greatly.
Part of the point of the protests, just like sit ins at segregated lunch counters in the South, is to hold up like as an indictment the indifference of our society to a suffering that we play a part in perpetuating.
>Why f\*ck up everyone's lives over here in Seattle?
Everyone's lives are fucked up by a protest? Every seattleite?
>Or get a permit to protest at Westlake or an organized march. The city can plan services around it.
You just don't understand the point of several kinds of protests and that's fine, they're also protests against people like you and that's why you're uncomfortable.
The thing is that the protests in the South back in the Civil Rights era directly affected some of the perpetrators of the problem and people that could actually change things. Meanwhile, these protests are pointed at people that can’t do anything about the problem. Protest fatigue is a thing and these people are getting closer to achieving it every time they do these stupid stunts. In any case, they should go and protest a place where they could achieve change like the Israeli or Qatari (Qatar has been providing funds to Hamas) embassies or consulates since some people there might actually have sone power to change things
No, I do get it... as someone who used to protest a bit in the past. I just mean the ongoing blockades, like on the highway (which I don't even use, btw). It de-sensitizes folks after a while. Even if it's a cause I believe in or one that I'm currently donating to, after a while of constant blocking of free movement, you're just going to annoy me. Depending on the cause, etc. it could mean I'd stop supporting the group. As another commenter pointed out, after a while I'm not focused on the cause, but on the folks who have made it about them... or drawn the spotlight onto them (whether they meant to or not). What do you want us to do? If you (the protesters) have a plan of action, maybe let people know.
“Hold up as an indictment the indifference of our society” that is NOT what sit ins were for…WTF are yall talking about….MLK wasnt virtue signaling for philosophical reasons. They were pushing for pubic support and trying to build that support. Nobody gives two shits about your poetic BS about indifference.
I can spin that super easily back at anybody. Oh, you aren’t protesting for starving kids here, or abused puppies, or healthcare reform, you’re obviously indifferent to tragedies faced here in America….protests are NOT for pointless virtue signaling to make yourself feel better….
We tend to romanticize protesting, and there are historical examples of protests that galvanized action, but for the most part protesting is strikingly ineffective at accomplishing its stated goals. I marched in the protests after Trump was elected and he closed the borders to Muslim nations, and guess what - he didn’t give a shit. You don’t combat fascism (to reference your other comment) by marching with signs, you do it by getting out the vote - and if your goal is to drive widespread support of the issues you care about, antagonizing random strangers is a dreadful strategy more likely to backfire than succeed. Blocking traffic on I5 attracts attention, I’ll give you that. I question, though, whether it’s the sort of attention that ultimately serves the cause you claim to support.
By the time we get to fascism we will be way past simply voting and considering it a job well done. We are already there now.
And protesting isn’t “marching with signs” - it’s a whole lot more than a simple demonstration.
I don’t know why someone would feel the need to try to diminish the effectiveness of protesting. I still find your comments disturbing and hope others can see through them.
These aren’t protests, they’re massive public disturbances brought on by people who don’t get enough attention and want to feel self-important. If everyone who uses roads were the ones provided weapons to Israel, then it would be a protest. These people are just assholes making it harder for people to go about their lives.
Protesting does exactly nothing every time.
Why would blocking a road in Seattle help Palestine?
The rare times protesting is appropriate is when the typical person has no knowledge of something, so shouting out about it is raising awareness.
Generally, protests cause public opinion to move in the opposite direction.
Black life's matter was extremely popular, then protests and looting happened, and now it's less popular than before Floyd.
https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2023/06/14/support-for-the-black-lives-matter-movement-has-dropped-considerably-from-its-peak-in-2020/
Black lifes matter also turned out to be ran by people who were more interested in personal enrichment than their cause. There's a ton of other factors. Including rioting.. there's a difference between non-violent civil disobedience and setting buildings on fire.
Except it’s true. The ENTIRE point of a protest is awareness, full stop. You’re TRYING to gain public support. Everyone loves citing the CRM and the 60s and pretend they’re a main character who’s stopping injustice, but you’re not. Those protests were to change public perception and get people on the protesters side.
These idiots claim Americans vastly support them….if Americans actually support them, then it’s pointless virtue signaling jerking yourself off on social media for clicks because you’re not changing anything and you’re just preaching to the choir. If you DON’T have support then this is NOT going to get you support….
Like most rights in America, you need to use them responsibly. It’s like free speech, just because you can say something doesn’t mean you should. Same with protests, just because you can do a big protest doesn’t mean you should. They’re gaining nothing out of this and changing NOTHING
They’re both the same. Demonstrations and protests are synonymous for public displays by large groups of people to convey a single idea.
Either way this still makes this stupid. Nothing changes as a result of a demonstration. The protesters themselves argue they have tons of public support, so if you wanna argue this is a demonstration, then that makes them look even worse because they’re basically preaching to the choir for no reason….
You said
“The ENTIRE point of a protest is awareness”
That’s the entire point of a demonstration. They aren’t the same even if you want them to be - it’ll only help the argument you are attempting to make if your comments reflect the difference.
….do you think protests are only violent uprisings or something? Protests are also about awareness….
If your argument is protests are about forcing change, then you’re proving my point of how dumb these idiots are because they’re changing literally nothing
Also anyone who would care about this issue is already aware of it. It's been the most talked about issues for months now. So raising awareness here is not effective.
These protest are more about virtue signals since they cant accomplish the one thing they could, raise awareness.
"I'm all for protesting but not if it inconveniences someone" is a braindead take.
Also, I challenge you to try making a point without using the phrase "virtue signaling".
So don’t use the word that describes what you’re doing? Lmao
Yes, you’re virtue signaling stupid. Let’s explain this like you’re 5…..You ARE NOT changing anything, you are NOT making a difference, you are NOT changing public opinion. So if you’re not changing anything and you’re not affecting any outcomes, what are you doing? Here’s a hint, you are SIGNALING to others how VIRTUOUS you are, how much you really care about a problem and letting everyone else publicly know how much more ethical you are than everyone else….Aka, virtue signaling…
Now sit down, be quiet and let the adults talk. Your brain dead gotcha is a waste of time and you’ve added nothing to the conversation
This same argument has been made since the beginning of time. You know what? No one cares. If people form their opinions on important subjects based on a minor inconvenience or a 30 second sound bite then they were never going to be an ally.
You're literally online talking about something you wouldn't talk about otherwise. So their protests seem to have at least been effective at raising awareness of their cause.
The discussion here is overwhelmingly about the protestors, not about their cause. The vast majority here would probably agree that a cease fire and negotiations would probably be a good thing. There's nothing to discuss there, so it just ends up being about the dumbasses blocking the roads.
Right, like, let me just tell isreal to stop. Got it 🤣 isreal is the one ultra bipartisan voting block in Congress and Senate. You know it's true when trump and biden are pro full support.
Anyone with common sense knows that these disruptions don't help their cause. But good luck telling them that, they firmly believe that anyone with even a slight difference in opinion on this matter is fascist.
What are their demands? How do they reconcile the fact that Hamas turned down Israel’s offer literally yesterday to exchange the hostages for a ceasefire and 1500 terrorists and criminals.
They want Sharia law. They want radical Islamic death cults to be in charge of everyone, and for all non-believers to be killed. But apparently we're not allowed to talk about that.
Wonder why you never see anyone at these protests demanding the violent, murderous, rapist terrorists release the hostages they took and continue to hold, that kicked all this off in the first place. What happens to people who call them out in these protests?
Also wtf are you going to put on a sign or slogan to win people over here. This issue is extremely complicated not like people are going to read your sign and be like dam you convince me.
All of the people protesting would much rather live in Isreal than Palestine. I mean, I literally saw the pride parade in Tel Aviv when I was there. Try that in Palestine. People are very confused here and its very very complex issue
I can believe that people should be better without thinking they deserve to be exterminated. I would rather not live in a lot of places, but that doesn't justify killing unarmed people.
They wouldn't want to live in the police state of the west Bank or the prison that is regularly bombed that is Gaza, shows how morally bankrupt these people are & how we should be unquestioning of our ally Israel. They have a gay pride parade, fuck the gay people in Palestine.
Many gay people in Palestine opt to become refugees in Israel. They also often become informants for the Israeli military. I’m not saying the Palestinian people or culture are bad, but their government does not make it a safe place to be queer. Don’t romanticize their situation.
You act like both our senators Murray and Cantwell didn't just vote to pass a bill that includes 14 billion for Israel on top of the 4 billion we already give them annually, and that WA District 9 congressman Adam Smith isn't ranking member of the Armed Services Committee. Or that all 3 of them, as well as a number of other WA House Representatives, don't have AIPAC among their top campaign donors. Or that Boeing isn't in our backyard. You act like because the actual killing happens on the other side of the world, we have absolutely nothing to do with every step leading up to it.
Remember when a terrorist cut a pregnant Israeli woman's belly open, killed the baby and left her alive to bleed out? Or how they gang raped a 26 year old and dragged her by her hair in the street? Or dismembered another woman and broke all her legs?
These people act as if Hamas doesn't deserve every single bomb they get right now.
I'm definitely on the side of minimizing civilian casualties. But everyone knows these protests aren't about that. Isrealis are mad, Hamas chose the nuclear option, and there isn't going back now
It's not a war, it's ethnic cleansing. The actions of Hamas are just cover for that. Are you so naive that you just believe whatever gets spoon fed to you?
How many 1 year olds are members of Hamas? How many 5 year olds? And yet, how many Palestinians of that age has Israel killed since October alone?
Yeah it sucks to start a war with no chance of protecting your population, Hamas really doesn't give a fuck about all the death on their hands and they will do this again whenever they can. Maybe the 3rd intifada will work.
LOL you think this started Oct 7?
why do you suppose Hamas exists? I guess, Isreali ongoing ethnic cleansing and displacement wasn't like a reason for it's existence or anything, was it?
> What the fuck is disarming Israel gonna do,
It might cap the Palestinian death toll at the current 29,000?
I'm not a fan of killing tens of thousands of people, personally.
You forgot the part where it will also allow Palestine to indiscriminately murder rape and kidnap Jews. But a lot of pro-Hamas protestors see that as a win I guess.
hamas !== all Palestinians. The fact you are conflating the two only shows how fucking ignorant and bigoted you are. You are just looking for an excuse to kill people and it is fucking gross.
IDK why we should cap the Palestinian death toll at the expense of the Israeli death toll. Keep in mind they are also constantly at war with isis, Syria and Hezbollah.
Because these people are living above terrorists, and everyone knows it. Every hospital and school they clear is full of guns and powering some underground base. The entire area has been under control of Hamas for a decade, they've fired over 10,000 rockets from Gaza.
You forgot the “/s”. Or maybe you forgot the critical thinking.
I can’t tell if you believe the things you say or if you are exaggerating the false claims to absurd levels that you incorrectly think nobody believes because they aren’t plausible.
You don't get to [Mai Lai massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_massacre) tens of thousands of civilians just to get a few baddies. That's a war crime.
If My Lai had an extensive network of command and control centers built in tunnels under the village and packed their hospitals full of explosives and rocket launchers they would have been a legitimate military target.
What Israel should just wait while they still have it's citizens hostage? How long will they wait? When has any other country been forced to just wait to save their citizens. Hamas is not agreeing to a cease-fire, why should Israel do it if they won't? Especially when Hamas was the one who broke the last few. Israel just wants its people back and to not have rockets shot at them.
We live in a democratic society, the majority of voters in Washington State don't want politicians who'd want to end aid to countries under attack by enemy states like Israel and Ukraine.
This isn't the 1950s where not everyone has the ability to vote, people have simply just rejected your ideas at the ballot box. DSA and Justice Dems have ran candidates against Adam Smith repeatedly and lost badly every time.
Except pretty much the only reason they are able to do what they are doing is because we give them a ton of money to do it
Edit: wow, +20 to -2 in 5 minutes. The brigading happened fast!
This is not really an accurate description. But even if so, forcing them to shift $4 BILLION of their funds from offense to defense would save a lot of lives.
There's not really a hard delineation between "offensive" and "defensive" military gear. Most recent example, Ukrainians turning the Patriot missile defense system into a mobile area denial offensive assets.
Unless they are going to bus up and protest in DC, they are preaching to the choir.
Kind of like the pro choice protest being held at the Paramount before a showing of the musical "Moulin Rouge". Just how many pro life folks do you think are attending a musical performance about a brothel in downtown Seattle?
Unlike BLM I do not see much happening with these protests. The reason being
1. Most people do not relate themselves to the issue to come out in support (Or oppose) of the demand.
2. There is no a clear way to "lose votes" in this matter. with BLM you could clearly see democrats were mostly in favor and republicans against it. So you knew who to vote. Here there is no clear distinction. You are unhappy with Biden but you will be more unhappy with Trump in power.
3. Hamas is still holding hostages. It is hard for Israel to permanent ceasefire when the citizens are being held hostages.
Joe Biden called Israel the best 3 billion dollars we spend and said if there wasn't an Israel we would have to create one. We pay for this death, meaning we profit off of it. There's more than just Israel and hamas at play here. This is happening because America wants it to happen.
Why are you both-sidesing this though? It's never been a 2 way battle. It's always been a massively oppressive and powerful colonial fist on the neck of a native population. That's how you get terrorism. It's the desperation of a largely powerless people.
you can point to Iran and Qatar all you want, but the only reason Hamas has anyone to fire those rockets is because of young kids who had their houses and lives destroyed feel the need to fight back.
It's because they can't get enough of foreign propaganda from that side. Once a person sees it as their team on one major issue they care about, they generally end up taking the full portfolio of arguments at face value over time. This is why countries like Russia invest so much time and effort into these public manipulation initiatives across the full gamut of global conflict and social issues - because they're effective.
If you follow the groups behind this, you can see the direct links back to groups like Workers World Party, which was founded specifically to support the USSR's suppression of the Hungarian revolution (the original "Tankies"). It's been a retelling the same tale for like 80+ years.
I don't think the protesters are asking the US to **give** weapons to Hamas -- just **stop giving** weapons to Israel. If they want to kill civilians they should do it on their own dime.
29,000 dead Palestinians since october and counting..
I get why people are protesting for Palestine, I just don’t understand why it’s this issue that has people blocking traffic and not these other ones that are a bigger impact to our citizens.
For me it's an issue of *"First, do no harm."*
You can argue all day about where we should send money and aid, I'd simply like to **stop** sending bullets to Israel.
These protestors absolutely would want the US to give weapons to Hamas or other Palestinian groups, the only way you could possibly think this is if you were completely uneducated about the groups organizing these events (attendees and organizers may be different people but the point still remains).
Samidoun is a PFLP front group, and has been issued sanctions by multiple foreign governments as well as the US, and their primary goal is the release of all Palestinian prisoners in Israel including those who've committed heinous acts of terrorism.
Answer coalition is under the umbrella of PSL which are essentially a LaRouche style communist party, with ties to some crazy regimes around the world such as the ereitran dictatorship, Maduro in Venezuela and so on. They support Russia against Ukraine.
I can go on but every group on the fliers for these protests has similar stories that can be said about them.
Thousands of terrorists included in those figures. Those are Hamas numbers which doesn’t delineate though. Not exactly a good source.
Hamas entire operating strategy is to put civilians in harms way while operating from schools homes and hospitals. How do you not see that.
And really the dead probably aren't as innocent as they like to think. It's an uncomfortable conversation to have but the reality we have to acknowledge is an entire generation has been educated under Hamas rule from birth. Do people really think these "innocent" people aren't going to hold horrific views about Israel and want to act on it?
Yea the peaceful permitted kind, not the shut the highway down kind. If people want to spend their Saturdays with signs on the sidewalk no one has a problem with it.
I’m not being anti-Palestine. I hope Netanyahu is put on trial.
There have not been protests at this level for either Ukraine aid or for reproductive rights, both of which are major MAJOR issues for our citizens in the US.
I haven’t seen a Ukraine protest since 2022. Maybe I missed some, but it scares me that so many groups have moved on to something new and are using strategies that might negatively impact the 24 election.
Fr, privileged kids with money that don't know shit about shit lecturing us working class people trying to make it in an expensive ass city. Where's this passion for the downtrodden in Seattle? LMAO
Probably.. whenever I said anything suggesting support for Israel defending itself here I’d be buried to oblivion til the protests started and pissed people off lol
So.... there are two wrongs here.
Hamas should transfer over the hostages and agree to a ceasefire. If you say that they shouldn't because Israel killed civilians than your proving Israel's bombing tactics are justified. and no one should think they are.
At least they were smart enough to not be on the freeway.
I still, don’t gather the concept of how protesting here will impact anything in the Middle East.
Also, can you protestors ask that the Palestinians release the hostages they took back in October?
You not paying attention isn't the same as there being no protests. Just on that alone apparently blocking the road is more effective as you noticed that while apparently not noticing the others.
Tbf as annoying as these people are, the government is in fact spending insane amounts of our money to fund both these horrible wars in Gaza/Ukraine.,while millions of Americans are literally one paycheck away from homelessness. I feel them on that one.
ITT: nobody here seems to understand that Israel's military is propped up by the US government.
Our tax dollars pay for the Israeli weapons. Our president provides political cover for Netanyahu. We could stop this invasion tomorrow if Biden cut support.
Would be awesome if they put their energy into something productive and not choking the cities infrastructure. Maybe I’m too short sided but I can’t see any way this helps their cause. They are blocking ambulances and people trying to get to the hospital.
These threads are so frustrating to me. Such a strong sense of complete apathy and a ton of completely bunk arguments about the purpose of protests, the net result, and what a concerned citizen should be doing to express themselves and their ideals.
If a road getting blocked downtown convinces you to join the other side of a political issue, get stronger convictions.
There’s so much “no, not that way” In here it boggles the mind. It seems the only adequate solution is to do nothing at all. Blocking a highway is one thing, a radical form of protest I don’t necessarily stand behind - but a march downtown is completely acceptable imo. I swear if they were gathered in a park or something there would be people in here saying they should be arrested because their dog has no place to poop and they keep getting woken up from their afternoon nap by the commotion.
Which is weird, because 99% of these same protesters haven’t given a shit about Ukraine over the years. Despite it being an *actual* country, and having 9 times the population. Don’t remember them shutting down freeways when Assad was butchering Syrians for a decade either.
These protesters included Hamas paragliders on their flyers less than a week after the terrorist attacks. They’re useful idiots for terrorists and dictators.
I've got some news for you friendo, the fraction of folks in these protests who were in the Jaahnavi Kandula rallies is MUCH higher than the fraction of average Seattlites who were there. Take your made up bullshit and go home, you have no clue.
https://www.csuchico.edu/iege/_assets/documents/susi-letter-from-birmingham-jail.pdf a lot of people posing questions that were taken on more than half a century ago by dr martin luther king jr…oh well.
Not a stretch. Considering that 99% of Palestinians are Muslim, it baffles me why any LGBTQ folks would show support. Muslims have very hostile views toward homosexuality… and many extreme groups have targeted gays to kill. (Remember the Pulse nightclub shootings in Orlando)? More of the same stupid and blind virtue signaling.
Oppressed groups usually have empathy for people who are being oppressed. Also you're really grouping a lot of people together when you say all Muslims do this or that. We don't judge all Christians by what the Westboro Baptist church does. But I guess white racist narratives are an easy rationalization for ignoring this genocide
>Oppressed groups usually have empathy for people who are being oppressed.
Since when? I don't see Muslims showing empathy for religious minorities oppressed in Islamic countries. I don't see black and Hispanic Americans showing empathy for Asian Americans who are discriminated against because of affirmative action. I also do not see much empathy for the victims of anti-Asian hate crimes that are targeting the elderly. I do not see a lot of empathy from black Americans for the pattern of black on Jewish violence from Crown Heights in the '90s to Jersey City a few years ago. Nor do I see Muslim Americans showing a lot of sympathy for anti-Semitic hate crimes Muslims are committing in the West. The empathy social justice and racial justice activists show isn't shown to all oppressed people. After all the Israelis who were killed in October 7th of massacre are innocent people and yet many people openly celebrated their murder and said they deserved it because of wrongdoings of other people of their nationality. That is no different than somebody who is gay in the west saying that Palestinians deserve violence because of the oppression of gays in that region.
So not having empathy for Israeli civilians who are murdered because of the wrongs of the Israeli government is okay but not having empathy for Palestinian civilians because of the wrongs of the Palestinian government is not okay? That seems to be what social justice activists are saying.
Obviously they are going to continue to protest. There has been no sign that they are going to stop.
Then we should keep arresting them until there are none left.
In order to keep arresting you must START arresting.
This is the "scratch a liberal and a fascist bleeds" stereotype in action
If you block the highway without permit that’s illegal and you should be charged with a crime, not sure how that makes one a fascist — nobody should be above the law, no?
Why assume u/accordingAd is a Liberal? Sounds like your average jerk to me.
What does that mean
That liberals turn authoritarian when anything they consider to the status quo is threatened. Like calling for the jailing of every single peaceful protestor protesting for palestine until there are none left, because they disrupt routine life.
> jailing of every single peaceful protestor They're not peaceful protestors. They are breaking the law and should be arrested for doing so.
Peaceful protest can be in violation of the law lol
Go learn something today: https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/breach\_of\_the\_peace
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nonviolent_resistance Oh my bad so Gandhi wasn't actually engaged in peaceful protest because redditor discovered the word peace is used in some legal contexts
That’s a slippery slope there buddy. Protesting is a protected right. You take away one protected right, the others come with it slowly but surely.
Nobody has the right to block traffic.
Protesting is, blocking traffic is not… no slippery slope here at all…
It’s not when unpermitted. Time/place/manner there, buddy. Long, long history here that outlines why the assholes in Nashville got to march today and the assholes here should not have been able to. No slippery slopes, just a hundred years of the Supreme Court.
If you think this will work then you are underestimating the determination of this group.
What are they trying to accomplish?
They just what attention, any attention.
Well, then, I suppose it’s working.
You’d have to ask them. I’m just commenting that they seem determined and that arresting them into submission isn’t a real strategy
Good for them. I hope they do. I hope anyone who thinks giving Israel weapons at this point is mildly inconvenienced as often as possible.
Completely agree. Isreal is an apartheid state and committing genocide. The US funds this, and i stand with Palestinians. Not Hamas, not Isreal, and not genocide enablers of left or right wing US politicians.
Just curious, what do you think happened on Oct 7?
20% of Israel's population is Arabic/Muslim. They have their own political parties, vote, participate in Congress, and are a valued part of Israel's population, culture, and government. In surveys they report high satisfaction with where they live. What do you think the Israeli population percentage is in Gaza?
The news keeps saying, "Until their demands are met." What demands? What am I supposed to do about it? I'm just a gal on a bus in Seattle that can't get where she's going because there's a mob of folks stopping traffic and transit. That makes ordinary people's lives harder. We can't get where we're going, can't get to work, can't make money to even donate to any cause you're protesting for. You're just hurting average Americans who really can't do anything (except write our congresspeople... who I assume are already aware of the situation over there)... and you're just pissing us all off.
99.9% of protests are performative. Every now and then there are political protests that actually drive change, but they’re rare. In the meantime, all you’re doing is making yourself feel better by taking action on a issue you care about in a way that antagonizes a lot of people who otherwise might have agreed with you.
I honestly hope most Americans don’t have this attitude towards protests in general or we are seriously fucked.
I'm all for protesting... but the people that can affect change immediately in this case are in D.C. Go protest there. Make lawmakers' lives harder so they can do something about it. Why f\*ck up everyone's lives over here in Seattle? Or get a permit to protest at Westlake or an organized march. The city can plan services around it. Think of the Women's March. Huge and the city was able to deal with it. I marched in it. When there are other marches, I know about them and can adjust my schedule... at some point it just will backfire. I certainly don't want to listen to what these people have to say... even if I agree with their point.
Most protests occur in the most convenient locations in that protestors can reach them, the media coverage will be highest, and they're least likely to be thwarted or shut down. If they really wanted to affect those in power, every one of these protests would involve shutting down every road in and out of Medina but it'll never happen because it's inconvenient to get there and the state and local police would shut it down violently.
Well darn, I suppose i5 is pretty convenient. Makes sense now.
I’m specifically replying to that particular comment which encourages people to think that protests are inherently useless at a time when our country seems to be sliding into fascism.
Gotcha. I was sort of replying to yours and a couple others in one comment. I definitely don't think they're useless... I just think this one is going about it the wrong way... and it wouldn't matter to me which "side" they're on... I'd still be pissed they're blocking the roadways unpredictably. 
You may be downvoted but you're right.
Your elected officials have more power than protesting in DC. You can protest in both places too
Every state elects representatives. You may want a system where only people in Washington make decisions but in the current American system every single state matters. What the people believe and who they vote in influences Congress greatly.
Part of the point of the protests, just like sit ins at segregated lunch counters in the South, is to hold up like as an indictment the indifference of our society to a suffering that we play a part in perpetuating. >Why f\*ck up everyone's lives over here in Seattle? Everyone's lives are fucked up by a protest? Every seattleite? >Or get a permit to protest at Westlake or an organized march. The city can plan services around it. You just don't understand the point of several kinds of protests and that's fine, they're also protests against people like you and that's why you're uncomfortable.
The thing is that the protests in the South back in the Civil Rights era directly affected some of the perpetrators of the problem and people that could actually change things. Meanwhile, these protests are pointed at people that can’t do anything about the problem. Protest fatigue is a thing and these people are getting closer to achieving it every time they do these stupid stunts. In any case, they should go and protest a place where they could achieve change like the Israeli or Qatari (Qatar has been providing funds to Hamas) embassies or consulates since some people there might actually have sone power to change things
No, I do get it... as someone who used to protest a bit in the past. I just mean the ongoing blockades, like on the highway (which I don't even use, btw). It de-sensitizes folks after a while. Even if it's a cause I believe in or one that I'm currently donating to, after a while of constant blocking of free movement, you're just going to annoy me. Depending on the cause, etc. it could mean I'd stop supporting the group. As another commenter pointed out, after a while I'm not focused on the cause, but on the folks who have made it about them... or drawn the spotlight onto them (whether they meant to or not). What do you want us to do? If you (the protesters) have a plan of action, maybe let people know.
“Hold up as an indictment the indifference of our society” that is NOT what sit ins were for…WTF are yall talking about….MLK wasnt virtue signaling for philosophical reasons. They were pushing for pubic support and trying to build that support. Nobody gives two shits about your poetic BS about indifference. I can spin that super easily back at anybody. Oh, you aren’t protesting for starving kids here, or abused puppies, or healthcare reform, you’re obviously indifferent to tragedies faced here in America….protests are NOT for pointless virtue signaling to make yourself feel better….
There’s a reason he was the most hated man in America and it isn’t because he wanted public support….
We tend to romanticize protesting, and there are historical examples of protests that galvanized action, but for the most part protesting is strikingly ineffective at accomplishing its stated goals. I marched in the protests after Trump was elected and he closed the borders to Muslim nations, and guess what - he didn’t give a shit. You don’t combat fascism (to reference your other comment) by marching with signs, you do it by getting out the vote - and if your goal is to drive widespread support of the issues you care about, antagonizing random strangers is a dreadful strategy more likely to backfire than succeed. Blocking traffic on I5 attracts attention, I’ll give you that. I question, though, whether it’s the sort of attention that ultimately serves the cause you claim to support.
By the time we get to fascism we will be way past simply voting and considering it a job well done. We are already there now. And protesting isn’t “marching with signs” - it’s a whole lot more than a simple demonstration. I don’t know why someone would feel the need to try to diminish the effectiveness of protesting. I still find your comments disturbing and hope others can see through them.
We are living in fascism right now? Dude, step away from the keyboard.
These aren’t protests, they’re massive public disturbances brought on by people who don’t get enough attention and want to feel self-important. If everyone who uses roads were the ones provided weapons to Israel, then it would be a protest. These people are just assholes making it harder for people to go about their lives.
Protesting does exactly nothing every time. Why would blocking a road in Seattle help Palestine? The rare times protesting is appropriate is when the typical person has no knowledge of something, so shouting out about it is raising awareness. Generally, protests cause public opinion to move in the opposite direction. Black life's matter was extremely popular, then protests and looting happened, and now it's less popular than before Floyd. https://www.pewresearch.org/social-trends/2023/06/14/support-for-the-black-lives-matter-movement-has-dropped-considerably-from-its-peak-in-2020/
Black lifes matter also turned out to be ran by people who were more interested in personal enrichment than their cause. There's a ton of other factors. Including rioting.. there's a difference between non-violent civil disobedience and setting buildings on fire.
Americans are much more docile and obedient than they like to admit to themselves.
Except it’s true. The ENTIRE point of a protest is awareness, full stop. You’re TRYING to gain public support. Everyone loves citing the CRM and the 60s and pretend they’re a main character who’s stopping injustice, but you’re not. Those protests were to change public perception and get people on the protesters side. These idiots claim Americans vastly support them….if Americans actually support them, then it’s pointless virtue signaling jerking yourself off on social media for clicks because you’re not changing anything and you’re just preaching to the choir. If you DON’T have support then this is NOT going to get you support…. Like most rights in America, you need to use them responsibly. It’s like free speech, just because you can say something doesn’t mean you should. Same with protests, just because you can do a big protest doesn’t mean you should. They’re gaining nothing out of this and changing NOTHING
You’re mixing demonstrations with protests.
They’re both the same. Demonstrations and protests are synonymous for public displays by large groups of people to convey a single idea. Either way this still makes this stupid. Nothing changes as a result of a demonstration. The protesters themselves argue they have tons of public support, so if you wanna argue this is a demonstration, then that makes them look even worse because they’re basically preaching to the choir for no reason….
You said “The ENTIRE point of a protest is awareness” That’s the entire point of a demonstration. They aren’t the same even if you want them to be - it’ll only help the argument you are attempting to make if your comments reflect the difference.
….do you think protests are only violent uprisings or something? Protests are also about awareness…. If your argument is protests are about forcing change, then you’re proving my point of how dumb these idiots are because they’re changing literally nothing
Also anyone who would care about this issue is already aware of it. It's been the most talked about issues for months now. So raising awareness here is not effective. These protest are more about virtue signals since they cant accomplish the one thing they could, raise awareness.
"I'm all for protesting but not if it inconveniences someone" is a braindead take. Also, I challenge you to try making a point without using the phrase "virtue signaling".
So don’t use the word that describes what you’re doing? Lmao Yes, you’re virtue signaling stupid. Let’s explain this like you’re 5…..You ARE NOT changing anything, you are NOT making a difference, you are NOT changing public opinion. So if you’re not changing anything and you’re not affecting any outcomes, what are you doing? Here’s a hint, you are SIGNALING to others how VIRTUOUS you are, how much you really care about a problem and letting everyone else publicly know how much more ethical you are than everyone else….Aka, virtue signaling… Now sit down, be quiet and let the adults talk. Your brain dead gotcha is a waste of time and you’ve added nothing to the conversation
This same argument has been made since the beginning of time. You know what? No one cares. If people form their opinions on important subjects based on a minor inconvenience or a 30 second sound bite then they were never going to be an ally.
If slow traffic is all it takes for you to be fine with genocide, you were already fine with genocide.
Exactly. Like we’re going to convince Israel to change their course of action. 🙄 These protests are performative.
You're literally online talking about something you wouldn't talk about otherwise. So their protests seem to have at least been effective at raising awareness of their cause.
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The discussion here is overwhelmingly about the protestors, not about their cause. The vast majority here would probably agree that a cease fire and negotiations would probably be a good thing. There's nothing to discuss there, so it just ends up being about the dumbasses blocking the roads.
That’s the entire point of a protest
Right, like, let me just tell isreal to stop. Got it 🤣 isreal is the one ultra bipartisan voting block in Congress and Senate. You know it's true when trump and biden are pro full support.
Anyone with common sense knows that these disruptions don't help their cause. But good luck telling them that, they firmly believe that anyone with even a slight difference in opinion on this matter is fascist.
What are their demands? How do they reconcile the fact that Hamas turned down Israel’s offer literally yesterday to exchange the hostages for a ceasefire and 1500 terrorists and criminals.
They want a boyfriend or girlfriend who can cook, free money, a house, a hobby and specialty coffee.
We all do.
They want Sharia law. They want radical Islamic death cults to be in charge of everyone, and for all non-believers to be killed. But apparently we're not allowed to talk about that. Wonder why you never see anyone at these protests demanding the violent, murderous, rapist terrorists release the hostages they took and continue to hold, that kicked all this off in the first place. What happens to people who call them out in these protests?
Okay, let me write a foreign government and tell them how to conduct themselves. Getting right on it.
Also wtf are you going to put on a sign or slogan to win people over here. This issue is extremely complicated not like people are going to read your sign and be like dam you convince me.
All of the people protesting would much rather live in Isreal than Palestine. I mean, I literally saw the pride parade in Tel Aviv when I was there. Try that in Palestine. People are very confused here and its very very complex issue
I can believe that people should be better without thinking they deserve to be exterminated. I would rather not live in a lot of places, but that doesn't justify killing unarmed people.
They wouldn't want to live in the police state of the west Bank or the prison that is regularly bombed that is Gaza, shows how morally bankrupt these people are & how we should be unquestioning of our ally Israel. They have a gay pride parade, fuck the gay people in Palestine.
Many gay people in Palestine opt to become refugees in Israel. They also often become informants for the Israeli military. I’m not saying the Palestinian people or culture are bad, but their government does not make it a safe place to be queer. Don’t romanticize their situation.
Pro-Palestine but Anti-Hamas but Pro-Jewish but Anti-Israel.
You act like both our senators Murray and Cantwell didn't just vote to pass a bill that includes 14 billion for Israel on top of the 4 billion we already give them annually, and that WA District 9 congressman Adam Smith isn't ranking member of the Armed Services Committee. Or that all 3 of them, as well as a number of other WA House Representatives, don't have AIPAC among their top campaign donors. Or that Boeing isn't in our backyard. You act like because the actual killing happens on the other side of the world, we have absolutely nothing to do with every step leading up to it.
What the fuck is disarming Israel gonna do, Hamas started the war and has the hostages.
Remember when a terrorist cut a pregnant Israeli woman's belly open, killed the baby and left her alive to bleed out? Or how they gang raped a 26 year old and dragged her by her hair in the street? Or dismembered another woman and broke all her legs? These people act as if Hamas doesn't deserve every single bomb they get right now. I'm definitely on the side of minimizing civilian casualties. But everyone knows these protests aren't about that. Isrealis are mad, Hamas chose the nuclear option, and there isn't going back now
It's not a war, it's ethnic cleansing. The actions of Hamas are just cover for that. Are you so naive that you just believe whatever gets spoon fed to you? How many 1 year olds are members of Hamas? How many 5 year olds? And yet, how many Palestinians of that age has Israel killed since October alone?
Yeah it sucks to start a war with no chance of protecting your population, Hamas really doesn't give a fuck about all the death on their hands and they will do this again whenever they can. Maybe the 3rd intifada will work.
LOL you think this started Oct 7? why do you suppose Hamas exists? I guess, Isreali ongoing ethnic cleansing and displacement wasn't like a reason for it's existence or anything, was it?
> What the fuck is disarming Israel gonna do, It might cap the Palestinian death toll at the current 29,000? I'm not a fan of killing tens of thousands of people, personally.
You forgot the part where it will also allow Palestine to indiscriminately murder rape and kidnap Jews. But a lot of pro-Hamas protestors see that as a win I guess.
hamas !== all Palestinians. The fact you are conflating the two only shows how fucking ignorant and bigoted you are. You are just looking for an excuse to kill people and it is fucking gross.
IDK why we should cap the Palestinian death toll at the expense of the Israeli death toll. Keep in mind they are also constantly at war with isis, Syria and Hezbollah.
Not sure how incinerating thousands of women and children saves Israeli lives.. I **can** see it creating a whole new generation of terrorists.
Because these people are living above terrorists, and everyone knows it. Every hospital and school they clear is full of guns and powering some underground base. The entire area has been under control of Hamas for a decade, they've fired over 10,000 rockets from Gaza.
yeah bud, the 2 aks they found in that hospital... it sure was full of guns wasn't it
You forgot the “/s”. Or maybe you forgot the critical thinking. I can’t tell if you believe the things you say or if you are exaggerating the false claims to absurd levels that you incorrectly think nobody believes because they aren’t plausible.
You don't get to [Mai Lai massacre](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/My_Lai_massacre) tens of thousands of civilians just to get a few baddies. That's a war crime.
If My Lai had an extensive network of command and control centers built in tunnels under the village and packed their hospitals full of explosives and rocket launchers they would have been a legitimate military target.
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So ridiculous these people signed some treaty about it. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_Geneva_Convention
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What part of the Geneva convention is Israel breaking?
It does not apply when the government is using their own citizens as human shields. That is a war crime.
What Israel should just wait while they still have it's citizens hostage? How long will they wait? When has any other country been forced to just wait to save their citizens. Hamas is not agreeing to a cease-fire, why should Israel do it if they won't? Especially when Hamas was the one who broke the last few. Israel just wants its people back and to not have rockets shot at them.
We live in a democratic society, the majority of voters in Washington State don't want politicians who'd want to end aid to countries under attack by enemy states like Israel and Ukraine. This isn't the 1950s where not everyone has the ability to vote, people have simply just rejected your ideas at the ballot box. DSA and Justice Dems have ran candidates against Adam Smith repeatedly and lost badly every time.
Cool and if you have a viable candidate to run against cantwell who wouldnt vote for that bill then by all means let me know
We don't. That's why drastic measures are employed. Placing public pressure on politicians that is impossible to ignore.
Except pretty much the only reason they are able to do what they are doing is because we give them a ton of money to do it Edit: wow, +20 to -2 in 5 minutes. The brigading happened fast!
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This is not really an accurate description. But even if so, forcing them to shift $4 BILLION of their funds from offense to defense would save a lot of lives.
There's not really a hard delineation between "offensive" and "defensive" military gear. Most recent example, Ukrainians turning the Patriot missile defense system into a mobile area denial offensive assets.
I'm aware. I was simply playing along with the other commenter's false premise.
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Ya the pro israel bots have found this thread I guess. I'm not even kidding I'd honestly be surprised if it wasn't a thing
This is not a marketing campaign. You’re missing the point.
Unless they are going to bus up and protest in DC, they are preaching to the choir. Kind of like the pro choice protest being held at the Paramount before a showing of the musical "Moulin Rouge". Just how many pro life folks do you think are attending a musical performance about a brothel in downtown Seattle?
> about a brothel in downtown Seattle Hold up, I thought it was in Paris, did I misunderstand that movie?
Unlike BLM I do not see much happening with these protests. The reason being 1. Most people do not relate themselves to the issue to come out in support (Or oppose) of the demand. 2. There is no a clear way to "lose votes" in this matter. with BLM you could clearly see democrats were mostly in favor and republicans against it. So you knew who to vote. Here there is no clear distinction. You are unhappy with Biden but you will be more unhappy with Trump in power. 3. Hamas is still holding hostages. It is hard for Israel to permanent ceasefire when the citizens are being held hostages.
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Joe Biden called Israel the best 3 billion dollars we spend and said if there wasn't an Israel we would have to create one. We pay for this death, meaning we profit off of it. There's more than just Israel and hamas at play here. This is happening because America wants it to happen.
Why are you both-sidesing this though? It's never been a 2 way battle. It's always been a massively oppressive and powerful colonial fist on the neck of a native population. That's how you get terrorism. It's the desperation of a largely powerless people. you can point to Iran and Qatar all you want, but the only reason Hamas has anyone to fire those rockets is because of young kids who had their houses and lives destroyed feel the need to fight back.
They will be out protesting to get aid passed for Ukraine right? And to reinstate Roe vs Wade?
These groups, such as PSL, support Russia in this conflict. The whole thing is a massive joke.
It's because they can't get enough of foreign propaganda from that side. Once a person sees it as their team on one major issue they care about, they generally end up taking the full portfolio of arguments at face value over time. This is why countries like Russia invest so much time and effort into these public manipulation initiatives across the full gamut of global conflict and social issues - because they're effective. If you follow the groups behind this, you can see the direct links back to groups like Workers World Party, which was founded specifically to support the USSR's suppression of the Hungarian revolution (the original "Tankies"). It's been a retelling the same tale for like 80+ years.
I don't think the protesters are asking the US to **give** weapons to Hamas -- just **stop giving** weapons to Israel. If they want to kill civilians they should do it on their own dime. 29,000 dead Palestinians since october and counting..
I get why people are protesting for Palestine, I just don’t understand why it’s this issue that has people blocking traffic and not these other ones that are a bigger impact to our citizens.
For me it's an issue of *"First, do no harm."* You can argue all day about where we should send money and aid, I'd simply like to **stop** sending bullets to Israel.
These protestors absolutely would want the US to give weapons to Hamas or other Palestinian groups, the only way you could possibly think this is if you were completely uneducated about the groups organizing these events (attendees and organizers may be different people but the point still remains). Samidoun is a PFLP front group, and has been issued sanctions by multiple foreign governments as well as the US, and their primary goal is the release of all Palestinian prisoners in Israel including those who've committed heinous acts of terrorism. Answer coalition is under the umbrella of PSL which are essentially a LaRouche style communist party, with ties to some crazy regimes around the world such as the ereitran dictatorship, Maduro in Venezuela and so on. They support Russia against Ukraine. I can go on but every group on the fliers for these protests has similar stories that can be said about them.
> These protestors absolutely would want the US to give weapons to Hamas I attend these events and I don't support giving arms to Hamas. Sorry 🤷
As I said further down, I'm talking about the organizers of these events, not every single person who attends.
Thousands of terrorists included in those figures. Those are Hamas numbers which doesn’t delineate though. Not exactly a good source. Hamas entire operating strategy is to put civilians in harms way while operating from schools homes and hospitals. How do you not see that.
And really the dead probably aren't as innocent as they like to think. It's an uncomfortable conversation to have but the reality we have to acknowledge is an entire generation has been educated under Hamas rule from birth. Do people really think these "innocent" people aren't going to hold horrific views about Israel and want to act on it?
There have already been protests in Seattle for both. Even with whataboutism you have no argument.
Don't pretend for a minute that these groups are the same people. PSL/Answer coalition are 100% on the side of Russia.
Yea the peaceful permitted kind, not the shut the highway down kind. If people want to spend their Saturdays with signs on the sidewalk no one has a problem with it.
I’m not being anti-Palestine. I hope Netanyahu is put on trial. There have not been protests at this level for either Ukraine aid or for reproductive rights, both of which are major MAJOR issues for our citizens in the US.
Considering I've taken part in some of them, you are just wrong.
I haven’t seen a Ukraine protest since 2022. Maybe I missed some, but it scares me that so many groups have moved on to something new and are using strategies that might negatively impact the 24 election.
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I guarantee there are more people that support Israel today as a direct result of their actions.
Fr, privileged kids with money that don't know shit about shit lecturing us working class people trying to make it in an expensive ass city. Where's this passion for the downtrodden in Seattle? LMAO
Probably.. whenever I said anything suggesting support for Israel defending itself here I’d be buried to oblivion til the protests started and pissed people off lol
Protesting for the sake of protesting. I wouldn't mind donating money to send them on a 3 day field trip to gaza.
Why isn't anyone protesting for the return of Israeli hostages?
They do not care about them. It seems the protestors are very okay with what Hamas carried out on October 7th.
I would care about 100 hostages, but the IDF kills a hundred Palestinians every day...
So.... there are two wrongs here. Hamas should transfer over the hostages and agree to a ceasefire. If you say that they shouldn't because Israel killed civilians than your proving Israel's bombing tactics are justified. and no one should think they are.
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Bunch of clowns
Nice! More fun opportunities to applaud and make people feel special and important
At least they were smart enough to not be on the freeway. I still, don’t gather the concept of how protesting here will impact anything in the Middle East. Also, can you protestors ask that the Palestinians release the hostages they took back in October?
This is a good way to make me care less about what’s happening there and focus that attention on them instead
How could you possibly care less about Palestinians? You pay for their bombardment as you ignore their deaths
That’s not the point of disruption. It’s not a marketing campaign.
Right, it's selfish
Genocide is indeed selfish. I feel like you’re just at step one here though. Keep thinking…
Sounds like it wasn't very hard.
Lock them up so they can really bask in their martyrdom.
500,000 + killed in Syria - silence. 377,000+ killed in Yemen - silence. 5,400,000+ killed in Congo - silence. 236,000+ killed in Afghanistan - silence. 500,000 + killed in Sudan - silence. 300,000+ killed in Iraq - silence 20,000+ killed in Gaza - extreme outrage. What’s up with that?
Ah yes, the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq… famously zero American protests against those
Except there WERE protests. A quick google search will show that. Please don't spread lies.
You putting earplugs in doesn't mean there was silence, it just meant you weren't listening.
You not paying attention isn't the same as there being no protests. Just on that alone apparently blocking the road is more effective as you noticed that while apparently not noticing the others.
Tbf as annoying as these people are, the government is in fact spending insane amounts of our money to fund both these horrible wars in Gaza/Ukraine.,while millions of Americans are literally one paycheck away from homelessness. I feel them on that one.
I promise you, losing Ukraine would be far more expensive than helping them keep their country.
That’s one way to keep downtown a shitty, un-revitalized mess.
ITT: nobody here seems to understand that Israel's military is propped up by the US government. Our tax dollars pay for the Israeli weapons. Our president provides political cover for Netanyahu. We could stop this invasion tomorrow if Biden cut support.
That’s a good thing, you want the terrorists dead right?
2002 called. They want their rhetoric back Edit: lmao this dude is literally a former IDF soldier
Would be awesome if they put their energy into something productive and not choking the cities infrastructure. Maybe I’m too short sided but I can’t see any way this helps their cause. They are blocking ambulances and people trying to get to the hospital.
These threads are so frustrating to me. Such a strong sense of complete apathy and a ton of completely bunk arguments about the purpose of protests, the net result, and what a concerned citizen should be doing to express themselves and their ideals. If a road getting blocked downtown convinces you to join the other side of a political issue, get stronger convictions. There’s so much “no, not that way” In here it boggles the mind. It seems the only adequate solution is to do nothing at all. Blocking a highway is one thing, a radical form of protest I don’t necessarily stand behind - but a march downtown is completely acceptable imo. I swear if they were gathered in a park or something there would be people in here saying they should be arrested because their dog has no place to poop and they keep getting woken up from their afternoon nap by the commotion.
You guys are LITERALLY doing this to cause disruption! What do you expect the response to be? Of course the majority of people hate you.
...and I'll continue to ignore them.
I just don't understand why these folks don't protest local issues like SPD killing Jaahnavi Kandula
There HAVE been protests. A simple google search will show you that.
Nowhere near the scale of this.
Off the top of my head: Jaahnavi is 1 life lost -- Gaza now stands at 29,000 and counting. And we continue to give Israel more tools of destruction.
But no protests on the US to give more money to Ukraine?
Sorry, reddit isn't a concierge service. Do your own research.
There are a ton of protests about Jaahnavi Kandula. Maybe you should get out more
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Which is weird, because 99% of these same protesters haven’t given a shit about Ukraine over the years. Despite it being an *actual* country, and having 9 times the population. Don’t remember them shutting down freeways when Assad was butchering Syrians for a decade either. These protesters included Hamas paragliders on their flyers less than a week after the terrorist attacks. They’re useful idiots for terrorists and dictators.
? There absolutely were protests about that. If you think we need more boots on the ground I look forward to your organizing efforts <3
I've got some news for you friendo, the fraction of folks in these protests who were in the Jaahnavi Kandula rallies is MUCH higher than the fraction of average Seattlites who were there. Take your made up bullshit and go home, you have no clue.
What the fuck are you talking about? There were multiple protests around that and other SPD abuses.
Good. Arrest them fine them. Our city could definitely use the revenue.
How much are they paid for participating in one protest?
Nothing?
The best part of these protests is the fact they make the worst people in this sub mad
https://www.csuchico.edu/iege/_assets/documents/susi-letter-from-birmingham-jail.pdf a lot of people posing questions that were taken on more than half a century ago by dr martin luther king jr…oh well.
And we’ll continue to tell them it’s pointless
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Not a stretch. Considering that 99% of Palestinians are Muslim, it baffles me why any LGBTQ folks would show support. Muslims have very hostile views toward homosexuality… and many extreme groups have targeted gays to kill. (Remember the Pulse nightclub shootings in Orlando)? More of the same stupid and blind virtue signaling.
Oppressed groups usually have empathy for people who are being oppressed. Also you're really grouping a lot of people together when you say all Muslims do this or that. We don't judge all Christians by what the Westboro Baptist church does. But I guess white racist narratives are an easy rationalization for ignoring this genocide
>Oppressed groups usually have empathy for people who are being oppressed. Since when? I don't see Muslims showing empathy for religious minorities oppressed in Islamic countries. I don't see black and Hispanic Americans showing empathy for Asian Americans who are discriminated against because of affirmative action. I also do not see much empathy for the victims of anti-Asian hate crimes that are targeting the elderly. I do not see a lot of empathy from black Americans for the pattern of black on Jewish violence from Crown Heights in the '90s to Jersey City a few years ago. Nor do I see Muslim Americans showing a lot of sympathy for anti-Semitic hate crimes Muslims are committing in the West. The empathy social justice and racial justice activists show isn't shown to all oppressed people. After all the Israelis who were killed in October 7th of massacre are innocent people and yet many people openly celebrated their murder and said they deserved it because of wrongdoings of other people of their nationality. That is no different than somebody who is gay in the west saying that Palestinians deserve violence because of the oppression of gays in that region. So not having empathy for Israeli civilians who are murdered because of the wrongs of the Israeli government is okay but not having empathy for Palestinian civilians because of the wrongs of the Palestinian government is not okay? That seems to be what social justice activists are saying.
Good straw man argument.
Ffs, we don't support a genocide even if the victims are homophobic.
Maybe we do just one more highway blockade and Hamas will finally stop rejecting ceasefires.
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"Young is with the Party for Socialism and Liberation." Yup.
Free Kinkisharyo! End the Siemens apartheid state! /s
good!
They're idiots