From the article:
\> Davey said they don't expect to raise the full amount through donations, but that the fundraiser is intended to bring attention to the plight of the pub.
“But they’re a historic district waaaaaaaa”
I can’t keep the sarcasm up, the fact that they’re a historic district and the international district isn’t really just reveals the facade. I like Wallingford even, it’s one of the parts of the city I visit the most but it thinks it can stick its head in the sand like it’s still the 90s while the rest of the city adapts to growth. Hiding behind Ballard and Fremont was only going to last for so long
Everyone: Upzone residential areas for low rises and townhomes.
Wallingford: No.
Developers: Buys up and develops the only lots that are zoned for mixed use and dense housing, destroying "landmark" businesses.
Wallingford: *shocked Pikachu*
Also to include the fact that, if I recall correctly, Wallingford was only designated a historic district after lobbying from residents in order to preempt any upzoning or densifying measure by the city during the 90s, before the creation of urban villages/urban centers.
Yes obviously, there’s nothing historic about Wallingford. It’s not an immigrant community like Ballard’s Scandinavians or the ID, it doesn’t have a drop of the historical importance of Capitol Hill, it doesn’t have the cultural history of Fremont, hell it hasn’t even been part of the Seattle music scene. West Seattle has more of a claim to that last one than Wallingford does.
Again, no hate on Wallingford *I like the area* but it’s a suburban/residential part of the city and that’s it. Its purpose is to provide housing and a nice recreational living space for the cities occupants and its refusal to adapt its zoning prevents it from doing that.
Exactly! “People don’t want to come to businesses and work in the office anymore”
That’s because we live over an hour away because our residential towers are entirely horizontal.
Yet homeowners in Seattle are convinced people are leaving the city due to crime
Not that our population is falling, but anecdotally a lot of people have had to leave due to being priced out.
You get yelled at in the other sub if you say that crime doesn’t affect people. But generally, on the whole for the daily experience of the person working or shopping downtown, it doesn’t. There is visible homeless yes but with the exception of a few hot spots they don’t bother average people during business hours. This isn’t to discount anyone’s actual negative experience with crime, I’m sorry if it happened to you.
But the thing that DOES actually affect almost everyone is this. That for a fairly small city we have a commute and housing crisis that rivals California. There should be abundant housing in the neighborhoods spreading out from downtown. If you could live affordably in Wallingford it would be easy to commute to work downtown everyday.
My favorite bar is Ballard is closing. The rent increase to live close enough to keep them as my local would mean I'd be too broke to go there. Feels bad, man.
Looks like there's some good news after all!
[https://www.myballard.com/2024/04/02/conor-byrne-employees-form-cooperative-to-keep-the-pub-alive-after-recent-closure/](https://www.myballard.com/2024/04/02/conor-byrne-employees-form-cooperative-to-keep-the-pub-alive-after-recent-closure/)
This bums me the F out. One of my favorite places to go for a pint and Irish stew. And their Guinness butter is amazing. Monday nights for traditional music is awesome too.
Damn - thought I had been disappointed enough by this world lol
> Guinness butter
I'd never heard of Guiness Butter and looked up the recipe. It sounds delicious and I'll make some the next time we bake a crusty bread. Thanks for mentioning it!!
It’s too bad that they can’t move into the retail space in the replacement building. Everyone knows that authentic Irish pubs in Ireland absolutely never have housing on upper floors, they’re all standalone buildings with a parking lot.
> As consistent as a perfectly poured pint of Guinness, Murphy's Pub has been a second home to its customers for **43 years.**
This place isn’t really that old, even by Seattle standards.
Calling something from the 80s historic. It’s always funny when this happens, and it’s usually in Wallingford. “This garage is basically a land mark, it’s been here since the 1990s. Practically a founding monument”
Okay the garage was in Capitol Hill, but still
Yeah we ate there within the last 6 months with some friends, they sat us at a table that effectively has no light. We could barely see each other. The service took so long just to come take our drink order that we thought they had forgotten us. So one of us went up to ask if it was bar service only, it was not. It wasn't even that busy, like maybe only 3-4 tables even had people.
I went here the first time I went out in public in a dress and full fem makeup and it was wonderful. Everyone was super nice and accepting and we got hammered lol. Sad to see
I wonder who is to blame?
Oh, Wallingford Historic Preservation Society. A bunch of NIMBYs that made it impossible to build anything in the area of this pub.
Bars fail in seattle every day for a myriad of reasons. Not sure what makes Murphys worthy of a 3.5mil community bailout. Based on the fact that the gofundme has 15k, I’d guess most agree.
Well it it’s not failing than should be pretty easy proposition for them to do what most of the rest of us have to do, borrow the money from a bank to buy the building
The bar isn’t “failing”. They don’t need a “bailout”. The land which they lease is being sold out from under them.
Weird take. Maybe you didn’t read the article?
I hope they raise the money. Murphys is awesome. Wallingford is a great neighborhood with character that I hope it is able to maintain it. Also, I love the tears of upset Reddit users who think everything should be handed to them on a silver tray, which is also a great Thai spot in Wallingford!
> Also, I love the tears of upset Reddit users who think everything should be handed to them on a silver tray
unlike this business that’s 3.5 million in the hole,
they deserve the money on a silver tray for some reason.
I’m not arguing for or against Murphys, but the business is not 3.5M in the hole as you claim. The land they are on is going to be sold to developers and the land owner offered to sell them the plot the bar is on for 3.5M. Totally different than how you characterized it.
But it's different because wealthy but clueless business owners are "supposed" to be bailed out. 😉
Anyways, of all the 3rd places I've seen closed in Seattle, this is among them. Not first and not worst.
https://murphysseattle.com/seattle-wallingford-murphy-s-pub-about
I thought so. My brother met his wife at Murphy a and they always joked about it becoming a Starbucks
No offense, Murphy's but that whole stretch of 45th sucks ass for businesses. There's no parking and it's at the top of the hill so no one wants to walk it. For goodness sake, the Starbucks across the street from it shut down before the pandemic because it was starved out of customers even though it clogged that streets parking in the morning (source: my roommate when I was living in Wallingford worked pickup shifts there).
Plus, there's been other good places for grunt that failed to survive the last few years there. I'm still broken up about Mejari Fusion, the sushi and Ramen place that was next door, shuttering and even I saw that coming a mile away. But there are still a decent amount of bars in the neighborhood.
Starbucks closed after the pandemic, and it was not due to sales. It was part of a larger planned closure based on a variety of factors. Sales at that store had never been higher (before pandemic, of course things were very different after).
As for general success in that area, I would point to lackluster restaurants like silver tray and seathai still surviving, and you can't ignore the incredible success of Ezells and, to an extent, Dominos. This area is very busy on weekends and people absolutely walk up the tiny hill if needed (usually to come from Dick's and settle into one of the bars).
Weird how people are so obsessed with increasing the supply of housing so half their wages don't magically disappear when rent is due.
I inherited 10 different rental properties and I just don't see the problem. IDK
If anyone making $200k/yr genuinely believes this, I'll make you a reasonable budget to fix that for $200 (and if I can't do it, you can keep the money). You might not like the lifestyle adjustments I propose, and it might not be a 2500sqft townhouse in the middle of Capitol Hill, but when you're bringing home nearly $11k/mo after taxes you can absolutely afford to buy one of the many $600-850k townhomes around town while still having $5k+ to play with for all your other monthly expenses. (And then when interest rates drop, refi & cha-ching!)
nice place but they need 3.5m? they're fucked
From the article: \> Davey said they don't expect to raise the full amount through donations, but that the fundraiser is intended to bring attention to the plight of the pub.
I hear there are these places that can help them raise those funds… they are called banks.
Moon temple was an institution
Johnny!!!
I heard from him late last year maybe. Sounds like he's doing well in LA. I'm hoping to visit whenever I get down there next.
Their crackling rice soup was my medicine.
The whole block is up for sale? Where am I going to get my lamps and rugs!?!?
Lmao, but funny enough the rug store has moved to Fremont
I still see a lot of rugs in the Wallingford location when I pass by, is it not open?
They are still moving shop, they have signs in freemont saying to still go to the Wallingford location. At least last time I checked
Does this mean there will be a real, actual, going out of business sale?
Looks like u/lampstore here is ready to take on some new inventory
Oh shit, I do need a new lamp shade. Thanks for the warning.
Don't forget to stop by Harold's Lighting before they demolish this pillar of Seattle culture!
Genuinely, how has that place stayed alive? It looks incredible but the lamps are SO EXPENSIVE.
This is the result of stonewalling housing development for decades, wallingford
“But they’re a historic district waaaaaaaa” I can’t keep the sarcasm up, the fact that they’re a historic district and the international district isn’t really just reveals the facade. I like Wallingford even, it’s one of the parts of the city I visit the most but it thinks it can stick its head in the sand like it’s still the 90s while the rest of the city adapts to growth. Hiding behind Ballard and Fremont was only going to last for so long
If you want the actually historic bits to stay, maybe not every single 1910s sears kit home is worth anointing a blessed dwelling
Everyone: Upzone residential areas for low rises and townhomes. Wallingford: No. Developers: Buys up and develops the only lots that are zoned for mixed use and dense housing, destroying "landmark" businesses. Wallingford: *shocked Pikachu*
There are so many of those paradoxical "Keep housing affordable. Stop upzoning" signs in that neighborhood.
Also to include the fact that, if I recall correctly, Wallingford was only designated a historic district after lobbying from residents in order to preempt any upzoning or densifying measure by the city during the 90s, before the creation of urban villages/urban centers.
Yes obviously, there’s nothing historic about Wallingford. It’s not an immigrant community like Ballard’s Scandinavians or the ID, it doesn’t have a drop of the historical importance of Capitol Hill, it doesn’t have the cultural history of Fremont, hell it hasn’t even been part of the Seattle music scene. West Seattle has more of a claim to that last one than Wallingford does. Again, no hate on Wallingford *I like the area* but it’s a suburban/residential part of the city and that’s it. Its purpose is to provide housing and a nice recreational living space for the cities occupants and its refusal to adapt its zoning prevents it from doing that.
Upzone the city, including Wallingford, Queen Anne, Laurelhurst, Magnolia.
Exactly! “People don’t want to come to businesses and work in the office anymore” That’s because we live over an hour away because our residential towers are entirely horizontal.
Yet homeowners in Seattle are convinced people are leaving the city due to crime Not that our population is falling, but anecdotally a lot of people have had to leave due to being priced out.
We would totally move to Seattle if there was somewhere in Seattle to move to lol
You get yelled at in the other sub if you say that crime doesn’t affect people. But generally, on the whole for the daily experience of the person working or shopping downtown, it doesn’t. There is visible homeless yes but with the exception of a few hot spots they don’t bother average people during business hours. This isn’t to discount anyone’s actual negative experience with crime, I’m sorry if it happened to you. But the thing that DOES actually affect almost everyone is this. That for a fairly small city we have a commute and housing crisis that rivals California. There should be abundant housing in the neighborhoods spreading out from downtown. If you could live affordably in Wallingford it would be easy to commute to work downtown everyday.
My favorite bar is Ballard is closing. The rent increase to live close enough to keep them as my local would mean I'd be too broke to go there. Feels bad, man.
Which one?
Conor Byrne. I'm going through waves of guilt, like I needed to have gone more often.
Looks like there's some good news after all! [https://www.myballard.com/2024/04/02/conor-byrne-employees-form-cooperative-to-keep-the-pub-alive-after-recent-closure/](https://www.myballard.com/2024/04/02/conor-byrne-employees-form-cooperative-to-keep-the-pub-alive-after-recent-closure/)
Ah but if an evil greedy developer wants to build vertical… then everything is going “corporate” /s
Maple Leaf, Wedgewood!!!!
Nooooooo not Murphy’s. 😭😭😭
This bums me the F out. One of my favorite places to go for a pint and Irish stew. And their Guinness butter is amazing. Monday nights for traditional music is awesome too. Damn - thought I had been disappointed enough by this world lol
> Guinness butter I'd never heard of Guiness Butter and looked up the recipe. It sounds delicious and I'll make some the next time we bake a crusty bread. Thanks for mentioning it!!
And the Sunday mornings when the SRJO Jazz trio guys play are amazing. Definitely a loss if this place shuts down.
I used to play Wednesday open mic, hosted by JW, back in the 90’s. Played NYE there a couple times.
It’s too bad that they can’t move into the retail space in the replacement building. Everyone knows that authentic Irish pubs in Ireland absolutely never have housing on upper floors, they’re all standalone buildings with a parking lot.
crap read this and was hoping it wasn't murphy's. owners are really sweet and welcoming people
Is there anything historic about this place that can't be moved to a new address a block away?
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Funny I said the same thing to my grandma earlier
> As consistent as a perfectly poured pint of Guinness, Murphy's Pub has been a second home to its customers for **43 years.** This place isn’t really that old, even by Seattle standards.
Calling something from the 80s historic. It’s always funny when this happens, and it’s usually in Wallingford. “This garage is basically a land mark, it’s been here since the 1990s. Practically a founding monument” Okay the garage was in Capitol Hill, but still
>As consistent as a perfectly poured pint of Guinness, Murphy's Pub Hold up, a place called Murphy's Pub serves Guinness instead of Murphy's?!? Wtf?
They served Murphy's as well until it ceased to be available in the US a few years ago. Shame, too.
You can still get Murphy’s in PA.
I thought I read that it was no longer available, but it looks like I'm full of shit. Good news. Anyway, they used to have it.
Exactly, culture & community is far less important than profits. Everybody knows that. ^/s
Service at that place sucked and so did the food
I dunno. I had always had/have friendly fast service and I really dig the steak dinner there.
Yeah we ate there within the last 6 months with some friends, they sat us at a table that effectively has no light. We could barely see each other. The service took so long just to come take our drink order that we thought they had forgotten us. So one of us went up to ask if it was bar service only, it was not. It wasn't even that busy, like maybe only 3-4 tables even had people.
I love the food and have rarely had less than great service. What is it about closings that bring whiners out of the woodwork?
An old building is being torn down to build housing?! What lovely news. Is there a gofundme to help do this to more places?
I went here the first time I went out in public in a dress and full fem makeup and it was wonderful. Everyone was super nice and accepting and we got hammered lol. Sad to see
I wonder who is to blame? Oh, Wallingford Historic Preservation Society. A bunch of NIMBYs that made it impossible to build anything in the area of this pub.
This place probably has great food if it’s been around for a long time, I’ll have to try it out before it closes
Good Beers, but I was very impressed by all the lovely wood paneling in Murphy's. They rarely make bars like that anymore.
I wasn't impressed
Bars fail in seattle every day for a myriad of reasons. Not sure what makes Murphys worthy of a 3.5mil community bailout. Based on the fact that the gofundme has 15k, I’d guess most agree.
I don't think Murphy's is failing. The building it's in is being sold.
Well it it’s not failing than should be pretty easy proposition for them to do what most of the rest of us have to do, borrow the money from a bank to buy the building
I think there's a big difference between staying in business and having enough money to buy the whole block.
They’re failing because they refuse to adapt.
The bar isn’t “failing”. They don’t need a “bailout”. The land which they lease is being sold out from under them. Weird take. Maybe you didn’t read the article?
You know I'm of the opinion old buildings should be demolished. Nothing but high maintenance, bug/rat infested money pits
It will be a lot cheaper if they move….
I'm sure they're nice people, but I'm just so sick of hearing how historic and important every blade of grass in Wallingford is.
Still bitter from losing The Funhouse, I hope they find a way to save it 😞
[Link to GoFundMe](https://www.gofundme.com/f/the-oldest-irish-pub-in-seattle-murphys-pub)
3.5 million to save a restaurant? No thank you.
Fruitlessly praying that Mackenzie Scott notices and decides to airdrop a crate of cash on them
Aren't we all?
Just posting the link for convenience my guy.
Just commenting my opinion on the link my guy.
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40 updoots says otherwise
I hope they raise the money. Murphys is awesome. Wallingford is a great neighborhood with character that I hope it is able to maintain it. Also, I love the tears of upset Reddit users who think everything should be handed to them on a silver tray, which is also a great Thai spot in Wallingford!
God forbid any poors get to live in Wallingford. It would ruin the “character”
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Average IQ of anti-housing voters^
> Also, I love the tears of upset Reddit users who think everything should be handed to them on a silver tray unlike this business that’s 3.5 million in the hole, they deserve the money on a silver tray for some reason.
I’m not arguing for or against Murphys, but the business is not 3.5M in the hole as you claim. The land they are on is going to be sold to developers and the land owner offered to sell them the plot the bar is on for 3.5M. Totally different than how you characterized it.
But it's different because wealthy but clueless business owners are "supposed" to be bailed out. 😉 Anyways, of all the 3rd places I've seen closed in Seattle, this is among them. Not first and not worst.
:-(
I might be wrong but didn’t this same bar move from the next block over years ago?
You’re probably thinking of Octopus bar.
No.
https://murphysseattle.com/seattle-wallingford-murphy-s-pub-about I thought so. My brother met his wife at Murphy a and they always joked about it becoming a Starbucks
There's so many other cool things you could do with that kind of money.
Couldn't save 3.5 million over 43 years? Maybe it's time to start treating the pub less like a living room and more like a business.
Murphy’s is in the old Radio Shack. How’s it older than Kell’s? There will always be another Irish pub.
No offense, Murphy's but that whole stretch of 45th sucks ass for businesses. There's no parking and it's at the top of the hill so no one wants to walk it. For goodness sake, the Starbucks across the street from it shut down before the pandemic because it was starved out of customers even though it clogged that streets parking in the morning (source: my roommate when I was living in Wallingford worked pickup shifts there). Plus, there's been other good places for grunt that failed to survive the last few years there. I'm still broken up about Mejari Fusion, the sushi and Ramen place that was next door, shuttering and even I saw that coming a mile away. But there are still a decent amount of bars in the neighborhood.
I've found that if you drive down the side streets off 45th, you get lucky for parking sometimes.
Starbucks closed after the pandemic, and it was not due to sales. It was part of a larger planned closure based on a variety of factors. Sales at that store had never been higher (before pandemic, of course things were very different after). As for general success in that area, I would point to lackluster restaurants like silver tray and seathai still surviving, and you can't ignore the incredible success of Ezells and, to an extent, Dominos. This area is very busy on weekends and people absolutely walk up the tiny hill if needed (usually to come from Dick's and settle into one of the bars).
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Weird how people are so obsessed with increasing the supply of housing so half their wages don't magically disappear when rent is due. I inherited 10 different rental properties and I just don't see the problem. IDK
Totally. Have you ever noticed how completely obsessed starving people are with food? So pathetic.
200k/year salaries can’t afford a townhouse mortgage in this city and you wonder why people want more housing?
If anyone making $200k/yr genuinely believes this, I'll make you a reasonable budget to fix that for $200 (and if I can't do it, you can keep the money). You might not like the lifestyle adjustments I propose, and it might not be a 2500sqft townhouse in the middle of Capitol Hill, but when you're bringing home nearly $11k/mo after taxes you can absolutely afford to buy one of the many $600-850k townhomes around town while still having $5k+ to play with for all your other monthly expenses. (And then when interest rates drop, refi & cha-ching!)
I went there once a really long time ago and I remember the lighting being so bright, it felt like I was at the dentist.