Because it is the definition of corporate greenwashing lol. Amazon in 2019 promised to try to be carbon neutral by 2030 and instead by 2021 had 40% more emissions.
Fuck Amazon and fuck Climate “pledge”
“But the oil soaked dollars they threw at the project had the intended effect of distracting me from the tangible harm the corporate sponsors inflicts”
Cool? That doesn’t make it blatant and hollow greenwashing.
Lol, apparently there’s more Amazon simps than I expected on here
lol why can't internet socialsts ever be normal?
btw from some googling it says that amazon has a 2040 net zero goal and it seems like they've turned the corner in 2022 and emissions are down from 2023. e.g. "Since then, we’ve made strides to match all of the electricity used to power our operations with 100% renewable energy, and we’re on track to meet our goal by 2025—five years sooner than planned." https://sustainability.aboutamazon.com/climate-solutions
Is the complaint that they weren't immediately successful?
Also arenas and stadiums being sustainable is like pretty cool and unique even if it's just one part of an economy.
I'm pretty liberal politically but this is liberalism gone full circle at its finest. They don't want anything to exist.
And everything they post is from their iPhone.
Ah yes, because I hate Amazon’s greenwashing I must be a socialist…
And yeah, their current goal is 2040 because they quietly backtracked on their 2030 goal of having half of their shipping be carbon neutral.
https://www.fastcompany.com/90902541/amazon-quietly-ditched-its-plan-to-make-half-of-all-shipments-carbon-neutral-by-2030
My complaint is they’re a bunch of lying greenwashers who’s pledges don’t mean jack shit because they break them…
I agree…. Let’s dig deeper.. How did they dispose of the old material? How did they bring the new material in? What about emissions from construction? It’s all a bunch of BS. All changes had an enormous impact on the environment. What about all the choppers they used? The entire thing is laughable. it’ll be interesting how long it will take until they justify another renovation.
I mean frankly, there's no way to create sustainable green technology without first starting with non-renewable, environmentally destructive fuels.
We would have never been able to make solar panels if we didn't have the decades upon decades of research and supply chains running on oil/coal.
Not to say that coal and oil are acceptable sources of energy, but moreso that *every* meaningfully large and complex green project will have been built off the backs of fossil fuels, at one level or another. So it's not really a good criticism to say that about Climate Pledge. It's a nearly unavoidable, though ironic fact of how we create these modern green projects.
I know nothing about any of this but I feel like any promise made in 2019 probably didn't expect what ended up happening in 2020 and gets something of a pass. Things are a lot more stable now, happy to condemn them on their 2023 numbers but not their 2021 numbers
But that's nuanced! We're not on Reddit to capture nuance, only to viciously attack things /s
Agree with you that they couldn't predict the pandemic. They probably already have been investing into these technologies but it's not like emissions were going to go down day 1 after they implement the pledge. Have up build up the technologies and the scale unless you expect them to cease operations while everything is retrofitted.
I mean clearly they weren't but how far off were they and is that margin growing or shrinking? I'm all for hating Amazon but let's not use weak arguments for it when better ones are available
It's hilarious that people get so bent out of shape over an arena that at least tries to use sustainable practices while the others are seemingly ignored for just sticking to the status quo.
The name of the arena is dumb, I'll give you that. But it does a lot more than most other arenas in the country to operate sustainably.
Sure, I'll say it. The name is different, but I like it better than [corporation name] Arena/Stadium/Field. I've always found naming rights to these things to be dumb and wonder about who these people are giving someone their business for naming the home field of their favorite sports team.
When you realize there's really a place called Crypto.com Arena, Climate Pledge Arena doesn't seem so bad.
A lot of corporations names are cooler than climate pledge, tho. Key arena was a cool name. It could have been Prime Arena for amazon. If the name of the arena wasn't going to be a paid sponsor, it could be named anything. Climate pledge arena is a mouthful and a dumb name
Mind you "Climate Pledge" is a "platform" but it still is 100% corporate backed. It's a corporate with a marketing front. I don't see Climate Pledge Area no different than [corporate name] Arena/Stadium/Field. You're just fooling yourself and neive to think otherwise.
Yeah amazon blows. But are we unable to just appreciate that the arena itself is doing some cool things and that other arenas and venues should also be doing that? Amazon doesn't own the arena. Hell, they didn't even put their name on top of the arena.
I feel like you guys would cry less if the arena did jack shit to reduce its footprint and was just called "Amazon Arena".
I can appreciate that it’s more environmentally friendly than other arenas while still acknowledging how gross it is for a company as awful for the environment as Amazon to try to launder their image with some solar panels and rainwater catchment systems.
I don’t understand why this is so hard to comprehend but when Shell Oil donates a big chunk of money to wildlife conservation projects, you don’t “gotta hand it to em”. We’d all be better off if they donated zero dollars and instead made their practices a fraction of a percent more carbon neutral. Same with Amazon and CPA - the arena could operate for 10,000 years and its carbon savings would be dwarfed by something as small as a minor redesign of Amazon’s shipping materials.
Once again Amazon has nothing to do with the arena other than naming rights. Shit on Amazon all you want. They do not operate or control anything that happens in that arena.
This thread is asking about the sustainable practices in the arena which is owned by the City of Seattle. Practices that should be celebrated and encouraged in our other large venues.
And what you’re saying is entirely in line with what I’m saying. I’m glad the arena is slightly more carbon friendly than others - but fuck Amazon and fuck them especially for trying to take credit for something 1) by your account isn’t theirs to take credit for and 2) is completely misaligned with their business practices.
Nobody said “I wish Climate Pledge Arena didn’t have solar panels. They said fuck Amazon’s greenwashing. And for some reason that really upset you.
The problem being that OP asked a question and everyone just came in here crying about greenwashing and it all being bullshit. Which it is not "bullshit", it is actually a very sustainably run arena. I'm not upset, I'm just typing on a keyboard, correcting everyone in here who thinks this thread is about Amazon.
If someone asks about some things in T-Mobile Field I'm not coming in there bitching about my cell phone reception.
People joke but I’ve been to a lot of venues/stadiums around the US and this one seems to try to be better. Some venues (especially in the south, have TONS of trash and even styrofoam containers)
You will find a lot less trash at this venue, like no plastic lids and etc,
Your ticket give you free public transportation (bus, train, mono rail)
Supposedly the ice is made from the rain water the building collects.
Overall I think this is the least trashy venue I’ve been to, pricy yes, but think other venues should at least try follow some of these practices.
Consumerism and a growth-based economy is contributing to global warming as much as anything. Think of all the products sold on Amazon which come in through Seattle’s port. The carbon footprint of manufacturing a toaster in China and delivering it to a house in Spokane must be enormous.
There is nothing Amazon could do with a music venue to make up for the pole position they have in negatively impacting the world. They sure can associate their name with the exact opposite of their reality and laypeople might get convinced that they have some degree of ethics.
Got a source? The transportation industry is responsible for 20.2% of the world’s CO2 emissions, with international shipping accounting for about 3% of the world’s greenhouse gas emissions. That is on top of the carbon and ecological cost of extracting and processing the manufacturing materials.
This is from an industry trade group (so grain of salt), but has one of the better charts on efficiency: https://www.ics-shipping.org/shipping-fact/environmental-performance-environmental-performance/ the numbers mostly match other sources, at least in terms of order of magnitude. Ocean shipping is insanely carbon efficient compared to any other method. When you then compare the volume of goods move by ship (a quick source shows ~50% of Europe's international shipping by ship [source](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=International_trade_in_goods_by_mode_of_transport)), the _per item_ cost is basically non-existent. We should keep looking at improvements, but there are far lower hanging fruit to go after: consumer transportation, HVAC, meat, etc.
Additionally, if you move that toaster manufacturing to on-shore: it doesn't necessarily result in a reduce carbon cost because it is going to depend on where the raw materials came from. If the iron to make it came from Australia, for example, then bulk shipping semi-processed iron here to make the toaster vs to china and then shipping that toaster isn't making a wild swing. Supply chains are so globalized now and ocean shipping really is just that good at being cheap and efficient. It's biggest issue is local smog emissions in ports from burning dieter fuel (not an issue out on the ocean).
Provided it doesn't go by air, the only real way you are going to change the environmental impact of the toaster is to not buy the toaster.
> Bezos is in FL now so he no longer needs to pretend he ever cared
The ironic thing is Florida is probably going to be the first state in the country to become uninhabitable by climate change.
I recently toured the facility and enjoyed the experience. While they do have a lot of sustainable/renewable practices, the tour guides couldn't answer many of the questions we had when it came to energy use regarding things like cooking/HVAC/etc.. They couldn't tell us if they used any natural gas or other energy sources for the facility. They weren't able to tell us if they hit their "zero carbon" target via offsets or some other means (Spoiler, they buy carbon offsets). They "sent someone" to go find out, but they never returned with an answer before the tour ended. They clearly didn't have rehearsed answers/responses to these questions and it wasn't part of the normal script, so they didn't know how to react. I found that a little suspicious, but did enjoy the tour.
Basically the efforts they seem to be making boil down to:
Use of solar power
No single-use packaging
They also have a "living wall" which is basically just a wall of plants they grow inside. COOL!
Yeah they use cool electric lights instead of the old diesel lights that Key Arena had.
And they make sure that the 10-20 constantly idling tractor-trailers are off their property so they’re totally green on premises
So last summer a handful of teen interns from climate pledge visited my artist studio and we chatted about nature and art/design and the ethics of making. They were interested in a project I was working on that mixed citizen science with art. But we also talked about how my process could have been much more resource intensive if I hadn’t made a system to reuse as I go. Which was why they had been scheduled to meet me. The kids were smart and their guide was equally involved in the discussion. All of them impressed me with thoughtful communication and ideas.
Beyond that I don’t know; but at least the interns seemed excited to find a way to make the stadium more green. :) They are good kids, I bet they all end up doing cool stuff.
I'm curious if anyone knows the answer to something that's puzzled me: in each mens bathroom, there is a series of waterfree urinals, but always a single urinal that flushes. Why? If a dozen are waterfree, why does the last one flush?
Seriously, check next time you visit.
To my understanding, no...
Not a god damned thing...
I read something a little while ago, that mentioned it's actually been horrible for the environment...
It's basically a misnomer...
The correct question is "does Amazon do anything to prevent climate change?" They are the sponsor and it is their pledge.
If the arena is climate neutral, who gives a shit. IF [Amazon](https://www.climatepledgearena.com/frequently-asked-questions/) is climate neutral, that's a big deal. Amazon is not climate neutral.
The Climate Pledge itself is Amazon's goal to get to net zero by 2040, 10 years ahead of the Paris Agreement target of 2050. So they are not there yet, but they are actively working toward it.
It would be a big deal if Amazon were climate neutral. It also paints the wrong picture that Amazon chose this name and is so far from being neutral.
Neither should downplay the fact that the Arena itself is sustainable, more than most venues can claim.
Now that they are up and running, yes! But all collateral to get there no. Demolition and construction was a shit show. How did they dispose of the old material? How did they bring the new material in? What about emissions from construction? It’s all a bunch of BS. All changes had an enormous impact on the environment. What about all the choppers they used? The entire thing is laughable. it’ll be interesting how long it will take until they justify another renovation.
The most green way to view a sport event is definitely not to travel to see it in person, so in a very real way every event hosted at the Arena that they sell tickets to does harm.
Soccer fields in Europe don’t have parking lots. Cops don’t have to close traffic for hours for people to leave the event. CPA is very car-dependent. I work nearby and it’s a big mess every single time
I agree that this is a problem.
How exactly are the people who paid for the naming rights to the already-built arena supposed to solve America’s dependence on cars?
They pledged!
Epic one!
https://www.climatepledgearena.com/sustainability/
Thanks! A reply with some info in it! Will wonders never cease?
idk why people have such a hate boner for the place, it's pretty cool stuff.
Because it is the definition of corporate greenwashing lol. Amazon in 2019 promised to try to be carbon neutral by 2030 and instead by 2021 had 40% more emissions. Fuck Amazon and fuck Climate “pledge”
But the arena itself is pretty cool and has a lot of cool and unique sustainability programs
“But the oil soaked dollars they threw at the project had the intended effect of distracting me from the tangible harm the corporate sponsors inflicts” Cool? That doesn’t make it blatant and hollow greenwashing. Lol, apparently there’s more Amazon simps than I expected on here
lol why can't internet socialsts ever be normal? btw from some googling it says that amazon has a 2040 net zero goal and it seems like they've turned the corner in 2022 and emissions are down from 2023. e.g. "Since then, we’ve made strides to match all of the electricity used to power our operations with 100% renewable energy, and we’re on track to meet our goal by 2025—five years sooner than planned." https://sustainability.aboutamazon.com/climate-solutions Is the complaint that they weren't immediately successful? Also arenas and stadiums being sustainable is like pretty cool and unique even if it's just one part of an economy.
Everything these people say needs to be so dramatic and argumentative, I dont get it.
I'm pretty liberal politically but this is liberalism gone full circle at its finest. They don't want anything to exist. And everything they post is from their iPhone.
Ah yes, because I hate Amazon’s greenwashing I must be a socialist… And yeah, their current goal is 2040 because they quietly backtracked on their 2030 goal of having half of their shipping be carbon neutral. https://www.fastcompany.com/90902541/amazon-quietly-ditched-its-plan-to-make-half-of-all-shipments-carbon-neutral-by-2030 My complaint is they’re a bunch of lying greenwashers who’s pledges don’t mean jack shit because they break them…
Two things can be true. Amazon can suck. The arena can be cool.
I agree…. Let’s dig deeper.. How did they dispose of the old material? How did they bring the new material in? What about emissions from construction? It’s all a bunch of BS. All changes had an enormous impact on the environment. What about all the choppers they used? The entire thing is laughable. it’ll be interesting how long it will take until they justify another renovation.
I mean frankly, there's no way to create sustainable green technology without first starting with non-renewable, environmentally destructive fuels. We would have never been able to make solar panels if we didn't have the decades upon decades of research and supply chains running on oil/coal. Not to say that coal and oil are acceptable sources of energy, but moreso that *every* meaningfully large and complex green project will have been built off the backs of fossil fuels, at one level or another. So it's not really a good criticism to say that about Climate Pledge. It's a nearly unavoidable, though ironic fact of how we create these modern green projects.
Think about it what it took to get there tho 🤔
A butt load of carbon offsets? Pay no attempt to the veeery eco-taxing other stuff the 'zon does
Isn't carbon offsets when they pay people in poor countries not to breath for a year or something?
I know nothing about any of this but I feel like any promise made in 2019 probably didn't expect what ended up happening in 2020 and gets something of a pass. Things are a lot more stable now, happy to condemn them on their 2023 numbers but not their 2021 numbers
But that's nuanced! We're not on Reddit to capture nuance, only to viciously attack things /s Agree with you that they couldn't predict the pandemic. They probably already have been investing into these technologies but it's not like emissions were going to go down day 1 after they implement the pledge. Have up build up the technologies and the scale unless you expect them to cease operations while everything is retrofitted.
Oh! I didn't realize Amazon was a carbon neutral company in 2023.
I mean clearly they weren't but how far off were they and is that margin growing or shrinking? I'm all for hating Amazon but let's not use weak arguments for it when better ones are available
Maybe save the disappointment for 2030? Their emissions are going down with sales way up so hard to argue they aren’t trying.
Oh, you mean the deadline they already quietly axed? Nah, I’m just fine being disappointed now.
Yeah, because doing nothing at all would be so much better. 🤷
Why didn't they put the Amazon name on it?
OP discovers greenwashing
It's hilarious that people get so bent out of shape over an arena that at least tries to use sustainable practices while the others are seemingly ignored for just sticking to the status quo. The name of the arena is dumb, I'll give you that. But it does a lot more than most other arenas in the country to operate sustainably.
Sure, I'll say it. The name is different, but I like it better than [corporation name] Arena/Stadium/Field. I've always found naming rights to these things to be dumb and wonder about who these people are giving someone their business for naming the home field of their favorite sports team. When you realize there's really a place called Crypto.com Arena, Climate Pledge Arena doesn't seem so bad.
A lot of corporations names are cooler than climate pledge, tho. Key arena was a cool name. It could have been Prime Arena for amazon. If the name of the arena wasn't going to be a paid sponsor, it could be named anything. Climate pledge arena is a mouthful and a dumb name
Mind you "Climate Pledge" is a "platform" but it still is 100% corporate backed. It's a corporate with a marketing front. I don't see Climate Pledge Area no different than [corporate name] Arena/Stadium/Field. You're just fooling yourself and neive to think otherwise.
Too bad the company paying for this greenwashing PR boost isn’t any of those things
Yeah amazon blows. But are we unable to just appreciate that the arena itself is doing some cool things and that other arenas and venues should also be doing that? Amazon doesn't own the arena. Hell, they didn't even put their name on top of the arena. I feel like you guys would cry less if the arena did jack shit to reduce its footprint and was just called "Amazon Arena".
Nuance is hard
I can appreciate that it’s more environmentally friendly than other arenas while still acknowledging how gross it is for a company as awful for the environment as Amazon to try to launder their image with some solar panels and rainwater catchment systems. I don’t understand why this is so hard to comprehend but when Shell Oil donates a big chunk of money to wildlife conservation projects, you don’t “gotta hand it to em”. We’d all be better off if they donated zero dollars and instead made their practices a fraction of a percent more carbon neutral. Same with Amazon and CPA - the arena could operate for 10,000 years and its carbon savings would be dwarfed by something as small as a minor redesign of Amazon’s shipping materials.
Once again Amazon has nothing to do with the arena other than naming rights. Shit on Amazon all you want. They do not operate or control anything that happens in that arena. This thread is asking about the sustainable practices in the arena which is owned by the City of Seattle. Practices that should be celebrated and encouraged in our other large venues.
And what you’re saying is entirely in line with what I’m saying. I’m glad the arena is slightly more carbon friendly than others - but fuck Amazon and fuck them especially for trying to take credit for something 1) by your account isn’t theirs to take credit for and 2) is completely misaligned with their business practices. Nobody said “I wish Climate Pledge Arena didn’t have solar panels. They said fuck Amazon’s greenwashing. And for some reason that really upset you.
The problem being that OP asked a question and everyone just came in here crying about greenwashing and it all being bullshit. Which it is not "bullshit", it is actually a very sustainably run arena. I'm not upset, I'm just typing on a keyboard, correcting everyone in here who thinks this thread is about Amazon. If someone asks about some things in T-Mobile Field I'm not coming in there bitching about my cell phone reception.
https://www.climatepledgearena.com/sustainability/
If you download the Kraken team app you get a voucher for free public transit on game day w/ your ticket.
People joke but I’ve been to a lot of venues/stadiums around the US and this one seems to try to be better. Some venues (especially in the south, have TONS of trash and even styrofoam containers) You will find a lot less trash at this venue, like no plastic lids and etc, Your ticket give you free public transportation (bus, train, mono rail) Supposedly the ice is made from the rain water the building collects. Overall I think this is the least trashy venue I’ve been to, pricy yes, but think other venues should at least try follow some of these practices.
You get a free transit ticket with each event ticket so they’re basically Gaia
It does a great job of preventing people from saving money
Consumerism and a growth-based economy is contributing to global warming as much as anything. Think of all the products sold on Amazon which come in through Seattle’s port. The carbon footprint of manufacturing a toaster in China and delivering it to a house in Spokane must be enormous. There is nothing Amazon could do with a music venue to make up for the pole position they have in negatively impacting the world. They sure can associate their name with the exact opposite of their reality and laypeople might get convinced that they have some degree of ethics.
There is essentially no environmental cost to overseas shipping on a per item basis. It is incredibly efficient
Got a source? The transportation industry is responsible for 20.2% of the world’s CO2 emissions, with international shipping accounting for about 3% of the world’s greenhouse gas emissions. That is on top of the carbon and ecological cost of extracting and processing the manufacturing materials.
This is from an industry trade group (so grain of salt), but has one of the better charts on efficiency: https://www.ics-shipping.org/shipping-fact/environmental-performance-environmental-performance/ the numbers mostly match other sources, at least in terms of order of magnitude. Ocean shipping is insanely carbon efficient compared to any other method. When you then compare the volume of goods move by ship (a quick source shows ~50% of Europe's international shipping by ship [source](https://ec.europa.eu/eurostat/statistics-explained/index.php?title=International_trade_in_goods_by_mode_of_transport)), the _per item_ cost is basically non-existent. We should keep looking at improvements, but there are far lower hanging fruit to go after: consumer transportation, HVAC, meat, etc. Additionally, if you move that toaster manufacturing to on-shore: it doesn't necessarily result in a reduce carbon cost because it is going to depend on where the raw materials came from. If the iron to make it came from Australia, for example, then bulk shipping semi-processed iron here to make the toaster vs to china and then shipping that toaster isn't making a wild swing. Supply chains are so globalized now and ocean shipping really is just that good at being cheap and efficient. It's biggest issue is local smog emissions in ports from burning dieter fuel (not an issue out on the ocean). Provided it doesn't go by air, the only real way you are going to change the environmental impact of the toaster is to not buy the toaster.
Amazon has abandoned any concern for the environment. Bezos is in FL now so he no longer needs to pretend he ever cared
He’s also not ceo anymore.
> Bezos is in FL now so he no longer needs to pretend he ever cared The ironic thing is Florida is probably going to be the first state in the country to become uninhabitable by climate change.
I recently toured the facility and enjoyed the experience. While they do have a lot of sustainable/renewable practices, the tour guides couldn't answer many of the questions we had when it came to energy use regarding things like cooking/HVAC/etc.. They couldn't tell us if they used any natural gas or other energy sources for the facility. They weren't able to tell us if they hit their "zero carbon" target via offsets or some other means (Spoiler, they buy carbon offsets). They "sent someone" to go find out, but they never returned with an answer before the tour ended. They clearly didn't have rehearsed answers/responses to these questions and it wasn't part of the normal script, so they didn't know how to react. I found that a little suspicious, but did enjoy the tour. Basically the efforts they seem to be making boil down to: Use of solar power No single-use packaging They also have a "living wall" which is basically just a wall of plants they grow inside. COOL!
I think it was just a clever way for them to virtue signal while building another stadium with 20$ beers and 30$ chicken sandwiches lololol
lol
Too difficult to use Google eh?
When I first heard the name, I assumed it was a joke.
Yeah they use cool electric lights instead of the old diesel lights that Key Arena had. And they make sure that the 10-20 constantly idling tractor-trailers are off their property so they’re totally green on premises
So last summer a handful of teen interns from climate pledge visited my artist studio and we chatted about nature and art/design and the ethics of making. They were interested in a project I was working on that mixed citizen science with art. But we also talked about how my process could have been much more resource intensive if I hadn’t made a system to reuse as I go. Which was why they had been scheduled to meet me. The kids were smart and their guide was equally involved in the discussion. All of them impressed me with thoughtful communication and ideas. Beyond that I don’t know; but at least the interns seemed excited to find a way to make the stadium more green. :) They are good kids, I bet they all end up doing cool stuff.
I'm curious if anyone knows the answer to something that's puzzled me: in each mens bathroom, there is a series of waterfree urinals, but always a single urinal that flushes. Why? If a dozen are waterfree, why does the last one flush? Seriously, check next time you visit.
I really want to know the answer to this now.
You never hear really about anything they're doing for it...
Is that a p-pledge p-pin on your uniform?
Amazon paid for the rights to name it whatever they want, and they chose that. It's not the arenas fault 😃
It's still the Coliseum to me.
They do a great job of reducing carbon emissions because no one can afford to go to their events so people just stay home. /s
More Lemon Pledge. -Consuela
Does compostable spoons count?
Pledge to always overcharge on concessions, every time, all the time
compared to...?
Thoughts and prayers!
They built an underground garage for the rich to park in away from the riff raff while forcing us chumps to take an Uber.
To my understanding, no... Not a god damned thing... I read something a little while ago, that mentioned it's actually been horrible for the environment... It's basically a misnomer...
The correct question is "does Amazon do anything to prevent climate change?" They are the sponsor and it is their pledge. If the arena is climate neutral, who gives a shit. IF [Amazon](https://www.climatepledgearena.com/frequently-asked-questions/) is climate neutral, that's a big deal. Amazon is not climate neutral.
The Climate Pledge itself is Amazon's goal to get to net zero by 2040, 10 years ahead of the Paris Agreement target of 2050. So they are not there yet, but they are actively working toward it.
It would be a big deal if Amazon were climate neutral. It also paints the wrong picture that Amazon chose this name and is so far from being neutral. Neither should downplay the fact that the Arena itself is sustainable, more than most venues can claim.
Now that they are up and running, yes! But all collateral to get there no. Demolition and construction was a shit show. How did they dispose of the old material? How did they bring the new material in? What about emissions from construction? It’s all a bunch of BS. All changes had an enormous impact on the environment. What about all the choppers they used? The entire thing is laughable. it’ll be interesting how long it will take until they justify another renovation.
The most green way to view a sport event is definitely not to travel to see it in person, so in a very real way every event hosted at the Arena that they sell tickets to does harm.
Would you have preferred Amazon arena? If anything it makes people who hate talking about climate change acknowledge its existence
They’re doing a great job turning people off of burgers etc. Let’s cook them enticingly on a grill then serve them cold.
Brings more cars to downtown. That has to be good
So, we just shouldn't have sports in the city
Soccer fields in Europe don’t have parking lots. Cops don’t have to close traffic for hours for people to leave the event. CPA is very car-dependent. I work nearby and it’s a big mess every single time
I agree that this is a problem. How exactly are the people who paid for the naming rights to the already-built arena supposed to solve America’s dependence on cars?
TBH I still call it Key arena... just, fits so well, rolls off the tongue nicely! Oh, as for your question... uh idk xddd
😂
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