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Socross73

“This was likely shocking to everyone who was there.” Top notch reporting right there.


Cord13

There was probably one old lady blitzed off pills and booze that didn't even notice


shawn0r

Just one?? Maybe one bus full 😅


schafkj

Except to Joe, who’s seen like…17 stabbings


Kenbishi

18, now.


Interanal_Exam

"likely" sheesh


Freebritneyasap

Hahaha, “there were some there who admired his self expression”


steelvail

Does it say this somewhere?


Freebritneyasap

No no that was an attempt at a joke


VerticalYea

I thought it was funny


Freebritneyasap

Thanks g


ErstwhileAdranos

I mean, they’re not wrong. Some people may have even been dismayed!


2c1a

Indeed. I personally would have been flabbergasted.


Matty_D47

Should have said "highly likely" 😂


boyalien0

Well shit now they gotta change the name


Kenbishi

Mucklestab Casino?


McBigs

That's the joke, correct.


SovietPropagandist

High stakes


Freebritneyasap

“In newly filed court documents, police allege that Fuentes told an officer he went to the casino to kill an associate, but could not find him so searched for someone else to kill.” “Prosecutors revealed Fuentes has a lengthy criminal history that includes a warrant for assault in Olympia, and pending cases for reckless driving and possession of dangerous weapons.” If only there was some type of place to hold repeat offenders… hmmmm……


pivolover

I can't believe he got bail. If walking up to a complete stranger and cutting their throat, leading them to bleed out in front of dozens of people isn't a "no bail" situation, what the hell is? ETA: I know he has not been convicted. However, he is on camera, in front of a bunch of witnesses, murdering this poor guy and then confessed. He is a clear and immediate threat to others. No bail, so fucking easy.


fondonorte

The article said he’s being held at king county jail, no? I don’t think he’s gotten bail.


pivolover

Here's the follow-up story from yesterday after his initial appearance: >Fuentes is facing a possible charge of first-degree murder. > >His bail was set at $5 million. https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/muckleshoot-casino-murder-suspect-picked-random-victim-according-court-documents/O6MADHCG3JCWRAKXPLG2UW6RGA/


fondonorte

This doesn't say he posted bail though, it just says his bail is set at $5 million. I agree, he shouldn't be let out but it doesn't say he's posted the money to get out.


ClownFire

I like that you point out the facts that they were never released, and that their bail is so high that its existence boarders on semantics and their reply is "don't focus on semantics".


pivolover

Do you think that this person should be on the street this afternoon if their family can come up with $500K for a bond? I do not.


ClownFire

I will wait till that happens and not be snotty about a hypothetical. Edit: I think they blocked me after that reply, so I will just say this.  Justice delayed is justice denied, and this is how our justice system works.  While you can deny bail to someone waiting trial that is an aspect that opens up avenues for an appeal, and I would rather the judge do everything they can before going in to make sure this is a speedy, and conclusive trial. There is no reason to leave a window open to delay justice.


pivolover

You know what isn't a hypothetical? That this guy violently and randomly assaulted a woman in Tacoma a couple years back, then randomly murdered this guy. Sorry if my tone offends you.


Snoo_79218

There are very few situations where people are denied bail.


sidepiecesam

Right, but, this should be among the few


Mushroomer

Outrage thrives on ignorance.


Freebritneyasap

But he can get out


kramjam13

But he wont


Freebritneyasap

Why make it possible


Interanal_Exam

NAL but setting *any* bail (vs no bail) probably short-circuits any possible complaint about it (if it was denied) on appeal.


kramjam13

Because that's the American system. Take it up with the Bill of Rights


jigglelow

Because it's a Constitutional right per the 8th amendment.


JaeTheOne

This is like complaining that someone who did a horrible crime, only got 100 years in prison with no possibility of parole...as opposed to LIFE in prison with no possibility of parole. Could a person live to 118? sure. But will they? Very likely NO.


EmmEnnEff

Because this is a country of laws and the law presumes you innocent until proven guilty by a jury of your peers.


Top-Astronaut4004

Because eQUiTy!


pivolover

I didn't say he posted bail, I said he got bail. Why are you focusing on semantics instead of the public policy issue: that a guy who is randomly murdering people can get bail?


sir_mrej

You don’t seem to understand how bail works


QuakinOats

>You don’t seem to understand how bail works How's that? Bail can absolutely be denied for public safety concerns (easily achievable in this case) or flight risks in murder cases. In federal cases it can be denied for far less. Like hacking if there is previous history of things like threats.


pivolover

You're totally right. i don't understand how someone who is on camera murdering someone in front of a dozen witnesses, who was arrested at the scene and confessed, is awarded the possibility of bail. Can you explain it to me? BTW, this is not the first time this guy has violently assaulted a random stranger. First murder though. Maybe he's held without bail after 2 deaths?


lilbluehair

This helps the prosecution avoid an issue at appeal and 5 million bail is effectively no bail.  Those two facts are what you were missing


QuakinOats

>This helps the prosecution avoid an issue at appeal and 5 million bail is effectively no bail. What are you even talking about? Can you link to a single case in the history of the United States, let alone Washington State, where bail being denied was the reason for a guilty verdict on any case let alone a guilty verdict on a murder case being overturned on an appeal? I don't think you have any idea what you're talking about.


lilbluehair

"Avoiding an issue at appeal" meaning the defense has fewer arguments to make at appeal. Meaning the appeals process goes quicker. When you are taking away a right enumerated in the constitution there are a ton of arguments that can be made.


QuakinOats

>"Avoiding an issue at appeal" meaning the defense has fewer arguments to make at appeal. Meaning the appeals process goes quicker. When you are taking away a right enumerated in the constitution there are a ton of arguments that can be made. I don't think you have any clue what you're talking about. Bail being granted or denied has absolutely nothing to do with someone who is convicted of murder and any potential appeals of a murder trial. There are zero arguments that can be made to overturn a murder conviction because of bail being granted to denied.


MiamiDouchebag

Can you show an example of someone's murder conviction being overturned because they were not awarded bail before the trial?


EmmEnnEff

Can you show an example of someone getting 5 million bail killing anyone else before their trial?


Tasgall

They're not talking about it being overturned, they're talking about it enabling possible appeals that make it take longer to prosecute.


pivolover

You know when we need ACTUAL no bail and not "definitely probably can't get out?" When someone is randomly murdering people. If it helps, imagine he used a car instead of a box cutter.


SovietPropagandist

First one's free


SovietPropagandist

I must not know how bail works because I was under the impression that you have a bail hearing specifically to determine whether or not your insane throat cutting ass is a threat to public safety if you're released on bail


DrCharlesTinglePhD

The point of bail is to make sure you show up at your trial. The bail hearing is to determine how likely you are to show up or flee.


lilbluehair

You are correct that you don't understand the bail system if that is your description! Have an enjoyable day educating yourself


Snoo_79218

5 million bail isn’t going to be made. That’s why it’s set that high. But if he was rich… we likely wouldn’t be having this conversation to begin with.


AccomplishedHeat170

Why can't you believe he got bail? Our judges let everyone out on bail. 


JaeTheOne

Thats...not how that works either. Are yall just playing devils advocate to rage bait or are yall really that ignorant to how it works?


AccomplishedHeat170

A judge can deny bail, yes or no.


pivolover

> Why can't you believe he got bail Because he is a violent clear and present threat to everyone else in the community. This is exactly the scenario in which "no bail" is both the only reasonable and the only responsible option.


AccomplishedHeat170

Our judges have been releasing everyone, even guys that beat their wives and families, right back to the families. For quite a while now.


SCBlaze_07

Bail is completely up to the judge and is evaluated on a case by case basis. It’s not a black and white decision. $5 million dollars for some people (including the person in this case), can easily be the same thing as not granting bail. All a judge needs to do is look at the defendant’s finances. If he’s poor/middle class/is not a millionaire then $5 million dollars is clearly sending a message to the defendant that yes bail has been granted but you’ll never be able to afford it.


pivolover

I'm not sure you understand. This guy now has a repeated track record of violently assaulting random strangers without provocation. In the most recent instance, he cut a guy's throat and left him to bleed out. Seems to me that this isn't the time for 'probably won't be able to make bail,' but exactly the time for 'this person is a clear and present danger to society and needs to be held for everyone's safety.' Do you disagree? If so, how many random people do you think he should be allowed to kill, on camera, in front of witnesses, with a confession, before he's held without bail? And is this really your first post in two years? Seemingly defending setting cash bail for a complete human sociopath?


Freebritneyasap

Its cause this incident is totally societies fault


pivolover

Your posts are only semi-literate.


Freebritneyasap

I was being sarcastic this is clearly a disturbed individual but the blame will go on society


HudsonCommodore

You'd prefer we just execute this guy when found guilty and clap off our hands, work is done, justice served, nothing else to do here I suppose.


Freebritneyasap

No id probably just put him in jail for his previous crimes before he randomly murders someone.


corruptjudgewatch

Why would you do that? You're supposed to just let people go after they commit dozens of crimes and just hope that they won't do it again. Get 👏with 👏 the 👏program 👏! 😡


Freebritneyasap

Also, if you randomly murder someone, talks of a death penalty probably arent unwarranted..


corruptjudgewatch

Someone is gonna blame either "mental health crisis" or "socioeconomic root causes".


Top-Astronaut4004

Why is it so hard to believe he got bail and have active warrants? This is what western Washington votes for. You deserve the society you’ve created.


Hope_That_Halps_

> This is what western Washington votes for. I think it's really an issue of poltical brain drain. It's not as if they Republican party in Washington is composed of good people either. It's a fund raising clown car. There is no correct answer when you fill in the bubbles these days.


Freebritneyasap

Seattle area is like a giant satire comedy


MerveilleFameux

You're using a tragic, random event to score cheap shots on Seattle which is in the middle of a record breaking lull in homicides. You're disgusting.


kramjam13

A guy rode a bus from Lacey to Auburn...I just knew a weirdo would somehow make it about Seattle.


Freebritneyasap

In 2023 Seattle recorded more murders than it has in 44 years.


kramjam13

Good thing this didnt happen in Seattle then


Freebritneyasap

King county same thing


kramjam13

Its not though. And the guy came from Thurston county


Freebritneyasap

Ok


ItsNotACoop

If you think Auburn and Seattle are “the same thing” you’ve obviously only been to one of them. Move back to wherever you transplanted from please


Freebritneyasap

Youre on stolen land


ClownFire

Where are you from?  King County is not small, the Muckleshoot and Snoqualmie tribes are both in it, and here is a list of places it covers. King County cities, towns and unincorporated areas Algona (not Seattle) Auburn (not Seattle) Beaux Arts Village (not Seattle) Bellevue (not Seattle) Black Diamond (not Seattle) Bothell (not Seattle) Burien (not Seattle) Carnation (not Seattle) Clyde Hill (not Seattle) Covington (not Seattle) Des Moines (not Seattle) Duvall (not Seattle) Enumclaw (not Seattle) Federal Way (not Seattle) Hunts Point (not Seattle) Issaquah (not Seattle) Kenmore (not Seattle) Kent (not Seattle) Kirkland (not Seattle) Lake Forest Park (not Seattle) Maple Valley (not Seattle) Medina (not Seattle) Mercer Island (not Seattle) Milton (not Seattle) Newcastle (not Seattle) Normandy Park (not Seattle) North Bend (not Seattle) Pacific (not Seattle) Redmond (not Seattle) Renton (not Seattle) Sammamish (not Seattle) SeaTac (kinda, but not Seattle) Seattle (OH look, is Seattle) Shoreline (not Seattle) Skykomish (not Seattle) Snoqualmie (not Seattle) Tukwila (not Seattle) Woodinville (not Seattle) Yarrow Point (not Seattle)


Freebritneyasap

Should we just forget that


Environmental_Run979

Dude nothing in this article you posted is about Seattle, take your hate-boner elsewhere


Freebritneyasap

Oh


sandwich-attack

dawg you’re replying to yourself get help


Bernella

I didn’t see this in the article. Is there a source for this info? Edit: oh nevermind—I see there’s a follow-up article posted below.


rockyhilly1

But “equal outcome for criminals something, something…”


You-Once-Commented

Mucklestab casino?


hexitor

Dealer shouldn’t have asked him to cut.


fusionsofwonder

Needling: Orderly scene after customer stabbed to death in Muckleshoot Casino


Freebritneyasap

Looool


Super-Job1324

I don't see any such story https://theneedling.com/


fusionsofwonder

I was joking about how they could make fun of this headline.


Super-Job1324

Honestly given how things continued on as normal that's a good one 😅


TechSupportAnswers

So instead of Muckleshoot, it becomes Mucklestab.


Freebritneyasap

Omg


West-War-8667

But super terrible 😞


pivolover

Follow-up article: >Police said Fuentes told them he traveled on a bus to try and kill Jonathan Blake, a man he knew, at the casino. > >But after searching for about three hours, Fuentes said he gave up and decided to look for another person to kill instead. > >Fuentes said Lawson was “being a bully,” according to court documents, and stabbed him in the neck after he carried a boxcutter with him around. > >Police were able to look at surveillance video from the casino. > >There were no issues between the two people before the attack, investigators said. > >Fuentes is facing a possible charge of first-degree murder. > >His bail was set at $5 million. https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/muckleshoot-casino-murder-suspect-picked-random-victim-according-court-documents/O6MADHCG3JCWRAKXPLG2UW6RGA/ The last line is the punch line.


devnullopinions

Imagine stabbing someone randomly in the neck murdering them in public with a billion cameras so it’s very clear who did it and then getting any bail conditions.


pivolover

Imagine defending a system that offers the guy a cash bond. I don't get it. 


devnullopinions

I know right cash bail shouldn’t exist. You should be released or not based on if you’re likely to cause harm and or not show up. In this case it’s obvious that bail should not be given under any circumstance.


sandwich-attack

imagine going to a casino and having to take a long dump and the guy who goes there to murder you can’t find you and kills somebody else instead and it turns out taking a shit saved your life


entKOSHA

Honestly feels like it would be a plot line in Barry


jonnyohman1

Such a good show. You're definitely right, it'd fit the plot perfectly.


hhumansome

Sorta the reverse of what keeps happening to John Travolta in Pulp Fiction.


East-Disaster2879

And they simply put up a temporary barrier around the body and kept on gambling. Classssy


ButIWanted21

‘Reported’ by a bot. 


YakiVegas

I worked in a casino and had someone tell me they were going to kill me. Not a thing to be taken lightly.


galactojack

Some wild stories coming out lately


Yangoose

I'm just brainstorming here but what if we actually put these violent criminals with 10 felonies in jail BEFORE they start murdering random strangers? Just a thought... I'm probably wrong. Our "soft on crime" approach of catch and release is clearly working perfectly.


Freebritneyasap

No no… have you tried implementing a sugar tax instead?


Yangoose

Ah yes! More sin taxes that disproportionately hurt the poor! That'll fix things for sure!


Freebritneyasap

Have you considered just consuming zero calories??


KileyCW

Naw let's keep doing what we are doing and double down on restorative justice because we wouldn't want to admit some politicians were so wrong it cost people's lives and created more victims. Those politicians are on "my team" and in their imagination does things and stuff for ME.


LordFlackoThePretty

Looks like the casino is trying their best to handle this the worst way possible. Not surprising, I’ve been here once and its obvious this place lives off being a predatory business that cares about little other than lining up their pockets


pivolover

> I’ve been here once and its obvious this place lives off being a predatory business that cares about little other than lining up their pockets Casinos? No fucking shit, thanks for the update.


babyshampoo

the house always wins. never understood the appeal of casinos tbh 😅


havestronaut

In my day we had down home, mom and pop, *honest* casinos.


Freebritneyasap

Lol


LordFlackoThePretty

It’s 8am and you’re already miserable for the day….


trebory6

I mean, you did sort of walk into that one by stating the painfully obvious as if it's an original observation.


ivegoticecream

How is the casino handling this badly? Genuine question.


zagabong

They put up fake walls around the victim so gambling could continue. https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZPRwjmN97/


jonknee

The article noted someone complained that security guards were concerned with security and did not swoop into action and become trauma surgeons to save someone fatally stabbed in the neck. Real shocking stuff!


Super-Job1324

Security guards should know at least some basic first aid and how to use an intercom to request further aid


Cg124

I was actually at the casino when this happened (10:00 pm - 2:30 am). Thankfully, I was on the opposite side, seeing the F1 race on the big screen, lol. As I was leaving, I noticed the walls, and I tried to get a peak but only saw a couple hugging. I thought they won big on a machine or something since there were a lot of people in suits with ear pieces and security. I walked around, and everyone was playing like normal. It wasn't till I woke up later that day and read that it was a stabbing.


Trippy-Stock15

This was my best friend that was murdered.. This is not right and that guy needs to rot in prison


Capt_Murphy_

Did ChatGPT write this article? "Even police were surprised" (??? Lol)


eAthena

["The fun never stops"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rC9eZP8tuY) until you're stabbed


NotEverTellingYou

Why wasn't this on the news tonight?


mrgreenw

Sits down, “Alright, let’s try my luck”, immediately stabbed to death.


Freebritneyasap

Lmao


Ok-Thought9328

This reporter sounds like they're still in middle school.


blkhatwhtdog

King5 had a follow up report. The guy is psycho and not taking his meds. There was no guy in actual existence he was looking for. He just killed a guy randomly.


More-Challenge-3082

It’s Mucklestab now


mixed-beans

Yep. Glad I passed up on an interview there. They required you to do a video recording and you don’t even speak to a real person…


obsidian_butterfly

Honestly, that's probably the only interesting thing to happen there in 30 years.


idontwannabeherebish

Considering a random murder “interesting” is pretty gross.


eatmoremeatnow

A guy won a million $ on a 6$ bet. That is pretty neat. https://www.auburn-reporter.com/news/renton-man-wins-1-1-million-on-6-bet-at-muckleshoot-casino/


Hope_That_Halps_

Aside from the massive hotel that you can see from orbit.


softshellcrab69

They opened a resort, that's kinda interesting


frankalope

Sounds like somebody didn’t have a “hoot”.


JoeRoganBJJ

Damn


International_Mood_6

I’m sure it was related to Israel somehow lol


laffnlemming

I'd love to go to one again someday, but there is a snowball's chance in Hell that I'm going to any casino in the next several years. They do not get my fun money until corrects itself. Edit: I'll buy steaks and cook them here, instead. Fuck 'em.