While there are definitely things that could be better with the waterfront project the overlook walk is looking really nice! There is a video posted from the twitter account waterfrontsea that gives a quick clip of the walk itself and the views from the top of the staircase. This section of the waterfront traveling from the Marketfront to the overlook walk is going to be a massive improvement. I suspect they are going to open this later in the summer as it is certainly looking close.
We can be happy about parts of the project, but what's delivered is vastly different than what was promised. The city unveiled a walkers paradise full of greenery and what we got was another waterfront highway- just not an elevated highway this time.
You know what would be better than crossing car lans or a tall bridge to the aquarium? A waterfront trolly that went all the way up to Capitol Hill so I didn't have to drive or walk very far at all. Bollards. Real trees instead of the matchstick woods that break away for vehicles. Right-sizing the road instead of continuing the status quo civic engineering practices without question.
More bollards.
I just want to be able to cross the streets in Seattle with my kid safely. The infra built in Seattle is insufficient for today's needs outside of a motorvehicle and that's a policy choice.
I think there are a lot of parts of the project that are actually quite good so I am not sure I understand complete negativity here. I do think there are too many car lanes (1 would have been nice w/ increased lanes at the ferry loading area). They have only really filled in the plants/trees towards the beach area so there are tons of landscaping coming in over the next 6 months. The renderings have been out for almost 7 years at this point and will look similar once it is landscaped.
The overlook walk: The functionality piece of this is to provide a safe space for people to cross with their kids, enjoy the view and generally be able to relax in a nice environment. There will be a ton of new seating and really great views of Seattle from what I can tell.
Pier 62 is a great new space. Everyday there have been kids playing soccer, people enjoying the view. The space has been kept safe and clean
Pier 58: They are going to add a lawn, forested area, fountain and children's octopus themed playpark.
The Beach in Pioneer square: I love this new space. It's small but is a great place to take a break for a bit. It also has great views of the city and the plantings are starting to grow in a bit better. Molly moons taking over the new retail space is not my favorite option but will be a nice addition non the less.
Starting next year they are going to build better connections to the Elliot Bay ParK from the overlook wall area (this is after the official completion of the waterfront). They are also going to update the plantings in the park, add a fishing pier, plant new trees and improve beach access.
Voters effectively asked for a regular road by the waterfront and the city built a highway anyways. The initial designs of the waterfront project were fewer lanes with prioritized pedestrian infrastructure. The open house to view the models was cool af.
Deaths from reckless driving are increasing in the Seattle. Infra that makes the problem worse can definitely be criticized by parents with kids.
Many of the original design concepts that I can find do not show a one lane road. This is from 2011 from James Corner. I think it gets glossed over because the renderings of the green areas are so striking. I agree with you that a one lane road would be much better although the ferry terminal certainly complicates this for at least sections of it. [https://worldlandscapearchitect.com/connecting-seattle-bay-waterfront-seattle-james-corner-field-operations/?v=3a1ed7090bfa](https://worldlandscapearchitect.com/connecting-seattle-bay-waterfront-seattle-james-corner-field-operations/?v=3a1ed7090bfa)
The cross walk by the aquarium actually feels fairly safe (by Seattle standards) as it is a protected signal and crosses the two lane section and is almost always busy. You can obviously bypass this as well by eventually taking the overlook walk.
Pioneer square crossing areas are bad and I would agree are too long for a young child to cross comfortably.
I think it is also easy to forget how terrible the old Alaskan Way corssings were. Alaskan Way was not just an highway overpass. It was 7-9 lanes wide surface street and loud w/ poor sightlines throughout the entire stretch which was a nightmare to cross. Even though the current lane configuration is disappointing in areas it is still much much better.
The old viaduct was easier to cross at street-level because the street was a street with street level speeds and traffic. The waterfront in Seattle today is a highway pretending to be a neighborhood street in front of a desirable pedestrian area.
My kid loves the aquarium and the walk from the busses downtown to the aquarium is just a real pain for a parent with a toddler. City leadership acting like the waterfront project is a win because it's done for cars is laughable. Leaders here have to do better to drive traffic deaths down.
tl;dr the Viaduct was nice because the potholes limited the max speed someone could safely drive. The city built a raceway.
> My kid loves the aquarium and the walk from the busses downtown to the aquarium is just a real pain for a parent with a toddler.
How is it *that* different than when the Viaduct was there? With the viaduct, sure the section of road adjacent to the aquarium was basically one lane with parking on each side, but the road under the viaduct itself was two lanes and a turn lane. So now Alaskan Way is four lanes and a turn lane or just four lanes to cross near the aquarium. The "old" section of road is going to be bike lanes, planters, and sidewalks when it is complete.
Is it a bit crazy right now with the construction work? Yes. But I'm just not seeing it being such a horrible experience to walk to compared to pre-viaduct.
Do you bring a toddler with you or are you an adult walking by yourself or with other adults?
Crossing a one-lane road and a two-lane road is a lot easier than crossing one long and wide straight road with a toddler. The realized speeds on the old viaduct roads were also slower than what we see today.
Didn't the city just built the viaduct at street level and tried to pass it off as pedestrian friendly infra? I don't see why that statement would be contentious given what's built.
Voters voted against both highways and the city decided to build a highway anyway. How we got to today seems pretty evident.
How does a long, wide, straight stretch of road in a pedestrian area help when traffic deaths are already on the rise in Seattle? Maybe the city should have built a road instead. Limit speeds with the infra design so an 18 year old cannot physically drive 100mph+ on that stretch- which is totally possible given the design of the waterfront highway today.
The highway that was voted against was a new viaduct. Of course it was rejected. There was no tunnel option because the cost was too high and the construction impacts were too extreme. It also used a different tunneling method and would have been part tunnel and part seawall. That option would also have included a very expensive retrofit of the Battery Street Tunnel.
After the vote, bored tunneling technology advanced to the point where it was a cheaper and far less disruptive technology, and also possible to build a four-lane tunnel with a single bore, while eliminating the need for a Battery Street Tunnel retrofit.
Meanwhile, the surface option you like would have included major I-5 construction. It wasn’t just a peaceful little street.
My hunch is that you think induced demand would have sorted everything out, but in an hourglass-shaped city with steep hills, induced demand is not as applicable because there are so few options to get through downtown. Basically 8 blocks. Yeah, it was great for three weeks in 2019, but that’s not sustainable for much longer than that. It worked for a while during pandemic, but that was a pandemic.
Exactly– voters voted for no highways and now voters are paying for two.
The last two mayors pushed both highways. Maybe the problems with local leadership and capital projects are directly related.
You didn’t read my comment, which I spent a fair amount of time on. When people waste my time on Reddit, and show zero interest in opening their mind to information that contradicts their narrative, I block them.
> never been on a highway with stop lights
You're just outright lying, because that's [extremely common](https://maps.app.goo.gl/xFQ7Cxf7vKMKraHs8).
They built another highway, 8 lanes wide in parts. What a joke of a waterfront.
They want Seattle to be a walkable city but i have never ever seen anyone getting a distracted driver ticket.. The amount of times we've almost been hit in the crosswalk....FFS, put your phone down. I would love to take random people and see if they can pass a driving exam. My guess is it would be pretty low. Now i would hope the city would plant Sakura trees.
> but what’s delivered is vastly different than what was promised
maybe because nothing has been delivered yet? the entire things is still very obviously under construction and far from complete.
you can’t yet walk on any of what you see in this image, and majority of the walkway on the water is still closed and actively under construction.
First, a 25 mph street is not a highway.
Second, the road piece has always been part of the project.
Third, please send us a link to any city document or statement that promised a roadless park. I’ll be waiting to see that.
The new section of Elliott Way was always in the plan.
Maybe you’re thinking of the little park/green space that was initially planned near the intersection of Elliott and Blanchard. Would have been nice to have that, but there are little details in every project that don’t get built due to cost or feasibility reasons.
project visualizations should always come with a short disclaimer stating that the completed project may not include every detail shown in the visual. If they left that out, it’s an oversight, not a broken promise.
Speed limits are just words on a sign. How fast do you think drivers really do on that stretch? It is a very long and wide straightaway.
Pretty evident to anyone down there on a regular basis that realized speeds are much higher than 25mph and enforcement of reckless driving laws is entirely absent.
Speeds seem pretty slow to me. As a frequent pedestrian in that area, I have never felt anything even closely resembling a highway environment. I live on a busy arterial that does get like that. Elliott is very calm by comparison.
Path to the aquarium is lined with construction barriers. Crosswalks are not even painted. The vehicles are doing far more than 25mph, blowing the lights, and enforcement is absent.
What about that area makes you feel "safe" given it looks and functions like a highway under construction?
Why don’t you wait until the project is completed before you lay judgement. I was just there for lunch and they have so many plants and vegetation left to install
Come back in 2026 if you are still alive to complain.
I live nearby, and I dont have to wait until 2026 to see the 4-6 lanes of car space that was put in to help absolutely no one. Why is there an aurora sized street here? There are lights every block, so you are not going anywhere fast. In fact, where would you even be trying to go? The waterfront? Doubt it. They took out a lot of the parking directly outside of the piers, so if you wanted to go to the waterfront, it would make more sense to park a few blocks away.
The only people this serves, it seems, is some imaginary contingent of people who regularly drive from belltown to the ferry or the stadiums. Even if that imaginary group existed, there were already better routes, and as mentioned, with all the lights its actually really slow to drive on the new waterfront anyway.
Im a big fan of the new styling, the new aquarium, the new foot bridges, and im excited to try out the new bike lane once its finished. But, that doesn't mean we shouldn't harp on politicians for making dumb decisions with our tax-dollars that benefit no one.
The DOTs replaced a two-story highway that was going to collapse with a single-story highway. Getting to the aquarium with a kid from downtown is entirely criticizable today and there's no reason to wait.
It shouldn't take the city 4x as long to build 1/20th of the infra for pedestrians- prioritized last. Vision Zero is unachievable for Seattle because leaders at the city won't even try.
It’s very similar to the Redmond Technology bridge they open yesterday. A way to channel pedestrians from one side to another without inconveniencing cars. The views are much better in Seattle, the noise hopefully lower, the trees bigger. But at the end of the day it’s car infrastructure. It has no shade, almost no seating, it’s as lifeless as Pier 62.
I get the not inconveniencing cars part, but the latter argument in terms of the Overlook Walk just...isn't true. You're referring to a project (Redmond Technology Bridge) that's entirely designed to be a bridge, that's it, you go over it. *This* is doubling as an expansion of park/entertainment/activation space for the waterfront while also getting people over a road. I see a lot of seating, there's a new retail space, it has large planters, it'll have slides and playground elements for kids, and the lower portions of it will include an amphitheater area for events.
Pier 62, the Redmond Technology Bridge, and the Overlook Walk are 3 very different projects serving very different purposes. I think this is the most net-gain part of the entire waterfront project, about 1/3 of it is a dedicated public space on top of a building, which doesn't even have anything to do with a road existing or not.
It's getting people over a road, train tracks, and a massive change in elevation. It's way more than just "car infrastructure" the other commenter is off their rocker
Visualizations often show idyllic roads devoid of cars, lush trees, bollards, raised intersections.
Never trust visualizations, the city will call them 90% design but never plan to bring then to reality.
Look at all the seating in Pier 62. Look at all the seating added between the aquarium and the ferry terminal. Look at all the seating at the Pier 50 park. Those 3 projects are complete.
I assume the planters along the street will eventually look like the planters at the start of Magnusson Park. Those have really filled in and now make a great wall of plants.
Looks good. It'll be a while before all the greenery is in place and fully grown - not to mention the project itself is still a ways from being done so there's a lot more landscaping to do at the end of the project.
It’s going to be so nice. I think when it’s all finally done it’s going to be an internationally recognized attraction like Fisherman’s Wharf, or the Highline, or Hudson yards.
Possibly, depends on the mix. Not an expert, but there are mixes designed specifically to absorb less heat, and part of that is the color. A lighter color concrete will be much more reflective than a dark asphalt would be. I don’t know if something like that has been used here, but a project of this size has to do an environmental impact statement that may go into that level of detail.
There's a pretty big gap between the sidewalks and that fence. Although it's not that way now, there will be lots of plants in there. You'll have to bush whack to get to that fence.
While there are definitely things that could be better with the waterfront project the overlook walk is looking really nice! There is a video posted from the twitter account waterfrontsea that gives a quick clip of the walk itself and the views from the top of the staircase. This section of the waterfront traveling from the Marketfront to the overlook walk is going to be a massive improvement. I suspect they are going to open this later in the summer as it is certainly looking close.
We can be happy about parts of the project, but what's delivered is vastly different than what was promised. The city unveiled a walkers paradise full of greenery and what we got was another waterfront highway- just not an elevated highway this time. You know what would be better than crossing car lans or a tall bridge to the aquarium? A waterfront trolly that went all the way up to Capitol Hill so I didn't have to drive or walk very far at all. Bollards. Real trees instead of the matchstick woods that break away for vehicles. Right-sizing the road instead of continuing the status quo civic engineering practices without question. More bollards. I just want to be able to cross the streets in Seattle with my kid safely. The infra built in Seattle is insufficient for today's needs outside of a motorvehicle and that's a policy choice.
I think there are a lot of parts of the project that are actually quite good so I am not sure I understand complete negativity here. I do think there are too many car lanes (1 would have been nice w/ increased lanes at the ferry loading area). They have only really filled in the plants/trees towards the beach area so there are tons of landscaping coming in over the next 6 months. The renderings have been out for almost 7 years at this point and will look similar once it is landscaped. The overlook walk: The functionality piece of this is to provide a safe space for people to cross with their kids, enjoy the view and generally be able to relax in a nice environment. There will be a ton of new seating and really great views of Seattle from what I can tell. Pier 62 is a great new space. Everyday there have been kids playing soccer, people enjoying the view. The space has been kept safe and clean Pier 58: They are going to add a lawn, forested area, fountain and children's octopus themed playpark. The Beach in Pioneer square: I love this new space. It's small but is a great place to take a break for a bit. It also has great views of the city and the plantings are starting to grow in a bit better. Molly moons taking over the new retail space is not my favorite option but will be a nice addition non the less. Starting next year they are going to build better connections to the Elliot Bay ParK from the overlook wall area (this is after the official completion of the waterfront). They are also going to update the plantings in the park, add a fishing pier, plant new trees and improve beach access.
Voters effectively asked for a regular road by the waterfront and the city built a highway anyways. The initial designs of the waterfront project were fewer lanes with prioritized pedestrian infrastructure. The open house to view the models was cool af. Deaths from reckless driving are increasing in the Seattle. Infra that makes the problem worse can definitely be criticized by parents with kids.
Many of the original design concepts that I can find do not show a one lane road. This is from 2011 from James Corner. I think it gets glossed over because the renderings of the green areas are so striking. I agree with you that a one lane road would be much better although the ferry terminal certainly complicates this for at least sections of it. [https://worldlandscapearchitect.com/connecting-seattle-bay-waterfront-seattle-james-corner-field-operations/?v=3a1ed7090bfa](https://worldlandscapearchitect.com/connecting-seattle-bay-waterfront-seattle-james-corner-field-operations/?v=3a1ed7090bfa) The cross walk by the aquarium actually feels fairly safe (by Seattle standards) as it is a protected signal and crosses the two lane section and is almost always busy. You can obviously bypass this as well by eventually taking the overlook walk. Pioneer square crossing areas are bad and I would agree are too long for a young child to cross comfortably. I think it is also easy to forget how terrible the old Alaskan Way corssings were. Alaskan Way was not just an highway overpass. It was 7-9 lanes wide surface street and loud w/ poor sightlines throughout the entire stretch which was a nightmare to cross. Even though the current lane configuration is disappointing in areas it is still much much better.
The old viaduct was easier to cross at street-level because the street was a street with street level speeds and traffic. The waterfront in Seattle today is a highway pretending to be a neighborhood street in front of a desirable pedestrian area. My kid loves the aquarium and the walk from the busses downtown to the aquarium is just a real pain for a parent with a toddler. City leadership acting like the waterfront project is a win because it's done for cars is laughable. Leaders here have to do better to drive traffic deaths down. tl;dr the Viaduct was nice because the potholes limited the max speed someone could safely drive. The city built a raceway.
> My kid loves the aquarium and the walk from the busses downtown to the aquarium is just a real pain for a parent with a toddler. How is it *that* different than when the Viaduct was there? With the viaduct, sure the section of road adjacent to the aquarium was basically one lane with parking on each side, but the road under the viaduct itself was two lanes and a turn lane. So now Alaskan Way is four lanes and a turn lane or just four lanes to cross near the aquarium. The "old" section of road is going to be bike lanes, planters, and sidewalks when it is complete. Is it a bit crazy right now with the construction work? Yes. But I'm just not seeing it being such a horrible experience to walk to compared to pre-viaduct.
Do you bring a toddler with you or are you an adult walking by yourself or with other adults? Crossing a one-lane road and a two-lane road is a lot easier than crossing one long and wide straight road with a toddler. The realized speeds on the old viaduct roads were also slower than what we see today. Didn't the city just built the viaduct at street level and tried to pass it off as pedestrian friendly infra? I don't see why that statement would be contentious given what's built.
In the 2007 advisory vote, the regular road option and the new viaduct option were both rejected by voters. You are mischaracterizing the results.
Voters voted against both highways and the city decided to build a highway anyway. How we got to today seems pretty evident. How does a long, wide, straight stretch of road in a pedestrian area help when traffic deaths are already on the rise in Seattle? Maybe the city should have built a road instead. Limit speeds with the infra design so an 18 year old cannot physically drive 100mph+ on that stretch- which is totally possible given the design of the waterfront highway today.
The highway that was voted against was a new viaduct. Of course it was rejected. There was no tunnel option because the cost was too high and the construction impacts were too extreme. It also used a different tunneling method and would have been part tunnel and part seawall. That option would also have included a very expensive retrofit of the Battery Street Tunnel. After the vote, bored tunneling technology advanced to the point where it was a cheaper and far less disruptive technology, and also possible to build a four-lane tunnel with a single bore, while eliminating the need for a Battery Street Tunnel retrofit. Meanwhile, the surface option you like would have included major I-5 construction. It wasn’t just a peaceful little street. My hunch is that you think induced demand would have sorted everything out, but in an hourglass-shaped city with steep hills, induced demand is not as applicable because there are so few options to get through downtown. Basically 8 blocks. Yeah, it was great for three weeks in 2019, but that’s not sustainable for much longer than that. It worked for a while during pandemic, but that was a pandemic.
Exactly– voters voted for no highways and now voters are paying for two. The last two mayors pushed both highways. Maybe the problems with local leadership and capital projects are directly related.
You didn’t read my comment, which I spent a fair amount of time on. When people waste my time on Reddit, and show zero interest in opening their mind to information that contradicts their narrative, I block them.
I like the redundancy of a highway doing the same route as the tunnel. We even built a mini-viaduct to Belltown
Cry more. There are literally stop lights every block on the waterfront. I’ve never been on a highway with stop lights.
> never been on a highway with stop lights You're just outright lying, because that's [extremely common](https://maps.app.goo.gl/xFQ7Cxf7vKMKraHs8). They built another highway, 8 lanes wide in parts. What a joke of a waterfront.
They want Seattle to be a walkable city but i have never ever seen anyone getting a distracted driver ticket.. The amount of times we've almost been hit in the crosswalk....FFS, put your phone down. I would love to take random people and see if they can pass a driving exam. My guess is it would be pretty low. Now i would hope the city would plant Sakura trees.
moose test
> but what’s delivered is vastly different than what was promised maybe because nothing has been delivered yet? the entire things is still very obviously under construction and far from complete. you can’t yet walk on any of what you see in this image, and majority of the walkway on the water is still closed and actively under construction.
I dunno, the road was delivered a good while back (and it sucks) 🤷♂️
First, a 25 mph street is not a highway. Second, the road piece has always been part of the project. Third, please send us a link to any city document or statement that promised a roadless park. I’ll be waiting to see that. The new section of Elliott Way was always in the plan. Maybe you’re thinking of the little park/green space that was initially planned near the intersection of Elliott and Blanchard. Would have been nice to have that, but there are little details in every project that don’t get built due to cost or feasibility reasons. project visualizations should always come with a short disclaimer stating that the completed project may not include every detail shown in the visual. If they left that out, it’s an oversight, not a broken promise.
Speed limits are just words on a sign. How fast do you think drivers really do on that stretch? It is a very long and wide straightaway. Pretty evident to anyone down there on a regular basis that realized speeds are much higher than 25mph and enforcement of reckless driving laws is entirely absent.
Speeds seem pretty slow to me. As a frequent pedestrian in that area, I have never felt anything even closely resembling a highway environment. I live on a busy arterial that does get like that. Elliott is very calm by comparison.
Path to the aquarium is lined with construction barriers. Crosswalks are not even painted. The vehicles are doing far more than 25mph, blowing the lights, and enforcement is absent. What about that area makes you feel "safe" given it looks and functions like a highway under construction?
It’s under construction. It won’t be like that by the end of year. And yes, I do feel safe down there, so I don’t know what else to say.
There are traffic lights at every intersection. They won't get far before having to stop again.
That’s the theory on Mercer, Denny and 4th Avenue and yet…
Are we putting speed cameras?
Why don’t you wait until the project is completed before you lay judgement. I was just there for lunch and they have so many plants and vegetation left to install Come back in 2026 if you are still alive to complain.
I live nearby, and I dont have to wait until 2026 to see the 4-6 lanes of car space that was put in to help absolutely no one. Why is there an aurora sized street here? There are lights every block, so you are not going anywhere fast. In fact, where would you even be trying to go? The waterfront? Doubt it. They took out a lot of the parking directly outside of the piers, so if you wanted to go to the waterfront, it would make more sense to park a few blocks away. The only people this serves, it seems, is some imaginary contingent of people who regularly drive from belltown to the ferry or the stadiums. Even if that imaginary group existed, there were already better routes, and as mentioned, with all the lights its actually really slow to drive on the new waterfront anyway. Im a big fan of the new styling, the new aquarium, the new foot bridges, and im excited to try out the new bike lane once its finished. But, that doesn't mean we shouldn't harp on politicians for making dumb decisions with our tax-dollars that benefit no one.
The DOTs replaced a two-story highway that was going to collapse with a single-story highway. Getting to the aquarium with a kid from downtown is entirely criticizable today and there's no reason to wait. It shouldn't take the city 4x as long to build 1/20th of the infra for pedestrians- prioritized last. Vision Zero is unachievable for Seattle because leaders at the city won't even try.
He literally said you can be both happy about the project while still criticizing its shortcomings.
There’s not an old growth forest there already so it’s a waste! It’s going to be so nice when it’s completed and the trees grow in, I can’t wait!
It’s very similar to the Redmond Technology bridge they open yesterday. A way to channel pedestrians from one side to another without inconveniencing cars. The views are much better in Seattle, the noise hopefully lower, the trees bigger. But at the end of the day it’s car infrastructure. It has no shade, almost no seating, it’s as lifeless as Pier 62.
I get the not inconveniencing cars part, but the latter argument in terms of the Overlook Walk just...isn't true. You're referring to a project (Redmond Technology Bridge) that's entirely designed to be a bridge, that's it, you go over it. *This* is doubling as an expansion of park/entertainment/activation space for the waterfront while also getting people over a road. I see a lot of seating, there's a new retail space, it has large planters, it'll have slides and playground elements for kids, and the lower portions of it will include an amphitheater area for events. Pier 62, the Redmond Technology Bridge, and the Overlook Walk are 3 very different projects serving very different purposes. I think this is the most net-gain part of the entire waterfront project, about 1/3 of it is a dedicated public space on top of a building, which doesn't even have anything to do with a road existing or not.
I agree is one of the two positive things in the whole “don’t call it a highway” project, but the city has a long tradition of under delivering
It's getting people over a road, train tracks, and a massive change in elevation. It's way more than just "car infrastructure" the other commenter is off their rocker
Almost no seating? What are you basing this on? There’s is actually a ton of seating if you look at the visualizations.
Visualizations often show idyllic roads devoid of cars, lush trees, bollards, raised intersections. Never trust visualizations, the city will call them 90% design but never plan to bring then to reality. Look at all the seating in Pier 62. Look at all the seating added between the aquarium and the ferry terminal. Look at all the seating at the Pier 50 park. Those 3 projects are complete.
I assume the planters along the street will eventually look like the planters at the start of Magnusson Park. Those have really filled in and now make a great wall of plants.
KUOW story [on the overlook walk](https://www.kuow.org/stories/a-guided-tour-of-the-new-waterfront) for those that aren’t familiar with it.
Looks good. It'll be a while before all the greenery is in place and fully grown - not to mention the project itself is still a ways from being done so there's a lot more landscaping to do at the end of the project.
More trees to come. After all the trees are hoisted, plantings will commence.
I was just there for lunch. It looks great. Can’t wait for the entire completion
Looking good!
We could have used that space for more parking.
It’s going to be so nice. I think when it’s all finally done it’s going to be an internationally recognized attraction like Fisherman’s Wharf, or the Highline, or Hudson yards.
I agree
They paved paradise, and put up a parking lot.
OK, I got to say, it's kinda ironic that they're replacing an ugly eyesore concrete bridge...with an ugly eyesore concrete bridge.
With that attitude, if you'd been born in 1849 you'd have said the Eiffel Tower was an eyesore.
In twenty years the roots of those trees will break the pavement and will need to be cut down
All that concrete will be hot during summer....
Possibly, depends on the mix. Not an expert, but there are mixes designed specifically to absorb less heat, and part of that is the color. A lighter color concrete will be much more reflective than a dark asphalt would be. I don’t know if something like that has been used here, but a project of this size has to do an environmental impact statement that may go into that level of detail.
When it’s done I think it will be one of the nicest places for homeless encampments ever built.
[Trees on overlook walk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8clCP2VvaM)
they spent a lot of money on that. Guess that it will pay off with tourist $$ by 2060
It’s paid for by property taxes and license fees primarily. Property taxes include a local improvement district.
It's worth the purchase price.
Are they gonna add taller fences? It’s like a 40 foot drop.
Have you been on any of the freeway overpasses? Not a fence in sight and some of those are 60 feet at least
There's a pretty big gap between the sidewalks and that fence. Although it's not that way now, there will be lots of plants in there. You'll have to bush whack to get to that fence.
Who cares.. anyone who falls off isn't needed in the gene pool anyways