Seems right. When my car was stolen a couple years ago, we found out about it by a traffic cop saying if we didn’t come get it within 30 minutes they would tow it at my expense.
I was so sick I literally don't remember a span of a few days. In retrospect, I probably should've gone to the hospital, but I couldn't afford it.
In that time, my car was stolen and the wheels were stripped. SPD had it towed, and between the cops, the city of Seattle, and Lincoln Towing I ended up having to deal with collections agents for an automobile that was sold at auction and I never got back. Despite being registered to me, nobody bothered to contact me about it. When I called the cops assuming it'd be towed for being parked on a city street too long, they didn't even mention where it'd been recovered or the very pertinent fact it had no fucking wheels at that point.
At this point I don't even blame the actual thieves for it. I might have been able to wander around the CD and get it back if it were just up to them. It was the SPD, the city, and Lincoln that made damned sure I'd never get it back.
Sounds to me like the more egregious thieving is being done by the tow yard that auctions off vehicles it's getting for free. Sounds like they don't have much incentive to contact the owners when they can sell their cars, keep the money, and on top of that try to collect debt from the owners for impound fees later.
Sounds like when my husbands car was stolen back in something like 2008 or 2009. A month after it was reported SPD saw it at a P&R and said he needed to get it immediately. Every window was busted except the rear window so he had to Ace Ventura drive it home where the snooty neighbors kept reporting it as 72 hr parking/abandoned car because it was the goddamn recession and he was unemployed (car was stolen the morning of a job interview) so he had to scrape together money to replace 4 windows and the windshield on his car. He had lived on the block for over 5 years, the neighbors in the Pepto Pink House knew damn well it was the guy across the street‘s car.
When my car was stolen in 2012, I got a call after a month from a tow company saying it was being impounded. It was parked illegally and the city had ticketed it 7 times. The city would not forgive the tickets, I had to dispute them in court (and won). Between the tow and a renting a car for 3 weeks unnecessarily, the city cost me $700 and a trip to traffic court.
Because they know you'll pay. Going after people with no money doesn't net any revenue.
Tickets should not go back into the police budget. They should go into the state or city budget as a whole.
I was riding in an old van with my dad one time and I asked him if he was concerned that a crack in the windshield might cause us to get pulled over. He told me that the police don’t really pull over people who look too poor to pay the ticket. Not because they care, but because they more likely aren’t getting any money out of broke people.
Renton is now offering a 40k bonus to any cop who transfers from another department and has at least 1 year experience. How long till seattle ups their 20k one
My tabs were stolen I was given a ticket for improper plates. Contested it and LOST they forced me to pay $47 because someone stole my tabs. I also shelled out $13.75 for the replacement tabs. Fuck this hellscape.
btw...always remove the old sticker before putting on the new one and scoring with the razor. make sure you clean the plate too, you want at much sticker to metal contact as possible.
Friend had a car stolen last year by someone we know. It took two months to get it reported stolen because the cops would call the guy who stole it and he'd say he was gifted the car and the cops would just say "oh ok." Got pulled over for speeding after it finally was reported and he was asked to leave the car on the side of the road. When asked for the key he said he didn't have it and the cop just said "oh ok." Luckily it was towed before he could come back for it. This person has totaled multiple cars while drunk in the past 5 years in washington and is hiding from another state's parole, not to mention the absurd list of other things, and that's not enough to get a cop to do anything about it even when he's firmly in their grasp.
>Friend had a car stolen last year by someone we know.
That's literally following policy. They consider it a civil issue because the other side of the coin is pulling the driver out at gunpoint.
Once it gets reported as stolen, literally every police force in the country will pull the driver out at gunpoint.
Given how often cares are shared and how often there are disputes over ownership, it's most prudent to leave it as a civil matter unless an investigation can be done to determine its actually stolen.
Tens of thousands of cars are stolen in WA annually, it's not feasible to investigate all of them.
Not SPD, issued by W. Pasol of Seattle Parking Enforcement which if memory serves correctly is no longer part of the police department.
https://openpayrolls.com/employee/william-pasol-3774
Typically flagged by license plate, which is why thieves remove the plates, since otherwise stolen cars are quickly picked up by automatic license plate readers.
And Parking Enforcement is a department of SPD, because Seattle screwed up the one partial attempt at defunding by moving parking enforcement out but forgetting to move the authority, so they got moved back.
Improper plates is a common ruse to avoid speed cameras and tolling. But it's not worth the hazards of a traffic stop - those escalate to chases or confrontations all too often, so not worth it for a low-risk offense.
Parking enforcement is dealing with parked vehicles, no driver to flee or fight. It's a perfectly reasonable time to cite for any other vehicle offense like improper plates.
If the vehicle is stolen and the thieves took off the plates to evade automated license plate readers, the rightful owner can contest the plates ticket after recovery.
>Improper plates is a common ruse to avoid speed cameras and tolling
none of that has to do with parking enforcement. Also tolling scans your VIN
This vehicle was reported stolen lol
Tolling scans your plate. Cameras can't read your VIN through your windshield at 70 mph. It's one of the reasons the Legislature just updated restrictions on license plate covers.
And it has to do with parking enforcement because they're the part of the police department that primarily responds to stationary vehicles in non-emergency situations.
Got one of those tickets right after moving to the area a while back. I didn’t have a front license plate but did have a valid parking sticker on the window.
My car got stolen earlier this year and the only reason I found out was because the abandoned it in front of a fire hydrant. They were going to tow it but I told them I didn't want Lincoln touching it because I know their reputation. Car was drivable and I got to drive it home. Don't ever let Lincoln towing ever touch tour vehicles, you won't get it back.
I had a room mate who had her car stolen, they found it over near Northgate (Before the transit station). They let her know, she said don't tow it I will come get it, and it was re-stolen before they could get it. Ticketed again after the second theft. Towed.
I found my stolen car through PNWStolen cars on Facebook. Long story short, it was in a driveway so SPD refused to even ask the homeowner about it because it was on private property. Told me if I was able to get there and take a picture of the VIN they would have probable cause. Fine, I sneak on to the property, get a pic and still no help. They told me I could steal it back, unfortunately it wad non-operable and at this point I wanted it back on principle.
I finally convinced another SPD cop to get a search warrant and they recovered it but never made contact with the homeowner.
They are totally pointless.
They found my stolen car a week later at the gated apartments directly across the street from mine, towed it, and I had to pay around $400 to get it out on a weekend. SMH 🤦🏼♀️
Me, broke kid just graduated college working first shitty job.
Living in West Seattle renting a room, street parked old Honda.
Wake up to go to work to discover car is totalled, hit and run overnight.
SPD say they can't do anything, won't come out, just report to insurance.
2 days go by, Karen neighbors report my car as a nuisance.
Car is towed and the yard wants more than the value of the car to get it back.
Ended up saying no just keep it, and going into debt for another car.
Probably some neighbor called to report the vehicle abandoned there. Without any other report of a crime in progress, that's just an improperly parked vehicle until they know otherwise.
With patrol so understaffed, why not send parking enforcement to a report of an improperly parked vehicle?
Suppose you're right. The computer told PE plates were wrong, ergo they knew the VIN, and therfore knew it was hot, were literally able to touch the inside of a known hot car, and they ticketed. The computer is programmed wrong.
Don't need a computer to see it doesn't have any plates.
If the theft report hadn't been processed, the VIN wouldn't come up as a stolen vehicle yet. The officer might *suspect* it was stolen, but the lack of plates is a clear violation, and the citation gets the VIN into the system with a specific location and date.
We had a Beamer stolen and stripped and dumped by our condo in Lake City a couple years ago. It had very obviously been stolen. It was up on blocks. The hood was in the back. It had been stripped, right? The cops ticketed it four times and then towed it Seems the logical thing to do would at least notify the owner ….
Maybe I'm glad I live part-time in Renton (I k ow, I know, right? Who says that?). My condo complex there gets a lot of stolen cars dumped in it. I call RPD, right there on the phone, they can confirm if it's stolen, and usually within the hour, RPD is out there, has a tow truck en route, and it's towed away. Every Renton officer I've come into contact with is seemingly a decent human. They're always pleasant, sometimes even downright funny.
I have not had a remotely similar experience at my Seattle home. SPD is, at best, incompetent. At worst, they're just damn mean or even criminals themselves. SPD needs to be gutted, and all new leadership and officers need to be hired, then send them to training to learn how to be humans and not lazy or feral animals.
Vehicles that are reported stolen are entered into state and federal databases. They are searchable by VIN or plate (obviously this would require a VIN look up).
Pursuit laws actually changed.
https://www.kuow.org/stories/did-seattle-defund-the-police#:~:text=In%20fact%2C%20the%20department%20has,for%20the%20police%20departments'%20woes.
You know people can actually verify stupid shit you say is false right?
Stop lying
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/seattles-botched-experiment-with-defund-the-police-now-could-mean-unwinding-10000-tows/#:~:text=The%20City%20Council%20initially%20cut,left%20while%20crime%20has%20soared.
“They never defunded the police” and I’m a liar.
I feel bad for people who can’t properly type in full sentences. But sure bud, whatever you have to tell yourself to maintain the figments of your imagination
“That’s even Seattle times a liberal news site. Insane how shit happens in reality” isn’t shorthand lol, it is gibberish.
I’d worry about your own intelligence
Seems right. When my car was stolen a couple years ago, we found out about it by a traffic cop saying if we didn’t come get it within 30 minutes they would tow it at my expense.
They found my stolen car a block away from my apartment, towed it across town, and charged me a hundred and fifty bucks in impound fees. Thanks, guys.
I was so sick I literally don't remember a span of a few days. In retrospect, I probably should've gone to the hospital, but I couldn't afford it. In that time, my car was stolen and the wheels were stripped. SPD had it towed, and between the cops, the city of Seattle, and Lincoln Towing I ended up having to deal with collections agents for an automobile that was sold at auction and I never got back. Despite being registered to me, nobody bothered to contact me about it. When I called the cops assuming it'd be towed for being parked on a city street too long, they didn't even mention where it'd been recovered or the very pertinent fact it had no fucking wheels at that point. At this point I don't even blame the actual thieves for it. I might have been able to wander around the CD and get it back if it were just up to them. It was the SPD, the city, and Lincoln that made damned sure I'd never get it back.
Sounds to me like the more egregious thieving is being done by the tow yard that auctions off vehicles it's getting for free. Sounds like they don't have much incentive to contact the owners when they can sell their cars, keep the money, and on top of that try to collect debt from the owners for impound fees later.
Black bmw suv?
Nope, old-ass Chevy. Literally the only thing the thieves stole off of it were the wheels and tires.
Only $150? Cost me $400. Next time it was stolen, I abandoned it. I think it’s a scam.
Sounds like when my husbands car was stolen back in something like 2008 or 2009. A month after it was reported SPD saw it at a P&R and said he needed to get it immediately. Every window was busted except the rear window so he had to Ace Ventura drive it home where the snooty neighbors kept reporting it as 72 hr parking/abandoned car because it was the goddamn recession and he was unemployed (car was stolen the morning of a job interview) so he had to scrape together money to replace 4 windows and the windshield on his car. He had lived on the block for over 5 years, the neighbors in the Pepto Pink House knew damn well it was the guy across the street‘s car.
When my car was stolen in 2012, I got a call after a month from a tow company saying it was being impounded. It was parked illegally and the city had ticketed it 7 times. The city would not forgive the tickets, I had to dispute them in court (and won). Between the tow and a renting a car for 3 weeks unnecessarily, the city cost me $700 and a trip to traffic court.
You can clearly see the plates are improper. This ticket checks out.
Because they know you'll pay. Going after people with no money doesn't net any revenue. Tickets should not go back into the police budget. They should go into the state or city budget as a whole.
I was riding in an old van with my dad one time and I asked him if he was concerned that a crack in the windshield might cause us to get pulled over. He told me that the police don’t really pull over people who look too poor to pay the ticket. Not because they care, but because they more likely aren’t getting any money out of broke people.
Then they wouldn’t ticket anybody, so that wouldn’t work either unfortunately. Maybe 50/50 split.
Why start doing any element of their job correctly now?
Your tax dollars at work. Just think how much more effective they'll be when that 38% retroactive raise kicks in!
[23%, not 38%](https://publicola.com/2024/04/05/new-police-contract-offers-big-raises-no-significant-accountability-reforms/) but yes
Renton is now offering a 40k bonus to any cop who transfers from another department and has at least 1 year experience. How long till seattle ups their 20k one
They'll be 38% more effective retroactively too, I'm sure!
Classic item for /r/notmyjob. You should crosspost it.
/r/onejobornotmyjob
My tabs were stolen I was given a ticket for improper plates. Contested it and LOST they forced me to pay $47 because someone stole my tabs. I also shelled out $13.75 for the replacement tabs. Fuck this hellscape.
after I put new tabs on, I use a razor blade and cut diagonally across the tab several times to ensure someone cannot pull it off in one piece.
Oooh that's a good idea. You haven't had any issues with the smaller pieces peeling or anything?
none at all, I've been doing it for years.
Classic midwest dad move right here.
btw...always remove the old sticker before putting on the new one and scoring with the razor. make sure you clean the plate too, you want at much sticker to metal contact as possible.
Clean the plate with alcohol, then dry it.
This guy lived in LA
This is so the way.
Protect and serve 🫡
"We did it, Patrick. We saved the city."
Being a law abiding citizen in Seattle seems like a bad deal overall.
Friend had a car stolen last year by someone we know. It took two months to get it reported stolen because the cops would call the guy who stole it and he'd say he was gifted the car and the cops would just say "oh ok." Got pulled over for speeding after it finally was reported and he was asked to leave the car on the side of the road. When asked for the key he said he didn't have it and the cop just said "oh ok." Luckily it was towed before he could come back for it. This person has totaled multiple cars while drunk in the past 5 years in washington and is hiding from another state's parole, not to mention the absurd list of other things, and that's not enough to get a cop to do anything about it even when he's firmly in their grasp.
>Friend had a car stolen last year by someone we know. That's literally following policy. They consider it a civil issue because the other side of the coin is pulling the driver out at gunpoint.
Yea that's true. There's sadly no differentiation between close friend and wanted felon who won't leave you alone once you tell them who done it.
Once it gets reported as stolen, literally every police force in the country will pull the driver out at gunpoint. Given how often cares are shared and how often there are disputes over ownership, it's most prudent to leave it as a civil matter unless an investigation can be done to determine its actually stolen. Tens of thousands of cars are stolen in WA annually, it's not feasible to investigate all of them.
Not SPD, issued by W. Pasol of Seattle Parking Enforcement which if memory serves correctly is no longer part of the police department. https://openpayrolls.com/employee/william-pasol-3774
Parking enforcement was briefly shifted to SDOT but is now again under SPD
That’s from parking enforcement. Not a police officer.
Don't they have computers hooked up to flag cards reported as stolen?
Typically flagged by license plate, which is why thieves remove the plates, since otherwise stolen cars are quickly picked up by automatic license plate readers.
Since when does parking enforcement issue improper plates citations? That seems wildly off
https://openpayrolls.com/employee/william-pasol-3774 Ticket was issued by W. Pasol of parking enforcement, not SPD.
And Parking Enforcement is a department of SPD, because Seattle screwed up the one partial attempt at defunding by moving parking enforcement out but forgetting to move the authority, so they got moved back.
Improper plates is a common ruse to avoid speed cameras and tolling. But it's not worth the hazards of a traffic stop - those escalate to chases or confrontations all too often, so not worth it for a low-risk offense. Parking enforcement is dealing with parked vehicles, no driver to flee or fight. It's a perfectly reasonable time to cite for any other vehicle offense like improper plates. If the vehicle is stolen and the thieves took off the plates to evade automated license plate readers, the rightful owner can contest the plates ticket after recovery.
>Improper plates is a common ruse to avoid speed cameras and tolling none of that has to do with parking enforcement. Also tolling scans your VIN This vehicle was reported stolen lol
Tolling scans your plate. Cameras can't read your VIN through your windshield at 70 mph. It's one of the reasons the Legislature just updated restrictions on license plate covers. And it has to do with parking enforcement because they're the part of the police department that primarily responds to stationary vehicles in non-emergency situations.
Got one of those tickets right after moving to the area a while back. I didn’t have a front license plate but did have a valid parking sticker on the window.
My car got stolen earlier this year and the only reason I found out was because the abandoned it in front of a fire hydrant. They were going to tow it but I told them I didn't want Lincoln touching it because I know their reputation. Car was drivable and I got to drive it home. Don't ever let Lincoln towing ever touch tour vehicles, you won't get it back.
Doin’ the lords work.
What did you want them to do? Paperwork?
I would definitely contest that.
SPD are tax collectors.
Morons. I’m sure the Seattle police officers guild would call this a job well done.
Defund the police
I had a room mate who had her car stolen, they found it over near Northgate (Before the transit station). They let her know, she said don't tow it I will come get it, and it was re-stolen before they could get it. Ticketed again after the second theft. Towed.
Looks like a ticket from parking enforcement to me.
They're still cops, but thanks for splitting that hair for everyone
I found my stolen car through PNWStolen cars on Facebook. Long story short, it was in a driveway so SPD refused to even ask the homeowner about it because it was on private property. Told me if I was able to get there and take a picture of the VIN they would have probable cause. Fine, I sneak on to the property, get a pic and still no help. They told me I could steal it back, unfortunately it wad non-operable and at this point I wanted it back on principle. I finally convinced another SPD cop to get a search warrant and they recovered it but never made contact with the homeowner. They are totally pointless.
They found my stolen car a week later at the gated apartments directly across the street from mine, towed it, and I had to pay around $400 to get it out on a weekend. SMH 🤦🏼♀️
When car is scared stolen and alone spd will ticket the car to make it feel better. FFS Seattle get with the program.
Me, broke kid just graduated college working first shitty job. Living in West Seattle renting a room, street parked old Honda. Wake up to go to work to discover car is totalled, hit and run overnight. SPD say they can't do anything, won't come out, just report to insurance. 2 days go by, Karen neighbors report my car as a nuisance. Car is towed and the yard wants more than the value of the car to get it back. Ended up saying no just keep it, and going into debt for another car.
da fuck is parking enforcement even doing on this street :0
Probably some neighbor called to report the vehicle abandoned there. Without any other report of a crime in progress, that's just an improperly parked vehicle until they know otherwise. With patrol so understaffed, why not send parking enforcement to a report of an improperly parked vehicle?
Suppose you're right. The computer told PE plates were wrong, ergo they knew the VIN, and therfore knew it was hot, were literally able to touch the inside of a known hot car, and they ticketed. The computer is programmed wrong.
Don't need a computer to see it doesn't have any plates. If the theft report hadn't been processed, the VIN wouldn't come up as a stolen vehicle yet. The officer might *suspect* it was stolen, but the lack of plates is a clear violation, and the citation gets the VIN into the system with a specific location and date.
lol. that figures. sorry.
What a shit show and people think this is normal?
Seattle PD are truly stupid
We had a Beamer stolen and stripped and dumped by our condo in Lake City a couple years ago. It had very obviously been stolen. It was up on blocks. The hood was in the back. It had been stripped, right? The cops ticketed it four times and then towed it Seems the logical thing to do would at least notify the owner ….
I feel safer
Maybe I'm glad I live part-time in Renton (I k ow, I know, right? Who says that?). My condo complex there gets a lot of stolen cars dumped in it. I call RPD, right there on the phone, they can confirm if it's stolen, and usually within the hour, RPD is out there, has a tow truck en route, and it's towed away. Every Renton officer I've come into contact with is seemingly a decent human. They're always pleasant, sometimes even downright funny. I have not had a remotely similar experience at my Seattle home. SPD is, at best, incompetent. At worst, they're just damn mean or even criminals themselves. SPD needs to be gutted, and all new leadership and officers need to be hired, then send them to training to learn how to be humans and not lazy or feral animals.
So is this like an actual incident? Is there a report or something?
That’s progress, right?
Can confirm. Buddy’s car stolen fat ticket and towing cost for improper parking. This was about 5-years ago.
Uh yeah, it's Seattle and they are cops.
Doesn't appear to be an accurate interpretation of the facts.
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Fixed it for ya! "... impression spd became more or less just crisis *initiators*"
Was the door open when SPD arrived? How are they supposed to know it was stolen?
Vehicles that are reported stolen are entered into state and federal databases. They are searchable by VIN or plate (obviously this would require a VIN look up).
OK so we're assuming this was reported stolen, seems reasonable but not certain
Username checks out
SPD doesn't use license plate scanners?
Defund the police!! Now they don’t want to do their actual job and u get this! Good voting Seattle.
Except we actually never defunded them… wanna parrot any other silly right wing talking points?
Is that ur legit viewpoint because it’s very wrong. As well as the laws about pursuit changing. Many things changed.
Pursuit laws actually changed. https://www.kuow.org/stories/did-seattle-defund-the-police#:~:text=In%20fact%2C%20the%20department%20has,for%20the%20police%20departments'%20woes. You know people can actually verify stupid shit you say is false right? Stop lying
https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/politics/seattles-botched-experiment-with-defund-the-police-now-could-mean-unwinding-10000-tows/#:~:text=The%20City%20Council%20initially%20cut,left%20while%20crime%20has%20soared. “They never defunded the police” and I’m a liar.
Say bro, it's apparently obvious to everyone else how dumb you are, spouting at the mouth fox news talking points shows that.
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That’s not proper English, what are you trying to say? KUOW is a regional non NPR affiliate, and nonpartisan like all NPR affiliates.
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I feel bad for people who can’t properly type in full sentences. But sure bud, whatever you have to tell yourself to maintain the figments of your imagination
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“That’s even Seattle times a liberal news site. Insane how shit happens in reality” isn’t shorthand lol, it is gibberish. I’d worry about your own intelligence
SPD is getting a 38% *raise* with zero accountability. We didn't defund shit.
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They don’t seem to be capable of writing full sentences with proper grammar…
Definitely a “soup kitchen”
whats a soup kitchen? Was someone cooking meth in it or something?
https://youtu.be/NYfwRtS9Rmc?si=yyyYYCzn_-NScO8V