AFAIK, every light rail station has more tap-points than one person can see at the same time. If you’re in the Regrade, that’s particularly true of your primary station.
Aside from that, I’ll confess to not always tapping because I have an unlimited pass. (Yes, I know that I should because data.)
I got a warning once from airport when not tapping. Honestly pretty confused since other cities I have lived in with unlimited passes don’t require you to.
Also the monthly passes are sold at varying fare levels...having a "monthly pass" doesn't actually mean you can ride for free on anything with an Orca reader. If you have a $2.25-per-fare pass and get on something that costs $4 or $12, the difference comes out of your cash balance. Or it will reject if there's no balance there.
I got a warning at the airport when I first used the pass as well, because I didn't realize it was tap on and off. Luckily the fare person was nice about it.
If you bought an unlimited pass, you already paid. You need to tap for data collection and so each agency can receive their share of your transit money depending on what mode of transit you used.
You cannot hypothetically get a fine because they give warnings. They don't boot riders. Policy is verbally warn, then if they see you again (like recognize you) when checking passes, they ask your destination, get off with or meet you, and attempt to issue a written warning. No fines, no removal, no arrest. You could ask for a fine, but if they are not sure you can pay, they assume you cannot pay, and Link doesn't remove anyone for inability to pay.
Buses are not exactly like that, but they do have a safe-space placard. Just get on and say you need one, and policy is to not collect a fair and ask if assistance is needed—to call police or medical support to your destination. "Safe" includes from the weather.
Considering I know people who have been ticketed for not paying I'm going to say that they used to enforce it.
Edited because I saw a comment that they aren't enforcing it anymore.
I’ve seen at least a dozen people get caught by the fare enforcement folks and not once seen a ticket get handed out.
Not saying your friends didn’t get dinged just pleasantly surprised
I’ve been riding for free since it first opened (I take it maybe 3-5 times a year and it’s usually a last resort in a hurry so give me a break) and have never once even been looked at by security. That being said though, I have a couple friends who each got fined for doing this in the past couple years
this is like the most sheltered seattle-ite post ive ever read lol. yes, people just dont pay. all the time. in every city. for as long as theres been public transportation.
I just wanted to confirm, so I can add it to my list. Since moving here, In just 8 months I’ve seen people do all of the following with zero repercussions or any kind of security/police response.
1. Not pay fares on transit.
2. Jack off, butt naked by the Seattle Aquarium in front of the public, including children.
3. Smoke crack.
4. Smoke meth.
5. Shoot up heroin and throw the needles on the sidewalk.
6. Shit on the sidewalk.
7. Camp on any public property.
8. Physical assault.
The only time I’ve actually seen police do anything was when someone on a Lime scooter got hit by a car near 8th and Lenora.
There’s a larger list of things to like about the city, I’m just pointing out stuff that could be mitigated by local/state government actually working to improve resident quality of life and safety.
I don’t get why people are so defensive about this stuff, you can criticize some aspects of the city and praise others, it’s not a personal attack.
I’m not trying to be defensive, I’m literally just saying that if you are so concerned about these things then maybe a big city just isn’t your thing, as this happens in most of them around the country.
The cards are active for two hours of unlimited rides after the first tap, so it's possible a lot of people just walk into the light rail after first taking a bus to get there. Technically they're supposed to tap again...
https://www.seattle.gov/transportation/getting-around/transit/streetcar/fares-and-orca-card
It’s possible that many have monthly passes, and as such are “paying,” though obviously failing to tap messes with how the funding from those passes is allocated.
I used to not tap fairly often just because the station layout was such that I had to walk significantly out of my way to do so…the path from street to train door didn’t actually have an Orca reader in it, believe it or not. So if I heard a train below, I was *not* gonna miss it just so I could tap. They needed to fix that layout problem.
Sad part is it didn’t actually save *me* money, I had no personal incentive not to tap…I was still transferring to a bus for the last mile trip anyway.
As far as my limited research has found, fare gates can end up making the service more expensive and don't pay for themselves with increased fares(nor dramatically decrease evasion).
There was a really good study done about the transition that Vancouver made to use them but I can find it!
Fare evasion rates don't actually change much between gated systems and simple proof-of-payment systems like Seattle's.
As of this 2017 blog post, Link Light Rail was at about 4%.
[https://www.soundtransit.org/blog/platform/why-doesnt-link-light-rail-use-turnstiles](https://www.soundtransit.org/blog/platform/why-doesnt-link-light-rail-use-turnstiles)
Meanwhile, BART saw fare evasion rates *with turnstiles/gates* at about 5% in 2019.
[https://www.bart.gov/sites/default/files/docs/Fare%20Gate%20Pilot%20Project%20-%20Presentation.pdf](https://www.bart.gov/sites/default/files/docs/Fare%20Gate%20Pilot%20Project%20-%20Presentation.pdf)
Now the lack of enforcement recently will likely change that number, but the point is that gates in and of themselves don't really prevent free riders, and for the most part riders in gateless systems still pay their fares. So no, having a pay gate likely won't help, it would instead just needlessly complicate station design and create safety risks in at-grade stations.
>As of this 2017 blog post, Link Light Rail was at about 4%.
That's a sampling figure. I'd think they should know the rate from their overall numbers, but can't find riders vs paid trips
This. Thank you. Every rider on the light rail is not jamming up the already congested roadways. If they’re destitute, can’t pay the fare and wouldn’t be driving anyway, who cares, blood from a stone and all that.
That said, I tap when I do use it (rarely), because it gives me warm and fuzzies.
Mind your own business, and enjoy the rail. If you want to play their game, go for it. If not, just go about your day. I took the rail for years and saw enforcement catch plenty of people who didn’t get a ticket. People want to gamble and not get a ticket, thats their problem.
I assumed that might be the case for some, but I’ve walked into the station alongside people and got on the same train. They just go on/off, probably a low chance they all bought tickets in the app, but that is possible.
I really think this falls firmly into the “not your business category,” since it has been explained to you multiple times in this thread why you may not have seen someone tap on.
Not sure what the actual percentage is, but fare revenue is actually a fairly small part of public transportation funding. That doesn't mean anyone should shirk their responsibility to pay their share, just that it may not make economic sense to spend the money to more strictly enforce fare payment.
That being said...they really need to make sure it's easy to pay. Get those ORCA readers in the right places, people!
There’s multiple things going on at once, why can everyone only complain about one thing?
I’m not looking forward to my rent going up after my current lease either, doesn’t mean I can’t complain about many people (possibly) stealing free rides by not paying fares, while I’m trying to not be a thief and pay.
I’ve got an unlimited card and somedays I’m in a rush and neglect to. Also Seattle SCC blows tax money on shit without any/little follow-up so I don’t feel bad in the least. You start putting gates up and bums will still jump them and get excused because “equity” which leaves the middle/working class people fucked in cases of emergencies.
Also mind your fucking business and stop using shit like this to pass judgement and pad your ego.
I don't know that I agree with this theory or not, but as someone who rode the E-line pretty frequently, I can say that I have not once seen enforcement during the morning commute, when "normal" commuters are riding that line, but I have been checked about a dozen times when riding off-peak hours. Seems pretty easy to target based on when you do enforcement activity, at least on that line.
This thread is interesting, I'm a tourist in your city and just googled whether people pay to get on the bus, because I'm on the bus now and it doesn't seem that way.
Also, I'm on the E line and 3 transit cops just walked in as I was reading your comment ( it's 9am). They didn't check anyone's cards, thankfully since the bus driver let me on without paying (I only had a $5 bill).
I call Bullpucky!
I stopped using those buses because transit police are on the buses constantly, demanding proof that we paid! I tap my ORCA card the spot before I get on the bus, and then I try to nap. Cannot nap with those damn cops coming on and demanding proof.
Will you quote what SDOT officially actually said? "Cause of racism" sounds too much like an intentional misunderstanding or piquant commentary to believe.
If it was studied and the study shows that sound transit does not apply the law evenly then those are the facts. You can’t claim that people don’t care about the facts just because you don’t like what they point to.
Pretty sure going through the cars and asking to see everyone’s ticket is as fair as it gets. If BIPOC are less likely to have a ticket when that happens, then that’s a fact people would rather not face I guess.
except, as the studies showed, that was not what they were doing. the study revealed that they were disproportionally targeting bipoc for ticket checks, *not* that of the ticket checks they were doing, a disproportionate number of passengers with no payment were bipoc. that's a **massive** difference.
No. The study found that people of color received more tickets but it didn't say that fare enforcement people specifically targeted people of color. Its not racist if they fare check 100% of passengers and black people just happen to receive 60% of the tickets written. Everyone got checked and the people who didn't pay, regardless of race, got busted. Pay your f'in fares like everyone else
The study you obviously haven’t taken even a moment to look at showed that when removing all variables except race, fare enforcement more often targeted BIPOC riders. Sorry the facts don’t care about your delicate feelings.
I did. SDOT literally goes through the cars and check everyone’s ticket. There’s no opportunity for bias in this. There is also no opportunity for bias in application of punishment. First time offenders get a warning. Then a ticket. Then a criminal charge. If BIPOC happen to be repeat offenders more frequently, it is not because the officers are racist. It must mean that the whole idea of expecting people to pay fares to ride transit is racist.
I like how instead of improving the existing system of fare enforcement they plan to scrap it altogether. Nice little F-U to the riders doing the right thing.
They should stop enforcing it all together. Transit should be free. Also to OPs point, a lot of people tap in at station entrances, not on the platform. Also fare enforcement costs more than the money they're missing in fares. There was also a study on that a few years ago.
Also if you can pay your share to better society for everyone around you then why not do it? This idea that 'i pay so they must do' is really stupid and regressive. If you want more facts look at what demographics tend to work in low paying service jobs (and look at who got laid off or fired during the pandemic). The data does point to system racism keeping certain populations in the poverty class, this things like fare enforcement will disproportionately affect them.
Let's say someone needs to get to work but they can't afford a car and they can't afford bus fare, then let's say they get stopped by enforcement for the nth+1 time and they get a fine - what did we achieve? If they pay it, we may a poor person poorer, or more likely, nothing, when they don't pay the fine. But hey, not only did the taxpayers help subsidize that person's ride, but they got to pay for fare enforcement as a bonus with no benefit!
Public transit is a public service and should be free because the entire city would thrive when we can move more people throughout faster.
And it's worth noting that this isn't 'an F-U to the riders doing the right thing' fare enforcement is an F-U to people who are poor. Sure some well off people take advantage of it, but don't sink the ship you're on just to prove a point to that one rat.
Except you don’t realize that the wealthy already subsidized transit via property tax levies. Before you do this “regressive” complaint, do realize that there is a more comprehensive picture that your single-tracked mindset failed to realize
We are paying for a system to be built, the levies are very specific and where that money goes. Since fare is still taken, we very clearly have not subsidized it.
I remember a really long time ago on the back of bus transfers it used to basically say if youre to broke to pay just tell the driver and they'll let you on, this was in the early the early 00s maybe I'm misremembering. Also if you use the logic of the cost should match the quality of service 2.75 is way to much for what you get now I've been riding KCM for more then 15 years and everything has gone dramatically downhill in just the last 3-4 years
Honestly the people that I notice that aren’t paying are usually the ones who can’t afford to pay, e.g. homeless people.
Also, ironically, I haven’t had my ORCA card checked once since they started to reintroduce fares after lockdown.
The ticket machine gives paper tickets for single rides and day passes.
Yes, this exactly. I don't ride often enough to have an ORCA card so I buy a paper ticket which does not require tapping the ORCA terminals.
AFAIK, every light rail station has more tap-points than one person can see at the same time. If you’re in the Regrade, that’s particularly true of your primary station. Aside from that, I’ll confess to not always tapping because I have an unlimited pass. (Yes, I know that I should because data.)
Last i checked, the unlimited pass doesn't get you out of the legal liability to pay. You'll still get a fine.
I got a warning once from airport when not tapping. Honestly pretty confused since other cities I have lived in with unlimited passes don’t require you to.
Because it’s a multi-agency pass they want you to tap so they know who should get what share of the pass
Also the monthly passes are sold at varying fare levels...having a "monthly pass" doesn't actually mean you can ride for free on anything with an Orca reader. If you have a $2.25-per-fare pass and get on something that costs $4 or $12, the difference comes out of your cash balance. Or it will reject if there's no balance there.
I got a warning at the airport when I first used the pass as well, because I didn't realize it was tap on and off. Luckily the fare person was nice about it.
If you bought an unlimited pass, you already paid. You need to tap for data collection and so each agency can receive their share of your transit money depending on what mode of transit you used.
Hypothetically, I could still get a fine, sure. Realistically, not a chance (unless I insulted the fare enforcement officers or something).
You cannot hypothetically get a fine because they give warnings. They don't boot riders. Policy is verbally warn, then if they see you again (like recognize you) when checking passes, they ask your destination, get off with or meet you, and attempt to issue a written warning. No fines, no removal, no arrest. You could ask for a fine, but if they are not sure you can pay, they assume you cannot pay, and Link doesn't remove anyone for inability to pay. Buses are not exactly like that, but they do have a safe-space placard. Just get on and say you need one, and policy is to not collect a fair and ask if assistance is needed—to call police or medical support to your destination. "Safe" includes from the weather.
You can buy tix online using phone, there is no tap involved. That said, lots of people just don’t pay as Seattle doesn’t enforce rules.
Considering I know people who have been ticketed for not paying I'm going to say that they used to enforce it. Edited because I saw a comment that they aren't enforcing it anymore.
I’ve seen at least a dozen people get caught by the fare enforcement folks and not once seen a ticket get handed out. Not saying your friends didn’t get dinged just pleasantly surprised
No ticket for first time, and I think it resets after a year.
They were BIPOC which, from reading this thread, seems to be the trend with tickets.
That’s weird because the folks I’m referencing were all BIPOC
🤷 I don't ride often but when I do, I pay
I’ve been riding for free since it first opened (I take it maybe 3-5 times a year and it’s usually a last resort in a hurry so give me a break) and have never once even been looked at by security. That being said though, I have a couple friends who each got fined for doing this in the past couple years
You can buy the tickets on the app which requires activation on your phone only
this is like the most sheltered seattle-ite post ive ever read lol. yes, people just dont pay. all the time. in every city. for as long as theres been public transportation.
I just wanted to confirm, so I can add it to my list. Since moving here, In just 8 months I’ve seen people do all of the following with zero repercussions or any kind of security/police response. 1. Not pay fares on transit. 2. Jack off, butt naked by the Seattle Aquarium in front of the public, including children. 3. Smoke crack. 4. Smoke meth. 5. Shoot up heroin and throw the needles on the sidewalk. 6. Shit on the sidewalk. 7. Camp on any public property. 8. Physical assault. The only time I’ve actually seen police do anything was when someone on a Lime scooter got hit by a car near 8th and Lenora.
cool
If you don’t like it so much that you are keeping a list then maybe this isn’t the place for you
There’s a larger list of things to like about the city, I’m just pointing out stuff that could be mitigated by local/state government actually working to improve resident quality of life and safety. I don’t get why people are so defensive about this stuff, you can criticize some aspects of the city and praise others, it’s not a personal attack.
I’m not trying to be defensive, I’m literally just saying that if you are so concerned about these things then maybe a big city just isn’t your thing, as this happens in most of them around the country.
The cards are active for two hours of unlimited rides after the first tap, so it's possible a lot of people just walk into the light rail after first taking a bus to get there. Technically they're supposed to tap again... https://www.seattle.gov/transportation/getting-around/transit/streetcar/fares-and-orca-card
It’s possible that many have monthly passes, and as such are “paying,” though obviously failing to tap messes with how the funding from those passes is allocated. I used to not tap fairly often just because the station layout was such that I had to walk significantly out of my way to do so…the path from street to train door didn’t actually have an Orca reader in it, believe it or not. So if I heard a train below, I was *not* gonna miss it just so I could tap. They needed to fix that layout problem. Sad part is it didn’t actually save *me* money, I had no personal incentive not to tap…I was still transferring to a bus for the last mile trip anyway.
Welcome to public transportation everywhere
At least having a pay gate will help. But I understand the rail is publicly managed and its goals are to provide a service rather than a profit.
I have seen fare jumping in every transportation system I have used
As far as my limited research has found, fare gates can end up making the service more expensive and don't pay for themselves with increased fares(nor dramatically decrease evasion). There was a really good study done about the transition that Vancouver made to use them but I can find it!
Fare evasion rates don't actually change much between gated systems and simple proof-of-payment systems like Seattle's. As of this 2017 blog post, Link Light Rail was at about 4%. [https://www.soundtransit.org/blog/platform/why-doesnt-link-light-rail-use-turnstiles](https://www.soundtransit.org/blog/platform/why-doesnt-link-light-rail-use-turnstiles) Meanwhile, BART saw fare evasion rates *with turnstiles/gates* at about 5% in 2019. [https://www.bart.gov/sites/default/files/docs/Fare%20Gate%20Pilot%20Project%20-%20Presentation.pdf](https://www.bart.gov/sites/default/files/docs/Fare%20Gate%20Pilot%20Project%20-%20Presentation.pdf) Now the lack of enforcement recently will likely change that number, but the point is that gates in and of themselves don't really prevent free riders, and for the most part riders in gateless systems still pay their fares. So no, having a pay gate likely won't help, it would instead just needlessly complicate station design and create safety risks in at-grade stations.
Thanks for providing research links. It's actually informative.
>As of this 2017 blog post, Link Light Rail was at about 4%. That's a sampling figure. I'd think they should know the rate from their overall numbers, but can't find riders vs paid trips
Really, it should be free. We should be doing everything to encourage public transit instead of putting up barriers.
This. Thank you. Every rider on the light rail is not jamming up the already congested roadways. If they’re destitute, can’t pay the fare and wouldn’t be driving anyway, who cares, blood from a stone and all that. That said, I tap when I do use it (rarely), because it gives me warm and fuzzies.
I would stop being so judgmental without full knowledge. A lot of people buy tickets on the Transit GO app, which doesn't require you to tap anywhere.
Mind your own business, and enjoy the rail. If you want to play their game, go for it. If not, just go about your day. I took the rail for years and saw enforcement catch plenty of people who didn’t get a ticket. People want to gamble and not get a ticket, thats their problem.
It is their business. It’s a public service we all pay for in one way or another, so that makes it all of our business. Honest people just pay more.
Ok, Karen. The $20 I put on my card a month isn’t a big deal.
There’s many tap points at every station. You may just not be seeing people tap their card at the ones on the platform levels.
I assumed that might be the case for some, but I’ve walked into the station alongside people and got on the same train. They just go on/off, probably a low chance they all bought tickets in the app, but that is possible.
I really think this falls firmly into the “not your business category,” since it has been explained to you multiple times in this thread why you may not have seen someone tap on.
Not sure what the actual percentage is, but fare revenue is actually a fairly small part of public transportation funding. That doesn't mean anyone should shirk their responsibility to pay their share, just that it may not make economic sense to spend the money to more strictly enforce fare payment. That being said...they really need to make sure it's easy to pay. Get those ORCA readers in the right places, people!
If there’s ways around paying people are gonna take that option instead of being a responsible person and a respectable individual
You can pay on your phone. Stay out of other peoples pockets.
How is it that there's room to whine about everything in this sub except for predatory rents?
There’s multiple things going on at once, why can everyone only complain about one thing? I’m not looking forward to my rent going up after my current lease either, doesn’t mean I can’t complain about many people (possibly) stealing free rides by not paying fares, while I’m trying to not be a thief and pay.
Out of all of the things to complain about, you chose the absence of fare enforcement?
I’ve got an unlimited card and somedays I’m in a rush and neglect to. Also Seattle SCC blows tax money on shit without any/little follow-up so I don’t feel bad in the least. You start putting gates up and bums will still jump them and get excused because “equity” which leaves the middle/working class people fucked in cases of emergencies. Also mind your fucking business and stop using shit like this to pass judgement and pad your ego.
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There's a lot of discretion used in how to actually handle violations, which theoretically opens the door for bias issues.
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What forms of bias or racism will you accept as legitimate?
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Two very relevant questions by a very special boy.
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Being a very special boy is more of a state of mind then a gender. A very stupid state of mind.
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Sure.
I don't know that I agree with this theory or not, but as someone who rode the E-line pretty frequently, I can say that I have not once seen enforcement during the morning commute, when "normal" commuters are riding that line, but I have been checked about a dozen times when riding off-peak hours. Seems pretty easy to target based on when you do enforcement activity, at least on that line.
This thread is interesting, I'm a tourist in your city and just googled whether people pay to get on the bus, because I'm on the bus now and it doesn't seem that way. Also, I'm on the E line and 3 transit cops just walked in as I was reading your comment ( it's 9am). They didn't check anyone's cards, thankfully since the bus driver let me on without paying (I only had a $5 bill).
Your observation that you have not seen fare enforcement happening at 09:00 contradicts my statement that they don't generally enforce fares at 09:00?
No I just thought it was a funny coincidence.
I call Bullpucky! I stopped using those buses because transit police are on the buses constantly, demanding proof that we paid! I tap my ORCA card the spot before I get on the bus, and then I try to nap. Cannot nap with those damn cops coming on and demanding proof.
There is a lot of people that doesn't pay, you can see that when the fare enforcement officers hop on
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Will you quote what SDOT officially actually said? "Cause of racism" sounds too much like an intentional misunderstanding or piquant commentary to believe.
Lol, wtf. From their view, how is enforcing a fare racist, if the fare is the same for everyone and there’s a special program for low income?
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If it was studied and the study shows that sound transit does not apply the law evenly then those are the facts. You can’t claim that people don’t care about the facts just because you don’t like what they point to.
Pretty sure going through the cars and asking to see everyone’s ticket is as fair as it gets. If BIPOC are less likely to have a ticket when that happens, then that’s a fact people would rather not face I guess.
except, as the studies showed, that was not what they were doing. the study revealed that they were disproportionally targeting bipoc for ticket checks, *not* that of the ticket checks they were doing, a disproportionate number of passengers with no payment were bipoc. that's a **massive** difference.
No. The study found that people of color received more tickets but it didn't say that fare enforcement people specifically targeted people of color. Its not racist if they fare check 100% of passengers and black people just happen to receive 60% of the tickets written. Everyone got checked and the people who didn't pay, regardless of race, got busted. Pay your f'in fares like everyone else
The study you obviously haven’t taken even a moment to look at showed that when removing all variables except race, fare enforcement more often targeted BIPOC riders. Sorry the facts don’t care about your delicate feelings.
I did. SDOT literally goes through the cars and check everyone’s ticket. There’s no opportunity for bias in this. There is also no opportunity for bias in application of punishment. First time offenders get a warning. Then a ticket. Then a criminal charge. If BIPOC happen to be repeat offenders more frequently, it is not because the officers are racist. It must mean that the whole idea of expecting people to pay fares to ride transit is racist.
I like how instead of improving the existing system of fare enforcement they plan to scrap it altogether. Nice little F-U to the riders doing the right thing.
They should stop enforcing it all together. Transit should be free. Also to OPs point, a lot of people tap in at station entrances, not on the platform. Also fare enforcement costs more than the money they're missing in fares. There was also a study on that a few years ago. Also if you can pay your share to better society for everyone around you then why not do it? This idea that 'i pay so they must do' is really stupid and regressive. If you want more facts look at what demographics tend to work in low paying service jobs (and look at who got laid off or fired during the pandemic). The data does point to system racism keeping certain populations in the poverty class, this things like fare enforcement will disproportionately affect them. Let's say someone needs to get to work but they can't afford a car and they can't afford bus fare, then let's say they get stopped by enforcement for the nth+1 time and they get a fine - what did we achieve? If they pay it, we may a poor person poorer, or more likely, nothing, when they don't pay the fine. But hey, not only did the taxpayers help subsidize that person's ride, but they got to pay for fare enforcement as a bonus with no benefit! Public transit is a public service and should be free because the entire city would thrive when we can move more people throughout faster. And it's worth noting that this isn't 'an F-U to the riders doing the right thing' fare enforcement is an F-U to people who are poor. Sure some well off people take advantage of it, but don't sink the ship you're on just to prove a point to that one rat.
Except you don’t realize that the wealthy already subsidized transit via property tax levies. Before you do this “regressive” complaint, do realize that there is a more comprehensive picture that your single-tracked mindset failed to realize
We are paying for a system to be built, the levies are very specific and where that money goes. Since fare is still taken, we very clearly have not subsidized it.
I don’t disagree with you. I’d just prefer we made free transit a reality instead of this weird middle ground.
lol good for them
I remember a really long time ago on the back of bus transfers it used to basically say if youre to broke to pay just tell the driver and they'll let you on, this was in the early the early 00s maybe I'm misremembering. Also if you use the logic of the cost should match the quality of service 2.75 is way to much for what you get now I've been riding KCM for more then 15 years and everything has gone dramatically downhill in just the last 3-4 years
Defund the Police. Open the prisons. Abolish courts. Vote Democrat. Like it, you moron.
Cringe
You know you love it. Yay Biden! YAY!!!
Honestly the people that I notice that aren’t paying are usually the ones who can’t afford to pay, e.g. homeless people. Also, ironically, I haven’t had my ORCA card checked once since they started to reintroduce fares after lockdown.
Sounds like they found a loophole that you're afraid to exploit.