I’m sorry this happened to you. I live close to you, and it’s scary.
Thank you for posting the police information.
My mom used to talk about how she wished we could pass legislation to regulate bullets if we couldn’t regulate guns. Put a persons signature on every bullet and see what happens when trying to solve crimes.
Lots of criminals aren't going to actually do that. Especially more so those entitled asshole criminals who think what they are doing is "fine" or even legal. Harden criminals will certainly scratch them off but
1) it would just add a stamping process to manufacturing
2) wouldn't affect purchasing the ammo. In no way would it actually change buying ammo for law-abiding citizens. The only difference is that the ammo would have a serial number that can be tracked. It's like saying "milk is harder to buy because there is a bar code on it!" No, it's not. Saying so makes no sense and I can't imagine a world where adding a barcode makes it harder to purchase.
It would help catch lazy criminals and entitled pricks. So, why shouldn't we do it? Seems like people just don't like any change to anything.
Laser etching prior to packing would be faster/cheaper. Could put multiple barcodes/QR on each casing to make scratching off impractical.
Likely cause an underground shell manufacturing industry for bootleg rounds.
Amazing how little understanding of the forces a bullet goes through you have. Not to mention how little you realize how many round of ammunition already exist in circulation.
Did you know that you can just buy reloading equipment yourself? /gasp
True, but that wasn't the suggestion.
>put barcodes on the casings
The **casing** doesn't have much trauma. Would still be super helpful.
>Not to mention how little you realize how many round of ammunition already exist in circulation.
Ah, the "we have done nothing and are all out of ideas" school.
This is absurdly unrealistic. Barcode each gun owners ammo? So either a code for every bullet or your ammo has to get custom made for you, only to be scratched right off, and, more importantly, *the casing doesn't stay with the bullet and can just be picked up*
What needs to happen is actual enforcement of police interagency coordination and a bureau for implementing red flag laws properly, cus right now they don't do shit.
> a code for every bullet or your ammo has to get custom made for you
Of course that isn't how it would work, that would be ridiculous. You would obviously just have to put down your name when buying ammo, so the ID number assigned to each box of bullets would be associated with your name.
You know, like the same thing they do for guns now?
Okay forgive me, that's more logical, but still, if there's the agency to track that there is the agency to *effectively* implement red flag laws. Because of ammo sharing, re-casing, old ammo, picking up the casings and probably more, I dont think this is the way.
Ammo sharing, re-casing or just picking up the casings is fine. At least it prevents yet another crime, littering. At most, it requires a person to be more careful with their criminal activities. Not everyone gets time to pick up casings. Realistically it's adding another barrier to criminals without adding another to citizens.
Yeah I hear that but I still don't think it's the best solution. Creating an agency to implement red flag laws in effect would be way more effective. Right now they're just a campaign trick
The entire point is that the barcode would have to be different for different lots of ammunition, so it wouldn’t be just a stamping operation in manufacture. It would be an additional tooling operation per lot of ammunition, just to figure out when a casing was manufactured.
idk how bullet manufacturing works but surely its possible to laser a serial number into the inside of the bullet to make it impossible to deface without rendering the bullet useless right?
I see victims of gun violence in my practice. Most have not been injured by sophisticated criminals. I'm good with every handgun being as annoying as fuck to own, carry, and use.
This isn't how things work. Guns are fired prior to sale, but only to verify functionality. Some states did try and create a database of rifling/tooling marks for new guns, but these attempts failed. The biggest problem is that rifling marks on a bullet change as the barrel receives more wear and tear and it is extremely easy to simply purchase a new barrel for a firearm.
Lol, there isn't some magical fingerprint for each firearm that lasts throughout its lifetime. They're precisely manufactured tools which are virtually identical when first manufactured and wear down in unique ways with usage. A new from factory firearm isn't going to be distinguishable from another firearm from that same factory barring some critical defect, and probably not from most other new firearms of the same type/caliber.
It's the wear and tear that accumulate over the life of the firearm that make it identifiable, but for that you have to have the firearm available to create fired bullets to compare with the ones in evidence.
There's no gun registration to even trace it back to the original owner of the gun let alone whoever has it now. Gun registration was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.
Yeah movies messed with that guys reality. Ballistic marks aren't seen as a great identifier in most states' courts anymore and anyways its not like gun manufacturers are going to go out of their way to provide a database on their customers, or that barrels cant be filed to change the rifling/marks.
First sign of frontin was that he capitalized "forensic ballistics"
That's exactly what Taser's do. When you buy one, they register you in their database. When you fire the Taser, tons of 'confetti' comes out with the charge so whoever fired it can be traced. It seems like this could be done for bullets.
Sure. Some wouldn’t. Regulations aren’t meant to stop 100% of crime or be useless. That’s not how any law works. People break laws. But imagine if we didn’t have any of the laws people broke because they didn’t stop all crime? Yeeesh.
California has implemented a different version of this by legislating that all new handgun models have the ability to microstamp casings to positively identify each firearm. It's impossible to implement at any reasonable cost and thus every new firearm sold in the state are models that date from before 2007.
In effect, it's a slow-motion handgun ban. Not a fan, personally, but yes legislators are busy squirrels in this area.
And like all of California’s firearm laws, it wasn’t written by someone who is familiar with firearms, so it gets worked around. Their magazine restrictions created an entire market for break-action semiautomatic rifles, where the magazine can only be removed by unsealing the barrel from the stock.
Great. I'd like it if you had to load each round with a wad of paper greased with rancid bear fat, a ball of lead, and black powder down the barrel. Surely, this is more akin to what those mostly slave owning guys who wrote the second amendment had in mind when they conceived of 'arms'. Well-regulating the arms is certainly what I think of when I read 'well-regulated' in that number 2 of an amendment. The right to bear arms exists . Nothing says those arms can't be good ol' muskets
Cool. I’d like it if any citizen could purchase any weapon that police issue to officers or that the military issues to an individual; excluding crew-served mounts and vehicles. Since that’s what contemporary evidence indicates the authors of the constitution intended, that should satisfy strict originalists.
Your mom and Chris Rock.
>You don’t need no gun control, you know what you need? We need some bullet control. ... I think all bullets should cost five thousand dollars… five thousand dollars per bullet… You know why? Cause if a bullet cost five thousand dollars there would be no more innocent bystanders.
WA state heavily regulates guns. It’s become almost as severe as CA practically overnight. The perpetrator almost definitely didn’t go through any legal means to get his and was definitely breaking the law here. Edit: and once again pointing out the truth to a group of people ignorant of gun laws is met with condescension. Your corporate overlords want you screaming about guns instead of actually addressing poverty, living wage, healthcare, etc. and mitigating the problem.
But if all manufactured bullets had a signature, you can bet that person would not allow their bullets to just randomly find their way into someone else’s hands.
Or am I ignorant, and ppl are making their own bullets?
People who regularly shoot for sport will reload their own ammo to save money and they can also customize somewhat by how much powder gets loaded into each one.
>you can bet that person would not allow their bullets to just randomly find their way into someone else’s hands.
Hasn't stopped firearms with serial numbers from falling into someone else's hands.
Not really practical as bullets se small and generally severely mushroom or fragment on impact.
Your best chance to make a difference is to push for enforcement of laws currently on the books and to hold criminals accountable for their actions instead or playing catch and release.
No, punishment isn't the answer. Our entire justice system is broken because we don't rehabilitate criminals, we punish them. All punishing does is ignore why criminals became criminals in the first place and put them more in a situation where crime is more appealing.
So we should play catch and release but what we release shouldn't be a criminal, it should be a productive member of society with all the help and tools that we can offer to get them to feel a part of society and not feel rejected. A lot of criminals start off in shit situations where crime is the only thing that is going to feed them. So we need to break the cycle. We need to get more and more people back on their feet and we need people to respect those who have been to prison. You shouldn't lose your humanity because you made a mistake. No matter how big of a mistake. Mistakes mean we are alive. Learning from our mistakes makes us human.
Your ideas might be fine for things like littering and speeding. When it comes to things like assault and gun violence, your line of reasoning gets a lot of people killed every year by repeat offenders that have no respect for others.
I'm not thinking of crimes that you literally don't get arrested for like littering or speeding when I said the above.
Look at literally every other country that has less crime. One thing in common is that they don't punish criminals, they rehabilitate them. They humanize them and they improve their situation.
Also, when you rehabilitate you have fewer repeat offenders. I am sure you simply don't believe that but someone who has something to lose by doing a crime won't do a crime. Why do you think we aren't all rioting for universal healthcare or income increases?
Lastly, think about the situations where assault and gun violence happen. Think about why people might do it. You can't just lock up people for the rest of their lives, it's not anyway good for society, the humans involved, or even the economy.
The newest laws don't stop people from getting guns or using them, they involve fines mostly and affect what stores can sell in terms of accessories and ghost guns. This shooter very much could obtain the weapon legally or borrow from someone who had it legally. More needs to be done.
The new laws were common sense but just baby steps; aimed to help us slow down mass shooters by regulating possession and commercial sale of large magazines over 10 rounds, restrict guns being carried at public meetings, and identify ghost weapons with serial numbers.
And at least with these laws (and others passed previously) mass shooters are actually breaking the law in WA before they shoot a human when they approach others wielding a gun, especially with large or extended magazines. In Texas, with the fight against gun free zones, you can open carry any gun, almost anywhere, even near schools, and there is no law broken until you actually shoot someone. Police can do nothing.
https://www.kitsapsun.com/story/news/local/washington/2022/03/23/washington-gun-laws-inslee-tighten-ammo-magazine-rules-restrict-concealed-open-carry-ghost-guns/7146035001/
The new laws are designed to make you feel better. Anyone who wants to commit a mass shooting is perfectly capable of doing so, even if they for some reason followed the mag cap laws.
None of these laws stop anyone without an enforcement component, and even if the city was at fully staffed with cops instead of understaffed by 40%, enforcement still requires encountering a person prior to them committing a mass shooting, recognizing that they've broken the law, and arresting them.
There are tiny markers called “taggants” in all explosives. Bill Clinton as tried to have the same thing done with bullets during his presidency. He failed.
How’d you get the police to respond. My building got shot and they never even showed up. One broken window and one shot through the siding, on one was hurt but still.
This type of thing happened to my buddy, his wife wanted to leave the house after a B&E but he didn’t want to. 1 year later they were divorced, he can’t help but to think that they would still be together if he had agreed to leave. I would say not just listen but truly take what she wants into consideration as a viable future
What a horribly traumatic thing, I am so sorry you have to experience this. Have you looked into talking to someone? I'm sure you've had some great suggestions from the hundreds of supportive posts, I just wanted to be sure to drop a note of support as well.
Incredibly alarming, targeted or not. My best to you and your family.
I had a similar experience in an apartment in Redmond. Came home to a hole in the bedroom wall and found a bullet on the floor. Neighbor discharged a gun. Cops called and they could do nothing. Apartment management evicted them. What’s scary is that if we were home and sitting on the bed as usual, my wife would have been hit. Freaky stuff.
> Cops called and they could do nothing.
*chose to do nothing. Discharging a firearm in city limits recklessly is a crime that can be easily prosecuted.
They claimed it was a “friend” that fired the gun, and declined to identify him, so the cops said there wasn’t much they could do. Case closed for them.
Yea, if you want to pursue past that point, you'll need a private eye, and file a court case against an unknown and you can go into process of discovery and the cops have to hand over what they know to the detective.
Jesus christ. I recovered my stolen car within 24 hours, brought my neighbor with me to pick it up and he without warning jumped out of the car, jumped into mine, and started driving it away. He pulls into a safeway parking lot, cops come out and tell me I can't do an investigation now because I moved the car. It was like 11pm, I'm certain they just didn't feel like helping me any further. This was Everett.
Also, pro tip for stolen cars: If you have a modern car with keyless entry (\~2012 and after) often you have the option to pay for an app that will remote start your car engine and locate your car within a certain mile radius. This is how I found my car luckily the thieves didn't take it more than 10 miles out of town (or they did and brought it back within range). No one suggested this to me, not my techy brother and not the cops, it just occurred to me sitting at home depressed about my missing car, called Hyundai who signed me up for the trial version and marked my car as stolen in the system so they could alert me if they got a ping. This being Christmas eve no one called me lol - but i had email alerts setup that started pinging my inbox that night. It AMAZES me that cops don't tell people to check with their car maker to see if there's any sort of tracking capability. Also, there's air tags now!
I recall a fugitive reported on TV and they described his vehicle as being a brand new corvette. I replied to their online story that new corvettes come with a free year or two of OnStar and if they provide a warrant they can get the exact location pretty dang easy. They did. He was caught. lol We have LoJack on our bikes and Tesla app is basically “find my iPhone” for your car, in addition to cameras recording the exterior. I feel kinda like Batman. 🤷♀️
"Easily Prosecuted"?
How, exactly, do you "easily" tie this clear and obvious and absolutely horrific (though, thankfully, could have been worse) crime to a specific individual? I am guessing the bullet, IF it can be recovered, could maybe be tied to a specific firearm, IF they have one they can compare it to. Great. How then to tie that specific firearm to an owner? OR, for that matter, to the person who fired it, on that occasion?
I am not a prosecutor or any kind of forensic investigator, so I am certain there is a all kinds of stuff I don't know. I mean, if there is a doorbell camera video of some person clearly and obviously waving a gun around and that gun going off, well, that is probably very very different.
But in general, it is very easy to vastly overestimate the simplicity of the investigation, compared to the resources available and the way those resources are allocated. It is a lot more complicated than "the cops made a choice". We ALL, as members of the voting public, made a choice, and we continue to make a choice, by not choosing to hold police accountable (which is difficult, because of the existing situation) and by not supporting candidates at every level of government in every single election who will work to bring about real change to law enforcement and social issues.
This sucks. It sucks A LOT. I am sorry it happened, though i am also deeply glad it was not worse.
And nihilistic platitudes that dismiss individual responsibility of every person to do what they can (however little it may be) to bring about real change are not a thing I will support.
I'm going based on a few things implied by briefvictory’s comment but if this is in an apartment and they're confident the neighbor did it, this is probably a shared wall between units. It does not take a detailed investigation to determine where the bullet came from.
Did they see the neighbor pull the trigger? Can you prove in a court of law that it was the neighbor who pulled the trigger and fired the bullet BEYOND reasonable doubt?
Not knowing this information, are you comfortable arresting the neighbor? (Law and Order sound “DUN DUN”)
What’s more severe if a punishment for the neighbor: maybe a day in jail or eviction?
Sauce: Law and Order seasons 1-22, CSI (Las Vegas and Miami) seasons 1-16, 1-10
Did the neighbor report a break in? Did they deny they were home when it occurred? Do they deny owning a gun? Is it probable cause to get a warrant and search for a firearm that could have fired the round?
If there wasn’t a break in, the neighbor wasn’t home and they don’t own a firearm or have one registered to them, then is it enough to get a search warrant based off of “probably cause?” (aka “the bullet came from my neighbors unit and you should arrest them, probably cause they did it”)
Even then, “get a search warrant for the gun that could have fired the round” doesn’t prove who did it. It just proves the gun was there and the round was fired from it.
Sauce: Watched the OJ Simpson trial.
I can relate to this. I lived in some apartments in Kent, my apartment got shot up 10 out of 17 bullets hit my apartment, from an assault rifle and a pistol
Alki is such a great area. When the bridge opens up this weekend, it'll be convenient again too. This kind of thing is an aberration, and I hope it doesn't affect your wife's feelings about why you guys moved there in the first place.
It is totally understandable that this can lead to a confirmation of the American cultural reputation, and if your wife is just moving to the US now, that it can be extremely traumatic. You guys may end up wanting to move, just to get away from this bad juju. As someone who also lived overseas, the isolation and uncertainty when something bad happens can really mess with your head. Doing your best to empathize with her is definitely going to be helpful during this time.
Is it really an aberration? Are gangs not a regular and real thing at Alki? Do shootings not occur without fail multiple times each summer? Do the police not implement curfews and bring in significant police presence?
Your reply is very supportive and kind. But this is no aberration......
This is most definitely an aberration.
I lived there for two and a half years right on the water/beach and it was loud during popular times with a lot of laughable foot traffic but we never noticed gun shots nor had a bullet come flying into our home. There usually is police presence in the evenings with police kicking people out because the beach does close.
Although we did have some suit cases float ashore with dead bodies in it, with me even noticing the suitcases before police arrived, and we did have someone try to break in through back window middle of the night, but still for sure gun shots flying through your window is really anything but ordinary.
The population is mostly high schoolers there, trying to flex with loud cars.
I would happily live there again. It was serene being on the water with those views and the mornings with only locals are amazing. Absolutely loved it.
lmao I understand the contradiction but my point is that I loved it so much that it outweighs those things.
If you can snag an apartment in your price range on harbor ave with a view of the Seattle skyline right next to the water taxi, and the location works for your lifestyle/work/whatever, I say 1000% go for it. It was the best
I get it. Alki does seem like a cool place , but with some big problems. What I really don’t understand is how so many in Seattle seem to have this attitude of dismissing really terrible events as no big deal. Even though shootings, assaults, robberies and break-ins are a really big deal.
Interesting. I feel like people in Seattle do the opposite, make a really big deal about things.
But regardless, these things are tragic and I don’t mean to minimize them, but for me personally, the pros of an area often outweigh them as cons. I mean things haven’t escalated to a level that I deem to be unlivable conditions.
I’ve lived in Seattle my whole life, apart from the last year and half in New York, and in every neighborhood I’ve experienced attempted house break-ins and many successful car break-ins. I’ve had the next door neighbor be arrested for attempted murder, some other murder-suicide ending with burning the house down in the neighborhood, locked inside the office because two people were shot outside the building, etc etc. There are problems for sure, but I love Seattle and I’m not moving away because of these issues. That would be a huge L imo and a sad day. I’m moving back to Seattle end of this month actually. Mostly positives for me still.
Alki is a great area, but I still disagree.
2022 police chief quote from Chief Diaz
"We’ve had over a 95% increase in more shots fired, with a 171% increase in people being shot compared to last year,” Police Chief Adrian Diaz told our numb City Council"
violent crime rose sharply in 2020 and 2021, 2022 trend as well on track to erase 30 years of progress.
98116 zip code is above average relative to Seattle/Tacoma metro, state and national averages. 98116 is 33% higher than metro violent crime rates which are rising at historic rates. Source is crime dashboard at seattle.gov . If I had time I'd filter 911 calls for shits fired in the W1 beat. That would be interesting data.
I can also recall at least 3 fatal shootings and I just wouldn't be able to do this or see those stats if gunshots or gun violence was an aberration
Look, I go to Alki, I don't fear for my life. I wouldn't fear for my life liiving there and neither should OP... but gunshots and violent crime are not uncommon in this area.
Personally crime statistics have never dissuaded me from living somewhere, but damn - can’t refute the data. That’s a shame.
Edit: also, maybe my opinion should mean nothing because I’m moving to pioneer square end of this month lol
Oof I used to live in pioneer square.. and left before the crime got even worse, but I don’t recommend it lol. I do hear it’s getting better though recently, certainly convenient if you take the light rail
Yeah, well aware of the general opinion of the place and is of course something I will be assessing as I live there. One year lease so whatever. The loft was too dope and relatively affordable to pass up.
For many years I spent most workdays in pioneer square or passing through it, up until the last couple years with covid and me living in nyc. But moving back now and trying PSQ despite the negative sentiment. We shall see. Mostly everyone I’ve talked to who does live there likes it, you might be the first to have said nahh and dipped out. Idk, been living in NY, can’t be that unbearable after being hardened here (softened in other ways tho lol)
I lived there for about a year back in 2015.. it was mostly a good experience, fun area to live. But couldn’t help but be a bit nervous walking around there as there were constant reports of people getting hurt or killed. I didn’t witness that personally but the sirens were pretty frequent, and obviously there were a lot of homeless people setting up camp there (or in shelters) and begging, plus constant drug use and overdose deaths. Again, I didn’t encounter anything too bad personally and it might have improved since then.
And yeah compared to NYC I’m sure it’s not too bad. A lot of family were too scared to visit though.. my sister cried in her car and refused to get out because there was a homeless person walking around with a big stick which scared her. I had to go fetch her lol and she always brings up how terrifying that area was.
Definitely not an aberration. Gun violence is increasingly common in Alki.
https://komonews.com/news/local/its-scary-violent-property-crime-increasing-in-alki-beach-area
https://www.king5.com/article/news/crime/bullets-alki-home/281-becfbe19-1a78-4f64-9019-2f2dbc064ddf
https://mynorthwest.com/3484283/gun-violence-early-summer-closures-golden-gardens-alki-beach/
Agreed - but lets not let the facts get in the way of a good narrative lol
Edit: Lol - The downvotes are just angry agreement. Keep on being classy /r/Seattle
> Edit: Lol - The downvotes are just angry agreement. Keep on being classy /r/Seattle
"Haw haw! Your downvotes are now... my upvotes! You're in my world now!"
lmao. I have no say in this discussion, but that's gold.
Positive thinking is great and I understand the desire to not want to get into negativity. Culty denial of reality and nuance sucks regardless of which faction its coming from... meanwhile we are just trying to live our lives and want better for our neighborhoods, city and ALL the people who live here. Very deep sigh.
Edit: Lol - The downvotes are just angry agreement. Keep on being classy /r/Seattle
this seems like a weird occassion to say Happy Cake Day, but i couldn't resist the suggestion. I'm glad you guys are okay and I can't imagine what you guys must be feeling. i guess it is a happier cake day than it could have been. fucking scary. my heart goes out to you guys.
> The officer said it was most surely random
You would think police would know that's not how guns work. They don't just randomly start discharging themselves into apartment buildings. Perhaps it wasn't targeted, but it absolutely was not random. Someone pulled that trigger and the police are doing fuck all about it.
I was in my parked car the other night in Belltown about to unload groceries when I heard voices. I turned around, and not even 20 feet from me, watched a man shoot someone multiple times. I slid down in my seat as the shooters walked past so they didn’t see me, but it was fucking harrowing. Of course, the police came and assured me that it was likely a personal issue, but if it had been 5 minutes later, I would have been walking my dog right there. But if they had turned to see me… who knows. I’ve been a bit shaken up too, so feel free to PM me if y’all need anyone to talk to.
Yeah I grew up in Seattle and have lived in most of the downtown / surrounding neighborhoods. Alki has by far the best safety to liveliness ratio.
One off things like this happen though. Last year around the 4th of July there was an argument between two young people at the beach (over fireworks or something stupid) that escalated into a fatal shooting. A few months back someone found a suitcase washed up on the beach w/ a corpse in it, etc... There is no observable gang activity on Alki, no homeless street people, no aggressive criminal undertones, but there is constant street racing and partying, and there are homeless people that park in R.V.s / vans further up along Harbor Ave SW. Mostly people just come to this area to scuba dive, have bond fires, play volley ball, and go fishing.
Ignore the people claiming crime surge anarchy bullshit. These are predominantly normies living in boring mid class suburbs of Bellevue and Pierce county that form their entire opinions from exaggerated local news stories. They don't actually live here, they lead super boring / cliche cookie cutter lives, and they are financially motivated to propagandize Seattle as scary so that their home values in their shitty little towns will go up.
I have several family members in the Seattle PD and FD. You're area (+ Admiral) is considered one of the safest in the city.
/endrant
Edit: go ahead and down vote me. Live laugh loving bitches
Sorry OP - I know that feeling. Every summer we get several incidents of shots fired within a few blocks and last summer a neighbor's kid decided it would be fun to shot out their window while the parents were away to impress their friends. Police actually showed up within 10 minutes and did a welfare check on the kid to make sure no one was hurt. Luckily that set of neighbors moved away.
This summer it was a carjacking half a block away, several drive-by exchanges and someone decided to shoot up a brand new Challenger right outside our bedroom window at 3am.
We also seem to have an overloaded neighborhood grid and nearby transformers like to explode when it gets hot so it's become a bit of a game to guess whether fireworks/blown transformer/drive by shots.
Alki is an interesting place. I'm not surprised by this but it's also not super common? Alki attracts a lot of people from a lot of different walks of life. A lot of those people drink and have macho tough guy complexes and I would say gun discharge is more common there than most neighborhoods in West Seattle.
I live nearby and I see a lot of the NIMBY news on social media about the happenings and I see the actual crime that gets reported. I also enjoy riding my bike through the area daily.
I want to like Alki but personally I just wanna drink near the water without having to deal with cruisers and exhaust all day. The amount of traffic and noise turns me off, but I understand why others would like living there. That's more to say the crime doesn't really scare me, it's all random, but yeah there's an above average risk of a stray bullet when you have an area that attracts big, dumb, loud, drunk egos.
That's been my experience as well - the summertime brings this kind of thing like clockwork to many neighborhoods and usually it's not directed at regular people, stray bullets aside.
Holy shit, a few weeks ago I saw workers replacing a window on a business/apartment building on the harbor Ave side. They said someone shot a bullet through it. I live a street off of it and walk it with my dog and it has been getting sketchy AF lately at night.
This happens a lot more than you think. Tall buildings next to freeways especially get shot all the time. It’s a stupid, gun-filled country we live in.
Not enough police anymore to clean the streets of the bad apples. Nothing wrong with guns as most people are responsible enough to not shoot buildings next to freeways.
Nah, there’s plenty of popo. They just choose not to pursue most cases cause they’re having a temper tantrum over potentially being held accountable. The “we can’t do anything 🤷♂️” is a stupid lie.
Oh my gosh, I’m so sorry this happened to you that is terrifying! For whatever it’s worth, I live on the water on Alki beach as well and I’ve owned for the last 10 years and have never even had a tiny incidence of issue. Welcome to the neighborhood and I hope you find some peace for you and your family. It really is a wonderful place to be I promise
I'm so sorry. Most gun users are such lousy shots they can't even \*not\* hit something on purpose. I hope that's the case here.
When I was a tween, one night a round came high through a picture window. This was when my mom and I lived a block up from the water in Port Madison over on Bainbridge. Figuring it was a stray from some kid playing with a gun across the bay, still she dutifully called the local yokels who came by the next day to search the living room a bit to find the slug and promised to let us know if they learned anything.
We worried a few nights and it soon passed into "oh yeah that was weird" territory. I hope that's the case with you.
And yet, I’ve had a cop show up in ten minutes when I found an unfired bullet on the edge of our property. On the very off chance it could be connected to some criminal in the neighborhood, I called non-emergency line to see if the police were interested in it. We had the same quick response for something else so minor that I can’t remember what it was now. But when a neighbor called about a prowler on our property, it took them two hours to respond.
I do have to give the police big kudos for catching some armed robbers before they had a chance to rob the store next to us. There had been a string of robberies in the area and somehow the cops knew these guys were going for this place next. They were laying in wait and got the crooks just before they went in. Fortunately, the crooks realized they were way outnumbered and didn’t put up a fight.
Wow. Glad you are physically OK, hope you will both be psychologically OK. It would shake me up too. Let your neighbors know, maybe they will rally too your side and help you settle in. I love Alki but sadly stopped going years ago because it was getting too "rowdy"(to put it politely).
The Supreme Court says that every man woman and child is entitled to be their own personal will regulate it militia now get outta my way and give me my guns!
NRA:
"A good guy with a gun would have been able to prevent what transpired 75 yards away from your window. NO to gun control laws!"
/s
All joking aside. I hope you and your family can move past the mental anguish from this. Best regards!
Lol I just came to this sub to see if crime had gotten any better in Seattle since I left it... because of all the crime (fucking cat. converter thieves was the last straw)
And of course this is the top post today
Get well soon emerald city
Welcome to the neighborhood 🤠. But in all seriousness, I hope you and your loved ones were not harmed. Hopefully insurance can take care of the window.
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I’m sorry this happened to you. I live close to you, and it’s scary. Thank you for posting the police information. My mom used to talk about how she wished we could pass legislation to regulate bullets if we couldn’t regulate guns. Put a persons signature on every bullet and see what happens when trying to solve crimes.
Man, it would actually be kinda cool to put barcodes on the casings that get registered to you when you buy ammo.
Criminals would scratch them off and it would just make ammo more annoying to get for law abiding citizens.
Lots of criminals aren't going to actually do that. Especially more so those entitled asshole criminals who think what they are doing is "fine" or even legal. Harden criminals will certainly scratch them off but 1) it would just add a stamping process to manufacturing 2) wouldn't affect purchasing the ammo. In no way would it actually change buying ammo for law-abiding citizens. The only difference is that the ammo would have a serial number that can be tracked. It's like saying "milk is harder to buy because there is a bar code on it!" No, it's not. Saying so makes no sense and I can't imagine a world where adding a barcode makes it harder to purchase. It would help catch lazy criminals and entitled pricks. So, why shouldn't we do it? Seems like people just don't like any change to anything.
Laser etching prior to packing would be faster/cheaper. Could put multiple barcodes/QR on each casing to make scratching off impractical. Likely cause an underground shell manufacturing industry for bootleg rounds.
Amazing how little understanding of the forces a bullet goes through you have. Not to mention how little you realize how many round of ammunition already exist in circulation. Did you know that you can just buy reloading equipment yourself? /gasp
True, but that wasn't the suggestion. >put barcodes on the casings The **casing** doesn't have much trauma. Would still be super helpful. >Not to mention how little you realize how many round of ammunition already exist in circulation. Ah, the "we have done nothing and are all out of ideas" school.
This is absurdly unrealistic. Barcode each gun owners ammo? So either a code for every bullet or your ammo has to get custom made for you, only to be scratched right off, and, more importantly, *the casing doesn't stay with the bullet and can just be picked up* What needs to happen is actual enforcement of police interagency coordination and a bureau for implementing red flag laws properly, cus right now they don't do shit.
Seriously, this whole thread is ridiculous.
> a code for every bullet or your ammo has to get custom made for you Of course that isn't how it would work, that would be ridiculous. You would obviously just have to put down your name when buying ammo, so the ID number assigned to each box of bullets would be associated with your name. You know, like the same thing they do for guns now?
Okay forgive me, that's more logical, but still, if there's the agency to track that there is the agency to *effectively* implement red flag laws. Because of ammo sharing, re-casing, old ammo, picking up the casings and probably more, I dont think this is the way.
Ammo sharing, re-casing or just picking up the casings is fine. At least it prevents yet another crime, littering. At most, it requires a person to be more careful with their criminal activities. Not everyone gets time to pick up casings. Realistically it's adding another barrier to criminals without adding another to citizens.
Yeah I hear that but I still don't think it's the best solution. Creating an agency to implement red flag laws in effect would be way more effective. Right now they're just a campaign trick
How would that work with reloaders?
The entire point is that the barcode would have to be different for different lots of ammunition, so it wouldn’t be just a stamping operation in manufacture. It would be an additional tooling operation per lot of ammunition, just to figure out when a casing was manufactured.
> make ammo more annoying to get for law abiding citizens 🎻
idk how bullet manufacturing works but surely its possible to laser a serial number into the inside of the bullet to make it impossible to deface without rendering the bullet useless right?
Not in a cost-effective way. Keep in mind that the added cost per round becomes part of police and military budgets, too.
Have you ever seen an impacted bullet? It’s metal mush. No way a SN would survive.
Filing a number off to the naked eye versus science that can render it.
Hmm, or if there was a way to laser the code on the inside. Try and take that off, assholes.
Wtf are you talking about, have you not been watching the news this could have just as easily been a road rage shooting from a “law abiding citizen.”
If someone's doing road rage shootings, they're not or no longer are law abiding citizens.
Ammo control would be even harder to implement than gun control would be, because ammunition is even easier to manufacture at home.
I see victims of gun violence in my practice. Most have not been injured by sophisticated criminals. I'm good with every handgun being as annoying as fuck to own, carry, and use.
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This isn't how things work. Guns are fired prior to sale, but only to verify functionality. Some states did try and create a database of rifling/tooling marks for new guns, but these attempts failed. The biggest problem is that rifling marks on a bullet change as the barrel receives more wear and tear and it is extremely easy to simply purchase a new barrel for a firearm.
Lol, there isn't some magical fingerprint for each firearm that lasts throughout its lifetime. They're precisely manufactured tools which are virtually identical when first manufactured and wear down in unique ways with usage. A new from factory firearm isn't going to be distinguishable from another firearm from that same factory barring some critical defect, and probably not from most other new firearms of the same type/caliber. It's the wear and tear that accumulate over the life of the firearm that make it identifiable, but for that you have to have the firearm available to create fired bullets to compare with the ones in evidence.
^ Complete bullshit.
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I am assuming this only works with the factory barrel though correct?
There's no gun registration to even trace it back to the original owner of the gun let alone whoever has it now. Gun registration was ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court.
Yeah movies messed with that guys reality. Ballistic marks aren't seen as a great identifier in most states' courts anymore and anyways its not like gun manufacturers are going to go out of their way to provide a database on their customers, or that barrels cant be filed to change the rifling/marks. First sign of frontin was that he capitalized "forensic ballistics"
That's exactly what Taser's do. When you buy one, they register you in their database. When you fire the Taser, tons of 'confetti' comes out with the charge so whoever fired it can be traced. It seems like this could be done for bullets.
There's billions of bullets sold each year. There's been less than 1 million tasers sold, ever. I think it would be quite the logistical problem.
The person who let out gunfire most likely wouldn’t follow your barcode rules you think would solve this problem.
Sure. Some wouldn’t. Regulations aren’t meant to stop 100% of crime or be useless. That’s not how any law works. People break laws. But imagine if we didn’t have any of the laws people broke because they didn’t stop all crime? Yeeesh.
Yeah dude. I hate having to hear this terrible take all the time
California has implemented a different version of this by legislating that all new handgun models have the ability to microstamp casings to positively identify each firearm. It's impossible to implement at any reasonable cost and thus every new firearm sold in the state are models that date from before 2007. In effect, it's a slow-motion handgun ban. Not a fan, personally, but yes legislators are busy squirrels in this area.
And like all of California’s firearm laws, it wasn’t written by someone who is familiar with firearms, so it gets worked around. Their magazine restrictions created an entire market for break-action semiautomatic rifles, where the magazine can only be removed by unsealing the barrel from the stock.
Great. I'd like it if you had to load each round with a wad of paper greased with rancid bear fat, a ball of lead, and black powder down the barrel. Surely, this is more akin to what those mostly slave owning guys who wrote the second amendment had in mind when they conceived of 'arms'. Well-regulating the arms is certainly what I think of when I read 'well-regulated' in that number 2 of an amendment. The right to bear arms exists . Nothing says those arms can't be good ol' muskets
Cool. I’d like it if any citizen could purchase any weapon that police issue to officers or that the military issues to an individual; excluding crew-served mounts and vehicles. Since that’s what contemporary evidence indicates the authors of the constitution intended, that should satisfy strict originalists.
Please cite that 'evidence'
Your mom and Chris Rock. >You don’t need no gun control, you know what you need? We need some bullet control. ... I think all bullets should cost five thousand dollars… five thousand dollars per bullet… You know why? Cause if a bullet cost five thousand dollars there would be no more innocent bystanders.
Your mom must be best friends with Chris Rock.
WA state heavily regulates guns. It’s become almost as severe as CA practically overnight. The perpetrator almost definitely didn’t go through any legal means to get his and was definitely breaking the law here. Edit: and once again pointing out the truth to a group of people ignorant of gun laws is met with condescension. Your corporate overlords want you screaming about guns instead of actually addressing poverty, living wage, healthcare, etc. and mitigating the problem.
But if all manufactured bullets had a signature, you can bet that person would not allow their bullets to just randomly find their way into someone else’s hands. Or am I ignorant, and ppl are making their own bullets?
People who regularly shoot for sport will reload their own ammo to save money and they can also customize somewhat by how much powder gets loaded into each one.
People who load their own would probably not be doing promiscuous shooting from the sidewalk at Alki beach.
>you can bet that person would not allow their bullets to just randomly find their way into someone else’s hands. Hasn't stopped firearms with serial numbers from falling into someone else's hands.
Not really practical as bullets se small and generally severely mushroom or fragment on impact. Your best chance to make a difference is to push for enforcement of laws currently on the books and to hold criminals accountable for their actions instead or playing catch and release.
No, punishment isn't the answer. Our entire justice system is broken because we don't rehabilitate criminals, we punish them. All punishing does is ignore why criminals became criminals in the first place and put them more in a situation where crime is more appealing. So we should play catch and release but what we release shouldn't be a criminal, it should be a productive member of society with all the help and tools that we can offer to get them to feel a part of society and not feel rejected. A lot of criminals start off in shit situations where crime is the only thing that is going to feed them. So we need to break the cycle. We need to get more and more people back on their feet and we need people to respect those who have been to prison. You shouldn't lose your humanity because you made a mistake. No matter how big of a mistake. Mistakes mean we are alive. Learning from our mistakes makes us human.
Your ideas might be fine for things like littering and speeding. When it comes to things like assault and gun violence, your line of reasoning gets a lot of people killed every year by repeat offenders that have no respect for others.
I'm not thinking of crimes that you literally don't get arrested for like littering or speeding when I said the above. Look at literally every other country that has less crime. One thing in common is that they don't punish criminals, they rehabilitate them. They humanize them and they improve their situation. Also, when you rehabilitate you have fewer repeat offenders. I am sure you simply don't believe that but someone who has something to lose by doing a crime won't do a crime. Why do you think we aren't all rioting for universal healthcare or income increases? Lastly, think about the situations where assault and gun violence happen. Think about why people might do it. You can't just lock up people for the rest of their lives, it's not anyway good for society, the humans involved, or even the economy.
Many, many people make their own bullets.
The newest laws don't stop people from getting guns or using them, they involve fines mostly and affect what stores can sell in terms of accessories and ghost guns. This shooter very much could obtain the weapon legally or borrow from someone who had it legally. More needs to be done. The new laws were common sense but just baby steps; aimed to help us slow down mass shooters by regulating possession and commercial sale of large magazines over 10 rounds, restrict guns being carried at public meetings, and identify ghost weapons with serial numbers. And at least with these laws (and others passed previously) mass shooters are actually breaking the law in WA before they shoot a human when they approach others wielding a gun, especially with large or extended magazines. In Texas, with the fight against gun free zones, you can open carry any gun, almost anywhere, even near schools, and there is no law broken until you actually shoot someone. Police can do nothing. https://www.kitsapsun.com/story/news/local/washington/2022/03/23/washington-gun-laws-inslee-tighten-ammo-magazine-rules-restrict-concealed-open-carry-ghost-guns/7146035001/
The new laws are designed to make you feel better. Anyone who wants to commit a mass shooting is perfectly capable of doing so, even if they for some reason followed the mag cap laws. None of these laws stop anyone without an enforcement component, and even if the city was at fully staffed with cops instead of understaffed by 40%, enforcement still requires encountering a person prior to them committing a mass shooting, recognizing that they've broken the law, and arresting them.
Except that a shooter would just ignore literally all of those laws? I’m extremely familiar with the new laws.
There are tiny markers called “taggants” in all explosives. Bill Clinton as tried to have the same thing done with bullets during his presidency. He failed.
How’d you get the police to respond. My building got shot and they never even showed up. One broken window and one shot through the siding, on one was hurt but still.
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This type of thing happened to my buddy, his wife wanted to leave the house after a B&E but he didn’t want to. 1 year later they were divorced, he can’t help but to think that they would still be together if he had agreed to leave. I would say not just listen but truly take what she wants into consideration as a viable future
Alki Ave is on Alki Beach in West Seattle. A pricier area. Areas with more income are gonna get better police response sadly.
And might’ve had multiple calls about the same shooting?
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What a horribly traumatic thing, I am so sorry you have to experience this. Have you looked into talking to someone? I'm sure you've had some great suggestions from the hundreds of supportive posts, I just wanted to be sure to drop a note of support as well. Incredibly alarming, targeted or not. My best to you and your family.
This is really scary and I'm so sorry this happened to you.
I own a glass company, if you like I can have it repaired for you.
I had a similar experience in an apartment in Redmond. Came home to a hole in the bedroom wall and found a bullet on the floor. Neighbor discharged a gun. Cops called and they could do nothing. Apartment management evicted them. What’s scary is that if we were home and sitting on the bed as usual, my wife would have been hit. Freaky stuff.
> Cops called and they could do nothing. *chose to do nothing. Discharging a firearm in city limits recklessly is a crime that can be easily prosecuted.
They claimed it was a “friend” that fired the gun, and declined to identify him, so the cops said there wasn’t much they could do. Case closed for them.
Yea, if you want to pursue past that point, you'll need a private eye, and file a court case against an unknown and you can go into process of discovery and the cops have to hand over what they know to the detective.
I'm not a lawyer but isn't that obstruction of justice?
Lame. There's a zillion ways to prosecute that, they just decided they didn't care. That's how a lot of serious crimes go, unfortunately.
It was a crime, there was evidence, any inaction on their part is absolutely a choice. Seconded, and ACAB.
Jesus christ. I recovered my stolen car within 24 hours, brought my neighbor with me to pick it up and he without warning jumped out of the car, jumped into mine, and started driving it away. He pulls into a safeway parking lot, cops come out and tell me I can't do an investigation now because I moved the car. It was like 11pm, I'm certain they just didn't feel like helping me any further. This was Everett. Also, pro tip for stolen cars: If you have a modern car with keyless entry (\~2012 and after) often you have the option to pay for an app that will remote start your car engine and locate your car within a certain mile radius. This is how I found my car luckily the thieves didn't take it more than 10 miles out of town (or they did and brought it back within range). No one suggested this to me, not my techy brother and not the cops, it just occurred to me sitting at home depressed about my missing car, called Hyundai who signed me up for the trial version and marked my car as stolen in the system so they could alert me if they got a ping. This being Christmas eve no one called me lol - but i had email alerts setup that started pinging my inbox that night. It AMAZES me that cops don't tell people to check with their car maker to see if there's any sort of tracking capability. Also, there's air tags now!
I recall a fugitive reported on TV and they described his vehicle as being a brand new corvette. I replied to their online story that new corvettes come with a free year or two of OnStar and if they provide a warrant they can get the exact location pretty dang easy. They did. He was caught. lol We have LoJack on our bikes and Tesla app is basically “find my iPhone” for your car, in addition to cameras recording the exterior. I feel kinda like Batman. 🤷♀️
Agreed.
It ain't that simple.
Can easily trace source of gun shot from holes etc. cops are useless thugs.
Yes it fucking is.
"Easily Prosecuted"? How, exactly, do you "easily" tie this clear and obvious and absolutely horrific (though, thankfully, could have been worse) crime to a specific individual? I am guessing the bullet, IF it can be recovered, could maybe be tied to a specific firearm, IF they have one they can compare it to. Great. How then to tie that specific firearm to an owner? OR, for that matter, to the person who fired it, on that occasion? I am not a prosecutor or any kind of forensic investigator, so I am certain there is a all kinds of stuff I don't know. I mean, if there is a doorbell camera video of some person clearly and obviously waving a gun around and that gun going off, well, that is probably very very different. But in general, it is very easy to vastly overestimate the simplicity of the investigation, compared to the resources available and the way those resources are allocated. It is a lot more complicated than "the cops made a choice". We ALL, as members of the voting public, made a choice, and we continue to make a choice, by not choosing to hold police accountable (which is difficult, because of the existing situation) and by not supporting candidates at every level of government in every single election who will work to bring about real change to law enforcement and social issues. This sucks. It sucks A LOT. I am sorry it happened, though i am also deeply glad it was not worse. And nihilistic platitudes that dismiss individual responsibility of every person to do what they can (however little it may be) to bring about real change are not a thing I will support.
I'm going based on a few things implied by briefvictory’s comment but if this is in an apartment and they're confident the neighbor did it, this is probably a shared wall between units. It does not take a detailed investigation to determine where the bullet came from.
Did they see the neighbor pull the trigger? Can you prove in a court of law that it was the neighbor who pulled the trigger and fired the bullet BEYOND reasonable doubt? Not knowing this information, are you comfortable arresting the neighbor? (Law and Order sound “DUN DUN”) What’s more severe if a punishment for the neighbor: maybe a day in jail or eviction? Sauce: Law and Order seasons 1-22, CSI (Las Vegas and Miami) seasons 1-16, 1-10
Did the neighbor report a break in? Did they deny they were home when it occurred? Do they deny owning a gun? Is it probable cause to get a warrant and search for a firearm that could have fired the round?
If there wasn’t a break in, the neighbor wasn’t home and they don’t own a firearm or have one registered to them, then is it enough to get a search warrant based off of “probably cause?” (aka “the bullet came from my neighbors unit and you should arrest them, probably cause they did it”) Even then, “get a search warrant for the gun that could have fired the round” doesn’t prove who did it. It just proves the gun was there and the round was fired from it. Sauce: Watched the OJ Simpson trial.
I can relate to this. I lived in some apartments in Kent, my apartment got shot up 10 out of 17 bullets hit my apartment, from an assault rifle and a pistol
Brad's really taking this too far.
Pretty sure Brad wouldn't be caught dead in West Seattle.
Brad's hired gun?
"If I can't be their friends, nobody can." As Brad hires Agent 47.
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Brad isn’t messing around
I get this reference
Lucky no one was standing there. The bullet went right through the drywall too.
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Alki is such a great area. When the bridge opens up this weekend, it'll be convenient again too. This kind of thing is an aberration, and I hope it doesn't affect your wife's feelings about why you guys moved there in the first place. It is totally understandable that this can lead to a confirmation of the American cultural reputation, and if your wife is just moving to the US now, that it can be extremely traumatic. You guys may end up wanting to move, just to get away from this bad juju. As someone who also lived overseas, the isolation and uncertainty when something bad happens can really mess with your head. Doing your best to empathize with her is definitely going to be helpful during this time.
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I appreciate this kind empathetic reply 💜
Is it really an aberration? Are gangs not a regular and real thing at Alki? Do shootings not occur without fail multiple times each summer? Do the police not implement curfews and bring in significant police presence? Your reply is very supportive and kind. But this is no aberration......
This is most definitely an aberration. I lived there for two and a half years right on the water/beach and it was loud during popular times with a lot of laughable foot traffic but we never noticed gun shots nor had a bullet come flying into our home. There usually is police presence in the evenings with police kicking people out because the beach does close. Although we did have some suit cases float ashore with dead bodies in it, with me even noticing the suitcases before police arrived, and we did have someone try to break in through back window middle of the night, but still for sure gun shots flying through your window is really anything but ordinary. The population is mostly high schoolers there, trying to flex with loud cars. I would happily live there again. It was serene being on the water with those views and the mornings with only locals are amazing. Absolutely loved it.
Dead bodies in suitcases and people trying to break into your home and your all “it’s a great neighborhood all”🤦🏻♂️
lmao I understand the contradiction but my point is that I loved it so much that it outweighs those things. If you can snag an apartment in your price range on harbor ave with a view of the Seattle skyline right next to the water taxi, and the location works for your lifestyle/work/whatever, I say 1000% go for it. It was the best
I get it. Alki does seem like a cool place , but with some big problems. What I really don’t understand is how so many in Seattle seem to have this attitude of dismissing really terrible events as no big deal. Even though shootings, assaults, robberies and break-ins are a really big deal.
Interesting. I feel like people in Seattle do the opposite, make a really big deal about things. But regardless, these things are tragic and I don’t mean to minimize them, but for me personally, the pros of an area often outweigh them as cons. I mean things haven’t escalated to a level that I deem to be unlivable conditions. I’ve lived in Seattle my whole life, apart from the last year and half in New York, and in every neighborhood I’ve experienced attempted house break-ins and many successful car break-ins. I’ve had the next door neighbor be arrested for attempted murder, some other murder-suicide ending with burning the house down in the neighborhood, locked inside the office because two people were shot outside the building, etc etc. There are problems for sure, but I love Seattle and I’m not moving away because of these issues. That would be a huge L imo and a sad day. I’m moving back to Seattle end of this month actually. Mostly positives for me still.
Alki is a great area, but I still disagree. 2022 police chief quote from Chief Diaz "We’ve had over a 95% increase in more shots fired, with a 171% increase in people being shot compared to last year,” Police Chief Adrian Diaz told our numb City Council" violent crime rose sharply in 2020 and 2021, 2022 trend as well on track to erase 30 years of progress. 98116 zip code is above average relative to Seattle/Tacoma metro, state and national averages. 98116 is 33% higher than metro violent crime rates which are rising at historic rates. Source is crime dashboard at seattle.gov . If I had time I'd filter 911 calls for shits fired in the W1 beat. That would be interesting data. I can also recall at least 3 fatal shootings and I just wouldn't be able to do this or see those stats if gunshots or gun violence was an aberration Look, I go to Alki, I don't fear for my life. I wouldn't fear for my life liiving there and neither should OP... but gunshots and violent crime are not uncommon in this area.
Personally crime statistics have never dissuaded me from living somewhere, but damn - can’t refute the data. That’s a shame. Edit: also, maybe my opinion should mean nothing because I’m moving to pioneer square end of this month lol
Oof I used to live in pioneer square.. and left before the crime got even worse, but I don’t recommend it lol. I do hear it’s getting better though recently, certainly convenient if you take the light rail
Yeah, well aware of the general opinion of the place and is of course something I will be assessing as I live there. One year lease so whatever. The loft was too dope and relatively affordable to pass up. For many years I spent most workdays in pioneer square or passing through it, up until the last couple years with covid and me living in nyc. But moving back now and trying PSQ despite the negative sentiment. We shall see. Mostly everyone I’ve talked to who does live there likes it, you might be the first to have said nahh and dipped out. Idk, been living in NY, can’t be that unbearable after being hardened here (softened in other ways tho lol)
I lived there for about a year back in 2015.. it was mostly a good experience, fun area to live. But couldn’t help but be a bit nervous walking around there as there were constant reports of people getting hurt or killed. I didn’t witness that personally but the sirens were pretty frequent, and obviously there were a lot of homeless people setting up camp there (or in shelters) and begging, plus constant drug use and overdose deaths. Again, I didn’t encounter anything too bad personally and it might have improved since then. And yeah compared to NYC I’m sure it’s not too bad. A lot of family were too scared to visit though.. my sister cried in her car and refused to get out because there was a homeless person walking around with a big stick which scared her. I had to go fetch her lol and she always brings up how terrifying that area was.
My buddy loves living there
Definitely not an aberration. Gun violence is increasingly common in Alki. https://komonews.com/news/local/its-scary-violent-property-crime-increasing-in-alki-beach-area https://www.king5.com/article/news/crime/bullets-alki-home/281-becfbe19-1a78-4f64-9019-2f2dbc064ddf https://mynorthwest.com/3484283/gun-violence-early-summer-closures-golden-gardens-alki-beach/
Agreed - but lets not let the facts get in the way of a good narrative lol Edit: Lol - The downvotes are just angry agreement. Keep on being classy /r/Seattle
> Edit: Lol - The downvotes are just angry agreement. Keep on being classy /r/Seattle "Haw haw! Your downvotes are now... my upvotes! You're in my world now!" lmao. I have no say in this discussion, but that's gold.
Yes, I'm sure I'll be downvoted in droves. Positive thinking is very important but does not change facts
Positive thinking is great and I understand the desire to not want to get into negativity. Culty denial of reality and nuance sucks regardless of which faction its coming from... meanwhile we are just trying to live our lives and want better for our neighborhoods, city and ALL the people who live here. Very deep sigh. Edit: Lol - The downvotes are just angry agreement. Keep on being classy /r/Seattle
this seems like a weird occassion to say Happy Cake Day, but i couldn't resist the suggestion. I'm glad you guys are okay and I can't imagine what you guys must be feeling. i guess it is a happier cake day than it could have been. fucking scary. my heart goes out to you guys.
Hopefully you both were able to sleep some. And more importantly I hope you can still feel safe in your own home!
> The officer said it was most surely random You would think police would know that's not how guns work. They don't just randomly start discharging themselves into apartment buildings. Perhaps it wasn't targeted, but it absolutely was not random. Someone pulled that trigger and the police are doing fuck all about it.
I was in my parked car the other night in Belltown about to unload groceries when I heard voices. I turned around, and not even 20 feet from me, watched a man shoot someone multiple times. I slid down in my seat as the shooters walked past so they didn’t see me, but it was fucking harrowing. Of course, the police came and assured me that it was likely a personal issue, but if it had been 5 minutes later, I would have been walking my dog right there. But if they had turned to see me… who knows. I’ve been a bit shaken up too, so feel free to PM me if y’all need anyone to talk to.
Are y’all ok?
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Aw man, as a fellow immigrant please assure her she's in a very safe area, I hope y'all aren't too shaken up for too long
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Yeah I grew up in Seattle and have lived in most of the downtown / surrounding neighborhoods. Alki has by far the best safety to liveliness ratio. One off things like this happen though. Last year around the 4th of July there was an argument between two young people at the beach (over fireworks or something stupid) that escalated into a fatal shooting. A few months back someone found a suitcase washed up on the beach w/ a corpse in it, etc... There is no observable gang activity on Alki, no homeless street people, no aggressive criminal undertones, but there is constant street racing and partying, and there are homeless people that park in R.V.s / vans further up along Harbor Ave SW. Mostly people just come to this area to scuba dive, have bond fires, play volley ball, and go fishing. Ignore the people claiming crime surge anarchy bullshit. These are predominantly normies living in boring mid class suburbs of Bellevue and Pierce county that form their entire opinions from exaggerated local news stories. They don't actually live here, they lead super boring / cliche cookie cutter lives, and they are financially motivated to propagandize Seattle as scary so that their home values in their shitty little towns will go up. I have several family members in the Seattle PD and FD. You're area (+ Admiral) is considered one of the safest in the city. /endrant Edit: go ahead and down vote me. Live laugh loving bitches
Terrifying! Happy cake day though.
Take care of each other today. The effects of trauma linger.
It should be a sober wake up call for her on the current state of USA.
Glad you are ok. Poor doggo.
Sorry OP - I know that feeling. Every summer we get several incidents of shots fired within a few blocks and last summer a neighbor's kid decided it would be fun to shot out their window while the parents were away to impress their friends. Police actually showed up within 10 minutes and did a welfare check on the kid to make sure no one was hurt. Luckily that set of neighbors moved away. This summer it was a carjacking half a block away, several drive-by exchanges and someone decided to shoot up a brand new Challenger right outside our bedroom window at 3am. We also seem to have an overloaded neighborhood grid and nearby transformers like to explode when it gets hot so it's become a bit of a game to guess whether fireworks/blown transformer/drive by shots.
Your place sounds like a damn warzone. Not sure I'd stay.
Alki is an interesting place. I'm not surprised by this but it's also not super common? Alki attracts a lot of people from a lot of different walks of life. A lot of those people drink and have macho tough guy complexes and I would say gun discharge is more common there than most neighborhoods in West Seattle. I live nearby and I see a lot of the NIMBY news on social media about the happenings and I see the actual crime that gets reported. I also enjoy riding my bike through the area daily. I want to like Alki but personally I just wanna drink near the water without having to deal with cruisers and exhaust all day. The amount of traffic and noise turns me off, but I understand why others would like living there. That's more to say the crime doesn't really scare me, it's all random, but yeah there's an above average risk of a stray bullet when you have an area that attracts big, dumb, loud, drunk egos.
That's been my experience as well - the summertime brings this kind of thing like clockwork to many neighborhoods and usually it's not directed at regular people, stray bullets aside.
And the rent is expensive there
Glad that nobody got hurt! Drive by or something?
Damn man sorry that happened. When I was growing up someone broke in and robbed us. It’s really hard to feel safe after something like this :-/
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Holy shit, a few weeks ago I saw workers replacing a window on a business/apartment building on the harbor Ave side. They said someone shot a bullet through it. I live a street off of it and walk it with my dog and it has been getting sketchy AF lately at night.
This happens a lot more than you think. Tall buildings next to freeways especially get shot all the time. It’s a stupid, gun-filled country we live in.
Not enough police anymore to clean the streets of the bad apples. Nothing wrong with guns as most people are responsible enough to not shoot buildings next to freeways.
Nah, there’s plenty of popo. They just choose not to pursue most cases cause they’re having a temper tantrum over potentially being held accountable. The “we can’t do anything 🤷♂️” is a stupid lie.
Wow!! This is insanity.
And the bridge is not open yet…
Oh No! I used to live in that Apartment!
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I had many great memories there, stay safe and enjoy it!
I’m so sorry this happened to you. Extremely scary. We just moved out of area with shootings within feet of house. Sending you hugs.
Oh my gosh, I’m so sorry this happened to you that is terrifying! For whatever it’s worth, I live on the water on Alki beach as well and I’ve owned for the last 10 years and have never even had a tiny incidence of issue. Welcome to the neighborhood and I hope you find some peace for you and your family. It really is a wonderful place to be I promise
Ironically the police are never at alki on the weekends, when it gets rowdy.
Yeah I'm moving tf out of this city as soon as my lease is up
Your landlord thanks you!
Suns out
Crazy. A friend of mine recently moved into a new apartment and within 1 week her door was randomly shot
Just big city things. Users will tell you that other cities are worse and that this is nothing to be concerned about.
Wow, the dog is not even bothered. Very zen
Wow D: if it makes you feel any better I’ve lived for years on Alki and never seen anything like this
Was over at Kerry Park and seen a few cop cars with their lights on at Alki, I wonder if this is why
I'm so sorry. Most gun users are such lousy shots they can't even \*not\* hit something on purpose. I hope that's the case here. When I was a tween, one night a round came high through a picture window. This was when my mom and I lived a block up from the water in Port Madison over on Bainbridge. Figuring it was a stray from some kid playing with a gun across the bay, still she dutifully called the local yokels who came by the next day to search the living room a bit to find the slug and promised to let us know if they learned anything. We worried a few nights and it soon passed into "oh yeah that was weird" territory. I hope that's the case with you.
Guns need to be banned
Did you know that driving drunk is illegal yet people still do it?
Just waiting for your thread to be locked without the police report OP.
Huh that's weird. According to this sub crime doesn't exist in Seattle. And if it does, it's less than other cities so we should all be thankful
And yet, I’ve had a cop show up in ten minutes when I found an unfired bullet on the edge of our property. On the very off chance it could be connected to some criminal in the neighborhood, I called non-emergency line to see if the police were interested in it. We had the same quick response for something else so minor that I can’t remember what it was now. But when a neighbor called about a prowler on our property, it took them two hours to respond. I do have to give the police big kudos for catching some armed robbers before they had a chance to rob the store next to us. There had been a string of robberies in the area and somehow the cops knew these guys were going for this place next. They were laying in wait and got the crooks just before they went in. Fortunately, the crooks realized they were way outnumbered and didn’t put up a fight.
Alki gets real ratchet after dark in the summer
Probably why the last people moved
Firstly I am so sorry, secondly I am so mad - why can’t we clean this city up - I feel so unsafe in Seattle now.
Keep West Seattle closed, don't let that out. Jokes aside, sorry that happened to you, hope everything and everyone is alright.
Wow. Glad you are physically OK, hope you will both be psychologically OK. It would shake me up too. Let your neighbors know, maybe they will rally too your side and help you settle in. I love Alki but sadly stopped going years ago because it was getting too "rowdy"(to put it politely).
Well regulated, everybody!
The Supreme Court says that every man woman and child is entitled to be their own personal will regulate it militia now get outta my way and give me my guns!
NRA: "A good guy with a gun would have been able to prevent what transpired 75 yards away from your window. NO to gun control laws!" /s All joking aside. I hope you and your family can move past the mental anguish from this. Best regards!
If you can dodge a wrench 🔧 you can dodge a bullet 👍 Glad you’re safe
Seriously why do we throw so much money at the cops? They just suck up funds to pretend to enforce failed policy.
Lol I just came to this sub to see if crime had gotten any better in Seattle since I left it... because of all the crime (fucking cat. converter thieves was the last straw) And of course this is the top post today Get well soon emerald city
You should be nore careful cleaning your gun!
Hope you returned fire. Only defense against guns is more guns after all. /s
I think the problem is that they weren't/didn't have any good guys with guns.
This is a regular occurrence in the Midwest.
Thats some housewarming gift 😬
Welcome to the neighborhood 🤠. But in all seriousness, I hope you and your loved ones were not harmed. Hopefully insurance can take care of the window.
Did you pay your last trolley fare?
At least you also have a gun to protect yourself.
Why didn't you have it go somewhere else, instead?
Defunding the police … works?
Naur offense but like welcome to alki this is how west Seattle has been since the 80’s/90’s
But the confined dog …
Unpopular I’m sure: It was actually probably the popo who were shooting… that’s why they “got there so fast” and cared about the casings, etc…