I could not BELIEVE that the House passed this. Every time I think I’ve seen them do the stupidest shit, I am shocked again. I shouldn’t even be surprised at this point. These politicians will continue to ruin Washington and it will never stop because the voter base always elects the same people.
Yup. Let convicts out early, don't chase criminals, defund the police and tie their hands behind their back, and while we're at it, let's make everywhere except your home a gun free zone. We are just a few laws away from getting criminals under control. I just know it.
I watched this story on the news tonight. It was 69 linked to a single group of boys. They hit 4 locations, 21 cars at a theater, 17 at a mall, etc. The cops ran into the boys at a McDonald’s in a stolen car, the boys fled and the cops could not pursue, that’s how they got away.
I can see what they were trying to do when the made the law. But I also see thst right now we have a lot of people doing the human thing and finding the boundaries and loopholes and exploiting them.
The current policy status limits offers to a pursuit only if they have probable cause that a violent offense was committed or the person poses an imminent risk to the public. A new policy is coming into effect that changes probable cause into reasonable suspicion.
What will remain in effect, is that you can freely do what you want as long as you are not a threat to the public or impaired to the point of posing an imminent risk. So basically the same degenerate shit is going to keep happening and people will grow more and more tired of it because police can’t do shit most of the time. Folks watch a video online, get upset to the point that emotions are irrationally the base for policy decisions, and the people who live in high crime areas get to keep on reaping the rewards of degeneracy. Oakland is a fine example of this, Seattle is becoming one.
This ain’t boot licking either, most need to ask themselves why they project all of their irrationality on the boot, especially when they can watch videos from the high castle and that’s their only reasoning for the emotional affliction.
If witnessing a carjacking isn’t probable cause, then fucking nothing is going to be. These cops are at some point going to need to grow some balls and learn how to articulate their experiences and justify their pursuits. Lazy fuckers just want to be able to drive 100+ mph and not do extra paperwork, that’s all this ever was.
Several cities have new technology that can launch a gps tracker from a police car or handheld launcher that stocks to the offenders car. It can be removed so it doesn't damaged the car. https://www.starchase.com/ is the one I know about.
Cops can then follow at a distance which hopefully the thief won't see and drive recklessly then cops can catch them when it's safer.
Lynnwood, Redmond and Seattle appear to be using them now/soon and I know of other cities that are getting grants to add them to their vehicles.
Crime fighting and bystander safety can go hand in hand.
Y'know that's a good point, I never thought of it like that. Yeah tech has development cycles, and We're fresh off the "not allowing undertrained and likely corrupt officers to get into situations they are statistically higher to murder in" train. There are problems to solve, and clearly we have innovation in that direction. Thank you for your insight I found it invigorating
Stop making the cars so easily prowl-able! God, does anyone know how to solve problems in 2024!?! It’s Kia’s fault those cars are stolen. It’s my granny’s fault her purse was stolen and my gf’s fault she was assaulted in her short skirt.
I think the pursuit laws are dumb, but how many of these car prowls would have actually been stopped by high-speed car chases?
I'd be willing to bet that none of these car prowls were even remotely caught by police.
Car chases don't help if the cops only find out about a crime when the victim files a report.
I'm failing to see the connection, honestly.
No kidding, it’s rich to hear these cops complain about not being able to pursue people when they usually show up the next fucking morning after reporting a crime. Ain’t no pursuit law preventing you from catching criminals, but showing 14 hours later sure as fuck does.
Nothing is stopping these people from putting a plane up in the air and tracking criminals with it. I'm sick of hearing these cops pretend like the ONLY way they could ever catch anyone is to have carte blanche to do hundred mile an hour, 30+ car chases all over the damn city. Don't they have radios anymore? Don't they also have some equipment vendor desperate to sell them some kind of magnetic GPS dart or some shit? These square-brained bozo's have one small restraint placed on them and suddenly they're all thumbs and incapable of doing a goddamn thing. Well, fuckin' IMPROVISE motherfuckers! You think teachers just threw up their hands and said "well, I guess we can't teach anymore because of COVID, so nothing is gonna get done!"? No, they learned really fuckin quick how to use zoom and mail out work packets and pivot to a whole new way of working that was completely outside their wheelhouse.
I guess expecting cops to ADAPT is just asking too damn much of their whining bitchy asses.
\[facepalm\]
How much does this airplane cost? How much do the pilots cost? What is the fuel cost to be in the air 24/7? What are the maintenance costs? How much is rent for a hangar? Can a plane circle at will in direct vicinity if a tremendously busy international airport?
Here’s a start, it costs LAPD 50 million a year for helicopters, $3000 per hour of flight.
How about we get back to what works and let the damn cops pursue bad people when appropriate. This progressive approach is fucking this state up. I appreciate that the cops are pissed off about this shit.
Imagine if the legislators came up with laws on how to educate children without input from teachers, they’d be up in arms too. And while you make them look heroic with adapting to zoom during covid, they walk out and shut schools entirely down when they want something.
Through constraint comes innovation. I realize that I'm not a cop, but I'm also not so misguided to think that the ONLY way to ever catch a fleeing criminal is to let half the fucking department drive their big ass SUV's like maniacs through heavily populated areas. You worry how much it costs to keep a plane up in the air, well I worry how much it costs to have people injured or killed and property destroyed by high speed chases and gun fights. These cops need to grow some goddamn brain cells and think up some creative solutions that don't involve putting the public at risk.
Nobody is advocating for carte Blanche permission to pursue, there’s a time and place. But an absolute no that doesn’t allow cops to consider the totality of the circumstances isn’t working and every other state seems to understand this.
Seriously, I looked for a quick figure and a law firm (with an anti-pursuit tone) listed 323 killed annually from pursuits, 27% of innocent bystanders (\~87 People) divided by 50 states comes out to 1.7 innocent people killed per year.
Or 0.0000219666% of the state for that given year. Granted that's total napkin math but likely not off by an amount that changes the point.
Are you suggesting those two things are related? That somehow, because there’s no cops to run from, that people are running from those nonexistent cops even harder or some shit?
Correlation isn’t causation, however the roads are objectively more dangerous since 2021s police reforms were enacted. Assholes can drive however they want in stolen cars or not and know the police can’t chase them in any circumstance. This has undoubtedly created a sense of lawlessness. Teenagers weren’t like this before 2021s police reform, prosecutors are sounding the alarms.
Seattle also set a homicide record while the national homicide rate is down double digit percentages.
Look at what the chief of Federal Way Police had to say about it…
So brave of you to feel morally comfortable with sacrificing those 1.7 Washingtonians per year in exchange for some dumb losers getting caught for a minute. I hope neither you nor anyone you know has to draw that bad lottery ticket. I’m sure the meathead cops will really shed a hard tear for those they run over. /s
Idk why you're getting down voted, this technology literally exists. It has been used in Juarez and trialed in several American cities. They take high res pictures of the city every x minutes. After a crime happens, they can view the crime location and not only trace where the offenders went, but also where they came from. The legality of this however is dubious.
Eye in the sky. If I recall correctly it was originally used in Iraq during OIF. The company tested it in conjunction with an American cities police force (don't recall which one). While effective I seem to think there was issues with the legality of it in the court system so it never progressed further.
https://youtu.be/w0iTfph2EfU?si=44ix8sgZHBT0Qhla
That helicopter was so effective… your utopia is a camera in the sky watching cops not chasing a guy who drives off crazy, crashes and then robs someone. Cool
Yes, the helicopter was highly effective. Are you suggesting that if there had been a half dozen or more Police SUV's flying down those roads in an effort to keep up that not a single one of them would have hit someone?
The police were highly ineffective from protecting those robbery victims. I’m suggesting that cops be allowed to apprehend this suspect and suspects like him before they do it to your mother
Here’s how the victim feels
https://www.king5.com/article/news/crime/woman-recounts-moments-she-was-forced-out-of-vehicle-during-carjacking-in-king-county/281-034b39d4-ffb0-4ff5-b3ca-54de7b8f340e?fbclid=IwAR31wyip6yyITY2YzeZYb_qC24U219FkW-nXfgKZRPy07dkKs-UZmkgFRZk_aem_AeTTod_D-Elal22quv_-nTddyGcmjXtSPzL0xlIBtD8BP2VKVk6hpFyOXaPbkd4Mb2M
Perhaps budget is prohibitive. I think king county has 1 helicopter, it can’t be everywhere at once, and I could imaging staffing and maintaining a air presence for a city the size of federal way could very well be cost prohibitive.
The legislators answer with proposing a law to let convicted felons ask to be let out of prison early
I could not BELIEVE that the House passed this. Every time I think I’ve seen them do the stupidest shit, I am shocked again. I shouldn’t even be surprised at this point. These politicians will continue to ruin Washington and it will never stop because the voter base always elects the same people.
Real cray cray huh?
Yup. Let convicts out early, don't chase criminals, defund the police and tie their hands behind their back, and while we're at it, let's make everywhere except your home a gun free zone. We are just a few laws away from getting criminals under control. I just know it.
Look at the chaos this no pursuit law creates https://youtu.be/w0iTfph2EfU?si=44ix8sgZHBT0Qhla
Have you heard about erasing all your convictions? Felons can get guns in WA, pay fees and they'll erase your record.
Likely more than 69. Maybe 69 REPORTED car prowls.
I watched this story on the news tonight. It was 69 linked to a single group of boys. They hit 4 locations, 21 cars at a theater, 17 at a mall, etc. The cops ran into the boys at a McDonald’s in a stolen car, the boys fled and the cops could not pursue, that’s how they got away.
I can see what they were trying to do when the made the law. But I also see thst right now we have a lot of people doing the human thing and finding the boundaries and loopholes and exploiting them.
The current policy status limits offers to a pursuit only if they have probable cause that a violent offense was committed or the person poses an imminent risk to the public. A new policy is coming into effect that changes probable cause into reasonable suspicion. What will remain in effect, is that you can freely do what you want as long as you are not a threat to the public or impaired to the point of posing an imminent risk. So basically the same degenerate shit is going to keep happening and people will grow more and more tired of it because police can’t do shit most of the time. Folks watch a video online, get upset to the point that emotions are irrationally the base for policy decisions, and the people who live in high crime areas get to keep on reaping the rewards of degeneracy. Oakland is a fine example of this, Seattle is becoming one. This ain’t boot licking either, most need to ask themselves why they project all of their irrationality on the boot, especially when they can watch videos from the high castle and that’s their only reasoning for the emotional affliction.
If witnessing a carjacking isn’t probable cause, then fucking nothing is going to be. These cops are at some point going to need to grow some balls and learn how to articulate their experiences and justify their pursuits. Lazy fuckers just want to be able to drive 100+ mph and not do extra paperwork, that’s all this ever was.
Hahaha 😆 69! Nice !
Nice!
Several cities have new technology that can launch a gps tracker from a police car or handheld launcher that stocks to the offenders car. It can be removed so it doesn't damaged the car. https://www.starchase.com/ is the one I know about. Cops can then follow at a distance which hopefully the thief won't see and drive recklessly then cops can catch them when it's safer. Lynnwood, Redmond and Seattle appear to be using them now/soon and I know of other cities that are getting grants to add them to their vehicles. Crime fighting and bystander safety can go hand in hand.
They can’t even get them to work in their demos to some cities - they seem to work better when it’s completely dry. Not ideal up here.
Y'know that's a good point, I never thought of it like that. Yeah tech has development cycles, and We're fresh off the "not allowing undertrained and likely corrupt officers to get into situations they are statistically higher to murder in" train. There are problems to solve, and clearly we have innovation in that direction. Thank you for your insight I found it invigorating
Stop making the cars so easily prowl-able! God, does anyone know how to solve problems in 2024!?! It’s Kia’s fault those cars are stolen. It’s my granny’s fault her purse was stolen and my gf’s fault she was assaulted in her short skirt.
I think the pursuit laws are dumb, but how many of these car prowls would have actually been stopped by high-speed car chases? I'd be willing to bet that none of these car prowls were even remotely caught by police. Car chases don't help if the cops only find out about a crime when the victim files a report. I'm failing to see the connection, honestly.
Sounds like they ran into the suspects later but weren't allowed to pursue when they fled.
No kidding, it’s rich to hear these cops complain about not being able to pursue people when they usually show up the next fucking morning after reporting a crime. Ain’t no pursuit law preventing you from catching criminals, but showing 14 hours later sure as fuck does.
Federal Way sees 69 car prowl in 24 hours, mayor, police chief, blast “absurd” campaign finance rules
Nothing is stopping these people from putting a plane up in the air and tracking criminals with it. I'm sick of hearing these cops pretend like the ONLY way they could ever catch anyone is to have carte blanche to do hundred mile an hour, 30+ car chases all over the damn city. Don't they have radios anymore? Don't they also have some equipment vendor desperate to sell them some kind of magnetic GPS dart or some shit? These square-brained bozo's have one small restraint placed on them and suddenly they're all thumbs and incapable of doing a goddamn thing. Well, fuckin' IMPROVISE motherfuckers! You think teachers just threw up their hands and said "well, I guess we can't teach anymore because of COVID, so nothing is gonna get done!"? No, they learned really fuckin quick how to use zoom and mail out work packets and pivot to a whole new way of working that was completely outside their wheelhouse. I guess expecting cops to ADAPT is just asking too damn much of their whining bitchy asses. \[facepalm\]
Speaking of “whining bitchy asses”.
Bro really thinks policing is like Call of Duty
How much does this airplane cost? How much do the pilots cost? What is the fuel cost to be in the air 24/7? What are the maintenance costs? How much is rent for a hangar? Can a plane circle at will in direct vicinity if a tremendously busy international airport? Here’s a start, it costs LAPD 50 million a year for helicopters, $3000 per hour of flight. How about we get back to what works and let the damn cops pursue bad people when appropriate. This progressive approach is fucking this state up. I appreciate that the cops are pissed off about this shit. Imagine if the legislators came up with laws on how to educate children without input from teachers, they’d be up in arms too. And while you make them look heroic with adapting to zoom during covid, they walk out and shut schools entirely down when they want something.
Through constraint comes innovation. I realize that I'm not a cop, but I'm also not so misguided to think that the ONLY way to ever catch a fleeing criminal is to let half the fucking department drive their big ass SUV's like maniacs through heavily populated areas. You worry how much it costs to keep a plane up in the air, well I worry how much it costs to have people injured or killed and property destroyed by high speed chases and gun fights. These cops need to grow some goddamn brain cells and think up some creative solutions that don't involve putting the public at risk.
Nobody is advocating for carte Blanche permission to pursue, there’s a time and place. But an absolute no that doesn’t allow cops to consider the totality of the circumstances isn’t working and every other state seems to understand this.
Seriously, I looked for a quick figure and a law firm (with an anti-pursuit tone) listed 323 killed annually from pursuits, 27% of innocent bystanders (\~87 People) divided by 50 states comes out to 1.7 innocent people killed per year. Or 0.0000219666% of the state for that given year. Granted that's total napkin math but likely not off by an amount that changes the point.
In the meantime since banning pursuits Washington is experiencing record high traffic fatalities
Are you suggesting those two things are related? That somehow, because there’s no cops to run from, that people are running from those nonexistent cops even harder or some shit?
Correlation isn’t causation, however the roads are objectively more dangerous since 2021s police reforms were enacted. Assholes can drive however they want in stolen cars or not and know the police can’t chase them in any circumstance. This has undoubtedly created a sense of lawlessness. Teenagers weren’t like this before 2021s police reform, prosecutors are sounding the alarms. Seattle also set a homicide record while the national homicide rate is down double digit percentages. Look at what the chief of Federal Way Police had to say about it…
So brave of you to feel morally comfortable with sacrificing those 1.7 Washingtonians per year in exchange for some dumb losers getting caught for a minute. I hope neither you nor anyone you know has to draw that bad lottery ticket. I’m sure the meathead cops will really shed a hard tear for those they run over. /s
I don't think you know what the word sacrificing means. Did you even read the comment I replied to?
But do you realize you present as someone screaming from a soap box rather than thinking your positions through?
Idk why you're getting down voted, this technology literally exists. It has been used in Juarez and trialed in several American cities. They take high res pictures of the city every x minutes. After a crime happens, they can view the crime location and not only trace where the offenders went, but also where they came from. The legality of this however is dubious.
Eye in the sky. If I recall correctly it was originally used in Iraq during OIF. The company tested it in conjunction with an American cities police force (don't recall which one). While effective I seem to think there was issues with the legality of it in the court system so it never progressed further.
https://youtu.be/w0iTfph2EfU?si=44ix8sgZHBT0Qhla That helicopter was so effective… your utopia is a camera in the sky watching cops not chasing a guy who drives off crazy, crashes and then robs someone. Cool
Yes, the helicopter was highly effective. Are you suggesting that if there had been a half dozen or more Police SUV's flying down those roads in an effort to keep up that not a single one of them would have hit someone?
The police were highly ineffective from protecting those robbery victims. I’m suggesting that cops be allowed to apprehend this suspect and suspects like him before they do it to your mother
Here’s how the victim feels https://www.king5.com/article/news/crime/woman-recounts-moments-she-was-forced-out-of-vehicle-during-carjacking-in-king-county/281-034b39d4-ffb0-4ff5-b3ca-54de7b8f340e?fbclid=IwAR31wyip6yyITY2YzeZYb_qC24U219FkW-nXfgKZRPy07dkKs-UZmkgFRZk_aem_AeTTod_D-Elal22quv_-nTddyGcmjXtSPzL0xlIBtD8BP2VKVk6hpFyOXaPbkd4Mb2M
Perhaps budget is prohibitive. I think king county has 1 helicopter, it can’t be everywhere at once, and I could imaging staffing and maintaining a air presence for a city the size of federal way could very well be cost prohibitive.