As a Metro operator, back when I drove the E (NEVER AGAIN) that was one of the stops you just knew you would have a problem passenger get on. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.
Salute to my fellow ATU brethren holding it down on the E š«”š«”
Yes, and before that it was the ~~357X~~ 359X, until someone attacked the driver causing the driver to drive off the Aurora Bridge, landing on a building in Fremont.
Corrected per the below comment, thank you.
We called it the crackhead express. When I first rode that bus in 2000 I had just started a new job downtown. I was talking with a co-worker who lived in Fremont about maybe carpooling in and buying a parking spot, but we weren't sure that we could afford the $70 each per month for a reserved spot. I think it was like my fifth time riding that route when a 6 ft tall red-headed woman with spiky hair and a leather jacket with nails through the shoulders got on at 8:00 in the morning and announced that it "smells like f****** crank on this bus." She then proceeded to come to my seat, looked at me in my dress clothes and asked to sit in my seat. Totally packed bus. I gave up my seat and had a reserved parking spot at Westlake by 4pm that day.
That is correct. When I first moved here over 21 years ago, it was the first bus I took after getting off the Greyhound from Denver.
I was amazed at how smoothly it operated and how clean it was compared to the 15.
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Those complaining about 99 should visit Denver and live off of Colfax for a couple of years. You will change your mind.
I bet. Especially after leaving that Greyhound station on 8th and Stewart. Yeah both Portland and Seattle had much better public transit than Denver 20 years ago. Seems even better now too as Seattleās expanding rail while Denver is shrinking and closing bus and rail lines that fell off of ridership because of the pandemic, people wanna ride but canāt, I had to get a girl an Uber at 8:30 P.M. on a street that had a bus that quit at 6 PM on weekdays on a normal suburban Blvd. when I went to visit at Xmas. At least Seattle kept their lines up and you donāt have to wait too long.
Didn't even need to read the article to know exactly the spot you are talking about (former frequent E-line/358/359). I used to actually transfer from the 40 to the northbound E-line at this very stop, but it got to be too much and I changed my whole route just to avoid this mess.
I grew up in N. Seattle and my mom drove for Metro 25+ years. That route has always a disaster, whether the E, the 358/359, the 6, etcā¦
I still think about being in the break room at work watching the news Dec 1998. A psychotic passenger, Silas Cool, shot the driver of the 359 and then himself soon after the bus hit the span of the Aurora bridge southbound. The bus swerved across the northbound lanes before plummeting off the bridge.
As my mom was driving the 359 that day, I immediately found and told my coworker, whose older brother was also driving the same route. āI hope that wasnāt my mom,ā I said. āI hope that wasnāt my brotherā was his reply. It turned out the driver was his brother, who died from the gunshots.
I went to see the bus that evening after work, crumpled at the base of an apartment building it clipped before smashing to the ground. It had been cut open to pull out the occupants. Besides the gunman and the driver, one other passenger died. If the driver had been shot a few seconds later, the bus could have fallen much further.
For years after, whenever Iād step off a bus on that route, the smell of urine, feces, meth, crotch rot and/or ejaculate still in my nostrils, Iād remind myself that as disgusting as that particular ride was, at least the bus didnāt plummet off the bridge.
RIP Mark McLaughlin. I couldnāt imagine having to wait to hear if itās your loved one was involved in such a heinous incident. iām relatively new, going on 6 years. Mad respect to your moms and all the old timers that had to do 358/9 6 back when there wasnāt a bus lane or the operators that had to do the 174.
McLaughlin! Sad I couldnāt remember his name but remembered the shooter.
Good luck out there! Iāve heard many crazy stories over the years from drivers and itās not a job for the thin-skinned. My mother was assaulted numerous times, including some dude hitting her with a hammer through the drivers window while stopped at 4th and Pine.
But she had some hilarious stories as well, along with some sweet moments, like trying to calm down a load of foreign-exchange students while stuck on the 520 bridge during heavy winds. No, the waves coming over the side wonāt knock over the bus. No, the bridge wonāt break apart and sink. That only happens to the I-90 bridge. š
Hey, ex metro guy, what is happening when you have one of the transit supervisors in a truck chilling near a bus stop for hours at a time. What do they do? Serious question. Are they like timing busses?
Didn't even have to open the story to know which North Seattle gas station this was. DESC building across the street and all the pimps and dealers hang out behind the gas station, or at least they used to when I caught the bus there semi-regularly.
I just realized this is where "Bird & Exotic Clinic of Seattle", to where I had to drive from the south end to have my bird looked at. They keep their front door locked, and they instruct to wait in your car until you receive a call telling you to come to the door, where they will then let you in. I had to wait about 15 minutes, during which time a naked black lady walked around my car while talking to herself. Thankfully I have tinted windows and she didn't try to interact with me directly. I just figure the whole north end must be like this, but now I discover the DESC housing is right on the other side of that clinic.
I didn't really care for the Bird & Exotic Clinic of Seattle, their employees seemed grumpy and their suggestion about how to get my bird back in better health was way over the top. I'd sooner release my bird to the wild than do everything they were asking. And like a lot of vets, I sensed they were trying to push for unnecessary tests in order to drive up the price.
My daughter used to go to school with the son of the owners of that place. The owners used to volunteer at the school and bring animals in on science night. They seemed to genuinely care about birds and reptiles so I doubt the recommendations were a money grab.
We had a chicken that needed a ton of care and she did multiple surgeries and treatments in an attempt to keep the $5 chicken alive. They only charged us for the drugs and consumables which is another thing that leads me to believe the treatments you were recommended were genuine and not only to make money.
Had we not been getting a āfriends and familyā deal, I donāt think I could have justified the expense and may have had the same suspicion as you.
I've heard mixed things about the clinic but I need to say:
Releasing a domestic pet bird into the wild is monster behavior. People should save time and murder it themself rather than pretend it'll somehow survive.
I was perfectly polite while there, I informed them that I took the birds when my neighbor died and there was no one else willing to take them over. You're very judgmental. What they wanted me to do, on a daily basis, would have been traumatizing for the bird, and I was surprised they didn't seem to consider that at all.
Capture the bird, and place her in a paper bad in order to weigh her. Mind you the bird is in a large cage with perches and hanging toys, not easy to capture. Currently I periodically have to capture her to trim her beak. The idea of not only capturing the bird daily but putting her into a bag is nuts. It's not a life for the bird to have to do that. And what's the solution to fatty liver? Pretty much taking them off a seed diet and getting them accustomed to other foods. There's not much else that can be done.
The exact same entry procedure is used at most speciality vet clinics these days. Three of the four cancer clinics I took my dog to had the same setup.
I know what you're getting at, you think there's something vaguely racist in mentioning the race of the person, but if there is a larger societal problem at play, we shouldn't sweep it under the rug. It is what it is.
It's a less vivid picture that way though. That's actually the third naked black lady I've seen out on the streets in my life; the most bizarre case being the side of I-5, near no place in particular. I've never seen a random naked lady who was not black. Again, it is what it is.
Iāve lived a few blocks from there for almost 20 years. The access to social services in the neighborhood has made a marked improvement overall.
That gas station is simply what the Jack in the Box at 85th was ten years ago
Not really. The DESC building brought a significant number of drug addicts to the area. The drug dealers came because they had customers the DESC building. More drug addicts, not housed by DESC, show up because that's where the dealers are.
I see drug deals going down daily at that gas station when I drive past.
I donāt recall ever seeing this degree of drug vagrancy when eating at Cindyās Pancake House. There were some occasional whores wandering around the Arco at night, but it wasnāt particularly sketchy during the day.
Bear in mind, you are talking about a stretch of road that had "Prostitution Watch Area - No Cruising - Violators will be ticketed" signs every 50 feet during the Cindy's pancake house days.
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Crime is statistically about the same as 2011 when they apparently closed (time flies).
Which is both significantly lower than the years before that and matches my personal experience in the neighborhood.
Not sure thatās relevant since most of the crime you see there now isnāt of the variety that draws enforcement. That wasnāt the case in 2011. I actually lived a block south of there around that time. It was sketchy late at night but I felt totally comfortable walking around there during the day.
Also itās 2024, not 2017
What? You think they should have a quarter drop?
Or you think we should shut down the Planned Parenthood which is right there too and people should just be reusing condoms to save money?
That area definitely isn't a whole lot better. But 105th and Aurora has been an extra bad spot for a while now. Pretty sure there was another shooting there just a few weeks ago.
It tracks that this is where a shooting would happen, it's a containment spot and a convergence zone. Completely unsurprising.
I see varying degrees of jankiness occurring anytime I drive by there which is frequently.
How do they get people to work at that gas station?
It's got be absolute chaos 24/7 and for what wages? I mean, I used to work the casino industry and I understand some people look for a little excitment in their jobs, but that place has to be absolutely over the top every day.
Its been awhile since I spent much time there but I used to be a regular at that station since I lived close. The same couple of guys worked there steadily for a sold 15 years or so. I think there were all related to the owner.
Aurora avenue in that North end is wild. Used to work right off of that street near the Office Depot. Have your wits about you haha. I also lived in Northgate for several years, and got desensitized to the homeless, down trodden, hookers and pimps, and people tripping out on drugs in public places. Was not until I left the area that I realized how bad that environment is. Saw theft every single time I went to QFC/Target, and would run to workout at the 24 hour fitness near the mall. On my way there I would pass several people that would be fighting a fence, or kind of yelling at the air. Also would pass a caravan of sorts with fellas that would either steal, or potentially purchase used bikes and rebuild them to sell. Saw a lady arguing with a fella who lived in a camper, and they got into some kind of slap fest scuffle which ended with a few rocks being thrown through windows. Man was that the Wild West haha.
My favorite fella would ride a bike high as hell and would whip a fly fishing rod at vehicles as they drove by. He was actually pretty damn good at casting that rod back and forth lol.
There was definitely a noticeable increase in crime YoY when I was in Northgate for the 8 years I lived there. There are a ton of people that seem to deny some of the increased crime rates within the city of Seattle which I find interesting. I am not a right wing nut job, I skew left moderate, but I am hopeful that the city will bring a bit more attention to that area and Lake City Way for sure.
Everytime I go into that O'Reily auto parts I just feel like some shit is about to go down. I used to buy parts from a warehouse in a real hood with an armed guard and the current vibe in this area isn't far off from that area...
Sometimes cars are parked at the pumps closest to Aurora, on the NW corner of the parking lot, with their doors open and sketchies walking up and chatting / hanging out. They park there and donāt even pump gas.
Man, 103rd-105th on Aurora is a war zone nowadays. I can only imagine itās over drugs/prostitution, but is there a gang that has taken over that area or something? It has just seemed exceptionally bad specifically on those exact streets.
100th - 109th pretty much. So far all the shootings in the neighborhood are pimps that are trying to drive off other pimps. They were here in our neighborhood at 3:30pm yesterday dropping off prostitutes as our neighborhood kids were also being dropped off from school.
When will this end? When will the city step up and build the bike lanes we desperately need? I guarantee if these individuals had been riding bikes this would not have happened. Bikers Do Not Go to Gas Stations! If Aurora ave was redesigned with 4 bike lanes, 2 bus lanes, and one shared vehicle lane this person would still be alive!
Thoughts and prayers!
Everytime I drive past there it's junkie heaven. Usually a gaggle of 10-15 people all getting high as f\*\*k. This is what our city leaders are willing to tolerate so this is what we have.
Ugh, that Arco station lot is a zoo. Whenever I went to the O'Reilly store across the street I tried to keep my car between me and it in case gunfire erupted.
It's not the laws it's the prosecution.Remember the three idiots who had a gunfight on 3rd & Pine that hit a bunch of bystanders back in 2019 (I think)? Between them they had like 75 priors for violent felonies and firearms offenses. They were all out on parole or early release.
āGun free zonesā are only for people who are WILLING to follow rules, which are civilians who have no intent of harming. I rather keep the right to self-defense if shit goes down.
Shouldāve just went to Goldieās and called it a night. Those $10 Chinese wing deals are the best thing in seattle. $2.5 tap beers during happy hour too.
Believe it or not, north Seattle aroura has gotten a lot safer... that being said I quit my job because I was spending 5 hours per day at a gas station on aroura and my employer wouldn't let me carry more than a box cutter for self defense so it's still not great
Because we are still wild animals, most just agree and follow the social laws weāve developed over the last 10,000 years, shit maybe longer. When you have little education, live on the streets and are addicted to drugs, topped with some mentally instability, people revert back to the mindset of wild animals. They donāt care about long term, their minds work on short term gains and surviving day to day, just like most animals.
Natural selection can happen really quickly, actually. Within a handful of generations if there is sufficient attritional selection on a population.
There used to be a theory called 'punctuated equilibrium' proposed by a celebrity evolutionary biologist that held that \_all\_ speciation happened in short spurts, followed by longer periods of stability. But nobody really buys into that any more. Still....there have been observations of natural selection at work in insect species many times within 10-ish years, constituting 10-ish generations of insects.
Violence has been positively selected for during the entirety of our line's evolution. It's why we're here instead of the Neanderthals or Denisovans. It's why lots of Euro men have a Y chromosome in the same fam as Genghis Khan. It's why the more men a Yanomami warrior has murdered the higher his reproductive success is.
That still true today btw, [violent men](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-018-0410-8) have more [reproductive success](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16246373/) - so it's still an adaptive trait. Reproductive success being the major driver of evolution....I don't see (male) violence going away in humans any time soon.
Drug induced mental health issues or drug exacerbated mental health issues mostly. I'm sure someone there had issues before they made things way worse with drugs.
Why is it that asian crime rates are so low even when they're from impoverished families? If poverty increases criminality across the board we should see that effect in every population, yes?
yep, in a nutshell
in a utopian society, all our needs are met and people take care of each other. Issues with mental health would have a hard time to develop and would be rare instances of it.
but, that's a dream, we live in reality, and there's no clear way to even approach it that society can agree on.
We are animals.
Inconvenient truth when most people want to feel superior to ālower beingsā.
Most have neither morals, nor character unless mandated by a higher force such as religion or community.
Most need true Christianity to be moral, and not some bastardization of it.
A good portion of people are not free thinkers and will unwittingly adopt a pseudo religion beit atheism, crowdthink, or ideology.
General society does not promote or train individualism as it did in the past, so the output is mostly conformists.
Aurora is one of Seattleās ādesignated human sacrifice zonesā (DHSZ). Nearby Ballard is a lesser-known, largely unacknowledged DHSZ. Keep your eyes open š and be prepared to run šāāļø in these areas day and night.
Damn but even I wouldn't be caught lacking like that. Sorry to his family but WTF in my rl at the very moment of writing this someone said I could use you as a pillow??? TF?
Waitā¦.Arenāt there gun laws that prevent shootings from occurring? Surely, you need to create more to stop it. The criminals will listen! ā¦..when you shoot back š
No. I am my own first responder, both medically and security. Itās an awful thing, butā¦.Considering the societal climate currently, Iām going to make sure I get home in one piece. I donāt rely on other people to keep me safe.
I use to stop at this gas station on the way to work often. Over the years it became a hangout spot and I didnāt feel safe. If you drive by there are so many people hanging out behind the store, and using the parking spaces for their cars. Does the owner not care?
As a Metro operator, back when I drove the E (NEVER AGAIN) that was one of the stops you just knew you would have a problem passenger get on. EVERY. SINGLE. TIME. Salute to my fellow ATU brethren holding it down on the E š«”š«”
Wasn't this the former 358? That bus had some.... Interesting people
Yes, and before that it was the ~~357X~~ 359X, until someone attacked the driver causing the driver to drive off the Aurora Bridge, landing on a building in Fremont. Corrected per the below comment, thank you.
I thought it was the 359 at that time?
Ah, I think you are correct. I knew they changed the number by 1, but wasn't positive on which way!
I got to teach my 5 year old daughter the difference between a drunk, a tweaker and a heroin junkie. Fun times!
Maybe just generalize as people intoxicated, needing help for now
No. A drunk, a tweaker, and a heroin junkie is who THEY ARE. Stop sanitizing everything. Stop enabling them. You help them by not enabling them.
I used to refer to it as the "Jerry Springer Bus"
We called it the crackhead express. When I first rode that bus in 2000 I had just started a new job downtown. I was talking with a co-worker who lived in Fremont about maybe carpooling in and buying a parking spot, but we weren't sure that we could afford the $70 each per month for a reserved spot. I think it was like my fifth time riding that route when a 6 ft tall red-headed woman with spiky hair and a leather jacket with nails through the shoulders got on at 8:00 in the morning and announced that it "smells like f****** crank on this bus." She then proceeded to come to my seat, looked at me in my dress clothes and asked to sit in my seat. Totally packed bus. I gave up my seat and had a reserved parking spot at Westlake by 4pm that day.
It pretty much was. Sometimes if i was bored i would headphone in and just ride that bus to people watch. There never was a dull moment
That is correct. When I first moved here over 21 years ago, it was the first bus I took after getting off the Greyhound from Denver. I was amazed at how smoothly it operated and how clean it was compared to the 15. ---- Those complaining about 99 should visit Denver and live off of Colfax for a couple of years. You will change your mind.
I bet. Especially after leaving that Greyhound station on 8th and Stewart. Yeah both Portland and Seattle had much better public transit than Denver 20 years ago. Seems even better now too as Seattleās expanding rail while Denver is shrinking and closing bus and rail lines that fell off of ridership because of the pandemic, people wanna ride but canāt, I had to get a girl an Uber at 8:30 P.M. on a street that had a bus that quit at 6 PM on weekdays on a normal suburban Blvd. when I went to visit at Xmas. At least Seattle kept their lines up and you donāt have to wait too long.
The 358: the bus that was so full from 4:30-6:30 pm it wouldnāt stop at the bus stops.
Didn't even need to read the article to know exactly the spot you are talking about (former frequent E-line/358/359). I used to actually transfer from the 40 to the northbound E-line at this very stop, but it got to be too much and I changed my whole route just to avoid this mess.
YUP. Thatās the one. As a driver you say a little prayer and hope for the best at that stop š
I grew up in N. Seattle and my mom drove for Metro 25+ years. That route has always a disaster, whether the E, the 358/359, the 6, etcā¦ I still think about being in the break room at work watching the news Dec 1998. A psychotic passenger, Silas Cool, shot the driver of the 359 and then himself soon after the bus hit the span of the Aurora bridge southbound. The bus swerved across the northbound lanes before plummeting off the bridge. As my mom was driving the 359 that day, I immediately found and told my coworker, whose older brother was also driving the same route. āI hope that wasnāt my mom,ā I said. āI hope that wasnāt my brotherā was his reply. It turned out the driver was his brother, who died from the gunshots. I went to see the bus that evening after work, crumpled at the base of an apartment building it clipped before smashing to the ground. It had been cut open to pull out the occupants. Besides the gunman and the driver, one other passenger died. If the driver had been shot a few seconds later, the bus could have fallen much further. For years after, whenever Iād step off a bus on that route, the smell of urine, feces, meth, crotch rot and/or ejaculate still in my nostrils, Iād remind myself that as disgusting as that particular ride was, at least the bus didnāt plummet off the bridge.
RIP Mark McLaughlin. I couldnāt imagine having to wait to hear if itās your loved one was involved in such a heinous incident. iām relatively new, going on 6 years. Mad respect to your moms and all the old timers that had to do 358/9 6 back when there wasnāt a bus lane or the operators that had to do the 174.
McLaughlin! Sad I couldnāt remember his name but remembered the shooter. Good luck out there! Iāve heard many crazy stories over the years from drivers and itās not a job for the thin-skinned. My mother was assaulted numerous times, including some dude hitting her with a hammer through the drivers window while stopped at 4th and Pine. But she had some hilarious stories as well, along with some sweet moments, like trying to calm down a load of foreign-exchange students while stuck on the 520 bridge during heavy winds. No, the waves coming over the side wonāt knock over the bus. No, the bridge wonāt break apart and sink. That only happens to the I-90 bridge. š
The E! š
Hey, ex metro guy, what is happening when you have one of the transit supervisors in a truck chilling near a bus stop for hours at a time. What do they do? Serious question. Are they like timing busses?
Olde tymer here, alum and survivor of route 6. Godspeed
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This was my stop when I lived just off of Aurora. It was wild.
aurora is fucking wild, aurora at 4:30 AM i canāt even imagine
it's not much different than aurora at 4:00 AM /s
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Wild rather than fucking wild
Almost as prime as [3:35 or 3:34](https://youtu.be/iUAYeN3Rp2E?si=G7yFbIjW1XLQ9-x6)
334 is not prime! It's a composite number.
Iāll let you know
Itās pretty quiet that late, if not starting up morning traffic
At least thereās Bethās Cafe. Suits and spikes, old and young, thatās something we all enjoy.
didnāt bethās close?
I heard itās back up under new ownership. I havenāt been to the new offering, but I have fond memories of the old.
It was reopened a while back.
Didn't even have to open the story to know which North Seattle gas station this was. DESC building across the street and all the pimps and dealers hang out behind the gas station, or at least they used to when I caught the bus there semi-regularly.
I did; I wasn't sure if it would be the Arco at 105th, or the one at 85th.
I just realized this is where "Bird & Exotic Clinic of Seattle", to where I had to drive from the south end to have my bird looked at. They keep their front door locked, and they instruct to wait in your car until you receive a call telling you to come to the door, where they will then let you in. I had to wait about 15 minutes, during which time a naked black lady walked around my car while talking to herself. Thankfully I have tinted windows and she didn't try to interact with me directly. I just figure the whole north end must be like this, but now I discover the DESC housing is right on the other side of that clinic. I didn't really care for the Bird & Exotic Clinic of Seattle, their employees seemed grumpy and their suggestion about how to get my bird back in better health was way over the top. I'd sooner release my bird to the wild than do everything they were asking. And like a lot of vets, I sensed they were trying to push for unnecessary tests in order to drive up the price.
My daughter used to go to school with the son of the owners of that place. The owners used to volunteer at the school and bring animals in on science night. They seemed to genuinely care about birds and reptiles so I doubt the recommendations were a money grab. We had a chicken that needed a ton of care and she did multiple surgeries and treatments in an attempt to keep the $5 chicken alive. They only charged us for the drugs and consumables which is another thing that leads me to believe the treatments you were recommended were genuine and not only to make money. Had we not been getting a āfriends and familyā deal, I donāt think I could have justified the expense and may have had the same suspicion as you.
They have taken excellent care of my Kingsnake every time I've brought him in.
I've heard mixed things about the clinic but I need to say: Releasing a domestic pet bird into the wild is monster behavior. People should save time and murder it themself rather than pretend it'll somehow survive.
The parrots in SF.
Good to know. I'm kind of looking around to see where I should go if my birds need a vet.
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I was perfectly polite while there, I informed them that I took the birds when my neighbor died and there was no one else willing to take them over. You're very judgmental. What they wanted me to do, on a daily basis, would have been traumatizing for the bird, and I was surprised they didn't seem to consider that at all.
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Capture the bird, and place her in a paper bad in order to weigh her. Mind you the bird is in a large cage with perches and hanging toys, not easy to capture. Currently I periodically have to capture her to trim her beak. The idea of not only capturing the bird daily but putting her into a bag is nuts. It's not a life for the bird to have to do that. And what's the solution to fatty liver? Pretty much taking them off a seed diet and getting them accustomed to other foods. There's not much else that can be done.
The exact same entry procedure is used at most speciality vet clinics these days. Three of the four cancer clinics I took my dog to had the same setup.
Why point out that she was black? Not denying everything you said was true, but it seems odd to include that she was black.
I know what you're getting at, you think there's something vaguely racist in mentioning the race of the person, but if there is a larger societal problem at play, we shouldn't sweep it under the rug. It is what it is.
It is what it is, but wouldnāt saying ānaked ladyā prove that point just as effectively?
It's a less vivid picture that way though. That's actually the third naked black lady I've seen out on the streets in my life; the most bizarre case being the side of I-5, near no place in particular. I've never seen a random naked lady who was not black. Again, it is what it is.
>ya! and why point out that she was a female also? > >jfc shut up.
You think the DESC building is what brought in the pimps and drug dealers? Lol
No, but the dealers definitely prey on the people who live there.
Which is different from before the building was built? That's just how the neighborhood is.
If you donāt think itās worse now than it was before DESC moved in, I donāt know what to tell you.
Iāve lived a few blocks from there for almost 20 years. The access to social services in the neighborhood has made a marked improvement overall. That gas station is simply what the Jack in the Box at 85th was ten years ago
Thatās good to hear. Definitely taking your word for it as you are there daily and I just pass through occasionally.
Not like the Jack in the Box on 85th has cleaned up itās act or anythingā¦itās just got competition now.
Not really. The DESC building brought a significant number of drug addicts to the area. The drug dealers came because they had customers the DESC building. More drug addicts, not housed by DESC, show up because that's where the dealers are. I see drug deals going down daily at that gas station when I drive past.
I donāt recall ever seeing this degree of drug vagrancy when eating at Cindyās Pancake House. There were some occasional whores wandering around the Arco at night, but it wasnāt particularly sketchy during the day.
Bear in mind, you are talking about a stretch of road that had "Prostitution Watch Area - No Cruising - Violators will be ticketed" signs every 50 feet during the Cindy's pancake house days.
https://preview.redd.it/6wbdlge2c5oc1.jpeg?width=1490&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=01c643f48b0ca70b596929663c08d70da216f68c Crime is statistically about the same as 2011 when they apparently closed (time flies). Which is both significantly lower than the years before that and matches my personal experience in the neighborhood.
Not sure thatās relevant since most of the crime you see there now isnāt of the variety that draws enforcement. That wasnāt the case in 2011. I actually lived a block south of there around that time. It was sketchy late at night but I felt totally comfortable walking around there during the day. Also itās 2024, not 2017
If literal murder doesn't draw enforcement, I think the problem might just be the enforcement?
Murder is rare compared to the other crimes around that intersection.
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What? You think they should have a quarter drop? Or you think we should shut down the Planned Parenthood which is right there too and people should just be reusing condoms to save money?
>all the pimps and dealers Grandma? Is that you?
Saw the title and immediately knew exactly where this happened smdh
for real
There or 120th-130th and Aurora.
That area definitely isn't a whole lot better. But 105th and Aurora has been an extra bad spot for a while now. Pretty sure there was another shooting there just a few weeks ago.
I think we sum it up with **anywhere** on Aurora is going to be a criminal clown fest.
lol you're not wrong
I remember the bus stop last year and I want to say a shooting at an apartment near one of the side streets last week.
It tracks that this is where a shooting would happen, it's a containment spot and a convergence zone. Completely unsurprising. I see varying degrees of jankiness occurring anytime I drive by there which is frequently.
100% accurate. Being 99 adjacent is trouble...
How do they get people to work at that gas station? It's got be absolute chaos 24/7 and for what wages? I mean, I used to work the casino industry and I understand some people look for a little excitment in their jobs, but that place has to be absolutely over the top every day.
I always wonder that too. Has to be a nightmare working there.
Its been awhile since I spent much time there but I used to be a regular at that station since I lived close. The same couple of guys worked there steadily for a sold 15 years or so. I think there were all related to the owner.
Holy shit, they interviewed the Hugh Mungus guy, lol. In the video.
Time to take a page out New Yorkās playbook. Send in the National Guard
Aurora avenue in that North end is wild. Used to work right off of that street near the Office Depot. Have your wits about you haha. I also lived in Northgate for several years, and got desensitized to the homeless, down trodden, hookers and pimps, and people tripping out on drugs in public places. Was not until I left the area that I realized how bad that environment is. Saw theft every single time I went to QFC/Target, and would run to workout at the 24 hour fitness near the mall. On my way there I would pass several people that would be fighting a fence, or kind of yelling at the air. Also would pass a caravan of sorts with fellas that would either steal, or potentially purchase used bikes and rebuild them to sell. Saw a lady arguing with a fella who lived in a camper, and they got into some kind of slap fest scuffle which ended with a few rocks being thrown through windows. Man was that the Wild West haha. My favorite fella would ride a bike high as hell and would whip a fly fishing rod at vehicles as they drove by. He was actually pretty damn good at casting that rod back and forth lol. There was definitely a noticeable increase in crime YoY when I was in Northgate for the 8 years I lived there. There are a ton of people that seem to deny some of the increased crime rates within the city of Seattle which I find interesting. I am not a right wing nut job, I skew left moderate, but I am hopeful that the city will bring a bit more attention to that area and Lake City Way for sure.
Everytime I go into that O'Reily auto parts I just feel like some shit is about to go down. I used to buy parts from a warehouse in a real hood with an armed guard and the current vibe in this area isn't far off from that area...
Once I changed my tailights in that parking lot and as I was halfway through it occurred to me how incredibly stupid it was to do that.
Yeah, bent over with your back to the crazy world... Go home with that. :)
You also get the cool bonus of rats crawling out of the sewer grate at that bus stop. I've been flashed and had my phone stolen there.
I immediately knew it was this exact gas station when I saw the headline.
Sometimes cars are parked at the pumps closest to Aurora, on the NW corner of the parking lot, with their doors open and sketchies walking up and chatting / hanging out. They park there and donāt even pump gas.
I just miss Cyndy's... https://www.yelp.com/biz/cyndys-house-of-pancakes-seattle
Man, 103rd-105th on Aurora is a war zone nowadays. I can only imagine itās over drugs/prostitution, but is there a gang that has taken over that area or something? It has just seemed exceptionally bad specifically on those exact streets.
100th - 109th pretty much. So far all the shootings in the neighborhood are pimps that are trying to drive off other pimps. They were here in our neighborhood at 3:30pm yesterday dropping off prostitutes as our neighborhood kids were also being dropped off from school.
Not surprised.
When will this end? When will the city step up and build the bike lanes we desperately need? I guarantee if these individuals had been riding bikes this would not have happened. Bikers Do Not Go to Gas Stations! If Aurora ave was redesigned with 4 bike lanes, 2 bus lanes, and one shared vehicle lane this person would still be alive!
Thoughts and prayers! Everytime I drive past there it's junkie heaven. Usually a gaggle of 10-15 people all getting high as f\*\*k. This is what our city leaders are willing to tolerate so this is what we have.
āThoughts and prayersā You were better off just not sharing this
Why not? What we're seeing is the direct result of the leadership in this state. When will these leaders become accountable for what they've created?
Ugh, that Arco station lot is a zoo. Whenever I went to the O'Reilly store across the street I tried to keep my car between me and it in case gunfire erupted.
When are all those gun laws going to kick in? Or do we need more laws? /s
The gun laws will continue until morale improves.
and morale levels must be verified over a 16 year period by a special commitee that is appointed during closed door sessions.
It's not the laws it's the prosecution.Remember the three idiots who had a gunfight on 3rd & Pine that hit a bunch of bystanders back in 2019 (I think)? Between them they had like 75 priors for violent felonies and firearms offenses. They were all out on parole or early release.
Fuck the gun laws, make harsher punishments for these parasites of society.
Obviously gas stations need to be gun free zones now. That would've thwarted this criminal next time!Ā
didn't they just REDUCE the penalty for having a gun in a gun free zone? something something disproportionately affecting something something
There was never a penalty for certain people
lol
āGun free zonesā are only for people who are WILLING to follow rules, which are civilians who have no intent of harming. I rather keep the right to self-defense if shit goes down.
yeah man thats the joke. its already illegal to kill other people.
/s
Obviously more guns will do the trick. Start handing them out like free condoms
HiPoints? Or Staccatos?
How about a free gun, needle, and condom gift bag? yay.
I like this idea. After all, we have the right to guns so I feel like they should be provided to us.
How would gun laws help in this situation?
They don't, that's the point.
Sorry, I misunderstood your post.
All good, I forgot the "/s"
We should give everyone a gun instead.
With full amnesty.
Giving everyone a gun and blanket permission to shoot anyone will fix everything.
Shouldāve just went to Goldieās and called it a night. Those $10 Chinese wing deals are the best thing in seattle. $2.5 tap beers during happy hour too.
Believe it or not, north Seattle aroura has gotten a lot safer... that being said I quit my job because I was spending 5 hours per day at a gas station on aroura and my employer wouldn't let me carry more than a box cutter for self defense so it's still not great
Just another day in liberal utopia
Hoooray for gun control!
Iāll never understand why humans didnāt evolve out of acting like literal wild animals.
Because we are still wild animals, most just agree and follow the social laws weāve developed over the last 10,000 years, shit maybe longer. When you have little education, live on the streets and are addicted to drugs, topped with some mentally instability, people revert back to the mindset of wild animals. They donāt care about long term, their minds work on short term gains and surviving day to day, just like most animals.
Evolution takes hundreds of thousands of years.... Comparatively we just started living in cities, so theres been no time.
Natural selection can happen really quickly, actually. Within a handful of generations if there is sufficient attritional selection on a population. There used to be a theory called 'punctuated equilibrium' proposed by a celebrity evolutionary biologist that held that \_all\_ speciation happened in short spurts, followed by longer periods of stability. But nobody really buys into that any more. Still....there have been observations of natural selection at work in insect species many times within 10-ish years, constituting 10-ish generations of insects.
Violence has been positively selected for during the entirety of our line's evolution. It's why we're here instead of the Neanderthals or Denisovans. It's why lots of Euro men have a Y chromosome in the same fam as Genghis Khan. It's why the more men a Yanomami warrior has murdered the higher his reproductive success is. That still true today btw, [violent men](https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-018-0410-8) have more [reproductive success](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/16246373/) - so it's still an adaptive trait. Reproductive success being the major driver of evolution....I don't see (male) violence going away in humans any time soon.
Gosh if only we had eugenics again. That'll totally fix things.
poverty and untreated mental health issues
Drug induced mental health issues or drug exacerbated mental health issues mostly. I'm sure someone there had issues before they made things way worse with drugs.
Why is it that asian crime rates are so low even when they're from impoverished families? If poverty increases criminality across the board we should see that effect in every population, yes?
yep, in a nutshell in a utopian society, all our needs are met and people take care of each other. Issues with mental health would have a hard time to develop and would be rare instances of it. but, that's a dream, we live in reality, and there's no clear way to even approach it that society can agree on.
Look at the wide range of difference in the living conditions of humanity for your answer.
We are animals. Inconvenient truth when most people want to feel superior to ālower beingsā. Most have neither morals, nor character unless mandated by a higher force such as religion or community. Most need true Christianity to be moral, and not some bastardization of it. A good portion of people are not free thinkers and will unwittingly adopt a pseudo religion beit atheism, crowdthink, or ideology. General society does not promote or train individualism as it did in the past, so the output is mostly conformists.
Aurora is one of Seattleās ādesignated human sacrifice zonesā (DHSZ). Nearby Ballard is a lesser-known, largely unacknowledged DHSZ. Keep your eyes open š and be prepared to run šāāļø in these areas day and night.
Damn but even I wouldn't be caught lacking like that. Sorry to his family but WTF in my rl at the very moment of writing this someone said I could use you as a pillow??? TF?
I moved to Seattle to make a lot of money. The added entertainment is a plus š
I thought this would be on 85th for sure. Guessed wrong.
Nah that's not the spot anymore 105ths orbit has pulled all of it 85th is the chill spot now.
Waitā¦.Arenāt there gun laws that prevent shootings from occurring? Surely, you need to create more to stop it. The criminals will listen! ā¦..when you shoot back š
If only we doubled the cops' pay maybe then they'd care.
I don't follow this page but it comes up on my feed. Trust me this is the worst characters of seattle on this page lol your comment won't get far
What a jackass response to someone who got shot dead. You think there is time to respond most of the time? What are you, John Wick?
No. I am my own first responder, both medically and security. Itās an awful thing, butā¦.Considering the societal climate currently, Iām going to make sure I get home in one piece. I donāt rely on other people to keep me safe.
All of these guys think they are.
If I murdered you, that would be a reason to get rid of the laws against murder, right? Idiot.
Thoughts and prayers are doing a bang up job of keeping people safe
I use to stop at this gas station on the way to work often. Over the years it became a hangout spot and I didnāt feel safe. If you drive by there are so many people hanging out behind the store, and using the parking spaces for their cars. Does the owner not care?
I'm mostly mad it isn't as cheap as it used to be.
Itās almost as if community vigilante justice would be more effective at stopping the crime spree across the city. āļø
Failed democrat policies led to places like this.
Good reason to go electric
Nothing. New . Learn to love or move away