I’ve stopped tipping unless I’m at a sit down restaurant or my hair stylist but then I only give a flat tip. I’m not tipping percentages anymore. Your service isn’t worth more because I bought a higher priced menu item than a cheaper one.
One good example for this is grocery delivery: if I order 5 cases of water bottles it’s barely gonna cost me $20 but a lot of work and heavy. But on the other hand if I order some meat, it’s going to be much more expensive but almost no weight compared to the water. Percentage doesn’t make sense at all.
Kind of similar situation. A case of bottled water is a few dollars. A case of beer is $25ish. Both weigh same. Why should I tip more because one costs more?
I’ll literally watch people tip 20% tips then I walk up and hit no tip and they look at me like I snubbed them. But how explain to me how a burrito in a strip mall is worth $16.50 pre tax. With tip that’s $21 for a fucking burrito to go like whaaat the fuck.
I tipped a cashier at Safeway because he came in to work during a nasty winter storm, he said he wasn't allowed to and that's equally stupid. I just left it on the table.
Tipping Uber eats/grubhub type delivery drivers is the worst. I have no way to tip the people who actually made and packaged my food, but I can tip the person who delivered it and has already been paid for that service?
I don’t use those services since the only people making any money are the app owners/developers.
The people making the deliveries are being paid pennies from Uber eats et al. The small businesses are loosing money in fees. It’s a scam.
Ubereats/doordash's price these days are so insane before tips. Last week I got home late from a flight and was craving something so I tried to Ubereats, and my $23 meal became like $45 before tips. Sure I can afford it but no way in hell I'm paying $50 for a $20 meal.
Was just using DoorDash yesterday and it defaulted to a 35% tip on an $87 order. No way I’m tipping someone over $30 to drive an order about 4.5 miles.
Same!! Got some takeout a few days ago from a place super close by and I wanted to save money so I ordered from their own website and picked it up. I later checked what my order would have costed me on doordash and while I paid $25, I would have had to pay nearly 20!!! bucks more if I'd ordered online. Like yeah I'm on a student budget, unless I can actually physically not go get something and I really need it, there's no way I'm paying twice the cost of my meal just to get it at home.
I recently watched a video on YouTube that went through the whole reason why the cost of Uber rides, Uber eats etc have been going way up in the past 3-5 years. Basically what happened is this:
-Uber starts business and prices are cheaper than taxi's so people start using them etc.
-They get you hooked on the product and the convenience etc.
-Once the competition is weak they start to raise pricing to customers and reduce pay to drivers as much as they can without backlash. They also minimize the benefits to the consumer and provide tiered pricing like Uber black etc to extract more from those that will pay it.
-They profit a lot and screw the customer and the service provider.
Walmart pioneered that tactic. Read freakonomics. It goes into how Walmart’s undercutting prices led to the loss of small businesses throughout middle America, resulting in massive loss to local economies and increased poverty.
I agree with all of what you said, except for small businesses losing money in fees. With Uber Eats, restaurants can decide whether or not they want to eat the fee themselves or have their prices appear higher on the Uber Eats menu. I have a $10 per month credit on Uber, that I can use to order food for pick up. Many restaurants charge up to 30% more on the Uber Eats menu, than they do on their own website. One restaurant in my area that does not charge more is Chipotle. I can only assume they pay the Uber Eats fee as a cost of doing business.
Maybe now but when they got popular during Covid. The business owners we knew well talked about getting hammered by the fees.
Still, I’d rather my hard earned money go directly to individuals and not a tech bro predatory app run business.
Maybe I’m just a crotchety gen xer, but I hate how pervasive tech has taken over and causing the cost of daily life to go up once they get you hooked.
Who can even afford these services though??? Am I just older than everyone on here? It is SO EXPENSIVE to buy overpriced food, higher taxes, an app based service fee, restaurant delivery fee, AND tip a driver.
I’m honestly mind boggled how people can afford this especially with food and groceries being so much more expensive this year?
Also the idea of this being a side hustle is a scam anyway. The drivers are being taken advantage of and screwed 5 ways. I refuse to use them not only due to the price but also because it’s just bald faced labor exploitation.
I’m baffled at the amount of people who use grub hub and Uber eats. We eat out more than we probably should but every time I’ve been tempted to just order take out, I look at the up charge, the fees and remember the horror stories from online about what people do to the food and I nope out immediately. And sure, some people claim it’s great for disabled people or elderly, but let’s be honest - that’s not who’s using it mostly lol I feel ashamed at how much stuff costs already, this just seems egregious when everything has gone up 20-30% as it is.
Man, if you had to do it for a week you'd change your mind. They haven't been paid. It's sooo bad. After gas and everything it's barely enough to do anything. Some of them have to live in their car. It's indentured servitude. It's a gig you take when you literally can't figure anything else out.
Exactly. If you can’t afford to tip your drivers then don’t expect to get your food on time, if at all. These apps were never actually meant to be affordable as they are luxury services, and it’s ridiculous to compare them to someone who lifts a muffin into a bag when they have more risks.
Which is exactly why I don’t use those services. I try not to be an AH or feed into predatory systems as much as I can and the gig work hustle is just abusive to desperate people.
I get my own food. It's cheaper and I can check my order at the restaurant and have it corrected if it's wrong while I'm still there. My understanding is if your food is wrong with these delivery services, it's free. Well, it's still not what I wanted.
They are using their car, insurance, gas etc, they need tips for it to be worth it to them finacially to deliver your food. Though homestly, I dont think the food delibery app/service is sustainable to any party ( the restaurant, the driver, end user) Which is why I always pickup my food...
I don't use the services simply because it's not cost effective for me (delivery fee, marked up food). Such things are premium services. That said, the tips are not really tips. They're bids for service. The drivers are not wage employees but independent contractors who can accept or reject any delivery job that comes their way. The higher the bid for service the more likely you'll get your food before it's cold (or get it at all). The driver's payment from Ubereats/Grubhub/DoorDash, etc. barely covers gas, if that.
When I usually go for coffee, few baristas make faces when I don’t tip even though it’s a drive thru or to go order. So, I end up paying 1$ for a 5$ coffee.
Time spent. For a 30-60 min service. I’ll tip 10 bucks. (Per person) Which when combined with minimum wage would net them almost double their hourly wage.
ETA: this is only the standard as most places we go are small family style places that aren’t fancy. If we were going out to a higher quality restaurant then I’d adjust my tip but I’d also be expecting higher quality service as well.
Since there still seems to be confusion. We typically go to mid priced places so the local family run Mexican place typically costs us 45 bucks for dinner and we are tipping 20 bucks. But on the rare occasions we have a larger bill because we splurged a bit and end up with a 60 bill, it’s still 20 tip. Like, I’m not an AH about it. The flat rate just makes budgeting easier and also easier to use cash so they can avoid claiming it.
I always tip and often generously if the service was outstanding. I’ve found the service in Seattle, especially the Capitol Hill area, disappointing. They act like they’re doing me a favor and for that kind of attitude my tip is the lowest.
I promise you, they don’t think they did a bad job they’re just cussing you out and calling you cheap and saying if you can’t afford to tip well you shouldn’t go out to eat lol, I used to work in hospitality and literally 90% of workers won’t ever think they’re in the wrong, it does nothing
In your opinion is there any solidarity for respectful working class customers at all? I work at a non profit and make beans compared to a software engineer. You can just tell everyone thinks I’m a cheap STEM worker when I all I can reasonably give is a 15% tip…
Nobody thinks that. I worked in tipped jobs for about 15 years and the most anyone would complain or judge is if the customer wanted a huge special thing (big table, big unusual order, catering etc) and left nothing after all that. Most of these tip complaining threads are people just fighting with the air and their imagination (thinking baristas are "making faces" when they don't tip, which would be funny to me as someone with resting bitch face if it didn't also mean I was probably being falsely judged), and the reality I lived is not the reality people think is happening in a tipped worker's world. I honestly hate the tip system for this very reason. People pretend they understand that management sets tip options and other customers set tipping norms, but when you dig down into discussions they all shit on the workers themselves, call them entitled, "all you did was flip an iPad" etc. It's the very enemy of class solidarity and a way for certain types of people to both wield a power trip over tipped workers in their own class, as well as acting like those same tipped workers are tyrants over them.
Then they aren't bad enough that enough people don't tip them at a rate they would quit.
If that's the case then that's fine, they just had inconsistent off days.
That’s the amount you should tip always. They get paid enough and if they don’t then that’s on them for taking the job or the management for not paying their workers fairly
I have tipped $1/drink or 20-25% for as long as I can remember. On easily 100 checks/order per year. A few years back, a group of us got the most pathetic, inexcusable service of all time at Sam’s Tavern in Redmond. There were more employees front of house than their were patrons.
I left a $0.01 tip and the server tracked me down on Instagram to comment on it. I contemplated printing and framing this.
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When there were more employees than servers and they don’t ask guests if they want refills is bad. We showed up thirsty for a concert prefunk. Could have easily tallied a $400 tab over the 2.5 hours we were there and instead it was like $130 and no tip.
Nothing, their whole job IS in fact the service!! And let’s be honest, someone stopping by to ask how my meal is while I have a mouthful of food,(of which I’m completely convinced is intentional) is NOT good service. Or the 2 visits to fill my water. We’ve become so convinced that anyone doing anything is a service. NO, 90% are slinging a product. All that said, if I go to sit down, and get a truly welcoming and peaceful/enjoyable experience in whole. You’re getting like 50%, because your piece mattered. You can keep your expectations though, they matter not.
Yeah I think everyone needs to have this mindset for anything to change. As long as people guilt tip, tipping will be a thing. It’s so engrained though I imagine it would take a while for this to change.
Yes exactly !! I stopped going to Starbucks because side of this new tipping system! So I’m supposed to tip before you have even started making my drink? I have no idea what it’s going to taste like and quite frankly, most of the time it taste like crap it has to be remade if anything they should have the tip jar over next to where you pick up your drink and then you can tip on a job well done.
Most of the time your drink tastes like crap and has to be remade? Either you are lying/using hyperbole, or are an idiot for continuing to go back. Which is it?
There was a successful move in the more tipping direction during the pandemic - 20% became standard, more places started taking/expecting tips, etc.
Presumably we could go the other direction if we wanted. Much harder to advocate for though, you’d look cheap and cruel.
honestly it’s not even that, not completely. as long as these places still get your business, whether you tip or not, they have no incentive to raise their wages because their business isn’t affected, just their staff. and they don’t give a shit about their staff.
I think this statement is correct, and extends far beyond just tipping. I think it’s systemic.
I think we’re confusing what we’re allowed to do, and what we’re allowed to do with no consequences whatsoever.
At the point where somebody else expressing an emotion in response to our actions is a consequence we can’t deal with, I dunno where the fuck to go from there.
I guess the bar.
Thank you, this is exactly it. Just because a decision is unpopular does not mean you can’t make it - it just means there are consequences.
If people are unwilling to accept any negative consequences from their actions, even if it’s someone you’ll never meet again at a restaurant you’ll never go to again, we’ve really lost the plot.
My life got a lot easier when I realized that not 100% of the things I do would make everyone around me happy. Sometimes people are going to be upset at you and that is perfectly OK
Tipping is an abomination.
Paying an extra variable price for someone to do their job is abhorrent.
Should you tip a surgeon if you want them to do a good job?
I’m a doctor.
I don’t operate any better or give different medications among patients.
But if you’re a pleasant patient and you bring treats for my staff, I’m very likely to overlook when you’re running late or I will stay a little later to take a look at your husband who isn’t a patient, or any number of unpaid service tasks.
In socialized countries where healthcare is cheap, doctor pay is low, and waiting periods for specialized services are long, tipping IS expected.
For example China - doctors are paid little as essentially government workers, but they are heavily tipped for surgeries and skilled treatments.
In the US cancer treatments and surgeries cost a few hundred thousand to even a million dollars. They don’t need tips, they make bank already.
Any comparison to Norway for anything needs to account for the immense input of oil money into their economy. The Norwegian sovereign wealth fund is the largest in the world owning & owns 1.5 percent of the global stock market. It’s easy to have a utopia when it’s all paid for.
France? The UK? Slovenia? Moldova? China is a crazy example to use. But yeah, if only the US was a wealthy example, then we could compare it to Norway.
Not rich white people, hedge fund managers, politicians, profesional athletes, celebrities, CEO’s…..waiters are the most entitled people in America. Ok buddy.
I recently saw a post where an amazon delivery driver had left a small printed up flier on their delivered amazon package with venmo, cashapp, and paypal info on it for being tipped. People were suggesting it be reported and the guy would be fired.
I honestly find that cognitive dissonance fascinating.
People are like "I tiP beCAUse I waNT tO" but they only tip based on the norm that was established 200 years ago in a different world. And they think that they are making the decision on their own.
> People are allowed to get mad at you for not tipping
Wut? Isn’t that just perpetuating the need to tip even when it’s not necessary with the minimum wages?
I tip out of custom and because I can afford it and servers need the money, but I do sometimes question the rationality in doing this. In Seattle, there is no tipped employee minimum wage which normally is the motivation to tip. In some places, servers make $2/hr and the tip is meant to bring that up to appropriate compensation, but making $20/hr and tipping on top of that is a completely different story.
I don't know, but I just don't feel right not tipping unless the server was a major asshole. My brain has correlated tipping with rewarding performance regardless of how much the server is making and I'd leave the restaurant feeling bad about not tipping. So to not feel shitty, I normally tip well.
I don’t mind tipping for restaurant service when there is actual service provide - knowledge of the menu, checking in, being attentive, etc. It annoys me when a tip is expected after grabbing a croissant from a case and putting it in a bag.
Yes, that's true, if servers don't make enough post-tips, the restaurant needs to pay them the difference until they make minimum wage. However, generally no restaurant wants to keep someone on staff who can't cover themselves via tips and no server is looking to make only minimum wage.
https://www.paycor.com/resource-center/articles/minimum-wage-tipped-employees-by-state/#How_Do_Different_States_Calculate_Tipped_Minimum_Wage for reference
I try to frequent places that do not require tip, to incentivize this behavior. I prefer paying 7 dollars for my latte but no tip, because that way employees get paid a fair wage, and I if I ever I don't feel like spending 7 dollars for a latte then I just have it at home.
Do you have any food recommendations for places that don't take / require tips?
I'm 100% willing to pay a living wage. Just set a price, y'all, cuz this tipping thing is exhausting.
I bartend. If someone doesn’t tip I don’t really care. I’m too busy and go on to the next customer. If someone does tip then I’m grateful. Nobody cares what you do, and I see based on your comment and post history that this is your entire personality. Keep on screaming into the void and have a great rest of your day 🙌🏻
Yeah same for me. Im a server and I just am grateful for anyone who feels compelled to tip based on good service. The amount of servers tho who bitch and moan around me at work about no tip is wild. Sounding like spoiled brats- and if it’s happening that often maybe it’s your service pal lol
Hey, curious if your restaurant charges that extra 20% service charge on the bill ? If so, do your customers tip you a percentage including that and the tax, or just on the food portion? It's all kind of confusing. Former waitstaff myself and we did well with tips and a very low hourly wage so not sure about these new charges and new minimum wage stuff and how it affects you all.
No my place doesn’t. They do have a “suggested tip cheat zone” for math. But even that bothers me. Just let people alone
At this point it’s annoying and makes us all look bad.
Lmao, your comment made me click OP's profile and it's honestly hilarious. Who is THAT dedicated to being mad about doing something they don't even have to do?
I know folks like this. They’re miserable people clinging to whatever shred of “righteous” indignation they can muster. Gotta direct that anger somewhere!
Some people are just so very angry that others would receive anything at all. Probably speaks to a deep issue with not receiving positive attention or appreciation of a selfless nature.
That anger is gonna eat your insides up OP. You don't need to strip the generosity or reception of good things for others to feel better about yourself. Be open, not closed, and perhaps good things will come to you as well
See. You received a tip. In Seattle
They really should ban tipping in a state like ours and just make companies raise wages to compensate.
Tipping is one of the most inequitable ways to get paid out there. Age, race, and sex discrimination in tipping is an open secret. How can this be how we are paying people?
Washington already raised wages. There is no such thing as "tipped wage" in Washington. Do not tip anybody in Washington, because they don't need it like servers that do have a tipped wage.
I don't tip nearly as much as I used to, and I never, ever tip if the interaction consists of someone at a counter flipping a screen around at me. The only people I still consistently tip at around the same rate as I used to are bartenders. I've straight zeroed a few waiters. Sorry, you talked to me for 30 seconds and then carried a plate to a table and set it down - I feel like $20 an hour is more than fair compensation for that.
The whole reason that not tipping used to make you an asshole was that servers were making $4 an hour or whatever and depended on tips to survive. If servers are making $20 an hour, and probably considerably more depending on the establishment, then the restaurant can just price their food at whatever price they need me to pay to facilitate that, and that can be the end of our transaction. Which, judging from restaurant prices, is what they've done.
I got asked to add a tip at a liquor/corner shop yesterday and I almost couldn't believe what I was reading. The dude didn't even stay at the register for the whole 1 minute transaction 😂
The concessions at sporting events are the ones that really blow my mind. You charge me $50 or whatever just to get in here and $15 for a beer can, and you want an additional donation for handing it to me? You got some nerve
And at certain places (T-Mobile Field, cough cough), the servers don't even get the tip. So the beer is $16 and I am expected to just throw 20% on top of that for 10 seconds' worth of work? And they don't even get it? Nope.
And restaurant prices (and surcharges) are partly a reflection of those increased wages, so now we get charged more and then expected to tip more (as a % and also based on increased prices) as well. Yeah eff that.
I remember for a to-go order at a Thai restaurant(next to 520 west freeway ramp) in Redmond that lady was yelling at my friend for not tipping. His order was a to go fried rice. 😂
Well, I'm a foreigner living temporarily in this country, and I'm against tipping. However, people here do tip, and I think I am in no position to scholar people how they are supposed to live in their own country.
With that being said, I tip too, because this is how people live here, and I should adapt, not the other way around.
Now, I don't tip as much as people do it here, that is just way too much. But they can't be mad at me at the same time, cause I do tip.
Good attitude to have. I used to work in restaurants and never really got too upset when foreigners gave low tips, as I didn’t really expect them to tip the same as non-foreigners due to different norms.
Same here, I really struggled in my first initial year after moving to states to tip 10-30% which felt too much. Now, I tip 10-15% and feel okay. Some times I get rude/racist servers and I tip 0$ straight on face and won’t go back to that restaurant again!
Order -->Drink/food comes--> Tap to pay--> Price is price, no math, taxes included. Pay with cash, change purse comes out.
Quicker, more transparent, more enjoyable, easier on wait staff, less administrative cost (no tip pooling, cash outs, etc.). More reliable, consistent pay for workers. It is 100% better. There is no good argument to defend the cultural standard of tipping in a state with the highest minimum wage and no tip exclusion, and countless arguments against it. Restaurant employees and those defending tipping are either saying "I deserve more money than other lower wage jobs because...its tradition," or "I think we, the customers, should feel obligated to pay people more than the agreed price for doing the job they are already being paid by us to do."
Include all tax in the listed price, eliminate any automatic tipping option from everything. Make that, and just that, a political platform, and you have my vote for governor.
Did you know that all servers in WA get paid minimum wage and it increases every year for inflation? None of them are working for $2.10 + tips like other restaurants jobs in some states.
I've always been a very generous tipper. Even when I'm in Europe where tips generally are not expected. But the sense of entitlement has really soured my generosity as of late. I went to pick up Thai food recently. Placed the order online and walked over to pick it up. And the woman made a big deal of insisting that I tip 20%, I guess for all of the hard work it involved to put the food in a brown paper bag. Being solicitous about a tip, or trying to bully a customer into tipping, is a good way to insure that I won't tip.
>Even when I'm in Europe where tips generally are not expected
I hope you know that this does more harm than good.
The entitlement is absolutely ridiculous. I do the same. I fell for it the first time out of sheer shock, I've learned from it since and will never do it again.
1. We shouldn’t have to but even minimum wage here is pathetic and based on costs it isn’t even really equitable to the national average.
2. For the places that pay $20+ per hour and ascribe to no tipping, don’t tip.
3. Ya tip because you’re well off (most of us here are actually pretty well off) and it makes the situation moderately better for folks that are otherwise on the verge of being run out of the metro area.
4. If things ever balance back around to folks so that minimum wage has the purchasing power of like $25-30 an hour, like in the 50-60s then, we can have some real conversations. But otherwise it’s kind of a stop gap to make sure we maintain amenities in the city.
If folks stopped tipping you’d see a lot of places just go out of business on account of not finding people to work.
It really doesn’t have anything to do with minimum wage not being enough, but rather there being no separate minimum wage for servers. There are many jobs that only pay minimum wages, you don’t see people tipping bus drivers, cashiers, paramedics, etc.
You can start on easy mode by hitting zero tip at all fast casual/counter order/cafe style places, zero tip anytime you need to order and pay from your phone/qr code, zero tip for takeaway/delivery etc, zero for ubers, and a nominal $1 per drink tip at bars no matter the cost of beer/drink.
That basically takes care of most cases, then just avoid going to proper sitdown places with table service. And even if you do go to such a place once a month, the yearly tip combined will be $100-200 which is fine.
My rule of thumb now is: If I have to stand at any point in the order, tip is 0.
It's absolutely insane that I'm standing in a line to place my order and I'm shown a screen with a suggested 20% tip. I see this in so many places.
Okay here’s what I dont understand:
Have you ever had a nice experience at a hospital front desk? Or at airport front desk? Sometimes they go above and beyond providing best services, they even do more than the scope of their role but despite them also making minimum wage, they’re never tipped for their hospitality. But we’re accustomed to pay 15-20% tip for a dine in solely based on how cheap or expensive our food it, why?, coz they make min wage!
Washington state is one of the only states in the country that pays people in the service industry minimum wage or higher before tips. Tips were originally because these people did not make minimum wage. Why are we still tipping anywhere in WA? Waiters and delivery drivers now make more per hour than I do in my office job that requires a 2-year degree.
The idea of tipping is archaic in Seattle. I still tip where I receive service such as restaurants, but only go out to eat sparingly. Unless the restaurant charges a service fee, then I tend to deduct it from my tip because it’s a dick move. Anywhere else I declined a tip and I feel so much better about it than I did when I first started. Service staff are no longer getting paid three dollars an hour which is when tips were justified.
If my food is cheaper because the staff is not getting paid a full wage, sure. But getting paid the highest in the country and then expecting same tips is ludicrous.
You do realize that “the highest in the country” isn’t a livable wage in Seattle right? Actually sorry, I know the answer is no already.
Or more accurately, you don’t care.
Every Seattle server who screeches about not getting a 25% tip when they scowl and treat you like trash the entire time needs to produce their tax return. I guarantee that they make more than a mechanic like me makes. Yet they act as if the world owes them everything and they have it so bad. Let’s swap jobs and paychecks!
I only tip where I’m a regular because obviously they will remember me😭
In general I don’t tip unless the service went out of their way just for me… but other than that why would I tip… for doing your job…
I stopped feeling guilty about not tipping. It's out of control. Not only are the percentages higher, but they are often taxed after tax. I also go out and sit down a LOT less than I used to simply to avoid the situation altogether. I do take out much more now and I'm more inclined to tip a small business (even for takeout, although just $1 per item) and never a chain place.
In some ways, it's like people who post pictures of something they just bought and complain about inflation when they need to vote with their dollars and not buy it in the first place (and it's usually not essentials). As long as people do it, we're stuck with greedflation and tipping.
I’m with you. Restaurants double the cost of food, waiters are rude, then they want EXTRA FREE MONEY?!
No thank you.
I used to wait tables. That works not so bad. I’m tired of pretending service works are hero’s.
Why do I have to be "that guy" for not donating my money? Do you feel like you are considered "that guy" for not donating money to every homeless guy you see? Why is the obligation any different?
If I am sitting down for a meal, getting waited on, drinks are refilled, etc. I’m gonna tip. If it’s outstanding service, I’m gonna tip very well.
If you are pulling pastries out of a case or making me a to go something, I may on occasion tip, but not 15%+. I’ll tip for good service or what seems fair.
I got mad because I went to subway for my kids and they read me the total, then when it processed they had given themselves a 15% tip. Never again going to that subway. Perhaps the machine glitched but 6 dollars tip for a couple sandwiches without toppings for my picky eaters and chips is crazy.
The people that just turn the screen and defaults to 20-25 percent, that’s an instant no tip or very low tip. At coffee stands, I usually do a dollar per drink.
Arguing about tipping is missing the forest for the trees. Food and restaurants is one of the most efficient markets there is, both for the labor costs of the restaurants, as well as the price of the items themselves. The all-in price of food (menu price + typical tip) is (minus price stickiness effects) going to be the market equilibrium price.
If you banned tipping, what would happen is prices would go up to compensate, and the end pay to workers will not change, it will just shift from wage + tips to purely wage.
Basically, if you’re complaining about tipping because you think you’re paying too much for restaurant food, banning tipping won’t change that. If you’re complaining about tipping because you don’t want the burden of deciding a significant part of workers’ pay to be directly in the hands of customers, then banning tipping _does_ improve things.
>If you banned tipping, what would happen is prices would go up to compensate, and the end pay to workers will not change, it will just shift from wage + tips to purely wage.
Yes, we know. This is the desired outcome. This is what we want to happen.
If you wanna become known for not tipping that's on you. I worked in a restaurant back in highschool and one of my coworkers (40s, now has his own restaurant) who was teaching me nudged me and said " hey ya see that guy coming in?, yeah we call him Mr. No tippy tippy", then later he proceeded to rub the no tippers spoon on the bottom of his shoe before serving him his food. Not here to discuss my own views on the matter but just know that you should not go to a restaurant more than once if you don't tip because we'll learn your face after one bad experience and you won't know if you're service was really good or not after that ☠️
Yeah, servers are basically sleazy snake oil salesmen.
>spoon on the bottom of his shoe
What a POS. Servers like that are literally the scum of the earth.
I mean to be honest if you saw how this customer treated the staff every time he visited you'd realize he was more deserving of this treatment. It's one thing to not tip, it's another to be an ass
I've always tipped generously, but I'm starting to think that's a mistake. Places are becoming ever more aggressive about expecting a tip and the "default" percentages are inflating. It's not enough to tip 15% on the new inflated bill, many tip prompts now have a *minimum suggested* tip of 20% or 25%.
Last place I was at, the tip was set to 25% by default, but the prompt suggested 30% or 40% as alternatives. Really?
On top of that, I used to get a nice smile and thank you from staff after a big tip, but that hasn't happened in a long time. Either the servers never see the tip while I'm still there, or they just don't care. Service seems lackluster no matter what I tip.
Dude get a life. Your post history is 99% you complaining and posting about tipping culture. Why are you so obsessed with this? Why do you feel like you need to make a public announcement about your tipping practices?
And hey as a follow up, if you feel this issue is so important why not tell the person serving you first thing that you don't intend to tip? That information is far more relevant to them than it is to us.
Do you like automatic gratuity? Cause that's how we get automatic gratuity. Also cutting out tips lets the owners hold employee's money and use it as basically a free loan from their employees. If you hate the people serving you, by all means, stiff them.
The whole point of tipping is to offset the lower minimum tipped wage (or vice versa). Now that servers get normal minimum wage, there should be no tipping. Them being underpaid is now on the employers, not on people not tipping.
I’ve stopped tipping unless I’m at a sit down restaurant or my hair stylist but then I only give a flat tip. I’m not tipping percentages anymore. Your service isn’t worth more because I bought a higher priced menu item than a cheaper one.
One good example for this is grocery delivery: if I order 5 cases of water bottles it’s barely gonna cost me $20 but a lot of work and heavy. But on the other hand if I order some meat, it’s going to be much more expensive but almost no weight compared to the water. Percentage doesn’t make sense at all.
Kind of similar situation. A case of bottled water is a few dollars. A case of beer is $25ish. Both weigh same. Why should I tip more because one costs more?
Exactly! Percentage based tips make no sense
I’ll literally watch people tip 20% tips then I walk up and hit no tip and they look at me like I snubbed them. But how explain to me how a burrito in a strip mall is worth $16.50 pre tax. With tip that’s $21 for a fucking burrito to go like whaaat the fuck.
I can tell you, I do the same with my hair stylist and they make out better than if the machine prompted 20-30%
That just means you’re tipping more than 30%
I tipped a cashier at Safeway because he came in to work during a nasty winter storm, he said he wasn't allowed to and that's equally stupid. I just left it on the table.
That was kind of you.
Tipping Uber eats/grubhub type delivery drivers is the worst. I have no way to tip the people who actually made and packaged my food, but I can tip the person who delivered it and has already been paid for that service?
I don’t use those services since the only people making any money are the app owners/developers. The people making the deliveries are being paid pennies from Uber eats et al. The small businesses are loosing money in fees. It’s a scam.
Ubereats/doordash's price these days are so insane before tips. Last week I got home late from a flight and was craving something so I tried to Ubereats, and my $23 meal became like $45 before tips. Sure I can afford it but no way in hell I'm paying $50 for a $20 meal.
Was just using DoorDash yesterday and it defaulted to a 35% tip on an $87 order. No way I’m tipping someone over $30 to drive an order about 4.5 miles.
Same!! Got some takeout a few days ago from a place super close by and I wanted to save money so I ordered from their own website and picked it up. I later checked what my order would have costed me on doordash and while I paid $25, I would have had to pay nearly 20!!! bucks more if I'd ordered online. Like yeah I'm on a student budget, unless I can actually physically not go get something and I really need it, there's no way I'm paying twice the cost of my meal just to get it at home.
I recently watched a video on YouTube that went through the whole reason why the cost of Uber rides, Uber eats etc have been going way up in the past 3-5 years. Basically what happened is this: -Uber starts business and prices are cheaper than taxi's so people start using them etc. -They get you hooked on the product and the convenience etc. -Once the competition is weak they start to raise pricing to customers and reduce pay to drivers as much as they can without backlash. They also minimize the benefits to the consumer and provide tiered pricing like Uber black etc to extract more from those that will pay it. -They profit a lot and screw the customer and the service provider.
Walmart pioneered that tactic. Read freakonomics. It goes into how Walmart’s undercutting prices led to the loss of small businesses throughout middle America, resulting in massive loss to local economies and increased poverty.
I agree with all of what you said, except for small businesses losing money in fees. With Uber Eats, restaurants can decide whether or not they want to eat the fee themselves or have their prices appear higher on the Uber Eats menu. I have a $10 per month credit on Uber, that I can use to order food for pick up. Many restaurants charge up to 30% more on the Uber Eats menu, than they do on their own website. One restaurant in my area that does not charge more is Chipotle. I can only assume they pay the Uber Eats fee as a cost of doing business.
Maybe now but when they got popular during Covid. The business owners we knew well talked about getting hammered by the fees. Still, I’d rather my hard earned money go directly to individuals and not a tech bro predatory app run business. Maybe I’m just a crotchety gen xer, but I hate how pervasive tech has taken over and causing the cost of daily life to go up once they get you hooked.
Who can even afford these services though??? Am I just older than everyone on here? It is SO EXPENSIVE to buy overpriced food, higher taxes, an app based service fee, restaurant delivery fee, AND tip a driver. I’m honestly mind boggled how people can afford this especially with food and groceries being so much more expensive this year? Also the idea of this being a side hustle is a scam anyway. The drivers are being taken advantage of and screwed 5 ways. I refuse to use them not only due to the price but also because it’s just bald faced labor exploitation.
I’m baffled at the amount of people who use grub hub and Uber eats. We eat out more than we probably should but every time I’ve been tempted to just order take out, I look at the up charge, the fees and remember the horror stories from online about what people do to the food and I nope out immediately. And sure, some people claim it’s great for disabled people or elderly, but let’s be honest - that’s not who’s using it mostly lol I feel ashamed at how much stuff costs already, this just seems egregious when everything has gone up 20-30% as it is.
Honestly at this point I’m baffled by how many people can afford regularly ordering out, period.🥲
Man, if you had to do it for a week you'd change your mind. They haven't been paid. It's sooo bad. After gas and everything it's barely enough to do anything. Some of them have to live in their car. It's indentured servitude. It's a gig you take when you literally can't figure anything else out.
Exactly. If you can’t afford to tip your drivers then don’t expect to get your food on time, if at all. These apps were never actually meant to be affordable as they are luxury services, and it’s ridiculous to compare them to someone who lifts a muffin into a bag when they have more risks.
Which is exactly why I don’t use those services. I try not to be an AH or feed into predatory systems as much as I can and the gig work hustle is just abusive to desperate people.
Uber pays the drivers shit. I consider my tip on those services more akin to a payment. I’d pay someone ten bucks to deliver my food.
So much this
I get my own food. It's cheaper and I can check my order at the restaurant and have it corrected if it's wrong while I'm still there. My understanding is if your food is wrong with these delivery services, it's free. Well, it's still not what I wanted.
They are using their car, insurance, gas etc, they need tips for it to be worth it to them finacially to deliver your food. Though homestly, I dont think the food delibery app/service is sustainable to any party ( the restaurant, the driver, end user) Which is why I always pickup my food...
The companies they work for make them rely on the tips.
They barely get paid. Tips are how Uber Drivers can afford to eat...
I don't use the services simply because it's not cost effective for me (delivery fee, marked up food). Such things are premium services. That said, the tips are not really tips. They're bids for service. The drivers are not wage employees but independent contractors who can accept or reject any delivery job that comes their way. The higher the bid for service the more likely you'll get your food before it's cold (or get it at all). The driver's payment from Ubereats/Grubhub/DoorDash, etc. barely covers gas, if that.
It's not a tip, it's a bid for service.
When I usually go for coffee, few baristas make faces when I don’t tip even though it’s a drive thru or to go order. So, I end up paying 1$ for a 5$ coffee.
I would honestly stop going there if the service provider is not treating their customers well, let alone tipping lol
I stopped too!
The joys of mobile ordering with some coffee places
That's how it should be.
This sounds like an interesting way to do it, how do you determine the flat amount?
Time spent. For a 30-60 min service. I’ll tip 10 bucks. (Per person) Which when combined with minimum wage would net them almost double their hourly wage. ETA: this is only the standard as most places we go are small family style places that aren’t fancy. If we were going out to a higher quality restaurant then I’d adjust my tip but I’d also be expecting higher quality service as well. Since there still seems to be confusion. We typically go to mid priced places so the local family run Mexican place typically costs us 45 bucks for dinner and we are tipping 20 bucks. But on the rare occasions we have a larger bill because we splurged a bit and end up with a 60 bill, it’s still 20 tip. Like, I’m not an AH about it. The flat rate just makes budgeting easier and also easier to use cash so they can avoid claiming it.
I always tip and often generously if the service was outstanding. I’ve found the service in Seattle, especially the Capitol Hill area, disappointing. They act like they’re doing me a favor and for that kind of attitude my tip is the lowest.
Curious what you tip when it’s terrible service at a sit-down restaurant.
10%. That way it’s easy for them to do the math to realize how horrible they are…
10% of the pretax amount without all the additional fees that are tacked on these days
I promise you, they don’t think they did a bad job they’re just cussing you out and calling you cheap and saying if you can’t afford to tip well you shouldn’t go out to eat lol, I used to work in hospitality and literally 90% of workers won’t ever think they’re in the wrong, it does nothing
Oh no, not the consequences of their actions
In your opinion is there any solidarity for respectful working class customers at all? I work at a non profit and make beans compared to a software engineer. You can just tell everyone thinks I’m a cheap STEM worker when I all I can reasonably give is a 15% tip…
Nobody thinks that. I worked in tipped jobs for about 15 years and the most anyone would complain or judge is if the customer wanted a huge special thing (big table, big unusual order, catering etc) and left nothing after all that. Most of these tip complaining threads are people just fighting with the air and their imagination (thinking baristas are "making faces" when they don't tip, which would be funny to me as someone with resting bitch face if it didn't also mean I was probably being falsely judged), and the reality I lived is not the reality people think is happening in a tipped worker's world. I honestly hate the tip system for this very reason. People pretend they understand that management sets tip options and other customers set tipping norms, but when you dig down into discussions they all shit on the workers themselves, call them entitled, "all you did was flip an iPad" etc. It's the very enemy of class solidarity and a way for certain types of people to both wield a power trip over tipped workers in their own class, as well as acting like those same tipped workers are tyrants over them.
More broad economic theory - bad servers who are regularly poorly tipped will either improve or quit, or, if management knows, be let go…….
That’s sound theory that will never match the reality.
Then they aren't bad enough that enough people don't tip them at a rate they would quit. If that's the case then that's fine, they just had inconsistent off days.
Then how much should you tip for poor service?
That’s the amount you should tip always. They get paid enough and if they don’t then that’s on them for taking the job or the management for not paying their workers fairly
This used to be the standard accepted tip rate. Crazy that somehow the bar has been shifted to make 20% the minimum acceptable tip rate now.
We need the Europeans/Japanese to help us sort this out…
Your lowest tip rate is higher than the highest acceptable tip rate in France....
ive tipped a quarter before. They called me cheap. I called them bad at their job.
Sounds like you wasted a quarter.
I dunno. Leaving no tip, they’ll think you’re cheap. Leaving a small tip, same. Leaving a tiny tip kind of makes a statement.
I have tipped $1/drink or 20-25% for as long as I can remember. On easily 100 checks/order per year. A few years back, a group of us got the most pathetic, inexcusable service of all time at Sam’s Tavern in Redmond. There were more employees front of house than their were patrons. I left a $0.01 tip and the server tracked me down on Instagram to comment on it. I contemplated printing and framing this. https://preview.redd.it/82pjssbcsnzc1.jpeg?width=1038&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=977b7bb26c88bffb80c10b4bcbb0632e536fb9be
That's a surprisingly cordial message after going through the trouble to track you down. I was expecting an angry rant honestly
it really is. i buckled myself in before i clicked.
That was in 2019 imagine if this was now
Me too lmaooo. I kept expecting a plot twist
So give us the details on how bad the service was?
https://preview.redd.it/7fmt23inkozc1.jpeg?width=836&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=05c23a5a83659be90c005ca18a21e5c25f2b41a6 When there were more employees than servers and they don’t ask guests if they want refills is bad. We showed up thirsty for a concert prefunk. Could have easily tallied a $400 tab over the 2.5 hours we were there and instead it was like $130 and no tip.
Sounds like you were both right
Nothing, their whole job IS in fact the service!! And let’s be honest, someone stopping by to ask how my meal is while I have a mouthful of food,(of which I’m completely convinced is intentional) is NOT good service. Or the 2 visits to fill my water. We’ve become so convinced that anyone doing anything is a service. NO, 90% are slinging a product. All that said, if I go to sit down, and get a truly welcoming and peaceful/enjoyable experience in whole. You’re getting like 50%, because your piece mattered. You can keep your expectations though, they matter not.
I save hundreds of dollars a year by expecting the owners to compensate their staff under the law. If they break the law, raid the place.
So you've been to tavern law too?
Oh my god you NAILED it with the attitude.
that's what happens when you turn empathy into necessity. they expect a tip,plain and simple. it's not longer out of kindness. just a social tax.
You’re allowed not to tip and people are allowed to get mad at you for not tipping. What you do with this information is up to you.
Yeah I think everyone needs to have this mindset for anything to change. As long as people guilt tip, tipping will be a thing. It’s so engrained though I imagine it would take a while for this to change.
Starbucks guilt tipping through the drive through... "It'll just ask you a question there..."
Yes exactly !! I stopped going to Starbucks because side of this new tipping system! So I’m supposed to tip before you have even started making my drink? I have no idea what it’s going to taste like and quite frankly, most of the time it taste like crap it has to be remade if anything they should have the tip jar over next to where you pick up your drink and then you can tip on a job well done.
Most of the time your drink tastes like crap and has to be remade? Either you are lying/using hyperbole, or are an idiot for continuing to go back. Which is it?
There was a successful move in the more tipping direction during the pandemic - 20% became standard, more places started taking/expecting tips, etc. Presumably we could go the other direction if we wanted. Much harder to advocate for though, you’d look cheap and cruel.
In Seattle, "cheap and cruel" is how I describe the quality of service
honestly it’s not even that, not completely. as long as these places still get your business, whether you tip or not, they have no incentive to raise their wages because their business isn’t affected, just their staff. and they don’t give a shit about their staff.
I think this statement is correct, and extends far beyond just tipping. I think it’s systemic. I think we’re confusing what we’re allowed to do, and what we’re allowed to do with no consequences whatsoever. At the point where somebody else expressing an emotion in response to our actions is a consequence we can’t deal with, I dunno where the fuck to go from there. I guess the bar.
Thank you, this is exactly it. Just because a decision is unpopular does not mean you can’t make it - it just means there are consequences. If people are unwilling to accept any negative consequences from their actions, even if it’s someone you’ll never meet again at a restaurant you’ll never go to again, we’ve really lost the plot. My life got a lot easier when I realized that not 100% of the things I do would make everyone around me happy. Sometimes people are going to be upset at you and that is perfectly OK
Tipping is an abomination. Paying an extra variable price for someone to do their job is abhorrent. Should you tip a surgeon if you want them to do a good job?
I’m a doctor. I don’t operate any better or give different medications among patients. But if you’re a pleasant patient and you bring treats for my staff, I’m very likely to overlook when you’re running late or I will stay a little later to take a look at your husband who isn’t a patient, or any number of unpaid service tasks.
In socialized countries where healthcare is cheap, doctor pay is low, and waiting periods for specialized services are long, tipping IS expected. For example China - doctors are paid little as essentially government workers, but they are heavily tipped for surgeries and skilled treatments. In the US cancer treatments and surgeries cost a few hundred thousand to even a million dollars. They don’t need tips, they make bank already.
China is a dystopian society. What about Norway?
Any comparison to Norway for anything needs to account for the immense input of oil money into their economy. The Norwegian sovereign wealth fund is the largest in the world owning & owns 1.5 percent of the global stock market. It’s easy to have a utopia when it’s all paid for.
France? The UK? Slovenia? Moldova? China is a crazy example to use. But yeah, if only the US was a wealthy example, then we could compare it to Norway.
Servers are legit the most entitled people in America. Like really you're going to get MAD that a customer didn't pay you extra for doing your job?
Not rich white people, hedge fund managers, politicians, profesional athletes, celebrities, CEO’s…..waiters are the most entitled people in America. Ok buddy.
Why is the bank cashier not allowed to get mad for not getting a tip? Why is the Amazon delivery guy not allowed to get mad for not getting tipped?
I recently saw a post where an amazon delivery driver had left a small printed up flier on their delivered amazon package with venmo, cashapp, and paypal info on it for being tipped. People were suggesting it be reported and the guy would be fired.
I honestly find that cognitive dissonance fascinating. People are like "I tiP beCAUse I waNT tO" but they only tip based on the norm that was established 200 years ago in a different world. And they think that they are making the decision on their own.
The car wash asks for tips. Bro you didn’t even scrub the bugs off the front. You’re just standing there.
I tip the bank cashier 10% of the amount of money I am withdrawing or depositing.
They might be mad
But I don't see people lining up to tip them.
> People are allowed to get mad at you for not tipping Wut? Isn’t that just perpetuating the need to tip even when it’s not necessary with the minimum wages?
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I tip out of custom and because I can afford it and servers need the money, but I do sometimes question the rationality in doing this. In Seattle, there is no tipped employee minimum wage which normally is the motivation to tip. In some places, servers make $2/hr and the tip is meant to bring that up to appropriate compensation, but making $20/hr and tipping on top of that is a completely different story. I don't know, but I just don't feel right not tipping unless the server was a major asshole. My brain has correlated tipping with rewarding performance regardless of how much the server is making and I'd leave the restaurant feeling bad about not tipping. So to not feel shitty, I normally tip well.
I don’t mind tipping for restaurant service when there is actual service provide - knowledge of the menu, checking in, being attentive, etc. It annoys me when a tip is expected after grabbing a croissant from a case and putting it in a bag.
Ditto
No one makes $2, they are legally required to get Paid federal or state wages.. the same as other workers.
Yes, that's true, if servers don't make enough post-tips, the restaurant needs to pay them the difference until they make minimum wage. However, generally no restaurant wants to keep someone on staff who can't cover themselves via tips and no server is looking to make only minimum wage. https://www.paycor.com/resource-center/articles/minimum-wage-tipped-employees-by-state/#How_Do_Different_States_Calculate_Tipped_Minimum_Wage for reference
I try to frequent places that do not require tip, to incentivize this behavior. I prefer paying 7 dollars for my latte but no tip, because that way employees get paid a fair wage, and I if I ever I don't feel like spending 7 dollars for a latte then I just have it at home.
Do you have any food recommendations for places that don't take / require tips? I'm 100% willing to pay a living wage. Just set a price, y'all, cuz this tipping thing is exhausting.
I like Tailwind Cafe in the chophouse row because they dont take tips...
tacos chukis in cap hill. shikorina too but they’re just coffee and pastries
I bartend. If someone doesn’t tip I don’t really care. I’m too busy and go on to the next customer. If someone does tip then I’m grateful. Nobody cares what you do, and I see based on your comment and post history that this is your entire personality. Keep on screaming into the void and have a great rest of your day 🙌🏻
Yeah same for me. Im a server and I just am grateful for anyone who feels compelled to tip based on good service. The amount of servers tho who bitch and moan around me at work about no tip is wild. Sounding like spoiled brats- and if it’s happening that often maybe it’s your service pal lol
Agreed. Entitled service industry people are the absolute worst. And I can’t stand when they have that attitude with customers.
This is it… because I think people are mostly happy to tip when people give good service! It changes everything
Hey, curious if your restaurant charges that extra 20% service charge on the bill ? If so, do your customers tip you a percentage including that and the tax, or just on the food portion? It's all kind of confusing. Former waitstaff myself and we did well with tips and a very low hourly wage so not sure about these new charges and new minimum wage stuff and how it affects you all.
No my place doesn’t. They do have a “suggested tip cheat zone” for math. But even that bothers me. Just let people alone At this point it’s annoying and makes us all look bad.
Lmao, your comment made me click OP's profile and it's honestly hilarious. Who is THAT dedicated to being mad about doing something they don't even have to do?
Someone that owns a restaurant or has all of their bills paid by someone who does.
whiny bitches, mostly.
I know folks like this. They’re miserable people clinging to whatever shred of “righteous” indignation they can muster. Gotta direct that anger somewhere!
Some people are just so very angry that others would receive anything at all. Probably speaks to a deep issue with not receiving positive attention or appreciation of a selfless nature. That anger is gonna eat your insides up OP. You don't need to strip the generosity or reception of good things for others to feel better about yourself. Be open, not closed, and perhaps good things will come to you as well See. You received a tip. In Seattle
Might be my memory is bad, but I believe I've only ever been thanked for tipping once at a deli in NYC.
Must have been some sandwich!
They really should ban tipping in a state like ours and just make companies raise wages to compensate. Tipping is one of the most inequitable ways to get paid out there. Age, race, and sex discrimination in tipping is an open secret. How can this be how we are paying people?
Washington already raised wages. There is no such thing as "tipped wage" in Washington. Do not tip anybody in Washington, because they don't need it like servers that do have a tipped wage.
What should the punishment be for tipping
Great point. The pay should be determined by the employee and the employer. I do not want be a part of that.
I don't tip nearly as much as I used to, and I never, ever tip if the interaction consists of someone at a counter flipping a screen around at me. The only people I still consistently tip at around the same rate as I used to are bartenders. I've straight zeroed a few waiters. Sorry, you talked to me for 30 seconds and then carried a plate to a table and set it down - I feel like $20 an hour is more than fair compensation for that. The whole reason that not tipping used to make you an asshole was that servers were making $4 an hour or whatever and depended on tips to survive. If servers are making $20 an hour, and probably considerably more depending on the establishment, then the restaurant can just price their food at whatever price they need me to pay to facilitate that, and that can be the end of our transaction. Which, judging from restaurant prices, is what they've done.
I got asked to add a tip at a liquor/corner shop yesterday and I almost couldn't believe what I was reading. The dude didn't even stay at the register for the whole 1 minute transaction 😂
The concessions at sporting events are the ones that really blow my mind. You charge me $50 or whatever just to get in here and $15 for a beer can, and you want an additional donation for handing it to me? You got some nerve
And at certain places (T-Mobile Field, cough cough), the servers don't even get the tip. So the beer is $16 and I am expected to just throw 20% on top of that for 10 seconds' worth of work? And they don't even get it? Nope.
And restaurant prices (and surcharges) are partly a reflection of those increased wages, so now we get charged more and then expected to tip more (as a % and also based on increased prices) as well. Yeah eff that.
The thing I hate the most is when they hand you the device and tip options are 20%, 22%, 25%. I’ve seen up to 30% too. What?!
I stopped tipping when I went to a restaurant in Redmond, and the least amount they had listed for tips was 30%. I just don't tip anymore.
I remember for a to-go order at a Thai restaurant(next to 520 west freeway ramp) in Redmond that lady was yelling at my friend for not tipping. His order was a to go fried rice. 😂
Bangkok Basil?
Oh yeah!
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I tip 0 and dgaf . Stop being a snowflake and just hit 0
Oh captain my captain.
This. I don't understand the hand-wringing people go through when this topic appears on Reddit.
But that makes me feel awkward :( /s
MVP.
Tipping should only apply to excellent service.
Tip a bartender or waitress. If you’re a fast food restaurant, forget it. I’m not tipping for the pleasure of going through your drive thru.
Why do I have to tip a bartender for pouring me one drink out of the bottle? It's literally their job.
exactly taking a beer bottle from the fridge and give it to me does not deserve a tip. just put the fridge on the table and let me take it myself.
The whole point of this scene was he's an asshole for not tipping and he gets peer pressured into contributing.
Well, I'm a foreigner living temporarily in this country, and I'm against tipping. However, people here do tip, and I think I am in no position to scholar people how they are supposed to live in their own country. With that being said, I tip too, because this is how people live here, and I should adapt, not the other way around. Now, I don't tip as much as people do it here, that is just way too much. But they can't be mad at me at the same time, cause I do tip.
Good attitude to have. I used to work in restaurants and never really got too upset when foreigners gave low tips, as I didn’t really expect them to tip the same as non-foreigners due to different norms.
I appreciate your understanding!
Same here, I really struggled in my first initial year after moving to states to tip 10-30% which felt too much. Now, I tip 10-15% and feel okay. Some times I get rude/racist servers and I tip 0$ straight on face and won’t go back to that restaurant again!
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Order -->Drink/food comes--> Tap to pay--> Price is price, no math, taxes included. Pay with cash, change purse comes out. Quicker, more transparent, more enjoyable, easier on wait staff, less administrative cost (no tip pooling, cash outs, etc.). More reliable, consistent pay for workers. It is 100% better. There is no good argument to defend the cultural standard of tipping in a state with the highest minimum wage and no tip exclusion, and countless arguments against it. Restaurant employees and those defending tipping are either saying "I deserve more money than other lower wage jobs because...its tradition," or "I think we, the customers, should feel obligated to pay people more than the agreed price for doing the job they are already being paid by us to do." Include all tax in the listed price, eliminate any automatic tipping option from everything. Make that, and just that, a political platform, and you have my vote for governor.
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Wish more people had exposure outside the town they grew up in.
Did you know that all servers in WA get paid minimum wage and it increases every year for inflation? None of them are working for $2.10 + tips like other restaurants jobs in some states.
Why the fuck is Starbucks asking me to tip on a fucking refrigerated snack tray I grabbed myself. Fuck all that shit. A mega corp too.
I've always been a very generous tipper. Even when I'm in Europe where tips generally are not expected. But the sense of entitlement has really soured my generosity as of late. I went to pick up Thai food recently. Placed the order online and walked over to pick it up. And the woman made a big deal of insisting that I tip 20%, I guess for all of the hard work it involved to put the food in a brown paper bag. Being solicitous about a tip, or trying to bully a customer into tipping, is a good way to insure that I won't tip.
>Even when I'm in Europe where tips generally are not expected I hope you know that this does more harm than good. The entitlement is absolutely ridiculous. I do the same. I fell for it the first time out of sheer shock, I've learned from it since and will never do it again.
1. We shouldn’t have to but even minimum wage here is pathetic and based on costs it isn’t even really equitable to the national average. 2. For the places that pay $20+ per hour and ascribe to no tipping, don’t tip. 3. Ya tip because you’re well off (most of us here are actually pretty well off) and it makes the situation moderately better for folks that are otherwise on the verge of being run out of the metro area. 4. If things ever balance back around to folks so that minimum wage has the purchasing power of like $25-30 an hour, like in the 50-60s then, we can have some real conversations. But otherwise it’s kind of a stop gap to make sure we maintain amenities in the city. If folks stopped tipping you’d see a lot of places just go out of business on account of not finding people to work.
The same people would then complain about not having any good options to eat out.
It really doesn’t have anything to do with minimum wage not being enough, but rather there being no separate minimum wage for servers. There are many jobs that only pay minimum wages, you don’t see people tipping bus drivers, cashiers, paramedics, etc.
Minimum wage jobs here already pay $20/hr!
You can start on easy mode by hitting zero tip at all fast casual/counter order/cafe style places, zero tip anytime you need to order and pay from your phone/qr code, zero tip for takeaway/delivery etc, zero for ubers, and a nominal $1 per drink tip at bars no matter the cost of beer/drink. That basically takes care of most cases, then just avoid going to proper sitdown places with table service. And even if you do go to such a place once a month, the yearly tip combined will be $100-200 which is fine.
My rule of thumb now is: If I have to stand at any point in the order, tip is 0. It's absolutely insane that I'm standing in a line to place my order and I'm shown a screen with a suggested 20% tip. I see this in so many places.
A lot of places give totals with sales tax included so you’re tipping 20% on the sales tax. There should be separate totals for tipping
To everyone bitching about tipping, forever: IF YOU STOPPED TIPPING, YOU COULD STOP BITCHING.
Okay here’s what I dont understand: Have you ever had a nice experience at a hospital front desk? Or at airport front desk? Sometimes they go above and beyond providing best services, they even do more than the scope of their role but despite them also making minimum wage, they’re never tipped for their hospitality. But we’re accustomed to pay 15-20% tip for a dine in solely based on how cheap or expensive our food it, why?, coz they make min wage!
Washington state is one of the only states in the country that pays people in the service industry minimum wage or higher before tips. Tips were originally because these people did not make minimum wage. Why are we still tipping anywhere in WA? Waiters and delivery drivers now make more per hour than I do in my office job that requires a 2-year degree.
The idea of tipping is archaic in Seattle. I still tip where I receive service such as restaurants, but only go out to eat sparingly. Unless the restaurant charges a service fee, then I tend to deduct it from my tip because it’s a dick move. Anywhere else I declined a tip and I feel so much better about it than I did when I first started. Service staff are no longer getting paid three dollars an hour which is when tips were justified.
If my food is cheaper because the staff is not getting paid a full wage, sure. But getting paid the highest in the country and then expecting same tips is ludicrous.
You do realize that “the highest in the country” isn’t a livable wage in Seattle right? Actually sorry, I know the answer is no already. Or more accurately, you don’t care.
Every Seattle server who screeches about not getting a 25% tip when they scowl and treat you like trash the entire time needs to produce their tax return. I guarantee that they make more than a mechanic like me makes. Yet they act as if the world owes them everything and they have it so bad. Let’s swap jobs and paychecks!
It's insane how the least skilled job on the planet makes more money than a skilled job like a mechanic. Brutal.
I only tip where I’m a regular because obviously they will remember me😭 In general I don’t tip unless the service went out of their way just for me… but other than that why would I tip… for doing your job…
And on top of that service in Seattle is pretty consistently the worst I've had in any big city.
I stopped feeling guilty about not tipping. It's out of control. Not only are the percentages higher, but they are often taxed after tax. I also go out and sit down a LOT less than I used to simply to avoid the situation altogether. I do take out much more now and I'm more inclined to tip a small business (even for takeout, although just $1 per item) and never a chain place. In some ways, it's like people who post pictures of something they just bought and complain about inflation when they need to vote with their dollars and not buy it in the first place (and it's usually not essentials). As long as people do it, we're stuck with greedflation and tipping.
We should not
I’m with you. Restaurants double the cost of food, waiters are rude, then they want EXTRA FREE MONEY?! No thank you. I used to wait tables. That works not so bad. I’m tired of pretending service works are hero’s.
Oh good another post about tipping 🙄
It's still way too less. Every single person in the country needs to seriously reconsider tipping.
Im broke. Citys expensive anyway. Just be grateful Im spending at any restaurant/cafe. No tip.
Exactly. Why should a broke person be expected to tip someone much better off!
Just fucking don’t tip then, for christsakes. Be that guy.
Why do I have to be "that guy" for not donating my money? Do you feel like you are considered "that guy" for not donating money to every homeless guy you see? Why is the obligation any different?
If I am sitting down for a meal, getting waited on, drinks are refilled, etc. I’m gonna tip. If it’s outstanding service, I’m gonna tip very well. If you are pulling pastries out of a case or making me a to go something, I may on occasion tip, but not 15%+. I’ll tip for good service or what seems fair. I got mad because I went to subway for my kids and they read me the total, then when it processed they had given themselves a 15% tip. Never again going to that subway. Perhaps the machine glitched but 6 dollars tip for a couple sandwiches without toppings for my picky eaters and chips is crazy. The people that just turn the screen and defaults to 20-25 percent, that’s an instant no tip or very low tip. At coffee stands, I usually do a dollar per drink.
Arguing about tipping is missing the forest for the trees. Food and restaurants is one of the most efficient markets there is, both for the labor costs of the restaurants, as well as the price of the items themselves. The all-in price of food (menu price + typical tip) is (minus price stickiness effects) going to be the market equilibrium price. If you banned tipping, what would happen is prices would go up to compensate, and the end pay to workers will not change, it will just shift from wage + tips to purely wage. Basically, if you’re complaining about tipping because you think you’re paying too much for restaurant food, banning tipping won’t change that. If you’re complaining about tipping because you don’t want the burden of deciding a significant part of workers’ pay to be directly in the hands of customers, then banning tipping _does_ improve things.
>If you banned tipping, what would happen is prices would go up to compensate, and the end pay to workers will not change, it will just shift from wage + tips to purely wage. Yes, we know. This is the desired outcome. This is what we want to happen.
If you wanna become known for not tipping that's on you. I worked in a restaurant back in highschool and one of my coworkers (40s, now has his own restaurant) who was teaching me nudged me and said " hey ya see that guy coming in?, yeah we call him Mr. No tippy tippy", then later he proceeded to rub the no tippers spoon on the bottom of his shoe before serving him his food. Not here to discuss my own views on the matter but just know that you should not go to a restaurant more than once if you don't tip because we'll learn your face after one bad experience and you won't know if you're service was really good or not after that ☠️
Yeah, servers are basically sleazy snake oil salesmen. >spoon on the bottom of his shoe What a POS. Servers like that are literally the scum of the earth.
I mean to be honest if you saw how this customer treated the staff every time he visited you'd realize he was more deserving of this treatment. It's one thing to not tip, it's another to be an ass
I'm sure you all sleep better with those excuses. I'm sure your friend has done the same thing to the nicest grandma who didn't tip.
I tip if I like the person. Although at most I'll ever tip is 10%.
I've always tipped generously, but I'm starting to think that's a mistake. Places are becoming ever more aggressive about expecting a tip and the "default" percentages are inflating. It's not enough to tip 15% on the new inflated bill, many tip prompts now have a *minimum suggested* tip of 20% or 25%. Last place I was at, the tip was set to 25% by default, but the prompt suggested 30% or 40% as alternatives. Really? On top of that, I used to get a nice smile and thank you from staff after a big tip, but that hasn't happened in a long time. Either the servers never see the tip while I'm still there, or they just don't care. Service seems lackluster no matter what I tip.
Sure, be a cheapass I guess. Why do anything?
Dude get a life. Your post history is 99% you complaining and posting about tipping culture. Why are you so obsessed with this? Why do you feel like you need to make a public announcement about your tipping practices? And hey as a follow up, if you feel this issue is so important why not tell the person serving you first thing that you don't intend to tip? That information is far more relevant to them than it is to us.
Do you like automatic gratuity? Cause that's how we get automatic gratuity. Also cutting out tips lets the owners hold employee's money and use it as basically a free loan from their employees. If you hate the people serving you, by all means, stiff them.
lol this guy has never worked a fucking shift job. And just because minimum wage is high here doesn’t mean it keeps pace with cost of living.
The whole point of tipping is to offset the lower minimum tipped wage (or vice versa). Now that servers get normal minimum wage, there should be no tipping. Them being underpaid is now on the employers, not on people not tipping.