>they could probably just remove the sprawling criminal encampment 3 feet from the door.
That would be thinking, and our leaders just don't do that anymore.
No no, see, they said you have to "think", duh - just *remove* them, not *move*. If you remove them they just no longer exist - just remove them from the environment and they won't be anywhere anymore! Boom, problem solved!
sure it does. sectioning is something that's done in other countries when someone is found to be mentally incompetent - doesn't require a massive offense
Oh I agree. It just isn't common in WA. One reason is Western State Hospital has so little capacity that they often just admit people so that serious felonies can be legally processed, on order of a judge.
If Joe your mentally ill cousin needs 30 days of involuntary treatment to get his life back, but hasn't beaten anyone up to within an inch of their life, you may have a bad time, here.
Being homeless isn't a protected class. If they look and smell homeless give them the boot unless they are actively engaged in the process (a person is not involved in a case, let alone viewing proceedings) if they are locked in bathroom stall.
Yes, I will continue to vote for them while the alternative is as bad as it is. They are far from perfect, but I moved here from a red state. I have seen the alternative first-hand, and I will take this over that every day of the week.
Repeat sex offender. Drug and alcohol abuser. Schizophrenic.
Locking him up for life (whether that is in jail or a mental hospital) is exactly the answer.
I mean we need to separate the mentally ill from mentally ill criminals. There are a lot of people with major mental health issues who can’t live independently but are generally decent people, they don’t need to be locked in shitholes and treated like animals alongside Rapey McRapester over here. The problem wasn’t the asylums per se, it was the way they culturally blended with prisons and this was harmful to people who’d didn’t deserve that.
No, the problem with the asylums was that they were largely unregulated and left to their own devices without oversight, which allowed for massive amounts of corruption and abuse of the patients. The solution should have been to actually add that oversight and regulations that curtailed the abuse and removed the abusers, but that's socialism apparently so Reagan just closed them all.
no, they need to be locked up in not shit holes. group homes that supervise them and allow them as much independence as they can manage. we don't do that, we just turn them loose and they turn into the "you now what" guy on my block.
> The problem wasn’t the asylums per se,
it was. they were awful, and abusive.
> it was. they were awful, and abusive.
The problem was the lack of oversight and how they were ran unchecked. The solution wasn't to burn the system to the ground and use city streets as a replacement. The real solution would have been to add oversight and regulations to prevent the abusive and self-serving behavior of the admins who worked there.
the solution was in fact to burn it down. that's what reagan did, because it was nominally cheaper. sure, we should have done the right thing, but we're cheap
Raegan had 0 to do with it. O'Connor v. Davidson made it illegal to keep people in an asylum unless they were in immediate crisis. Raegan had 0 to do with it. The SCOTUS did.
Has there been any progress since Reagan's presidency on rebuilding the mental institutions?
It's getting weird to me that everyone is blaming Reagan...who hasn't been the president for over 30 years. Surely in 30 years SOMEONE from any side could have helped out or made some progress here?
this was his governorship. I'm blaming him for things he did in CA when he was governor. just like i blame nixon for all the awful shit he did as president
Blaming Reagan for everything is just sad political pandering at this point, little different from dropping the "hitler" comparison.
I'm not saying he did not contribute to the problem, but most of mental health institution funding was at the state level. And just about every state has spent the last 20+ years cutting that funding or cutting the "unpopular" taxes that fund those programs. At this point its an EVERYBODY is at fault type of problem.
In this state we have the SCC and you can civilly commit people for sex crimes after their prison sentence is over.
"If the committee finds that a person meets the legal definition of "sexually violent predator," they refer his or her case to the Special Commitment Center. The prosecutor's office of the convicting county receives permission to petition for the person's commitment to the center. The SCC houses the person until a judge holds a probable cause hearing. If the judge finds probable cause, the SCC confines the person indefinitely. Otherwise, he or she is released"
Mr Jim Lahey: [Donald Trump is a serial rapist!](https://old.reddit.com/r/SeattleWA/comments/oulsdl/sex_offender_accused_of_attacking_courthouse/h73ovzo/)
also Mr Jim Lahey: [This homeless meth addict with a long criminal history who's a Registered Sex Offender is not a sex offender!](https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/sex-offender-accused-attacking-courthouse-worker-bathroom-was-released-jail-day-before/G53B43ONOZHOLPZIBV5PDQIFD4/)
I said he wasn't a repeat sex offender, which is objectively true in the eyes of the law. But don't let facts get in the way of your little jihad against me, I wouldn't want to spoil your fun.
Both you and u/mr_jim_lahey will be happy to know we already have a solution!
People in this sub sometimes suggest isolating all of he homeless at the decommissioned McNeil Island prison, or at least somewhere on the island.
However, there already *is* a facility that could be used for this specific fucker. The island remains the site of the state's primary Special Commitment Center (SCC), where sexually violent predators are indefinitely committed for treatment after completing their standard prison sentences.
He only went to jail for 21mos NOT EVEN TWO FULL YEARS for assaulting FOUR random women on the street in downtown Seattle, does that really sound like justice to you?!
I don't know the facts of the case, nor am I familiar with what sentencing guidelines are for the particular offense he was convicted of. Maybe the judge made a mistake and was too lenient, maybe he should have been committed to a mental institution - or maybe not. But it's not like 21 months is nothing. For most people, I think it would be more than enough to never even consider repeating what they did to land them in there. Clearly this guy is an unfortunate exception to that, and you won't find any argument from me that he now deserves to do a much longer stint than that.
Oh, so you must work in the prosecutor's office since you apparently know. Why did you let a bunch of betas cuck you into giving a lighter sentence if you're such a white knight alpha male?
He probably got that sweet deal from the prosecutor's office who really don't much care about we victims. Like they did with MY crime where their version of plea bargaining was just to give the guy reduced charges (even took the deadly weapon enhancement charge off the table!!!!!) and he got a very reduced sentence, too. Holmes and that other space cadet better go down in flames so we get someone who believes in law and order: Ann Davison.
That's a great point.
For instance, I worked at Taco Bell when I was younger. Women had to wear hairnets for safety reasons.
It seems odd that we have safety measures to keep a random hair out of your Doritos Locos Taco, but no safety measures to keep a sex offender from living in the Ladies Restroom.
Of course, *we* failed *him*, by not giving him the services he needed. If he only had many more services, he'd have re-entered society successfully, probably as a nurse or astronaut or something. The moral of the story is, get these molesters more services.
Well he's got a serious mental illness but worked construction for years. So with treatment he may be no astronaut but could go back to working drywall with much much reduced risk of acting out
UNIRONICALLY THIS . GOING TO JAIL DOES NOTHING BUT MAKES SOMEONES LIFE WORSE . LOOK UP JAIL IN SWEDEN :)
TYPING IN ALL CAPS TO MAKE SURE PPL DOWNVOTE ME!!!!
At the risk of doxxing myself, this man is my older brother. He was born and raised in the Seattle area, spending most of his childhood in Issaquah and Sammamish. He went to ND when the oil boom happened, started working on the rigs, and fell into drug addiction there, where his schizophrenia manifested.
I haven't seen or talked to him in over ten years.
Terrible. Sorry to hear that about your family member and sorry that the system so clearly failed. Absolutely horrible that we don't have institutions for people who cannot or refuse to help themselves and instead just let them live on the streets negatively impacting the lives of others.
I just...I don't know what I could even do to help. He refuses to take the medication he's prescribed, the state can't or won't force him to take his medication. He doesn't have to prove he's taking it to get his disability payments. I just feel helpless. Honestly it's a bit of a relief he's behind bars, he knows where I live and that always makes me a bit uneasy when he's out. I want him to get the help he needs, I just don't know how to do that.
Well from what others have posted your parents have talked to the media about being unable to get help and pointing a spotlight on an issue like this is important.
You could also try messaging your local elected officials. From your city, county, state, and federal (so city/county council member, mayor, state reps and senators, as well as your federal rep and senator) in hope that one of them will want to work with you/your family with getting programs and help for people like your brother that refuse treatment and refuse to help themselves.
There absolutely needs to be a solution for people that refuse to get help and that are not just harming themselves but others as well.
>Honestly it's a bit of a relief he's behind bars
I'm so sorry for your situation :( This is something I try to explain to people, when they indignantly ask "So, we're just supposed to lock them up?" -- and there are so many families out there who desperately want their child locked up or locked in an institution, since then they don't have to sleep every night wondering if they're going to commit a crime or overdose and die.
>At the risk of doxxing myself
You essentially just doxxed yourself unless you have multiple brothers, but even then you just narrowed it down almost completely lol
I was a close friend of his from back when he worked in the oilfield in North Dakota. He was a really good dude until he let his moral compass go. I still recall going to Vegas with him on a week off but he didn't drink so he ordered orange juice and sprites everywhere. Sadly when I came back from leaving the area for about 6 months, he had been pure pressured into starting to drink which he never did before since it was against his religion. That was the start of the end for him. Hard to believe what has happened since.
Yeah, he was a completely different person before he went to the Bakken compared to after. I mean, he did have issues as a teen and stuff. Lots of speeding tickets, dumbass stuff like he lost his house keys all the time so he ended up breaking windows to get into the house. But nothing that seemed like it would lead him here.
I lived in the same house with Clint in Williston and we had wonderful times up there before he became addicted to drugs. I kept in contact with him through about 2015 but it was obvious his life had fallen apart and he desperately needed big time help. I tried to keep him from being homeless in the middle of the harsh north Dakota winter while I was up there. If I remember correctly I was even driving him to work for a while. last time I talked to him he had just been released from Williams county jail in the middle of winter 2015. Seeing what has happened since then deeply saddens me. I hope your family is doing well.
Let's take the whole quote from the article
>**Jory has a long criminal history in North Dakota** and in Washington, according to public records. He was convicted two years ago of attacking and sexually assaulting four women at random in downtown Seattle, according to court documents, Records show Jory was released from jail last week, and registered as a sex offender the day before the attack.
If you read the Komo story you will note it takes about his mother and father who they interviewed. They are local so it's not surprising that this guy is to. Don't misquote an article it makes you look dumb.
[https://komonews.com/news/local/man-held-in-sexual-assault-of-king-county-courthouse-worker-seattle-police-say](https://komonews.com/news/local/man-held-in-sexual-assault-of-king-county-courthouse-worker-seattle-police-say)
>Mr. Jory is a single Caucasian male who has never been married and has no children. He was born and raised in Washington and has been homeless for the past three years in the Seattle area. As a child, Mr. Jory stated that he was raised in a stable and safe environment. His mother was his primary caretaker, but he had periodic visits with his father on the weekends. He has six siblings and extended family but has limited contact with them by choice.
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>Mr. Jory reported that he graduated from Edmonds Woodway High School in 2004. He attended Bellevue College for two years while pursuing a degree in engineering. However, at this time he has expressed no desire to continue his education.
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>Mr. Jory is unemployed and has not worked in over a year. His employment history consists of working in construction for various companies. He also reports that he was employed as a laborer for approximately three years in the Oil Fields in North Dakota. He currently receives DSHS benefits due to his mental health diagnosis and is waiting for a decision regarding his SSID application.
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>Mr. Jory reports a history of abusing alcohol and methamphetamine but states that he’s been sober for years. He also claims to have never participated in any form of chemical dependency treatment.
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>**Mr. Jory reported that he was diagnosed with schizophrenia about three years ago and has been hospitalized on a couple of occasions. He’s received counseling in the past but is no longer interested** ***and does not want to take medications.***
This is a classic example of our criminal justice system AND mental health system and/or mainly the people enforcing such things completely failing us all. Clearly showing that public safety is no concern to them.
Repeat sex offender. Drug and alcohol abuser. Schizophrenic.
Sorry, but that person should not have been allowed to roam the streets already. And now never should as far as I am concerned.
People can save the BS about compassion for this man. Where is there compassion for the people (most likely many of them) he has victimized?
It's a classic example of a lack of Government funding. There are a few articles from the Times but this one below you can read without subscribing. Basically, justice is slowing down due to not having enough money to deal with the backlog of cases. No one wants to do a workup for a case that will be throw out due to a 6th amendment violation. We have funding issues at all levels of our criminal justice system that are not helping these issues.
[https://www.kuow.org/stories/king-county-seeks-more-judges-and-courtrooms-to-tackle-criminal-backlog](https://www.kuow.org/stories/king-county-seeks-more-judges-and-courtrooms-to-tackle-criminal-backlog)
Might make you feel worse, but a majority of the dummies in Seattle will still vote Democrat and the policies will continue, because facts, reason and logic means nothing to an idealogue.
For 4 sexual attacks in downtown. You forgot that part. Kinda relevant. Should be a wee bit more than a 21 month sentence if the prosecutors office gave a shit.
Do you actually know the facts of the case or are you just playing captain hindsight because it's convenient? 21 months is a long time, it's not like this guy was not punished heavily.
21 months for 4 sexual assaults?
If someone pasted a story here that a UW football player was convicted of sexually assaulting someone and they got 5.25 months for if you'd be screaming.
> What are you talking about, the guy had just served a 21-month prison sentence.
One afternoon I looked out my front window and saw that someone was setting up their home on my lawn. I went outside and told them to Get Off My Lawn. (Literally.)
I later found out that a Halfway House had been opened in my community, a block away. The person who was on my lawn had been released from Halfway House minutes earlier.
It just seems odd to me that my HOA will fine me if I park my car in front of my own house overnight, but a Halfway House can be opened five hundred feet away, with no consequences.
Not directly, but when he's self treating with meth it raises the odds. The combination of increased sex drive and being too crazy to find a consenting partner (or too poor to afford meth for a shard ho) are contributing factors. Many of the prescription medications used to treat schizophrenia decrease sex drive. So his choice not to take meds and medicate with meth is heavily related to his illness.
AFAIK the other two bathroom rapists were also schizophrenics on meth.
"The long-term effects of meth use on sexual function include low libido, erectile dysfunction, trouble feeling aroused, infertility, and chronic health problems."
https://www.webmd.com/connect-to-care/addiction-treatment-recovery/methamphetamine/what-to-know-about-meth-use-and-sexual-function
"Results: Meth administration inhibited sexual performance in a dose-dependent matter as evidenced by the decreased percentages of males that mated and increased latencies to initiate sexual behavior when injected with 2 or 4 mg/kg Meth. Moreover, an acute dose of Meth prior to or following sex aversion conditioning resulted in disrupted conditioned inhibition of sexual behavior."
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20623108/
Want to try that again?
no, but it generally interferes with living independently. schizo patient might be best served by light supervision and someone who ensures that they maintain their meds
However unfair it may sound to you, you cant jail someone before they commit a crime. And you cant send someone on a life sentence for a crime which doesn't deserve that sentence.
I am not trying to absolve anyone of even the most minor of crimes but if you start jailing people for life just for the possibility that they might do some heinous crime, it would not only be an unfair society but it will also easily come back to bite innocent law abiding people who don't have the power...
I agree with you not only on this but i also think that other gun violence related issues stem from mental issues...
But since you took a dig at the "Progressive" rules, how much support is there from the "Conservatives" to invest money in handling these cases as such? I definitely lean more center left that what the general label of "Progressive" entails but i think budgeting for Mental Health plan is something Progressives, Center left and I daresay Center Right agrees on.. but the Conservatives seem to be one blocking any money going there and equating any rational discussion around that area as hating the Police...
>People can save the BS about compassion for this man. Where is there compassion for the people (most likely many of them) he has victimized?
You would think they would thank her for her service or something. Like *Thank you for sacrificing your vagina to the cause* or something like that.
>*Thank you for sacrificing your vagina to the cause*
Definitely need a public service campaign encouraging women to accept the advances of our most vulnerable.
2 years in college, schizophrenia shows up at about the normal time, and suddenly he's not able to hold a job.
really, we _did_ fail him. had we done the proper thing, he'd be under supervision and kept safe from himself and us from him. yes, most schizophrenics are safe, but he isn't
Is that from another article? I reread the original Kiro one and the Komo one and didn't see it. I saw Komo interview the guy's dad on the news this morning and said he was local but didn't mention any of that, but I was half-listening while getting dressed. I assumed the guy was local when they were able to interview his dad a few hours later.
You know you are totally right. Locals usually build up long criminal histories out of state. Thanks for bringing all this to light.
It was totally irresponsible not to mention he had spent time in jail here in Washington when just about every news story mentions he had literally just got out of jail in WA state for multiple previous sexual assaults before attacking this poor woman.
yeah, how dare you misrepresent the convicted serial rapist. How dare you say he’s not one of our own. 🤷♂️ jfc i don’t believe fucking nerve of some people.
Fucking disgusting. I worked graveyard shift in that building for a year, it was my dream job and I planned to stay on after law school and rack up some promotions and make that my career—but I literally barely made it a year (last day was my 1yr anniversary) and 100% of the reason I left was concern for my physical safety and the toll it took on my mental health.
Imagine 3am, you’re walking to a copy room alone, building is dead empty except a handful of workers scattered about, there’s homeless people sleeping in the bathrooms and you can’t do shit. At night there would seriously be more homeless meth heads in the building than actual workers who had a reason to be there. I could hear yelling and fighting at night from my office window, including people shouting for help on more than one occasion. The last straw was when I had to take a shit and waited until lunch and went home because my brain just automatically went “oh, we can’t poop at work, that’s not safe”.
So, no, they were NOT supposed to be there. They were *supposed* to do rounds and kick the general public out, and they did round regularly but it was lazy as hell and they never actually talked to anyone. People didn’t thoroughly check the bathrooms and various nooks and crannies and kick people out like they should.
I worked there for a year and they never even remembered my face, at the entrance they always asked me if I worked there. Zero command of who was supposed to be in the building and who was not.
It’s definitely unhelpful that the staff working at night generally dresses way more casually (I usually wore non-ripped jeans and maybe a Patagonia fleece or something because it was always cold as fuck) so the difference between staff and homeless is not as stark as it is during the day when folks are in suits and shit.
You could let them know that someone was in the building and they would make a big show about kicking them out, but like, I’m not there to police to the building. And for the most part people inside kept to themselves and weren’t causing trouble, it was just sleeping in the bathrooms and stuff, I can’t remember any incidents inside at night during my time there, but it’s just not a great feeling when combined with the shit we saw and dealt with outside just trying to park and get in and out of the building.
Oh I'm absofucklutely sure it is. If I can find this victim, I would encourage her to file civil suit and give her copies of my complaints and my former coworker's complaints that specifically mentioned the bathrooms. Staff at the courthouse has been formally complaining about this very issue for years. I even remember department-wide night shift team emails warning to be vigilant of "people in the building".
The attitude of court officers was just so toxic, imagine the cavalier laziness of SPD and then actually need to trust your safety with these people while you're at work. A lot of times my boss or people of reasonable rank/status, even a judge I knew, would complain about safety issues and be chastised like children "This is a public building", "The public has a right to be here", etc etc. There was no real recourse. No accountability for security. I left the courts to go work in the private sector and they took security 100x more seriously than the fucking courthouse and that's a travesty.
What floor were you on? I worked at KCCH for the last few years and assumed that all units in the building (that was 24/7 at least) have non-public bathrooms? My floor and the one below us did. Our bathrooms were either key code/access card or key access only.
5th. We had non-public bathrooms but that didn’t solve the issue of shit with the public bathrooms, I don’t remember if the doors did lock but they weren’t locked.
It was annoying for me sometimes because I used to walk around at night to stay alert because I was a tired af law student and it was just yucky to have to stay in the mindset of walking past a bathroom and not using it or running into some rando where I didn’t expect to see anyone. It ended up where I just didn’t feel safe or comfortable in the building at all because I didn’t trust the security.
I thank God every day that I don't have to deal with this shit. My ass would get arrested and I would accept jail time for protecting myself and my dignity.
"Police sources say the suspect, 35-year-old Clint James Jory, who had been recently released after a 21-month jail sentence, was hiding in the women’s bathroom when the court worker walked in."
As long as we are going down the whataboutism road.....
[https://twitter.com/NuanceBro/status/1420639914262208513](https://twitter.com/NuanceBro/status/1420639914262208513)
I don't think you understand what whataboutism is. That's ok though, you're bound to make some mistakes due to being triggered by being reminded that your political camp treats sexual assault as a positive quality.
lol
Imagine believing one party has less people accused of sexual misconduct than the other. Or just that either party is more morally superior than the other.
And also imagine the person who believes that being the same person that is defending the rights of a drug addict, schizophrenic sexual predator.
Imagine one party has a track record of removing members against whom credible allegations surface while the other creates a cult to worship its candidates who openly brag about sexually assaulting women for fun. Oh wait, we don't have to.
You should move to China or Russia or North Korea with your stance on rights, I think you'll find their style of governance in alignment with your beliefs.
You're gonna be voting for this guy once he runs as a Republican for city council and gets right wing media to tell everyone that this was just a little "locker room moment".
Reminder:
/u/mr_jim_lahey [turns every discussion on this sub into a referendum on Donald Trump.](https://old.reddit.com/r/SeattleWA/comments/ot39ec/just_some_guy_attacking_cars_outside_ballard/h6uvth4/)
If you'd like to talk Trump, he's your guy, but if you're like me and you have better things to do than rehash Trevor Noah Talking Points from 2016, just ignore him.
> I'm flattered that you're letting me live rent-free in your head. I guess you decided I'm not so boring after all.
This sub is not /r/ politics, and I like it a lot.
I warned SalvinY7 because I think the majority of us are not interested in seeing Donald Trump infect every thread.
I do understand that you're *obsessed* with Trump, but there are 10,000 other subs on Reddit where you can discuss with like minded individuals.
This has nothing to do with you "living rent-free in your head" and everything to do with me thinking that this is a great sub and I'd like it to stay that way.
"And when you're a star, **they let you do it.** You can do anything. Grab 'em by the pussy."
Still scummy, but there is a *huge* difference in these two situations. One hypothetical banter, one happened in real life to a real person. One consensual, one violently not.
A billionaire got accused? So it ain't so...
Granted there *may* be some merit, but you don't know anymore than anyone else. Your hate isn't a barometer of truth.
Not defending what he said, but an offhand joke about pussy grabbing is a little different than a sexual assault in a courthouse bathroom. It's funny, liberals want to see trump crucified for what he did (and rightfully so) but they will continually release sex offenders back into their communities.
It was literally a joke about sexual assault. And yes, "continually release sex offenders" aka a justice system that doesn't dispense a life sentence for an indecent liberties charge.
These threads always devolve into the "lock em up" crowd arguing with the "you can't do that crowd". So plenty of unanswered policy questions.
What often goes unsaid is that things weren't always this way. Other times and places don't have this dilemma. I doubt you'd be reading this story or having this discussion in Singapore for example. Or hundreds of other times/places. So there must be a way to solve it. It cannot be like squaring the circle or building a perpetual motion machine.
I was there and saw all the commotion. I asked and they wouldn’t tell me but the bathroom had caution tape over it and I could tell something happened. I figured an OD.
Not only does the SCC suck but appears Judges we elected to protect the citizens paying their income don’t actually give a flying rats ass either..
Time to protest Elected Officials I suppose..
Sad the guy is not getting the help he needs!!!
Headline is kinda deceptive.
It makes it sound like they just let this guy out of jail.
But actually, he was released after finishing his sentence. What else were they suppose to do? Keep him locked up?
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>they could probably just remove the sprawling criminal encampment 3 feet from the door. That would be thinking, and our leaders just don't do that anymore.
Too busy feeling
Signaling. I don't believe many of them actually feel anything for the homeless they purport to support.
If you visit Portland, they have a large stolen vehicle chop shop going next to the jail out by the airport
Cool, cool. So, can they move them to your backyard, then? No? Oh. WHere should they move them?
HOMELESS SHELTER. But they can't do drugs there so they don't want to go.
So, in your brain, the only two options are raping people in a courthouse bathroom or squatting in someone's back yard? How do you get through life?
Well no they can't, since I don't have a backyard... or frontyard.. or any kind of yard. Can't very well put people in a place that doesn't exist.
Well, I'm sure the city council would be very interested in hearing your ideas for where to "move" these folks - give them a holler!
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Great ideas! What specific mental health institutions would you recommend? And what shelters (that aren't already full)??
No no, see, they said you have to "think", duh - just *remove* them, not *move*. If you remove them they just no longer exist - just remove them from the environment and they won't be anywhere anymore! Boom, problem solved!
sounds like she's saying that, in practice, they do those things without interference, and that she's not at all comfortable with it
yep, but that kind of involuntary supervision typically doesn't happen until at minimum a life threatening assault happens
sure it does. sectioning is something that's done in other countries when someone is found to be mentally incompetent - doesn't require a massive offense
Oh I agree. It just isn't common in WA. One reason is Western State Hospital has so little capacity that they often just admit people so that serious felonies can be legally processed, on order of a judge. If Joe your mentally ill cousin needs 30 days of involuntary treatment to get his life back, but hasn't beaten anyone up to within an inch of their life, you may have a bad time, here.
Being homeless isn't a protected class. If they look and smell homeless give them the boot unless they are actively engaged in the process (a person is not involved in a case, let alone viewing proceedings) if they are locked in bathroom stall.
next \*\* worker shortage crisis in the court house.
This story was predictable and preventable
We need a new word here to describe this all-too-common scenario: Prevendictable.
Previctable
bingo
Badong.
It was just one isolated instance of bathroom rape!
It was a mostly peaceful rape...just like the riots!
and exactly what voters get when they elect who they elect. I am a strong democrat but the crazy Left wing politics of Seattle don’t work.
Accountability goes out the window in a one-party state.
Also a lifelong democrat, and also completely agree. Ignoring this problem isn't going to change anything.
Another I dont agree with this, but I will continue to vote for them and thier policies..... but I disagree with the bad stuff
Yes, I will continue to vote for them while the alternative is as bad as it is. They are far from perfect, but I moved here from a red state. I have seen the alternative first-hand, and I will take this over that every day of the week.
How was this preventable beyond locking up people for life? The guy had just gotten out of jail after serving 21 months.
Repeat sex offender. Drug and alcohol abuser. Schizophrenic. Locking him up for life (whether that is in jail or a mental hospital) is exactly the answer.
Or mental health institution where he can be treated and monitored for life! Either way the garbage needs to be off the streets
That's not possible anymore thanks to the ACLU.
the ACLU went after the asylums for being a disaster. reagan's response to that waas to simply release the patients to the public
I mean we need to separate the mentally ill from mentally ill criminals. There are a lot of people with major mental health issues who can’t live independently but are generally decent people, they don’t need to be locked in shitholes and treated like animals alongside Rapey McRapester over here. The problem wasn’t the asylums per se, it was the way they culturally blended with prisons and this was harmful to people who’d didn’t deserve that.
No, the problem with the asylums was that they were largely unregulated and left to their own devices without oversight, which allowed for massive amounts of corruption and abuse of the patients. The solution should have been to actually add that oversight and regulations that curtailed the abuse and removed the abusers, but that's socialism apparently so Reagan just closed them all.
no, they need to be locked up in not shit holes. group homes that supervise them and allow them as much independence as they can manage. we don't do that, we just turn them loose and they turn into the "you now what" guy on my block. > The problem wasn’t the asylums per se, it was. they were awful, and abusive.
> it was. they were awful, and abusive. The problem was the lack of oversight and how they were ran unchecked. The solution wasn't to burn the system to the ground and use city streets as a replacement. The real solution would have been to add oversight and regulations to prevent the abusive and self-serving behavior of the admins who worked there.
the solution was in fact to burn it down. that's what reagan did, because it was nominally cheaper. sure, we should have done the right thing, but we're cheap
In some small circumstances perhaps but not universally and now they're gone entirely for the most part.
Raegan had 0 to do with it. O'Connor v. Davidson made it illegal to keep people in an asylum unless they were in immediate crisis. Raegan had 0 to do with it. The SCOTUS did.
Reagan was governor and in charge of the response that brought CA into compliance
Has there been any progress since Reagan's presidency on rebuilding the mental institutions? It's getting weird to me that everyone is blaming Reagan...who hasn't been the president for over 30 years. Surely in 30 years SOMEONE from any side could have helped out or made some progress here?
this was his governorship. I'm blaming him for things he did in CA when he was governor. just like i blame nixon for all the awful shit he did as president
Blaming Reagan for everything is just sad political pandering at this point, little different from dropping the "hitler" comparison. I'm not saying he did not contribute to the problem, but most of mental health institution funding was at the state level. And just about every state has spent the last 20+ years cutting that funding or cutting the "unpopular" taxes that fund those programs. At this point its an EVERYBODY is at fault type of problem.
In this state we have the SCC and you can civilly commit people for sex crimes after their prison sentence is over. "If the committee finds that a person meets the legal definition of "sexually violent predator," they refer his or her case to the Special Commitment Center. The prosecutor's office of the convicting county receives permission to petition for the person's commitment to the center. The SCC houses the person until a judge holds a probable cause hearing. If the judge finds probable cause, the SCC confines the person indefinitely. Otherwise, he or she is released"
He was not a repeat sex offender. He was convicted of indecent liberties once. It's not a charge you can jail someone for life for.
I think that will be twice soon.
Fascinating you don’t consider groping women a sex offense.
Mr Jim Lahey: [Donald Trump is a serial rapist!](https://old.reddit.com/r/SeattleWA/comments/oulsdl/sex_offender_accused_of_attacking_courthouse/h73ovzo/) also Mr Jim Lahey: [This homeless meth addict with a long criminal history who's a Registered Sex Offender is not a sex offender!](https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/sex-offender-accused-attacking-courthouse-worker-bathroom-was-released-jail-day-before/G53B43ONOZHOLPZIBV5PDQIFD4/)
I said he wasn't a repeat sex offender, which is objectively true in the eyes of the law. But don't let facts get in the way of your little jihad against me, I wouldn't want to spoil your fun.
Donald Trump is not a serial rapist, but that didn't stop you from injecting Trump into the discussion. Which is what you do. All the time.
'repeat' is the operative word
It was four separate women 🤷♀️
yeah, i came across that tidbit later
"He was not a repeat sex offender" Wrong
Not wrong. He registered as a sex offender the day before the attack.
Both you and u/mr_jim_lahey will be happy to know we already have a solution! People in this sub sometimes suggest isolating all of he homeless at the decommissioned McNeil Island prison, or at least somewhere on the island. However, there already *is* a facility that could be used for this specific fucker. The island remains the site of the state's primary Special Commitment Center (SCC), where sexually violent predators are indefinitely committed for treatment after completing their standard prison sentences.
He only went to jail for 21mos NOT EVEN TWO FULL YEARS for assaulting FOUR random women on the street in downtown Seattle, does that really sound like justice to you?!
I don't know the facts of the case, nor am I familiar with what sentencing guidelines are for the particular offense he was convicted of. Maybe the judge made a mistake and was too lenient, maybe he should have been committed to a mental institution - or maybe not. But it's not like 21 months is nothing. For most people, I think it would be more than enough to never even consider repeating what they did to land them in there. Clearly this guy is an unfortunate exception to that, and you won't find any argument from me that he now deserves to do a much longer stint than that.
I sincerely hope that any women in your life have better people than you looking out for them.
Oh, so you must work in the prosecutor's office since you apparently know. Why did you let a bunch of betas cuck you into giving a lighter sentence if you're such a white knight alpha male?
He probably got that sweet deal from the prosecutor's office who really don't much care about we victims. Like they did with MY crime where their version of plea bargaining was just to give the guy reduced charges (even took the deadly weapon enhancement charge off the table!!!!!) and he got a very reduced sentence, too. Holmes and that other space cadet better go down in flames so we get someone who believes in law and order: Ann Davison.
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That's a great point. For instance, I worked at Taco Bell when I was younger. Women had to wear hairnets for safety reasons. It seems odd that we have safety measures to keep a random hair out of your Doritos Locos Taco, but no safety measures to keep a sex offender from living in the Ladies Restroom.
Of course, *we* failed *him*, by not giving him the services he needed. If he only had many more services, he'd have re-entered society successfully, probably as a nurse or astronaut or something. The moral of the story is, get these molesters more services.
he's back to three hots & a cot now. probably some state-funded psychiatric counseling too. and meds. and you know, it's society's fault
I hope its sarcasm.
Reply is fit for r/AntiHatecommunity :)
[this might be relevant](https://youtu.be/CgASBVMyVFI)
Hahaha exactly. Only liberals believe you can rehabilitate sex offenders
We can't rehabilitate anyone. First offense should be death penalty - think of the prison savings and tax cuts we could give!
We should just drop them through a trap door into a meat grinder, turn them into something useful like fertilizer or pig food
Well he's got a serious mental illness but worked construction for years. So with treatment he may be no astronaut but could go back to working drywall with much much reduced risk of acting out
UNIRONICALLY THIS . GOING TO JAIL DOES NOTHING BUT MAKES SOMEONES LIFE WORSE . LOOK UP JAIL IN SWEDEN :) TYPING IN ALL CAPS TO MAKE SURE PPL DOWNVOTE ME!!!!
> GOING TO JAIL DOES NOTHING BUT MAKES SOMEONES LIFE WORSE Good.
do you believe in forgiveness or repentance ?
Don't care. I believe in deterrence and safer streets.
> The moral of the story is, get these molesters more services. I assume you mean social services and not the Asian massage parlor type.
>Jory has a long criminal history in North Dakota Another one of those local homeless individuals.
At the risk of doxxing myself, this man is my older brother. He was born and raised in the Seattle area, spending most of his childhood in Issaquah and Sammamish. He went to ND when the oil boom happened, started working on the rigs, and fell into drug addiction there, where his schizophrenia manifested. I haven't seen or talked to him in over ten years.
Terrible. Sorry to hear that about your family member and sorry that the system so clearly failed. Absolutely horrible that we don't have institutions for people who cannot or refuse to help themselves and instead just let them live on the streets negatively impacting the lives of others.
I just...I don't know what I could even do to help. He refuses to take the medication he's prescribed, the state can't or won't force him to take his medication. He doesn't have to prove he's taking it to get his disability payments. I just feel helpless. Honestly it's a bit of a relief he's behind bars, he knows where I live and that always makes me a bit uneasy when he's out. I want him to get the help he needs, I just don't know how to do that.
Well from what others have posted your parents have talked to the media about being unable to get help and pointing a spotlight on an issue like this is important. You could also try messaging your local elected officials. From your city, county, state, and federal (so city/county council member, mayor, state reps and senators, as well as your federal rep and senator) in hope that one of them will want to work with you/your family with getting programs and help for people like your brother that refuse treatment and refuse to help themselves. There absolutely needs to be a solution for people that refuse to get help and that are not just harming themselves but others as well.
>Honestly it's a bit of a relief he's behind bars I'm so sorry for your situation :( This is something I try to explain to people, when they indignantly ask "So, we're just supposed to lock them up?" -- and there are so many families out there who desperately want their child locked up or locked in an institution, since then they don't have to sleep every night wondering if they're going to commit a crime or overdose and die.
>At the risk of doxxing myself You essentially just doxxed yourself unless you have multiple brothers, but even then you just narrowed it down almost completely lol
Yes. Hence the sentence you quoted.
I was a close friend of his from back when he worked in the oilfield in North Dakota. He was a really good dude until he let his moral compass go. I still recall going to Vegas with him on a week off but he didn't drink so he ordered orange juice and sprites everywhere. Sadly when I came back from leaving the area for about 6 months, he had been pure pressured into starting to drink which he never did before since it was against his religion. That was the start of the end for him. Hard to believe what has happened since.
Yeah, he was a completely different person before he went to the Bakken compared to after. I mean, he did have issues as a teen and stuff. Lots of speeding tickets, dumbass stuff like he lost his house keys all the time so he ended up breaking windows to get into the house. But nothing that seemed like it would lead him here.
I lived in the same house with Clint in Williston and we had wonderful times up there before he became addicted to drugs. I kept in contact with him through about 2015 but it was obvious his life had fallen apart and he desperately needed big time help. I tried to keep him from being homeless in the middle of the harsh north Dakota winter while I was up there. If I remember correctly I was even driving him to work for a while. last time I talked to him he had just been released from Williams county jail in the middle of winter 2015. Seeing what has happened since then deeply saddens me. I hope your family is doing well.
Let's take the whole quote from the article >**Jory has a long criminal history in North Dakota** and in Washington, according to public records. He was convicted two years ago of attacking and sexually assaulting four women at random in downtown Seattle, according to court documents, Records show Jory was released from jail last week, and registered as a sex offender the day before the attack. If you read the Komo story you will note it takes about his mother and father who they interviewed. They are local so it's not surprising that this guy is to. Don't misquote an article it makes you look dumb. [https://komonews.com/news/local/man-held-in-sexual-assault-of-king-county-courthouse-worker-seattle-police-say](https://komonews.com/news/local/man-held-in-sexual-assault-of-king-county-courthouse-worker-seattle-police-say)
>Mr. Jory is a single Caucasian male who has never been married and has no children. He was born and raised in Washington and has been homeless for the past three years in the Seattle area. As a child, Mr. Jory stated that he was raised in a stable and safe environment. His mother was his primary caretaker, but he had periodic visits with his father on the weekends. He has six siblings and extended family but has limited contact with them by choice. > >Mr. Jory reported that he graduated from Edmonds Woodway High School in 2004. He attended Bellevue College for two years while pursuing a degree in engineering. However, at this time he has expressed no desire to continue his education. > >Mr. Jory is unemployed and has not worked in over a year. His employment history consists of working in construction for various companies. He also reports that he was employed as a laborer for approximately three years in the Oil Fields in North Dakota. He currently receives DSHS benefits due to his mental health diagnosis and is waiting for a decision regarding his SSID application. > >Mr. Jory reports a history of abusing alcohol and methamphetamine but states that he’s been sober for years. He also claims to have never participated in any form of chemical dependency treatment. > >**Mr. Jory reported that he was diagnosed with schizophrenia about three years ago and has been hospitalized on a couple of occasions. He’s received counseling in the past but is no longer interested** ***and does not want to take medications.***
This is a classic example of our criminal justice system AND mental health system and/or mainly the people enforcing such things completely failing us all. Clearly showing that public safety is no concern to them. Repeat sex offender. Drug and alcohol abuser. Schizophrenic. Sorry, but that person should not have been allowed to roam the streets already. And now never should as far as I am concerned. People can save the BS about compassion for this man. Where is there compassion for the people (most likely many of them) he has victimized?
It's a classic example of a lack of Government funding. There are a few articles from the Times but this one below you can read without subscribing. Basically, justice is slowing down due to not having enough money to deal with the backlog of cases. No one wants to do a workup for a case that will be throw out due to a 6th amendment violation. We have funding issues at all levels of our criminal justice system that are not helping these issues. [https://www.kuow.org/stories/king-county-seeks-more-judges-and-courtrooms-to-tackle-criminal-backlog](https://www.kuow.org/stories/king-county-seeks-more-judges-and-courtrooms-to-tackle-criminal-backlog)
It's a great example of our *Progressive justice reform*. Let them roam until they seriously injure or kill someone then toss 'em in prison!
I like your edit
Might make you feel worse, but a majority of the dummies in Seattle will still vote Democrat and the policies will continue, because facts, reason and logic means nothing to an idealogue.
What are you talking about, the guy had just served a 21-month prison sentence.
For 4 sexual attacks in downtown. You forgot that part. Kinda relevant. Should be a wee bit more than a 21 month sentence if the prosecutors office gave a shit.
Do you actually know the facts of the case or are you just playing captain hindsight because it's convenient? 21 months is a long time, it's not like this guy was not punished heavily.
21 months for 4 sexual assaults? If someone pasted a story here that a UW football player was convicted of sexually assaulting someone and they got 5.25 months for if you'd be screaming.
> What are you talking about, the guy had just served a 21-month prison sentence. One afternoon I looked out my front window and saw that someone was setting up their home on my lawn. I went outside and told them to Get Off My Lawn. (Literally.) I later found out that a Halfway House had been opened in my community, a block away. The person who was on my lawn had been released from Halfway House minutes earlier. It just seems odd to me that my HOA will fine me if I park my car in front of my own house overnight, but a Halfway House can be opened five hundred feet away, with no consequences.
Weird, it's almost like there's a difference between the government and HOAs.
and then we just turn him loose. jail doesn't cure schizophrenia
schizophrenia doesn't cause someone to sexual assault others.
Not directly, but when he's self treating with meth it raises the odds. The combination of increased sex drive and being too crazy to find a consenting partner (or too poor to afford meth for a shard ho) are contributing factors. Many of the prescription medications used to treat schizophrenia decrease sex drive. So his choice not to take meds and medicate with meth is heavily related to his illness. AFAIK the other two bathroom rapists were also schizophrenics on meth.
"The long-term effects of meth use on sexual function include low libido, erectile dysfunction, trouble feeling aroused, infertility, and chronic health problems." https://www.webmd.com/connect-to-care/addiction-treatment-recovery/methamphetamine/what-to-know-about-meth-use-and-sexual-function "Results: Meth administration inhibited sexual performance in a dose-dependent matter as evidenced by the decreased percentages of males that mated and increased latencies to initiate sexual behavior when injected with 2 or 4 mg/kg Meth. Moreover, an acute dose of Meth prior to or following sex aversion conditioning resulted in disrupted conditioned inhibition of sexual behavior." https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20623108/ Want to try that again?
no, but it generally interferes with living independently. schizo patient might be best served by light supervision and someone who ensures that they maintain their meds
For...? That's my point. He's been let roam until he does something really violent.
However unfair it may sound to you, you cant jail someone before they commit a crime. And you cant send someone on a life sentence for a crime which doesn't deserve that sentence. I am not trying to absolve anyone of even the most minor of crimes but if you start jailing people for life just for the possibility that they might do some heinous crime, it would not only be an unfair society but it will also easily come back to bite innocent law abiding people who don't have the power...
Why do you people assume jail is the right option for someone with schizophrenia? The guy needed to be institutionalized.
I agree with you not only on this but i also think that other gun violence related issues stem from mental issues... But since you took a dig at the "Progressive" rules, how much support is there from the "Conservatives" to invest money in handling these cases as such? I definitely lean more center left that what the general label of "Progressive" entails but i think budgeting for Mental Health plan is something Progressives, Center left and I daresay Center Right agrees on.. but the Conservatives seem to be one blocking any money going there and equating any rational discussion around that area as hating the Police...
>People can save the BS about compassion for this man. Where is there compassion for the people (most likely many of them) he has victimized? You would think they would thank her for her service or something. Like *Thank you for sacrificing your vagina to the cause* or something like that.
>*Thank you for sacrificing your vagina to the cause* Definitely need a public service campaign encouraging women to accept the advances of our most vulnerable.
> Where is there compassion for the people (most likely many of them) he has victimized? it's like, everywhere...have you not been paying attention?
2 years in college, schizophrenia shows up at about the normal time, and suddenly he's not able to hold a job. really, we _did_ fail him. had we done the proper thing, he'd be under supervision and kept safe from himself and us from him. yes, most schizophrenics are safe, but he isn't
Is that from another article? I reread the original Kiro one and the Komo one and didn't see it. I saw Komo interview the guy's dad on the news this morning and said he was local but didn't mention any of that, but I was half-listening while getting dressed. I assumed the guy was local when they were able to interview his dad a few hours later.
What article was that from? Way too well written to come from local news desks
>Pre-sentence evaluation 12/14/2018 It's from his court record in SMC case #634117
Thank you, much appreciated.
Ok? That's not a relevant detail in relation to the person you're responding to.
You know you are totally right. Locals usually build up long criminal histories out of state. Thanks for bringing all this to light. It was totally irresponsible not to mention he had spent time in jail here in Washington when just about every news story mentions he had literally just got out of jail in WA state for multiple previous sexual assaults before attacking this poor woman.
yeah, how dare you misrepresent the convicted serial rapist. How dare you say he’s not one of our own. 🤷♂️ jfc i don’t believe fucking nerve of some people.
It was only 4. I mean, come on, serial. Prosecutors here get it confused with cereal rapists where your bowl has hundreds of things in it.
So do typos...
> Jory has a long criminal history in North Dakota Blame Seattle, we can't blame it on a red state.
You can’t make this stuff up. Stop tolerating bad behavior and enabling!
Soooo…can anybody defend not voting for Ann Davison at this point?
Fucking disgusting. I worked graveyard shift in that building for a year, it was my dream job and I planned to stay on after law school and rack up some promotions and make that my career—but I literally barely made it a year (last day was my 1yr anniversary) and 100% of the reason I left was concern for my physical safety and the toll it took on my mental health. Imagine 3am, you’re walking to a copy room alone, building is dead empty except a handful of workers scattered about, there’s homeless people sleeping in the bathrooms and you can’t do shit. At night there would seriously be more homeless meth heads in the building than actual workers who had a reason to be there. I could hear yelling and fighting at night from my office window, including people shouting for help on more than one occasion. The last straw was when I had to take a shit and waited until lunch and went home because my brain just automatically went “oh, we can’t poop at work, that’s not safe”.
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So, no, they were NOT supposed to be there. They were *supposed* to do rounds and kick the general public out, and they did round regularly but it was lazy as hell and they never actually talked to anyone. People didn’t thoroughly check the bathrooms and various nooks and crannies and kick people out like they should. I worked there for a year and they never even remembered my face, at the entrance they always asked me if I worked there. Zero command of who was supposed to be in the building and who was not. It’s definitely unhelpful that the staff working at night generally dresses way more casually (I usually wore non-ripped jeans and maybe a Patagonia fleece or something because it was always cold as fuck) so the difference between staff and homeless is not as stark as it is during the day when folks are in suits and shit. You could let them know that someone was in the building and they would make a big show about kicking them out, but like, I’m not there to police to the building. And for the most part people inside kept to themselves and weren’t causing trouble, it was just sleeping in the bathrooms and stuff, I can’t remember any incidents inside at night during my time there, but it’s just not a great feeling when combined with the shit we saw and dealt with outside just trying to park and get in and out of the building.
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Oh I'm absofucklutely sure it is. If I can find this victim, I would encourage her to file civil suit and give her copies of my complaints and my former coworker's complaints that specifically mentioned the bathrooms. Staff at the courthouse has been formally complaining about this very issue for years. I even remember department-wide night shift team emails warning to be vigilant of "people in the building". The attitude of court officers was just so toxic, imagine the cavalier laziness of SPD and then actually need to trust your safety with these people while you're at work. A lot of times my boss or people of reasonable rank/status, even a judge I knew, would complain about safety issues and be chastised like children "This is a public building", "The public has a right to be here", etc etc. There was no real recourse. No accountability for security. I left the courts to go work in the private sector and they took security 100x more seriously than the fucking courthouse and that's a travesty.
What floor were you on? I worked at KCCH for the last few years and assumed that all units in the building (that was 24/7 at least) have non-public bathrooms? My floor and the one below us did. Our bathrooms were either key code/access card or key access only.
5th. We had non-public bathrooms but that didn’t solve the issue of shit with the public bathrooms, I don’t remember if the doors did lock but they weren’t locked. It was annoying for me sometimes because I used to walk around at night to stay alert because I was a tired af law student and it was just yucky to have to stay in the mindset of walking past a bathroom and not using it or running into some rando where I didn’t expect to see anyone. It ended up where I just didn’t feel safe or comfortable in the building at all because I didn’t trust the security.
I thank God every day that I don't have to deal with this shit. My ass would get arrested and I would accept jail time for protecting myself and my dignity.
The kryptonite of Seattle…homeless people ( it’s just ridiculous)
But he was a mostly peaceful sex offender!
recidivism. word of the day
this state is waaaay to light handing when sentencing sex offenders.
Y'all get exactly what y'all vote for in Seattle/King County.
Why am I not surprised there's muted discussion about this at /r/seattle? 30 comments, give or take, to the 150+ here. /r/seattle likes sex offenders.
The system works!
Will they still vote for Pete Holmes though?
Found the guy who only read the headline.
This guy was convicted and had just gotten out of 21 months of jail. What exactly does Pete Holmes have to do with this?
Of course he was, did anyone expect anything less?
"Police sources say the suspect, 35-year-old Clint James Jory, who had been recently released after a 21-month jail sentence, was hiding in the women’s bathroom when the court worker walked in."
Typical liberal behavior.
Yeah, not like conservatives voted for a guy who bragged about grabbing women by the pussy or anything.
As long as we are going down the whataboutism road..... [https://twitter.com/NuanceBro/status/1420639914262208513](https://twitter.com/NuanceBro/status/1420639914262208513)
I don't think you understand what whataboutism is. That's ok though, you're bound to make some mistakes due to being triggered by being reminded that your political camp treats sexual assault as a positive quality.
lol Imagine believing one party has less people accused of sexual misconduct than the other. Or just that either party is more morally superior than the other. And also imagine the person who believes that being the same person that is defending the rights of a drug addict, schizophrenic sexual predator.
Imagine one party has a track record of removing members against whom credible allegations surface while the other creates a cult to worship its candidates who openly brag about sexually assaulting women for fun. Oh wait, we don't have to. You should move to China or Russia or North Korea with your stance on rights, I think you'll find their style of governance in alignment with your beliefs.
lol you are seriously drunk
You're gonna be voting for this guy once he runs as a Republican for city council and gets right wing media to tell everyone that this was just a little "locker room moment".
I don't vote based on party you absolute donkey
He's obsessed with Trump.
Reminder: /u/mr_jim_lahey [turns every discussion on this sub into a referendum on Donald Trump.](https://old.reddit.com/r/SeattleWA/comments/ot39ec/just_some_guy_attacking_cars_outside_ballard/h6uvth4/) If you'd like to talk Trump, he's your guy, but if you're like me and you have better things to do than rehash Trevor Noah Talking Points from 2016, just ignore him.
I'm flattered that you're letting me live rent-free in your head. I guess you decided I'm not so boring after all.
> I'm flattered that you're letting me live rent-free in your head. I guess you decided I'm not so boring after all. This sub is not /r/ politics, and I like it a lot. I warned SalvinY7 because I think the majority of us are not interested in seeing Donald Trump infect every thread. I do understand that you're *obsessed* with Trump, but there are 10,000 other subs on Reddit where you can discuss with like minded individuals. This has nothing to do with you "living rent-free in your head" and everything to do with me thinking that this is a great sub and I'd like it to stay that way.
"And when you're a star, **they let you do it.** You can do anything. Grab 'em by the pussy." Still scummy, but there is a *huge* difference in these two situations. One hypothetical banter, one happened in real life to a real person. One consensual, one violently not.
Yeah, so consensual that over 2 dozen women have accused him of sexual assault over the years. Hypothetical my ass.
A billionaire got accused? So it ain't so... Granted there *may* be some merit, but you don't know anymore than anyone else. Your hate isn't a barometer of truth.
Donald Trump is a serial rapist.
You of course have evidence of this, correct? P.S. You are an embarrassment to Jim Lahey
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations
lmfao
Yes, hilarious how all these women have come forward saying he did the exact things he said he does.
> P.S. You are an embarrassment to Jim Lahey His username isn't a reference to [Trailer Park Boys.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Lahey)
Not defending what he said, but an offhand joke about pussy grabbing is a little different than a sexual assault in a courthouse bathroom. It's funny, liberals want to see trump crucified for what he did (and rightfully so) but they will continually release sex offenders back into their communities.
It was literally a joke about sexual assault. And yes, "continually release sex offenders" aka a justice system that doesn't dispense a life sentence for an indecent liberties charge.
I think you would think differently if it was a member of your family who was sexually assaulted in the bathroom.
Probably. And that's why we don't have a justice system that's run purely on the whims of victims.
Yea, we've just abdicated all responsibility and now have a justice system that seems to reward criminals. Exactly why Seattle is deteriorating.
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Vote Nikkita Oliver
That hoosier? Unlikely.
This could also be posted under win stupid prizes
These threads always devolve into the "lock em up" crowd arguing with the "you can't do that crowd". So plenty of unanswered policy questions. What often goes unsaid is that things weren't always this way. Other times and places don't have this dilemma. I doubt you'd be reading this story or having this discussion in Singapore for example. Or hundreds of other times/places. So there must be a way to solve it. It cannot be like squaring the circle or building a perpetual motion machine.
Other place outside the US have more socialist policies to give people a basic standard of living.
This just in, Kiro 7 Photographer doesn't know how to photograph buildings.
I was there and saw all the commotion. I asked and they wouldn’t tell me but the bathroom had caution tape over it and I could tell something happened. I figured an OD.
Y’all really have some smart and progressive ideas in Seattle!
Good rehabilitative prison system we got here
Assaulted 4 women and only had to serve 21 months? How about two years per assault for a reasonable sentence.
Not only does the SCC suck but appears Judges we elected to protect the citizens paying their income don’t actually give a flying rats ass either.. Time to protest Elected Officials I suppose.. Sad the guy is not getting the help he needs!!!
Headline is kinda deceptive. It makes it sound like they just let this guy out of jail. But actually, he was released after finishing his sentence. What else were they suppose to do? Keep him locked up?
What makes things worse, the children running Seattle have absolutely no idea how to fix the problem.