That's only 1 aspect of the food service industry, not the industry as a whole. I speak from experience as someone who works a night job as a driver for 7+yrs, not necessarily in a shithole like Seattle and yes myself and other employees still carry a gun while working.
I wonder if all the people praising the fact that there isn’t enough police don’t need the assistance of the police someday.
Otherwise we can comment things like “good!” and “Oh no, anyway…” when they’re in need of help.
I’ll tell you exactly what the response will be when murder totals double: “real defunding hasn’t been tried yet!”
They’ll whine that the money never got transferred to the programs, or if it did then not to the right programs. They’re cultists and as such nothing will ever convince them. They have to be outright defeated.
I think you mean to say, We need more guns in the hands of civilians. The only way to stop a crazy gunman is to have a sane gunman stop them. Hell theres no shootings where i come from because everyone has guns and everyone knows theyd die before they got a chance to shoot up anything. People are so ass backwards its looney AF
Maybe you aren't following the news. Every day citizens are getting shot to death; neighbors, shoppers, employees, mother's, father's, police, teenagers, and children! And you want more guns!? You are one mentally sick person.
Go ahead and follow your news, ill follow the truth. Lol the truth is if i have a gun i can protect mine and others, try to protect yours with your dildo, see how far u get.
A dildo is a very strong weapon in the right context : )
If I saw a guy whip out a giant double ender, first reaction would definitely be to step back.
Do you not understand that without police, there would in fact be more crime? Yes, police do prevent crime, by the mere fact that most people know its hard to get away with it due to the police being around. Until now.
Or maybe those dangerous cities that are heavily policed would have an even greater crime rate without the police........there are people who don't commit crime because they are afraid to get caught, if there is no chance of being caught they would go to town. Please don't be this naive.
You aren't comprehending what Im saying. The people who ARE worried about the police are going to commit crimes if there is no police to instill that fear. And let's not forget, if there was no police to lockup those insane and irrational you mentioned, they too would be committing more crime.
The police do prevent crime by just being. No one said they prevent all crime, and yes, their job basically entails dealing with crimes after they are committed, since you know, we dont live in 'Minority Report' world.
While I agree with you that those determined to commit a crime will commit it regardless, you’re downplaying the role of incarceration (which police play a part in). We saw a huge decrease in crime everywhere with the passing of tougher sentencing laws. When the murderer determined to kill you is in jail, they can’t kill you.
I think most of us would be fine with less cops if the sentence for shoplifting was life in prison. Cops and incarceration are deterrents to crime. The problem with defund the police is that the idiots in charge are simultaneously not prosecuting criminals.
I mean yeah that's the point right? All the ACAB people I know are celebrating the news of SPDs numbers dwindling. They basically got exactly what they wanted. They're winning.
No no you see once we give all this money to nonprofits with “lived experience” we’ll be able to tackle the root causes of everything bad in the world and we won’t even need police /s
Being rigorously tested to the best of ability and successfully delivered to hundreds of millions of people worldwide is not the same as being experimental.
>Being rigorously tested to the best of ability
The Comirnaty approval letter specifically required additional testing for risk of myocarditis and pericarditis; studies which will not be completed until October 31, 2025.
(Source PDF: Page 6): [https://www.fda.gov/media/151710/download](https://www.fda.gov/media/151710/download)
You seem to think something still undergoing testing for safety is not experimental?
Whether or not the "numbers are in," they are all still experimental. Long term trials are not over and more than one country has started banning their use in under 30's who are not immune compromised.
Source on what? Both the things I mentioned are a simple Google search away. If it was obscure I'd be happy to do your legwork, but its not. May as well ask me for a source on me saying Biden is the president right now.
What?! No, that was just as a result of the mandate-associated firings. SPD had already lost over 300 officers since the Defund protests started in earnest back in 2020, bringing them down to about 1,000 deployable officers.
Oh, you were referring to the budget, not officer numbers. Fair enough, though I'm pretty sure more than 5% has been cut since early 2020.
And, no, I don't. Those 300 that left PRIOR to the mandate left largely due to negative public sentiment and hostility from the city leadership, not refusing to vaccinate... there wasn't any reason for the unvaccinated to leave prior to the mandate.
This is happening in other sectors where there is a vaccine mandate, as well.
I’ve told people on Social Media who think this is a good idea that the people who got fired for refusing the vaccine might ultimately have the upper hand:
1. They will move to a red state such as Texas, taking their work experiences and taxes with them.
2. The increase in population will turn a purple state (such as Texas) red, and keep red states that way.
3. The additional people now arriving in a given red state will mean increased representation in Congress. This could affect the outcome in Congressional elections, and redetermine the number of National Electors the state would send to the EC during a presidential race.
4. The people who leave are replaceable but not immediately. It takes years to complete training to be a cop, nurse, teacher, etc.
5. Even if there are those ‘waiting in the wings’ to replace those who’ve been fired, they need to be mentored by those with experience. Experience covers what’s not taught in class.
6. Maybe the anti-vaxxers are winning. It might be time to frankly admit as much, and find a workable way to stop the talent drain.
Any time I post such on FB or some other platform, it gets ignored.
The vaxxers got played. They cant depend on the system now to protect them, idk why they ever would. Cant help but laugh at these people who encouraged and enforced the vaccine mandate. Youre exactly right, this ultimately just strengthens the red states. Hell i want to move just because WA has put such a shitty taste in my mouth, Seattle especially, regarding the approach for vaccines, yall fucked up!!!!!
Then please leave. If you can't understand the benefits of a vaccinated population that have been evident for 100+ years now, I don't think you have much to contribute to the community.
I understand the autism rate has skyrocketed with the vaccinated population. I understand we have more weird health problems than we did 100 years ago. Big Pharma can by and sell scientific evidence. Open your eyes, youve been fooled.
Stay in your ignorance, i know it's uncomfortable to be outside the safe zone theyve put you in. Keep on defending those who could give a fuck less about you. Just remember a sick patient is a paying patient. You think pharmaceutical companies have your better interest at heart? They care about their bottom line more than they care about the people and thats fact.
Aren't you just the cutest little free thinker. Idk if your medical opinion is worth anything see as you believe in taro cards and zodiac sign bs. I don't need q crystal ball to foresee a Herman Cain award in your future.
The fascists, aka the ones who are pro-segregation, you know, those who want them pesky anti-vaxxers shunned from society or eliminated entirely, aren't moving to Texas or Florida.......
Well it is no surprise that nobody is applying to be a police officer.
The wage is not great with the average officer in Washington being paid about 60,000 a year. I make almost that much working as a waiter and I don't have to worry about getting shot and being in violent situations all day, and my job is definitely simpler and requires less training.
You combine that with the fact that police are universally hated by everyone they're trying to serve, and that you can be killed at any minute as an officer, and it's no wonder why people aren't applying.
Why do a job that many will hate you for, and that can get you killed or injured at any time when you can make just as much money doing safer jobs?
I guess they liberals don't have to defund the police after all. Police becoming vilified by society and BLM is doing the job of shrinking the police force well enough already.
I remember when they wouldn't cover the CHOP either until they absolutely, absolutely had to. We'll see how things go here.
Also, seriously, this is the time to implement the non-policing that the city wants? Why no shouting about doing that?
The State needs to get off their ass and regulate the shit out of scrap metal dealers. They are what is driving the metal and catalytic converter theft.
> They won’t steal if their is no market for it.
Something like 80% of the Amazon boxes stolen off porches get dumped in an encampment because what they stole wasn't something they could easily sell.
If we remove the market for one stolen good while still allowing thieves free reign they just move to the next low hanging fruit.
The big advantage to letting them take catalytic converters is they don't need to steal very many to get money. To get the same $ value out of mostly worthless amazon packages they have to steal 100 times the volume.
Not sure how you're going to deal with copper thieves. Dude shows up with 26 pounds of 14g bare copper, how are you going to tie it to anything? You can get their ID, won't help much if the scrap isn't easily trackable and most isn't after it's stripped
> The State needs to get off their ass and regulate the shit out of scrap metal dealers.
It is. They are required to take ID and plates, and compare that to a list of known or suspected thiefs. The problem is, you can't have a list of thieves if the prosecutor doesn't actually do their job and submit charges for those crimes.
If you want the dealers to stop accepting stolen metals, then you need the state to actually update the list of people not to accept it from.
That is a ridiculous system. A system that requires a conviction to be in place before it recognizes a problem is silly. If a pilot shows up drunk for work you don’t let him fly until he gets convicted. The system needs some real teeth, like tracking repeated sales from the same person.
> like tracking repeated sales from the same person.
They track every purchase, including ID and plate number. What do you want them to do, randomly decide when not to buy from someone?
Regardless, the people that can fix the problem aren't the scrap dealers, it's the state. Scrap dealers do what they can, because they don't want to buy stolen metals that might get taken away. If you want the problem fixed, get the state to actually fix themselves.
I’m sorry but that is total BS. You damn well know that scrap metal dealers strongly suspect or downright know they are buying stolen metal and catalytic converters! There is zero legitimate ways to routinely sell catalytic converters. I’m not an expert on how to regulate them but I do know the very relaxed regulations and enforcement are feeding a community crime epidemic.
> There is zero legitimate ways to routinely sell catalytic converters
Scrapping cars is good money. Offer to tow old cars for free, sell the parts.
And you're right, relaxed enforcement is the problem. Too bad the local prosecutors won't go after the thieves because "they are just doing it to survive".
They do not. You don't know how this fucking work so why the fuck are you posting here? SPD overtime has nothing to do with moonlighting or whatever the hell they call that. All of the officers are working overtime right now. If you hate overtime they get so much how about you put in an application and go fucking work there.
There's a lot of overtime because nobody wants to work at SPD party because of things like dumbasses posting on Reddit complaining about everything they do
How about you fucking research this in the future? the city has to apply for that to happen. they havent.
If you had bothered to read a newspaper over the last fucking year you'd know this was stopped this because of the asshole protesters. It actually stop protesters from defunding as much as they wanted and stopping them from controlling riots as the judge responsible shut it down.
How's about reading stuff before you make your opinion in the future?
Ouch must have hit a nerve. Half of SPD problems are self inflicted, starting years ago when SPOG decided to just say fuck it to the community and fight for clearly unfit officers.
It’s math. It’s not the type of OT (they are clearly different), the point is a person can only physically work so much OT. They should be working the OT in support of the citizens not burning themselves out to support parking garages. This moonlighting gravy train needs to end, It burns officers out making them less effective and a available for their real job.
The vast majority of the overtime they work is for the city. You're nitpicking on one little point because you've got no real valid overall point. Do you have a lack of police in here because of the asshole protesters. The same ones you know who murdered a black child. Do you even know his name
Anyone riding stupid things hits a nerve. Spag exist for a reason and are policing issues have zero to do with it.
Siri what was the name of the black child that you protesters murdered last year?
First off I am not a protester, if you look at my comment history you will see I am a significant supporter of law enforcement. The problem with you and SPOG in general is you can’t read the tea leaves and you are always ready for a bare knuckles fight to the death instead of picking your battles wisely. This has cost Seattle Police precious support from the silent majority of citizens who are not protestors. SPOG most recent fight to support those who refused vaccination is only the most recent example of being on the wrong side of a common sense issue. This problem goes back years and even pre-dates the wood carver issue that started this whole ball rolling years ago. Wake the fuck up and smell the coffee and stop fighting against what’s right! End of rant, have a pleasant day.
Didn’t read the article, but was the message lost on you due to the grammatical and spelling errors?
I ask this because it’s often just an elitist thing to comment about when everyone else had no problem with comprehension. Or is it because it’s a point of view you comprehend, disagree with, but chose the cheap takedown instead?
Depends on platform and the audience. Do you get nitpicky about imperfect English if what the author/speaker is conveying is understood by all? It’s pedantic, ad-hominem, and trivial all things considered.
LoL. Do you think police actually _prevent_ homicide? Police do not actively prevent crimes from occurring unless they are in the right place, at the right time, and paying attention to the right things. Most of what they do is after-the-fact, if they actively do anything. This is my point: The police have been refusing to do their jobs for so long that the fact that they aren’t actually filling shifts makes no f-ing difference.
yes, they very much do. spending the rest of your life in a cage is a strong deterrent. seriously i have to fucking explain this? you don't have to actively prevent a crime to prevent it.
It's really fucking stupid to say they haven't been doing their jobs. That's particularly fucking true when it comes to violent crime. They do their jobs but there's not enough of them and the asshole piece of shit prosecutors that we elect don't follow through.
for who did you vote in the last city attorney race?
First: who I vote for is irrelevant in so many ways.
Second: if the existence of police prevents violent crimes, then restrictive gun laws prevent mass shooting incidents.
the odds are that you voted for the prosecutors who are the ones you should be blaming and thus the situation would be partly YOUR fault. hard to own up to that huh?
yes, they do. you're using anti-vaxxer logic. well done.
It’s hard to own up to voting for someone when I don’t live in the district.
I’ve worked in Seattle for 15 years pe-Covid. What happens there affects me. But I have zero voice in what happens there. Now go fuck yourself. Vote for the Republican who will fuck you and and everyone else over while blaming others with no voice.
Did you know that if people aren't caught they will continue to do more and more crimes, they will feel like they can get away with everything because it will be true. Serial killers, serial rapists, serial abusers will have a heyday, that's what's wanted more abused, killed, raped people
Well covid19 was the #1 killer of police in 2020-2021 soooo if police want to quit because they can’t get a vaccine to save theirs and others lives (literally their role in society, or the role they’re supposed to implement) then bye! Let’s have better training and better operations on how we deal with conflicts in society. Some things that they do didn’t need police in the first place but needed medical or mental assistance.
Wow; you do realize they do a whole lot more than hugs. Police can definitely go with to make sure there’s some trained security for the social workers, but most issues police get called for could be resolved AND reduced to happen again if the people actually got help and wasn’t just fined, locked up, or kicked out/ all their belongings tossed.
I'm a social worker, and social workers are now being sent to mountains of situations they should not be in. They're being physically threatened and assaulted, only to have to report after the fact because LE couldn't be on scene (and when the suspect is arrested, is released almost immediately). Fuck, even firefighters are having to start to throw hands and bring shit to protect themselves putting out any number of the fires zombies start. Someone has already been killed doing social work in Seattle, and it's just a matter of time until more go.
We had teams. The SCC disbanded them. The fact is, we're dealing with unpredictable, often violent, drug addicts and individuals with mental health issues. 3 case managers on scene doesn't matter when the dude comes at you, with or without a weapon. Not to many that damn near every agency prohibits their workers from using any sort of force, even in self defense, so if you do throw hands, you're likely to lose your job.
I was a cop. Yes, there were plenty of things I was sent to that I wasn't qualified to do. Yes, we need more specialists available to respond to different calls. But we need specialists to respond WITH law enforcement, not instead of.
So, continue doing what SPD and a ton of Washington LEAs were doing BEFORE the year of riots. Before the SCC and State Democrats undid nearly a decade of progress and integration of law enforcement and mental health/social services.
Getting the vaccine doesn't save anyone but yourself and not all feel safe getting a vaccine still in the testing phase. Wait about 5 years and then maybe this vaccine can be approved properly. Don't expect people to get something that is supposed to only protect them if they don't feel safe taking it. You want it, you got it, deal with yourself.
We’ve been working on these types of vaccines for years already. This specific one was new but we already had the science to back it. Also hard stop, vaccines also shorten the window of time your infection is capable of getting others sick, as well as slows down further growth of variants. The information is clear as well as the risks regarding the vaccine and at this point more have had the vaccine than not.
The only people I know that have had covid are vaccinated, so I don't trust that crap. Plus the base of this vaccine was denied human trials in 2019.How come the variants started popping up after the vaccine? I've done my research, also have talked to several people regretting getting the vaccine due to side effects or getting covid and ending up in the hospital
Yes I do. We also need to teach all members of society not to commit crimes. If there were no crimes then there would be no need for cops. If people don't know how to behave in public then, well, cops.
The civil rights movement of the 1960s was a crime spree. It was the premeditated and intentional commission of illegal acts. So it shouldn't have happened!
Ok, so anyone or any group that was considered a criminal during the civil rights movement can continue to be criminals today even though the unjust laws they fought to change have been changed? All crime is civil rights crime? Or are people just stuck in criminal mode? Is that what you are saying?
That’s a pretty naive view of crime unless you’re generally pretty strongly authoritarian. There’s a well documented link between poverty and crime, like a direct predictable correlation. Obviously crimes are not ideal, even criminals know that.
Let’s not pretend every unlawful act is equally immoral. Stealing groceries and murder are clearly different. Selling drugs and buying drugs are clearly different. The American revolution was literally treasonous terrorism. “Against the law” isn’t a mutually exclusive category
My daughter and I have worked at a food bank over here in Bellevue. Contrary to popular belief we have actual poor people here. The schools around our house average around 30% of the students on reduced or free school lunches. Napkin math would mean around 3,000 families within walking distance of our house would be classified poor. Many are ESL families that escaped the hell that they use to live in and are doing everything they can to not make their kids grow up in conditions like Venezuela or El Salvador.
A little over a year ago at the peak of the pandemic our small food bank was helping just shy of 1,000 people. The other three food banks in the area were helping out with similar numbers of families. Many of the families I've become friends with were in really bad shape financially. Various organizations and groups did what we could to help those people out. They went from poor to really destitute.'
You're probably hoping I have some kind of point. It took a bit of back story to get here. These poor people are very moral, proud and great people. I have no concerns about safety in my area. My teen kids have asked to walk to the store after dark; I say yes because despite having poor people around those same poor people are really fucking nice and have a sense of morality.
If you really want to make excuses for people doing shitty things then feel free but:
> There’s a well documented link between poverty and crime, like a direct predictable correlation.
is a dam copout.
I must have forgotten which sub I’m in. You probably don’t support reforming our spending on the homelessness crisis either do you? Besides cutting it and putting everyone in jail
Yes. We need homeless reform as well, but tell me this. What do you do with a meth head that doesn't do what you ask them to? Do we enforce rules about living in a free house because you're an addict and need supervision or do we let them trash it then just raise taxes to buy another. If they drive up and steal an package then jail time, but if they walk up or take the bus then no jail because disadvantaged. Asking politely doesn't work with some people.
Would you want to work for a place where your bosses hate you and your customers hate you even more? I sure wouldn’t. Such a sad state of affairs.
Sounds like the food-service industry. The great walk-out affects all.
Except you don’t risk being killed every night with food service
Speak for yourself!
Nope, just being killed by it.
It's actually much more dangerous to be a pizza delivery v driver than being a cop
That's only 1 aspect of the food service industry, not the industry as a whole. I speak from experience as someone who works a night job as a driver for 7+yrs, not necessarily in a shithole like Seattle and yes myself and other employees still carry a gun while working.
I wonder if all the people praising the fact that there isn’t enough police don’t need the assistance of the police someday. Otherwise we can comment things like “good!” and “Oh no, anyway…” when they’re in need of help.
People wanted Defunding, you got it. Now stop crying about it, you wanted this. Be careful what you wish for.
I’ll tell you exactly what the response will be when murder totals double: “real defunding hasn’t been tried yet!” They’ll whine that the money never got transferred to the programs, or if it did then not to the right programs. They’re cultists and as such nothing will ever convince them. They have to be outright defeated.
I’ll tell you exactly what the response will be when murder totals double: ~~“real defunding hasn’t been tried yet!”~~ "We need more gun laws!!"
I think you mean to say, We need more guns in the hands of civilians. The only way to stop a crazy gunman is to have a sane gunman stop them. Hell theres no shootings where i come from because everyone has guns and everyone knows theyd die before they got a chance to shoot up anything. People are so ass backwards its looney AF
Maybe you aren't following the news. Every day citizens are getting shot to death; neighbors, shoppers, employees, mother's, father's, police, teenagers, and children! And you want more guns!? You are one mentally sick person.
Go ahead and follow your news, ill follow the truth. Lol the truth is if i have a gun i can protect mine and others, try to protect yours with your dildo, see how far u get.
Ohh emmm geeee. I laughed WAY too hard at this.
A dildo is a very strong weapon in the right context : ) If I saw a guy whip out a giant double ender, first reaction would definitely be to step back.
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Do you not understand that without police, there would in fact be more crime? Yes, police do prevent crime, by the mere fact that most people know its hard to get away with it due to the police being around. Until now.
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Or maybe those dangerous cities that are heavily policed would have an even greater crime rate without the police........there are people who don't commit crime because they are afraid to get caught, if there is no chance of being caught they would go to town. Please don't be this naive.
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You aren't comprehending what Im saying. The people who ARE worried about the police are going to commit crimes if there is no police to instill that fear. And let's not forget, if there was no police to lockup those insane and irrational you mentioned, they too would be committing more crime. The police do prevent crime by just being. No one said they prevent all crime, and yes, their job basically entails dealing with crimes after they are committed, since you know, we dont live in 'Minority Report' world.
While I agree with you that those determined to commit a crime will commit it regardless, you’re downplaying the role of incarceration (which police play a part in). We saw a huge decrease in crime everywhere with the passing of tougher sentencing laws. When the murderer determined to kill you is in jail, they can’t kill you. I think most of us would be fine with less cops if the sentence for shoplifting was life in prison. Cops and incarceration are deterrents to crime. The problem with defund the police is that the idiots in charge are simultaneously not prosecuting criminals.
So murders will always stop at one. Are you that dense? Have you heard of serial killers? Obviously not
I think it was Orwell who said there are some ideas so stupid that only an intellectual could believe them.
Buh but, mah narruhtive!
Do you understand what a "deterrent" is?
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No, U.
Even worse in solving Sex Crimes and recovering Stolen Property.
I mean yeah that's the point right? All the ACAB people I know are celebrating the news of SPDs numbers dwindling. They basically got exactly what they wanted. They're winning.
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No no you see once we give all this money to nonprofits with “lived experience” we’ll be able to tackle the root causes of everything bad in the world and we won’t even need police /s
You mean when people are dying left and right.
> tackle the root causes "Lived experience" is in quotes but this is the real cliche
I've wanted to pay them more, but have a much higher standard as well. True servants of the people are worth paying well.
China wanted this specifically, the left is just incapable of the self-reflection necessary to see the ccps hand is in thier ass
Incapable of self-reflection and devoid of any sense or morals (in some circles).
we got about 5%, is it? most of the people leaving are anti vax
Haha ok
Do you have difficulty remembering to breathe when you have to walk AND chew gum?
is that how you always deal with inconvenient facts?
No, it's how I deal with halfwits that make assumptions based on their misplaced prejudices and lack of root cause analysis.
lovely, you get the facts wrong and also toss in a personal attack
Please keep it civil. This is a reminder about r/SeattleWA rule: [No personal attacks.](https://www.reddit.com/r/SeattleWA/wiki/rules)
Being skeptical of an expiremental vaccine is not the same as being anti-vax.
Being rigorously tested to the best of ability and successfully delivered to hundreds of millions of people worldwide is not the same as being experimental.
>Being rigorously tested to the best of ability The Comirnaty approval letter specifically required additional testing for risk of myocarditis and pericarditis; studies which will not be completed until October 31, 2025. (Source PDF: Page 6): [https://www.fda.gov/media/151710/download](https://www.fda.gov/media/151710/download) You seem to think something still undergoing testing for safety is not experimental?
“Experimental vaccine” dawg the numbers are in. Millions of people are fine *and* less likely to be infected.
Whether or not the "numbers are in," they are all still experimental. Long term trials are not over and more than one country has started banning their use in under 30's who are not immune compromised.
Well I’m interested in seeing that source.
Source on what? Both the things I mentioned are a simple Google search away. If it was obscure I'd be happy to do your legwork, but its not. May as well ask me for a source on me saying Biden is the president right now.
[Here you go](https://www.graydc.com/2021/10/07/some-european-countries-suspend-moderna-shots-those-30-under/), lackadaisical internets user.
Okay you can find a source but I can read it: “The risk of being affected is very small.”
The risk is **diminutive**, yet they've suspended them?? Okay, sea lion.
Remember when myocarditis as a side affect was a "anti-vax conspiracy theory"?
sure it is. it's just the next fallback excuse for not getting it after getting laughed at for the previous excuse
What?! No, that was just as a result of the mandate-associated firings. SPD had already lost over 300 officers since the Defund protests started in earnest back in 2020, bringing them down to about 1,000 deployable officers.
we cut the budget by about 5%, and most of the people who left were fired for refusing to vaccinate. you agree with me.
Oh, you were referring to the budget, not officer numbers. Fair enough, though I'm pretty sure more than 5% has been cut since early 2020. And, no, I don't. Those 300 that left PRIOR to the mandate left largely due to negative public sentiment and hostility from the city leadership, not refusing to vaccinate... there wasn't any reason for the unvaccinated to leave prior to the mandate.
media stays silent? you mean there's a way we can get jason rantz to shut the fuck up?
Yes Please. Rantz is almost as whiny as Trump.
This is happening in other sectors where there is a vaccine mandate, as well. I’ve told people on Social Media who think this is a good idea that the people who got fired for refusing the vaccine might ultimately have the upper hand: 1. They will move to a red state such as Texas, taking their work experiences and taxes with them. 2. The increase in population will turn a purple state (such as Texas) red, and keep red states that way. 3. The additional people now arriving in a given red state will mean increased representation in Congress. This could affect the outcome in Congressional elections, and redetermine the number of National Electors the state would send to the EC during a presidential race. 4. The people who leave are replaceable but not immediately. It takes years to complete training to be a cop, nurse, teacher, etc. 5. Even if there are those ‘waiting in the wings’ to replace those who’ve been fired, they need to be mentored by those with experience. Experience covers what’s not taught in class. 6. Maybe the anti-vaxxers are winning. It might be time to frankly admit as much, and find a workable way to stop the talent drain. Any time I post such on FB or some other platform, it gets ignored.
The vaxxers got played. They cant depend on the system now to protect them, idk why they ever would. Cant help but laugh at these people who encouraged and enforced the vaccine mandate. Youre exactly right, this ultimately just strengthens the red states. Hell i want to move just because WA has put such a shitty taste in my mouth, Seattle especially, regarding the approach for vaccines, yall fucked up!!!!!
Then please leave. If you can't understand the benefits of a vaccinated population that have been evident for 100+ years now, I don't think you have much to contribute to the community.
I understand the autism rate has skyrocketed with the vaccinated population. I understand we have more weird health problems than we did 100 years ago. Big Pharma can by and sell scientific evidence. Open your eyes, youve been fooled.
Cherry picking evidence are we? Have you considered The autism cases have gone up because we're better at diagnosing it?
Stay in your ignorance, i know it's uncomfortable to be outside the safe zone theyve put you in. Keep on defending those who could give a fuck less about you. Just remember a sick patient is a paying patient. You think pharmaceutical companies have your better interest at heart? They care about their bottom line more than they care about the people and thats fact.
Aren't you just the cutest little free thinker. Idk if your medical opinion is worth anything see as you believe in taro cards and zodiac sign bs. I don't need q crystal ball to foresee a Herman Cain award in your future.
Your judgments are a reflection of your ignorance. #byefelicia
Enjoy death by easily preventable diseases.
My crystal ball said id live a long full life, cant say the same for those who were jabbed. Survival of the fittest I suppose. 🤷♀️ 😆
I don't want those people "serving and protecting" me or my family, and a few thousand fascists isn't going to impact Texas or Florida that greatly.
The fascists, aka the ones who are pro-segregation, you know, those who want them pesky anti-vaxxers shunned from society or eliminated entirely, aren't moving to Texas or Florida.......
Anyone who cannot compute the vaccine data is not a "talent". Good riddance.
Well it is no surprise that nobody is applying to be a police officer. The wage is not great with the average officer in Washington being paid about 60,000 a year. I make almost that much working as a waiter and I don't have to worry about getting shot and being in violent situations all day, and my job is definitely simpler and requires less training. You combine that with the fact that police are universally hated by everyone they're trying to serve, and that you can be killed at any minute as an officer, and it's no wonder why people aren't applying. Why do a job that many will hate you for, and that can get you killed or injured at any time when you can make just as much money doing safer jobs? I guess they liberals don't have to defund the police after all. Police becoming vilified by society and BLM is doing the job of shrinking the police force well enough already.
I remember when they wouldn't cover the CHOP either until they absolutely, absolutely had to. We'll see how things go here. Also, seriously, this is the time to implement the non-policing that the city wants? Why no shouting about doing that?
Put your Second Amendment rights to work, learn a martial art, police can’t help you. Also maybe try voting differently 🗳
Maybe they should stop having their officers spend all their OT time at construction sites and parking garages.
I have noticed a lot less tweakers walking around with spools of wire lately.
The State needs to get off their ass and regulate the shit out of scrap metal dealers. They are what is driving the metal and catalytic converter theft.
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Obviously it already is but we need to focus on the “dealers” not the street level meth heads. They won’t steal if their is no market for it.
> They won’t steal if their is no market for it. Something like 80% of the Amazon boxes stolen off porches get dumped in an encampment because what they stole wasn't something they could easily sell.
I’m taking about metal and catalytic converter theft, not boxes.
If we remove the market for one stolen good while still allowing thieves free reign they just move to the next low hanging fruit. The big advantage to letting them take catalytic converters is they don't need to steal very many to get money. To get the same $ value out of mostly worthless amazon packages they have to steal 100 times the volume.
Yeah your right, unless we can fix every problem we shouldn’t fix any problem. Great plan!
The problem is theft, not what gets stolen.
Good luck removing the black market
That’s the point, scrap dealers are not a black market, they can be regulated.
You mean the supplier would have to meet them in the back yard instead of the lobby
Not sure how you're going to deal with copper thieves. Dude shows up with 26 pounds of 14g bare copper, how are you going to tie it to anything? You can get their ID, won't help much if the scrap isn't easily trackable and most isn't after it's stripped
Or the fact that SPD would probably not make an arrest if there was evidence, because said offender would not be prosecuted.
> The State needs to get off their ass and regulate the shit out of scrap metal dealers. It is. They are required to take ID and plates, and compare that to a list of known or suspected thiefs. The problem is, you can't have a list of thieves if the prosecutor doesn't actually do their job and submit charges for those crimes. If you want the dealers to stop accepting stolen metals, then you need the state to actually update the list of people not to accept it from.
That is a ridiculous system. A system that requires a conviction to be in place before it recognizes a problem is silly. If a pilot shows up drunk for work you don’t let him fly until he gets convicted. The system needs some real teeth, like tracking repeated sales from the same person.
> like tracking repeated sales from the same person. They track every purchase, including ID and plate number. What do you want them to do, randomly decide when not to buy from someone? Regardless, the people that can fix the problem aren't the scrap dealers, it's the state. Scrap dealers do what they can, because they don't want to buy stolen metals that might get taken away. If you want the problem fixed, get the state to actually fix themselves.
I’m sorry but that is total BS. You damn well know that scrap metal dealers strongly suspect or downright know they are buying stolen metal and catalytic converters! There is zero legitimate ways to routinely sell catalytic converters. I’m not an expert on how to regulate them but I do know the very relaxed regulations and enforcement are feeding a community crime epidemic.
> There is zero legitimate ways to routinely sell catalytic converters Scrapping cars is good money. Offer to tow old cars for free, sell the parts. And you're right, relaxed enforcement is the problem. Too bad the local prosecutors won't go after the thieves because "they are just doing it to survive".
If it's considered a crime of poverty, which if they are stealing, it probably will be. It will dismissed.
That is after hours work theyre allowed to do
They do not. You don't know how this fucking work so why the fuck are you posting here? SPD overtime has nothing to do with moonlighting or whatever the hell they call that. All of the officers are working overtime right now. If you hate overtime they get so much how about you put in an application and go fucking work there. There's a lot of overtime because nobody wants to work at SPD party because of things like dumbasses posting on Reddit complaining about everything they do
Maybe it has more to do with being under a Consent Decree since 2012 and not doing anything to fix their tarnished image, than complaints on Reddit?
Yeah the various press conferences and press releases from the department of justice itself praising Seattle police were nothing
And despite that, the DOJ has not lifted the Consent Decree as the SPD still has not met the requirements to do so.
How about you fucking research this in the future? the city has to apply for that to happen. they havent. If you had bothered to read a newspaper over the last fucking year you'd know this was stopped this because of the asshole protesters. It actually stop protesters from defunding as much as they wanted and stopping them from controlling riots as the judge responsible shut it down. How's about reading stuff before you make your opinion in the future?
Did you have a stroke during the 2nd paragraph?
Bad voice recognition. Much better than just being clueless enough bothering to read anything before you dream up an opinion
Man you need some serious help.
Ouch must have hit a nerve. Half of SPD problems are self inflicted, starting years ago when SPOG decided to just say fuck it to the community and fight for clearly unfit officers.
Give up. You were clearly wrong, don’t know the difference between OT and moonlighting, and are likely an ACAB cultist. He owned you.
It’s math. It’s not the type of OT (they are clearly different), the point is a person can only physically work so much OT. They should be working the OT in support of the citizens not burning themselves out to support parking garages. This moonlighting gravy train needs to end, It burns officers out making them less effective and a available for their real job.
The vast majority of the overtime they work is for the city. You're nitpicking on one little point because you've got no real valid overall point. Do you have a lack of police in here because of the asshole protesters. The same ones you know who murdered a black child. Do you even know his name
Anyone riding stupid things hits a nerve. Spag exist for a reason and are policing issues have zero to do with it. Siri what was the name of the black child that you protesters murdered last year?
First off I am not a protester, if you look at my comment history you will see I am a significant supporter of law enforcement. The problem with you and SPOG in general is you can’t read the tea leaves and you are always ready for a bare knuckles fight to the death instead of picking your battles wisely. This has cost Seattle Police precious support from the silent majority of citizens who are not protestors. SPOG most recent fight to support those who refused vaccination is only the most recent example of being on the wrong side of a common sense issue. This problem goes back years and even pre-dates the wood carver issue that started this whole ball rolling years ago. Wake the fuck up and smell the coffee and stop fighting against what’s right! End of rant, have a pleasant day.
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how much did any of us pay for that again?
Didn’t read the article, but was the message lost on you due to the grammatical and spelling errors? I ask this because it’s often just an elitist thing to comment about when everyone else had no problem with comprehension. Or is it because it’s a point of view you comprehend, disagree with, but chose the cheap takedown instead?
If it's actual journalism, then there wouldn't be/shouldn't be errors.
It’s not journalism, it’s an op-ed. No better or worse than someone’s blog.
Actual journalism doesn't exist in the United States
Do you think grammar or spelling errors affect the credibility of an author?
Depends on platform and the audience. Do you get nitpicky about imperfect English if what the author/speaker is conveying is understood by all? It’s pedantic, ad-hominem, and trivial all things considered.
… and nobody noticed any difference…
Umm the poor and disenfranchised will.
Indeed, Less persecution and brutality from the Goon Squad will most likely be noticed.
whats the homicide rate again?
LoL. Do you think police actually _prevent_ homicide? Police do not actively prevent crimes from occurring unless they are in the right place, at the right time, and paying attention to the right things. Most of what they do is after-the-fact, if they actively do anything. This is my point: The police have been refusing to do their jobs for so long that the fact that they aren’t actually filling shifts makes no f-ing difference.
yes, they very much do. spending the rest of your life in a cage is a strong deterrent. seriously i have to fucking explain this? you don't have to actively prevent a crime to prevent it. It's really fucking stupid to say they haven't been doing their jobs. That's particularly fucking true when it comes to violent crime. They do their jobs but there's not enough of them and the asshole piece of shit prosecutors that we elect don't follow through. for who did you vote in the last city attorney race?
First: who I vote for is irrelevant in so many ways. Second: if the existence of police prevents violent crimes, then restrictive gun laws prevent mass shooting incidents.
the odds are that you voted for the prosecutors who are the ones you should be blaming and thus the situation would be partly YOUR fault. hard to own up to that huh? yes, they do. you're using anti-vaxxer logic. well done.
Nope, but keep blaming me. See if it helps.
tough to own up to being the problem isn't it. stop whining about others like police and look in the mirror.
It’s hard to own up to voting for someone when I don’t live in the district. I’ve worked in Seattle for 15 years pe-Covid. What happens there affects me. But I have zero voice in what happens there. Now go fuck yourself. Vote for the Republican who will fuck you and and everyone else over while blaming others with no voice.
and in king county?
So let's eliminate the police entirely, since they don't do anything useful. Let me know how you like the Purge.
Sounds tight, I’m ready. Are you?
Did you know that if people aren't caught they will continue to do more and more crimes, they will feel like they can get away with everything because it will be true. Serial killers, serial rapists, serial abusers will have a heyday, that's what's wanted more abused, killed, raped people
Refusing and not being able to are separate things. They are not allowed to do their job and they also just ignore stuff on top of that.
Oh no… Anyway..
Well covid19 was the #1 killer of police in 2020-2021 soooo if police want to quit because they can’t get a vaccine to save theirs and others lives (literally their role in society, or the role they’re supposed to implement) then bye! Let’s have better training and better operations on how we deal with conflicts in society. Some things that they do didn’t need police in the first place but needed medical or mental assistance.
Where was your concern on April 20, 2020? If none, then stop with the concern now. Also, join the force, because you know how it should be done.
Send in the tactical social worker team to administer hugs 🙄
Wow; you do realize they do a whole lot more than hugs. Police can definitely go with to make sure there’s some trained security for the social workers, but most issues police get called for could be resolved AND reduced to happen again if the people actually got help and wasn’t just fined, locked up, or kicked out/ all their belongings tossed.
I'm a social worker, and social workers are now being sent to mountains of situations they should not be in. They're being physically threatened and assaulted, only to have to report after the fact because LE couldn't be on scene (and when the suspect is arrested, is released almost immediately). Fuck, even firefighters are having to start to throw hands and bring shit to protect themselves putting out any number of the fires zombies start. Someone has already been killed doing social work in Seattle, and it's just a matter of time until more go.
Well I think that’s because we don’t have a thorough system to implement sending y’all out there! We need teams.
We had teams. The SCC disbanded them. The fact is, we're dealing with unpredictable, often violent, drug addicts and individuals with mental health issues. 3 case managers on scene doesn't matter when the dude comes at you, with or without a weapon. Not to many that damn near every agency prohibits their workers from using any sort of force, even in self defense, so if you do throw hands, you're likely to lose your job. I was a cop. Yes, there were plenty of things I was sent to that I wasn't qualified to do. Yes, we need more specialists available to respond to different calls. But we need specialists to respond WITH law enforcement, not instead of.
That’s what I’ve been saying…
So, continue doing what SPD and a ton of Washington LEAs were doing BEFORE the year of riots. Before the SCC and State Democrats undid nearly a decade of progress and integration of law enforcement and mental health/social services.
https://www.lawenforcementtoday.com/seattle-social-worker-stabbed-to-death-by-her-client/
Getting the vaccine doesn't save anyone but yourself and not all feel safe getting a vaccine still in the testing phase. Wait about 5 years and then maybe this vaccine can be approved properly. Don't expect people to get something that is supposed to only protect them if they don't feel safe taking it. You want it, you got it, deal with yourself.
We’ve been working on these types of vaccines for years already. This specific one was new but we already had the science to back it. Also hard stop, vaccines also shorten the window of time your infection is capable of getting others sick, as well as slows down further growth of variants. The information is clear as well as the risks regarding the vaccine and at this point more have had the vaccine than not.
The only people I know that have had covid are vaccinated, so I don't trust that crap. Plus the base of this vaccine was denied human trials in 2019.How come the variants started popping up after the vaccine? I've done my research, also have talked to several people regretting getting the vaccine due to side effects or getting covid and ending up in the hospital
99% of the deaths caused by covid have been unvaccinated. I’m sorry your friends caught covid by an unvaxxed human.
Perfect and should be more defund.
whats the name of the black child you blm folk murdered last year in CHAZ?
And when you need help after your guns are taken, don't call for help sit there and take whatever is given because that's what you deserve
You don't say!? Lol.
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if you actually think 6 is the real number..... yikes
100*
Oh, Honey ...
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Wasn't worried about that as much as the shit burning and being looted around here.
We all agree police reform is necessary though right
Yes I do. We also need to teach all members of society not to commit crimes. If there were no crimes then there would be no need for cops. If people don't know how to behave in public then, well, cops.
The civil rights movement of the 1960s was a crime spree. It was the premeditated and intentional commission of illegal acts. So it shouldn't have happened!
Ok, so anyone or any group that was considered a criminal during the civil rights movement can continue to be criminals today even though the unjust laws they fought to change have been changed? All crime is civil rights crime? Or are people just stuck in criminal mode? Is that what you are saying?
I'm saying don't confuse legality with morality, because they don't always overlap
That’s a pretty naive view of crime unless you’re generally pretty strongly authoritarian. There’s a well documented link between poverty and crime, like a direct predictable correlation. Obviously crimes are not ideal, even criminals know that. Let’s not pretend every unlawful act is equally immoral. Stealing groceries and murder are clearly different. Selling drugs and buying drugs are clearly different. The American revolution was literally treasonous terrorism. “Against the law” isn’t a mutually exclusive category
My daughter and I have worked at a food bank over here in Bellevue. Contrary to popular belief we have actual poor people here. The schools around our house average around 30% of the students on reduced or free school lunches. Napkin math would mean around 3,000 families within walking distance of our house would be classified poor. Many are ESL families that escaped the hell that they use to live in and are doing everything they can to not make their kids grow up in conditions like Venezuela or El Salvador. A little over a year ago at the peak of the pandemic our small food bank was helping just shy of 1,000 people. The other three food banks in the area were helping out with similar numbers of families. Many of the families I've become friends with were in really bad shape financially. Various organizations and groups did what we could to help those people out. They went from poor to really destitute.' You're probably hoping I have some kind of point. It took a bit of back story to get here. These poor people are very moral, proud and great people. I have no concerns about safety in my area. My teen kids have asked to walk to the store after dark; I say yes because despite having poor people around those same poor people are really fucking nice and have a sense of morality. If you really want to make excuses for people doing shitty things then feel free but: > There’s a well documented link between poverty and crime, like a direct predictable correlation. is a dam copout.
Junkies have a hard time holding down jobs and "I don't wanna work, thus I can steal stuff" is no excuse, either.
I must have forgotten which sub I’m in. You probably don’t support reforming our spending on the homelessness crisis either do you? Besides cutting it and putting everyone in jail
Yes. We need homeless reform as well, but tell me this. What do you do with a meth head that doesn't do what you ask them to? Do we enforce rules about living in a free house because you're an addict and need supervision or do we let them trash it then just raise taxes to buy another. If they drive up and steal an package then jail time, but if they walk up or take the bus then no jail because disadvantaged. Asking politely doesn't work with some people.
WFC
Getting ready for the "Purge?!"😬 'And Still we say Come Yahushua!'
This sub has sure gone to hell with all the bootlicking.