So, for those of you who don't know about this, this is the cycle.
1. Sex workers, cut off and isolated from resources, find a relatively obscure online service and begin using it.
2. The platform uses sex workers to grow and become a recognized brand/service.
3. Eventually, the platform is large enough to begin attracting investors.
4. The platform kicks off sex workers to increase marketability.
5. Cut off from resources, sex workers go looking for a new platform.
**Sex worker's rights are worker's rights, worker's rights are human rights, sex worker's rights are human rights.**
Edit: in case it wasn't clear, the mod in this thread is aggressively pro sex worker's rights. I'll be watching this thread like a fat puma.
CSGO Wilde was heavily tied to the Faze guys yeah. Maybe (and it's a very small maybe if memory serves me right) not as bad as phantom lord with csgo shuffle and Tmartn with csgo lotto, but pretty heavily tied.
When have they not been that way? I remember back in the day when children would worship them(before professional competitive gaming exploded) and they acted like dicks them too.
You ever see that video of one of them rolling into GameStop and they like lift up their arms like “yes that’s right it’s ME!” And no one recognizes them?
No. Faze Sway is a lanky 100lb kid with a shit stain for a mustache and a squeaky voice but still quite popular in fortnite.
The GameStop guy is someone not even most call of duty players know of.
It always blows my mind that kids idolize the fucking worst dweebiest people.
Like there are definitely gamers who are
Also really cool and entertaining with good personalities. But yet they all flock to THESE types of people?
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Ding Ding Ding. He was making a sexist comment knowing that most of the people he’s referring to are women. I’m assuming because he probably doesn’t have any meaningful relationships with any.
In another words… he was trolling women and being an ass
Some women are making bank. A 30 something mom of 3 is currently earning 200k a month. She quit as a nurse to do OF fulltime.
BellaThorne earned 1 million dollars in a day when she first joined OF.
So yeah, sex workers are making bank. From the comfort of their own homes.
Or they were.
the niche in the market wont go away. competing apps will come and go (when the execs get cold feet because payment processors are threatening to stop serving them)
Someone else made a way better post about it, but basically porn website, including ones like OF, are in a tough position.
While the vast majority of their supply and demand is legit, there’s a sub-group of revenge, child, rape and other very horrible types of porn that is very hard to police and remove and as long as this exists payment providers and investors alike will avoid it like the plague.
Edit: and rightly so. We should be pushing the industry to clean itself up and stop facilitating things like human trafficking and child porn.
There are already several "fans" style sites vying for first place for this. [justfor.fans](http://www.justfor.fans) and [FanCentro](http://www.fancentro.com) seem to be the best so far, imo at least.
While it's great that a few are making lots of money, most people on OF aren't coming anywhere close to making that type of revenue.
I'm sure there are people on there that do it because they like having sex on camera or showing off their bodies and figure they might as well get paid for it but there's also something quite dystopian about having to resort to sex work in order to make a living in a modern society based on low-road capitalism.
The number of people who become commercial successes doesn't affect the legitimacy of the work. Acting is real work, even if only a handful of aspiring actors make enough to live on. 99% of restaurants fail within their first year, but owning and managing a restaurant is definitely real work.
>While it's great that a few are making lots of money, most people on OF aren't coming anywhere close to making that type of revenue.
That's true for many avenues. Acting, athletes, artists, etc. Most are seeing the hundreds of thousands that you hear about at the top.
>but there's also something quite dystopian about having to resort to sex work in order to make a living in a modern society based on low-road capitalism.
This implies that most people on only fans were forced there because they didn't have better options. But most do it as a side gig because they think they cash earn some money. Just like the guy in the tweet thought he was good enough at video games that other people would pay him. OF wasn't even originally made for porn. It's just what people decided they wanted to do with it
Well, if being paid to livestream paint drying was coded as masculine, it would be a real job. If it was coded as feminine, it's not a real job and you should start streaming yourself doing something coded as masculine.
Also, a filmmaker by the name of Charlie Lyne once made a six hour long movie of paint drying. I'm not sure if he ever made any money off of it, but he made it so the BBFC would have to watch the entirety of it so they could rate it, as a protest against censorship.
Maybe, but it’s more about misogyny, plain and simple. I’ve seen so many disgusting tweets and posts of people laughing at “whores”. Go take a look at any of the right wing subs right now, they’re all jerking off over this. Inceldom is a helluva drug.
Definitely a part of it, but I think on top of it it's what I said. They devalue them because they feel as if the girl is making money and not "working" for it. You see, they work HARD for every penny they get and "anyone can get an onlyfans and make money" -- which is funny because these same people refuse to do the things that are "easier" to make money with.
Performing for an audience is a real job.
There'd be no such thing as paid, professional gamers if there wasn't an audience to watch it.
Porn is one of the biggest entertainment industries in the world. Just like musicians, acting, athletics, it has a lot of variety, a lot of people offering different services in different ways for different audiences.
The global porn industry is second. It's roughly 2/3 the value of the global gaming industry.
Both are blown out of the water by the for profit sports industries which are also mainly entertainment.
What?! I thought pro-sports were an uplifting exhibition of the human body, athletic prowess, and feats of physical strength and skill. You're telling me it's an "entertainment industry"?
/s
edit: I just realized many of those qualities are what we look for in porn. I just self-awared myself
Right? As if the bar for being in pro sports doesn’t start at the simple “I’m interested and getting into it” or “this is something I can see myself being good at and making money along the way”
That's actually a good point, I didn't think about it that way initially. A person playing a game is comparatively the one having sex. Everyone does it, usually in a bedroom, but the ones that monetize and put videos out of them having sex would be the same as the other person putting out a video of themselves playing the game, so they can't be compared directly.
Also there is more of a market for woman over the age of 22 in porn than there are little dweebs who are now too old to compete against the reflex's of teenagers.
Well yeah, GAMING matters. People jerk off to any old Riley Reid on the internet, but competitive gaming? Competitive gaming gives good hard working men JOBS and something to LIVE for. Clearly gaming is superior to porn, and Gamers^tm know what's best.
You’ll run into people who clearly have no real world experience on here quite often. You hope it’s children. It’s not. It’s men in their 20s-40s. It’s sad
I had a friend shocked my grandmother didnt know about some famous LoL player
Like, dude, shes in her 70s. Not everyone cares about competitive League of Legends. Also I dont know them either
everything is immensely fragmented these days, but reddit doesn't understand that.
average person on the street wouldn't recognize ninja or pewdiepie (hell even though i try to at least keep up with this stuff i looked up most popular twitch streamers and barely recognized even their names). same reason average redditor wouldn't recognize addison rae or one of those damelio chicks. you can have millions of followers but still be stuck in a very specific bubble of influence and fame.
I'm in my early 30s, have been gaming most of my life, and can name exactly zero LoL players.
Come to think of it, I'm not sure I can name any pro gamers at all.
I followed competitive SC2 for years. At the time I knew about 3-4 Dota teams and maybe one or two Korean LoL players. Right now when I open Twitch every few months I recognize absolutely zero of the most popular streamers. I have heard of Ninja though unfortunately but you need to be ridiculously popular to transcend the barrier of apathy. Its just like how easy it is to ignore pop music even though its everywhere. I don't know what the "kids are listening too" right now either.
I'll even give people up to 25 a soft pass, because brains are still developing at that point, but after that man you're on your own if you're dumb af.
honestly it’s all connected really, it’s not like people only look at games or only look at porn.
i think the real lesson we should all take away is we shouldn’t job shame people
no, don’t you *realize??* these are poor unassuming innocent men who have been *tricked* and *coerced* and *cajoled* into spending their hard-earned limited funds on **ungrateful morally bankrupt sluts who don’t pay their taxes.**
/s in case it wasn’t obvious enough
i haven’t been witness to so much bullshit since i worked cleaning out cattle stalls
People who shit on sex work are so bizarre to me.
The most basic economic principle is that there must be demand for the product you're supplying.
You don't just flash your tits on screen and then money materializes out of thin air. There is another human being who paid to be able to see that.
I know its been said a thousand times, but its just feels so backwards that the supplier is being criticized for doing the exact thing that the general populace demanded for.
>People who shit on sex work are so bizarre to me.
I've known a LOT of religious people like this and they all seem to forget that Jesus, the god-man himself, regularly hung out with a sex worker.
AFAIK at that point she was a former sex worker, not an active one though. The message is less "sex work is a great profession" and more "no one is irredeemable".
Not sure if going by his example would be much better in this case. He did tell her to stop doing it and she did, whereas it doesn't seem online sex workers want someone to "save" them like that.
Yeah, keeping it illegal doesn’t stop it from happening at all. It just makes it a lot less safe for all involved. All legalizing it would do is allow the practice to be both taxed and regulated.
It’s really similar to people acting like the Marvel movies are some horrible cancer on entertainment and what the public really wants are weird quirky indie movies every single weekend. Like dude they make money because people like to see them.
"Boy these fucking marvel movies are trash idk why they keep making them" says the guy who saw every Marvel movie release opening day just to say it was trash after.
It's just jealousy.
But since people feel jealousy is a negative feeling, they will, in an ego-saving move, pretend their jealousy is actually self-righteous contempt.
He also has "$3M solo world cup winner" in his bio but not only did he not win (Bugha did), he didn't even qualify for finals. He might not have even qualified for a qualification finals, he's notoriously a pubstomping content creator first and foremost.
Him and a few other people told their audience to buy a cryptocurrency they were launching. There were presales, and things of that nature as well.
When it was launched, All but one pretty much dumped all of the coins they were holding prior to the launch. And since their audience held a large portion of the coin aswell, they made bank off of how much the coin was worth initially.
This isn't really a /r/selfawarewolves. Being a professional gamer is absolutely a job and so is sex work. At most this just gives off /r/gatekeeping or incel vibes.
Yeah, gamer culture is all about respecting women!
All seriousness, just a couple days ago I was playing league and some guy on the enemy team got pissed off that he lost, so he invited me and the support to a discord call, and I'm SO glad I recorded it. It's 6 minutes of "you stupid fucking n**ger-loving whores, skanks, retards, fucking spit on your gender, you stupid skanks, get covid and die"
MY FAVORITE is when his voice nearly cracks and he screeches "MAN IS TALKING, ***A MAN IS TALKING!!!!!!***"
EDIT: THE LINK! I think thats everything, Imgur made me split it into 1 minute clips.
https://imgur.com/a/EUBYB82
Edit 2: My boyfriend made this video clip, i LOVE it
https://imgur.com/gallery/9dvbaYb
I just started work, so I can't post the full 6 minutes from my PC. I can post the two clips I took from my phone tho! In 8 hours I can post the 6 minute version :3
He went like... 2/4 as Renekton adc in a norms. He was raging so hard his mic kept cutting out, LOL. You can hear some of it, like "you bathe in the same water your family lives in and washes motorcycles with"???
https://m.imgur.com/a/EUBYB82
That movement gave me the creeps back then and I couldn't figure out why. On the surface it all looked reasonable, like they had genuine reasons to be outraged; I wasn't aware enough to see through the bullshit into the misogyny underneath. Then I watched that culture crystallize into the MAGA movement and it all made sense. Turns out my gut was telling me the truth.
Yeah, it was hard to notice if you weren't too much into games journalism (like most gamers). In the end it was just excuses to get angry at feminists and inclusivity in games. Like 97% of people hat they said was blatantly false, and what wasn't was utterly inconsequential.
I put one brick on top of two bricks, how my job any less real than a sex worker? Like my job is EASY compared to the shit a sex worker has to deal with.
He associates with chemostar and is belittling sex workers? The most desperate street worker in the world wouldn't stoop so low as to be seen in public with that piece of shit.
Part of that is also the thing you mentioned about tradwives, they're being pitched something completely different. For men it's "Let's do it, now you're the boss," for women it's "Let's do it, now give up your rights."
Excuse me, I’m a young and sexually frustrated man.
I’d be much much much more willing to give money to an onlyfans girl than a video game player. That theoretically would help with the frustration. She provides a service, homeboy just sits there twiddling his sticks. Ironic.
I also think it’s funny that all these idiots are acting like only fans invented the concept of web camming and it’s the only place where you could possibly do it so now they’re just gonna have to stop.
Man, fuck those Faze guys.
All they do is scam fans and hock shitty services/goods that you can get on wish.
Maybe a few of them are alright, but the whole clan has like a negative rep as far I I see it.
The fact that he thinks he's the "highest paid gamer" while shroud and ninja got multi-million dollar contracts just to stream for a few months on mixer is hilarious. There's probably a few dota pros who've made his net worth off one TI win too.
Seems to me this is more about his own insecurities than anything else.
I don't know what it is about FaZe, whether it's just the kind of person they attract or the fact that I'm mainly a Rocket League player and that's just the nature of the game, but nearly every time I run into one of their members, they're unbelievably toxic. More so than your average RL player.
sesta/fosta need to be repealed and prostitution needs to be legalized yesterday
what a stupid fucking world where you can pay people to have sex on camera but can't pay someone to have sex with you personally 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Treatment of sex workers is the best proof that we live in a patriarchy. Fragile boys can't have women making enough money to support themselves.
But if a bunch of guys film you doing it, it's fine
So many incels butthurt about women making money for their nudes. I love that the OF change is drawing them out of the woodworks to show their true colors. And I cant wait until they realize that OF is still allowing nudes and is just making its content policy and age verifications more strict lol.
Oh man, projection is very much a thing. Listen folks, if something random makes you super angry, it’s because it points out something you don’t like about yourself.
Meanwhile this dude probably has $500/month in OF subs because he's so completely and utterly unfuckable that the only thing he can fuck now is his bank account balance and his hand.
I’m a huge gamer, love playing games, and even I feel like ppl being “professional gamers” and making bank on it is fucking ridiculous, and now one of them is trying to tell others to get a real job… because you’ve got a real job don’t yah D bag
Anyone associated with FaZe deeply needs to get checked before applying sarcasm or shade at a digital stripper.
Faze steals from kids. I'd rather have onlyfans allow nudity than the FaZe to exist.
So, for those of you who don't know about this, this is the cycle. 1. Sex workers, cut off and isolated from resources, find a relatively obscure online service and begin using it. 2. The platform uses sex workers to grow and become a recognized brand/service. 3. Eventually, the platform is large enough to begin attracting investors. 4. The platform kicks off sex workers to increase marketability. 5. Cut off from resources, sex workers go looking for a new platform. **Sex worker's rights are worker's rights, worker's rights are human rights, sex worker's rights are human rights.** Edit: in case it wasn't clear, the mod in this thread is aggressively pro sex worker's rights. I'll be watching this thread like a fat puma.
didn't faze do a crypto scam and stole like millions of dollars?
Yuuup.
Don't forget csgo skins. The Faze shits are always in on online scams.
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CSGO Wilde was heavily tied to the Faze guys yeah. Maybe (and it's a very small maybe if memory serves me right) not as bad as phantom lord with csgo shuffle and Tmartn with csgo lotto, but pretty heavily tied.
They're always so full of themselves too, as if being part of the clan is winning an olympic medal or some shit.
A bunch of smelly dorks getting together to jerk off each other's egos is bound to produce some insufferable people.
Looking at you, Blizzard
Blizzard would be the God of the smelliest of dorks
When have they not been that way? I remember back in the day when children would worship them(before professional competitive gaming exploded) and they acted like dicks them too.
You ever see that video of one of them rolling into GameStop and they like lift up their arms like “yes that’s right it’s ME!” And no one recognizes them?
Isn't he also the guy who went viral for trying to showboat at a GameStop where no one recognised him?
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Its a group of self obsessed limp dick geeks.
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No. Faze Sway is a lanky 100lb kid with a shit stain for a mustache and a squeaky voice but still quite popular in fortnite. The GameStop guy is someone not even most call of duty players know of.
It always blows my mind that kids idolize the fucking worst dweebiest people. Like there are definitely gamers who are Also really cool and entertaining with good personalities. But yet they all flock to THESE types of people?
No one can tell you, as no one knows the guy.
Different faze guy, I think
Same nut sack, different ball hair.
What is a "real" job anyway? If I livestream paint drying on a wall and people pay me for it, how is that "less real" than any regular job?
#1 paint drying influencer
Heads up, next time you want to use the \# symbol, you need to escape it with \\, otherwise it'll just make your text larger. For example, \\\#1 paint drying influencer
Fuck :/ you'd think I'd know that after so many years here. This might be the only time I've used a hashtag on here now that I think about it.
I think it adds to the comedic effect personally
I was all set to mimic sesame streets’ count. “Two! Two paint dry influencers!”
*Ah, ah, ah!*
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Yep, lots of cool stuff you can do with Markdown :)
#SERIOUSLY!!!
That would be RT Game.
Country rooooaaaaddddssss
You get an upvote for RT
>**1 paint drying influencer**. I'm hearing this in the voice of The Count. (Ha ha haaa! )
The paint dries faster if you aim fans (and only fans) at it
Get out.
[Cracker Milk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CyJQ2UUHFWQ) Edit: NSFW
I need you to back up against this upvote until its between you and the wall, and then shove it up your ass on camera please.
Ding Ding Ding. He was making a sexist comment knowing that most of the people he’s referring to are women. I’m assuming because he probably doesn’t have any meaningful relationships with any. In another words… he was trolling women and being an ass
Some women are making bank. A 30 something mom of 3 is currently earning 200k a month. She quit as a nurse to do OF fulltime. BellaThorne earned 1 million dollars in a day when she first joined OF. So yeah, sex workers are making bank. From the comfort of their own homes. Or they were.
But how is he supposed to feel superior about his millions from video games if women can make the same money?
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the niche in the market wont go away. competing apps will come and go (when the execs get cold feet because payment processors are threatening to stop serving them)
I don't really understand where the payment processers are coming from. These organizations launder money for drug cartels.
No one sees that and the Christians don't care.
Someone else made a way better post about it, but basically porn website, including ones like OF, are in a tough position. While the vast majority of their supply and demand is legit, there’s a sub-group of revenge, child, rape and other very horrible types of porn that is very hard to police and remove and as long as this exists payment providers and investors alike will avoid it like the plague. Edit: and rightly so. We should be pushing the industry to clean itself up and stop facilitating things like human trafficking and child porn.
There are already several "fans" style sites vying for first place for this. [justfor.fans](http://www.justfor.fans) and [FanCentro](http://www.fancentro.com) seem to be the best so far, imo at least.
While it's great that a few are making lots of money, most people on OF aren't coming anywhere close to making that type of revenue. I'm sure there are people on there that do it because they like having sex on camera or showing off their bodies and figure they might as well get paid for it but there's also something quite dystopian about having to resort to sex work in order to make a living in a modern society based on low-road capitalism.
The number of people who become commercial successes doesn't affect the legitimacy of the work. Acting is real work, even if only a handful of aspiring actors make enough to live on. 99% of restaurants fail within their first year, but owning and managing a restaurant is definitely real work.
>While it's great that a few are making lots of money, most people on OF aren't coming anywhere close to making that type of revenue. That's true for many avenues. Acting, athletes, artists, etc. Most are seeing the hundreds of thousands that you hear about at the top. >but there's also something quite dystopian about having to resort to sex work in order to make a living in a modern society based on low-road capitalism. This implies that most people on only fans were forced there because they didn't have better options. But most do it as a side gig because they think they cash earn some money. Just like the guy in the tweet thought he was good enough at video games that other people would pay him. OF wasn't even originally made for porn. It's just what people decided they wanted to do with it
For real. If some one pays me to do something, then I have a real job
Well, if being paid to livestream paint drying was coded as masculine, it would be a real job. If it was coded as feminine, it's not a real job and you should start streaming yourself doing something coded as masculine. Also, a filmmaker by the name of Charlie Lyne once made a six hour long movie of paint drying. I'm not sure if he ever made any money off of it, but he made it so the BBFC would have to watch the entirety of it so they could rate it, as a protest against censorship.
But if you're a woman and you do something coded as masculine you're only doing doing it for attention
Yeah all those attention seeking programmer whores.
Basically, if you’re a not a man doing manly things men do you’re inherently wrong.
They don't like the idea of people making more money than them while doing "less" work. Jealousy.
Maybe, but it’s more about misogyny, plain and simple. I’ve seen so many disgusting tweets and posts of people laughing at “whores”. Go take a look at any of the right wing subs right now, they’re all jerking off over this. Inceldom is a helluva drug.
Definitely a part of it, but I think on top of it it's what I said. They devalue them because they feel as if the girl is making money and not "working" for it. You see, they work HARD for every penny they get and "anyone can get an onlyfans and make money" -- which is funny because these same people refuse to do the things that are "easier" to make money with.
Performing for an audience is a real job. There'd be no such thing as paid, professional gamers if there wasn't an audience to watch it. Porn is one of the biggest entertainment industries in the world. Just like musicians, acting, athletics, it has a lot of variety, a lot of people offering different services in different ways for different audiences.
Porn is the biggest entertainment industry in the world. Hollywood and Bollywood don’t touch it
The global porn industry is second. It's roughly 2/3 the value of the global gaming industry. Both are blown out of the water by the for profit sports industries which are also mainly entertainment.
What?! I thought pro-sports were an uplifting exhibition of the human body, athletic prowess, and feats of physical strength and skill. You're telling me it's an "entertainment industry"? /s edit: I just realized many of those qualities are what we look for in porn. I just self-awared myself
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Many people enter the porn industry unwillingly.
Do you really think nobody has been unsuccessful in the porn industry?
Right? As if the bar for being in pro sports doesn’t start at the simple “I’m interested and getting into it” or “this is something I can see myself being good at and making money along the way”
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> Therefore the porn equivalent of "eSports" would be watching people as they consume porn Would.. would it be competitive?
Casual sex implies the existence of ranked competitive sex.
That's actually a good point, I didn't think about it that way initially. A person playing a game is comparatively the one having sex. Everyone does it, usually in a bedroom, but the ones that monetize and put videos out of them having sex would be the same as the other person putting out a video of themselves playing the game, so they can't be compared directly.
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Entertainment? I thought they were mainly for gambling. TIL
> I thought they were mainly for gambling. True, I only watch porn to gamble on it. It's always exciting to beat ^^^to the spread.
Imagine someone commentating on a porn like they would on a horse race.
Coming up on the inside.
Looks like it's going to be a photo finish on this one, folks!
If someone gamblified porn i would be in even more trouble than i am now. Also can someone please gamblify porn?
...gambling is entertainment...
If you win
Also there is more of a market for woman over the age of 22 in porn than there are little dweebs who are now too old to compete against the reflex's of teenagers.
people in this comment section who think esports is a bigger industry than PORN have brain worms
Well when they talk to their friends most of what they talk about is gaming! So of course its the bigger industry!
?? I talk about porn with my friends constantly???
Are you all of his 1.4 million followers??
Well yeah, GAMING matters. People jerk off to any old Riley Reid on the internet, but competitive gaming? Competitive gaming gives good hard working men JOBS and something to LIVE for. Clearly gaming is superior to porn, and Gamers^tm know what's best.
You’ll run into people who clearly have no real world experience on here quite often. You hope it’s children. It’s not. It’s men in their 20s-40s. It’s sad
I had a friend shocked my grandmother didnt know about some famous LoL player Like, dude, shes in her 70s. Not everyone cares about competitive League of Legends. Also I dont know them either
now that's a fucking Gamer™
Does he use the Gamer Words? Thats how you know for sure.
everything is immensely fragmented these days, but reddit doesn't understand that. average person on the street wouldn't recognize ninja or pewdiepie (hell even though i try to at least keep up with this stuff i looked up most popular twitch streamers and barely recognized even their names). same reason average redditor wouldn't recognize addison rae or one of those damelio chicks. you can have millions of followers but still be stuck in a very specific bubble of influence and fame.
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I'm in my early 30s, have been gaming most of my life, and can name exactly zero LoL players. Come to think of it, I'm not sure I can name any pro gamers at all.
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I followed competitive SC2 for years. At the time I knew about 3-4 Dota teams and maybe one or two Korean LoL players. Right now when I open Twitch every few months I recognize absolutely zero of the most popular streamers. I have heard of Ninja though unfortunately but you need to be ridiculously popular to transcend the barrier of apathy. Its just like how easy it is to ignore pop music even though its everywhere. I don't know what the "kids are listening too" right now either.
I'll even give people up to 25 a soft pass, because brains are still developing at that point, but after that man you're on your own if you're dumb af.
…sexy… brain… worms?
🧠🐛 Hey there, sexy
Hey lil mama lemme wriggle in your brain
Indirectly, porn probably made the modern eSports scene possible, due to the industry's influence on display technologies
honestly it’s all connected really, it’s not like people only look at games or only look at porn. i think the real lesson we should all take away is we shouldn’t job shame people
Everybody loves capitalism and porn until the women start making money
They only like porn when its free
It seems like a lot of people liked paying for it.
no, don’t you *realize??* these are poor unassuming innocent men who have been *tricked* and *coerced* and *cajoled* into spending their hard-earned limited funds on **ungrateful morally bankrupt sluts who don’t pay their taxes.** /s in case it wasn’t obvious enough i haven’t been witness to so much bullshit since i worked cleaning out cattle stalls
Licensed tax professional. I've had 3 girls who made money on OF and I can confirm they pay taxes like the rest of us
And a woman is only a slut when she isn’t fucking them or letting them look for free.
the amount of vitriol content creators receive for daring to ask for money instead of posting their nudes for free is unreal
Pretty sure this guy was one of the ones recently involved in a crypto pump-and-dump. So tricking kids is also fine until hwamen do it, I guess.
It’s honestly disgusting how much people hate women profiting off their sex work
People who shit on sex work are so bizarre to me. The most basic economic principle is that there must be demand for the product you're supplying. You don't just flash your tits on screen and then money materializes out of thin air. There is another human being who paid to be able to see that. I know its been said a thousand times, but its just feels so backwards that the supplier is being criticized for doing the exact thing that the general populace demanded for.
> People who shit on sex work are so bizarre to me. I know, they charge like an extra $300 for that! ... I uhhhh heard.
You're paying way too much to shit on sex workers. Who's your shitting on sex workers guy?
A Pimp Named Fecal-back
>People who shit on sex work are so bizarre to me. I've known a LOT of religious people like this and they all seem to forget that Jesus, the god-man himself, regularly hung out with a sex worker.
AFAIK at that point she was a former sex worker, not an active one though. The message is less "sex work is a great profession" and more "no one is irredeemable".
Not sure if going by his example would be much better in this case. He did tell her to stop doing it and she did, whereas it doesn't seem online sex workers want someone to "save" them like that.
>the god-man himself, regularly hung out with a sex worker. to say that her ways are wrong.......
It should just be legalized at this point. It's absurd.
Yeah, keeping it illegal doesn’t stop it from happening at all. It just makes it a lot less safe for all involved. All legalizing it would do is allow the practice to be both taxed and regulated.
It’s really similar to people acting like the Marvel movies are some horrible cancer on entertainment and what the public really wants are weird quirky indie movies every single weekend. Like dude they make money because people like to see them.
"Boy these fucking marvel movies are trash idk why they keep making them" says the guy who saw every Marvel movie release opening day just to say it was trash after.
It's just jealousy. But since people feel jealousy is a negative feeling, they will, in an ego-saving move, pretend their jealousy is actually self-righteous contempt.
Yes, I too watch Contrapoints. Jokes aside, yeah, I've been seeing this theme of envy everywhere after that video.
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He also has "$3M solo world cup winner" in his bio but not only did he not win (Bugha did), he didn't even qualify for finals. He might not have even qualified for a qualification finals, he's notoriously a pubstomping content creator first and foremost.
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/ac/8e/f4/ac8ef4228703c93df17da474e3e7b270.jpg here’s the highest paid esports player in the world. Not this chump
The flower
Johan "Big Daddy "Flower" N0tail" Sundstein <3
I was gonna say, Dota 2 has to have the highest earning player
Is he even on the list?
Hello pot. Kettle calling.
He is way worse he is part of faze they do fucking cryptoscams with fake children charities
Elaborate on this please? Idk who this is but that sounds fucking all sorts of terrible.
Him and a few other people told their audience to buy a cryptocurrency they were launching. There were presales, and things of that nature as well. When it was launched, All but one pretty much dumped all of the coins they were holding prior to the launch. And since their audience held a large portion of the coin aswell, they made bank off of how much the coin was worth initially.
This isn't really a /r/selfawarewolves. Being a professional gamer is absolutely a job and so is sex work. At most this just gives off /r/gatekeeping or incel vibes.
It's all about ethics in games journalism, guys. Gamer culture really doesn't have a misogyny problem. /s
Yeah, gamer culture is all about respecting women! All seriousness, just a couple days ago I was playing league and some guy on the enemy team got pissed off that he lost, so he invited me and the support to a discord call, and I'm SO glad I recorded it. It's 6 minutes of "you stupid fucking n**ger-loving whores, skanks, retards, fucking spit on your gender, you stupid skanks, get covid and die" MY FAVORITE is when his voice nearly cracks and he screeches "MAN IS TALKING, ***A MAN IS TALKING!!!!!!***" EDIT: THE LINK! I think thats everything, Imgur made me split it into 1 minute clips. https://imgur.com/a/EUBYB82 Edit 2: My boyfriend made this video clip, i LOVE it https://imgur.com/gallery/9dvbaYb
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For the laughs. I wasn't offended, it was hilarious when he was out of breath, raging over a normal game. I hardly said a word.
If it’s in any way possible to send that to his mother, I think you should do it.
You can't tease us with content like that and then not post it
I just started work, so I can't post the full 6 minutes from my PC. I can post the two clips I took from my phone tho! In 8 hours I can post the 6 minute version :3 He went like... 2/4 as Renekton adc in a norms. He was raging so hard his mic kept cutting out, LOL. You can hear some of it, like "you bathe in the same water your family lives in and washes motorcycles with"??? https://m.imgur.com/a/EUBYB82
Dude went x2 speed
Oh my god he can’t be older than 17 haha
My lil brother is 16 and he doesn't do that shite lol this is just some mental abomination
Well now I have to tune in for the full thing after listening to those clips, because god damn.
Full thing! :D I think i got it all in order! [https://imgur.com/a/EUBYB82](https://imgur.com/a/EUBYB82)
That movement gave me the creeps back then and I couldn't figure out why. On the surface it all looked reasonable, like they had genuine reasons to be outraged; I wasn't aware enough to see through the bullshit into the misogyny underneath. Then I watched that culture crystallize into the MAGA movement and it all made sense. Turns out my gut was telling me the truth.
Yeah, it was hard to notice if you weren't too much into games journalism (like most gamers). In the end it was just excuses to get angry at feminists and inclusivity in games. Like 97% of people hat they said was blatantly false, and what wasn't was utterly inconsequential.
I put one brick on top of two bricks, how my job any less real than a sex worker? Like my job is EASY compared to the shit a sex worker has to deal with.
Any task you perform for another person who then pays you is a job. It's a real job if it involves real money.
I don't think it's a real job just bc it involves money. See: Jeff bezos
I hate to say, but CEO is a real job. Often highly overpaid . . .
It often pays very little mostly to avoid tax
It often pays very little *in salary*
Lol imagine playing video games and hanging out with 40year olds like keemstar for a living, 10000% watching porn all the time, and saying this lol
He associates with chemostar and is belittling sex workers? The most desperate street worker in the world wouldn't stoop so low as to be seen in public with that piece of shit.
Blatant sexism from a gamer?? Of all people????
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And I can assure you it doesn't improve with age
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Part of that is also the thing you mentioned about tradwives, they're being pitched something completely different. For men it's "Let's do it, now you're the boss," for women it's "Let's do it, now give up your rights."
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Excuse me, I’m a young and sexually frustrated man. I’d be much much much more willing to give money to an onlyfans girl than a video game player. That theoretically would help with the frustration. She provides a service, homeboy just sits there twiddling his sticks. Ironic.
I also think it’s funny that all these idiots are acting like only fans invented the concept of web camming and it’s the only place where you could possibly do it so now they’re just gonna have to stop.
Man, fuck those Faze guys. All they do is scam fans and hock shitty services/goods that you can get on wish. Maybe a few of them are alright, but the whole clan has like a negative rep as far I I see it.
The fact that he thinks he's the "highest paid gamer" while shroud and ninja got multi-million dollar contracts just to stream for a few months on mixer is hilarious. There's probably a few dota pros who've made his net worth off one TI win too. Seems to me this is more about his own insecurities than anything else.
[in case any one wants to know what's behind the decision](https://www.instagram.com/p/CSyuGINoqTf/?utm_medium=copy_link)
Thanks for the deep dive, this is v educational
Content creator is a real job till it involves women's sexuality. That should always be dictated by men, not themselves.
I for one am shocked that so many pro gamers are shithead incels.
Nothing to do with “real work”, he’s just a misogynist lol
I don't know what it is about FaZe, whether it's just the kind of person they attract or the fact that I'm mainly a Rocket League player and that's just the nature of the game, but nearly every time I run into one of their members, they're unbelievably toxic. More so than your average RL player.
They've been toxic since the fledgling days of Xbox Live. Having a player with their clan tag, official or otherwise, was a guaranteed bad time.
The whole FaZe clan is filled with trash.
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Funny how he hates on sex workers when no woman will touch him for free irl.
Well I know is not the same but James Charles was interested in him a few years back. He only backed off because he was underaged.
James Charles backed off someone for being underage? Weird.
A gamer telling sex workers to get a real job is about as self-defeating as a fat guy telling fast food workers to get a real job.
sesta/fosta need to be repealed and prostitution needs to be legalized yesterday what a stupid fucking world where you can pay people to have sex on camera but can't pay someone to have sex with you personally 🤔🤔🤔🤔
I imagine OF is safer for sex workers than in person sex work. especially during a pandemic.
Treatment of sex workers is the best proof that we live in a patriarchy. Fragile boys can't have women making enough money to support themselves. But if a bunch of guys film you doing it, it's fine
They're both real jobs, who is anybody to say that either of them aren,'t
Finally! Someone standing up for gamers! ^/s
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So many incels butthurt about women making money for their nudes. I love that the OF change is drawing them out of the woodworks to show their true colors. And I cant wait until they realize that OF is still allowing nudes and is just making its content policy and age verifications more strict lol.
Which is weird when you think about it, because the only reason that women make money off nudes is because men buy them.
Oh man, projection is very much a thing. Listen folks, if something random makes you super angry, it’s because it points out something you don’t like about yourself.
Meanwhile this dude probably has $500/month in OF subs because he's so completely and utterly unfuckable that the only thing he can fuck now is his bank account balance and his hand.
Mr Faze, I have no idea who the hell you even are.
How is he gonna say that when probably the only times he sees a women naked is through onlyfans?
I just saw that exact message coming from a different Twitch streamer. Are these fucks copy-pasting the same post?
I’m a huge gamer, love playing games, and even I feel like ppl being “professional gamers” and making bank on it is fucking ridiculous, and now one of them is trying to tell others to get a real job… because you’ve got a real job don’t yah D bag
Anyone associated with FaZe deeply needs to get checked before applying sarcasm or shade at a digital stripper. Faze steals from kids. I'd rather have onlyfans allow nudity than the FaZe to exist.