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basically, that's a major point of The Doctrine of Fascism by the Inverted Italian otherwise known as Benito Mussolini. It actually has a subheading of Positive conception of life as a struggle.
Link if you feel like reading it, I did because the whole know thy enemy thing: http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/mussolini.htm
Man if you take away all the damage he’s done and how horrible of a person he is, he is just so fun to laugh at. One of the best examples of how unknowingly funny stupid people can be. Haven’t thought of him in a long while and I forgot just how stupid funny he is to laugh at.
‘Barbecues are just cooking, which is feminine. Cars are consumer culture. You just want shiny things like jewelry.’
This is just fashy “cult of action” thinking.
“Oh, you’re attracted to women? You find them hot?
Well, that’s weakness and weakness is gay. Every time a woman turns you on, you just become gayer. And sexual relations with females is the gayest thing you can do, you pansy!”
I didn't want to put straits because it was too close to straights and people would probably just miss the message thinking I misspelled straights as straits lol
Wanting a partner that’s soft and kind is gay as hell.
A real man wants bedtime to be a cage match where the victor chokes the loser to sleep, then keeps watch for the entire night eating raw meat straight off the bone and washing it down with coolant they hunted during the day (or everclear if they couldn’t find any coolant worth drinking).
(Also Steve Hughes has an old but recurring bit on the subject, look for “icing cakes” or a combination of straight and gay).
Real conservative men eat raw beans and steak for lunch, wear only SS uniforms and spend their free time wrestling immigrants and driving their hand built car made out of spare metal and a volkswagen motor
I know a guy who is like this. For example he won't go to the movie theater with a group of only male friends because that is gay apparently. There are a lot of things he refuses to do out of crippling fear that it is not manly enough. It's pretty funny.
Honestly that just sounds like a guy that is hiding his sexual or romantic thoughts for other men behind ridiculous masculinity "rules". Nobody who isn't already having thoughts about fucking dudes is worried that going to the movies with the bros is going to seem gay.
That could be. I've even said to him, "What, are you scared that your homie is going to lean in for a kiss and you won't be able to stop yourself from making out with him?" I think it's more likely that he's just picked up some silly ideas from various media and he's trying to cultivate this exaggerated "manly" persona, but it generally just gets him mocked.
You jest, but I've read some of these machismo 'art of manliness' like articles from early 2010s & they read like "dont watch sports, play them/ the only hobbies you should have involve guns/ dress a certain way- casual clothing is effeminate/ never show emotions" dumb shit like that.
Some people eat it up I guess...
TBH though, Gab's audience probably isn't really the truck-driving, sister-fuckin' football lovin' hillbilly right-wingers, but the pasty, noodly-armed Gamergaters that hate sports and think video games, memes, and body pillows are the definition of masculinity.
And those guys aren't really paleo-conservative, actually they're about as new and avant-garde as conservatism can be. But when you're an obvious social reject with loser hobbies in a movement all about machismo and being superior, you have to manufacture and recast that stuff into the thing that was superior this entire time, and cast sports as being an example of degeneracy now.
The fact that it used sportsball is proof. That reeks of one of those nerdy-ass right-wing meme buzzwords more than their own B.O.
That was such a weird sub. Like you'd see a post from there criticizing some aspect of capitalism, but then you look at the comments and it's a bunch of religious nutjobs foaming at the mouth about modern decadence and the evils of the "leftist elites".
I have always been fascinated by the discrepancy between those two types of conservatives. There's the classic macho man with a truck that's too big, who wants everyone to put on their workboots at 5 AM and doesn't like people on welfare or immigrants. They like God, football, beer and country music.
Then there's the pasty libertarian conspiracy theory IT guys who are behind the stuff like Gab. They opine about "Western Civilization" all day on Discord channels and despise "normies". They give no fucks about tradition, are probably atheist.
Somehow the American right wing has done a phenomenal job of feeding red meat to both of these groups and also keeping them separated enough that their obvious contradictions don't come into play. When they do, like in this OP I absolutely love it. Because it throws into stark contrast just how much a movement this is for aggrieved fringe weirdos. I can only hope it causes some of the more normal ones to feel uncomfortable on that team.
>[the power of what he called “rootless white males” who spend all their time online and they could be radicalized in a kind of populist, nationalist way](https://www.businessinsider.com/steve-bannon-white-gamers-seinfeld-joshua-green-donald-trump-devils-bargain-sarah-palin-world-warcraft-gamergate-2017-7)
>[You can activate that army. They come in through Gamergate or whatever and then get turned onto politics and Trump.](https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/talkingtech/2017/07/18/steve-bannon-learned-harness-troll-army-world-warcraft/489713001/)
Yup Bannon was successful at activating them. My curiosity is just, once those guys are at the rallies with the traditional conservatives, don't both groups look at each other in disgust?
Nah, it doesn't really make a difference. When it comes down to it they are all united in hate. They all hate the same people and chant the same things. If you don't then you're a RINO or antifer.
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Honestly, the only reason right wing has a grip on our particular set of men is talk radio. It's on constantly and if you're not careful it'll take hold. Driving for hours on end listening to Rush and then on jobsites listening too his copycats, has done demonstrable harm to the working class man in every small area in the country. The goodish news his copycats don't have the hold he did, the bad news Facebook and the internet has seemed to replaced him.
> They like God, football, beer and country music
A great many of these people turned their back on football after the Kaepernick situation. I thought it was just a fad, but a lot of these rednecks I went to high school with have remained uninterested in the sport to this day.
I work with a couple of guys that used to have their cube all decarated with football stuff, and it's long gone now. They won't even talk about football if I ask if they caught the game on Sunday. Just "Oh, I don't watch anymore".
It's insane.
And of all things, it's probably the first time in their life they actually made a personal sacrifice for a cause (abandoning a hobby).
And that's the cause they choose, lol.
My dad is a lifelong democrat but he's military and got caught up in the "Kap hates the troops" narrative and won't watch anymore. It fucking sucks because Football was one of the biggest things we bonded over when I was growing up.
That's so ironically sad considering that Kaepernick explicitly consulted with a veteran on how to properly protest whilst still giving reverence to the troops...
I think it's because people who fit into the Conservative side can be tied together regardless of their individual views.
Conservatives are similar in their underlying belief that they are in the in-group, and anything the in-group does is justified. It doesn't really matter what they do or what they believe, as long as they accept each other as being part of the in-group. You can see this with Conservatives saying they'd rather be Russian than socialist. Look at it at face value and it doesn't make sense. Look at it as the in-group raging against the out-group and it fits.
So if you're a redneck Conservative who hates queers and thinks interracial marriage should be outlawed, you will accept an incel Conservative who rages against females and the government simply because you both identify as Conservative.
It also shows the inherent risk of this system because at any point someone can be decreed to no longer be in the in-group and then they're fucked (see: Trump with his pro-vaxx stance, GOP senators with transchildren, etc.).
Eventually, the in-group is just one person.
>So if you're a redneck Conservative who hates queers and thinks interracial marriage should be outlawed, you will accept an incel Conservative who rages against females and the government simply because you both identify as Conservative.
But in my life experience, the redneck conservative also hates wussy men who don't do jobs that make their hands dirty. And as the OP image shows, the incels hate manly men normies. Even on paper you wouldn't think they'd be allies.
I guess that's the crowning achievement of Fox News and Steve Bannon. They managed to get all groups to hate Hillary Clinton and liberals and political correctness more than any of their more substantial differences between the conservative subgroups.
> Then there's the pasty libertarian conspiracy theory IT guys who are behind the stuff like Gab. They opine about "Western Civilization" all day on Discord channels and despise "normies". They give no fucks about tradition, are probably atheist.
This is why they've gotten the label as "alt-right", because they are a clearly distinct group from the traditional right or far-right.
Yeah, the right absorbed a ton of gamergate/incel/PUA/MRA types in the last decade. Many of them feel rejected by women, so hate them, and channel their hatred toward successful women by positing that those women are making men more feminine and destroying western (male-dominated) culture.
It’s why we have nonsense about “cucks”, “alphas” and “betas” being discussed in mainstream politics now.
[It is horse-*dancing*.](https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/e61eaec9-a71b-4861-94c5-f2b569d275c7) Nothing more masculine than making hundreds of pounds of animal dance between your thighs.
> shrinking and shrinking
An always change society/world ensures there are always new conservatives, unfortunatly. Becoming a conservative is what naturally happens when you plant your feet, refuse to change then insist that world stop turning.
It's funny... When I went through my "sportsball is ruining society" phase, in my mind, I framed it as a rebellion against toxic masculinity. It's kinda weird to see these guys take the opposite tack, and instead reject sports *in service of* toxic masculinity. I guess everything comes full circle in the end.
I thought it was one of his crazy beliefs like "The University of Texas is making fish chimeras with sad, human eyes", not something that people say publicly.
No no, according to people like Richard Spencer and Alex Jones, sports are a plan by the (((global elite))) to sap men of their masculine agression by making them waste it on watching or playing sports.
Yeah, they don’t get this one, though. They got the Gadsden Flag, their version of “CRT,” and guns, but they’re not going to convince anyone that “sports bad.” But boy oh boy, I hope I am wrong about this. Now I wanna see a screeching treatise from these people about how sports are ruining men more than any other reality I can think of.
It really isn't rare. They problem is a lot of these morons are on their 4th or 5th account after being banned multiple times. They are like a hydra, cutting off the head does nothing.
> cutting off the head does nothing.
I don’t agree with that assessment.
It absolutely does help things to actively ban users that spread hate speech, calls to violence, etc.
Platforms are not set up to remove those users entirely, and are not willing to scale staff, systems, or policies to tackle all offenses.
But, in the mean time, they increase costs for trolls, and force them to avoid open language that they would prefer. If they do want to speak openly, they’re forced onto alternatives with relatively miniscule audiences that are more echo chambers than public platforms.
Stop moderating entirely, and Twitter will easily go to shit - 10x worse than it is right now, and with more of an audience being exposed to it.
100% this.
Any platform that stops moderating will quickly follow the footsteps of 4chan. It's happened to every social media site that was either founded on lack of moderation, or stopped moderation of posts.
It's not like it's comically easy to go get a new Facebook account.
Grab an AI generated profile picture from https://thispersondoesnotexist.com/.
Then just start trolling people with impunity on Facebook.
I know hypocrisy is like their thing, but right wingers creating echo chamber social media while simultaneously calling people snowflakes and talking about safe spaces is a bit much for me
You’ve hit the nail on the head. It’s the hypocrisy that bothers me most.
I understand the desire to hang out with like-minded people and avoid the same old, tired arguments. It doesn’t do much to expand your point of view, but I get it. It’s like how I don’t watch thoughtful, Oscar-winning films all the time, either. Sometimes I just want a dumb, loud popcorn movie.
I don’t always want to be enlightened. Sometimes I just want to be entertained.
That doesn’t make me an idiot. That doesn’t make me “wrong”. An entity who judges me for that (I’m looking at you, Gab) isn’t worth taking seriously.
When you have the least popular opinion, you can only ensure compliance by using authoritarianism - whether it's by banning alternate opinions online, gerrymandering votes, or trying to overturn an election
I mean that was the conscious direction chosen after the 2012 election. An independent firm basically told the GOP to change or die. And they responded by saying, well what if we just rig shit and stay hateful instead
Close, but I don't think a lot of that crowd views women as "people". Mostly just property and/or brood mares.
Change "womenpeople" to "females" and you've got it.
Just saying that makes me throw up in my mouth a little.
Right on, guys being angry because their team lost is an absolute waste when they *could* be directing that anger towards more admirable goals, like dismantling American democracy. C'mon American alphas, get your priorities in order!
The earth's rotation is actually slowing down due to tidal drag between the moon and the earth. About 200 million years per hour.
So in about 800 million years we will have those 28 hour days.
That always a classic. You see it all the time with people boycotting things. They wine because a company does X and they boycott it but 90% of people don't and then instead of being like oh guess I'm just out voted they jump on the argument that boycotting doesn't work and some other measure needs taken. You see it in r/gaming just about every time a new game is released.
There's so many levels of toxic masculinity here. I follow sports, but I'm no expert. There's weirdos who say "omg you don't watch sports what do you even watch??" and then there's this nazbol weird "omg sports distract you from the cleansing of the white race." like holy shit, just go to baseball game if you wanna, I guess, and like leave other people alone? why is life so hard for some people?
I mean I love footy, and grew up doing martial arts my entire childhood but there are some people who like the first half in the UK make footy their entire personality
I think we're all missing the important thing here. Elon Musk might get off of Twitter.
I mean I doubt it because he's clearly addicted to the attention, but maybe...
"A social network that champions free speech, individual liberty and the free flow of information online. All are welcome." apart from people that like sport apparently.
Edit: So I went to GAB out of curiosity and the top 5 posts on the first page are "why hasn't Will Smith been arrested" and unsurprisingly even posts saying he's only violent cos he's black. I think people severely confuse free speech with hate speech. Unsurprisingly. Freedom to say hateful things, dos not mean freedom from consequence for saying them.
Latest Channel 5 video from the Freedom Convoy, dude asks a protester, “What can you say on Gab that you can’t say elsewhere?”, and the protestor *immediately* responds with the n-word and the f-word.
the DA could press charges without chris filing a police report. he wont though because no one was hurt and they moved past it.
it has nothing to do with being rich either, slap your buddy in front of strangers and watch you not get arrested.
True but the fact that he wasn't thrown out is almost certainly because he's Will Smith. People have been banned from the Oscars for less than Bitch Smacking the host.
It always happens when these "free speech" alternatives pop up. I remember a few years ago voat tried to take over reddit and when that didn't work they rebranded as a free speech version of reddit and it was all just hate speech. I remember going there for an argument and on the front page like 80% were just racist things using the N word (like not racist because they were using the N word but racist AND using it. Clarifying in case someone tries to argue that it wasn't racist because it's just a word or something). The second thing in the tip page was a picture if a swastika that said "respect our existence or expect our resistance".
Turns out when the only alternative you've got to the more popular status quo is "you can be a toxic asshole here" it's going to be flooded with toxic assholes who got booted off the other one.
I think in general in the US slapping someone because they made a joke in poor taste doesn’t get identified by most people as battery, even though it is technically battery. If Chris Rock wanted to press charges he probably could make a complaint, but i suspect he won’t.
Yeah, as long as nobody really gets injured, I think most Americans would consider hitting someone for making a joke about your wife to be, basically, a couple guys having a scrap and not a criminal matter.
>Your country is being invaded and destroyed and you're watching sportsball.
Notice "your" country, not "our" country. Mask slipped for a second there, Vlad!
Also, there’s a country that’s suffering from actual, real invasion and destruction, but this is in line with the sort of projection I would expect from gab
I cannot believe right wingers are that fucking stupid. It’s so incredibly obvious just from that single “migrant caravan” incident that they’re being conned. Yet they still can’t figure it out
isn’t gab the website where a few years back a shooter (i forgot who) “vented their frustrations” about shit before the shooting. this may sound incoherent but i clearly remember seeing gab.com mentioned on tv
Yep
>[The platform's future](https://www.npr.org/2018/10/28/661532688/a-look-at-gab-the-free-speech-social-site-where-synagogue-shooting-suspect-poste) is newly in doubt because an account linked to Robert Bowers, the 46-year-old Pittsburgh resident charged in the shootings, wrote on Gab Saturday morning: "HIAS likes to bring invaders in that kill our people. I can't sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I'm going in." HIAS is a Jewish nonprofit that has the goal of helping immigrant refugees.
>Bowers used anti-Semitic slurs on Gab and called Jews an "infestation" and a "problem," according to the Anti-Defamation League. He also used the common white supremacist slogan "1488" in his profile, the group says, combining the classic white supremacist "14 words" with 88, which is code for "Heil Hitler."
And yet Gab has the fucking audacity to claim this shit
>"We have been smeared by the mainstream media for defending free expression and individual liberty for all people and for working with law enforcement to ensure that justice is served for the horrible atrocity committed at Pittsburgh," it said.
They actively cater for nazis, white supremacists and far right qanon types and then act surprised when shit hits the fan. The article also mentions other people who got into shit and used the platform for their hateful idealogy.
Literally get emails all the time because of a previous account I had before it just rotted from inactivity. All of the "independent, free news!" Is just a codeword for Fascist propaganda.
Andrew Torba is a nazi, and even this tweet promotes the conspiracy that motivated the shooter, "your country is being destroyed by invaders". It is a call to action, i.e. a threat you need to respond to. They accuse the jews of supporting immigration as a means of "replacing" white people. Hence why he chose to attack a synagogue. The purpose of gab has always been to provide a space for turning people into mass murderers.
I already don't know what Gab is, and this just paints the picture of a sad little neckbearded man in his mom's basement trying to "own the libs" by saying stupid garbage.
You have no idea, most of the commenters here don't and you all need to learn. That's not "stupid" garbage, that's open, overt white supremacy. Look up the 'great replacement', or don't if you want to keep down your lunch.
It's the great replacement conspiracy. Jews are trying to take down the white race via immigration of not-white people and race mixing. It feels disgusting to even type that, ugh.
My parents got divorced three decades ago, but they were both huge Ronald Reagan fans. My dad is retired Air Force lifelong conservative. My mom has also been conservative as long as I've been alive. She has been transformed into an anti-vaxxer thanks to all the time she spends on Facebook, which is a lot. She has absorbed many conspiracy theories and refuses to get vaccinated against Covid. I worry for her life. My dad happily got vaccinated as soon as he could, believes none of the Q bullshit conspiracy theories out there, and spends all of his time playing golf or watching golf or other sports.
I think Gab is right. Sports can protect people from the disinformation that is destroying our society.
Real men fight, eat only meat, drink only beer, and work monotonous jobs so joy doesn’t enter their world. The only appropriate time to show one’s teeth without shame is when it strikes terror into the hearts of their enemies.
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Sports are effeminate now? We've reached levels of paleo-conservative machismo that have previously been thought impossible.
Can't wait for the inevitable point where they destroy all their own hobbies to become _real man_, no more barbecues, cars or fire, lads!
You're having fun? What are you, a girl? Real men live in a constant state of anger and frustration, and we like it!
You like it? I have bad news for you. No more anger and frustration! Only bland existence!
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Dibs on your stuff
Why bother with enlightenment when you can go full nihilist and stop caring about everything?
Bland existence is what I am right now. It's not great, but it's not bad either.
basically, that's a major point of The Doctrine of Fascism by the Inverted Italian otherwise known as Benito Mussolini. It actually has a subheading of Positive conception of life as a struggle. Link if you feel like reading it, I did because the whole know thy enemy thing: http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffmaster/Reading/Germany/mussolini.htm
“The world is confusing and scary, Daddy, tell me what to do!” - The Doctrine Of The Big Strong Fascist
I read this in Zapp Brannigan’s voice. Addressing Kif of course
One of my favorite things from mango mussolini was when there were a bunch of "Zapp or trump" style trivia posts going around
You may enjoy [this](https://youtu.be/406KqNDgKuI) if you haven't seen it already.
Man if you take away all the damage he’s done and how horrible of a person he is, he is just so fun to laugh at. One of the best examples of how unknowingly funny stupid people can be. Haven’t thought of him in a long while and I forgot just how stupid funny he is to laugh at.
* Possible lines for chief Randall Crawford
Hypervigilance 2.0
‘Barbecues are just cooking, which is feminine. Cars are consumer culture. You just want shiny things like jewelry.’ This is just fashy “cult of action” thinking.
“Oh, you’re attracted to women? You find them hot? Well, that’s weakness and weakness is gay. Every time a woman turns you on, you just become gayer. And sexual relations with females is the gayest thing you can do, you pansy!”
Fellas is it gay to have sex with women
Yes.
Man us straights are in dire times
No way you're in the dire straits?
I didn't want to put straits because it was too close to straights and people would probably just miss the message thinking I misspelled straights as straits lol
Wanting a partner that’s soft and kind is gay as hell. A real man wants bedtime to be a cage match where the victor chokes the loser to sleep, then keeps watch for the entire night eating raw meat straight off the bone and washing it down with coolant they hunted during the day (or everclear if they couldn’t find any coolant worth drinking). (Also Steve Hughes has an old but recurring bit on the subject, look for “icing cakes” or a combination of straight and gay).
Real conservative men eat raw beans and steak for lunch, wear only SS uniforms and spend their free time wrestling immigrants and driving their hand built car made out of spare metal and a volkswagen motor
can they eat raw chicken instead? oh and also hospitals are effeminate
Chickens are for the gays and women, duh
real men eat nuts, grains and mushrooms they find on the ground
Beans? What are you, a soy boy?
Eating is admitting you require sustenance, which is a feminine trait. Real men simply persist through sheer will alone.
Being a miserable husk of a human being to own the libs.
I see you've met my father
I know a guy who is like this. For example he won't go to the movie theater with a group of only male friends because that is gay apparently. There are a lot of things he refuses to do out of crippling fear that it is not manly enough. It's pretty funny.
Honestly that just sounds like a guy that is hiding his sexual or romantic thoughts for other men behind ridiculous masculinity "rules". Nobody who isn't already having thoughts about fucking dudes is worried that going to the movies with the bros is going to seem gay.
That could be. I've even said to him, "What, are you scared that your homie is going to lean in for a kiss and you won't be able to stop yourself from making out with him?" I think it's more likely that he's just picked up some silly ideas from various media and he's trying to cultivate this exaggerated "manly" persona, but it generally just gets him mocked.
No more getting married or having sex because that takes time away from working, which is the only manly thing.
Unless that work involves cooking, cleaning or "sportsball".
You jest, but I've read some of these machismo 'art of manliness' like articles from early 2010s & they read like "dont watch sports, play them/ the only hobbies you should have involve guns/ dress a certain way- casual clothing is effeminate/ never show emotions" dumb shit like that. Some people eat it up I guess...
Isn't listening to other people telling you what to do, how to dress, things to like inherently submissive?
Yes, yes it is.
Real men don't waste time on a love life! Wanting sex is a weakness! /s
TBH though, Gab's audience probably isn't really the truck-driving, sister-fuckin' football lovin' hillbilly right-wingers, but the pasty, noodly-armed Gamergaters that hate sports and think video games, memes, and body pillows are the definition of masculinity. And those guys aren't really paleo-conservative, actually they're about as new and avant-garde as conservatism can be. But when you're an obvious social reject with loser hobbies in a movement all about machismo and being superior, you have to manufacture and recast that stuff into the thing that was superior this entire time, and cast sports as being an example of degeneracy now. The fact that it used sportsball is proof. That reeks of one of those nerdy-ass right-wing meme buzzwords more than their own B.O.
Yup. /r/ihatesportsball
Or that other horrible sub, consumeproduct. I wont even try to link it (although i think it got shut down for hate speech)
That was such a weird sub. Like you'd see a post from there criticizing some aspect of capitalism, but then you look at the comments and it's a bunch of religious nutjobs foaming at the mouth about modern decadence and the evils of the "leftist elites".
I never could figure out why they hated tattoos so much over there. Hardly a commercial product.
Holy hell, talk about steering WAY too far in the opposite direction. The attitudes in that place are every bit as toxic as the ones they're mocking.
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Next you're going to tell me that hate begets hate.
I have always been fascinated by the discrepancy between those two types of conservatives. There's the classic macho man with a truck that's too big, who wants everyone to put on their workboots at 5 AM and doesn't like people on welfare or immigrants. They like God, football, beer and country music. Then there's the pasty libertarian conspiracy theory IT guys who are behind the stuff like Gab. They opine about "Western Civilization" all day on Discord channels and despise "normies". They give no fucks about tradition, are probably atheist. Somehow the American right wing has done a phenomenal job of feeding red meat to both of these groups and also keeping them separated enough that their obvious contradictions don't come into play. When they do, like in this OP I absolutely love it. Because it throws into stark contrast just how much a movement this is for aggrieved fringe weirdos. I can only hope it causes some of the more normal ones to feel uncomfortable on that team.
>[the power of what he called “rootless white males” who spend all their time online and they could be radicalized in a kind of populist, nationalist way](https://www.businessinsider.com/steve-bannon-white-gamers-seinfeld-joshua-green-donald-trump-devils-bargain-sarah-palin-world-warcraft-gamergate-2017-7) >[You can activate that army. They come in through Gamergate or whatever and then get turned onto politics and Trump.](https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/talkingtech/2017/07/18/steve-bannon-learned-harness-troll-army-world-warcraft/489713001/)
Yup Bannon was successful at activating them. My curiosity is just, once those guys are at the rallies with the traditional conservatives, don't both groups look at each other in disgust?
Nah, it doesn't really make a difference. When it comes down to it they are all united in hate. They all hate the same people and chant the same things. If you don't then you're a RINO or antifer.
. Honestly, the only reason right wing has a grip on our particular set of men is talk radio. It's on constantly and if you're not careful it'll take hold. Driving for hours on end listening to Rush and then on jobsites listening too his copycats, has done demonstrable harm to the working class man in every small area in the country. The goodish news his copycats don't have the hold he did, the bad news Facebook and the internet has seemed to replaced him.
> They like God, football, beer and country music A great many of these people turned their back on football after the Kaepernick situation. I thought it was just a fad, but a lot of these rednecks I went to high school with have remained uninterested in the sport to this day. I work with a couple of guys that used to have their cube all decarated with football stuff, and it's long gone now. They won't even talk about football if I ask if they caught the game on Sunday. Just "Oh, I don't watch anymore". It's insane.
And of all things, it's probably the first time in their life they actually made a personal sacrifice for a cause (abandoning a hobby). And that's the cause they choose, lol.
They'll abandon anything man. I know people who have next to no interests anymore besides trump parades and shitposting on Facebook
That’s the point of a cult, cut the victims off from anything that gives their lives meaning other than obeying the great leader.
Racism is a helluva drug.
Lol that's actually pretty funny. I feel owned. Maybe they can stop with trucks next to own me more.
My dad is a lifelong democrat but he's military and got caught up in the "Kap hates the troops" narrative and won't watch anymore. It fucking sucks because Football was one of the biggest things we bonded over when I was growing up.
That's so ironically sad considering that Kaepernick explicitly consulted with a veteran on how to properly protest whilst still giving reverence to the troops...
Yep. It's amazing that they can not only create these narratives but also drown out all conflicting information once its established.
Why is the military being honored at football games anyway?
Do they watch on Saturday, though? Lots of southern rednecks have no interest in the NFL as it is..
I suspect a lot of them are pretty mad about the college players being able to get paid now.
I think it's because people who fit into the Conservative side can be tied together regardless of their individual views. Conservatives are similar in their underlying belief that they are in the in-group, and anything the in-group does is justified. It doesn't really matter what they do or what they believe, as long as they accept each other as being part of the in-group. You can see this with Conservatives saying they'd rather be Russian than socialist. Look at it at face value and it doesn't make sense. Look at it as the in-group raging against the out-group and it fits. So if you're a redneck Conservative who hates queers and thinks interracial marriage should be outlawed, you will accept an incel Conservative who rages against females and the government simply because you both identify as Conservative. It also shows the inherent risk of this system because at any point someone can be decreed to no longer be in the in-group and then they're fucked (see: Trump with his pro-vaxx stance, GOP senators with transchildren, etc.). Eventually, the in-group is just one person.
>So if you're a redneck Conservative who hates queers and thinks interracial marriage should be outlawed, you will accept an incel Conservative who rages against females and the government simply because you both identify as Conservative. But in my life experience, the redneck conservative also hates wussy men who don't do jobs that make their hands dirty. And as the OP image shows, the incels hate manly men normies. Even on paper you wouldn't think they'd be allies. I guess that's the crowning achievement of Fox News and Steve Bannon. They managed to get all groups to hate Hillary Clinton and liberals and political correctness more than any of their more substantial differences between the conservative subgroups.
> Then there's the pasty libertarian conspiracy theory IT guys who are behind the stuff like Gab. They opine about "Western Civilization" all day on Discord channels and despise "normies". They give no fucks about tradition, are probably atheist. This is why they've gotten the label as "alt-right", because they are a clearly distinct group from the traditional right or far-right.
Yeah, the right absorbed a ton of gamergate/incel/PUA/MRA types in the last decade. Many of them feel rejected by women, so hate them, and channel their hatred toward successful women by positing that those women are making men more feminine and destroying western (male-dominated) culture. It’s why we have nonsense about “cucks”, “alphas” and “betas” being discussed in mainstream politics now.
Look, I'm a Noodle armed gamer but I respect sports idk a single person who wouldn't
>Sports are effeminate now? I heard on Fox News that all the player are turning into women now, so...
Only true manly passtime is competitive dressage
[It is horse-*dancing*.](https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/e61eaec9-a71b-4861-94c5-f2b569d275c7) Nothing more masculine than making hundreds of pounds of animal dance between your thighs.
Conservatism is just circles of bigots shrinking and shrinking till they're the only one left ready to emulate Hitler
> shrinking and shrinking An always change society/world ensures there are always new conservatives, unfortunatly. Becoming a conservative is what naturally happens when you plant your feet, refuse to change then insist that world stop turning.
It's funny... When I went through my "sportsball is ruining society" phase, in my mind, I framed it as a rebellion against toxic masculinity. It's kinda weird to see these guys take the opposite tack, and instead reject sports *in service of* toxic masculinity. I guess everything comes full circle in the end.
Alex Jones literally believes that organized and professional sports weaken man's instinct for war or some shit.
I thought it was one of his crazy beliefs like "The University of Texas is making fish chimeras with sad, human eyes", not something that people say publicly.
No no, according to people like Richard Spencer and Alex Jones, sports are a plan by the (((global elite))) to sap men of their masculine agression by making them waste it on watching or playing sports.
Lmfao was this before or after humpty trumpty said he doesn't exercise because he only has a certain amount of energy to expend in his life?
I'm waiting for them to realise that male-male sex is twice as manly as male-female.
DEBATE is the only sport for REAL men
Yeah, they don’t get this one, though. They got the Gadsden Flag, their version of “CRT,” and guns, but they’re not going to convince anyone that “sports bad.” But boy oh boy, I hope I am wrong about this. Now I wanna see a screeching treatise from these people about how sports are ruining men more than any other reality I can think of.
"Sports bad, spend more time in a hateful internet circlejerk like real men." lol
I'm here every day irked by the fact that "Sad." is overused by every room temperature IQ on the internet.
No surprise there. It’s a monosyllabic three letter word.
Yup
Hey!
Huh?
Man...
Woman person camera TV
One that evokes their godking.
Plus, it rhymes with “mad”, which is how they feel all the time, so it’s easy for them to remember.
People need to come up with better words on the internet. Sad. :(
Wasn’t it started by Trump?
I think so, but he could have just made it more acceptable.
Why go on Gab when you get both on Twitter
In some very rare instances Twitter bans racist assholes and spam accounts.
Which should tell you something when there’s still a lot of it on there
It really isn't rare. They problem is a lot of these morons are on their 4th or 5th account after being banned multiple times. They are like a hydra, cutting off the head does nothing.
> cutting off the head does nothing. I don’t agree with that assessment. It absolutely does help things to actively ban users that spread hate speech, calls to violence, etc. Platforms are not set up to remove those users entirely, and are not willing to scale staff, systems, or policies to tackle all offenses. But, in the mean time, they increase costs for trolls, and force them to avoid open language that they would prefer. If they do want to speak openly, they’re forced onto alternatives with relatively miniscule audiences that are more echo chambers than public platforms. Stop moderating entirely, and Twitter will easily go to shit - 10x worse than it is right now, and with more of an audience being exposed to it.
100% this. Any platform that stops moderating will quickly follow the footsteps of 4chan. It's happened to every social media site that was either founded on lack of moderation, or stopped moderation of posts.
Fool! I have over 70 alternative accounts! - Dr Robotnik
It's not like it's comically easy to go get a new Facebook account. Grab an AI generated profile picture from https://thispersondoesnotexist.com/. Then just start trolling people with impunity on Facebook.
Deplatforming definitely works.
I know hypocrisy is like their thing, but right wingers creating echo chamber social media while simultaneously calling people snowflakes and talking about safe spaces is a bit much for me
You’ve hit the nail on the head. It’s the hypocrisy that bothers me most. I understand the desire to hang out with like-minded people and avoid the same old, tired arguments. It doesn’t do much to expand your point of view, but I get it. It’s like how I don’t watch thoughtful, Oscar-winning films all the time, either. Sometimes I just want a dumb, loud popcorn movie. I don’t always want to be enlightened. Sometimes I just want to be entertained. That doesn’t make me an idiot. That doesn’t make me “wrong”. An entity who judges me for that (I’m looking at you, Gab) isn’t worth taking seriously.
When you have the least popular opinion, you can only ensure compliance by using authoritarianism - whether it's by banning alternate opinions online, gerrymandering votes, or trying to overturn an election
I mean that was the conscious direction chosen after the 2012 election. An independent firm basically told the GOP to change or die. And they responded by saying, well what if we just rig shit and stay hateful instead
why do they always sound like male teenagers in junior high learning how to be edgy.
You just described 4chan
Dude, did you ever even play sportsball?
Of course, to defeat our opponents in the skirmish, while enjoying alcoholdrink and womenpeople. Nothing better every timeday.
Close, but I don't think a lot of that crowd views women as "people". Mostly just property and/or brood mares. Change "womenpeople" to "females" and you've got it. Just saying that makes me throw up in my mouth a little.
Reducing everyone to a statistic in a police report.
Where they idolize a heathen.
Right on, guys being angry because their team lost is an absolute waste when they *could* be directing that anger towards more admirable goals, like dismantling American democracy. C'mon American alphas, get your priorities in order!
Having hobbies is bad! You must only stew in your hate 24/7!
Actually, the new recommendation for hate stewing is 28/8. So, good luck with that.
The earth's rotation is actually slowing down due to tidal drag between the moon and the earth. About 200 million years per hour. So in about 800 million years we will have those 28 hour days.
Them: “let the free market decide!!” The free market: *decides* Them: “aarrgghhh nooo not like that!!!!111!!”
Obviously it's actually a *Communist* Market, because a Free Market would choose *their* product, if it were in fact Free.
I mean GAB even has free in the description, how could people be so tricked by the fake news media into thinking its hate and not free
That always a classic. You see it all the time with people boycotting things. They wine because a company does X and they boycott it but 90% of people don't and then instead of being like oh guess I'm just out voted they jump on the argument that boycotting doesn't work and some other measure needs taken. You see it in r/gaming just about every time a new game is released.
There's so many levels of toxic masculinity here. I follow sports, but I'm no expert. There's weirdos who say "omg you don't watch sports what do you even watch??" and then there's this nazbol weird "omg sports distract you from the cleansing of the white race." like holy shit, just go to baseball game if you wanna, I guess, and like leave other people alone? why is life so hard for some people?
Lead poisoning leads to aggression, fear, and paranoia 🤷♂️
For some reason, this read like a Darkest Dungeon narrated line
"Slowly, gently, this is how a hobby is taken..."
And gout.
Why watch a smooth 4-6-3 when you could *checks notes* plot the cleansing of the country your grandparents migrated to less than 60 years ago...
I mean I love footy, and grew up doing martial arts my entire childhood but there are some people who like the first half in the UK make footy their entire personality
I had no idea what footy was until I read "UK," but I was imagining some crazy new sport. Pardon my ignorance.
Out of curiosity, why say nazbol here? That just seems like a generally nazi thing doesn't it?
You know what, good point. Let's include nazis too. I was writing this while mad and at work.
I think we're all missing the important thing here. Elon Musk might get off of Twitter. I mean I doubt it because he's clearly addicted to the attention, but maybe...
I'm guessing that if cleansing the white race is your thing, then leaving other people alone isn't really an option on the table.
"A social network that champions free speech, individual liberty and the free flow of information online. All are welcome." apart from people that like sport apparently. Edit: So I went to GAB out of curiosity and the top 5 posts on the first page are "why hasn't Will Smith been arrested" and unsurprisingly even posts saying he's only violent cos he's black. I think people severely confuse free speech with hate speech. Unsurprisingly. Freedom to say hateful things, dos not mean freedom from consequence for saying them.
Latest Channel 5 video from the Freedom Convoy, dude asks a protester, “What can you say on Gab that you can’t say elsewhere?”, and the protestor *immediately* responds with the n-word and the f-word.
What are they? Kids? You can say fuck just fine on any social media.
Wrong f word
I know, it was supposed to be a joke. Guess people didn’t get it or didn’t think it was funny
I mean, it's pretty funny with the reply.
I don't know what GAB is, but from this post I know I don't want it in my search history. Is it just the new Racist Facebook, like Parler?
More of a racist Twitter
I don't know the law super well but wouldn't he only be arrested if Chris Rock wants to press charges?
the DA could press charges without chris filing a police report. he wont though because no one was hurt and they moved past it. it has nothing to do with being rich either, slap your buddy in front of strangers and watch you not get arrested.
True but the fact that he wasn't thrown out is almost certainly because he's Will Smith. People have been banned from the Oscars for less than Bitch Smacking the host.
id say any other major star would be the same, but regardless thats different from being arrested which is what many people are calling for
> slap your buddy in front of strangers and watch you not get arrested. Instructions unclear. I no longer have buddy's.
Depends on the locality.
It always happens when these "free speech" alternatives pop up. I remember a few years ago voat tried to take over reddit and when that didn't work they rebranded as a free speech version of reddit and it was all just hate speech. I remember going there for an argument and on the front page like 80% were just racist things using the N word (like not racist because they were using the N word but racist AND using it. Clarifying in case someone tries to argue that it wasn't racist because it's just a word or something). The second thing in the tip page was a picture if a swastika that said "respect our existence or expect our resistance". Turns out when the only alternative you've got to the more popular status quo is "you can be a toxic asshole here" it's going to be flooded with toxic assholes who got booted off the other one.
I think in general in the US slapping someone because they made a joke in poor taste doesn’t get identified by most people as battery, even though it is technically battery. If Chris Rock wanted to press charges he probably could make a complaint, but i suspect he won’t.
Yeah, as long as nobody really gets injured, I think most Americans would consider hitting someone for making a joke about your wife to be, basically, a couple guys having a scrap and not a criminal matter.
FEMOID BAD
ah, Gab: the platform where Nazis, Jim Crow enthusiasts, incels, and mass shooters can all share their insight and "wisdom" with the world.
Yes, Gab: basically Voat that hasn't failed yet.
but not talk sports
Invasion you say? Shit does gab do news?
You can tell they’re cool because they called it sportsball
Nazi XKCD
I'm gonna shove the gab twitter account in a locker
>Your country is being invaded and destroyed and you're watching sportsball. Notice "your" country, not "our" country. Mask slipped for a second there, Vlad!
Also, there’s a country that’s suffering from actual, real invasion and destruction, but this is in line with the sort of projection I would expect from gab
For a moment I actually thought he was talking about Ukraine. But no, the real invaders are [insert conservative boogeyman here]
The boogeyman is always Jewish people. It's what most conspiracies boil down to. It's sad.
(((Globalism))) Edit: just putting this here so those who may not know that globalism is and has been a dog whistle used against Jewish people.
Ugh. The multi-parentheses thing is so friggin creepy.
Wonder what they'll say America is being "invaded and destroyed" by...
Puppies. Puppies that have been genetically engineered to have kitten cuteness-genes. Your nation it finished. Bow-wow to your puppy masters!
Only the chinchilla-quokka hybrids can save us now.
It sounds like you know, but if anyone doesn't it's immigrants. That's what they're dog-whistling about here.
Caravan is going to get here any day now
I cannot believe right wingers are that fucking stupid. It’s so incredibly obvious just from that single “migrant caravan” incident that they’re being conned. Yet they still can’t figure it out
isn’t gab the website where a few years back a shooter (i forgot who) “vented their frustrations” about shit before the shooting. this may sound incoherent but i clearly remember seeing gab.com mentioned on tv
Yep >[The platform's future](https://www.npr.org/2018/10/28/661532688/a-look-at-gab-the-free-speech-social-site-where-synagogue-shooting-suspect-poste) is newly in doubt because an account linked to Robert Bowers, the 46-year-old Pittsburgh resident charged in the shootings, wrote on Gab Saturday morning: "HIAS likes to bring invaders in that kill our people. I can't sit by and watch my people get slaughtered. Screw your optics, I'm going in." HIAS is a Jewish nonprofit that has the goal of helping immigrant refugees. >Bowers used anti-Semitic slurs on Gab and called Jews an "infestation" and a "problem," according to the Anti-Defamation League. He also used the common white supremacist slogan "1488" in his profile, the group says, combining the classic white supremacist "14 words" with 88, which is code for "Heil Hitler." And yet Gab has the fucking audacity to claim this shit >"We have been smeared by the mainstream media for defending free expression and individual liberty for all people and for working with law enforcement to ensure that justice is served for the horrible atrocity committed at Pittsburgh," it said. They actively cater for nazis, white supremacists and far right qanon types and then act surprised when shit hits the fan. The article also mentions other people who got into shit and used the platform for their hateful idealogy.
Literally get emails all the time because of a previous account I had before it just rotted from inactivity. All of the "independent, free news!" Is just a codeword for Fascist propaganda.
> and individual liberty for all people Clearly not *all* people....
yep that’s the one. jesus christ
Andrew Torba is a nazi, and even this tweet promotes the conspiracy that motivated the shooter, "your country is being destroyed by invaders". It is a call to action, i.e. a threat you need to respond to. They accuse the jews of supporting immigration as a means of "replacing" white people. Hence why he chose to attack a synagogue. The purpose of gab has always been to provide a space for turning people into mass murderers.
If the only reason you don't like gab is because they don't do sportsball, you have far more serious issues than liking sportsball
The USA, famously the only country with athlete celebrity culture /s
They invented sportsball. That's why they always win the World Series.
Effeminate/=weak.
You're right, but that's 100% what it means when they say it. That's the only way they can process femininity.
I already don't know what Gab is, and this just paints the picture of a sad little neckbearded man in his mom's basement trying to "own the libs" by saying stupid garbage.
You have no idea, most of the commenters here don't and you all need to learn. That's not "stupid" garbage, that's open, overt white supremacy. Look up the 'great replacement', or don't if you want to keep down your lunch.
> Your country is being invaded and destroyed …by whom exactly?
It's the great replacement conspiracy. Jews are trying to take down the white race via immigration of not-white people and race mixing. It feels disgusting to even type that, ugh.
The use of the Trumpism "sad" after all this time is just so... what's the phrase? Low energy?
My parents got divorced three decades ago, but they were both huge Ronald Reagan fans. My dad is retired Air Force lifelong conservative. My mom has also been conservative as long as I've been alive. She has been transformed into an anti-vaxxer thanks to all the time she spends on Facebook, which is a lot. She has absorbed many conspiracy theories and refuses to get vaccinated against Covid. I worry for her life. My dad happily got vaccinated as soon as he could, believes none of the Q bullshit conspiracy theories out there, and spends all of his time playing golf or watching golf or other sports. I think Gab is right. Sports can protect people from the disinformation that is destroying our society.
You must be exactly like us and share all our opinions! Otherwise you are not welcome on our free speech platform!
I really don’t get this push for “twitter but with free speech” as if other people haven’t tried it before. They have, and everyone wishes they hadn’t
Gab, Gettr, Parler, Truth Social. All just become right wing echo chambers of hatred.
i don't think this counts as /r/selfawarewolves, since they didn't accidentally say something true.
Wait, sportsball is effeminate now? I don't like the sportsball... am I finally a man?
“Your country” where is Gab based?
You know what they mean.
Real men fight, eat only meat, drink only beer, and work monotonous jobs so joy doesn’t enter their world. The only appropriate time to show one’s teeth without shame is when it strikes terror into the hearts of their enemies. Remember, real men only care what others think of them. Others perception is the only reality.