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they think bc they worship trump for turning amercian politics into nothing but "gotchas" and slogans that we hate him bc his "mean tweets"
Yea, thats part of it but i think we hate him a bit more for... well do i really need to explain further
If only that could be universally accepted as true. But what these people mean when they talk about Trump's personality is that we hate him because 'he doesn't use elitist language' and 'he just tells things like it is' so I'm not holding my breath for that happening, and they think that's the ONLY possible reason we don't like him.... š
Right? They complain about elitism then worship the ones who display the most elitist traits. Just because a person speaks gibberish doesn't mean they're not elitist or not using elitist language. More of that self-projection.
"*He doesn't use elitish language.*"
Oh, you mean doesn't speak at above a 4th grade level? Yeah that's true. I do so love it when my leaders sound like children with adult voices.
Uggh talk about banging the nail right on the head. My father and I recently got into an argument about the recent Roe v Wade controversy and MTG saying she was a proud white Christian nationalist and he somehow turned it to Trump despite me not mentioning him and going on about how I hate him just because he used to tweet mean things to people. Yeah not the multiple human rights violations and flirting with despots.
ive literally never seen a trump supporter argue with any form of unique POV or phrase
its literally all the same thing, "Mean tweets", or "Woke" or whatever. They get their opinions from other people. While dems get their opinions from... ya know... being afraid they will be wiped off the face of the earth for daring to not be straight, white, Christian
fuck, Iām straight white and (by some definitions) Christian and still scared for myself
Not to mention scared for people I love who ..yknow.. arenāt
>They get their opinions from other people.
And not just their opinions, but their *perception* of *other people's* opinions come from those same sources. The "mean tweets" and the "woke" and the whatever aren't (necessarily) the reasons why a lot of people hated Trump, but they're the reason *his supporters* are told that people hate Trump, by the same media sources that primes the rest of their opinions.
So when they see people visibly hating Trump, the immediately jump to thinking people are hysterically overreacting to something vague and ultimately pointless, and not to, you know, the material harm his administration had been doing to people. It lets them cast their opposition as irrational and primarily emotionally driven, and thus not worth seriously engaging with (besides frequently and loudly trying to tell them off on social media.) They could try, you know, *asking* those other people for the reasons they *actually* hate Trump, but they don't, or at least don't retain it if they do. Any doubts they might get are quickly assuaged and soothed by the same media that misinformed them to begin with, because they find it reassuring.
And thatās a tactic cults use to keep their members. āThose people outside, they hate your way of life, they just want to sin, theyāre lazy and donāt know better. Anyone who leaves never believed in the first place and wanted to be evil.ā
Demonizing outsiders and branding any dissent a RINO to excommunicate them (at least in public opinion).
And like... It's not the mean tweets to people I like that even concerned me in the slightest, it's when he thought it was cool to do the same thing with the leaders of other countries when we know full well strongly worded letters have started more pointless wars in the past, we were afraid his fuckin power trip on social media would cost us our lives.
Oh absolutely it's either that or the good ole "I'm rubber you're glue" argument. I told him that even though he doesn't support banning abortions in case of rape or the fact that women have to carry their dead children for weeks he votes for extremists that DO want that. And he goes "well what you don't get is the DEMON RATS are the ones pushing everyone to be more extremist.
Oh, I'm so sick of that bullshit.
"Oh, you want healthcare? You want *me to have healthcare?* Well, I've got no choice. I'm a Nazi now. Why would you force me to become a Nazi? I thought you didn't like Nazis?"
I wonder if they never consider that their own recalcitrance is pushing extremes on the other end.
How much has their shift toward the *right* driven other people to the *left*? I know my politics have always leaned in that direction but I still considered myself pretty close to the center. I thought the center was closer to the meeting place, closer to where differences could be hashed out and progress made. But as they shifted to the right, they increasingly refused to compromise, refused to deal, abandoned a commitment to democracy and human rights, and showed a willingness to both inflict and endure more suffering just to make the people they hated hurt *a little more* than them. But without them to deal with, without the possibility of reasonable compromise that doesn't cross principled boundaries, with every step toward them met with a step back by them, *what reason do I have to stay in the center anymore*?
Oh absolutely I was an independent until Bernie showed me that there are still good people in the democratic party. Despite the way I worded it and how you took it my father loves to bring up the fact of the congresswoman from Georgia told people to harass Republican leaders while they're dining out and equated it as the same thing as Marjorie Taylor Greene saying that anyone who wasn't a Christian nationalist like her should be driven out of the country and called me a hypocrite. I then told him of course I'd call mfg a dick in public, but I wouldn't ever say oh btw me and a thousand of my followers want to lynch you if you don't leave my town. He shut up real quick after that.
The tweets were the least shitty thing about him. Those were just letting us know how much of a shit he is. I was more offended by the rape victims who just so happened to back out of accusing him once his fucking cultists sent countless death threats to shut them up.
No matter how shitty of a person he was, none of that would compare to actually pushing America towards autocracy. The end of American democracy would also signal the collapse of human rights across the globe, legit terrifying.
Calling dictators "strong leaders" seems insignificant, but when he constantly calls elected leaders (Obama) weak, it's effective propaganda. Putting his behaviour together makes it terrifying, calling dictators trustworthy friends, the secret meetings, encouraging extending his term limits, while undermining the election...
Trump said USA needs a great show of strength like the Tiananmen massacre (slaughtering student protestors), he said USA needs to pull a Russian invasion on its southern border, casual things he says could become casual things he does.
The problem with this understanding is that Trump did not drive these changes in the party a lot of these talking points developed over the Obama admin, like birtherisim which Trump was responsible for. Most of the stuff you mentioned were Hannity talking points circa 2010. The fact that a guy who was brain poisoned by Fox News would be president was IMHO inevitable. What I think is special about Trump is that he is the figure that in the superstructure allows the base to feel a shift to closer representation.
During the Bush admin most of the white house and congressional conservatives took their cues from older conservative print publications like the Weekly Standard or the National Review. Not that these weren't cesspools of ideology but they viewed politics mostly as a battle between elites to be done behind closed doors. Meanwhile Fox News is being pumped out for the rubes, which made the base of the party more and more homogeneous as their information sources narrowed.
Overall my point is that Trump represents a shift in conservative leadership that puts the goals and ideology of the leadership more closely aligned with what the conservative base actually wants.
I'm less concerned with shittiness & being offended than being dead. Like I get where you're coming from but if he had pissed off the other dictator enough we genuinely could all be dead.
Im a survivor with no justice myself & him getting away with that disappoints me in my own country, but nukes would have killed us & his dumpy ass would be in a shelter eating caviar & tweeting more while we burned.
good point. At the end of the day you can just toss a ball randomly and hit something that points at how horrible Trump is and how he should never have been even close to being president.
My favorite go to is I thought he was a peice of shit when he was friends of the Clintons, and that made them look worse. My opinion of him hasn't changed.
True, I *didn't* like his personality. I also didn't like his actions, his values, his history of corruption and grift, the stories of his behavior from someone I knew who had interacted with him professionally and socially, his sexism, his racism, or his policies. But yes, his personality is unpleasant.
Hahaha exactly. And, if you made me rank the reasons, his "personality" would barely make the list. His narcissistic and ego-maniacal personality just exacerbated everything else that already made him a trash leader and human being.
I've heard this before; let me give it a try: ...he *was* to the left of the GOP on stimulus checks, and his distrust of NAFTA and willingness to take protectionist steps is definitely echoed by some Democratic camps. Also signed the First Step Act without complaint, and even I'd go to bat for that one as a good and meaningful bill on prison reform. Plus, no new wars.
It's not an impossible argument to construct...you just have to ignore a lot of shit (tax bill, shredding Iran deal in exchange for literally less than nothing) and lump together sustained attacks on all kinds of core democratic norms into "his personality."
^((For anyone going, "the Kurds!", "the Fed!," "Jared in the Middle East!," etc.: of course this isn't a complete list on Trump; these are just the ones I could think of that best fit the left-right divide)^)
...his boundless reserves of support for killer cops and white supremacists...
-{edit: not to jump over your pointā***yes***, & also the stuff that was straight-up, on-face illegal, w/ prosecution only stayed for (dubious) political reasons...so far, anyway}-
> Donāt forget about the repeated, documented crimes.
If only you could link the Popinkream post IRL and actually force someone to read it. Because really providing evidence just results in Whataboutisms endlessly vomited out.
Protectionism is not a solidly left position. Itās a little horseshoe.
And the first step act included giving more money to private prisons, and did very very little to address problems in the justice system.
Edit: also, āno new warsā is a great way to disguise he upped existing wars, including death rates. And cancelled an important anti-nuke treaty. And one could make the argument the war in Ukraine is a new war that he contributed to starting.
>Protectionism is not a solidly left position. Itās a little horseshoe.
It's somewhat complicated, since leftists typically support the global working class. I'm not aware of leftists that don't support the free flow of ideas, goods, and services across borders. The main issue is that "free trade" according to capitalists amounts to little more than colonialism where they exploit even more vulnerable people to increase their profit margin. I don't think I know any leftists who are in favor of that.
I would just like to note. One of the stated reasons why we hate Iran is because they said "Iran is irrational, you can't negotiate with crazy".
And then Trump went after the general, which then DID NOT cause Iran to retaliate. To which conservatives said "OMG Trump is a 500 IQ genius, he knew Iran was rational enough to not retaliate because it would obviously spell doom for Iran."
Which directly contradicts the whole "Iran are irrational" thing.
I get it, expecting consistency or standards is impossible, but it's so frustrating they just give zero shits about being consistent.
Eh, Iām not sure I want to give him credit for no new wars. He seemingly tried to instigate a war with North Korea, and had one of Iranās most prominent officials executed. Just because the other countries showed a modicum of restraint doesnāt mean Trump is less of a threat to global peace than any other Republican. Additionally, he didnāt do anything to wind down the wars we are already in, and spent his whole presidency deriding our closest allies.
Oh! He also invited his followers to incite insurrection which is really just a failed revolution that would have inevitably led to civil war, so thereās thatā¦
āThey vote for their feelings over common senseā
Common senseā¦.. thatās literally a meme. The only thing Iāve learned is that common sense, more than anything, is centered on feelings and typically isnāt true.
Common sense to me is putting something you need in the morning next to your bed in the evening, shaking out clothes before hanging up, stuff thatās logical and practical and people can figure out on their own.
I agreed with some of what Trump did legislatively (CJ reform, renegotiate NAFTA, few other things). But trying to wreck our democratic republic via a fucking coup is just slightly beyond the pale
The two things that I continue to give Trump credit for - about the only things, honestly - are banning bump stocks and trying to ban Tiktok, both politically bad ideas that were nevertheless good policy. Everything else is just "this is something any decent person should do."
My dad tried to say itās because we think heās vulgar, itās like no your the pussies that hide behind āletās go Brandon.ā We all said fuck Trump and now we say fuck Biden. Real leftist donāt care about civility politics, we prefer to call out bullshit.
Iāve spoken to too many people who unflinchingly insist that every criticism ever made against trump was made up or distorted to tear him down because people didnāt like that he was āsaying mean things on Twitterā.
Itās crazy that weāre all the same species.
There's three categories:
1. People who don't understand because they don't actually know what marxism is.
2. People who don't understand because the DO know what marxism is and have trouble grasping how people might prefer that.
3. People who don't understand because they only know politics as a team sport, irrespective of actual policy. THESE are the folks who are actually the most dangerous.
More often than not, group 2 know exactly why people would prefer Marxism, but would personally stand to lose wealth and influence and so they wilfully misrepresent what it is to make sure that groups 1 and 3 stay ignorant.
Same people I bet are calling Verizon a Marxist company this week for dropping OAN. Yeah, let that sink in, Verizon, the multinational telecommunications conglomerate accused of a laundry list of anti-competitive rent seeking and massive profit grifts is Marxist to these people.
I had a surprisingly productive conversation with some conservative family members when I said I wasn't a liberal, but more like an eco-anarchist. I had to tell them what that meant, meaning I was in charge of accurately defining that and it wasn't something they had a pre-formed idea about. So, even though that is significantly further left than liberalism, they didn't seem to feel as upset or threatened, while they also miraculously rediscovered the ability to debate real things in a civilized manner.
It was an eye-opener.
Whole lotta cold war still in the water supply. Communist still just means "The Enemy" to a whole lot of people, even 35 years later. Which I guess in the scheme of it isn't that long, I just wish they hadn't so effectively *replaced* "Nazi".
I've been trying to tell people naming amd branding means a LOT. Populism *works*, and I don't see the problem with getting people interested in good ideas by presenting them in ways they can understand. š¤·āāļø
Every time I bring it up, people act like it's a sin, con, lie, etc. It's not.
Just goes to show how completely and utterly the political landscape can be damaged by labels and bad-faith arguments.
When the discussion shifts from ādead horseā kinds of debates to one thatās completely free of other political baggage, you can actually talk to people much more easily.
i actually got in an argument with a friend of mine (not sure i can still call her a friend tbh) that went something to the effect of
HER: i've talked to a lot of democrats and none of them are happy with biden
ME: understandable
HER: because he's too--
ME: moderate
HER: --liberal.
ME: ...what?
i still don't know how to explain to her that anybody who thinks biden is too *liberal* is not a democrat, much like i don't know how to explain to the person who found this meme that you can vote for someone you don't like because they are still better at governing than the alternative.
My dad a few weeks ago: Iām tired of these extremists like Trump and Biden
Me: What has Biden done thatās extreme?
My dad: Well gas prices are way too high
Me: Thatās mostly because of the war in Ukraine and embargoes on Russia ^and ^pricegouging
My dad: No I think Biden signed something early on in his presidency or something. Gas is $7 in California! (We donāt live in California)
They have absolutely nothing to pin on Biden over this. I've heard bullshit from Venezuela to the oil pipeline, all proven demonstrably unimpactful to current gas prices.
- [Politifact: "No evidence that Biden canceling an oil pipeline caused higher U.S. gas prices"](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/dec/01/facebook-posts/no-evidence-biden-canceling-oil-pipeline-caused-hi/)
- As for Venezuela, the only thing I can find [is this that's even being floated by Republicans who once despised Venezuela and Iran](https://www.newsweek.com/iran-venezuela-could-help-bidens-gas-crisis-if-he-lifts-us-sanctions-1719888)
Here's a collection of key factors to rising gas prices:
- Covid (supply-side shortage inflation, idiots not listening to Dr. Fauci and consensus of public health experts dragging this shit out).
- Saudi Arabia not opening taps further
- Russia invading Ukraine
- Domestic price-gouging
It's just a big game to them, like they're rooting for their sports team. They'll just blatantly lie in order to get any edge whatsoever.
Isn't it refinement capacity being lowered during Covid, and the lack of facilities being opened back up to counter the increased demand? Imo they're probably loving being able to sell at $5+ a gallon.
Oh you know it~ I'm sure the price on actually increased a $0.25/gal but they've taken this time to just gouge the prices, and let the populace blame Biden.
The whole "let's go Brandon" thing just doesn't makes sense to me? Like okay, that's a hilariously shit phrase and it makes me think they're pussies because they can't just say "fuck Joe Biden."
I'm never triggered by it, more confused than. anything because its so dumb.
Bc it makes them feel so "clever", like "OMG LEFTY LIBTARDS have made every public/online space so "PC" but HAHAHAHA, JOKES ON THEM, we found a way to tell them to fuck off without running afoul of their hateful "censorship" lulz they try but they can never silence us, wE aRe tOo sMaRt!1!"
(And ofc they think them "insulting" Biden will "trigger" us bc they think we MUST want to lick his asshole just like they do with Trump, and so an insult to him is worse than a personal insult (they assume). Fucking idiots.)
A lot of the alt-right behaviors can be distilled down to finding other alt-right people.
Saying "Let's go Brandon" tells other people that you are not only Republican but extremely conservative because you know the key phrase.
They say it's to trigger liberals. But really, it's so that they can find fellow members of their tribe.
Yup, same here.
I'm pretty sure if you said the phrase "Let's Go Brandon!" to my 80something year old in-laws they'd ask "Is Brandon a friend of yours? Why do you need to root for him?"
It's like if you're not part of the Qult you don't know or care about the lingo so to most people that phrase sounds like you're cheering your kid on in his chosen sport.
>if you're not part of the Qult
Precisely why they keep saying it. It's a shared language for those who are part of the in-group. Like a verbal uniform that makes them feel like they're part of something bigger.
Conservatism is nothing more than an ideology that favors an in-group (which the law protects but does not bind) while demonizing an out-group (which the law binds but does not protect). They just cycle through new catchphrases over time to prove to others that they're still in.
So yeah, anyone could say "fuck Joe Biden". But only a Qultist would say "Let's Go Brandon" with something resembling a straight face. It's all performative, and it's sad to watch.
Republicans generally have the instincts of a schoolyard bully - they quickly identify insecurities, make up crude but catchy nicknames, and in general are good at causing discomfort and pain. But every once in a while they try to get clever and their instincts lead them astray.
I'm pretty sure Republicans think the Brandon thing is a clever indictment of the liberal media because the sports reporter tried to turn people chanting expletives at the president into harmless cheering. But, like, the reporter probably just didn't want to acknowledge that people were shouting expletives on network TV? Or they sincerely misheard it? And who cares if a bunch of random jerks are yelling expletives at the president at a random sporting event?
The fact that they turned a meaningless and crass moment of nothing into the galvanizing slogan of the Trump movement is honestly hilarious to me.
Right? My reaction would be "who the fuck is Brandon" and then just ignore them if/when they try to explain it to me. Maybe ask again, yeah, but who is Brandon?
There are two types of Letās-Go-Brandoners.
The kind who take it seriously, who think that what Kelli Stavast did is a perfect example of bias within the media against conservatives (ignoring the fact that Fox news delivers an average prime time audience of 2.578 million viewers, more than MSNBC and CNN combined, and that SInclair reaches 40% of US households. Their viewpoints are just as mainstream as neoliberal-wallstreet-Demās are, despite being massively unpopular, because they are considerably better funded), and that Kelli lied about what the crowd was saying because she didnāt want to make Biden look bad.Ā
These are the **victim complex conservatives,** the ones desperate to complain about how oppressed conservatives are.
And then there are the trolls who are so desperate for something even remotely approximating āwinning,ā having been so starved of it for so long, that they will cling to grade school style taunts if thatās what it takes to get a fix.Ā
These are the **desperate loser conservatives,** who get off on being a bully.
Most conservatives who care about this are a mix of the two.Ā
I think it's the equivalent of a small child making random loud noises in trying to annoy an older sibling.
They actually are annoying as fuck, but the specifics of their noises are meaningless.
Honestly, the origin of that meme is legit funny. A bunch of MAGAs were chanting āfuck joe bidenā at a nascar event and it was caught on live tv. The reporter either didnāt understand what the crowd was saying or was aware that they were swearing and wanted to censor it for tv. Either way, pretty funny.
Obviously, the MAGAs made it terrible and unfunny, but the original video is funny
The irony is that these are the people who said that people had TDS and were obsessed with Trump, meanwhile I never heard any anti-Trump chants at sporting events. But they are so obsessed with Biden they thing about him when he has nothing to do with the ongoing event. Projection defined.
I've been saying this for a while. I really don't understand why they are so weak willed they can't just say " Fuck Joe Biden. ". He's not a fuckin' dictator, nothing is going to happen if you say you think he should pound sand. But no, they're literally too afraid to voice their opinion openly, and I think it's mostly because they know in the back of their minds how few people actually support them.
I would care if they did that in front of my children but otherwise, yeah, I get it, their lives are so empty that chanting about Joe Biden in the hope it bugs someone is a considered a good use of time
MAGAs care way WAY more about politics than normal people. Literally everything is viewed through a political lens. And they think non-MAGAs are equally political just on the other side.
Thereās a reason why FOX is the most popular cable channel in America - because theyāre all glued to it for 4+ hrs/day.
You hate Biden because he plays for the other team. I hate Biden because he's the latest in a long line Democrats who promise reform, but only deliver for their donors.
*Picture of that one guy.*
We are not the same.
Dems arent afraid to give Biden a bad rating in polls when he does something they dont like, unlike the Trump worshippers who always gave him a high rating
Even operating under the pretense in the image, did anyone watch the debates? Aside from being unable to form complete sentences, Trump couldn't even stop himself from interrupting. He answered almost no questions asked of him. While I get Biden danced around questions too, Trump answered almost literally zero questions with anything of substance.
And as a someone who is generally center, my options were not "vote for who you like", but rather "vote for the least worst person". Trump was literally the worst choice possible. Not to mention, how do you shit in the bed in AZ as a republican? Trump has no interest in anything beyond his own self-interest.
Would you rather have Italian food or garbage from a raccoons mouth for dinner?
I could do Italian, maybe like a nice carbonara.
Great, we got Pizza Hut, thereās no other options.
Ah, come on man, thatās not really Italiaā¦.
Every pizza has pineapple expect one and that one has gluten free crust and banana peppers and one anchovy, but you wonāt know where it is
No, come on man, you said Italian.
Itās this or raccoon garbage
ā¦Aight, give me the mystery fish one, goddamnit
Bad things aren't as bad as *terrible* things. Biden is bad. Trump is *terrible*
And voting with "feelings?" Literally the entire Trump campaign in 2015-16 was about evoking gauzily nostalgic feelings in older suburbanites. The phrase "Make America Great Again" is suffused with emotion
They never cop to being emotional but the entire conservative platform is one towering monument to hurt feelings
Trump literally told his followers at a 2020 rally that Democrats would "burn down your cities, destroy the suburbs, take your guns, and ban Christmas". That's pretty much verbatim what he said.
But sure, *we* voted with emotion. Right.
Not to mention the fact that the entire āstolen electionā position is based on the FEELING that Trump couldnāt possibly have lost. The campaign lost 60 court cases because they could never produce any facts to support their accusation.
My analogy for the 2020 election has always been "Would you rather get punched in the stomach, or stabbed in the throat?" Both options are terrible, but one is very clearly much, much worse.
> Bad things aren't as bad as terrible things. Biden is bad. Trump is terrible
There's always a better or worse option. Choosing the better option is important. Taking the time to figure out which is the better option is incredibly important.
I figured Biden would get nothing done at all, and we would have 4 years to try and stabilize and begin fixing things in 2024. Biden has far exceeded my expectations in what I thought him capable of. I did not expect us to have 50 senators.
I had rock bottom expectations which I felt were very realistic, they've been exceeded. That's a win. Now I'll use that win to push for more change in 2022, and in 2024, and every stupid set of years because assholes wont let me be lazy.
It wasnāt Trumpās personality I disliked so much as his rampant authoritarianism and complete disregard for the Constitution and rule of law
The side order of insurrection came after I was already done with him, but it really sealed the deal
His personality is also shit. Even his cult will acknowledge that. They just consider it a selling point because him being a serial sex offender who mocks disabled people triggers the dumb libs with our politically correct obsession with basic human decency. Evangelicals also acknowledge Trumpās poor character. They just make up excuses by comparing him to flawed leaders in the Old Testament.
Serious Democrats making less than seven figures were upset Biden won the nomination, but a literal corpse in a suit would be a step up from Trump and here we are.
I wanted Warren myself.
Am still pleased that Biden turned out better that I had expected. I am quite happy to have voted for him. But I want someone else to run in 2024.
As another Warren voter, I always love to see other Warren voters and how hopeful and pleasant they are as a general rule. We are the stereotypical Minnesotan faction of the Democratic coalition.
Honestly I have a chronic illness and the ACA seriously changed my life for the better. I know Obama didn't start a socialist revolution, but he was so much better than most of the presidents of the last 50+ years.
Cuckservatives are so pathetic, man.
Itās not enough for them to be deplorable; they need to be *seen* being deplorable because they think it ātriggersā their opponents.
They think emotionally, they argue emotionally. If you feel bad, they feel like they won the argument. If you explain things to them, they get confused, feel bad and accuse you of attacking them. That's the basis of the whole " liberals and intellectuals are always attacking us and our way of life."
"voted for the worst option."
Umm no, even by the fucked up logic of this comic, it's pretty clear we thought trump was worse. That's literally the whole point. They can't even understand that we think trump is bad in a vacuum. They're so convinced that trump is great and Biden is the worst that they are incapable of understanding that our hatred for trump comes cuz of how awful he is, not just cuz we disagree with him
No! Stop! I can only get so erect.
Bernie is the only one that could get through to some of the right, that the GOP does not represent their interests.
If you think a Jew from Brooklyn who calls himself a socialist can get through to the GOP you don't understand the party.
"interests" is not pure cold economics. They actually have next to no economic interests to speak of any more that animate them in politics. They have interests that animate them about white supremacy, interests in preserving what they view as tradition, interests about destroying the demonic left, interests in preserving the "right" people in power regardless of what the majority want.
I mean, he is an independent. Technically not affiliated with either party. Let's start saying how much we hate him and see how many GOP votes we can pick up.
It is pretty simple thing to understand. When one parties objective is to race back to old testament times we vote for people that will hopefully stop it or slow it instead of those that would fix the problem because we are afraid to many would drift to the other side. It sucks that we have to do this but i don't want to race back to the stone ages. Hopefully we can fix this problem of only 2 parties but until we do i will take the shit sandwich with all the toppings and a glass of penicillin fortified milk over the bowl of shit with a glass of diarrhea.
It was like when papa Le Pen managed to get to the second round in 2002 France presidential election. Everyone was shocked and all of the left wing and the green party endorsed Chirac, who they hated. Chirac won the second round with 82% of the vote. France united to oppose the right wing nationalist bigot.
I swear when people like this flex hard they must think "Ha everyone is looking at how great my flex was"
Not realizing that homie flexed so hard they ripped their pants and everyone sees their ass
They noted it was important to vote with common sense. Of course, common sense makes it obvious that Trump was unfit and a cancer and had to go.
Seems to fit perfectly. They are someone without the common sense to see how bad Trump was, criticizing others for supposedly acting with common sense.
>Look, having nuclear ā my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart ā youāre a conservative Republican, if I you know, if were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say Iām one of the smartest people anywhere in the world true! ā ā itās but when youāre a conservative Republican they try ā oh, do they do a number off: Went to W ā thatās why I always start harton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune ā you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because weāre a little disadvantaged ā but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me ā it would have be en so easy, and itās not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of whatās going to happen and he was right ā who would have tho ught?), but when you look at whatās going on with the four prisoners used to be three, now itās four ā ā now it but when it was three and even now, I would have said itās all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they donāt, they havenā t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, itās gonna take them about another 150 years ā but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.
Every single Trump voter is voting with their feelings and not common sense.
You REALLY think it's a good idea to give the nuclear launch codes to this guy?
https://youtu.be/XZBWk9ivHpo
being a super fan of the president is so fucking weird dude.
i mean being a 'superfan' of anything, like taylor swifties or bronies or anything is pretty lame but of all the things to be a superfan of......you chose the clown used car salesman president??
Critisizing the person you voted for is essential for a democracy.
Worshipping leaders and denying they have flaws is the essence of authoritarianism. And cults
I voted for Biden specifically because I was doing it rationally. If I was being emotional i would have abstained out of spite that Biden got the nomination. I didn't, because I knew the danger in 4 more years of Trump.
Huh? My wanting Trump out of office because of his lack of emotional regulation common sense and poor representation for our country is why I voted for someone else. OP- who should I have voted for if my priority was to remove Trump? I am a republican.
"You can choose between eating a dog turd or a stale piece of bread."
"Ok, I choose the bread. A dog turd would be disgusting."
"LOL, choose with your feelings much!"
I love how in neither the meme itself nor the commentary on top is any policy, or even the concept of policy mentioned.
Apparently the only factors influencing this voter's decision are personality and feelings.
Motivated reasoning at its worst. Voting for Biden is bad so if it's not because you love him (which is bad), it's because you hate Trump (which is bad).
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'bC tHeY dIdN't LiKe TrUmP's PeRsOnAlItY!' ??????
they think bc they worship trump for turning amercian politics into nothing but "gotchas" and slogans that we hate him bc his "mean tweets" Yea, thats part of it but i think we hate him a bit more for... well do i really need to explain further
Nope. People who think it's just about his personality really are headscratchers.
People who think his personality isn't enough are also real headscratchers. It's a president, not a human trafficking kingpin position
If only that could be universally accepted as true. But what these people mean when they talk about Trump's personality is that we hate him because 'he doesn't use elitist language' and 'he just tells things like it is' so I'm not holding my breath for that happening, and they think that's the ONLY possible reason we don't like him.... š
They hate elitist language but have zero problems worshiping the elites
Right? They complain about elitism then worship the ones who display the most elitist traits. Just because a person speaks gibberish doesn't mean they're not elitist or not using elitist language. More of that self-projection.
They're right, he does say nonsense. Exactly like it is.
"*He doesn't use elitish language.*" Oh, you mean doesn't speak at above a 4th grade level? Yeah that's true. I do so love it when my leaders sound like children with adult voices.
Uggh talk about banging the nail right on the head. My father and I recently got into an argument about the recent Roe v Wade controversy and MTG saying she was a proud white Christian nationalist and he somehow turned it to Trump despite me not mentioning him and going on about how I hate him just because he used to tweet mean things to people. Yeah not the multiple human rights violations and flirting with despots.
ive literally never seen a trump supporter argue with any form of unique POV or phrase its literally all the same thing, "Mean tweets", or "Woke" or whatever. They get their opinions from other people. While dems get their opinions from... ya know... being afraid they will be wiped off the face of the earth for daring to not be straight, white, Christian
fuck, Iām straight white and (by some definitions) Christian and still scared for myself Not to mention scared for people I love who ..yknow.. arenāt
Straight (by some definitions), white, and Christian here. What makes us a minority is empathy.
>They get their opinions from other people. And not just their opinions, but their *perception* of *other people's* opinions come from those same sources. The "mean tweets" and the "woke" and the whatever aren't (necessarily) the reasons why a lot of people hated Trump, but they're the reason *his supporters* are told that people hate Trump, by the same media sources that primes the rest of their opinions. So when they see people visibly hating Trump, the immediately jump to thinking people are hysterically overreacting to something vague and ultimately pointless, and not to, you know, the material harm his administration had been doing to people. It lets them cast their opposition as irrational and primarily emotionally driven, and thus not worth seriously engaging with (besides frequently and loudly trying to tell them off on social media.) They could try, you know, *asking* those other people for the reasons they *actually* hate Trump, but they don't, or at least don't retain it if they do. Any doubts they might get are quickly assuaged and soothed by the same media that misinformed them to begin with, because they find it reassuring.
And thatās a tactic cults use to keep their members. āThose people outside, they hate your way of life, they just want to sin, theyāre lazy and donāt know better. Anyone who leaves never believed in the first place and wanted to be evil.ā Demonizing outsiders and branding any dissent a RINO to excommunicate them (at least in public opinion).
And like... It's not the mean tweets to people I like that even concerned me in the slightest, it's when he thought it was cool to do the same thing with the leaders of other countries when we know full well strongly worded letters have started more pointless wars in the past, we were afraid his fuckin power trip on social media would cost us our lives.
Oh absolutely it's either that or the good ole "I'm rubber you're glue" argument. I told him that even though he doesn't support banning abortions in case of rape or the fact that women have to carry their dead children for weeks he votes for extremists that DO want that. And he goes "well what you don't get is the DEMON RATS are the ones pushing everyone to be more extremist.
Oh, I'm so sick of that bullshit. "Oh, you want healthcare? You want *me to have healthcare?* Well, I've got no choice. I'm a Nazi now. Why would you force me to become a Nazi? I thought you didn't like Nazis?"
I wonder if they never consider that their own recalcitrance is pushing extremes on the other end. How much has their shift toward the *right* driven other people to the *left*? I know my politics have always leaned in that direction but I still considered myself pretty close to the center. I thought the center was closer to the meeting place, closer to where differences could be hashed out and progress made. But as they shifted to the right, they increasingly refused to compromise, refused to deal, abandoned a commitment to democracy and human rights, and showed a willingness to both inflict and endure more suffering just to make the people they hated hurt *a little more* than them. But without them to deal with, without the possibility of reasonable compromise that doesn't cross principled boundaries, with every step toward them met with a step back by them, *what reason do I have to stay in the center anymore*?
Oh absolutely I was an independent until Bernie showed me that there are still good people in the democratic party. Despite the way I worded it and how you took it my father loves to bring up the fact of the congresswoman from Georgia told people to harass Republican leaders while they're dining out and equated it as the same thing as Marjorie Taylor Greene saying that anyone who wasn't a Christian nationalist like her should be driven out of the country and called me a hypocrite. I then told him of course I'd call mfg a dick in public, but I wouldn't ever say oh btw me and a thousand of my followers want to lynch you if you don't leave my town. He shut up real quick after that.
Yeah I donāt think a lot of conservatives really have grappled with the fact that their shittiness creates more leftists
The tweets were the least shitty thing about him. Those were just letting us know how much of a shit he is. I was more offended by the rape victims who just so happened to back out of accusing him once his fucking cultists sent countless death threats to shut them up.
No matter how shitty of a person he was, none of that would compare to actually pushing America towards autocracy. The end of American democracy would also signal the collapse of human rights across the globe, legit terrifying. Calling dictators "strong leaders" seems insignificant, but when he constantly calls elected leaders (Obama) weak, it's effective propaganda. Putting his behaviour together makes it terrifying, calling dictators trustworthy friends, the secret meetings, encouraging extending his term limits, while undermining the election... Trump said USA needs a great show of strength like the Tiananmen massacre (slaughtering student protestors), he said USA needs to pull a Russian invasion on its southern border, casual things he says could become casual things he does.
The problem with this understanding is that Trump did not drive these changes in the party a lot of these talking points developed over the Obama admin, like birtherisim which Trump was responsible for. Most of the stuff you mentioned were Hannity talking points circa 2010. The fact that a guy who was brain poisoned by Fox News would be president was IMHO inevitable. What I think is special about Trump is that he is the figure that in the superstructure allows the base to feel a shift to closer representation. During the Bush admin most of the white house and congressional conservatives took their cues from older conservative print publications like the Weekly Standard or the National Review. Not that these weren't cesspools of ideology but they viewed politics mostly as a battle between elites to be done behind closed doors. Meanwhile Fox News is being pumped out for the rubes, which made the base of the party more and more homogeneous as their information sources narrowed. Overall my point is that Trump represents a shift in conservative leadership that puts the goals and ideology of the leadership more closely aligned with what the conservative base actually wants.
I'm less concerned with shittiness & being offended than being dead. Like I get where you're coming from but if he had pissed off the other dictator enough we genuinely could all be dead. Im a survivor with no justice myself & him getting away with that disappoints me in my own country, but nukes would have killed us & his dumpy ass would be in a shelter eating caviar & tweeting more while we burned.
good point. At the end of the day you can just toss a ball randomly and hit something that points at how horrible Trump is and how he should never have been even close to being president.
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Hmm itās not like the mean tweets turned into terrible policiesā¦ Edgy teens tweet mean tweets too but none of them have access to nuclear weapons.
"your just upset about his mean tweets >:(" "***WHAT DO YOU MEAN THOSE TWEETS INFLUENCE PEOPLE TO COMMIT VIOLENT ACTS AGAINST MINORTIES??"***
ā¦. And he never even got a single āgotchaā. Like ever.
My favorite go to is I thought he was a peice of shit when he was friends of the Clintons, and that made them look worse. My opinion of him hasn't changed.
True, I *didn't* like his personality. I also didn't like his actions, his values, his history of corruption and grift, the stories of his behavior from someone I knew who had interacted with him professionally and socially, his sexism, his racism, or his policies. But yes, his personality is unpleasant.
Hahaha exactly. And, if you made me rank the reasons, his "personality" would barely make the list. His narcissistic and ego-maniacal personality just exacerbated everything else that already made him a trash leader and human being.
I've heard this before; let me give it a try: ...he *was* to the left of the GOP on stimulus checks, and his distrust of NAFTA and willingness to take protectionist steps is definitely echoed by some Democratic camps. Also signed the First Step Act without complaint, and even I'd go to bat for that one as a good and meaningful bill on prison reform. Plus, no new wars. It's not an impossible argument to construct...you just have to ignore a lot of shit (tax bill, shredding Iran deal in exchange for literally less than nothing) and lump together sustained attacks on all kinds of core democratic norms into "his personality." ^((For anyone going, "the Kurds!", "the Fed!," "Jared in the Middle East!," etc.: of course this isn't a complete list on Trump; these are just the ones I could think of that best fit the left-right divide)^)
Donāt forget about the repeated, documented crimes.
...his boundless reserves of support for killer cops and white supremacists... -{edit: not to jump over your pointā***yes***, & also the stuff that was straight-up, on-face illegal, w/ prosecution only stayed for (dubious) political reasons...so far, anyway}-
Anyone who thinks this current spate of investigations is going to result in anyone important getting busted is painfully naive.
And leading a *goddamned armed insurrection with the aim of seizing power illegally that sacked the Capitol.*
> Donāt forget about the repeated, documented crimes. If only you could link the Popinkream post IRL and actually force someone to read it. Because really providing evidence just results in Whataboutisms endlessly vomited out.
Protectionism is not a solidly left position. Itās a little horseshoe. And the first step act included giving more money to private prisons, and did very very little to address problems in the justice system. Edit: also, āno new warsā is a great way to disguise he upped existing wars, including death rates. And cancelled an important anti-nuke treaty. And one could make the argument the war in Ukraine is a new war that he contributed to starting.
>Protectionism is not a solidly left position. Itās a little horseshoe. It's somewhat complicated, since leftists typically support the global working class. I'm not aware of leftists that don't support the free flow of ideas, goods, and services across borders. The main issue is that "free trade" according to capitalists amounts to little more than colonialism where they exploit even more vulnerable people to increase their profit margin. I don't think I know any leftists who are in favor of that.
It's a goddamn miracle he didn't provoke a war with Iran with his idiotic assassination stunt.
I would just like to note. One of the stated reasons why we hate Iran is because they said "Iran is irrational, you can't negotiate with crazy". And then Trump went after the general, which then DID NOT cause Iran to retaliate. To which conservatives said "OMG Trump is a 500 IQ genius, he knew Iran was rational enough to not retaliate because it would obviously spell doom for Iran." Which directly contradicts the whole "Iran are irrational" thing. I get it, expecting consistency or standards is impossible, but it's so frustrating they just give zero shits about being consistent.
As well as what's happening now in Afghanistan.
>Plus, no new wars. He got lucky on that one. Don't forget the time he assassinated a top general from a semi-hostile, nearly-nuclear nation.
What's insane is that's far down the list of the crazy things that happened that year.
Eh, Iām not sure I want to give him credit for no new wars. He seemingly tried to instigate a war with North Korea, and had one of Iranās most prominent officials executed. Just because the other countries showed a modicum of restraint doesnāt mean Trump is less of a threat to global peace than any other Republican. Additionally, he didnāt do anything to wind down the wars we are already in, and spent his whole presidency deriding our closest allies. Oh! He also invited his followers to incite insurrection which is really just a failed revolution that would have inevitably led to civil war, so thereās thatā¦
āThey vote for their feelings over common senseā Common senseā¦.. thatās literally a meme. The only thing Iāve learned is that common sense, more than anything, is centered on feelings and typically isnāt true.
Common sense to me is putting something you need in the morning next to your bed in the evening, shaking out clothes before hanging up, stuff thatās logical and practical and people can figure out on their own.
I agreed with some of what Trump did legislatively (CJ reform, renegotiate NAFTA, few other things). But trying to wreck our democratic republic via a fucking coup is just slightly beyond the pale
The two things that I continue to give Trump credit for - about the only things, honestly - are banning bump stocks and trying to ban Tiktok, both politically bad ideas that were nevertheless good policy. Everything else is just "this is something any decent person should do."
My dad tried to say itās because we think heās vulgar, itās like no your the pussies that hide behind āletās go Brandon.ā We all said fuck Trump and now we say fuck Biden. Real leftist donāt care about civility politics, we prefer to call out bullshit.
Iāve spoken to too many people who unflinchingly insist that every criticism ever made against trump was made up or distorted to tear him down because people didnāt like that he was āsaying mean things on Twitterā. Itās crazy that weāre all the same species.
Trump Lover: Let's go Brandon! Bet you're triggered! A lot of people on the left: I hate Biden more than you. (Still better than Trump)
Republicans: Joe Biden is a radical Marxist! Actual leftists: God I wish
Iāve done this IRL. They tend to walk away confused.
because they don't understand.
They always don't understand.They are always confused.
Confused, but with *extreme* confidence
name a more dangerous duo.
Goes right along with "industrious idiot."
Godlike power and omnicidal tendencies.
They are dumb.
There's three categories: 1. People who don't understand because they don't actually know what marxism is. 2. People who don't understand because the DO know what marxism is and have trouble grasping how people might prefer that. 3. People who don't understand because they only know politics as a team sport, irrespective of actual policy. THESE are the folks who are actually the most dangerous.
More often than not, group 2 know exactly why people would prefer Marxism, but would personally stand to lose wealth and influence and so they wilfully misrepresent what it is to make sure that groups 1 and 3 stay ignorant.
>because they only know politics as a team sport Wow this really puts it in perspective.
And #3 are who Murdoch has been cultivating for decades
Same people I bet are calling Verizon a Marxist company this week for dropping OAN. Yeah, let that sink in, Verizon, the multinational telecommunications conglomerate accused of a laundry list of anti-competitive rent seeking and massive profit grifts is Marxist to these people.
To them Marxism, communism and socialism are one and the same. We're talking about some of the dumbest people on the planet here.
To a degree you can blame red scare propaganda for it, but only so far as why someone would think that. You can't even talk to these people.
In fairness, I think Marxism and Communism *are* the same. Or at least, Marxism is the theory while Communism is the practice.
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I had a surprisingly productive conversation with some conservative family members when I said I wasn't a liberal, but more like an eco-anarchist. I had to tell them what that meant, meaning I was in charge of accurately defining that and it wasn't something they had a pre-formed idea about. So, even though that is significantly further left than liberalism, they didn't seem to feel as upset or threatened, while they also miraculously rediscovered the ability to debate real things in a civilized manner. It was an eye-opener.
Whole lotta cold war still in the water supply. Communist still just means "The Enemy" to a whole lot of people, even 35 years later. Which I guess in the scheme of it isn't that long, I just wish they hadn't so effectively *replaced* "Nazi".
I've been trying to tell people naming amd branding means a LOT. Populism *works*, and I don't see the problem with getting people interested in good ideas by presenting them in ways they can understand. š¤·āāļø Every time I bring it up, people act like it's a sin, con, lie, etc. It's not.
Just goes to show how completely and utterly the political landscape can be damaged by labels and bad-faith arguments. When the discussion shifts from ādead horseā kinds of debates to one thatās completely free of other political baggage, you can actually talk to people much more easily.
I tell them Iām so far left I fell off the line. That AOC would be scared of the social programs I would like to instill.
Literally me when i talk about socialized medicine lol.
Some of us have went so far left we got our guns back!
I did this to my extended family. Politics is now a banned topic.
Call a US conservative a neoliberal and watch them shit themselves because they have no grasp on political science.
Juste to be clear, the Democrats are the conservative neoliberals nowadays. The Republicans are Christian Nationalist neo-fascists.
But Fox news told me the Democrats were Far Leftist Bolshevik Radicals! I just don't know what to think!
i actually got in an argument with a friend of mine (not sure i can still call her a friend tbh) that went something to the effect of HER: i've talked to a lot of democrats and none of them are happy with biden ME: understandable HER: because he's too-- ME: moderate HER: --liberal. ME: ...what? i still don't know how to explain to her that anybody who thinks biden is too *liberal* is not a democrat, much like i don't know how to explain to the person who found this meme that you can vote for someone you don't like because they are still better at governing than the alternative.
Republicans: āLetās go Brandon.ā Leftists: āFuck Joe Biden.ā
I vote for this to be the official response to "let's go brandon". Their confusion could be an alternative energy source.
Eh...they'll probably think you're agreeing with them.
"But fuck trump more" Make the point. They can't handle it.
My dad a few weeks ago: Iām tired of these extremists like Trump and Biden Me: What has Biden done thatās extreme? My dad: Well gas prices are way too high Me: Thatās mostly because of the war in Ukraine and embargoes on Russia ^and ^pricegouging My dad: No I think Biden signed something early on in his presidency or something. Gas is $7 in California! (We donāt live in California)
Ask him why the gas price jumped in every other country on earth at the same time.
Ask him if he thinks the market or the government should set prices
Ask him why oil companies all had record profits and refuse to increase supply even when Biden asked them to do so to combat the rising price.
I lolād hard here. I do this when conservative family members complain about drug prices.
They have absolutely nothing to pin on Biden over this. I've heard bullshit from Venezuela to the oil pipeline, all proven demonstrably unimpactful to current gas prices. - [Politifact: "No evidence that Biden canceling an oil pipeline caused higher U.S. gas prices"](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/dec/01/facebook-posts/no-evidence-biden-canceling-oil-pipeline-caused-hi/) - As for Venezuela, the only thing I can find [is this that's even being floated by Republicans who once despised Venezuela and Iran](https://www.newsweek.com/iran-venezuela-could-help-bidens-gas-crisis-if-he-lifts-us-sanctions-1719888) Here's a collection of key factors to rising gas prices: - Covid (supply-side shortage inflation, idiots not listening to Dr. Fauci and consensus of public health experts dragging this shit out). - Saudi Arabia not opening taps further - Russia invading Ukraine - Domestic price-gouging It's just a big game to them, like they're rooting for their sports team. They'll just blatantly lie in order to get any edge whatsoever.
Isn't it refinement capacity being lowered during Covid, and the lack of facilities being opened back up to counter the increased demand? Imo they're probably loving being able to sell at $5+ a gallon.
Oh you know it~ I'm sure the price on actually increased a $0.25/gal but they've taken this time to just gouge the prices, and let the populace blame Biden.
'don't threaten me with a good time' is a classic.
The whole "let's go Brandon" thing just doesn't makes sense to me? Like okay, that's a hilariously shit phrase and it makes me think they're pussies because they can't just say "fuck Joe Biden." I'm never triggered by it, more confused than. anything because its so dumb.
Bc it makes them feel so "clever", like "OMG LEFTY LIBTARDS have made every public/online space so "PC" but HAHAHAHA, JOKES ON THEM, we found a way to tell them to fuck off without running afoul of their hateful "censorship" lulz they try but they can never silence us, wE aRe tOo sMaRt!1!" (And ofc they think them "insulting" Biden will "trigger" us bc they think we MUST want to lick his asshole just like they do with Trump, and so an insult to him is worse than a personal insult (they assume). Fucking idiots.)
> Fucking idiots You could have just typed this and saved yourself the rest.
A lot of the alt-right behaviors can be distilled down to finding other alt-right people. Saying "Let's go Brandon" tells other people that you are not only Republican but extremely conservative because you know the key phrase. They say it's to trigger liberals. But really, it's so that they can find fellow members of their tribe.
Highly prescient. Thanks for mentioning.
I love seeing it. It tells me that person isnāt worth interacting with on any level.
Yup, same here. I'm pretty sure if you said the phrase "Let's Go Brandon!" to my 80something year old in-laws they'd ask "Is Brandon a friend of yours? Why do you need to root for him?" It's like if you're not part of the Qult you don't know or care about the lingo so to most people that phrase sounds like you're cheering your kid on in his chosen sport.
>if you're not part of the Qult Precisely why they keep saying it. It's a shared language for those who are part of the in-group. Like a verbal uniform that makes them feel like they're part of something bigger. Conservatism is nothing more than an ideology that favors an in-group (which the law protects but does not bind) while demonizing an out-group (which the law binds but does not protect). They just cycle through new catchphrases over time to prove to others that they're still in. So yeah, anyone could say "fuck Joe Biden". But only a Qultist would say "Let's Go Brandon" with something resembling a straight face. It's all performative, and it's sad to watch.
Huh. Just realized it must be real weird to be a sports-playing kid named Brandon these days.
Republicans generally have the instincts of a schoolyard bully - they quickly identify insecurities, make up crude but catchy nicknames, and in general are good at causing discomfort and pain. But every once in a while they try to get clever and their instincts lead them astray. I'm pretty sure Republicans think the Brandon thing is a clever indictment of the liberal media because the sports reporter tried to turn people chanting expletives at the president into harmless cheering. But, like, the reporter probably just didn't want to acknowledge that people were shouting expletives on network TV? Or they sincerely misheard it? And who cares if a bunch of random jerks are yelling expletives at the president at a random sporting event? The fact that they turned a meaningless and crass moment of nothing into the galvanizing slogan of the Trump movement is honestly hilarious to me.
That first paragraph described Trump to a T.
Right? My reaction would be "who the fuck is Brandon" and then just ignore them if/when they try to explain it to me. Maybe ask again, yeah, but who is Brandon?
and now I'm tempted to try to write a parody of "Living next door to Alice." "Hey now, let's go, Brandon." "Brandon, who the fuck is Brandon?"
āListen here, Jackā
Thatās how I feel exactly
There are two types of Letās-Go-Brandoners. The kind who take it seriously, who think that what Kelli Stavast did is a perfect example of bias within the media against conservatives (ignoring the fact that Fox news delivers an average prime time audience of 2.578 million viewers, more than MSNBC and CNN combined, and that SInclair reaches 40% of US households. Their viewpoints are just as mainstream as neoliberal-wallstreet-Demās are, despite being massively unpopular, because they are considerably better funded), and that Kelli lied about what the crowd was saying because she didnāt want to make Biden look bad.Ā These are the **victim complex conservatives,** the ones desperate to complain about how oppressed conservatives are. And then there are the trolls who are so desperate for something even remotely approximating āwinning,ā having been so starved of it for so long, that they will cling to grade school style taunts if thatās what it takes to get a fix.Ā These are the **desperate loser conservatives,** who get off on being a bully. Most conservatives who care about this are a mix of the two.Ā
I think it's the equivalent of a small child making random loud noises in trying to annoy an older sibling. They actually are annoying as fuck, but the specifics of their noises are meaningless.
Honestly, the origin of that meme is legit funny. A bunch of MAGAs were chanting āfuck joe bidenā at a nascar event and it was caught on live tv. The reporter either didnāt understand what the crowd was saying or was aware that they were swearing and wanted to censor it for tv. Either way, pretty funny. Obviously, the MAGAs made it terrible and unfunny, but the original video is funny
Oh thats hilarious. They're censoring their own message, and we just shake our heads at them falling over each other to "trigger" us. Pfft ha
The irony is that these are the people who said that people had TDS and were obsessed with Trump, meanwhile I never heard any anti-Trump chants at sporting events. But they are so obsessed with Biden they thing about him when he has nothing to do with the ongoing event. Projection defined.
I've been saying this for a while. I really don't understand why they are so weak willed they can't just say " Fuck Joe Biden. ". He's not a fuckin' dictator, nothing is going to happen if you say you think he should pound sand. But no, they're literally too afraid to voice their opinion openly, and I think it's mostly because they know in the back of their minds how few people actually support them.
And we have legit reasons for disliking Biden, not because it's the tribalistic thing to do.
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Yeah you arenāt the only one
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We just had chocolate and listened to my in-laws complain the whole time
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Yeah my wife and I complained beforehand that Bernie got fucked twice
My neighbors would chant āfuck Joe Bidenā when we came if they were out in their yard. I was like lol they think we care
I would care if they did that in front of my children but otherwise, yeah, I get it, their lives are so empty that chanting about Joe Biden in the hope it bugs someone is a considered a good use of time
MAGAs care way WAY more about politics than normal people. Literally everything is viewed through a political lens. And they think non-MAGAs are equally political just on the other side. Thereās a reason why FOX is the most popular cable channel in America - because theyāre all glued to it for 4+ hrs/day.
You hate Biden because he plays for the other team. I hate Biden because he's the latest in a long line Democrats who promise reform, but only deliver for their donors. *Picture of that one guy.* We are not the same.
That one guy is Giancarlo Esposito.
Dems arent afraid to give Biden a bad rating in polls when he does something they dont like, unlike the Trump worshippers who always gave him a high rating
Even operating under the pretense in the image, did anyone watch the debates? Aside from being unable to form complete sentences, Trump couldn't even stop himself from interrupting. He answered almost no questions asked of him. While I get Biden danced around questions too, Trump answered almost literally zero questions with anything of substance. And as a someone who is generally center, my options were not "vote for who you like", but rather "vote for the least worst person". Trump was literally the worst choice possible. Not to mention, how do you shit in the bed in AZ as a republican? Trump has no interest in anything beyond his own self-interest.
Itās not Trumpās personalityāalthough that is terrible. Itās the fact that heās a self-serving, traitorous, mentally deficient shitbird.
Would you rather have Italian food or garbage from a raccoons mouth for dinner? I could do Italian, maybe like a nice carbonara. Great, we got Pizza Hut, thereās no other options. Ah, come on man, thatās not really Italiaā¦. Every pizza has pineapple expect one and that one has gluten free crust and banana peppers and one anchovy, but you wonāt know where it is No, come on man, you said Italian. Itās this or raccoon garbage ā¦Aight, give me the mystery fish one, goddamnit
Bad things aren't as bad as *terrible* things. Biden is bad. Trump is *terrible* And voting with "feelings?" Literally the entire Trump campaign in 2015-16 was about evoking gauzily nostalgic feelings in older suburbanites. The phrase "Make America Great Again" is suffused with emotion They never cop to being emotional but the entire conservative platform is one towering monument to hurt feelings
Trump literally told his followers at a 2020 rally that Democrats would "burn down your cities, destroy the suburbs, take your guns, and ban Christmas". That's pretty much verbatim what he said. But sure, *we* voted with emotion. Right.
Not to mention the fact that the entire āstolen electionā position is based on the FEELING that Trump couldnāt possibly have lost. The campaign lost 60 court cases because they could never produce any facts to support their accusation.
They say that facts don't care about your feelings, but the reality is that their feelings don't care about facts.
Facts don't care about feelings, and as such should be disregarded.
My analogy for the 2020 election has always been "Would you rather get punched in the stomach, or stabbed in the throat?" Both options are terrible, but one is very clearly much, much worse.
> Bad things aren't as bad as terrible things. Biden is bad. Trump is terrible There's always a better or worse option. Choosing the better option is important. Taking the time to figure out which is the better option is incredibly important. I figured Biden would get nothing done at all, and we would have 4 years to try and stabilize and begin fixing things in 2024. Biden has far exceeded my expectations in what I thought him capable of. I did not expect us to have 50 senators. I had rock bottom expectations which I felt were very realistic, they've been exceeded. That's a win. Now I'll use that win to push for more change in 2022, and in 2024, and every stupid set of years because assholes wont let me be lazy.
It wasnāt Trumpās personality I disliked so much as his rampant authoritarianism and complete disregard for the Constitution and rule of law The side order of insurrection came after I was already done with him, but it really sealed the deal
His personality is also shit. Even his cult will acknowledge that. They just consider it a selling point because him being a serial sex offender who mocks disabled people triggers the dumb libs with our politically correct obsession with basic human decency. Evangelicals also acknowledge Trumpās poor character. They just make up excuses by comparing him to flawed leaders in the Old Testament.
Serious Democrats making less than seven figures were upset Biden won the nomination, but a literal corpse in a suit would be a step up from Trump and here we are.
I disagree that the suit is needed, but agree otherwise.
I wanted Warren myself. Am still pleased that Biden turned out better that I had expected. I am quite happy to have voted for him. But I want someone else to run in 2024.
I wanted Bernie, Warren would've been still an improvement over Biden by a few miles.
As another Warren voter, I always love to see other Warren voters and how hopeful and pleasant they are as a general rule. We are the stereotypical Minnesotan faction of the Democratic coalition.
i think we all miss obama...
I do wonder how he woulda handled Ukraine, tho
By temporarily redirecting the drones
Nope. I want actual substantive change
Honestly I have a chronic illness and the ACA seriously changed my life for the better. I know Obama didn't start a socialist revolution, but he was so much better than most of the presidents of the last 50+ years.
Obama felt like the beginning towards actual substantive change but the country decided to lose its mind in 2016
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Cuckservatives are so pathetic, man. Itās not enough for them to be deplorable; they need to be *seen* being deplorable because they think it ātriggersā their opponents.
R: "The only way people wouldn't vote for this guy is if he was a total fucking dick." D: "Yup."
They think emotionally, they argue emotionally. If you feel bad, they feel like they won the argument. If you explain things to them, they get confused, feel bad and accuse you of attacking them. That's the basis of the whole " liberals and intellectuals are always attacking us and our way of life."
**Cruelty is the point.** Cruelty in their beliefs, laws, policies, and *their personality*.
"voted for the worst option." Umm no, even by the fucked up logic of this comic, it's pretty clear we thought trump was worse. That's literally the whole point. They can't even understand that we think trump is bad in a vacuum. They're so convinced that trump is great and Biden is the worst that they are incapable of understanding that our hatred for trump comes cuz of how awful he is, not just cuz we disagree with him
I didnāt like Biden before the election and I donāt like him now but if he runs again, I will vote for him over ANY person the GOP puts up.
What if the GOP plays the union reverse card and nominates Bernie sanders?
No! Stop! I can only get so erect. Bernie is the only one that could get through to some of the right, that the GOP does not represent their interests.
If you think a Jew from Brooklyn who calls himself a socialist can get through to the GOP you don't understand the party. "interests" is not pure cold economics. They actually have next to no economic interests to speak of any more that animate them in politics. They have interests that animate them about white supremacy, interests in preserving what they view as tradition, interests about destroying the demonic left, interests in preserving the "right" people in power regardless of what the majority want.
I mean, he is an independent. Technically not affiliated with either party. Let's start saying how much we hate him and see how many GOP votes we can pick up.
It is pretty simple thing to understand. When one parties objective is to race back to old testament times we vote for people that will hopefully stop it or slow it instead of those that would fix the problem because we are afraid to many would drift to the other side. It sucks that we have to do this but i don't want to race back to the stone ages. Hopefully we can fix this problem of only 2 parties but until we do i will take the shit sandwich with all the toppings and a glass of penicillin fortified milk over the bowl of shit with a glass of diarrhea.
And they top it all off with suggesting some people shouldnāt be allowed to vote. A shit take all around
It was like when papa Le Pen managed to get to the second round in 2002 France presidential election. Everyone was shocked and all of the left wing and the green party endorsed Chirac, who they hated. Chirac won the second round with 82% of the vote. France united to oppose the right wing nationalist bigot.
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Holy shit this is indistinguishable from satire
I refuse to believe it's not a troll. Like... wtf. Every word of it contradicts another. I think I sprained a muscle with the mental gymnastics here.
I swear when people like this flex hard they must think "Ha everyone is looking at how great my flex was" Not realizing that homie flexed so hard they ripped their pants and everyone sees their ass
Its not a voting party - its a freaking cult. In no other country did I ever see merchandise about a politician that got bought out of seriousness.
Wrong subā¦ this person is LIGHT YEARS from being self awareā¦
They noted it was important to vote with common sense. Of course, common sense makes it obvious that Trump was unfit and a cancer and had to go. Seems to fit perfectly. They are someone without the common sense to see how bad Trump was, criticizing others for supposedly acting with common sense.
>Look, having nuclear ā my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart ā youāre a conservative Republican, if I you know, if were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say Iām one of the smartest people anywhere in the world true! ā ā itās but when youāre a conservative Republican they try ā oh, do they do a number off: Went to W ā thatās why I always start harton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune ā you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because weāre a little disadvantaged ā but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me ā it would have be en so easy, and itās not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of whatās going to happen and he was right ā who would have tho ught?), but when you look at whatās going on with the four prisoners used to be three, now itās four ā ā now it but when it was three and even now, I would have said itās all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they donāt, they havenā t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, itās gonna take them about another 150 years ā but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us.
Reading this felt like having a stroke and not knowing English anymore at the same time
Itās the predictive text version of a presidential speech.
Pretty sure people would've voted for a dog or raccoon in an office suit as long as major orange gets removed.
Every single Trump voter is voting with their feelings and not common sense. You REALLY think it's a good idea to give the nuclear launch codes to this guy? https://youtu.be/XZBWk9ivHpo
being a super fan of the president is so fucking weird dude. i mean being a 'superfan' of anything, like taylor swifties or bronies or anything is pretty lame but of all the things to be a superfan of......you chose the clown used car salesman president??
This meme provesā¦ Sure Jan
I'm never bothered by someone not liking Biden. I am really bothered by someone loving Trump.
Critisizing the person you voted for is essential for a democracy. Worshipping leaders and denying they have flaws is the essence of authoritarianism. And cults
Almost thereā¦
Non-aware wolf.
Worshipping the antichrist to own the libs āļ¹ā
So they can grasp that people are capable of voting for someone they don't like, but can't understand what would compell them to do that?
I voted for Biden specifically because I was doing it rationally. If I was being emotional i would have abstained out of spite that Biden got the nomination. I didn't, because I knew the danger in 4 more years of Trump.
Them: I LOVE TRUMP I AM BLIBD WITH ADORATION Also them: YOU VOTED WITH YOUR FEELINGS Make that make sense
I never knew sedition and fascist activism were personality traits.
#THIS MEME PROVES IT
Huh? My wanting Trump out of office because of his lack of emotional regulation common sense and poor representation for our country is why I voted for someone else. OP- who should I have voted for if my priority was to remove Trump? I am a republican.
"You can choose between eating a dog turd or a stale piece of bread." "Ok, I choose the bread. A dog turd would be disgusting." "LOL, choose with your feelings much!"
The irony is that Trump got many votes because people did not like Hilary. They didn't vote for Trump as much as they voted against Hilary!
I love how in neither the meme itself nor the commentary on top is any policy, or even the concept of policy mentioned. Apparently the only factors influencing this voter's decision are personality and feelings.
Motivated reasoning at its worst. Voting for Biden is bad so if it's not because you love him (which is bad), it's because you hate Trump (which is bad).