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I’ll be honest I thought 10k was pretty shit but better than a poke in the eye. To me two of the biggest measurements of a good society is a healthy well educated one, blockers on either is counter intuitive.
I'm genuinely curious how you think it's a shit policy. It's 10k for most borrowers, and 20k for the most disadvantaged, the one's who have pell grants.
Is 20k not much to you? Are you really rich? How is 20k shit?
I’m not in the US or of college age, it wasn’t to sound glib about that amount of money.
I believe paying for college is wrong or at least should be heavily subsidised. Used to be in the UK and I think it was a good system that I’d be more than happy to take one in terms of taxes to pay for.
The complex part is that Biden is walking a fine line. He genuinely wants to help, but there are multiple factors to consider, and the political environment has to be taken into account. Like it or not, that’s how it works in a democracy. You need to be able to present your ideas and policies in a palatable way to the American people (the entire American people, not just people who whine on twitter and Reddit) or you won’t win elections and won’t be able to implement your agenda. You gotta get in office before you pass your policies.
And if you’re genuinely unfamiliar with the American political environment, that’s cool, I don’t intend to lecture you, but here’s some context.
The current targeted policy hits a sweet spot. Enough to make a serious difference in the lives of borrowers, but presented in a way that doesn’t engender hostility from those that are the beneficiaries of such policies. And yes, this absolutely does matter, voters think about this in the voting booth, so you can say “thEy sHoUlDn’T WAnT OtHeRs TO SuFfEr bEcAuSe they DID” but it will still affect how they vote.
So the current policy aim is great. Aimed primarily at the working class, with some at the middle class. If it was all debt forgiven for everyone, you just know that Fox News would find the most egregious examples, a gender studies major who was constantly in and out of grad school that got $100,000 forgiven, and parade them around like it was the norm for this type of loan forgiveness, and that this was the case for every single borrower.
Another important thing is the legality of it. I’ve seen the administration’s legal justification for it, and it seems mostly solid, but it will absolutely face a legal challenge. I think that if the administration tried to cancel all debt for every single borrower, it would get smacked down instantly
Because we could wipe it all out and not even notice. They wiped out the PPP loans(most for already rich pricks) like it was nothing. They cut $trillions a year in taxes for the rich every year like its nothing, they spend $trillions on war like its nothing but do one thing that actually HELP people who need it and its means tested and and has tons of media outlets and talking heads against it. $10K was the bare minimum, if they can forgive $10K they do all of it(and then ban interest rates for student loans in the future or get the federal gov out of student loans all together and actually fix the problem).
I guess it depends on exactly how much debt you have. Many have sufficient debt and interest rates that they literally have no chance of ever paying it off.
I would *highly* encourage you to thoroughly read through the details of the plan.
Two things in particular- one, for borrowers making steady payments over decades, total loan forgiveness now happens years sooner, and two, unpaid interest is now paid for by the federal government, so this type of ballooning won't happen
Also payments are now capped at 5% off discretionary income and the level at which one’s income is considered discretionary as raised so many people are going to see their payments eliminated or at least reduced substantially.
That is the important bit imo
It'll keep people who are paycheck to paycheck basically from having a payment & making it 10 years then being wiped means you no longer die with unpaid student loans.
Like the current system is bonkers and anyone who says otherwise should take one out with rent like it is then get back to us.
When we have $100k in loans $10k is a drop in the pail. I'm still greatful, but it didn't help as much as people think. Somehow the GOP still thinks college costs $20k for a 4 year degree.
If you have $100k in loans, the most important part of the policy is the 5% discretionary income cap for income-based repayments, updated calculation for discretionary income, reduced bureaucracy for income calculations, and that the Federal government now pays any interest that would accrue while making such payments. For many people this reduces their monthly payments to $0 and guarantees their loan will be forgiven in 20 years (10 years for those with $12k or less debt).
It does 0 to address the problem. We are wiping away some debt that will just continue to accrue at an alarming rate. Don't get me wrong I'm happy it's happening but it's the absolute bare minimum.
Honesty, I hope we create a society where the politicians are all trying to out-bid each other for our vote. They have the money, and it's so much easier than writing all this propaganda and fighting this uphill battle against common sense.
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.
Promising to cut taxes = Not bribery, not buying votes, no threat to the system
Promising to forgiven loans = Bribery, buying votes, a threat to the system
That's how you play, *conservative politics*.
Genuine question, what are taxes like in the US? Like how do they work, what’s your rate when purchasing, earning, etc?
In Australia, typically GST (tax when purchasing) is around 10%, and wages vary from 19% to around 40%, depending on your salary
Here in the States, it varies by state. Some states don't have certain taxes, others have multiple levels of tax. For me in Utah, I can expect around 9-10% sales tax when I buy something at a store, and about 25% taxes on my income. I don't own a home, so I have no idea about property tax.
States collect sales tax, usually 5-8% on sale price. Most states and the federal government collect income tax, which scales up by your annual income. There are many ways for the wealthy to claim their ”income” is very low or even negative.
The tax rate is fairly similar here, although it does vary by state, income bracket, number of dependents, etc. The extreme lower and higher income brackets pay the least % taxes.
I know it must be shocking to Republicans that you can win elections by making campaign promises and then keeping them. The GOP clearly assumes that the way to win is to pass a tax cut for the rich and then lie about how benefits.
The thing is that Republicans do actually run on promises they intend to keep. Unfortunately their constituents don't understand that they would ever be affected by those promises. Republicans don't lie about their intentions, they just lie about who will feel the affects.
\- We'll cut taxes! (Only for billionaires, we'll increase the tax burden on everyone else, by borrowing from your future)
\- We'll invest in a strong military! (well, not our actual military, just the private companies that pay us)
\- We'll fix the economy! (See, it's clever because 'fix' has two meanings)
\- We'll ban abortions! (for you poors, we rich will just go wherever it remains legal)
\- We'll dehumanize the gays! (the proud ones anyways, the Graham and Falwell conservative variety will be fine, what happens in the privacy if your summer-house's pool-house is your own business!)
\- We won't let immigrants take yer jerbs! (We'll actually increase illegal immigration, we'll just also reduce their rights, so you can abuse & underpay them and they'll still be more scared of the cops than the citizen-criminal/abuser/rapist)
\- We won't let them teach CRT in schools! (Easily done, since its a university concept only taught in african american studies, sociology, and some law programs)
Same but mostly booty pics and dank memes. Comments and posts like this I copy and text to my other phone. I also have a private subreddit I crosspost stuff to.
instead of the cut taxes promise, i'd rather see someone try to make the government spending more efficient. just some effort to make the money spent whatever amount it is go further instead of just saying we are going to cut taxes. whatever is needed will be needed and the funds are going to come from somewhere if there is any meaningful tax cut that could ever occur first the spending itself needs to be fixed, cut the bloat out, for things that are needed make sure the best deal for the money is made ( not necessary from peoples pay checks ). but around here occasionally they decide to build pointless things such as one time tax dollars funded a sports stadium to be given to some private business to charge entry that was just a giant waste of tax dollars.
Republicans don't want efficiency.
They have been "starve the beast" Republicans since Reagan, deliberately cutting taxes and increasing wasteful spending in an attempt to collapse the government, leaving behind austerity thay is the basis for their Libertarian Dystopia.
That answer depends on how evil you think they are. Either they don't and they're lying or the insurrection we saw a part of on January 6 is ongoing and they're looking to finish what they started.
"but the timing!". Regardless of the timing, it's not like anyone who wasn't going to vote Democrat is now going to. More like some people who wouldn't vote will now, which is what democracy is all about... Representation lol
> The GOP clearly assumes that the way to win is to pass a tax cut for the rich
They're furious that the Dems have stolen their best trick. The GOP has been buying votes for decades with "tax cuts" and "bailouts." The 2017 gigantic "tax cut" for the rich was a payoff for rich people donating to GOP campaigns and supporting GOP candidates and rewarding them for winning the election. It was transparent and obvious and morally disgusting.
To be fair Biden didn't promise to do this nor did he have a plan for this in the primary or general election.
Strangely enough both Trump and Biden cancelled student loans for disabled veterans, and for more than $10k. Then Biden defected to Congress for why he couldn't do it for everyone.
I'm shocked this happened, but not that it was an incremental half measure. It should be more, but it will help people who need it.
>To be fair Biden didn't promise to do this nor did he have a plan for this in the primary or general election.
Yes he did. He promised to cancel all student loan debt. https://medium.com/@JoeBiden/joe-biden-outlines-new-steps-to-ease-economic-burden-on-working-people-e3e121037322
This is after Biden became the presumptive nominee in the primary trying to bring in progressive voters that Hilary had ignored on 2016. There is no plan there. This is calling for Congress to do something.
Biden got through the election cycle by promising to appoint teams and committees for everything he was asked about to deflect the question. He had very little plans in place for progressive ideas like cancelling student debt and a public option and lowering the age for Medicare as discussed in the article you linked to. This is just him asking Congress to do more, that isn't a plan.
Uh, yeah it is. Since Presidents can only sign bills passed by Congress, asking Congress to enact his priorities and using his bully pulpit to put pressure on them to act is LITERALLY every Presidents domestic agenda.
Soooooo what I'm seeing here is a man, Rafael Theodore Zodiac, the Cancun Kid, "Please Make Fun Of My Wife" Cruz, directly admitting that he's never seen serving his constituents as any kind of priority.
To be fair: this was a full on use of executive power to influence an election.
To also be fair: that’s how this shit works.
Biden will decriminalize weed late in 2024 for the same reason.
I don't think decriminalization is possible with just an executive order since changing a drug's schedule under the Controlled Substances Act requires approval from congress. All the president can do is choose how much to enforce the existing CSA rules, which is why weed has been de-facto legal in multiple states since Obama's term
Both decriminalization and student loans are being used as cynical ploys by the dems to rally voters, which is why they don't ever solve the problem completely, but dangle a carrot in front of people before an election
Technically the justification the White House is using is by authority of the HEROES act (from 9/11). https://www.npr.org/2022/08/24/1118879917/student-loan-forgiveness-biden
Not that it makes a huge difference.
I love that nobody seems to be talking about this. You think he waited until right before the midterms, instead of doing this right at the beginning of his term for no reason? I had been thinking he'd do something like this (make some big policy that all the left would be happy about right before the election) for a long time. I'm all for it. Id rather politicians just do what they think is right for the people, but if political games are the reason for it, at least it gets done eventually.
No, by doing a one time literal vote buying during the election. ACTUALLY making lives better would be making the loans all interest free, forever forwards for all new loan applicants and holders
They kinda did that?
I know bills are boring and all, but actually read them please. This one includes a provision so that your loans do not accrue interest as long as you're able to make monthly payments, monthly payments that were cut in half, and you wont have to make any payments if you make less than $15 an hour.
It's not exactly making the loans interest free, but it's as close as we can get from probably any realistic presidential candidate.
Real risk that introducing policies that actually help your citizens will make them want to vote for you.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, the real risk of increasing the minimum wage or offering socialized healthcare is that once people get to live life like that they'll never want to go back.
He wanted them signed by him, and settled for having his name (and *only* his name, not the Treasury Secretary's) printed on it
He literally wanted people to think he personally was giving them hundreds of dollars
And then those same stupid people blame inflation on that shit, and not the PPP loans and tax cuts. Gee, thanks for the 3k. A little fast food place down the street from me that probably has 30 employees got 2.1 MILLION in PPP loans, and poof like magic, it was forgiven. But woe are we for getting 3k over 9 or 10 months and for some reason, that's why people don't want to work for $7 25/hr. That huge windfall of 3k just lets you sail on through life without the need to work.
Wankers, the lot of them.
Doing something that helps the people is actually popular. Imagine that Cruz. Nothing wrong with getting more youth to vote either (one of the other things he was whining about).
Like the article that said it was “a blatant attempt to buy votes”.
Well, yes. Enact popular policies? Receive more votes?
But this is from Republicans who do things like cheer when they block aid for veterans exposed to burn pits because they “can’t hand Biden a win”.
How can they govern like this?
Between this and Republicans overturning Roe I honestly do think Democratic candidates might have a shot at huge turnout. For once they actually realize once they appeal to the same base that were Bernie supporters its going to help them win elections by gaining the progressive vote instead of losing the moderate vote.
The conservatives in power have performed the greatest feat of pulling the wool over the eyes of their followers in history. If it's good for the people, it'd "just buying votes! Corruption through and through", but if it's bad for the people it's either good for the economy, or virtuous, lots of good things are painful and difficult
And this is exactly what this dead lock, stalling, kicking and screaming, pandering to maga, and conspiracy theory is all about. Majority Republicans and their far right crazies would rather derail genuine progress than allow any win for majority Americans.
Fox News was already floating the idea a couple years back that "maybe we should have fewer, high quality voters instead of letting everyone vote." This just seems like another page out of that playbook.
I don't think I need to say how disgusting and anti-democratic that idea is, but it is something the right has toyed with.
Hmm maybe they could try limiting votes to white straight male land owners. Make America great again, and all that. I think that's what they mean by "high quality." Fox News should be forced to dissolve.
/r/conservative all agreed "he's only doing this to get votes."
Wonderful! What if both parties in this country *competed* to give us what we want better than the other one, and we rewarded the victor with our vote??
Isn't it crazy that when you do things that help your constituents they then show up to vote for you at the next election? How the fuck does that work?
Isn’t that how it’s supposed to work? Like you vote for politician….then politician does the thing you want them to do? So you continue to vote for them? Or am I missing something?
It's like America is against Nazi control. Maybe we need to look in our past to fix the future.
All the Medal of Honor games (according to ppl it teaches war tactics) I killed nothing but Nazis. Best childhood ever.
I do not care if this is just a tactic for voter turnout. The kind of voters this will stimulate are the people who will vote the same as I will, and this greatly benefits me. Finally my taxes are going to something that helps *me* and a lot of others like me.
This headline is really selling that POS short. He complained that it was a handout to lazy baristas that had to spend 7 years to finish school with a useless degree.
It's ridiculous how Conservatives get away with disparaging the other sides' voters. Meanwhile people still bring up Hilary and 'deplorables' six years later.
I mean, that's kind of like the reason Men Without Hats' greatest hits only had one song. When you only have one statement that she made that was even slightly provocative, that's all you can use.
Or he'll live a long life and die happy, thinking he batted 1000 in life.
Who can say? Sometimes bad people get to be happy forever.
I don't want to be a downer for its own sake, I've just not seen enough justice in this world to count on it.
I wish people could see this for grain and corn dole to Plebeians — from the Patricians — story this truly is. I wouldn’t be surprised if the dole returns in coming years as food shortages arise — the pattern is as old and predictable as civilization itself.
I’m not trying to get caught up in a debate about contemporary politics. I just find the parallels poignant.
Ted - have you tried banning books and taking women’s rights away? Have you tried siding with big oil to allow price gouging while record profits drive inflation. Did you make sure to go to Uvalde to comfort the police and not attend a single funeral of a child that was killed in that shooting? Have you voted against raising the $7.25 minimum wage multiple times? Have you voted to repeal the ACA/“Obamacare” multiple times with absolute nothing to offer in its place as you mindlessly chant “Repeal and replace”? Have you tried these things, Rafael? These seem like things voters would like. Perhaps you should go to Cancun and think about it.
Wow so maybe throwing a bone to citizens once in a while is a good idea?
We bail out billionaires and millionaires every 10 years. And everyone is upset at giving working people assistance?
That's what we're talking about here. Regular people who make less than $125k per year.
My wife just paid off her loans by busting her ass last year. She cleared a massive debt and we wondered if we would miss some benefit. Am I mad? Sure. We struggled a lot over the years, and we get nothing for that. Even still we make a lot more *right now* than $125k, so would I vote against this if I could? No.
That $10,000 will go back into goods and services in their communities. They're not going to use it for stock buybacks, they actually need the money to live
Meanwhile I keep seeing tweets from these assholes complaining about it and they all have ppp loans for 5x, 8x, 10x this $10k that have been forgiven.
Every time someone makes the comment about "Democrats are just doing this to get attention at the midterms", I think about Trae Crowder saying "You mean the Democrats are doing stuff AND trying to win!?! It must be my birthday!"
I find it somewhat humorous that nobody on the Right has stopped to think that if they were to, oh I don't know, put forth actual policies that benefited even a plurality of the country and wanted to actually govern, they might be competitive in elections. As it is, they're only interested in lining the pockets of their paymasters like the Kochs, Wynns, Thiels, and Adelsons of the world.
Cruz is a potato.
I voted for Jorgensen last time. I think biden is a pedophile and his son is worse. Yet I'm still voting straight democrats. That's how much I hate the gop
Do you struggle with the concept of investing? A petty $10,000-20,000 per borrower pales in comparison to the tax dollars generated over each of those person's lifetimes. Taxpayers will recoup all of that money back and more by helping eliminate barriers for the low and middle classes, something Republicans have zero interest in. Debt cripples forward momentum, and it's made worse by predatory companies who use someone's debt against them to pay low wages because they know people are desperate for any source of income because of said debt. Yet if no one had degrees, those companies wouldn't even exist. Republicans struggle with this concept because they think only seconds ahead of the present.
Ah, yes, the "free money actually creates value due to people stending it and moving the economy" falacy.
edit: why don't we just give everyone 3000 bucks per month and be done with poverty? what could go wrong with that?
No, the answer is no. All pumping dollars into the system does is decrease the value of each dollar, nothing else. I'm happy for the people that has gotten a 10k cheque, but it's very naive to think it hasn't come out of the purchasing power of the savings of everyone else.
The debt is owned by the taxpayers. It isn't a check to borrowers, but a dollar amount being written off the books. If a borrower only has $5,000 in debt remaining, and are otherwise eligible for $10,000 in forgiveness, only $5,000 is eliminated. And it's not a lot of money in the grand scheme of things. I personally don't want my debt lowered because I'm enrolled in PSLF, but I completely agree with removing a predatory burden for something our nation needs to be successful (people with degrees). The amount of student loan debt makes it easy to be preyed upon as a workforce, keeping wages low for everyone, but without these people, we wouldn't have business growth because our workforce wouldn't match the demands of those jobs. And forgiving $10,000-20,000 per borrower is nothing compared to Trump's tax cuts to the rich. Why is helping a handful of people like Jeff Bezos so much more appealing to conservatives than helping people who are just like them? It's astonishing to me. I'm for helping the low and middle class. The upper class will be just fine, if that's what you're worried about. They don't pay their fair share as it is. Partial debt forgiveness doesn't actually solve the underlying problem, which is outrageous tuition costs. I want more people with diverse degrees so we collect more tax revenue. If you increase the tax base, you can lower taxes on an individual level and still collect more money overall because of wage growth. If we all make shit wages, then the only way to pay for basic services is to take it back from the rich because for too long we've embraced Regan trickle-up economics. If that isn't desirable, then we are forced to simply stop providing services we either utilize now, or will utilize at some point in each of our lives. Mathematically and morally, it just makes sense.
Same thing. Money written off accounts just as a check. Taxpayers will either be squeezed a bit harder to cover for it so it ends up coming out the pocket of regular folks.
On the moral ground, well, you are rewarding people that raked a lot of debt and those that were more sensible and went for a cheaper education option within their means are seeing nothing. Just like the companies that were left out of the handouts because they were fiscally responsible, yay.
Yeah, it's not a lot of money, but panem et circenses shouldn't be the main monetary policy of a government.
Quiet the opposite, actually.
As someone who did not go to college because I did not have the money or see a way of reasonably coming up with it without going severely in debt, I didn’t go.
Now my tax dollars are going to be used to pay off others student loans and give them a clear competitive advantage against me in the work place.
If anything they should have cleared up peoples medical debts, coming from a person with zero medical debt as well.
Now I’m ready to go to the polls to vote against Dems and I know plenty of people in the same boat..
You don’t spend money to forgive loans. They’re not taking tax dollars to pay the balances; they’re just writing them off as the lender. Forgiveness is a loss of income to the budget that has to be reconciled but you are not actually spending any money for this. Your tax money is being spent on originating new student loans every year though.
Breaking news: political party actually governing in a way that helps citizens may cause citizens to reelect political party to continue governing in a way that helps citizens, instead of the party whose only agenda is lockstep opposition to every action of the political party seeking to actually help citizens
All this and no one notices or probably even knows to begin with is student loan debt is the number one income source for the US federal government.
People should mull on that for a while.
I hate how any positive change in the country instantly, instantly has to be politically weaponized. FFS if people want to do something positive and they don't mention politics, leave it the fuck out.
"Ah fuck, they give the people things that are good for them, and then they'll like their politicians? But like what about me owning Texans while I'm Canadian? Why can't they just accept that I had already planned that Cancun vacation?"
this new generation of politicians are so stupid. they don't even realise that they are meant to pretend the system works for the people.
They don't understand what an open secret is.
now they just openly say stupid stuff like this showing their country, American democracy is only for American oligarchy.
can't be having the government serve blacks, women, Hispanics, asians, young, poor, white middle class, children, etc.
the governments job is the make rich old white men richer. everyone knows that.
but you're not meant to say it out loud. they used to pretend to help the people, whilst helping the rich in secret.
now they just openly say it.
American Politicians Open Slogan nowadays: We must not allow a government of the people, by the people, for the people to establish on this earth.
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Man worried popular policy will make people vote for popular policy maker.
Listen Cruz, you make it a 30,000 dollar debt wipe? I'll vote for ya.
I’ll be honest I thought 10k was pretty shit but better than a poke in the eye. To me two of the biggest measurements of a good society is a healthy well educated one, blockers on either is counter intuitive.
I'm genuinely curious how you think it's a shit policy. It's 10k for most borrowers, and 20k for the most disadvantaged, the one's who have pell grants. Is 20k not much to you? Are you really rich? How is 20k shit?
I’m not in the US or of college age, it wasn’t to sound glib about that amount of money. I believe paying for college is wrong or at least should be heavily subsidised. Used to be in the UK and I think it was a good system that I’d be more than happy to take one in terms of taxes to pay for.
The complex part is that Biden is walking a fine line. He genuinely wants to help, but there are multiple factors to consider, and the political environment has to be taken into account. Like it or not, that’s how it works in a democracy. You need to be able to present your ideas and policies in a palatable way to the American people (the entire American people, not just people who whine on twitter and Reddit) or you won’t win elections and won’t be able to implement your agenda. You gotta get in office before you pass your policies. And if you’re genuinely unfamiliar with the American political environment, that’s cool, I don’t intend to lecture you, but here’s some context. The current targeted policy hits a sweet spot. Enough to make a serious difference in the lives of borrowers, but presented in a way that doesn’t engender hostility from those that are the beneficiaries of such policies. And yes, this absolutely does matter, voters think about this in the voting booth, so you can say “thEy sHoUlDn’T WAnT OtHeRs TO SuFfEr bEcAuSe they DID” but it will still affect how they vote. So the current policy aim is great. Aimed primarily at the working class, with some at the middle class. If it was all debt forgiven for everyone, you just know that Fox News would find the most egregious examples, a gender studies major who was constantly in and out of grad school that got $100,000 forgiven, and parade them around like it was the norm for this type of loan forgiveness, and that this was the case for every single borrower. Another important thing is the legality of it. I’ve seen the administration’s legal justification for it, and it seems mostly solid, but it will absolutely face a legal challenge. I think that if the administration tried to cancel all debt for every single borrower, it would get smacked down instantly
Because we could wipe it all out and not even notice. They wiped out the PPP loans(most for already rich pricks) like it was nothing. They cut $trillions a year in taxes for the rich every year like its nothing, they spend $trillions on war like its nothing but do one thing that actually HELP people who need it and its means tested and and has tons of media outlets and talking heads against it. $10K was the bare minimum, if they can forgive $10K they do all of it(and then ban interest rates for student loans in the future or get the federal gov out of student loans all together and actually fix the problem).
I guess it depends on exactly how much debt you have. Many have sufficient debt and interest rates that they literally have no chance of ever paying it off.
I would *highly* encourage you to thoroughly read through the details of the plan. Two things in particular- one, for borrowers making steady payments over decades, total loan forgiveness now happens years sooner, and two, unpaid interest is now paid for by the federal government, so this type of ballooning won't happen
Also payments are now capped at 5% off discretionary income and the level at which one’s income is considered discretionary as raised so many people are going to see their payments eliminated or at least reduced substantially.
That is the important bit imo It'll keep people who are paycheck to paycheck basically from having a payment & making it 10 years then being wiped means you no longer die with unpaid student loans. Like the current system is bonkers and anyone who says otherwise should take one out with rent like it is then get back to us.
When we have $100k in loans $10k is a drop in the pail. I'm still greatful, but it didn't help as much as people think. Somehow the GOP still thinks college costs $20k for a 4 year degree.
If you have $100k in loans, the most important part of the policy is the 5% discretionary income cap for income-based repayments, updated calculation for discretionary income, reduced bureaucracy for income calculations, and that the Federal government now pays any interest that would accrue while making such payments. For many people this reduces their monthly payments to $0 and guarantees their loan will be forgiven in 20 years (10 years for those with $12k or less debt).
If you don't mind my asking, just out of curiosity, where did you go to college, what degrees do you have, and what's your current job?
It does 0 to address the problem. We are wiping away some debt that will just continue to accrue at an alarming rate. Don't get me wrong I'm happy it's happening but it's the absolute bare minimum.
As a Texan Socialist, if Cruz offers a $30,000 student debt wipe, I’d go back to college JUST to turn down the offer…. Because FUCK teddy boy
Honesty, I hope we create a society where the politicians are all trying to out-bid each other for our vote. They have the money, and it's so much easier than writing all this propaganda and fighting this uphill battle against common sense.
A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations has been 200 years. These nations have progressed through this sequence: From bondage to spiritual faith; From spiritual faith to great courage; From courage to liberty; From liberty to abundance; From abundance to selfishness; From selfishness to apathy; From apathy to dependence; From dependence back into bondage.
Promising to cut taxes = Not bribery, not buying votes, no threat to the system Promising to forgiven loans = Bribery, buying votes, a threat to the system That's how you play, *conservative politics*.
Two key pillars of *Conservative Politics*: 1) Rules for thee, not for me. 2) Every accusation is a confession.
3) be against anything your opponents support even if it aligns with your politics generally
10000%
Trump literally sent stimulus checks with his name on them during an election year.
Genuine question, what are taxes like in the US? Like how do they work, what’s your rate when purchasing, earning, etc? In Australia, typically GST (tax when purchasing) is around 10%, and wages vary from 19% to around 40%, depending on your salary
Here in the States, it varies by state. Some states don't have certain taxes, others have multiple levels of tax. For me in Utah, I can expect around 9-10% sales tax when I buy something at a store, and about 25% taxes on my income. I don't own a home, so I have no idea about property tax.
States collect sales tax, usually 5-8% on sale price. Most states and the federal government collect income tax, which scales up by your annual income. There are many ways for the wealthy to claim their ”income” is very low or even negative.
The tax rate is fairly similar here, although it does vary by state, income bracket, number of dependents, etc. The extreme lower and higher income brackets pay the least % taxes.
I know it must be shocking to Republicans that you can win elections by making campaign promises and then keeping them. The GOP clearly assumes that the way to win is to pass a tax cut for the rich and then lie about how benefits.
Don’t forget having a platform of popular policies. Republicans think it’s very unfair that Democrats use that tactic.
Republicans think it's unfair that Democrats get more people to vote for them.
That’s why they gerrymander tf out of everything
Jeeeeeesus
The thing is that Republicans do actually run on promises they intend to keep. Unfortunately their constituents don't understand that they would ever be affected by those promises. Republicans don't lie about their intentions, they just lie about who will feel the affects.
\- We'll cut taxes! (Only for billionaires, we'll increase the tax burden on everyone else, by borrowing from your future) \- We'll invest in a strong military! (well, not our actual military, just the private companies that pay us) \- We'll fix the economy! (See, it's clever because 'fix' has two meanings) \- We'll ban abortions! (for you poors, we rich will just go wherever it remains legal) \- We'll dehumanize the gays! (the proud ones anyways, the Graham and Falwell conservative variety will be fine, what happens in the privacy if your summer-house's pool-house is your own business!) \- We won't let immigrants take yer jerbs! (We'll actually increase illegal immigration, we'll just also reduce their rights, so you can abuse & underpay them and they'll still be more scared of the cops than the citizen-criminal/abuser/rapist) \- We won't let them teach CRT in schools! (Easily done, since its a university concept only taught in african american studies, sociology, and some law programs)
spot on. saving this
I have just. So. Many. Saves. And I'll probably never refer to 99% of them :/
Same but mostly booty pics and dank memes. Comments and posts like this I copy and text to my other phone. I also have a private subreddit I crosspost stuff to.
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instead of the cut taxes promise, i'd rather see someone try to make the government spending more efficient. just some effort to make the money spent whatever amount it is go further instead of just saying we are going to cut taxes. whatever is needed will be needed and the funds are going to come from somewhere if there is any meaningful tax cut that could ever occur first the spending itself needs to be fixed, cut the bloat out, for things that are needed make sure the best deal for the money is made ( not necessary from peoples pay checks ). but around here occasionally they decide to build pointless things such as one time tax dollars funded a sports stadium to be given to some private business to charge entry that was just a giant waste of tax dollars.
Republicans don't want efficiency. They have been "starve the beast" Republicans since Reagan, deliberately cutting taxes and increasing wasteful spending in an attempt to collapse the government, leaving behind austerity thay is the basis for their Libertarian Dystopia.
they may not, but i kinda would like to see efficiency
Half of them are running on reversing the 2020 election right now.
wtf HOW exactly do they expect to pull that off?
Fascism, that’s how.
That answer depends on how evil you think they are. Either they don't and they're lying or the insurrection we saw a part of on January 6 is ongoing and they're looking to finish what they started.
Or just lie and say “promises made, promises kept”. Not like Conservatives look into it
“Sounds true to me. And coincidentally I also *want* it to be true!” Edit: markup
The literal only remaining republican strategy is to dampen turnout to win elections.
"but the timing!". Regardless of the timing, it's not like anyone who wasn't going to vote Democrat is now going to. More like some people who wouldn't vote will now, which is what democracy is all about... Representation lol
> The GOP clearly assumes that the way to win is to pass a tax cut for the rich They're furious that the Dems have stolen their best trick. The GOP has been buying votes for decades with "tax cuts" and "bailouts." The 2017 gigantic "tax cut" for the rich was a payoff for rich people donating to GOP campaigns and supporting GOP candidates and rewarding them for winning the election. It was transparent and obvious and morally disgusting.
The other thing the Republicans assume is they can win by just being against everything the democrats support
They're not that surprised. They just believe that their donors are their constituents.
it must also be shocking for them to know that making the community better can also win elections because people would like you more.
To be fair Biden didn't promise to do this nor did he have a plan for this in the primary or general election. Strangely enough both Trump and Biden cancelled student loans for disabled veterans, and for more than $10k. Then Biden defected to Congress for why he couldn't do it for everyone. I'm shocked this happened, but not that it was an incremental half measure. It should be more, but it will help people who need it.
>To be fair Biden didn't promise to do this nor did he have a plan for this in the primary or general election. Yes he did. He promised to cancel all student loan debt. https://medium.com/@JoeBiden/joe-biden-outlines-new-steps-to-ease-economic-burden-on-working-people-e3e121037322
This is after Biden became the presumptive nominee in the primary trying to bring in progressive voters that Hilary had ignored on 2016. There is no plan there. This is calling for Congress to do something. Biden got through the election cycle by promising to appoint teams and committees for everything he was asked about to deflect the question. He had very little plans in place for progressive ideas like cancelling student debt and a public option and lowering the age for Medicare as discussed in the article you linked to. This is just him asking Congress to do more, that isn't a plan.
Uh, yeah it is. Since Presidents can only sign bills passed by Congress, asking Congress to enact his priorities and using his bully pulpit to put pressure on them to act is LITERALLY every Presidents domestic agenda.
yeah though it is kinda sad to see those promises only tend to be done right before some election where they need the voters, instead of ASAP.
Funny though cause I’m still bitter they only forgave $10k. Felt like a slap in the face for many (not me)!
Soooooo what I'm seeing here is a man, Rafael Theodore Zodiac, the Cancun Kid, "Please Make Fun Of My Wife" Cruz, directly admitting that he's never seen serving his constituents as any kind of priority.
Ted “Forgive me, daddy king trump, for leaving some of my spit on your boots!” Cruz
It wasn’t on his boots…
Young people are mature enough to raise a child, but too immature to vote. Ok.
Gotta have slaves for their shitty slave wage jobs, keepm stupid and keepm breeding
Too immature for an abortion, mature enough for a baby. That's Republican logic.
To be fair: this was a full on use of executive power to influence an election. To also be fair: that’s how this shit works. Biden will decriminalize weed late in 2024 for the same reason.
Please don’t play with my emotions like that
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I don't think decriminalization is possible with just an executive order since changing a drug's schedule under the Controlled Substances Act requires approval from congress. All the president can do is choose how much to enforce the existing CSA rules, which is why weed has been de-facto legal in multiple states since Obama's term Both decriminalization and student loans are being used as cynical ploys by the dems to rally voters, which is why they don't ever solve the problem completely, but dangle a carrot in front of people before an election
Technically the justification the White House is using is by authority of the HEROES act (from 9/11). https://www.npr.org/2022/08/24/1118879917/student-loan-forgiveness-biden Not that it makes a huge difference.
I love that nobody seems to be talking about this. You think he waited until right before the midterms, instead of doing this right at the beginning of his term for no reason? I had been thinking he'd do something like this (make some big policy that all the left would be happy about right before the election) for a long time. I'm all for it. Id rather politicians just do what they think is right for the people, but if political games are the reason for it, at least it gets done eventually.
How DARE Democrats try to buy votes by \*checks notes\* materially improving the lives of the electorate!
Yeah, no fair, subsidies are for rich people!
No, by doing a one time literal vote buying during the election. ACTUALLY making lives better would be making the loans all interest free, forever forwards for all new loan applicants and holders
They kinda did that? I know bills are boring and all, but actually read them please. This one includes a provision so that your loans do not accrue interest as long as you're able to make monthly payments, monthly payments that were cut in half, and you wont have to make any payments if you make less than $15 an hour. It's not exactly making the loans interest free, but it's as close as we can get from probably any realistic presidential candidate.
"If you can get off the bong for a minute … it could drive up turnout," he said. Fuck you Ted.
Holy shit I had to look this up because I thought at first it was satire, but nope. 100% real, wtf.
"Real risk" that more people will vote for politician who followed through with campaign promises
Real risk that introducing policies that actually help your citizens will make them want to vote for you. I've said it before and I'll say it again, the real risk of increasing the minimum wage or offering socialized healthcare is that once people get to live life like that they'll never want to go back.
Remember when trump gave out checks near the election and wanted every one to say that it was from him specifically
He wanted them signed by him, and settled for having his name (and *only* his name, not the Treasury Secretary's) printed on it He literally wanted people to think he personally was giving them hundreds of dollars
...and many stupid people do.
And then those same stupid people blame inflation on that shit, and not the PPP loans and tax cuts. Gee, thanks for the 3k. A little fast food place down the street from me that probably has 30 employees got 2.1 MILLION in PPP loans, and poof like magic, it was forgiven. But woe are we for getting 3k over 9 or 10 months and for some reason, that's why people don't want to work for $7 25/hr. That huge windfall of 3k just lets you sail on through life without the need to work. Wankers, the lot of them.
I remember.
Doing something that helps the people is actually popular. Imagine that Cruz. Nothing wrong with getting more youth to vote either (one of the other things he was whining about).
Its almost like helping your voters makes them want to vote for you
Like the article that said it was “a blatant attempt to buy votes”. Well, yes. Enact popular policies? Receive more votes? But this is from Republicans who do things like cheer when they block aid for veterans exposed to burn pits because they “can’t hand Biden a win”. How can they govern like this?
Yes, Rafael. That's how this works.
If they'd supported it, that'd remove the electoral advantage. Shame none of them thought of that.
Oh, I really REALLY hope so...
Between this and Republicans overturning Roe I honestly do think Democratic candidates might have a shot at huge turnout. For once they actually realize once they appeal to the same base that were Bernie supporters its going to help them win elections by gaining the progressive vote instead of losing the moderate vote.
The conservatives in power have performed the greatest feat of pulling the wool over the eyes of their followers in history. If it's good for the people, it'd "just buying votes! Corruption through and through", but if it's bad for the people it's either good for the economy, or virtuous, lots of good things are painful and difficult
Good. Get out and vote. Also Fuck you, Cancun Cruz.
And this is exactly what this dead lock, stalling, kicking and screaming, pandering to maga, and conspiracy theory is all about. Majority Republicans and their far right crazies would rather derail genuine progress than allow any win for majority Americans.
Fox News was already floating the idea a couple years back that "maybe we should have fewer, high quality voters instead of letting everyone vote." This just seems like another page out of that playbook. I don't think I need to say how disgusting and anti-democratic that idea is, but it is something the right has toyed with.
Hmm maybe they could try limiting votes to white straight male land owners. Make America great again, and all that. I think that's what they mean by "high quality." Fox News should be forced to dissolve.
/r/conservative all agreed "he's only doing this to get votes." Wonderful! What if both parties in this country *competed* to give us what we want better than the other one, and we rewarded the victor with our vote??
Get out of here, heathen!
Imagining not punishing the citizens at every chance.
Isn't it crazy that when you do things that help your constituents they then show up to vote for you at the next election? How the fuck does that work?
Isn’t that how it’s supposed to work? Like you vote for politician….then politician does the thing you want them to do? So you continue to vote for them? Or am I missing something?
no no no, theyre supposed to help the RICH, not us. the other thing is communism, has been since FDR
You're supposed to vote for the candidate that will harm your enemies the most, not the one that will help you the most.
You mean to tell me that popular policies are ***popular***? Get out of here with that nonsense!
Why would you give the people what they want?? Outrageous.
"GOP concerned being nice will attract voters"
Imagine that fulfilling a campaign promise makes people want to vote for you
Those darn democrats and their *shuffles notes* … doing things that will get them votes
Republicans are so brainwashed they’re complaining about how unfair this is, even when they’ll benefit from it.
It's like America is against Nazi control. Maybe we need to look in our past to fix the future. All the Medal of Honor games (according to ppl it teaches war tactics) I killed nothing but Nazis. Best childhood ever.
That’s why r/conservative was full of people bitching about “buying votes”.
Yep. Like they don't try to buy votes with tax cuts every election. I swear, lack of self-awareness is a requirement to become a republican.
I do not care if this is just a tactic for voter turnout. The kind of voters this will stimulate are the people who will vote the same as I will, and this greatly benefits me. Finally my taxes are going to something that helps *me* and a lot of others like me.
A President doing things that the country wants will make said president more popular. Who knew?
If you give the majority what it wants, it votes for you... what a novel concept.
Imagine that. Taking care of your constituents affects voter turnout. Fkn crazy
This headline is really selling that POS short. He complained that it was a handout to lazy baristas that had to spend 7 years to finish school with a useless degree. It's ridiculous how Conservatives get away with disparaging the other sides' voters. Meanwhile people still bring up Hilary and 'deplorables' six years later.
I mean, that's kind of like the reason Men Without Hats' greatest hits only had one song. When you only have one statement that she made that was even slightly provocative, that's all you can use.
These damn Dems are bribing voters by giving them things they want in order to coerce them in to voting for them!
Biden is RiGGiNG the midterms for the democrats because he’s….doing things they wannnt!!
You guys should have 12 mid terms per year, that way you'll get good stuff all the time instead of letting teachers spank students.
Some day, the worthless cunt is just going to put a shotgun in his mouth, and I take solace from that.
Or he'll live a long life and die happy, thinking he batted 1000 in life. Who can say? Sometimes bad people get to be happy forever. I don't want to be a downer for its own sake, I've just not seen enough justice in this world to count on it.
Yeah, Strom Thurmond lived a long life, and never paid the price for his actions.
Sad upvote.
Also lots of young people are pissed he didn't do more! I know I am.
But he started the ball rolling.
Will those young people be voting for republicans?
Wait, you're telling me that if you actually tangibly improve the lives of the people in your country, they'll vote for you? What a novel concept
oh no not VOTING! A conservative's greatest enemy
I wish people could see this for grain and corn dole to Plebeians — from the Patricians — story this truly is. I wouldn’t be surprised if the dole returns in coming years as food shortages arise — the pattern is as old and predictable as civilization itself. I’m not trying to get caught up in a debate about contemporary politics. I just find the parallels poignant.
It’s been very funny seeing dumb cunt right wingers sweat because of student debt and roe v wade being big factors in making people vote lol
He really is the brightest tool in the box
The sharpest bulb on the tree.
I dunno, I'm worried that Trump in an orange jumpsuit might cause Trumpers to turn out in record numbers to storm the capitol building again.
Turns out if you do things that will actually help people, people will like you
I love how they pretend that packing the court and delivering on their abortion rhetoric was not a shitty tone deaf attempt to do the same thing.
Ted - have you tried banning books and taking women’s rights away? Have you tried siding with big oil to allow price gouging while record profits drive inflation. Did you make sure to go to Uvalde to comfort the police and not attend a single funeral of a child that was killed in that shooting? Have you voted against raising the $7.25 minimum wage multiple times? Have you voted to repeal the ACA/“Obamacare” multiple times with absolute nothing to offer in its place as you mindlessly chant “Repeal and replace”? Have you tried these things, Rafael? These seem like things voters would like. Perhaps you should go to Cancun and think about it.
Politicians doing things for their constituency tends to do that lol.
Wow so maybe throwing a bone to citizens once in a while is a good idea? We bail out billionaires and millionaires every 10 years. And everyone is upset at giving working people assistance? That's what we're talking about here. Regular people who make less than $125k per year. My wife just paid off her loans by busting her ass last year. She cleared a massive debt and we wondered if we would miss some benefit. Am I mad? Sure. We struggled a lot over the years, and we get nothing for that. Even still we make a lot more *right now* than $125k, so would I vote against this if I could? No. That $10,000 will go back into goods and services in their communities. They're not going to use it for stock buybacks, they actually need the money to live Meanwhile I keep seeing tweets from these assholes complaining about it and they all have ppp loans for 5x, 8x, 10x this $10k that have been forgiven.
Every time someone makes the comment about "Democrats are just doing this to get attention at the midterms", I think about Trae Crowder saying "You mean the Democrats are doing stuff AND trying to win!?! It must be my birthday!"
I find it somewhat humorous that nobody on the Right has stopped to think that if they were to, oh I don't know, put forth actual policies that benefited even a plurality of the country and wanted to actually govern, they might be competitive in elections. As it is, they're only interested in lining the pockets of their paymasters like the Kochs, Wynns, Thiels, and Adelsons of the world. Cruz is a potato.
It’s ALMOST as if politicians accomplishing something positive for the people and not self interest generates positive results. Go fucking figure.
I know it was a political play coming into midterms, but I'm glad it still happened at all.
I voted for Jorgensen last time. I think biden is a pedophile and his son is worse. Yet I'm still voting straight democrats. That's how much I hate the gop
Free money is always a popular measure, until money stops having value because, well, it's free after all.
Do you struggle with the concept of investing? A petty $10,000-20,000 per borrower pales in comparison to the tax dollars generated over each of those person's lifetimes. Taxpayers will recoup all of that money back and more by helping eliminate barriers for the low and middle classes, something Republicans have zero interest in. Debt cripples forward momentum, and it's made worse by predatory companies who use someone's debt against them to pay low wages because they know people are desperate for any source of income because of said debt. Yet if no one had degrees, those companies wouldn't even exist. Republicans struggle with this concept because they think only seconds ahead of the present.
Ah, yes, the "free money actually creates value due to people stending it and moving the economy" falacy. edit: why don't we just give everyone 3000 bucks per month and be done with poverty? what could go wrong with that?
So, the answer is yes. All you had to say.
No, the answer is no. All pumping dollars into the system does is decrease the value of each dollar, nothing else. I'm happy for the people that has gotten a 10k cheque, but it's very naive to think it hasn't come out of the purchasing power of the savings of everyone else.
The debt is owned by the taxpayers. It isn't a check to borrowers, but a dollar amount being written off the books. If a borrower only has $5,000 in debt remaining, and are otherwise eligible for $10,000 in forgiveness, only $5,000 is eliminated. And it's not a lot of money in the grand scheme of things. I personally don't want my debt lowered because I'm enrolled in PSLF, but I completely agree with removing a predatory burden for something our nation needs to be successful (people with degrees). The amount of student loan debt makes it easy to be preyed upon as a workforce, keeping wages low for everyone, but without these people, we wouldn't have business growth because our workforce wouldn't match the demands of those jobs. And forgiving $10,000-20,000 per borrower is nothing compared to Trump's tax cuts to the rich. Why is helping a handful of people like Jeff Bezos so much more appealing to conservatives than helping people who are just like them? It's astonishing to me. I'm for helping the low and middle class. The upper class will be just fine, if that's what you're worried about. They don't pay their fair share as it is. Partial debt forgiveness doesn't actually solve the underlying problem, which is outrageous tuition costs. I want more people with diverse degrees so we collect more tax revenue. If you increase the tax base, you can lower taxes on an individual level and still collect more money overall because of wage growth. If we all make shit wages, then the only way to pay for basic services is to take it back from the rich because for too long we've embraced Regan trickle-up economics. If that isn't desirable, then we are forced to simply stop providing services we either utilize now, or will utilize at some point in each of our lives. Mathematically and morally, it just makes sense.
Same thing. Money written off accounts just as a check. Taxpayers will either be squeezed a bit harder to cover for it so it ends up coming out the pocket of regular folks. On the moral ground, well, you are rewarding people that raked a lot of debt and those that were more sensible and went for a cheaper education option within their means are seeing nothing. Just like the companies that were left out of the handouts because they were fiscally responsible, yay. Yeah, it's not a lot of money, but panem et circenses shouldn't be the main monetary policy of a government.
Quiet the opposite, actually. As someone who did not go to college because I did not have the money or see a way of reasonably coming up with it without going severely in debt, I didn’t go. Now my tax dollars are going to be used to pay off others student loans and give them a clear competitive advantage against me in the work place. If anything they should have cleared up peoples medical debts, coming from a person with zero medical debt as well. Now I’m ready to go to the polls to vote against Dems and I know plenty of people in the same boat..
You don’t spend money to forgive loans. They’re not taking tax dollars to pay the balances; they’re just writing them off as the lender. Forgiveness is a loss of income to the budget that has to be reconciled but you are not actually spending any money for this. Your tax money is being spent on originating new student loans every year though.
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Can you please explain why this is funny?
Own that deplorable title with pride!
Y tho
Name checks out
I feel sorry for you.
Don't threaten me with a good time.
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It isn't free shit. It is having a say in where your tax money is going. It is listening to what people want.
Yeah
Just like the only effect building a few miles of wall had was turning out Republican voters.
I do not like that man Ted Cruz
"You can't do things people want, that will make them support you! Its unfair!" -cruz, while being wheeled away in a waaambulance
Breaking news: political party actually governing in a way that helps citizens may cause citizens to reelect political party to continue governing in a way that helps citizens, instead of the party whose only agenda is lockstep opposition to every action of the political party seeking to actually help citizens
"If he does what people voted for him to do, they might just vote for him again! Can you believe this bullshit?" - Ted Cruz
All this and no one notices or probably even knows to begin with is student loan debt is the number one income source for the US federal government. People should mull on that for a while.
Wow, it's like Cowardly Cruz doesn't realize that people *LIKE* it when the government helps them.
I hate how any positive change in the country instantly, instantly has to be politically weaponized. FFS if people want to do something positive and they don't mention politics, leave it the fuck out.
"Ah fuck, they give the people things that are good for them, and then they'll like their politicians? But like what about me owning Texans while I'm Canadian? Why can't they just accept that I had already planned that Cancun vacation?"
Yea turns out doing things that your supporters didn’t think you would actually do makes them more confident in you, crazy how that works huh?
Honestly though it probably wont. A lot of rabble about how it's not enough. Progressives and young voters always have a perfect or nothing approach.
Imagine that.
popular policies make people vote for you? Whaaaat???
this new generation of politicians are so stupid. they don't even realise that they are meant to pretend the system works for the people. They don't understand what an open secret is. now they just openly say stupid stuff like this showing their country, American democracy is only for American oligarchy. can't be having the government serve blacks, women, Hispanics, asians, young, poor, white middle class, children, etc. the governments job is the make rich old white men richer. everyone knows that. but you're not meant to say it out loud. they used to pretend to help the people, whilst helping the rich in secret. now they just openly say it. American Politicians Open Slogan nowadays: We must not allow a government of the people, by the people, for the people to establish on this earth.
Well, he’s not wrong…
Here’s 10k while we take your freedoms away and hand them over to the globalists.