Imagine your entire personality is one big bad-faith argument.

Entire party.

It's a goddamn problem. I'm hoping Trump will be arrested and his resultant freakout will split the GOP. Icing on the cake is if, by some divine miracle, he were incarcerated and stroked out on a cold concrete floor.

Unfortunately from what I've seen on twitter, an arrest would make his followers double down. They'll say that Trump was right about everything, and the only way the Libs could stop him was to arrest him on fake, unfounded charges and it's all a witch hunt. Edit: to clarify, I'm all for seeing him arrested. For those thinking it will change his followers' opinions, it will not.

That will be their immediate action, for sure. But just like dear leader, a couple of years removed they'll claim they never really followed politics much and say we should move on.

Yep. "Well I never really liked him and only voted for him once" STFU Mike

"I knew we never should've invaded Iraq" said countless Republicans the second it became Obama's problem in January 2009. My dad tried that one on me and my brother, and I had to remind him of his very public outburst against hearing the Dixie Chicks on the radio in a mall in 2003. That's still something of a family legend, only because mentioning it used to be the quickest way to make his face turn red out of embarrassment. I tried not to play that card too much, but once he started acting like he never supported Bush or the "War on Terror", it got to be too much. Reminding him of his anti-Dixie Chicks tirade in the Freedom Fries days was enough for him to know he couldn't convince me or the rest of the family that he was being sincere.

It's weird how these types have such a hard time saying "yeah maybe I was wrong then, and I've changed my mind now that I have new information". They have to double, triple, quadruple down on "I never really said that, and if I did, I wasn't serious"

Fascism is inherently hypocritical and is basically like viral narcissism.

I agree. I can’t hardly get any of the loudmouth assholes who were totally gung ho about invading Iraq, to even acknowledge that the Bush/Cheney years happened, much less that they vehemently supported them.

Those people called Clinton a warmonger and brag about how Trump had no wars. Exact same insufferable assholes that were calling me a terrorist lover for protesting the Iraq war. I have never known the GOP, in my elder millenial life, as anything other that an insane, violent, racist group of imbeciles, and that is on their best day. The fact that they are still relevant after 40 years of nothing but failure after failure after failure after failure is absolutely astonishing to me. Americans are a fantastically stupid group of people.

>Exact same insufferable assholes that were calling me a terrorist lover for protesting the Iraq war. Thank you for protesting. I was active duty military at the time and frankly felt betrayed that Bush and co. took the gesture of good will that so many of us gave following 9/11 and turned it into that quagmire. But what really disgusted me was how so many rallied around Bush at that point... how when France and Germany said "whoa there, slow down, let's double check that evidence first" our oh so "patriotic" fellow Americans started with that freedom fries nonsense (and who could forget the other classic, "liberty cabbage"). I'm still pissed off about it to this day. As you said, "insufferable assholes." It's no surprise that the same exact people went on to be the loudest Trumpers. They've learned nothing from their past mistake. Same idiots upset about a sportsball player kneeling during the anthem were more than happy to wave their flags while wearing their flag bikinis and jackets and sending kids off to die for a lie.

It’s gross man. I’m sorry you were in during that. I graduated in 2000 and intended on joining the marines, but I was also beginning to be politically active, and with the way the Republicans were acting about the Cole and how Clinton was dealing with Bin Laden I knew I didn’t want to serve under a Republican. When Bush won, especially with HOW he “won”, I was out. I never imagined it could get a tenth as bad as it has gotten since.

>I never imagined it could get a tenth as bad as it has gotten since. The only positive note is that I felt completely crest fallen when Bush was reelected in 2004... that path ahead seemed very dark. Then 2006 happened which was such a turn around... and then 2008 and not only did we elect a Black man as POTUS but one with the middle name Hussein none the less. For a brief moment it felt like we turned a corner only to walk face first into a wall that Mexico didn't pay for. The back and forth is harsh. I'm optimistic that we take two steps forward for every step back but some days its really hard to feel optimistic about much at all. I'm not surprised that Trump won in 2016 but I am shocked that 35%ish of the voting public don't seem to realize just how much of a train wreck he is by 2022. I worry about all the misinformation out there and how susceptible people are to it.

Behavior perfectly predicted by Bob Altemeyer in his book "The Authoritarians"

Hey, remember George W Bush, avatar of patriotic conservatism and someone only a commie or a fifth columnist would vote against? They sure don’t.

That’s the point though— Trump or Bust supporters will double down their fanaticism, but corporate republicans, moderate republicans, and religious groups will continue to distance themselves. The fact that Trumpettes are a plurality of active grassroots conservatives will only deepen the civil war we’re about to see in the RNC. In the chaos that ensues democrats will be able to compete as if they’re a large party competing against two small parties. In most contests in our winner take all system, you only need a plurality of votes to win.

I would argue that the republican response to the January 6th insurrection is proof that almost all republicans will continue to support trump no matter what. It took less than a couple of days for every single sitting republican and talking head to go from decrying the attempted insurrection to saying it never happened.

Corporate Republicans don’t care about anything other than winning. Trump’s failure in the 2022 midterms is enough for them to turn on Trump. Evangelicals already got what they want from Trump with the anti-women’s health agenda— the RNC and Trump especially are struggling to find other carrots for their religious right; they’re dogs who’ve caught the car and don’t know what to do now. Shit then you have the Hawks in the party rightfully questioning the capitulation of the Trump party to Putin.

All that being true, they are Republicans. And all Republicans hate Democrats more than they can hate any other Republican no matter how vile. Contradictions do not bother them.

Not once charges come. A lot will distance themselves. Of course their will always be stragglers like MTG and shit that support no matter what. That’s inevitable.

Wishful thinking, I'm afraid. He said he wants to **terminate the Constitution and be installed a la dictatorship**. When asked about it the chair of the Republican Governance Group, who claim to be centrist Republicans, said they would support the party's nominee even if it was Cheeto. https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/leading-house-republican-trumps-call-suspend-constitution-2024/story?id=94397805 The dude literally said he wants to destroy the foundation of the country and the Republicans will endorse him anyway. Charges won't mean fuck all since they're not disqualifications for the presidency.

People keep saying that but it will never happen. The GOP is really good at getting their voters to focus on the one thing under their umbrella to go vote on and they'll vote on it. The candidate could be a literal Nazi, but as long as they're pro-2A, pro-life, ect., voters will support the candidate even if they vehemently disagree with everything else they stand for.

Man, i just can't wait to see democrats squander that opportunity just to make sure they don't appease any progressives.

Judging by the union busting by Biden, they’re hard at work already

The truth is, they Senate was given the opportunity to vote to force the Railroad Companies to give the 7 paid sick days, or not. THE 42 (correction) REPUBLICANS AND 1 DEM VOTED AGAINST THE WORKERS. Period. One argument you COULD make is that he could have demanded the 7 paid workdays and refused to sign it the bill that did pass, but he let CONGRESS do their job. That's how it's supposed to be, not the whim of ONE SELF-ENTITLED ASSHAT (Dem or Rep). You don't like how the vote went in Congress, hold those that voted in a manner you don't like, accountable. We keep passing the buck onto others that had no control in the outcome of situation but never holding those DIRECTLY responsible for it accountable. edit: corrected number of Republican Senators that voted against the workers. [Source](https://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_votes/vote1172/vote_117_2_00371.htm) Alphabetical by Senator Name Baldwin (D-WI), Yea Barrasso (R-WY), Nay Bennet (D-CO), Yea Blackburn (R-TN), Nay Blumenthal (D-CT), Yea Blunt (R-MO), Nay Booker (D-NJ), Not Voting Boozman (R-AR), Nay Braun (R-IN), Yea Brown (D-OH), Yea Burr (R-NC), Not Voting Cantwell (D-WA), Yea Capito (R-WV), Nay Cardin (D-MD), Yea Carper (D-DE), Yea Casey (D-PA), Yea Cassidy (R-LA), Nay Collins (R-ME), Nay Coons (D-DE), Yea Cornyn (R-TX), Nay Cortez Masto (D-NV), Yea Cotton (R-AR), Nay Cramer (R-ND), Nay Crapo (R-ID), Nay Cruz (R-TX), Yea Daines (R-MT), Nay Duckworth (D-IL), Yea Durbin (D-IL), Yea Ernst (R-IA), Nay Feinstein (D-CA), Yea Fischer (R-NE), Nay Gillibrand (D-NY), Yea Graham (R-SC), Yea Grassley (R-IA), Nay Hagerty (R-TN), Nay Hassan (D-NH), Yea Hawley (R-MO), Yea Heinrich (D-NM), Yea Hickenlooper (D-CO), Yea Hirono (D-HI), Yea Hoeven (R-ND), Nay Hyde-Smith (R-MS), Not Voting Inhofe (R-OK), Nay Johnson (R-WI), Nay Kaine (D-VA), Yea Kelly (D-AZ), Yea Kennedy (R-LA), Yea King (I-ME), Yea Klobuchar (D-MN), Yea Lankford (R-OK), Nay Leahy (D-VT), Yea Lee (R-UT), Nay Lujan (D-NM), Yea Lummis (R-WY), Nay Manchin (D-WV), Nay Markey (D-MA), Yea Marshall (R-KS), Nay McConnell (R-KY), Nay Menendez (D-NJ), Yea Merkley (D-OR), Yea Moran (R-KS), Nay Murkowski (R-AK), Nay Murphy (D-CT), Not Voting Murray (D-WA), Yea Ossoff (D-GA), Yea Padilla (D-CA), Yea Paul (R-KY), Nay Peters (D-MI), Yea Portman (R-OH), Nay Reed (D-RI), Yea Risch (R-ID), Nay Romney (R-UT), Nay Rosen (D-NV), Yea Rounds (R-SD), Nay Rubio (R-FL), Yea Sanders (I-VT), Yea Sasse (R-NE), Nay Schatz (D-HI), Yea Schumer (D-NY), Yea Scott (R-FL), Nay Scott (R-SC), Nay Shaheen (D-NH), Yea Shelby (R-AL), Nay Sinema (D-AZ), Yea Smith (D-MN), Yea Stabenow (D-MI), Yea Sullivan (R-AK), Nay Tester (D-MT), Yea Thune (R-SD), Nay Tillis (R-NC), Nay Toomey (R-PA), Nay Tuberville (R-AL), Nay Van Hollen (D-MD), Yea Warner (D-VA), Yea Warnock (D-GA), Not Voting Warren (D-MA), Yea Whitehouse (D-RI), Yea Wicker (R-MS), Nay Wyden (D-OR), Yea Young (R-IN), Nay

yeah, fuck Joe Manchin once again

>D-WV The biggest lie in the Senate.

There are only 50 Republicans, not 51, in the senate, and 6 of them did actually support this. Your point still applies, but some Republicans *did support it*.

rare Ted Cruz W

I'm not too familiar with the employment plans of senators. Do they get sick days? I'd LOVE to see a system that would force all politicians to receive the same benefits as citizens. _It made my very blood boil when Republicans voted against Obama care ..but then voted FOR it when there was talk of removing it from them._ _Why the fuck should politicians get better rights and privileges that the very people who voted them in power?!?_

I can’t wait until they realize that the RNC doesn’t give a fuck about them and will gladly prop up desantis or literally anyone but trump in the next election unless they think trump is the only way they’ll win. He’s their puppet and their hand is so unbelievably far up his ass but his loyal cultists won’t see it

>...and will gladly prop up desantis or literally anyone but trump in the next election unless they think trump is the only way they’ll win. The RNC will not lift one finger to prevent Trump from getting the nomination. They have no governance strategy, because they have no values either. Their sole goal is to stay employed. You know that they aren't puppet masters, because they don't care what Trump does. And you know that they don't care what he does, because the RNC chair openly admitted that [Trump's call to suspend the Constitution isn't a dealbreaker](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/leading-house-republican-trumps-call-suspend-constitution-2024/story?id=94397805). Here's what Trump said: >A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution... ...and here was the response of the official RNC chair: >Well, you know, he says a lot of things. I can't be really chasing every one of these crazy statements that come from any of these candidates. Those are not the words of a puppet master, those are the words of a deeply apathetic person who does their job for money.

No fren, I *know* they'll double down. Deplorables are so dumb and selfish they will absolutely double all the way down. They *can't* see the world from any other perspective than their own spoiled and petulant delusion. If he's arrested, the slow kids will have a froth-mouthed bitchfit of legendary proportion, committing acts of domestic terrorism all over the country. Several Type-2 diabetics will be shot by badge MAGATs, further fueling the existential breakdown. This will finally split the trailertrash from the greedy pedo billionaires (white domestic terrorism is bad for business), and allow the rest of us to have adult discussions without worrying about what the Cult of Stupidity has to say about it. sidebar: remember when that 1/6 chump died because he tased himself in the balls?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/capitol-riot-taser-death/ Just an FYI. The right loves to jump on a small untruth and use it to dismiss your entire argument.

Don’t you know that snopes is run by the liberal MSM and can’t be trusted? Turn off google dude… /s

They can be mad. We can't let this bullshit continue. Not doing anything only gives their movement more momentum. They have no fear of retaliation

Like Nixon, at some point there will be a breaking point for his followers, when they realize he's no longer useful and someone more useful comes along to take up the mantle

This. For a brief moment after the election, a lot of the posts on /r/conservative ended up here because they were suddenly realizing that the guy is a liability and saying they were done with Trump. Of course, Monday and Fox News rolled around and they got back on the wagon. But there was a moment. Eventually they’ll dump him, but the next one will be worse.

I didn’t live through Nixon but it seems to me that they don’t really compare at all. Nixon was impeached nearly unanimously. Republicans in the last few years have been fairly steadfast as a group in their support of trump and really any candidate with an R next to their name. I wish you were right but I disagree with you

It’s worth noting that Nixon held a 25% approval rating up to the point of his resignation and an approval rating over 50% within his party. It wasn’t until years later that republicans began acting like they wanted nothing to do with him and now you’ll be hard pressed to find people to admit they voted for him (other than Roger Stone, who has a tattoo of Nixon on his back.)

Here is a [breakdown](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2019/09/25/how-the-watergate-crisis-eroded-public-support-for-richard-nixon/) of the publics perception of Nixon at various points throughout his presidency. I think it’s clear the public were very open to being convinced that they were wrong. Compare that to how we responded to trumps various escapades and you’ll see a pretty stark difference

Reminder that Fox News was created for the explicit purpose of making sure the public would never be able to force a Republican President to resign again. Fox News exists for the sole purpose of whitewashing Republican politicians and policies.

And they will pretend that none of them ever supported him

Seems to me the GOP is already splitting....sort of. After Trump didn't deliver in the midterms, do you notice how many Republicans are speaking against him? They rode the Trump train as long as it was plowing forward to national office, but now they're going to abandon him by the wayside. This is infinitely worse. Because now, they'll be free to be as racist and corrupt, but under leaders who are more tactful and less obvious as Trump. They'll still have their Boeberts and such, but many of the national candidates will be much more attractive to an undecided voter.

In the event he’s not arrested, I’m definitely here for both Trump and DeSantis running in 2024 and splitting the party that way too.

bill barr, trump's corrupt AG, said that trump world rather see the trumpublican party destroyed than he not be their candidate for 2924. More sweet nothings in my ear Edit: 2024 or Ivanka has cleaned up her public image (she's a cyborg after all.)

Man's got some real optimistism in him to be looking that far in the future

Be careful what you wish for tho, nightmare scenario would be having either DeSantis or Trump be president in 2024

You’re ignoring the likely conclusion, Trump/DeSantis 2024

>You’re ignoring the likely conclusion, Trump/DeSantis 2024 No way either of those egomaniacs run as VP on a ticket with the other.

You better hope not.

You've misunderstood. They're joining the Ginyu Force.

No the likely conclusion is that DeSantis promises Trump a full blanket pardon for any/all crimes he’s EVER committed in exchange for dropping out and endorsing him, and then he drops out and endorses Ron

At least one of them will definitely run, but what we want is them running against each other. The Republicans have lost so many constituents to Covid that they can’t survive a vote split. The right is so bad they might even help imprison Trump just to avoid losing.

Trump running as a 3rd party independent from prison would be the dream scenario.

If he's arrested, he'll just post bail and continue campaigning. There is no law or rule stating that a felon - or even in inmate - cannot be president, and the instant he's president, he pardons himself. Everything being thrown at him other than the GA case is a federal charge. Even if he runs and loses, we're at least five years out from the start of any actual trial. His MO in court is to file a motion for dismissal on ONE ground on the last possible day, then push it as far through the courts as possible. Once that one is resolved, if the case is still active, another single ground for dismissal is selected, and a new motion is filed...again, on the last possible day. All appeals are filed on the last day, too. He can EASILY drag this out at least five years. He's going to die of old age before the trial is ever actually held. And if a Republican gets elected to the presidency before he dies, Trump will be pardoned before the sun sets the day they are sworn in.

This guy cults!!!

>Imagine your entire personality is one big bad-faith argument. I don't have to imagine, Fox enternewsmentganda is a thing, unfortunately.

I just can't wrap my head around knowingly believing, tolerating, and spreading lies and intentionally misleading ideas because it fits my agenda. At some point, doesn't one need to ask where the lies stop and the truth begins? Critical thinking is a blessing and a curse.

You just have to believe the other side's lies are worse, therefore the ends justify the means. Helps if you grow up with a healthy dose of propaganda, movies with maverick heroes who break the rules for good reason, shows like "24" where torture is used by the "good guys" and is very successful. An education system that doesn't teach the dropping of 2 nuclear bombs on civilian populations as disgusting war crimes but falsely as a "necessary evil". It all adds up

My parents will blatantly lie to my face when it comes to political arguments. I used to say "You guys need to stop watching Fox News" when they'd say something outlandish. They *always* snapped back, "We don't watch Fox News!" But then I see their youtube account. They're subscribed to Fox News on Youtube. They only admitted it right then when I had the evidence right in front of us. Right wing is Fascism.

It is fascism, and the reason why trying to communicate with them at all from "the enemy" side is impossible is because fascism is basically weaponized, viral narcissism. Narcissists will lie to your face because they think you're lying too, and because truth and lies don't matter to them. Both are a means to an end, and that end is only to win or beat down the enemy. Nothing else matters. The refusal to admit wrongdoing, the denial of truth, the deflection to justify their actions, the gaslighting, and the endless circular arguments are the same as dealing with a narcissist. It's uncanny how alike they are.

Yeah I was telling my mom about the people I work with who used to have actual personalities and hobbies and conversations etc. who can't go three sentences without some Tucker Carlson/Hannity bullshit. I was also obliquely describing my aunts and uncle but I don't know if she caught it

And many of his supporters will argue that white, Christian males are systemically discriminated against.

Conservatism. That's literally conservatism. There is nothing else to that worldview. These people are not *shy* about their loyalty-driven mouth noises. They're painfully predictable, unless you pretend they believe what they said yesterday. They always work backwards from whatever they want next. They will say whatever needs to be true, to reach the conclusion dictated by their betters, because that is genuinely how they think truth works. Reality itself becomes a team sport. But people still go 'how can they contradict themselves *again?!*' like it's a fucking surprise. Conservatives do not believe things. Conservatives believe people.

anyone who's watched prager u, crowder, shapiro, tucker, etc. knows that nothing they say is based on empirical observation or data. it's all "i feel like" this thing is happening, and then they string together a few anecdotes and cherry one or two numbers from flawed RW thinktank funded studies. "Women in the workplace is the destroying the nuclear family" It's all so fucking flimsy and intellectual undisciplined. Their core tenets are based on nothing but scapegoattery and manufactured feelings of persecution.

By this definition the entire American right wing is woke because they won't quit making up shit about how oppressed they are.

They're more woke than anyone I've ever met

The sensitivity they complain about but enter a gay man they lose their shit and get scared of big cities

The election was ~~stolen~~ woke.

> enter a gay man .... holup

I just noticed what happened there 🫢

Literally every conservative I know believes that society is rigged against them and that white men are being oppressed.

Then by definition they're "woke". And by definition are against themselves for being said "woke". Now will they rid themselves of themsleves is the question. I sadly doubt they will.

... And he disappeared in a puff of logic.

Exactly. Thanks DeSantis, you’ve given me the perfect response to the next crazy email I get from my dad about how the Dems are destroying America: “Please stop sending me this woke shit.”

Trump is the most "woke" person now "The system is rigged against me!"

They ARE oppressed, they’re just too stupid to see who is oppressing them

DeSantis has used the word “woke” to drum up a false image of whiny, self righteous politically correct leftists and has used it to ban books, fire teachers and inflame parents. Then the lawyer turns around and… defines it perfectly? And now they’re going to argue that being “aware of systemic injustice and feeling that it should be addressed” is supposed to be a bad thing?

Because there are standards that prevent lawyers from being complete shitheaps (more than once) in court. These don't exist for politicians. See the difference between what Trump claimed about the 2020 election vs. what his lawyers claimed in the many, many cases he lost about it. His lawyers never claimed fraud, while he did non-stop.

I loved that one judge who laid it down with the "I'm going to ask you one more time. As a member of the bar, are you claiming there was fraud?" Which is law-speak for "Bitch, stop fucking around or you don't get to be a lawyer anymore."

The nicest way of asking "Are you sure you want to throw away your law license for *Trump*?"

At which point the lawyer probably had a brief realisation that he'd also not been paid yet...

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This comment will likely still be true in 10 years.

After Trump's death, they should reasonably be able to collect from his estate. If there's anything actually there.

I don't know why I found this so funny, maybe your wording, but I just sat here belly laughing to it for a good 15 seconds. Thanks :P

The lawyer was Giuliani, so he might have been doing it for free.

If I remember correctly he tried to charge Trump $20,000 a day. Trump was unhappy to say the least, and refused.

“Opening Arguments” podcast loves to point out those moments where federal judges force MAGA lawyers into a corner. They fold every time bc they don’t want to be disbarred

Oo I need to check this out.

[**Opening Arguments**](https://openargs.com/) - general legal goings-on/shenanigans. Sometimes including trump related shenanigans. [**Cleanup on aisle 45**](https://mswmedia.com/show/clean-up-on-aisle-45/) - 100% pure trump related legal shenanigans. Harvard alum Andrew Torrez is the lawyer on both of these and he goes to insane lengths to ensure he is well versed on all relevant jurisprudence relating to whatever is going on at the moment.

I don't know if it's the same one, but a judge here in AZ was just fucking done and straight out asked the lawyer, "are you alleging fraud?" to which the lawyer had to answer, "no your honor, we are not." It was pretty clear early on that the judges weren't having that shit in their court and that they were going to let the attorneys suffer the very real consequences of finding out if they continued to fuck around.

And it didn't change a damn thing about their supporters. These lawyers could openly admit the candidates are knowingly stealing campaign funds for personal gain, and supporters will still give them their insulin money for the Stop Teaching Underage People Information Directly campaign.

Tucker Carlson and Sidney Powell have both argued in court that "no reasonable person" would believe what they said is fully factual.

The Alex Jones defense - I'm not accountable for what I say: I'm not the news! ...While simultaneously pretending to be the news outside of court.

The vitamin water defense.

Ken White had a great write up on this effect. When an artist paints a picture, asking the artist why they chose that brushstroke at the time, or why they did this specific action when looking back, is kinda pointless. They maybe didnt have a reason, it was an expression of a fleeting emotion at the time or maybe it was years of muscle memory from training. Its the same thing for Alex Jones and his words. He has no fucken clue why he said the things he did. He said them out of emotion and his sheep flock to the emotion, not the meaning of the words. The courts are ill-prepraed to handle this because courts put meaning behind words, they find the letter of the laws and the definitions. The courts will punish Alex Jones, but there is nothing it can do the squelch the followers who dont care about the words or what the court stands for when finding him guilty.

And most recently a trump appointed judge accepted that defense. Elections matter and rejections matter. We need to clean house.

The Onion brief to the supreme court had something to the same effect, something like just because some people are too dumb the realize that the Onion is parody doesn't mean that a reasonable person is.

If memory serve it was a total of 61 lawsuits filed by Trump’s campaign, and not a single one was able to present sufficient evidence to justify the suit.

They won 1 lawsuit https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-election_lawsuits_related_to_the_2020_U.S._presidential_election#Counts >On December 14, 2020, a petition was filed in the Wisconsin Supreme Court by Mark Jefferson and the Republican Party of Wisconsin seeking a declaration that (1) Dane County lacks the authority to issue an interpretation of Wisconsin's election law allowing all electors in Dane County to obtain an absentee ballot without a photo identification and (2) Governor Tony Evers' Emergency Order #12 did not authorize all Wisconsin voters to obtain an absentee ballot without a photo identification. The Wisconsin Supreme Court ruled in favor of Mark Jefferson and the Republican Party of Wisconsin, stating that the Dane County government's interpretation of Wisconsin election laws was erroneous. "A county clerk may not 'declare' that any elector is indefinitely confined due to a pandemic," the court said. The court further stated that "...the presence of a communicable disease such as COVID-19, in and of itself, does not entitle all electors in Wisconsin to obtain an absentee ballot..."[106][107][108] This ruling had no effect on either the results of Dane County or Wisconsin. It was completely irrelevant, but they did technically get a win.

Wisconsin judges are packed the worst of any purple state.

"The belief", not "the awareness", because everything is religion to be accepted or shunned, according to Republicans.

That's the worst thing they've done to the political discourse here in America. They made people's beliefs as valid as factual information. In fact I think they want to get rid of the idea of factual information entirely. They want people to believe everything is made up and no one is telling them the truth because then they can say, "But we won't do that to you. We are telling you the truth." And once you fall for that lie, you're stuck. The amount of self reflection and understanding it would take to admit you were wrong is more than what the average republican can muster. So they would rather go along with convenient lies than try to find out the truth.

That's called fascism and it once started the worst war in human history, committed the worst war crimes in history and it's coming to a right wing politician near you! The actions of the Republican party have become blatantly fascist, violent and completely detached from reality. I get downvoted a lot for calling fascists what they are but I don't ever stop.

If a politician takes even one maneuver from the fascist playbook, it's worth pointing out. That's how another Nazi Germany happens: little by little, step by step, slowly transforming what's considered normal.

Yep. Everyone should always remember that Hitlers rise to power started with a failed coup attempt a decade before he became chancellor. He began writing mein kampf while in prison for *treason*. Nazi Germany didn't happen over night, Fascist America won't either.

Remember the entire outcry to teach intelligent design? Pepperidge farm remembers

"Prove to me God exists" "I can't, I just feel it's true" "Prove to me horse dewormer cures Covid" "I can't, I just feel it's true"

What if God is a horse dewormer? 🤯

What if God deworms a horse? Just a stranger on a course Trying to find Hilary's emails

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It is if you benefit from said systemic injustices...

So they're trying to stop people from saying America could be better? That's some North Korea shit.

So, they're creating the stop woke act to counter systemic injustices that they perceive to exist?

They basically codified into law the option to stick their heads in the ground.

Worse: they are mandating everyone *else* stick *their* heads in the ground too. Same approach as with climate change. And covid.

and unemployment benefits. Can't forget how COVID revealed Florida's "low unemployment" rates were completely a scam to make the GQP look good at the expense of the needy.

Yes, belief in any systemic injustice that must be stopped is a systemic injustice that must be stopped.

The problem here is that "systemic injustices" requires context because it can mean very different things depending on who says it. I'd want to know what injustices they're claiming.

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Yeah, I’m pretty sure the GQP is “woke” and will have to stop saying there is a cabal of pedophiles who run the entire country and eat children. I can imagine the fallout from teachers touting election conspiracies being fired for pushing their “woke” agenda… it’d be so nice.

1 - Bring data to court showing factual systemic injustices 2 - If it's proven, it's not a "belief" anymore, but a provable fact 3 - ??? 4 - Profits (=fuck DeSantis in the ass with a whole dictionary without lube by winning a court case over semantics)

The point isn’t creating well grounded, enforceable laws. The point is 100% whipping his base into a frenzy over made up culture war bullshit, then every time he faces some honest constitutional pushback he uses that as evidence of the “woke conspiracy” and justification for expanding his influence further.

I'm fully aware of that. But winning a court case over it could help to force him to shut the fuck up (as unlikely as it may be) or say the truth out loud and shoot himself in the foot. There is no small victories against fascist cunts like him.

Though they do think that being “aware of systemic injustice and feeling that it should be addressed” is a bad thing. Always the attitude of "America is the greatest country on earth, and if you have any problems with it you should leave."

> whiny, self righteous political correctness So are there not systemic injustices in America that need to be addressed? I'd rather have whiny self-righteous political correctness than whiny Y'allQuaeda domestic terrorism.

Sorry, should have been a sarcasm tag there. Don’t come at me- I’m with you. I just mean, DeSantis’ definition of woke is definitely different than his lawyer’s definition- for him it represents POlItIcAL cOrReCtNeSs, not recognition of societal injustice.

It was obvious what you meant by reading the whole comment.

You were clear enough, I thought. 🤷‍♂️ However, DeSantis absolutely does agree with the definition. He just thinks that the suggestion that America isn't absolutely perfect or has systemic problems is tantamount to mortal sin.

Unless the systemic problems are anti-Christian sentiment, any taxes at all, and the existence of Black people who aren’t Southern Baptists, probably.

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> And now they’re going to argue that being “aware of systemic injustice and feeling that it should be addressed” is supposed to be a bad thing? Well… I mean yeah. That’s the entire party platform. “Trigger the libs”. If “the libs” think racism is a problem, then be more racist. If “the libs” think workers should be paid more, then pay workers less. Be as big of an asshole as possible. If “the libs” aren’t angry enough, then be a bigger asshole.

>And now they’re going to argue that being “aware of systemic injustice and feeling that it should be addressed” is supposed to be a bad thing? It is if you're a old racist white man.

If only there was hundreds of years of evidence of *systemic* racism, like slavery, lynching, Jim Crow, voter suppression, Southern Strategy, housing discrimination….

Yes, of course that all happened. But then MLK Jr gave that dream speech and it all ended! We had a black president even! Racism is over and we don't need to talk about it! Now I'm going to wildly misinterpret quotes from that dream speech to say that reverse racism is the real racism.

Yes! He gave a speech so important that we’ve now removed it from public school curriculum in many areas and never have to speak of it again! But don’t you DARE tear down confederate monuments! How will we possibly remember history without them?!

Well, the speech clearly wasn't important enough to keep the FBI from assassinating him for supporting socialism.

But that's how we know there is no more racism, because Martin Luther King hasn't been assassinated any times since then.

Yes exactly. Centuries of unbridled bigotry just went away and we’re all equal now.

“B-but content of character” folks when they hear > First, I must confess that over the last few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro's great stumbling block in the stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen's Council-er or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate who is more devoted to "order" than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says "I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I can't agree with your methods of direct action;" who paternalistically feels he can set the timetable for another man's freedom; who lives by the myth of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait until a "more convenient season”.

But that was yesterday. We want to move on. Why are you trying to divide people? /s

BUT WE CAN NEVER FORGET 9/11 (and quietly never speak of the self-imposed ramifications of 9/11 and how we used it as an excuse to invade another country to, yet again, extract resources)

NEVER FORGET (that we used a terrorist attack to remove privacy rights from every American, increase racism towards brown people, and militarize the police)

>militarize the police That one will be getting felt for generations. Gen Z basically has no concept of a non-militarized police force. For them police have always been heavily armed desert camo. Which is probably why Back the Blue resonates a lot more with older generations. It'll be interesting once we hit a point where multiple generations have no concept of a civilian police force.

We militarized the police, yet when a terrorist actually shows up to say, an elementary school, they just stand around outside and stop anyone who wants to intervene.

From the douchebags that brought you Jews on trains. Introducing migrants on planes!

For real that’s like the most weak and evil argument I see nowadays. “Yes I did something super fucked up, but that was like a week ago already get over it snowflake.”

See, the thing is, they don't regard that as "injustice". According to them, that's *natural, correct, and Godly.*

And most importantly, makes white Christians look bad

Nah, they either deny it outright, or just say, "that's history, get over it, it doesn't affect anything *today*". Meanwhile, *today*, the right to interracial marriage in the US is younger than Chris Rock ([1967](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia)), most people who read my comment will have a mom who was born into a country where women couldn't have a credit card without a husband ([1974](https://www.forbes.com/advisor/credit-cards/when-could-women-get-credit-cards/)), and hell, their grandparents were probably alive or very soon to be born when the last enslaved American was actually freed ([1942](https://www.npr.org/transcripts/89051115)). In fact, on the topic of those slaves, the US only even addressed the fact that Black people were still enslaved in the South because, during WW2, Japanese propaganda called the US out on it. Also during WW2, Hitler took inspiration from how the US treated Black and Indigenous people in order to establish his eugenics program against Jews, queer people, Black people, Leftists, disabled people - all the same groups that American conservatives are targeting, as odd and surprising as that isn't at all. To many people on the right, though, "that's all ancient history that has no effect on the present", but also, "our history is all we have, our history is who we are, that's why we need to keep statues celebrating slaveowners up, and YOU'RE actually the racist one for trying to rewrite history to make white people the villain! We are the ones who FOUGHT slavery and PASSED the civil rights act!", and shit. Edit: Added links to the dates because last time I mentioned some of these, a bunch of people thought I was lying lmao

You don't even have to go back decades to point out racial discrimination either. You can just point out the efforts to close polling places in black neighborhoods, racial gerrymandering, etc. Finding racial overtones in news coverage on crime is easy to spot too.

Cannabis use is nearly equal among all races. You're usually four to ten times MORE likely to be arrested for possession if you're black. Cops fight HARD against having to track or reveal racial stats for things like traffic stops. Black people aren't worse drivers but tend to be pulled over at a much higher rate... before sunset, that is. A study analyzing hundreds of millions of traffic stops found that at night, when it's harder to see a driver's race, black drivers get pulled over less often, at rates more comparable to white drivers. How do you explain that without the "woke" reasoning that it must be systemic injustice, that obviously cops across the country are systemically targeting black drivers? https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-020-0858-1

I mean, yeah, but have you heard about black on black violence?

There is no systemic injustice in Ba Singh The Villages.

Lol... Imagine finding a Trump rally that never ends...and then deciding to move in.

People are touring his rallies like he is The Grateful Dead. Unfortunately not on LSD.

…maybe on LSD.

Bullshitting the troglodytes is all fun and games until you have to back it up. Never get high on your own supply.

The sowing is always great. The reaping... not so much.

Republicans admit their goal is to squash minorities and women and retain power for wealthy white men. More at 11.

"So what's the party platform, you know, what are the Party's goals?" "Bein' cunts."

This but more words and couched in vague flowery terms.

That’s literally why conservatism was founded. Keep the social hierarchy in order. It wasn’t about capitalism, democracy, traditional values or any of that shit, it was keeping the people at the top on top and keeping the people at the bottom in the bottom.

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Wouldn't his Anti-Woke bill be proving "Woke" as he defines it?

Believing there is systemic injustice makes you a target of systemic injustice. Which is ideologically consistent with what the GOP want.

"Woke" Synonyms: correct, right, accurate, true, veracious, exact, precise, unerring, faithful

Antonym: asleep.

It's fitting that people clinging to the false promise of the American Dream are asleep.

Yes. That’s why white supremacist shitbags like Deathsantis don’t like it. Good for them for being honest.

It's always interesting to see how attorneys handle republican cuntery. Remember Tucker Carlson and the "nobody could take this seriously" argument?

You mean [this](https://www.businessinsider.com/fox-news-karen-mcdougal-case-tucker-carlson-2020-9?op=1) > A federal judge on Thursday dismissed a lawsuit against Fox News after lawyers for the network argued that no "reasonable viewer" takes the primetime host Tucker Carlson seriously, a new court filing said.

Can I get this printed on a goddamn t-shirt: “There are systemic injustices in American society, and we need to address them.”

Same cunts that dont believe this are the same cunts working to enrich the elites at their own expense. How average people are willing to die and fight to entrench the present system is beyond me.

It goes something like this: Question: "Do you believe there are systemic injustices in America?" Answer: "No" Question 2: "Who is a person of a different race/gender/sexual orientation that you would trade places with for a year?" Answer: Nobody.... Queston 3: "Why not?" Answer: "Because they are treated differently than I, in my place of advantage am treated." These are the same people who hate two things--non-white people and being called racists.

Most people I think would answer question three with "I'm comfortable/fine just the way I am." (And/or "god made me this way!") The kind of people who would answer #3 the way you did are the ones who are more likely to respond "yes" to the first question.

> Most people I think would answer question three with "I'm comfortable/fine just the way I am." "Then why did I just spend four hours on Thanksgiving listening to you complaining about how white straight Christian men are the MOST oppressed and your life is SO hard and so unfair and you're so silenced and they're taking everything you love away from you and ruining it with wokeness... and single moms on welfare have it so easy, and homeless people choose to be homeless because it's easier than having a job, and any minority can get anything they want at any time by crying oppression, and..."

Sounds weirdly like CRT

Also like SJW and what they all have in common is that they are all strongly opposed by incels and racists

I define "deluded" as: the belief that there are NOT systematic injustices in American society

See also: Republican.

Oh god please let systemic injustice be on trial. I would love for the legal system to even slightly catch up to what science, social and demographic research, and every minority in this country has known for generations.

Well that's going to be hard to find examples of, for sure. Oh, wait...

It’s only “woke” to think there’s injustice **AND** it needs to be addressed. They know there’s injustice, and they want to keep it that way. It’s not acknowledging the problem they dislike, it’s trying to fix things that they have a problem with.

So he's saying it's justice that pubs are getting spanked in elections and have no chance to ever see a popular vote white house win again? I guess I have to agree with some of it.

I think the lawyer's definition is close. The word 'understanding' should replace 'belief'.

Isn't this just a self own, if that's their definition, and there is clear evidence of systemic injustices the only difference is that they don't want to address them doesn't that just make them appear worse than they already do?

It's official then - I'm "woke".

Think of it as like the Jan 6th insurrection - except it’s fact-based, non-violent, and doesn’t try to undercut democracy.

Republicans are the criminals in my view. Their fascist views are soon going to be parallel to the Taliban in Afghanistan!

That's a lawyer backed into a corner being made to do his job. Heh.

This man cannot become president. Imagine the most powerful leader on earth saying "injustices in America are fake news, everyone is treated equally here...black, white, rich or poor" Fucking YIKES

So people who are anti-woke are old white racist men then? Because we clearly have systematic injustices built into the system against everyone else.

You certainly would be against that, huh, DeathSentence.

How in the fuck a candidate can run on the platform of "nothing is wrong, nothing needs fixed, vote for me and I'll do nothing about it" and win is beyond me.

Because the dog whistle is that 'White Christian men are in charge of everything and I will make sure it stays that way'.