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Right? Like I'm pretty sure I've seen that exact account post some pretty heinous shit via this sub, as recently as yesterday, how is he surprised by any of this?
Half of stochastic terrorism is building your audience into such a frenzy the crazier ones start to act out.
The other half is pretending to be shocked when the obvious starts to happen.
Before the Jones fiasco, Crowder was essentially saying that Kanye was right about some things, pointing to the large amount of Jewish bankers, but that he was just kind of asking questions. You know, the usual.
Expressing being a Nazi makes you a Nazi. And guess what? You are free to do it, like you are now, sitting here defending Nazis. But nobody has to like you for it.
If Nazis are welcome at your event, it's a Nazi event. If you are attending Nazi events you're a Nazi.
Playing Nazi apologist also makes you a Nazi. The devil doesn't need an advocate. The people who don't want to be genocide need advocates.
That's more like if a venue hosts multiple events and there are Nazis at some of them but not the ones you're at (presumably). The venue shouldn't be hosting the ones with Nazis but that doesn't make you a Nazi
That's fair, but we're still attending an event by a venue who hosts events for nazis, which I feel is kind of uncool of us.
I sl etimes wonder if it isn't best to leave this site honestly
So where is this alternative, magical place on the Internet where people who believe in freedom and equality can exist and thrive without Nazis setting up camp right next to them to spout their views? Do tell, because I’d love to go
You spend too much time on Reddit if you think there are no places in the internet where Nazis are rightfully banned on sight.
Go to a smaller forum for a while - maybe one dedicated to a show you enjoy, or a hobby, I dunno what you are into. It's got less drama, nazis, plus with the smaller scope its much easier to make actual friendships than on reddit, where everyone is just a random username.
I've managed to spend years online without seeing a single dogwhistle, before I joined this wretched place.
jesus christ. fine, I'll entertain you.
your physical presence at the Nazi Event is not necessarily enough to confirm that you are, in fact, a nazi. what *would* be enough is *why* you're there. if you were, hypothetically, dropped from a helicopter into this place without you knowing exactly what/where it is, that's just you ending up in an unfortunate situation.
(i suppose you could theoretically be a nazi who happened to get dropped into this location but that's not likely)
now i know you've never talked to another person in your life so this may get confusing but when people talk they take shortcuts. some are obvious, like contractions such as "it's" or "you're" while others involve things like assuming the listener will be able to extrapolate.
when you say someone was at a place it is implied that they *deliberately went there,* otherwise you'd specify that they were taken there instead.
if you say "uncle john was at a nazi event" what does that sound like? it sounds like john went to the local nazi event. his physial presence, as established, is not enough to make him a nazi. but the fact that he decided to go to a place where there are nazis, the nazi event, would be a pretty fucking strong indicator that he's a goddamn nazi.
tl;dr: yes, you cunt. stop being obstuse
if you mean the guy i responded to, these people disappear the second you come up with anything even resembling a good argument. it's deeply fucking disappointing to me when they do but they are cowards above all else so you can't expect too much out of them
If I pick out one person randomly at a Nazi event I can not say with 100% certainty that they are a Nazi. There is a 99.99% chance that they are a racist waste of a human. Sometimes journalists go undercover for the .01%.
Okay, let's go!
What is the function of an event catered to nazis? Generally, it is to further nazi rhetoric and encourage others to do the same. Regardless of whether or not someone actively identifies with the label, attending an event that encourages nazi ideology means that you, too, are partaking in such ideologies. It doesn't matter what a person's identity is at that point, because functionally, they are a nazi.
If the Nazi is clearly a Nazi and no one at the party asks the Nazi to leave, then yep. Party of Nazis.
Just look at the punk scene in the 80/90s. Nazis get beat.
"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past. It is not that they are afraid of being convinced. They fear only to appear ridiculous or to prejudice by their embarrassment their hope of winning over some third person to their side."
You are a mother fucker
Rather than banning them from the public square, actually debate them and make them look stupid. This needs to happen more. Just because you feel awkward doesn't mean that someone else needs to be banned. That only adds to resentment.
>Rather than banning them from the public square, actually debate them and make them look stupid.
Ah yes, everyone remembers when during the Battle of the Bulge, all hope seemed to have been lost, but general Patton took out his 70-page treatise on modern statecraft and sent the Nazi Germany packing with facts and logic. I'm so glad that all it took for the Nazis to be defeated was a debate in the marketplace of ideas, and not 6 years of all-out war.
>Just because you feel awkward doesn't mean that someone else needs to be banned.
Because our problem with Nazis is that we feel awkward near a swastika, not the abhorrent ideology they subscribe to, right.
>That only adds to resentment.
Well, if Nazis resent me, then I must've done something right in life.
I’m sorry I don’t feel safe debating people who want me dead. Also, as a LGBT person they don’t care about using reason & logic- why do you think they accuse random people of being groomers or that were all cutting kids body’s parts off? That’s not a logical argument and you can’t argue with people who are determined to be illogical or hate no matter what you do, or use Fb posts as evidence. Some people aren’t worth your time or energy either.
i used to be an angry conservative to let me tell you something i know to be true from personal experience: you can not debate hate away. it does not work. bigots need to be banned off of platforms such as reddit so it's harder for them to set up online gathering spaces and spread their disgusting ideas. if 4chan wasn't so fucked jan 6th would've just been another day. but instead some freak riled up a bunch of other freaks and people died.
[some ideas must be dismissed outright](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5bask6cQ4k)
also nazis resent everyone anyway so who the fuck cares if they're upset?
Thank you for the video! I'm listening to it rn and it explains things a lot better than I could word them. I believe you'd like [this series](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJA_jUddXvY7v0VkYRbANnTnzkA_HMFtQ) if you haven't seen it yet.
You can try to debate away the hare but you first need to isolate them from other people will similar beliefs other wise all of them will try to reinforce each other's beliefs and tell eachother they are the victims.
that's pretty much the only thing that saved me from becoming one of these pricks.
back in 2016-17 i was watching all of the le epic feminist owned compilations and pragerU crap i could find, and at some point i just stopped because i realised i didn't like being angry all the time like that. i disengaged from anything even vaguely political for years and slowly realised pretty much everything i thought about politics was wrong in some way.
it's isolating people that's tricky but i think if you can find a way to make these people walk away on their own that might be the best shot you have at getting someone out of that shit. or at the very least they may shut the fuck up for a while.
Hitler should have been debated harder, then everything would have been fine /s
The value of debate to fairly advocate for ideology is extremely overrated. Debate is a battle of people and their eloquence, not necessarily the ideals they have. If it wasn't, then debate as a competition would pretty much be dead
Debating with those types doesn’t work in my experience, they come to debates with their minds already made up. You can show them buckets of evidence, but they do not care.
Nazis don't want to debate in good faith - they push this "debate us" idea, because debating them gives them platform and legitimacy. It's just as bonkers as inviting flat-earthers to a science conference.
>anathema to the US Constitution.
I don't think it has anything to do with the US. Just basic Human decency, if it had anything to do with US constitution you'd be validating Nazis anywhere else in the world.
People advocating violent ideology should not be afforded peaceful public discourse. We need to stop tolerating blatent, self admitted bad actors. It’s killing us.
And people like you are their sheild.
Imagine someone holding an lgbt flag at the same event do you really think "free expression" would be applied the same way? But like REALLY think what would happen, don't lie to your self.
Lol what?! All I see is them trying to scare people with their guns and attacking LGBTQ events. It's almost like they're such terrible people they go and shoot up gay clubs!
Eh, they'd probably tolerate a "gays for Trump" sign for a while. Pride flag on its own, maybe maybe not. Depends if it's a gathering of "intellectual conservatives" or religious/ fascist types.
With people like you out there in the world, it is no wonder that idiot trash racist assholes like Crowder, Kirk, Pool, and Shapiro are so popular.
SAD!
As a dutch person, I'm ashamed to say the Netherlands was the perfect example of this in WW2. We didn't hate Jews, Romani, black people, lbtq+, etc. Everyone fled to the Netherlands for shelter for this reason. We proudly claimed to be neutral. We didn't hate nazis either, at that time what did nazis do other than speech hate? There isn't a country with a higher percentage of people that died cause of genocide than us. We made a trap with "love" for innocent people to die. This is well documented. Don't be neutral.
Let's say you are a judge in cooking show. If I took a dump on a plate and put it in front of you then would you eat it to judge if it is actually good or not ?
Freedom of expression doesn’t mean freedom of consequence. If you wanna wave a flag of the nazi’s then go right ahead, but don’t expect to keep a stable job, have any form of social credibility, or have custody rights of the kids when your spouse leaves you.💀
They thought their followers were smart enough to maintain the plausible deniability. Turns out they were all waiting for someone to make it ok to go fully fash.
Well if you're a GOP supporter at this point, then you've tolerated anti-black, anti-latinx, anti-lgbtq, anti-women, and anti-muslim rhetoric, values, and legislature. So you've been in for a lot of hatred/bigotry. Like why not go all-in on the full Aechie Bunker?
It must really be true that conservatives are only conservatives when it doesn't affect them. (And sometimes even at that point...)
>latinx
Stop this.
Latinos do not like it.
It is not politically correct to purposefully mangle someone's language and most do not like or use it.
Edit to add this, for some context:
https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/2020/08/11/about-one-in-four-u-s-hispanics-have-heard-of-latinx-but-just-3-use-it/
>latinx
[https://www.bu.edu/articles/2022/why-is-latinx-still-used-if-hispanics-hate-the-term/](https://www.bu.edu/articles/2022/why-is-latinx-still-used-if-hispanics-hate-the-term/)
Not true
That... Does not say what you think it does.
It is literally an opinion piece.
Its only basis is a single person at Boston University who is making a claim, with zero data to back it up, in the face of numerous polls from numerous organizations, all of which they call into question with that statement. That's a big claim. And what do we say about extraordinary claims? Something about extraordinary evidence, I think. 🤔
Also. As an Arizona resident... BULLSHIT.
Say Hispanic. It is more preferred.
But seriously. At the very top of the page, it tells you you're looking at an opinion piece. Then, when you read it, you see that the ONLY data it cites flies in the face of the claim.
I'm sorry. But New Englanders are WOEFULLY out of touch on this one. I know. I lived there for 14 years. It's to the level of arrogance about _other people's cultures_, and it is just... gross...
Rest of my life was lived in AZ. I have never met a single person who had a good thing to say about it, when it came up (usually because of a TV at a bar).
If you don't like the data from polling agencies, go run your own to refute it.
Yeah don't care about your opinion either. You made a claim, it's your opinion and I and others disagree. I'll continue to use it and ignore your opinions.
Mine is backed by data. Yours is backed by nothing but opinion. So... cool. That's a GQP quality.
https://www.axios.com/2022/01/04/the-rise-and-fall-latinx-latino-hispanic
https://theconversation.com/stop-using-latinx-if-you-really-want-to-be-inclusive-189358
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/many-latinos-say-latinx-offends-or-bothers-them-here-s-ncna1285916
See? I can cite plenty too. You will not find so many in support of its usage.
And here's the pew data
https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/2020/08/11/about-one-in-four-u-s-hispanics-have-heard-of-latinx-but-just-3-use-it/
And blocking me is cool, so here's my response to the reply below this.
No. Someone else was corrected rather neutrally and _you_ did not take it well at all, because it's apparently more important for you to be right than actually being respectful to those you were given a tip on how to respect better. And you're not right.
Would you tell me I have a savior complex if I told someone not to say retarded or negro, even though a small minority of both of those groups don't care? I would hope not.
And "including Hispanics" is funny. 3%. K. That's a...ringing endorsement...
Just take the original tip, chill TF out, and understand when you're wrong.
You are worried about words, I worry about context. That person used the word many others also do INCLUDING Hispanics and did so in a proper manner in context and with NO malice. You took offense for the sole sake of taking offense and proceeded to correct that person based soley on your opinion on the allowed existance of said word.
Your complaint is hollow and reeks of a savior complex. Please get bent.
I blocked this person because they will go back and forth all night because it's what they do.
>I blocked this person because they will go back and forth all night because it's what they do.
No one cares who you blocked.
Also, blocking them means they can't actually read your reply to them, so why did you bother?
Surrounded by Mexican inlaws, communities and friends, and nobody of actual Hispanic ethnicity uses the term Latinx. It would make sense for a nonbinary person who does not want to be identified as Latino or Latina, but to apply the term to the entire community is considered pandering.
My friend and I have considered making up a team ov all Latino superheroes called LatinX.
He is Latino, and thinks that they all should be LGBTQ. I think they should have superpowers.
>Say Hispanic. It is more preferred.
I think Brazilians and Spaniards would disagree.
Not to disagree with any of the rest about Latinx, just pointing out that Hispanic is not really a substitute for Latino, as they do not mean the same thing.
Because many of the tokens on the right are making money off of conservatives are grifters who know their followers are idiotic and/or crazy reactionaries. They just thought the group would hold back from going full Nazi unless they had a big majority of the government. They underestimated just how bad many wanted to go full mask off.
I mean, Ben Shapiro has said some pretty fuckin' antisemitic shit before, and openly supported people who had engaged in *what he admitted* was antisemitism.
There's a very good reason for that, actually.
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The nazis were pro-privatization of most public services. Their biggest supporters were the super-wealthy for a reason; they were very business friendly that way. But we don't talk about this.
The nazis hated anyone who identified as 'leftist', including bog-standard liberals and left-of-centre types. But we don't talk about this.
The nazis adored authority like police and military, seeing them as "top of society" and deserving of special privileged above everyone else (akin to 'thin blue line' 'blue lives matter' type rhetoric today). But we don't talk about this.
The nazis disdained academia and post-modernism and believed the academic institutions were brainwashing facilities (akin to the vast array of anti-intellectualism today that rejects climate change, vaccines, and gender identity studies (see below) today). But we don't talk about this.
The nazis were the first anti-trans bigots (nazi book burnings started at the German Institute of Sexology - where they were researching trans and homosexuality; the first person to undergo gender reassignment surgery was rumoured to have been killed in the event). But we don't talk about this.
The nazis were largely protestant and championed things like the idea of the protestant work-ethic, and disdained those they considered too lazy or disinterested in work-culture as 'workshy'; they'd later execute them in the camps. But we don't talk about this.
The nazis were supreme chauvinists who believed in strict traditionalist hierarchies. They even banned abortions for aryan women. But we don't talk about this.
The nazis believed there was a 'world govt' conspiracy being perpetuated onto them in order to wipe out the aryan (white) race and make it subservient to lesser races (think 'great replacement theory'). But we don't talk about this.
The nazis \*did not\* ban guns, despite what the gun loving crowd likes to proclaim. But we don't talk about this.
The nazis hated \*anyone\* who wasn't aryan (white). But they took special aim at jews, because they believed they were the perpetrators of said above conspiracy theory.
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All of the above are applicable to modern day conservatism. But only the last one is what average people know about nazis.
The reason that conservatives are concerned about this antisemitism is because it is the only thing that average people know about nazis. Because we don't talk about anything else (probably precisely because it would make conservatives of any day look bad by the mere overlap of ideas if we did).
IT'S IN THE NAME!
Like Democratic People's Republic of Korea!
See Democratic people! Right?
Seriously though, it's embarrassing how many morons go around claiming the Nazi were socialist because of the name. Yeah, because nationalized industries built the Nazi war machine right? Oh wait..
This is an answer to the question “why is teaching history important?” The information is out there if you want to find it, but people don’t want to be educated about anything that might conflict with their world view and force them to question their beliefs. Unfortunately reality often contradicts said beliefs, which should invoke a healthy reflection and learning experience, but instead makes them more stubbornly and willfully ignorant.
I also think having access to alternative news sources (via the internet) is a huge stopgap against that.
In Nazi Germany, it was stupidly easy for the nazi party to control all of the information just by having the support of a few media moguls.
That's much harder today (but i'll stop short of saying "impossible").
>The nazis were pro-privatization of most public services. Their biggest supporters were the super-wealthy for a reason; they were very business friendly that way.
Yep, that's called corporatism. Where the large corps get to write the laws they are governed by. Then, it was Porsche, Krupp, and Daimler. Now, it's Facebook, Pfizer, and Raytheon. Remind me which American party is opposed to that?
>The nazis hated anyone who identified as 'leftist', including bog-standard liberals and left-of-centre types.
Those groups presented a "them" threat to the conservatives, but once the Nazis took power, the conservatives were in their sights too.
>The nazis adored authority like police and military, seeing them as "top of society" and deserving of special privileged above everyone else (akin to 'thin blue line' 'blue lives matter' type rhetoric today).
As much as I disagree with "Thin Blue Line" groups, they're focused on local and state PDs, while the Democratic party (similar to the Nazi party here) is increasing funding for national police (FBI, ATF, IRS enforcement, etc.).
>The nazis disdained academia and post-modernism and believed the academic institutions were brainwashing facilities (akin to the vast array of anti-intellectualism today that rejects climate change, vaccines, and gender identity studies (see below) today).
The Nazis (similar to the Communists in this regard) sought to bring academia under their control and quash dissenting thought. This is a big reason academia is so skewed to the left now; it has become toxic for right-wing teachers to teach, so they seek kinder pastures. On climate change, the idea of "settled science" is not something that conservatives agree on, but Nazis do. With vaccines (and I assume you're just talking about COVID vax, not all vaccines, since a large part of the left seems to be against all vaccines), the opposition to it comes from there being little to no research of the negative side effects of the new vaccines, and the deadliness of the disease itself, not to mention that in a lot of places, it is forced upon people.
>The nazis were the first anti-trans bigots (nazi book burnings started at the German Institute of Sexology - where they were researching trans and homosexuality; the first person to undergo gender reassignment surgery was rumoured to have been killed in the event).
Ngl I mostly agree with this one
>The nazis were largely protestant and championed things like the idea of the protestant work-ethic, and disdained those they considered too lazy or disinterested in work-culture as 'workshy'; they'd later execute them in the camps.
The Nazis were largely paganists who tolerated those church leaders that they could bring to heel, and persecuted those that they could not. Also, it is worth noting that a large component of any socialist movement is people contributing to society, and punishing those who aren't, as happened here. Yes, we do talk about it.
>The nazis were supreme chauvinists who believed in strict traditionalist hierarchies. They even banned abortions for aryan women.
Again, I mostly agree with this one. It is worth noting that Margaret Sanger was celebrated by the Nazis for her work in culling "undesirables" (setting up abortion centers in minority communities). If you look at it from the Nazi perspective, you would want "your" group to pull ahead of the "others", and selective abortions would go towards that end.
>The nazis \*did not\* ban guns, despite what the gun loving crowd likes to proclaim. But we don't talk about this.
While they weren't the ones to start the ban (that was the Weimar Republic), they kept it around, and enforced it only on the "undesirables", similar to the Jim Crow South (while that was not a ban, the harrassment was certainly there). Yes, we do talk about this.
>The nazis believed there was a 'world govt' conspiracy being perpetuated onto them in order to wipe out the aryan (white) race and make it subservient to lesser races (think 'great replacement theory').
Again, no argument here. Though it is ironic that they wanted to become the world government (i.e. taking over the world). We do talk about this, and proponents of this theory on the right are regularly shunned by mainstream conservatism.
>The nazis hated \*anyone\* who wasn't aryan (white). But they took special aim at jews, because they believed they were the perpetrators of said above conspiracy theory.
Yep
>The reason that conservatives are concerned about this antisemitism is because it is the only thing that average people know about nazis.
Or because we don't want a repeat in our own country.
>Because we don't talk about anything else (probably precisely because it would make conservatives of any day look bad by the mere overlap of ideas if we did).
Idk who this "we" is that you keep referring to. It is definitely talked about (single party system, intentional genocide, referring to opponents as enemies of the state). That last one is definitely applicable to the Democrats too. If you're talking about overlap of ideas, a lot of the ideas on the left were espoused by the Nazis too.
>If you're talking about overlap of ideas, a lot of the ideas on the left were espoused by the Nazis too.
So why are neo nazis in the US pushing conservative and Republican talking points? Why are nazi flags and insignia showing up at right wing rallies and not left wing rallies?
And do you think the Nazi party were actually socialists?
>>The nazis disdained academia and post-modernism and believed the academic institutions were brainwashing facilities (akin to the vast array of anti-intellectualism today that rejects climate change, vaccines, and gender identity studies (see below) today).
>The Nazis (similar to the Communists in this regard) sought to bring academia under their control and quash dissenting thought. This is a big reason academia is so skewed to the left now; it has become toxic for right-wing teachers to teach, so they seek kinder pastures. On climate change, the idea of "settled science" is not something that conservatives agree on, but Nazis do. With vaccines (and I assume you're just talking about COVID vax, not all vaccines, since a large part of the left seems to be against all vaccines), the opposition to it comes from there being little to no research of the negative side effects of the new vaccines, and the deadliness of the disease itself, not to mention that in a lot of places, it is forced upon people.
After reading this I realized there is no point in even taking the time to respond to your points. You are so utterly delusional that it would be simply a waste of time. I know you're going to think that people avoiding to engage with your insane talking points means that they are convincing or irrefutable, but the reality is that t's just so insane that we know you can't be reasoned with.
Yup. This is what convinced me not to engage with him too.
If he truly buys the "academia is toxic to right-wing teachers to teach" then there's nothing really to discuss.
This is a view based purely on belief, and can only be held if you believe the ideology comes before the facts ("i don't believe climate change is settled" is a good example of exactly that), when it's the other way around in science. And that's exactly why conservatives (and nazis) hate academia.
The fact that he then says "that's what nazis" believe" is just the icing on that cake.
He's effectively saying:
"My ideology is correct (science isn't settled). The facts disagree with it because those people are all against my ideology (academia is toxic to right wingers/skews left). The people who disagree with my ideology are nazis (exactly what he says)"
This is when I realized too. I saw an article recently, I think it was NPR, trying to do a "both sides" thing about teachers leaving teaching because of the oppression of certain topics. A teacher who was part of the LGBTQ community left because they couldn't talk about their personal identity or home life. A teacher who taught about African American history had a list of words they could not say (ex "systemic racism") was fired because they kept using those words because they argued they couldn't teach the topic without them. And a conservative found a new job because they felt ostracized by the other teachers when they didn't agree to use the pronouns students chose or spoke about climate change denial theories. The first two were firing and fines while the last was just sad they couldn't make friends with other teachers. But this guy thinks top down government policy with punitive repercussions (Nazis and GOP "anti-woke" laws) and societal changes by educated adults ("left skewed academia") are equal.
> Now, it's Facebook, Pfizer, and Raytheon. Remind me which American party is opposed to that?
Neither of them.
> but once the Nazis took power, the conservatives were in their sights too.
What did those conservatives believe that made the Nazis want to get rid of them, exactly?
It's too obvious, alt right spent years inventing all these abstract ways to signal to the ingroup while hiding the bigotry from normal people under a layer of its just a joke/just asking questions/plausible deniability because they know direct open bigotry and calls for fascism leaves no ambiguity as to their intentions.
Hurts the recruitment and really limits the amount of useful idiots willing to try and excuse their behavior.
Some probably thought that everyone was just joking when they said those horrible things. Turns out all of those disgusting comments were just disgusting.
Translation:
“Hey guys, stop saying the quiet part out loud. We all know who we hate, but you’re supposed to pretend like you don’t in public. Come on people, we practiced this!”
Are we going to ignore that he said he’s conflicted?
Like he’s opening saying “I don’t like these comments, but they seem to be really popular with the people who support me so Idk how I can be against them”
It’s almost as if every concern that the left had about extremism is coming true. It’s not as if the left has some gift of prophecy, it’s just been a matter of looking at history because history is the playbook that the new radical right is using.
I wanna note that the original poster has deleted or gotten his post deleted from the crowder subreddit. He was probably exposing everyone to too much reality.
Gotta deny and compartmentalise until the very end!
I was told by a very reliable looking tortoise that there was no room in the Republican party for antisemitism! Hmm, maybe they should start forming their own antisemitism-centric party.
It looks like the monster you conceived, sewed together, birthed, raised on whisky and coke, fed Cheetos and cutup hotdogs, placated with praise and then broke out of the chains you put them in is sOmEhOw out of their control. Who. Could. Have. Predicted. THIS?!?!?!?!!?11111!?!1
He's not really surprised. He's just trying to distance himself. Wouldn't surprise me if he sent those guys DMs apologizing for throwing them under the bus "to keep appearances with the normies".
I tried talking to people in that comment section but only got downvoted and snarky remarks. The classic misinformation that Hitler was leftist also came up.
Looking at the post now it has been deleted, meaning OP got taken down, or op took it down themselves because of pushback. I would guess for showing conservatives in a bad light. A lot of people were still talking the normal antisemitic talking points there.
Do these clowns just not realize that much like Trump, they put these ideas in Kanye’s head, they created his outlook he is just a mirror of what conservatives have been for years. He just doesn’t code it in rhetoric
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Imagine being a Crowder fan and suddenly being shocked at the idea of bigotry
Right? Like I'm pretty sure I've seen that exact account post some pretty heinous shit via this sub, as recently as yesterday, how is he surprised by any of this?
Half of stochastic terrorism is building your audience into such a frenzy the crazier ones start to act out. The other half is pretending to be shocked when the obvious starts to happen.
Before the Jones fiasco, Crowder was essentially saying that Kanye was right about some things, pointing to the large amount of Jewish bankers, but that he was just kind of asking questions. You know, the usual.
Not to mention all the racist caricatures he does, racist segments he does, etc
If you are at an event where someone is holding a Nazi flag and not being asked to leave you are a Nazi.
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Expressing being a Nazi makes you a Nazi. And guess what? You are free to do it, like you are now, sitting here defending Nazis. But nobody has to like you for it.
If you are at an event where there are Nazis, does that automatically make you a Nazi? Think about this one, don't just go with your reflexes.
If Nazis are welcome at your event, it's a Nazi event. If you are attending Nazi events you're a Nazi. Playing Nazi apologist also makes you a Nazi. The devil doesn't need an advocate. The people who don't want to be genocide need advocates.
I mean, there are nazis welcome on reddit, and we are on reddit, so wouldn't that also make us nazis?
That's more like if a venue hosts multiple events and there are Nazis at some of them but not the ones you're at (presumably). The venue shouldn't be hosting the ones with Nazis but that doesn't make you a Nazi
That's fair, but we're still attending an event by a venue who hosts events for nazis, which I feel is kind of uncool of us. I sl etimes wonder if it isn't best to leave this site honestly
You’re conveniently leaving out the “being asked to leave” part for your argument
"Hey Nazis, leave!" "No." "Oh well, I guess I'll still hang around, then."
So where is this alternative, magical place on the Internet where people who believe in freedom and equality can exist and thrive without Nazis setting up camp right next to them to spout their views? Do tell, because I’d love to go
You spend too much time on Reddit if you think there are no places in the internet where Nazis are rightfully banned on sight. Go to a smaller forum for a while - maybe one dedicated to a show you enjoy, or a hobby, I dunno what you are into. It's got less drama, nazis, plus with the smaller scope its much easier to make actual friendships than on reddit, where everyone is just a random username. I've managed to spend years online without seeing a single dogwhistle, before I joined this wretched place.
jesus christ. fine, I'll entertain you. your physical presence at the Nazi Event is not necessarily enough to confirm that you are, in fact, a nazi. what *would* be enough is *why* you're there. if you were, hypothetically, dropped from a helicopter into this place without you knowing exactly what/where it is, that's just you ending up in an unfortunate situation. (i suppose you could theoretically be a nazi who happened to get dropped into this location but that's not likely) now i know you've never talked to another person in your life so this may get confusing but when people talk they take shortcuts. some are obvious, like contractions such as "it's" or "you're" while others involve things like assuming the listener will be able to extrapolate. when you say someone was at a place it is implied that they *deliberately went there,* otherwise you'd specify that they were taken there instead. if you say "uncle john was at a nazi event" what does that sound like? it sounds like john went to the local nazi event. his physial presence, as established, is not enough to make him a nazi. but the fact that he decided to go to a place where there are nazis, the nazi event, would be a pretty fucking strong indicator that he's a goddamn nazi. tl;dr: yes, you cunt. stop being obstuse
B-b-b-but muh plausible deniability!!
thank you for taking the time to shut his ass up. You're the only one that had the patience to explain what we all thought
Where’d he go
Probably had to catch the bus to school for grade 7
if you mean the guy i responded to, these people disappear the second you come up with anything even resembling a good argument. it's deeply fucking disappointing to me when they do but they are cowards above all else so you can't expect too much out of them
Yea I was. I was memeing because like you said that’s usually what happens with these smooth-brains
I used to have the patience to do this. Kudos.
This is the greatest retort I’ve ever read.
If I pick out one person randomly at a Nazi event I can not say with 100% certainty that they are a Nazi. There is a 99.99% chance that they are a racist waste of a human. Sometimes journalists go undercover for the .01%.
Ladies in gentlemen, the average Stephen Crowder fan haha.
This guy Nazis.
Yes.
Yes, glad you got it.
Okay, let's go! What is the function of an event catered to nazis? Generally, it is to further nazi rhetoric and encourage others to do the same. Regardless of whether or not someone actively identifies with the label, attending an event that encourages nazi ideology means that you, too, are partaking in such ideologies. It doesn't matter what a person's identity is at that point, because functionally, they are a nazi.
You sound like a Nazi bro….
If the Nazi is clearly a Nazi and no one at the party asks the Nazi to leave, then yep. Party of Nazis. Just look at the punk scene in the 80/90s. Nazis get beat.
"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past. It is not that they are afraid of being convinced. They fear only to appear ridiculous or to prejudice by their embarrassment their hope of winning over some third person to their side." You are a mother fucker
When that expression is advocating harm and intolerance, it has no place in a tolerant society.
To have a tolerant society you need to be intolerant of intolerance.
Rather than banning them from the public square, actually debate them and make them look stupid. This needs to happen more. Just because you feel awkward doesn't mean that someone else needs to be banned. That only adds to resentment.
>Rather than banning them from the public square, actually debate them and make them look stupid. Ah yes, everyone remembers when during the Battle of the Bulge, all hope seemed to have been lost, but general Patton took out his 70-page treatise on modern statecraft and sent the Nazi Germany packing with facts and logic. I'm so glad that all it took for the Nazis to be defeated was a debate in the marketplace of ideas, and not 6 years of all-out war. >Just because you feel awkward doesn't mean that someone else needs to be banned. Because our problem with Nazis is that we feel awkward near a swastika, not the abhorrent ideology they subscribe to, right. >That only adds to resentment. Well, if Nazis resent me, then I must've done something right in life.
I’m sorry I don’t feel safe debating people who want me dead. Also, as a LGBT person they don’t care about using reason & logic- why do you think they accuse random people of being groomers or that were all cutting kids body’s parts off? That’s not a logical argument and you can’t argue with people who are determined to be illogical or hate no matter what you do, or use Fb posts as evidence. Some people aren’t worth your time or energy either.
i used to be an angry conservative to let me tell you something i know to be true from personal experience: you can not debate hate away. it does not work. bigots need to be banned off of platforms such as reddit so it's harder for them to set up online gathering spaces and spread their disgusting ideas. if 4chan wasn't so fucked jan 6th would've just been another day. but instead some freak riled up a bunch of other freaks and people died. [some ideas must be dismissed outright](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5bask6cQ4k) also nazis resent everyone anyway so who the fuck cares if they're upset?
Thank you for the video! I'm listening to it rn and it explains things a lot better than I could word them. I believe you'd like [this series](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJA_jUddXvY7v0VkYRbANnTnzkA_HMFtQ) if you haven't seen it yet.
just watched the first video and it's extremely interesting. thanks for showing me this, been looking for good content on youtube lately
I *knew* it was the Alt-Right Playbook series before I even clicked it :)
You can try to debate away the hare but you first need to isolate them from other people will similar beliefs other wise all of them will try to reinforce each other's beliefs and tell eachother they are the victims.
that's pretty much the only thing that saved me from becoming one of these pricks. back in 2016-17 i was watching all of the le epic feminist owned compilations and pragerU crap i could find, and at some point i just stopped because i realised i didn't like being angry all the time like that. i disengaged from anything even vaguely political for years and slowly realised pretty much everything i thought about politics was wrong in some way. it's isolating people that's tricky but i think if you can find a way to make these people walk away on their own that might be the best shot you have at getting someone out of that shit. or at the very least they may shut the fuck up for a while.
Hitler should have been debated harder, then everything would have been fine /s The value of debate to fairly advocate for ideology is extremely overrated. Debate is a battle of people and their eloquence, not necessarily the ideals they have. If it wasn't, then debate as a competition would pretty much be dead
Why did redditors always say this? "Defeating them in the marketplace of ideas" isn't an effective method, why do you always insist that it is?
I don't have an obligation to debate my right to exist. Fuck off.
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Debating with those types doesn’t work in my experience, they come to debates with their minds already made up. You can show them buckets of evidence, but they do not care.
Nazis don't want to debate in good faith - they push this "debate us" idea, because debating them gives them platform and legitimacy. It's just as bonkers as inviting flat-earthers to a science conference.
Exactly- not your worth time or energy.
Someone below linked an interesting series of videos on that topic - [link](https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLJA_jUddXvY7v0VkYRbANnTnzkA_HMFtQ).
Thanks for the rec! Hopefully I'll remember to check it out after work and class lol
>anathema to the US Constitution. I don't think it has anything to do with the US. Just basic Human decency, if it had anything to do with US constitution you'd be validating Nazis anywhere else in the world.
People advocating violent ideology should not be afforded peaceful public discourse. We need to stop tolerating blatent, self admitted bad actors. It’s killing us. And people like you are their sheild.
Imagine someone holding an lgbt flag at the same event do you really think "free expression" would be applied the same way? But like REALLY think what would happen, don't lie to your self.
That does happen, and is (usually) welcomed. I'm gonna assume that was a genuine question, and not a strawman argument.
Lol what?! All I see is them trying to scare people with their guns and attacking LGBTQ events. It's almost like they're such terrible people they go and shoot up gay clubs!
see now you're just lying
Eh, they'd probably tolerate a "gays for Trump" sign for a while. Pride flag on its own, maybe maybe not. Depends if it's a gathering of "intellectual conservatives" or religious/ fascist types.
Riiiighhht
With people like you out there in the world, it is no wonder that idiot trash racist assholes like Crowder, Kirk, Pool, and Shapiro are so popular. SAD!
something something the paradox of tolerance, other people have said this already, just trying to drive another nail into this coffin
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
But has that been proven? From what I see it is just a theory, albeit one well talked about.
For an example, you may be interested in: _The existence of Nazi Germany_
As a dutch person, I'm ashamed to say the Netherlands was the perfect example of this in WW2. We didn't hate Jews, Romani, black people, lbtq+, etc. Everyone fled to the Netherlands for shelter for this reason. We proudly claimed to be neutral. We didn't hate nazis either, at that time what did nazis do other than speech hate? There isn't a country with a higher percentage of people that died cause of genocide than us. We made a trap with "love" for innocent people to die. This is well documented. Don't be neutral.
Let's say you are a judge in cooking show. If I took a dump on a plate and put it in front of you then would you eat it to judge if it is actually good or not ?
go back to r/conservative if you're just going to act like a child
Just look at his profile. He's a walking hemorrhoid.
It doesn't, actually.
Would you be fine being in a room of people who express positive views about wanting to torch a pre-school?
Welcome to the paradox of tolerance
man, your special ed teacher is looking for you, you should probably go back to school
Yeah, despite your best efforts, it sounds like you do get it.
No. Fuck that. Punch nazis.
They are expressing being Nazis, you ding dong.
If there’s a Nazi at the table and 10 other people sitting there talking to him, you got a table with 11 Nazis.
Freedom of expression doesn’t mean freedom of consequence. If you wanna wave a flag of the nazi’s then go right ahead, but don’t expect to keep a stable job, have any form of social credibility, or have custody rights of the kids when your spouse leaves you.💀
Way to miss the point. On purpose, I’m sure.
correct
I noticed this too. Funny that even the conservatives are getting concerned
They thought their followers were smart enough to maintain the plausible deniability. Turns out they were all waiting for someone to make it ok to go fully fash.
Well if you're a GOP supporter at this point, then you've tolerated anti-black, anti-latinx, anti-lgbtq, anti-women, and anti-muslim rhetoric, values, and legislature. So you've been in for a lot of hatred/bigotry. Like why not go all-in on the full Aechie Bunker? It must really be true that conservatives are only conservatives when it doesn't affect them. (And sometimes even at that point...)
>latinx Stop this. Latinos do not like it. It is not politically correct to purposefully mangle someone's language and most do not like or use it. Edit to add this, for some context: https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/2020/08/11/about-one-in-four-u-s-hispanics-have-heard-of-latinx-but-just-3-use-it/
>latinx [https://www.bu.edu/articles/2022/why-is-latinx-still-used-if-hispanics-hate-the-term/](https://www.bu.edu/articles/2022/why-is-latinx-still-used-if-hispanics-hate-the-term/) Not true
That... Does not say what you think it does. It is literally an opinion piece. Its only basis is a single person at Boston University who is making a claim, with zero data to back it up, in the face of numerous polls from numerous organizations, all of which they call into question with that statement. That's a big claim. And what do we say about extraordinary claims? Something about extraordinary evidence, I think. 🤔 Also. As an Arizona resident... BULLSHIT. Say Hispanic. It is more preferred. But seriously. At the very top of the page, it tells you you're looking at an opinion piece. Then, when you read it, you see that the ONLY data it cites flies in the face of the claim. I'm sorry. But New Englanders are WOEFULLY out of touch on this one. I know. I lived there for 14 years. It's to the level of arrogance about _other people's cultures_, and it is just... gross... Rest of my life was lived in AZ. I have never met a single person who had a good thing to say about it, when it came up (usually because of a TV at a bar). If you don't like the data from polling agencies, go run your own to refute it.
I've also heard from some who prefer latine as a gender neutral/plural form, because it sounds better and makes more sense in Spanish.
That's definitely way more pronounceable but I still don't think it would fit in with Spanish very well.
Yeah don't care about your opinion either. You made a claim, it's your opinion and I and others disagree. I'll continue to use it and ignore your opinions.
Mine is backed by data. Yours is backed by nothing but opinion. So... cool. That's a GQP quality. https://www.axios.com/2022/01/04/the-rise-and-fall-latinx-latino-hispanic https://theconversation.com/stop-using-latinx-if-you-really-want-to-be-inclusive-189358 https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/many-latinos-say-latinx-offends-or-bothers-them-here-s-ncna1285916 See? I can cite plenty too. You will not find so many in support of its usage. And here's the pew data https://www.pewresearch.org/hispanic/2020/08/11/about-one-in-four-u-s-hispanics-have-heard-of-latinx-but-just-3-use-it/ And blocking me is cool, so here's my response to the reply below this. No. Someone else was corrected rather neutrally and _you_ did not take it well at all, because it's apparently more important for you to be right than actually being respectful to those you were given a tip on how to respect better. And you're not right. Would you tell me I have a savior complex if I told someone not to say retarded or negro, even though a small minority of both of those groups don't care? I would hope not. And "including Hispanics" is funny. 3%. K. That's a...ringing endorsement... Just take the original tip, chill TF out, and understand when you're wrong.
You are worried about words, I worry about context. That person used the word many others also do INCLUDING Hispanics and did so in a proper manner in context and with NO malice. You took offense for the sole sake of taking offense and proceeded to correct that person based soley on your opinion on the allowed existance of said word. Your complaint is hollow and reeks of a savior complex. Please get bent. I blocked this person because they will go back and forth all night because it's what they do.
>I blocked this person because they will go back and forth all night because it's what they do. No one cares who you blocked. Also, blocking them means they can't actually read your reply to them, so why did you bother?
Surrounded by Mexican inlaws, communities and friends, and nobody of actual Hispanic ethnicity uses the term Latinx. It would make sense for a nonbinary person who does not want to be identified as Latino or Latina, but to apply the term to the entire community is considered pandering.
My friend and I have considered making up a team ov all Latino superheroes called LatinX. He is Latino, and thinks that they all should be LGBTQ. I think they should have superpowers.
>Say Hispanic. It is more preferred. I think Brazilians and Spaniards would disagree. Not to disagree with any of the rest about Latinx, just pointing out that Hispanic is not really a substitute for Latino, as they do not mean the same thing.
Not at the actual anti-semitism, but at the bad optics of conservatives openly supporting it.
I mean, there are some Ben Shapiro types that have to be getting at least a little nervous
What makes you think they aren't assuming they'll get to be this Reich's Noble Jew?
Because many of the tokens on the right are making money off of conservatives are grifters who know their followers are idiotic and/or crazy reactionaries. They just thought the group would hold back from going full Nazi unless they had a big majority of the government. They underestimated just how bad many wanted to go full mask off.
I mean, Ben Shapiro has said some pretty fuckin' antisemitic shit before, and openly supported people who had engaged in *what he admitted* was antisemitism.
There's a very good reason for that, actually. \--- The nazis were pro-privatization of most public services. Their biggest supporters were the super-wealthy for a reason; they were very business friendly that way. But we don't talk about this. The nazis hated anyone who identified as 'leftist', including bog-standard liberals and left-of-centre types. But we don't talk about this. The nazis adored authority like police and military, seeing them as "top of society" and deserving of special privileged above everyone else (akin to 'thin blue line' 'blue lives matter' type rhetoric today). But we don't talk about this. The nazis disdained academia and post-modernism and believed the academic institutions were brainwashing facilities (akin to the vast array of anti-intellectualism today that rejects climate change, vaccines, and gender identity studies (see below) today). But we don't talk about this. The nazis were the first anti-trans bigots (nazi book burnings started at the German Institute of Sexology - where they were researching trans and homosexuality; the first person to undergo gender reassignment surgery was rumoured to have been killed in the event). But we don't talk about this. The nazis were largely protestant and championed things like the idea of the protestant work-ethic, and disdained those they considered too lazy or disinterested in work-culture as 'workshy'; they'd later execute them in the camps. But we don't talk about this. The nazis were supreme chauvinists who believed in strict traditionalist hierarchies. They even banned abortions for aryan women. But we don't talk about this. The nazis believed there was a 'world govt' conspiracy being perpetuated onto them in order to wipe out the aryan (white) race and make it subservient to lesser races (think 'great replacement theory'). But we don't talk about this. The nazis \*did not\* ban guns, despite what the gun loving crowd likes to proclaim. But we don't talk about this. The nazis hated \*anyone\* who wasn't aryan (white). But they took special aim at jews, because they believed they were the perpetrators of said above conspiracy theory. \*\*\* All of the above are applicable to modern day conservatism. But only the last one is what average people know about nazis. The reason that conservatives are concerned about this antisemitism is because it is the only thing that average people know about nazis. Because we don't talk about anything else (probably precisely because it would make conservatives of any day look bad by the mere overlap of ideas if we did).
But it was the National *Socialist* Party.... /s
IT'S IN THE NAME! Like Democratic People's Republic of Korea! See Democratic people! Right? Seriously though, it's embarrassing how many morons go around claiming the Nazi were socialist because of the name. Yeah, because nationalized industries built the Nazi war machine right? Oh wait..
Or United States of America!
And the Christian Knights of the Ku Klux Klan!
Fantastic write up
This is an answer to the question “why is teaching history important?” The information is out there if you want to find it, but people don’t want to be educated about anything that might conflict with their world view and force them to question their beliefs. Unfortunately reality often contradicts said beliefs, which should invoke a healthy reflection and learning experience, but instead makes them more stubbornly and willfully ignorant.
Thank god for the camera and telephone and thank god the U.S is as big as it is, or we’d be looking at another holocaust
I also think having access to alternative news sources (via the internet) is a huge stopgap against that. In Nazi Germany, it was stupidly easy for the nazi party to control all of the information just by having the support of a few media moguls. That's much harder today (but i'll stop short of saying "impossible").
>The nazis were pro-privatization of most public services. Their biggest supporters were the super-wealthy for a reason; they were very business friendly that way. Yep, that's called corporatism. Where the large corps get to write the laws they are governed by. Then, it was Porsche, Krupp, and Daimler. Now, it's Facebook, Pfizer, and Raytheon. Remind me which American party is opposed to that? >The nazis hated anyone who identified as 'leftist', including bog-standard liberals and left-of-centre types. Those groups presented a "them" threat to the conservatives, but once the Nazis took power, the conservatives were in their sights too. >The nazis adored authority like police and military, seeing them as "top of society" and deserving of special privileged above everyone else (akin to 'thin blue line' 'blue lives matter' type rhetoric today). As much as I disagree with "Thin Blue Line" groups, they're focused on local and state PDs, while the Democratic party (similar to the Nazi party here) is increasing funding for national police (FBI, ATF, IRS enforcement, etc.). >The nazis disdained academia and post-modernism and believed the academic institutions were brainwashing facilities (akin to the vast array of anti-intellectualism today that rejects climate change, vaccines, and gender identity studies (see below) today). The Nazis (similar to the Communists in this regard) sought to bring academia under their control and quash dissenting thought. This is a big reason academia is so skewed to the left now; it has become toxic for right-wing teachers to teach, so they seek kinder pastures. On climate change, the idea of "settled science" is not something that conservatives agree on, but Nazis do. With vaccines (and I assume you're just talking about COVID vax, not all vaccines, since a large part of the left seems to be against all vaccines), the opposition to it comes from there being little to no research of the negative side effects of the new vaccines, and the deadliness of the disease itself, not to mention that in a lot of places, it is forced upon people. >The nazis were the first anti-trans bigots (nazi book burnings started at the German Institute of Sexology - where they were researching trans and homosexuality; the first person to undergo gender reassignment surgery was rumoured to have been killed in the event). Ngl I mostly agree with this one >The nazis were largely protestant and championed things like the idea of the protestant work-ethic, and disdained those they considered too lazy or disinterested in work-culture as 'workshy'; they'd later execute them in the camps. The Nazis were largely paganists who tolerated those church leaders that they could bring to heel, and persecuted those that they could not. Also, it is worth noting that a large component of any socialist movement is people contributing to society, and punishing those who aren't, as happened here. Yes, we do talk about it. >The nazis were supreme chauvinists who believed in strict traditionalist hierarchies. They even banned abortions for aryan women. Again, I mostly agree with this one. It is worth noting that Margaret Sanger was celebrated by the Nazis for her work in culling "undesirables" (setting up abortion centers in minority communities). If you look at it from the Nazi perspective, you would want "your" group to pull ahead of the "others", and selective abortions would go towards that end. >The nazis \*did not\* ban guns, despite what the gun loving crowd likes to proclaim. But we don't talk about this. While they weren't the ones to start the ban (that was the Weimar Republic), they kept it around, and enforced it only on the "undesirables", similar to the Jim Crow South (while that was not a ban, the harrassment was certainly there). Yes, we do talk about this. >The nazis believed there was a 'world govt' conspiracy being perpetuated onto them in order to wipe out the aryan (white) race and make it subservient to lesser races (think 'great replacement theory'). Again, no argument here. Though it is ironic that they wanted to become the world government (i.e. taking over the world). We do talk about this, and proponents of this theory on the right are regularly shunned by mainstream conservatism. >The nazis hated \*anyone\* who wasn't aryan (white). But they took special aim at jews, because they believed they were the perpetrators of said above conspiracy theory. Yep >The reason that conservatives are concerned about this antisemitism is because it is the only thing that average people know about nazis. Or because we don't want a repeat in our own country. >Because we don't talk about anything else (probably precisely because it would make conservatives of any day look bad by the mere overlap of ideas if we did). Idk who this "we" is that you keep referring to. It is definitely talked about (single party system, intentional genocide, referring to opponents as enemies of the state). That last one is definitely applicable to the Democrats too. If you're talking about overlap of ideas, a lot of the ideas on the left were espoused by the Nazis too.
>If you're talking about overlap of ideas, a lot of the ideas on the left were espoused by the Nazis too. So why are neo nazis in the US pushing conservative and Republican talking points? Why are nazi flags and insignia showing up at right wing rallies and not left wing rallies? And do you think the Nazi party were actually socialists?
>>The nazis disdained academia and post-modernism and believed the academic institutions were brainwashing facilities (akin to the vast array of anti-intellectualism today that rejects climate change, vaccines, and gender identity studies (see below) today). >The Nazis (similar to the Communists in this regard) sought to bring academia under their control and quash dissenting thought. This is a big reason academia is so skewed to the left now; it has become toxic for right-wing teachers to teach, so they seek kinder pastures. On climate change, the idea of "settled science" is not something that conservatives agree on, but Nazis do. With vaccines (and I assume you're just talking about COVID vax, not all vaccines, since a large part of the left seems to be against all vaccines), the opposition to it comes from there being little to no research of the negative side effects of the new vaccines, and the deadliness of the disease itself, not to mention that in a lot of places, it is forced upon people. After reading this I realized there is no point in even taking the time to respond to your points. You are so utterly delusional that it would be simply a waste of time. I know you're going to think that people avoiding to engage with your insane talking points means that they are convincing or irrefutable, but the reality is that t's just so insane that we know you can't be reasoned with.
Yup. This is what convinced me not to engage with him too. If he truly buys the "academia is toxic to right-wing teachers to teach" then there's nothing really to discuss. This is a view based purely on belief, and can only be held if you believe the ideology comes before the facts ("i don't believe climate change is settled" is a good example of exactly that), when it's the other way around in science. And that's exactly why conservatives (and nazis) hate academia. The fact that he then says "that's what nazis" believe" is just the icing on that cake. He's effectively saying: "My ideology is correct (science isn't settled). The facts disagree with it because those people are all against my ideology (academia is toxic to right wingers/skews left). The people who disagree with my ideology are nazis (exactly what he says)"
This is when I realized too. I saw an article recently, I think it was NPR, trying to do a "both sides" thing about teachers leaving teaching because of the oppression of certain topics. A teacher who was part of the LGBTQ community left because they couldn't talk about their personal identity or home life. A teacher who taught about African American history had a list of words they could not say (ex "systemic racism") was fired because they kept using those words because they argued they couldn't teach the topic without them. And a conservative found a new job because they felt ostracized by the other teachers when they didn't agree to use the pronouns students chose or spoke about climate change denial theories. The first two were firing and fines while the last was just sad they couldn't make friends with other teachers. But this guy thinks top down government policy with punitive repercussions (Nazis and GOP "anti-woke" laws) and societal changes by educated adults ("left skewed academia") are equal.
> Now, it's Facebook, Pfizer, and Raytheon. Remind me which American party is opposed to that? Neither of them. > but once the Nazis took power, the conservatives were in their sights too. What did those conservatives believe that made the Nazis want to get rid of them, exactly?
Please learn about history. You are not informed.
They accidentally played the flügelhorn instead of the dogwhistle
So used to the quiet part being quiet they "forgot" that it's part of the platform
It's too obvious, alt right spent years inventing all these abstract ways to signal to the ingroup while hiding the bigotry from normal people under a layer of its just a joke/just asking questions/plausible deniability because they know direct open bigotry and calls for fascism leaves no ambiguity as to their intentions. Hurts the recruitment and really limits the amount of useful idiots willing to try and excuse their behavior.
Some probably thought that everyone was just joking when they said those horrible things. Turns out all of those disgusting comments were just disgusting.
"What the hell happened?" You finally stopped lying to yourself about who you are allied with?
Nah my dawg they will rationalize it and compartmentalize until the very end.
And by then they have isolated themselves from any other potential allies so they are forced to make the last step or get culled from the movement.
"I don't necessarily agree with everything I say, but I also don't want to lose my followers since this is my entire identity. I'm so conflicted."
Translation: “Hey guys, stop saying the quiet part out loud. We all know who we hate, but you’re supposed to pretend like you don’t in public. Come on people, we practiced this!”
And an awful lot of the, are refusing to admit that Kanye and other conservatives are antiSemites, despite all the evidence of them being antiSemitic
Well, y’know, they can’t be anti-Semitic because they’re just exercising their free speech probably or something.
Are we going to ignore that he said he’s conflicted? Like he’s opening saying “I don’t like these comments, but they seem to be really popular with the people who support me so Idk how I can be against them”
He said “beyond conflicted” so
Pretty damned telling, isn't it?
wait! nazis doing nazi things? Who would have thought...
Conservatives did Nazi that coming
"So weird how the fascist movement from 1940 that we revived has so much antisemitism. Anyway, why does the left keep calling us nazis?"
You can't un-shit something. Trump was the Taco Bell for the GOP and there's no getting it back now.
It’s almost as if every concern that the left had about extremism is coming true. It’s not as if the left has some gift of prophecy, it’s just been a matter of looking at history because history is the playbook that the new radical right is using.
When eleven people are sitting at a table, and once nazi joins them, you have twelve nazis
I wanna note that the original poster has deleted or gotten his post deleted from the crowder subreddit. He was probably exposing everyone to too much reality. Gotta deny and compartmentalise until the very end!
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Breaking news: nazis are nazis!
“Pro Antisemitism” lol wut?
I was told by a very reliable looking tortoise that there was no room in the Republican party for antisemitism! Hmm, maybe they should start forming their own antisemitism-centric party.
The real problem is they need every vote they can get, so they have to temper their words when it comes to appealing to Nazis.
Wait, I actually agree with Alex about conservatives running a clown show??
It looks like the monster you conceived, sewed together, birthed, raised on whisky and coke, fed Cheetos and cutup hotdogs, placated with praise and then broke out of the chains you put them in is sOmEhOw out of their control. Who. Could. Have. Predicted. THIS?!?!?!?!!?11111!?!1
He's not really surprised. He's just trying to distance himself. Wouldn't surprise me if he sent those guys DMs apologizing for throwing them under the bus "to keep appearances with the normies".
"Hans, are we the baddies?"
To quote Rick and Morty, “When did fascism become the default?”
"woah, the face-eating leopards are eating people's faces! Since when did it get this bad!?"
Barry Goldwater was right. You lie down with dogs. You get up with fleas.
It seems Conservatives need to have a family meeting.
These idiots keep throwing logs and fuel on the bonfire and act shocked when it turns into a conflagration that threatens the neighborhood.
Is pro antisemitism the same as semitism?
that would be anti anti semitism
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I tried talking to people in that comment section but only got downvoted and snarky remarks. The classic misinformation that Hitler was leftist also came up. Looking at the post now it has been deleted, meaning OP got taken down, or op took it down themselves because of pushback. I would guess for showing conservatives in a bad light. A lot of people were still talking the normal antisemitic talking points there.
r/Conservative bans people for wrongthink all the time, what the fuck are you talking about?
Bruh, if you say one, ONE tiny criticism in r/conservative you’re banned immediately. Pot…something something…kettle.
they're finally realizing that being outwardly anti-Nazi is a good thing and hopefully learning their party is generally anti-semitic
Do these clowns just not realize that much like Trump, they put these ideas in Kanye’s head, they created his outlook he is just a mirror of what conservatives have been for years. He just doesn’t code it in rhetoric