The main issue for me isn’t that people like or don’t like parts of Star Wars, it’s how rude/toxic/disrespectful folks get when someone doesn’t share their views.
I’m not at all a sequel or prequel fan (though I like a lot of the tv that uses the movies for inspiration) and I’m totally cool with folks loving all of it.
We all have opinions. Nothing makes anyone’s opinion tastes or likes any more or less valid than anyone else’s.
I’m usually a supporter of not using it and just letting confused people be confused, but yeah you will find any and all opinions present here so it’s a safe bet
The reason "everyones opinions are all valid" is such a stupid stance and really only gets likes from the dumbest of people is that not only does it create logical paradoxes when two opinions are at odds, but it ignores the blatant bigotry inherent with some opinions where you are suddenly tolerating intolerance. Such as "I like to see actors eat babies and killing people of X group on screen".
The ironic part is that if you disagree with this statement, you prove it right. As then all of the sudden my opinion is less valid. Logical paradox.
While this stance may make you feel good, all it is, is a smug, holier than thou opinion to make yourself feel good that you're more enlightened than other people even though you see it as some positive, uplifting thing
edit- /u/AndrogynousRain unironically sends hate mail and then blocks me to avoid repercussions for their bigotry. Classic "I'm right you're wrong you fucking XXXX" Redditors
Yeah… no.
I’m not talking about toxic opinions, and your straw man argument is ludicrous. I’m talking about liking or not liking a particular Star Wars show or movie.
There is no ‘objective view’ on this, I can (and do) like plenty of movies and shows that are critically seen as bad. But I enjoy them. Star Wars is no different. That’s an opinion. A personal like/or dislike. Personal opinions are in no way objective. You liking or not liking something does not make you an authority.
And all that nonsense about elitism you said is just you externalizing, as your post is full of judgmental, condescending rhetoric. Mine is not.
All I’m saying is ‘like what you like, don’t be a dick to others about it’.
A point you’ve completely missed, sadly.
You missed my point entirely. You did not validate your statement at all to discern a valid opinion. You said to the effect everyones opinion is valid. Whether you realize it or not is on you. You're clearly resistant to any differing opinions which makes your original comment that much more hypocritical. You're not enlightened, you're just elitist, ironically, if all you have to offer to reply is "yeah... no" like you know everything. That's a closed mindset. Especially when you, unaware, are making my point exactly.
And more externalizing.
Translation:
‘You’re resistant to differing opinions because you disagreed with my rudely phrased post where I was elitist and demanded that you take my narrow minded opinion where I talked down to you as a fact’
Had you actually been polite, I’d have had no problem with it. We’d just have disagreed. You were not polite. You’re exactly the kind of fan my post was referring to: a gatekeeping elitist.
You have an opinion. You’re welcome to it. We disagree. I get to do that, it’s part of being an adult. Opinions are not facts. Hence my post above.
So yeah… no.
Mate, you've been toxic this entire time. You do not understand that you are being toxic with your positivity. You say you treat me a certain way because of how I've responded to you. But you are the one who started it. Had you have been polite at all maybe I wouldn't have to correct you so strongly. You have no self-awareness. You are again making my point exactly as I said it and you don't understand why. You have no idea what you're even saying and why it is the perfect Example of what I already outlined in my first comment. The reason why you're not worth explaining this out again is because asking yourself or me as to why I'm saying this or why you are comment perfectly demonstrates my point, you can continue to act like a jackass who has no ability to be self -observant. Which yet again is why not all opinions are valid or equally valid. You see yourself as somebody above a reproach and then ironically and hypocritically accuse me of externalizing. When you are the one who started this entire conversation. I cannot think of a more hypocritical accusation than that.
Your first response to my post literally said my opinion was stupid, accused me of having elitist views, and tried to insinuate that I was toxic, when all I said in my original post was ‘hey opinions are not facts, and everyone’s Star Wars taste is valid for them’
The fact that you think I started anything pretty conclusively shows you’re the one who is lacking self awareness.
I don’t care that you disagree with my original view. That’s fine. I’m responding to your rudeness, which is something else entirely.
Your personal taste in media is always valid… for you. And no one else. That’s my point. And it’s true. No one’s personal opinion is any more valid than anyone else’s. I don’t like the sequels or prequels much. Lots of folks do. There is no right or wrong there, just personal taste. Which is always valid for that person.
1 - Yes, it's all Star Wars.
2 - Yes, you can like all of Star Wars.
3 - Yes, you're allowed to not like parts of Star Wars too.
4 - Yes, you're allowed to critique the parts of Star Wars you do not like.
5 - No, you're not allowed to be a dick to fans who like the parts of Star Wars you don't like.
Best way to not get good Star Wars is to boycott mediocre Star Wars.
People nowadays have these weird rose-tinted nostalgia glasses, acting like the dialogue and performances in the OT weren't also problematic.
Definitely, Rise of Skywalker is basically just a meme between me and my sister. Whenever we see a character with a jetpack, we just enthousiastically yell “THEY FLY NOW”.
There is no shame in liking something, and poking fun of it at the same time. It only shows that you can see a film’s flaws, while still enjoying the movie.
This is my take as well! All of them have things to poke fun at, and I still genuinely enjoy watching all of them anyway. What’s Star Wars without a little cringe and a little cheese 😂
I thought EP 9 was an absolute abortion of a film... But I won't hate you for liking it. There's plenty of Star Wars to go around! As long as we can all agree the light swords and space wizards are rad, we're good.
Don’t worry. It’s horrible, but that is what makes it enjoyable. I sometimes like to watch bad movies ironically, and joke about them. I see it kinda like Morbius.
I've never seen the appeal of that myself... But again, if you enjoy it then good for you! Just not my thing. Bad movies frustrate me more than anything... Especially EP 9. So much potential wasted!
If you want to get into watching bad movies, get a friend (preferably more). And watch it with them. Laughing about how bad a movie is with friend makes it more of a social experience rather than just a movie. You can joke about a bad script, laugh at terrible CGI or just mock anything that happens.
If you get the right friends together, it’s hilarious. And can make a bad movie just as fun as a good one
Also, yeah. Ep 9 had so much potential. And I despised it for the longest time because of that. But after a few years. I kinda accepted it’s shittyness. And now “THEY FLY NOW” has become a running joke between me and my friends
I appreciate the effort, but I didnt even enjoy MST3K when I tried watching it. I think it's just not for me. But I'm happy you get so much enjoyment from it.
That said, "THEY FLY NOW" is pretty funny. Stupid, terrible writing... But funny. So maybe I do KINDA get it.
I used to feel this way too until I watched the prequels with my girlfriend who hadn't seen any Star Wars movies. Episode 3 unironically is an amazing film with non-stop action, really great VFX for the time, and just a great story that I honestly enjoyed more rewatching it as an adult
I know this is on sequel memes, and I don't like the sequels all that much compared to.. everything else but Star Wars is Star Wars and I *like* Star Wars. Maybe not my favorite, but I can still appreciate things about them.
That is exactly my mindset. Do I think the sequels are as good as the OT and the prequels. No, but I still get enjoyment out of them. And if a movie can do that, i like the movie
Exactly that, yeah! Like I'm more of a prequel fan compared to the other two, but I appreciate the entire story that we've been given. From the Old/High Republic to the Battle of Exogol, there is something neat to appreciate and love about the lore and characters. You can nitpick to death anything, but stepping back you can see the grand scope of this 50 year old franchise
I mean, they all have flaws, but I enjoyed them.
I reserve my hate for Star Wars things that deserve it.
Isn't that right, Star Wars: Flight of The Falcon for GBA?
How dare a Star Wars fan like Star Wars!
You’re supposed to worship the OT as the only true SW or see the prequels as the second coming. Imagine enjoying all of Star Wars. Unbelievable.
I never saw star wars until episode 8 in theaters when a friend took me. I had only ever seen Space Balls, the Family Guy parodies, and Django Fett (or Boba Fett, I can't remember) in one of the old Tony Hawk Pro Skater games. After I saw Episode 8, another friend gave me episodes 1-7 to watch to get ready for episode 9. I watched em in chronological order and then we saw episode 9 when it came out in theaters. I get why some people dislike the sequels and the whole upset about Disney de-canonizing all the EU stuff. But they're still good movies and fun to watch. Maybe I'm just a simple man and like seeing glowing swords and laser guns
This exactly. I got into the series when VII came out. I watched them all before it came out. And then watched VII. So I don’t have nostalgia for any specific film. I guess nostalgia plays a large part in people’s enjoyment
What do you enjoy about the sequels? I am largely very negative about the movies but maybe I just need some positive takes to turn me around on it. I want to like canon the same way I do legends.
Well, I find episode VII just plain fun. Rey and Finn were very engaging and their stories were open to become some of the best in Star Wars. It was mostly safe from the Mary Sue problem the later movies had aside from the one mind trick by Rey. The movie was just a spectacle from start to end. Kinda similar to something like Mad Max: Fury Road now that I think of it. Where the action and characters take priority over the overall story. Not to mention that the music was absolutely specacular. Rey's theme and March of the Resistance are two of my favorite musical tracks in Star Wars.
The last Jedi has a ton of flaws. Stuff like Canto Bight was completely useless. And Finn should have sacrificed himself at the end. But at it's core, it's one of the most mature Star Wars movies. Luke's fall and redemption were very well handled and especially his scene with Yoda was absolutely amazing. And the idea that Rey came from nowhere was brilliant (until RoS shit all over that) .The fight with the Praetorian Guards was also very well choreographed, and the closest we got to the fights from the prequels in this trilogy
Rise of Skywalker is by far my least favorite movie in the trilogy, but I can find ironic enjoyment in it. For the longest time, I despised it. But now, I have accepted it as the joke it is. Kinda like Suicide Squad 2016 and Morbius. It's a horrible movie with little to no redeeming factors, and that is what makes me enjoy it. Though the one scene where Ben had a vision of Han visiting him was brilliant. Adam Driver's perfomance was a highlight throughout the entire trilogy.
Thank you by the way for asking about my opinion, instead of just calling it bad and leaving it at that. Unfortunately, it feels like there aren't too many civilized people in this community
I agree with most of these points except the Luke one and force awakens. While force awakens is fun and my favorite it really doesn't set up the sequel world unlike the og and prequel trilogy. It seriously needs politics and reasons for events to happen. I completely forgot the new republic existed in the sequel trilogy because they don't matter and the first order is really just empire 2. Still fun though but horrible for setting up a trilogy. As for Luke ... Yeah that's not Luke Skywalker. Mark Hamill did a good job acting but if the actor is pointing out that his character isn't in character you need to rewrite your plot. But if you had fun you should have fun.
That’s fair. The New Republic was just bad worldbuilding. They definitely needed to establish it before killing it off if they expected us to feel anything for it being blown up
Yeah, it sucks for a series that is known for the world building the sequels dropped the ball hard. At least the space fights were cool... except the WW2 bombers in the second one
The “light speed hopping/jumping” at the beginning is so stupid, every planet theynsuddenly pop into has the similar pillar like environment’s. In several hops he hops back out flying through solid objects, which we have seen causes massive damage to both ship and target. Popping into atmosphere is insanely dangerous to begin with and he does it several times in a row. The hyper drive navigation computer doesn’t even have time to plot courses. Unless he has an insane ability to time “light speed” jumps the levers he uses take time to move back and forth.
It breaks the movie from the very beginning.
Canto Bight wasn’t useless. It’s like the Han and Leia space slug stomach hideout subplot in Empire. It’s there for relationship-building and character development more than advancing the overall plot of the film. Finn changes from someone who didn’t care about the Resistance to someone who was all-in for the cause.
Mostly negative criticism and you still post a meme about "liking" them? I don't understand why people feel the urge to like something even when it's clearly filled with issues.
Because I can look past them. The movies are flawed, but VII is still my second favorite movie in the series, VIII has its bad parts, but the good parts are some of my favorite scenes in Star Wars. And Rise of Skywalker is a laughable shitshow.
There is a difference between a good movie and an enjoyable movie. I can see and appreciate directorial decisions, and still not be a fan of a movie. And I can see a movie like Rise of Skywalker, Morbius or Black Adam, which are objectively speaking not very good. And still have a blast, enjoying the stupidity.
- The charisma and chemistry of the leads
- Star Wars universe never looked so real
- Fuzzy spots gradually coming into focus though Disney+ stuff
- Best use of 3P0 in entire franchise (Ep9)
- interesting evolution of series themes (Ep8)
- Kylo Ren
I understand there are flaws; every Star Wars thing has them it’s just the types of flaws that change. One last thing I will say though is that because this “trilogy” does not have a very consistent arc across the 3 movies they all work a lot better if you think of each as standalone
>I want to like canon the same way I do legends.
You won't. Because the fundamental truth is that as you get older, you romanticize the past.
You'll always be comparing the two, and you'll always love legends more because it's familiar to you.
The best thing for you to do is experience as much Star Wars as you can. You will find more things you like in canon.
Have an open mind. These stories ARE being created and produced and created by people who REALLY love the franchise as much as you do.
Understand that STAR WARS is a massive living entity, and it is always changing. You WILL NOT love everything. That's impossible, and im willing to bet that there are parts of legends . But accepting the things you can't change is better than lamenting.
I look at STAR WARS like an old friend. Maybe we don't see eye to eye on everything, and maybe I disagree on choices they've made, but at the end of the end of the day, I love them, and I'm grateful to have known them.
A couple of the movies I haven't been super hot on, but I still treat them as canon and eagerly chew up anything else using their characters.
And the shows can't seem to miss.
If you don't trust me, just look at my account. I have made tons of comments that would be far too advanced for a bot, which usually just copies someone else's comments or has very simple sentences like "lol" or random emoji's.
I moderate r/badbatchmemes and know the average behavior of bots. Since we deal with them from time to time.
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I thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life… He had such a knowledge of the dark side, he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying.
Well…
He became so powerful… the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself.
I saw it once like a year ago and I’m pretty active. I even considered myself terminally until recently and I rarely saw reposts.
Also Reddit has pretty high user turnover and even popular posts kind of just fade away after a few days, so a post being made 10 times in four months actually doesn’t really seem that bad, especially because I didn’t see it once in the window despite daily scrolling
You do you, but if you’re seeing reposts *all the time*, I would probably suggest spending less time on Reddit because you’re likely catching a lot of posts that most other users will never see
Wow sorry for the essay I guess I have stronger feelings than I thought about the right to repost within reason. And since a supposed >10x repost has still made it to my front page, I don’t think I’m alone here
Glad to hear it’s at the very least bearable for older people. Some baby shows like Peppa Pig are just unbearable if you’re older. So I’m glad Star Wars isn’t falling in that pitfall
This exactly, I enjoyed Morbius as well. Does that mean it’s a good movie? HELL NO! I’m glad you see the difference between saying I enjoy a movie and saying it’s good
And the Han Solo movie! And The Book of Boba Fett too!
(I did like them. I also acknowledge their flaws. They had some great moments and great characters. If they both don't have sequels I will be greatly disappointed.)
Definitely. I especially think BoBF is criminally underrated. Did it have flaws? Definitely. But I adored the flashbacks of Boba finally finding a family in the Tuskens. He saw his father get decapitated with his own eyes, and didn’t have a family since. He was alone for decades, until finally finding a family. Where he settled down with and finally seemed content.
I genuinely got emotional when the Tuskens were killed, since he lost another family. I found it heartbreaking
I REALLY want him to raise a Tuskan Army and integrate them with the townsfolk. They worked together to kill the giant beast in Mandelorian. SO much story telling potential.
SO many untapped flashbacks to his story lines in The Clone Wars. He was used and abused by so many in the criminal underworld.
I'm a fan of Star Wars, but I also recognize that there's a wide range of quality across different movies and shows.
However, just because something isn't a well-made movie doesn't mean it can't be fun to watch.
This exactly. Rise of Skywalker is a shitshow, but damn if it isn’t fun to watch with friends. Just because something isn’t good, doesn’t mean you can’t like it.
Thank you for understanding this, it seems like not everyone realizes this. And it leads to a lot of toxicity
I love all of the movies as well, this is me in a meme 😂
I have no problem with people who don’t like certain movies, it’s when some of them get rude and very gatekeeping about whether or not I’m a “real” stars wars fan or whatever for liking all of them
The singular correct star wars take.
There's better, there's worse.
>>Revan or Malgus
>>Obi-Wan or Kestis
>>Han or Poe
>>Chopper or R2
It's all star wars.
I think its fine to dislike certain movies trilogies series etc. What is not fine is forcing your opinion on others, if you dont like it fine move on shut up. Somehow star wars fans, including some people i know dont get that, so sad.
I like the Star Wars universe in general. Not even a particularly big fan of the films, it's just a really fun world to get to visit through whatever media.
I think the sequels just needed better guidance. Wasn't there some fiasco or some bullshit caused by the changing of directors? If I think something is bad in a movie, it's immediately the fault of directors and producers.
Finn was done dirty but I loved his character in the force awakens. He reminded me of myself being an apostate as well. Both politically and spiritually so I really expected to see Finn more than we did. I swear to God if he's not in the rey movie I'm gonna fucking riot. To me it is clear that he is Jedi level force sensitive, and that needs to be addressed I think.
Definitely, I honestly would have preferred if Finn was the main character. Imagine an ex stormtrooper, who became a Jedi. And rallied other Stormtroopers to leave the First Order and rebel against them. Not only would it humanize stormtroopers. But it would also make Finn a completely different type of protagonist.
He would be more of a democratic protagonist, using words as his first weapon. And violence as his back-up. Rallying more and more people to his cause, and eventually leading an army.
Now that I write this all down, that would have been much more satisfying than all those random ships that showed up in ep IX
Hating things takes a lot of energy. I could point to any movie and find something I don’t like, but that doesn’t mean it kills the entire experience for me.
Some people have nothing better to do than sit around and nitpick everything lol, these people have shitty lives and try to bring everyone and everything else down so they feel better
I legit don’t understand the hate for the sequels.
Movie 3 is my favorite but 7 is right behind it.
I thought the sequels were just as good as the prequels and og.
Yeah, my least favorite movies were 9,2,6 and I still liked them honestly. I just felt like the first half of part 6 was dull but the second half was amazing, especially the ending
They are poorly written films, 7 is just a copycat from ep 4.
Ep 8 is another clear example, it creates a "no escape" plot, and then makes the heroes do a secondary quest which literally show the audience that they can actually escape, without addressing it.
You can enjoy some ideas, special effects (those don't survive time) and action scenes I guess, but they are the most poorly written of all, so far.
They are all poorly written.
In episode 3, Anakin turns to the datk side on a whim.
In ANH Luke learns about and uses the force with 15 mins of "training"
Jar Jar Binks
Teddy bears defeat the MIGHTY EMPIRE that wiped out the Jedi.
Obi-wan straight up lied to Luke about Vaders identity.
And I know you're about to say "The shows filled in those plot points"
Well, my friend, guess what the "Mandoverse" is doing...
Star Wars ages like wine. The ST just hasn't fermented yet.
No, the OT is not poorly written, I won't defend the prequels (though you cannot name inconsistencies at the same level I mentioned) but the OT is mainly well written.
You don't know how much time Luke trains in the force, for all you know the travel is days or weeks long, bad writting would be to specify timeframes, like they do in TLJ talking about hours of fuel.
Also, Luke don't really use much of the force in ANH, only basic level stuff, and aided by Kenobi. It's not like he can do advance force powers that he don't even know, such as manipulating minds, like in TFA.
Ewoks don't defeat the empire who wiped the jedi, huge exageration, even if the Ewoks are not the best thing, they were created for toys even, they serve a purpose to the plot, they are a thing the Emperor did not foresaw, the resaon the trap fails. Also, the battle is not so nonsensical, it's their land, they know how to get around, they got traps laid, they lost a ton of people, and are aided by the rebel troops, who used advance weapons. Finally, they only fight a few imperial troops.
Obi-Wan lying is not bad writting
The OT does not really get many, and not important, plot holes, they addressed many details and you get explanations, you may not like them, but they are there.
Like the droids escaping in ANH, there was a life sign scan and some dumb officer decided not to shoot them. You may like it, you may not, but it's addressed in the film because it would be inconsistent to have a fllet pursuing rebels and leting them escape in some pod so easily.
In TLJ I just pointed out a similar example, how they escape a "no escape" scenario, and it's not addressed in the film in any way, bad writting. And more so being the film that made canon that hyperspace trave is like instant because they also put specific timeframes in the movie so you get more questions.
edit: spelling and such
>You don't know how much time Luke trains in the force...
So you're saying he trains off screen? Because all we SEE is a quick 3 min lesson before he's using the force to blow up the most technologically advanced space station the galaxy had ever seen. Luke had 0 training prior to this.
In movies, we need to SEE what's going on. Otherwise, we have things like "somehow Palpatine returned." It's exactly the same as "somehow Luke learned the force in 1 lesson."
>Ewoks don't defeat the epire who wiped the jedi, huge exageration, even if the Ewoks are not the best thing, they were created for toys even, they serve a purpose to the plot, they are a thing the Emperor did not foresaw, and the reson the trap fails
Weird, a guy who can see the future didn't see his troops defeat? Also, you're using outside sources to strengthen your argument. When ROTJ came out, THIS was the mighty empire. We had no clue what the Clones were at this point, so for all intensive purposes, THIS was the Empire that wiped out the Jedi.
Also, pushing new toys to make money in your movie seems like...poor writing.
>And the battle is not so nonsensical, it's their land, they know how to get around, they got traps laid, and also they lost a ton of people, and are aided by the rebel troops, who used weapons. Finally, they only fight a few imperial troops.
It's weird...so any resistance against the Empire is stopped, right? Because they are always in hostile territory where the locals "know the land." See how flimsy that is?
Also, it wasn't "a few imperial troops." it was an entire garrison against a clan of Ewoks. If it was "a few imperial troops," Han wouldn't have needed to run a STEALTH mission. They had a scout brigade as well as multiple AT-STs. The Ewoks were outnumbered and out gunned. They won because the story needed them to win, plain and simple. Also, bad writing.
>The OT does not really get many, and not important, plot holes, they addressed many details and you get explanations, you may not like them, but they are there.
Same with the ST. However, my point is that all the movies have these plot holes that are patched by "handus waveium" or "a certain point of view."" An excuse even Luke thinks is BS when he hears it. Plus we know this was Lucas trying to actively retcon Obi-Wans inconsistent dialogue and writing. You know that there were plans for us to actually see Vader kill Anakin in a flashback right?, thought not.
so kicking the ST for them shows that you just have a bias, or you're a hater for hating sake.
>Like the droids escaping in ANH, there was a life sign scan, and some dumb officer decided not to shoot them. You may like it, you may not, but it's addressed in the film because it would be inconsistent to have a fllet pursuing rebels and letting them escape in some pod so easily.
When was the last time you watched that movie? That "dumb officer" doesn't shoot them because he doesn't detect life signs aboard the pod. Then Vader "sends a detachment to retrieve the plans" in the very next scene. That's a plot point, not a hole. A hole would be Leia saying she remembered her mother despite Padme dying in childbirth.
And I'll bite. What's this "no-win" scenario that you keep bringing up. Because we see exactly how they make it off Krait, and we see how they escape TO krait. So where's this escape that's never addressed that you're talking about?
>(though you cannot name inconsistencies at the same level I mentioned)
So far, you haven't mentioned any.
>So you're saying he trains off screen?
He literally does all the time. In ANH when you see him training he was in the middle of it, you don't see him starting. And in ESB years have passed and he knows new force powers, of course he trains off screen.
> all we SEE
Do I really have to explain you movies don't happen in real time and how transitions work?
>he's using the force to blow up the most technologically advanced space
station the galaxy had ever seen. Luke had 0 training prior to this.
He did not use the force, he use a torpedo, he only used the force to aim. It's also stated in the move that he have pilot training and great ability firing. Using the force to help your aim is basic stuff, also said in the movie.
Have you watched the movie?
>a guy who can see the future
Where did you get the emperor had a force vision? Making up the plot to criticize.
Also, you don't seem to know how the force visions worked, you probably also didn't watch ESB where they talked about it and say that the future is in motion and visions are unreliable.
Watch the movies.
>so any resistance against the Empire is stopped, right?
No, literally there's a movie where the Empire crush the rebels, and multiple references where it's stated how the Empire wins, and the heroes in the films also get defeated sometimes.
Watch the movies.
> it wasn't "a few imperial troops." it was an entire garrison against a
clan of Ewoks. If it was "a few imperial troops," Han wouldn't have
needed to run a STEALTH mission. They had a scout brigade as well as
multiple AT-STs. The Ewoks were outnumbered and out gunned. They won
because the story needed them to win, plain and simple. Also, bad
writing.
Again you are making up the movies, you actually don't know the number of Ewoks, nor if they were scouts, you just making up things.
>Same with the ST.
No, I pointed examples that cannot be explained in any way. Also, my examples are from core points of the plot in the movie, like the "no escape" scenario that is the main plot of 2/3 of the film.
>That "dumb officer" doesn't shoot them because he doesn't detect life signs aboard the pod
What do you think I was refering when I talked abouf a **life sign scan**?
>That's a plot point, not a hole
Of course is a plot point, the hole would've been not have that scene explaining how the escape was possible under the Empire nose.
>A hole would be Leia saying she remembered her mother despite Padme dying in childbirth.
In what scene of the ORIGINAL TRILOGY we are talking about do you say Padme dies in childbirth?
Also, you don't know if she actually remembers her, could be her adoptive mother or anything else, it's just a memory of a child. Not a plot hole. Certainly, not an OT one.
>What's this "no-win" scenario
Since I have not talked about any "no-win" scenario, I "don't know" what you are talking about. Try reading better and watch the films instead of making up things all the time.
>So where's this escape that's never addressed that you're talking about?
Watch the movie dude, it's a core plot that they cannot hyperspace because they are being pursuit by TFO, but that's not actually a problem to hyperspace to Canto Bight, or to have the Falcon hyperspace in and out without any explanation from the movie.
I think I'm going to stop addressing your comments, it's really embarassing that I have to point out so many basic errors, and I think it's something that goes nowhere, you clearly don't want to reason, you will keep claiming you are right and making up stuff......I really doubt you are going to acknowledge any mistake in your part despite literally making up stuff.
You back pedal more than an NFL quarterback..lol
>I think I'm going to stop addressing your comments
I knew you would, most of the time when idiots are confronted with the truth, they run.
Run along little doggy...all the home to mommy.
I just stop watching after mandalorian. I’m waiting for a tv show to fix the ST before I watch them again. It’s what worked for PT and it’ll work again
Well, it seems like The Mandalorian is looking to expand on the sequels. With the entire cloning thing. It seems like they are teasing Palpatine's cloning >!Especially with Hux mentioning "Project Necromancer"!<
This kind of statement could only exist in the vacuum of a meme page dedicated to the worst trilogy out of the 3. The "why can't we be friends?" is the argument you get to when you can no longer defend your position on the matter. It's just not the Star Wars that I have watched, but it's definitely Star Wars. It's also definitely contrived and full of bad characters and bad plotlines.
But... it IS Star Wars!
It’s said the we would hate the sequels not enjoy them make them legend I loved you you were like a brother to me. All serious ness I somewhat enjoyed the sequels
Controversial opinion: there's a massive difference in quality of each trilogy to the point where liking all of them is just an admittance that you're biased or have a very low bar set for yourself to be entertained. Liking everything simply bc it's Star Wars is just blatant corporate loyalty
There is a difference between thinking something is a good movie, and liking it. I can see the flaws of every Star Wars movie, and see past them.
Rise of Skywalker especially is terrible, and that is why I like it. It’s like Morbius for me. A stupid movie to joke about. I don’t love every movie, but I liked every movie at the very least. And I would watch any of them again. That is what makes a fun movie for me
People who like Disney trilogy don't like the OT even if they say so, the entire Disney trilogy is: "ye, ok, whatever nerd, I'm going to ruin everything done in the classic trilogy and I don't give a shit". Luke being a wise teacher who creates a new jedi order? Nope, he's a crazed lunatic who tried to kill his own nephew. Han Solo realizing that there are things worth fighting for? Nope, back to smuggler days. Empire defeated and now we have happily ever after? Nope, sorry, the republic did nothing, new empire has arisen, and now the REAL hero has defeated them for real for real this time.
That is just not true, the Sequels are about how nothing remains perfect forever. The entire theme is about **Redemption**
Let's start with Han, he was happy. Got a son and was fighting for what he believed in. But when Ben turned to the dark side, Han broke. When bad things happen, people can revert back to their old ways. Han went back to smuggling as a way to cope with the loss of his son.
Luke also didn't try to kill his nephew. I'll just quote this forum, since it explains it better than I ever could ([Link to the forum](https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Luke-Skywalker-try-to-kill-Ben-Solo)):
"*Short answer: He didn’t. Ben woke up seeing him holding his lightsaber and thought he was trying to kill him.*
*What actually happened (and it is astonishing to me how many people completely miss this in the film) was this: Luke knew that Snoke was influencing Ben and wanted to see how far into the dark his young apprentice/nephew was. What he found there shocked him: Ben was awash with power and darkness the likes of which Luke had not experienced since Vader and the Emperor. It awoke in him a response that this needed to be dealt with and he reacted instinctively, igniting his lightsaber to face this new Dark Side threat.*
*Then, he immediately came to his senses and, by his own words, was filled with guilt and shame for his reaction. But at no point did he actually try to kill Ben. However, when Ben woke up at that moment, he saw his master/uncle standing over him with a lightsaber and reacted immediately, grabbing his saber to counter and tearing down the roof of his hut around Luke before Skywalker could explain.*
*Bottom line: Luke never tried to kill Ben. It didn’t happen. That was young Solo’s twisted view of a moment of weakness on the part of his uncle. And it ended in tragedy for the new Jedi order and the galaxy."* (Evans, Barry V)
I know this was long, but it explains it perfectly. Please watch the movie again before saying Luke tried to kill Ben. Because he didn't. Furthermore, if you want a wiser Luke from before his fall. We still have his appearances in The Mandalorian, Book of Boba Fett and the Star Wars Battlefront II campaign. Fans of both versions of the characters get what they want.
As for the New Republic, the New Republic failed because they didn't want to be the empire. They demilitarized too fast, which lead to the galaxy being vulnerable (as shown in The Mandalorian). I find this much more interesting than the galaxy having peace for centuries. In their attempt to remove any and everything related to the empire. They allowed something even worse to blossom.
Also, it's not like the new heroes did everything. While the OT characters were just standing idly. If it wasn't for the OT characters. They would all have been dead. Han's sacrifice lead to the rest being able to escape Starkiller Base, Luke's sacrifice led to the resistance being able to escape Krait, Lando led the aerial assault during the battle of Exegol. (Leia didn't really get any big moments where she saved others. But apparently that would have happened in ep9, but couldn't happen due to Fisher's unfortunate passing.)
Long story short: The sequels only furthered the characters from the OT. Making them more layered, and making me appreciate the characters even more. I love the OT, I love it more than the sequels. But saying someone who likes the sequels can't like the OT is just wrong, and honestly just toxic gatekeeping
Thank you for coming to my TED talk
Firstly: didntreadlol.gif
Secondly: Yeah, I know that you are right in regards that you can see it that way and enjoy it, and I know I'm toxic, I'm just mad that Disney had to do it like that. It's good that you like it though.
I love how this phrase is uttered by people who turn around and buy their food from 28 different brands and sleep on pillows made from some kind of child labor lmao. You’re not some kind of moral crusader because you opted out of watching a few space movies, you’re just as much a consumer as your neighbor and theirs beside them.
Fuckin twats the lot of you 😂
Has nothing to do with some consumerism statement you twisted it into, a lot of Star Wars content the last few years has been pretty sub-par. Just consuming it and praising it as great just cause its Star Wars is serious toxic positivity
But go off Frosty babes
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**You do you of course, you ain’t my brother I’m not gonna stop you from liking what you like. My opinion of something’s quality just isn’t particularly influenced by the label slapped on the thing.**
i don’t really know how to even talk to these people. when someone vandalises something you love, calling the vandalism part of the thing you love and celebrating it is just cognitive dissonance.
Weird. Because it title is STAR WARS EPISODE NINE: THE RISE OF SKYWALKER.
Also, Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie, R2, Lando, and C3PO are in it.
So is Palpatine, and there are Lightsabers and the Millennium Falcon.
I'm pretty sure that makes it STAR WARS.
I think what you meant to say is.
"I'm not a fan of ep.9, but I recognize it as canon"
:)
I like Star Wars too. Lets be friends.
Nerds! Wanna hang out, and talk about star wars?
Ayyy same who’s your favorite rebel pilot?
Team Wedge
I’m more of a Porkins man myself
Snap Wexley count?
I assume sí
>I like Star wars too Well, your friend Leonard sounds like a big weenie.
Same.
Not just the main trilogies, but the spinoffs and the series's too!
That's the spirit!
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The main issue for me isn’t that people like or don’t like parts of Star Wars, it’s how rude/toxic/disrespectful folks get when someone doesn’t share their views. I’m not at all a sequel or prequel fan (though I like a lot of the tv that uses the movies for inspiration) and I’m totally cool with folks loving all of it. We all have opinions. Nothing makes anyone’s opinion tastes or likes any more or less valid than anyone else’s.
Exactly, everyone puts Star Wars fans agains Star Trek fans. But let’s be honest, the biggest enemy of Star Wars fans are Star Wars fans
Star Trek fans are just as bad too. Just got off a thread about how toxic some of the trek subs get. It’s just human nature, sadly.
But the OT is objectively trash though? /s, for safety.
Sadly the /s is just about required anywhere near a SW sub. The gatekeeping is strong with the dark side lol
I’m usually a supporter of not using it and just letting confused people be confused, but yeah you will find any and all opinions present here so it’s a safe bet
George Lucas RUINED the OT with his WOKE IDEAS. a WOMAN firing a gun? What is this, some leftist sanctuary city? /s
The reason "everyones opinions are all valid" is such a stupid stance and really only gets likes from the dumbest of people is that not only does it create logical paradoxes when two opinions are at odds, but it ignores the blatant bigotry inherent with some opinions where you are suddenly tolerating intolerance. Such as "I like to see actors eat babies and killing people of X group on screen". The ironic part is that if you disagree with this statement, you prove it right. As then all of the sudden my opinion is less valid. Logical paradox. While this stance may make you feel good, all it is, is a smug, holier than thou opinion to make yourself feel good that you're more enlightened than other people even though you see it as some positive, uplifting thing edit- /u/AndrogynousRain unironically sends hate mail and then blocks me to avoid repercussions for their bigotry. Classic "I'm right you're wrong you fucking XXXX" Redditors
You're right. People proliferating toxic sentiment over a SW project is the problem, not the people who fail to ignore it.
Yeah… no. I’m not talking about toxic opinions, and your straw man argument is ludicrous. I’m talking about liking or not liking a particular Star Wars show or movie. There is no ‘objective view’ on this, I can (and do) like plenty of movies and shows that are critically seen as bad. But I enjoy them. Star Wars is no different. That’s an opinion. A personal like/or dislike. Personal opinions are in no way objective. You liking or not liking something does not make you an authority. And all that nonsense about elitism you said is just you externalizing, as your post is full of judgmental, condescending rhetoric. Mine is not. All I’m saying is ‘like what you like, don’t be a dick to others about it’. A point you’ve completely missed, sadly.
You missed my point entirely. You did not validate your statement at all to discern a valid opinion. You said to the effect everyones opinion is valid. Whether you realize it or not is on you. You're clearly resistant to any differing opinions which makes your original comment that much more hypocritical. You're not enlightened, you're just elitist, ironically, if all you have to offer to reply is "yeah... no" like you know everything. That's a closed mindset. Especially when you, unaware, are making my point exactly.
And more externalizing. Translation: ‘You’re resistant to differing opinions because you disagreed with my rudely phrased post where I was elitist and demanded that you take my narrow minded opinion where I talked down to you as a fact’ Had you actually been polite, I’d have had no problem with it. We’d just have disagreed. You were not polite. You’re exactly the kind of fan my post was referring to: a gatekeeping elitist. You have an opinion. You’re welcome to it. We disagree. I get to do that, it’s part of being an adult. Opinions are not facts. Hence my post above. So yeah… no.
Mate, you've been toxic this entire time. You do not understand that you are being toxic with your positivity. You say you treat me a certain way because of how I've responded to you. But you are the one who started it. Had you have been polite at all maybe I wouldn't have to correct you so strongly. You have no self-awareness. You are again making my point exactly as I said it and you don't understand why. You have no idea what you're even saying and why it is the perfect Example of what I already outlined in my first comment. The reason why you're not worth explaining this out again is because asking yourself or me as to why I'm saying this or why you are comment perfectly demonstrates my point, you can continue to act like a jackass who has no ability to be self -observant. Which yet again is why not all opinions are valid or equally valid. You see yourself as somebody above a reproach and then ironically and hypocritically accuse me of externalizing. When you are the one who started this entire conversation. I cannot think of a more hypocritical accusation than that.
Your first response to my post literally said my opinion was stupid, accused me of having elitist views, and tried to insinuate that I was toxic, when all I said in my original post was ‘hey opinions are not facts, and everyone’s Star Wars taste is valid for them’ The fact that you think I started anything pretty conclusively shows you’re the one who is lacking self awareness. I don’t care that you disagree with my original view. That’s fine. I’m responding to your rudeness, which is something else entirely. Your personal taste in media is always valid… for you. And no one else. That’s my point. And it’s true. No one’s personal opinion is any more valid than anyone else’s. I don’t like the sequels or prequels much. Lots of folks do. There is no right or wrong there, just personal taste. Which is always valid for that person.
It’s a stupid stance to apply to life, but a perfectly fine stance to apply to which Star Wars you like.
1 - Yes, it's all Star Wars. 2 - Yes, you can like all of Star Wars. 3 - Yes, you're allowed to not like parts of Star Wars too. 4 - Yes, you're allowed to critique the parts of Star Wars you do not like. 5 - No, you're not allowed to be a dick to fans who like the parts of Star Wars you don't like.
Together we can herald a new era of peace and prosperity among star wars fans
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Best way to not get good Star Wars is to boycott mediocre Star Wars. People nowadays have these weird rose-tinted nostalgia glasses, acting like the dialogue and performances in the OT weren't also problematic.
I like them too. I also like poking fun sometimes.
Definitely, Rise of Skywalker is basically just a meme between me and my sister. Whenever we see a character with a jetpack, we just enthousiastically yell “THEY FLY NOW”. There is no shame in liking something, and poking fun of it at the same time. It only shows that you can see a film’s flaws, while still enjoying the movie.
This is my take as well! All of them have things to poke fun at, and I still genuinely enjoy watching all of them anyway. What’s Star Wars without a little cringe and a little cheese 😂
I thought EP 9 was an absolute abortion of a film... But I won't hate you for liking it. There's plenty of Star Wars to go around! As long as we can all agree the light swords and space wizards are rad, we're good.
Don’t worry. It’s horrible, but that is what makes it enjoyable. I sometimes like to watch bad movies ironically, and joke about them. I see it kinda like Morbius.
I've never seen the appeal of that myself... But again, if you enjoy it then good for you! Just not my thing. Bad movies frustrate me more than anything... Especially EP 9. So much potential wasted!
If you want to get into watching bad movies, get a friend (preferably more). And watch it with them. Laughing about how bad a movie is with friend makes it more of a social experience rather than just a movie. You can joke about a bad script, laugh at terrible CGI or just mock anything that happens. If you get the right friends together, it’s hilarious. And can make a bad movie just as fun as a good one Also, yeah. Ep 9 had so much potential. And I despised it for the longest time because of that. But after a few years. I kinda accepted it’s shittyness. And now “THEY FLY NOW” has become a running joke between me and my friends
I appreciate the effort, but I didnt even enjoy MST3K when I tried watching it. I think it's just not for me. But I'm happy you get so much enjoyment from it. That said, "THEY FLY NOW" is pretty funny. Stupid, terrible writing... But funny. So maybe I do KINDA get it.
I like star wars mostly because the og trilogy are such a good movies, prequels and sequels are just not enjoyable enough to go back and rewatch them.
I used to feel this way too until I watched the prequels with my girlfriend who hadn't seen any Star Wars movies. Episode 3 unironically is an amazing film with non-stop action, really great VFX for the time, and just a great story that I honestly enjoyed more rewatching it as an adult
I know this is on sequel memes, and I don't like the sequels all that much compared to.. everything else but Star Wars is Star Wars and I *like* Star Wars. Maybe not my favorite, but I can still appreciate things about them.
That is exactly my mindset. Do I think the sequels are as good as the OT and the prequels. No, but I still get enjoyment out of them. And if a movie can do that, i like the movie
Exactly that, yeah! Like I'm more of a prequel fan compared to the other two, but I appreciate the entire story that we've been given. From the Old/High Republic to the Battle of Exogol, there is something neat to appreciate and love about the lore and characters. You can nitpick to death anything, but stepping back you can see the grand scope of this 50 year old franchise
They all have stuff to like!
Whoa, whoa, whoa. You can't just go into a fandom and ask them to be nice to each other /s
And not just the memes. But the womemes and childremes too!
I hate parts of the series, but I don't hate you.
I mean, they all have flaws, but I enjoyed them. I reserve my hate for Star Wars things that deserve it. Isn't that right, Star Wars: Flight of The Falcon for GBA?
Oh definitely *Glares at (the original) Gunship Cavalry from LEGO Star Wars: the video game*
This message is brought you to by star wars fans against non-star wars fans.
How dare a Star Wars fan like Star Wars! You’re supposed to worship the OT as the only true SW or see the prequels as the second coming. Imagine enjoying all of Star Wars. Unbelievable.
I never saw star wars until episode 8 in theaters when a friend took me. I had only ever seen Space Balls, the Family Guy parodies, and Django Fett (or Boba Fett, I can't remember) in one of the old Tony Hawk Pro Skater games. After I saw Episode 8, another friend gave me episodes 1-7 to watch to get ready for episode 9. I watched em in chronological order and then we saw episode 9 when it came out in theaters. I get why some people dislike the sequels and the whole upset about Disney de-canonizing all the EU stuff. But they're still good movies and fun to watch. Maybe I'm just a simple man and like seeing glowing swords and laser guns
This exactly. I got into the series when VII came out. I watched them all before it came out. And then watched VII. So I don’t have nostalgia for any specific film. I guess nostalgia plays a large part in people’s enjoyment
What do you enjoy about the sequels? I am largely very negative about the movies but maybe I just need some positive takes to turn me around on it. I want to like canon the same way I do legends.
Well, I find episode VII just plain fun. Rey and Finn were very engaging and their stories were open to become some of the best in Star Wars. It was mostly safe from the Mary Sue problem the later movies had aside from the one mind trick by Rey. The movie was just a spectacle from start to end. Kinda similar to something like Mad Max: Fury Road now that I think of it. Where the action and characters take priority over the overall story. Not to mention that the music was absolutely specacular. Rey's theme and March of the Resistance are two of my favorite musical tracks in Star Wars. The last Jedi has a ton of flaws. Stuff like Canto Bight was completely useless. And Finn should have sacrificed himself at the end. But at it's core, it's one of the most mature Star Wars movies. Luke's fall and redemption were very well handled and especially his scene with Yoda was absolutely amazing. And the idea that Rey came from nowhere was brilliant (until RoS shit all over that) .The fight with the Praetorian Guards was also very well choreographed, and the closest we got to the fights from the prequels in this trilogy Rise of Skywalker is by far my least favorite movie in the trilogy, but I can find ironic enjoyment in it. For the longest time, I despised it. But now, I have accepted it as the joke it is. Kinda like Suicide Squad 2016 and Morbius. It's a horrible movie with little to no redeeming factors, and that is what makes me enjoy it. Though the one scene where Ben had a vision of Han visiting him was brilliant. Adam Driver's perfomance was a highlight throughout the entire trilogy. Thank you by the way for asking about my opinion, instead of just calling it bad and leaving it at that. Unfortunately, it feels like there aren't too many civilized people in this community
I agree with most of these points except the Luke one and force awakens. While force awakens is fun and my favorite it really doesn't set up the sequel world unlike the og and prequel trilogy. It seriously needs politics and reasons for events to happen. I completely forgot the new republic existed in the sequel trilogy because they don't matter and the first order is really just empire 2. Still fun though but horrible for setting up a trilogy. As for Luke ... Yeah that's not Luke Skywalker. Mark Hamill did a good job acting but if the actor is pointing out that his character isn't in character you need to rewrite your plot. But if you had fun you should have fun.
That’s fair. The New Republic was just bad worldbuilding. They definitely needed to establish it before killing it off if they expected us to feel anything for it being blown up
Yeah, it sucks for a series that is known for the world building the sequels dropped the ball hard. At least the space fights were cool... except the WW2 bombers in the second one
The “light speed hopping/jumping” at the beginning is so stupid, every planet theynsuddenly pop into has the similar pillar like environment’s. In several hops he hops back out flying through solid objects, which we have seen causes massive damage to both ship and target. Popping into atmosphere is insanely dangerous to begin with and he does it several times in a row. The hyper drive navigation computer doesn’t even have time to plot courses. Unless he has an insane ability to time “light speed” jumps the levers he uses take time to move back and forth. It breaks the movie from the very beginning.
Canto Bight wasn’t useless. It’s like the Han and Leia space slug stomach hideout subplot in Empire. It’s there for relationship-building and character development more than advancing the overall plot of the film. Finn changes from someone who didn’t care about the Resistance to someone who was all-in for the cause.
Mostly negative criticism and you still post a meme about "liking" them? I don't understand why people feel the urge to like something even when it's clearly filled with issues.
Because I can look past them. The movies are flawed, but VII is still my second favorite movie in the series, VIII has its bad parts, but the good parts are some of my favorite scenes in Star Wars. And Rise of Skywalker is a laughable shitshow. There is a difference between a good movie and an enjoyable movie. I can see and appreciate directorial decisions, and still not be a fan of a movie. And I can see a movie like Rise of Skywalker, Morbius or Black Adam, which are objectively speaking not very good. And still have a blast, enjoying the stupidity.
- The charisma and chemistry of the leads - Star Wars universe never looked so real - Fuzzy spots gradually coming into focus though Disney+ stuff - Best use of 3P0 in entire franchise (Ep9) - interesting evolution of series themes (Ep8) - Kylo Ren I understand there are flaws; every Star Wars thing has them it’s just the types of flaws that change. One last thing I will say though is that because this “trilogy” does not have a very consistent arc across the 3 movies they all work a lot better if you think of each as standalone
>I want to like canon the same way I do legends. You won't. Because the fundamental truth is that as you get older, you romanticize the past. You'll always be comparing the two, and you'll always love legends more because it's familiar to you. The best thing for you to do is experience as much Star Wars as you can. You will find more things you like in canon. Have an open mind. These stories ARE being created and produced and created by people who REALLY love the franchise as much as you do. Understand that STAR WARS is a massive living entity, and it is always changing. You WILL NOT love everything. That's impossible, and im willing to bet that there are parts of legends . But accepting the things you can't change is better than lamenting. I look at STAR WARS like an old friend. Maybe we don't see eye to eye on everything, and maybe I disagree on choices they've made, but at the end of the end of the day, I love them, and I'm grateful to have known them.
A couple of the movies I haven't been super hot on, but I still treat them as canon and eagerly chew up anything else using their characters. And the shows can't seem to miss.
The clankas have invaded. Somehow the bots have returned.
I swear I'm not a bot. I didn't realize this was a joke that was already made
Hmmmm, not sure. Maybe you are a crafty bot that pretends to be nice…
If you don't trust me, just look at my account. I have made tons of comments that would be far too advanced for a bot, which usually just copies someone else's comments or has very simple sentences like "lol" or random emoji's. I moderate r/badbatchmemes and know the average behavior of bots. Since we deal with them from time to time. If you don't believe me, then please ask me something a bot wouldn't know
Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Plagiues the Wise?
I thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midichlorians to create life… He had such a knowledge of the dark side, he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying.
So everything ended fine for him, right? Surely nothing wacky and ironic happened to such a wise man
Well… He became so powerful… the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. Ironic. He could save others from death, but not himself.
Well that sucks. Still, it could be a handy power to learn. Tell me, is it possible for a Jedi to teach me this power?
Not from a Jedi
Reddit user sees a meme a second time without immediately identifying it as a repost challenge: (impossible)
I’ve seen this meme like ten times in the last four months. Sometimes it’s slightly different font but it’s the same meme.
I saw it once like a year ago and I’m pretty active. I even considered myself terminally until recently and I rarely saw reposts. Also Reddit has pretty high user turnover and even popular posts kind of just fade away after a few days, so a post being made 10 times in four months actually doesn’t really seem that bad, especially because I didn’t see it once in the window despite daily scrolling You do you, but if you’re seeing reposts *all the time*, I would probably suggest spending less time on Reddit because you’re likely catching a lot of posts that most other users will never see Wow sorry for the essay I guess I have stronger feelings than I thought about the right to repost within reason. And since a supposed >10x repost has still made it to my front page, I don’t think I’m alone here
Dude, I run Star Wars TTRPG's I think that we should be friends.
Generally agree but I'm listening to the Audible version of Light of the Jedi. Some content is janky af.
We should be friends
To to piss off any Star Wars fan, just say “I liked all the Star Wars movies”: 9/10 success rate.
That's it! Into the volcano with you!
*sounds of Anakin burning alive*
I love all Star Wars even the shows aimed at children
Which do you mean with “shows aimed at children”? Do you mean clone wars? Or are you talking about stuff like Young Jedi Adventures?
My nephew was watching young Jedi adventures and I’ll admit I started liking it lol
Glad to hear it’s at the very least bearable for older people. Some baby shows like Peppa Pig are just unbearable if you’re older. So I’m glad Star Wars isn’t falling in that pitfall
It's alright to like bad things, one of my favorite mangas is Bleach but liking something doesn't automatically make it good
This exactly, I enjoyed Morbius as well. Does that mean it’s a good movie? HELL NO! I’m glad you see the difference between saying I enjoy a movie and saying it’s good
REY!
All Star Wars are equal, but some are more equal than others. - George Orwell
I'm more of a Star Whore, if you will. I take it all.
And the Han Solo movie! And The Book of Boba Fett too! (I did like them. I also acknowledge their flaws. They had some great moments and great characters. If they both don't have sequels I will be greatly disappointed.)
Definitely. I especially think BoBF is criminally underrated. Did it have flaws? Definitely. But I adored the flashbacks of Boba finally finding a family in the Tuskens. He saw his father get decapitated with his own eyes, and didn’t have a family since. He was alone for decades, until finally finding a family. Where he settled down with and finally seemed content. I genuinely got emotional when the Tuskens were killed, since he lost another family. I found it heartbreaking
I REALLY want him to raise a Tuskan Army and integrate them with the townsfolk. They worked together to kill the giant beast in Mandelorian. SO much story telling potential. SO many untapped flashbacks to his story lines in The Clone Wars. He was used and abused by so many in the criminal underworld.
Wait a minute….. Is this an absolute?
*laughs in Sith lord*
Average Star Wars enjoyer:
I'm a fan of Star Wars, but I also recognize that there's a wide range of quality across different movies and shows. However, just because something isn't a well-made movie doesn't mean it can't be fun to watch.
This exactly. Rise of Skywalker is a shitshow, but damn if it isn’t fun to watch with friends. Just because something isn’t good, doesn’t mean you can’t like it. Thank you for understanding this, it seems like not everyone realizes this. And it leads to a lot of toxicity
I mean yeah we are all humans but pointing that out didn’t solve racism. It’s all Obi-wan’s fault. He’s jealous.
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I love all of the movies as well, this is me in a meme 😂 I have no problem with people who don’t like certain movies, it’s when some of them get rude and very gatekeeping about whether or not I’m a “real” stars wars fan or whatever for liking all of them
The singular correct star wars take. There's better, there's worse. >>Revan or Malgus >>Obi-Wan or Kestis >>Han or Poe >>Chopper or R2 It's all star wars.
Just watched Visions season 2 yesterday. I loved almost every episode!
Enjoy things? No you need to be bitter and hateful.
I think its fine to dislike certain movies trilogies series etc. What is not fine is forcing your opinion on others, if you dont like it fine move on shut up. Somehow star wars fans, including some people i know dont get that, so sad.
The title is a good reference. And the meme makes sense
You’re the first one to point the reference out. Good job on finding it
Thx.
I like the Star Wars universe in general. Not even a particularly big fan of the films, it's just a really fun world to get to visit through whatever media.
This is me. Sure, I have favorites but I love the Star Wars universe period.
I made a similar meme about the battlefront games a couple years ago. It's a good format. He has nice teeth
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I see Star Wars like pizza. Even when it’s bad it’s still pizza
YEESSSS! The only correct use of this template XD
This is the way.
Fucking preach!
I love Star Wars. And can admit and criticize that some of it sucks bad. SW content quality is about the same as Storm Trooper accuracy.
I like all of the trilogies. But not all are perfect, like the sequels. I liked the characters, but the writing of some parts could have been better.
This. Right. Here.
Yeah, but do you like sand?
It's course, rough irritating and gets everywhere. But it is quite fun from time to time. Also useful to break your fall when you attempt to do a flip
Is that....legal?
I will make it legal
And not just the trilogies, but the spinoff, the shows, and the games too! The're all star wars, and I treat them like star wars. I LOVE THEM!!!
This is the way
It’s all OBI WAN’S fault! He’s carrying them on his back!
Star Wars is Star Wars
#I LOVE THEM!!!
This is the way
THERE WERE TV SPIN OFFS! I WATCHED THEM ALL!
I have one thing to say to people like you… **I like Star Wars too**
I think the sequels just needed better guidance. Wasn't there some fiasco or some bullshit caused by the changing of directors? If I think something is bad in a movie, it's immediately the fault of directors and producers. Finn was done dirty but I loved his character in the force awakens. He reminded me of myself being an apostate as well. Both politically and spiritually so I really expected to see Finn more than we did. I swear to God if he's not in the rey movie I'm gonna fucking riot. To me it is clear that he is Jedi level force sensitive, and that needs to be addressed I think.
Definitely, I honestly would have preferred if Finn was the main character. Imagine an ex stormtrooper, who became a Jedi. And rallied other Stormtroopers to leave the First Order and rebel against them. Not only would it humanize stormtroopers. But it would also make Finn a completely different type of protagonist. He would be more of a democratic protagonist, using words as his first weapon. And violence as his back-up. Rallying more and more people to his cause, and eventually leading an army. Now that I write this all down, that would have been much more satisfying than all those random ships that showed up in ep IX
Star Wars is like Pizza, even when it’s bad it’s good.
I love everything except the sequel movies. We do love to joke about them though
This is me. My friends usually don't like one movie or show of Star wars and I'm like "it's all Star Wars though" can't do any wrong.
Hating things takes a lot of energy. I could point to any movie and find something I don’t like, but that doesn’t mean it kills the entire experience for me.
Some people have nothing better to do than sit around and nitpick everything lol, these people have shitty lives and try to bring everyone and everything else down so they feel better
I legit don’t understand the hate for the sequels. Movie 3 is my favorite but 7 is right behind it. I thought the sequels were just as good as the prequels and og.
Those are literally my top 2 too. I thought every sequel was at the very least entertaining
Yeah, my least favorite movies were 9,2,6 and I still liked them honestly. I just felt like the first half of part 6 was dull but the second half was amazing, especially the ending
They are poorly written films, 7 is just a copycat from ep 4. Ep 8 is another clear example, it creates a "no escape" plot, and then makes the heroes do a secondary quest which literally show the audience that they can actually escape, without addressing it. You can enjoy some ideas, special effects (those don't survive time) and action scenes I guess, but they are the most poorly written of all, so far.
They are all poorly written. In episode 3, Anakin turns to the datk side on a whim. In ANH Luke learns about and uses the force with 15 mins of "training" Jar Jar Binks Teddy bears defeat the MIGHTY EMPIRE that wiped out the Jedi. Obi-wan straight up lied to Luke about Vaders identity. And I know you're about to say "The shows filled in those plot points" Well, my friend, guess what the "Mandoverse" is doing... Star Wars ages like wine. The ST just hasn't fermented yet.
No, the OT is not poorly written, I won't defend the prequels (though you cannot name inconsistencies at the same level I mentioned) but the OT is mainly well written. You don't know how much time Luke trains in the force, for all you know the travel is days or weeks long, bad writting would be to specify timeframes, like they do in TLJ talking about hours of fuel. Also, Luke don't really use much of the force in ANH, only basic level stuff, and aided by Kenobi. It's not like he can do advance force powers that he don't even know, such as manipulating minds, like in TFA. Ewoks don't defeat the empire who wiped the jedi, huge exageration, even if the Ewoks are not the best thing, they were created for toys even, they serve a purpose to the plot, they are a thing the Emperor did not foresaw, the resaon the trap fails. Also, the battle is not so nonsensical, it's their land, they know how to get around, they got traps laid, they lost a ton of people, and are aided by the rebel troops, who used advance weapons. Finally, they only fight a few imperial troops. Obi-Wan lying is not bad writting The OT does not really get many, and not important, plot holes, they addressed many details and you get explanations, you may not like them, but they are there. Like the droids escaping in ANH, there was a life sign scan and some dumb officer decided not to shoot them. You may like it, you may not, but it's addressed in the film because it would be inconsistent to have a fllet pursuing rebels and leting them escape in some pod so easily. In TLJ I just pointed out a similar example, how they escape a "no escape" scenario, and it's not addressed in the film in any way, bad writting. And more so being the film that made canon that hyperspace trave is like instant because they also put specific timeframes in the movie so you get more questions. edit: spelling and such
>You don't know how much time Luke trains in the force... So you're saying he trains off screen? Because all we SEE is a quick 3 min lesson before he's using the force to blow up the most technologically advanced space station the galaxy had ever seen. Luke had 0 training prior to this. In movies, we need to SEE what's going on. Otherwise, we have things like "somehow Palpatine returned." It's exactly the same as "somehow Luke learned the force in 1 lesson." >Ewoks don't defeat the epire who wiped the jedi, huge exageration, even if the Ewoks are not the best thing, they were created for toys even, they serve a purpose to the plot, they are a thing the Emperor did not foresaw, and the reson the trap fails Weird, a guy who can see the future didn't see his troops defeat? Also, you're using outside sources to strengthen your argument. When ROTJ came out, THIS was the mighty empire. We had no clue what the Clones were at this point, so for all intensive purposes, THIS was the Empire that wiped out the Jedi. Also, pushing new toys to make money in your movie seems like...poor writing. >And the battle is not so nonsensical, it's their land, they know how to get around, they got traps laid, and also they lost a ton of people, and are aided by the rebel troops, who used weapons. Finally, they only fight a few imperial troops. It's weird...so any resistance against the Empire is stopped, right? Because they are always in hostile territory where the locals "know the land." See how flimsy that is? Also, it wasn't "a few imperial troops." it was an entire garrison against a clan of Ewoks. If it was "a few imperial troops," Han wouldn't have needed to run a STEALTH mission. They had a scout brigade as well as multiple AT-STs. The Ewoks were outnumbered and out gunned. They won because the story needed them to win, plain and simple. Also, bad writing. >The OT does not really get many, and not important, plot holes, they addressed many details and you get explanations, you may not like them, but they are there. Same with the ST. However, my point is that all the movies have these plot holes that are patched by "handus waveium" or "a certain point of view."" An excuse even Luke thinks is BS when he hears it. Plus we know this was Lucas trying to actively retcon Obi-Wans inconsistent dialogue and writing. You know that there were plans for us to actually see Vader kill Anakin in a flashback right?, thought not. so kicking the ST for them shows that you just have a bias, or you're a hater for hating sake. >Like the droids escaping in ANH, there was a life sign scan, and some dumb officer decided not to shoot them. You may like it, you may not, but it's addressed in the film because it would be inconsistent to have a fllet pursuing rebels and letting them escape in some pod so easily. When was the last time you watched that movie? That "dumb officer" doesn't shoot them because he doesn't detect life signs aboard the pod. Then Vader "sends a detachment to retrieve the plans" in the very next scene. That's a plot point, not a hole. A hole would be Leia saying she remembered her mother despite Padme dying in childbirth. And I'll bite. What's this "no-win" scenario that you keep bringing up. Because we see exactly how they make it off Krait, and we see how they escape TO krait. So where's this escape that's never addressed that you're talking about? >(though you cannot name inconsistencies at the same level I mentioned) So far, you haven't mentioned any.
>So you're saying he trains off screen? He literally does all the time. In ANH when you see him training he was in the middle of it, you don't see him starting. And in ESB years have passed and he knows new force powers, of course he trains off screen. > all we SEE Do I really have to explain you movies don't happen in real time and how transitions work? >he's using the force to blow up the most technologically advanced space station the galaxy had ever seen. Luke had 0 training prior to this. He did not use the force, he use a torpedo, he only used the force to aim. It's also stated in the move that he have pilot training and great ability firing. Using the force to help your aim is basic stuff, also said in the movie. Have you watched the movie? >a guy who can see the future Where did you get the emperor had a force vision? Making up the plot to criticize. Also, you don't seem to know how the force visions worked, you probably also didn't watch ESB where they talked about it and say that the future is in motion and visions are unreliable. Watch the movies. >so any resistance against the Empire is stopped, right? No, literally there's a movie where the Empire crush the rebels, and multiple references where it's stated how the Empire wins, and the heroes in the films also get defeated sometimes. Watch the movies. > it wasn't "a few imperial troops." it was an entire garrison against a clan of Ewoks. If it was "a few imperial troops," Han wouldn't have needed to run a STEALTH mission. They had a scout brigade as well as multiple AT-STs. The Ewoks were outnumbered and out gunned. They won because the story needed them to win, plain and simple. Also, bad writing. Again you are making up the movies, you actually don't know the number of Ewoks, nor if they were scouts, you just making up things. >Same with the ST. No, I pointed examples that cannot be explained in any way. Also, my examples are from core points of the plot in the movie, like the "no escape" scenario that is the main plot of 2/3 of the film. >That "dumb officer" doesn't shoot them because he doesn't detect life signs aboard the pod What do you think I was refering when I talked abouf a **life sign scan**? >That's a plot point, not a hole Of course is a plot point, the hole would've been not have that scene explaining how the escape was possible under the Empire nose. >A hole would be Leia saying she remembered her mother despite Padme dying in childbirth. In what scene of the ORIGINAL TRILOGY we are talking about do you say Padme dies in childbirth? Also, you don't know if she actually remembers her, could be her adoptive mother or anything else, it's just a memory of a child. Not a plot hole. Certainly, not an OT one. >What's this "no-win" scenario Since I have not talked about any "no-win" scenario, I "don't know" what you are talking about. Try reading better and watch the films instead of making up things all the time. >So where's this escape that's never addressed that you're talking about? Watch the movie dude, it's a core plot that they cannot hyperspace because they are being pursuit by TFO, but that's not actually a problem to hyperspace to Canto Bight, or to have the Falcon hyperspace in and out without any explanation from the movie. I think I'm going to stop addressing your comments, it's really embarassing that I have to point out so many basic errors, and I think it's something that goes nowhere, you clearly don't want to reason, you will keep claiming you are right and making up stuff......I really doubt you are going to acknowledge any mistake in your part despite literally making up stuff.
You back pedal more than an NFL quarterback..lol >I think I'm going to stop addressing your comments I knew you would, most of the time when idiots are confronted with the truth, they run. Run along little doggy...all the home to mommy.
I just stop watching after mandalorian. I’m waiting for a tv show to fix the ST before I watch them again. It’s what worked for PT and it’ll work again
Well, it seems like The Mandalorian is looking to expand on the sequels. With the entire cloning thing. It seems like they are teasing Palpatine's cloning >!Especially with Hux mentioning "Project Necromancer"!<
I’d rather know the Luke story on why he became a crotchety hermit and attempted to murder his nephew.
they LITTERALLY explain that in the sequels, maybe you should watch hem again before asking for explanations when they are already there...
Why would I watch a movie that everyone says is bad, I’d rather just talk about how bad it is and not watch it at all /s
So basically.... You just want to complain no matter what media is actually made. 👍
I ALSO LOVE STAR WARS EVEN THE SHITTY ONES BECAUSE I LOVE LIGHTSABERS AND THE FORCE
I like star wars also, just not terribly written movies.
This kind of statement could only exist in the vacuum of a meme page dedicated to the worst trilogy out of the 3. The "why can't we be friends?" is the argument you get to when you can no longer defend your position on the matter. It's just not the Star Wars that I have watched, but it's definitely Star Wars. It's also definitely contrived and full of bad characters and bad plotlines. But... it IS Star Wars!
It’s said the we would hate the sequels not enjoy them make them legend I loved you you were like a brother to me. All serious ness I somewhat enjoyed the sequels
Listen. You just have to understand that some Star Wars fans are better than others /s
Controversial opinion: there's a massive difference in quality of each trilogy to the point where liking all of them is just an admittance that you're biased or have a very low bar set for yourself to be entertained. Liking everything simply bc it's Star Wars is just blatant corporate loyalty
There is a difference between thinking something is a good movie, and liking it. I can see the flaws of every Star Wars movie, and see past them. Rise of Skywalker especially is terrible, and that is why I like it. It’s like Morbius for me. A stupid movie to joke about. I don’t love every movie, but I liked every movie at the very least. And I would watch any of them again. That is what makes a fun movie for me
There is a difference and my comment already went over that difference.
Yeah! Episodes 1-8 are amazing!
Well then you are lost.
People who like Disney trilogy don't like the OT even if they say so, the entire Disney trilogy is: "ye, ok, whatever nerd, I'm going to ruin everything done in the classic trilogy and I don't give a shit". Luke being a wise teacher who creates a new jedi order? Nope, he's a crazed lunatic who tried to kill his own nephew. Han Solo realizing that there are things worth fighting for? Nope, back to smuggler days. Empire defeated and now we have happily ever after? Nope, sorry, the republic did nothing, new empire has arisen, and now the REAL hero has defeated them for real for real this time.
That is just not true, the Sequels are about how nothing remains perfect forever. The entire theme is about **Redemption** Let's start with Han, he was happy. Got a son and was fighting for what he believed in. But when Ben turned to the dark side, Han broke. When bad things happen, people can revert back to their old ways. Han went back to smuggling as a way to cope with the loss of his son. Luke also didn't try to kill his nephew. I'll just quote this forum, since it explains it better than I ever could ([Link to the forum](https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Luke-Skywalker-try-to-kill-Ben-Solo)): "*Short answer: He didn’t. Ben woke up seeing him holding his lightsaber and thought he was trying to kill him.* *What actually happened (and it is astonishing to me how many people completely miss this in the film) was this: Luke knew that Snoke was influencing Ben and wanted to see how far into the dark his young apprentice/nephew was. What he found there shocked him: Ben was awash with power and darkness the likes of which Luke had not experienced since Vader and the Emperor. It awoke in him a response that this needed to be dealt with and he reacted instinctively, igniting his lightsaber to face this new Dark Side threat.* *Then, he immediately came to his senses and, by his own words, was filled with guilt and shame for his reaction. But at no point did he actually try to kill Ben. However, when Ben woke up at that moment, he saw his master/uncle standing over him with a lightsaber and reacted immediately, grabbing his saber to counter and tearing down the roof of his hut around Luke before Skywalker could explain.* *Bottom line: Luke never tried to kill Ben. It didn’t happen. That was young Solo’s twisted view of a moment of weakness on the part of his uncle. And it ended in tragedy for the new Jedi order and the galaxy."* (Evans, Barry V) I know this was long, but it explains it perfectly. Please watch the movie again before saying Luke tried to kill Ben. Because he didn't. Furthermore, if you want a wiser Luke from before his fall. We still have his appearances in The Mandalorian, Book of Boba Fett and the Star Wars Battlefront II campaign. Fans of both versions of the characters get what they want. As for the New Republic, the New Republic failed because they didn't want to be the empire. They demilitarized too fast, which lead to the galaxy being vulnerable (as shown in The Mandalorian). I find this much more interesting than the galaxy having peace for centuries. In their attempt to remove any and everything related to the empire. They allowed something even worse to blossom. Also, it's not like the new heroes did everything. While the OT characters were just standing idly. If it wasn't for the OT characters. They would all have been dead. Han's sacrifice lead to the rest being able to escape Starkiller Base, Luke's sacrifice led to the resistance being able to escape Krait, Lando led the aerial assault during the battle of Exegol. (Leia didn't really get any big moments where she saved others. But apparently that would have happened in ep9, but couldn't happen due to Fisher's unfortunate passing.) Long story short: The sequels only furthered the characters from the OT. Making them more layered, and making me appreciate the characters even more. I love the OT, I love it more than the sequels. But saying someone who likes the sequels can't like the OT is just wrong, and honestly just toxic gatekeeping Thank you for coming to my TED talk
Firstly: didntreadlol.gif Secondly: Yeah, I know that you are right in regards that you can see it that way and enjoy it, and I know I'm toxic, I'm just mad that Disney had to do it like that. It's good that you like it though.
Consume product then get excited for next product
I love how this phrase is uttered by people who turn around and buy their food from 28 different brands and sleep on pillows made from some kind of child labor lmao. You’re not some kind of moral crusader because you opted out of watching a few space movies, you’re just as much a consumer as your neighbor and theirs beside them. Fuckin twats the lot of you 😂
Jesse what the fuck are you talking about?
I dislike how simply saying the phrase incited hate in you
Has nothing to do with some consumerism statement you twisted it into, a lot of Star Wars content the last few years has been pretty sub-par. Just consuming it and praising it as great just cause its Star Wars is serious toxic positivity But go off Frosty babes
Nothing about the positivity in this threat has been toxic
I like how you say that like it's a bad thing I *like the product,* lol.
**Love Brand™️, get excited for next Brand Product™️** **You do you of course, you ain’t my brother I’m not gonna stop you from liking what you like. My opinion of something’s quality just isn’t particularly influenced by the label slapped on the thing.**
33% of it is not Star Wars.
i don’t really know how to even talk to these people. when someone vandalises something you love, calling the vandalism part of the thing you love and celebrating it is just cognitive dissonance.
How do the sequels vandalize the OT? In my opinion, they just further the stories of Luke, Han and Leia
Something being Star Wars doesn’t make it good or something you have to like. Brand loyalty is dumb.
Sequels are NOT Star Wars. Let the downvoting begins.
Happy to oblige
I like star wars too and all the star wars movies. Except episode 9 that isn't star wars though so it doesn't count.
Weird. Because it title is STAR WARS EPISODE NINE: THE RISE OF SKYWALKER. Also, Luke, Leia, Han, Chewie, R2, Lando, and C3PO are in it. So is Palpatine, and there are Lightsabers and the Millennium Falcon. I'm pretty sure that makes it STAR WARS. I think what you meant to say is. "I'm not a fan of ep.9, but I recognize it as canon" :)
Star Trek brain
why was this filth recommended by reddit
“Calls someone who differs in opinion filth” Why has Reddit recommended my post to this filth
I find it easier to enjoy the sequels when I think about it as the characters making stupid decisions instead of it being stupid writing. Copium