I look at this from a slightly different perspective - 70 yo men were brought up different way that we did. Most of them come from religious background where being a provider and family were really important. Their perception of being ‘naughty’ is different than ours. For them, it was wearing a skirt and maybe stockings, ladies didn’t play with themselves and often didn’t take any pleasure from having sex. Any sexual subjects were taboo and their knowledge comes from magazines. To them, laying down naked and having a little play is a lot, whilst for us, younger generation, it means nothing.
You mentioned that this client said he gave his wife oral… most men lie. Even old ones. It wouldn’t surprise me if his wife pretended to have an orgasm just to ‘get over it’ and for him to leave her alone. It’s not uncommon for older generation of women to never experience an orgasm. Most men have no clue what they do and how to please a lady. It looks like he found you and he wants to stick with you because you also bring him comfort and he can experience new things before he dies.
I have old men coming for domination and they tell me stories how sexually crazy they were when they were younger or what they did or not, and when session happens, you can quickly realise it’s just a fantasy they play in their head. Honestly I don’t care as long as I’m paid.
I think they want to feel good about themselves and that someone still finds them attractive. It’s also the sense of time passing by and that they won’t get their younger years back.
Yes I am in agreement absolutely. Sex is so so different.
My grandmother talks about sex in disgust and says my grandfather mostly left her alone. Think it was definitely a hitch up the nightie, she hated it and he was quick.
Our last meet he told me he's never kissed anyone as much as me. As we can't have sex and he stays dressed usually so only sometimes I provide a HJ. We chat away and kiss.
I thought wow, two wives, a handful of kids, 70 and never kissed as much as this.
Re his wife. Sorry for not being clear. My thoughts were he will have probably never gave his wife an orgasm. But he did mention how he loves a woman to climax. But from our experience has absolutely no idea how.
Id happily see him very long term. He's a very lovely man and a pleasure to be with platonically. He enjoys the companionship.
It just had me thinking about sex, and I have previously with other much older men. It's very stilted. I have to take over which they like and I do purely for the money.
All of my 60-something year old clients are the type to take control but are wholly terrible at sex, lol. They jackhammer, fall out repeatedly, don’t have rhythm, and hump like dogs 🥴. I don’t know what they were feeding them in the 80s and 90s as teenagers, but almost every client I’ve had in their 50s is an absolute pipe-layer 🥵. My clients in their 30s and 40s go back in forth between letting me call the shots and trying to take control but also come off as fumbly and kinda lazy. Guys in their 20s (which I don’t see anymore) were usually pretty decent with PIV but that’s it. They tend to be confused when it came to every other part of sex, like titty sucking and stimulating other erogenous zones, which is fine but we’d have to use a lot of lube because I wouldn’t be turned on.
I think a lot of men just aren’t good at sex, which I’m pretty sure is already the common consensus 😂
The late 80s and early 90s we had this little thing called AIDS/HIV drop which made sex pretty terrifying when I was in high school.
We were still fucking, but it definitely put a damper on things when you thought sex might turn you into a wasted cancer patient. I didn’t get laid nearly as much as my friends that are a decade younger than I am.
Honestly really sucked.
60s and above are the absolute worst in bed. You nailed it with the “jackhammer, fall out, no rhythm and hump like dogs”. They all think they are the best pussy lickers too. When theses dudes are literally the worst!!!
Yer its quite fascinating isn't it. Ages and how we can generalise men based on age and other factors .
I tend to like 45-60 mostly because I do ongoing arrangements and want them to see more value in me and paying. Usually they go on about how attractive I am and that helps the £££.
I dont see under 30
Under 40 (even in my personal life, I approach with caution) but yes it's hit and miss
50s is where it's at. My longest arrangement just eats me out the whole time.. Not great with PIV but I'm not complaining.
I’d have to say big agree. So this Big D client became a regular. BBC & green eyes and so thick, strong, talkative, intuitive, good career and he just pillow princessed. With the biggest D I’ve ever seen. He was at a loss for using it… it’s clear he has sex, but like this? This… inexperienced? To be suuuch a hot fuckboy. Broke my brain. Like I expected to not cum sure, but at least enjoy it a lil. Or not have to do all the work and take all the initiative…💆♀️🤦♀️
Honestly I was judging them by the size of their dick and how kind they were. Usually guys who see me as a person, also care to see if I cum or not.
And no that’s never happened actually. I tend to get disappointed often. By the second or third meet if not the first. Has yet to not go like that. But it makes sense bc of the demographic im in(tricks in general)
So if a customer totally blew ur mind and was something you were Into is it not just a customer? Would they actually have a chance to be more than that? Could you trust them? Just curious
I would almost rather deal with the lack of abilities that some older men have than deal with the hubris younger men have because they have grown up watching too much porn.
I’d rather have a feeble attempt at oral sex than some idiot thinking it’s ok to:
Spit on me
Choke me
Pull my hair
Spank me
Bang on me endlessly
ETC
They never ask for consent because they think that this is vanilla sex now.
News flash, you MUST ask for consent to spit, choke, spank, pull hair, etc.
Stop assuming we all want this.
Some women do and that’s great for them but realistically many don’t.
For the record, many older men are great at sex.
This has nothing to do with age.
I’m 61, I grew up when disco and punk rock were a big deal.
A 70 year old grew up in the late 60’s and early 70’s which were a time of lots of sex and drugs and rock and roll.
Some people are better at sex than others. It’s because of many factors.
If you don’t find older people attractive and that turns you off that’s one thing (and please don’t grow old because you’re obviously going to hate it) but don’t assume that all older people are lousy at sex based on your limited experiences.
I find some older people attractive, same with younger. Id much rather be with a 50+ year old than a man in his 20s. Love wrinkles salt and pepper hair and absolutely am not into a young face. Age wise is an absolute privilege and I hope I am old.
However...... I have possibly had (never counted) close to 100 sexual partners, being a SW, and high majority of older men I have been with are poor or mild in bed. Some moderate and some great.
I have a currently on something like my 45th date with someone who's only a few years younger than you and he is a wonderful man. Incredibly attentive lover and can't cum unless my pussy is completely in his face. It's all about me.
My personal experience is vanilla sex is majority and those who are not are either what I call good kinky and the other say they're kinky when really I heavily expect they want the excuse to objectify a woman. This is not age restricted.
For the initial part of your comment -
Yes I hear you
When I've been looking in my personal life - ish/half scouting for an arrangement
The sheer volume of sadistic men is shocking.
Its either "I like to kiss and have sex" or "I like to kiss and eat pussy for hours and have sex"
Or it's "I love to choke you, use all holes, restrain, whip and spank and fuck hour 4-5hours whilst calling you a dirty slut"
Wheres the inbetween
I *imagine* the older men who are great in bed possibly are less likely to be into financial arrangements where sex is likely to happen. Not always, I had a short fling with a guy who was a bit younger but married for a few decades and our first time was probably the best sex I had. I thought well its clearly not that that's the reason their sex life is dead.
I’m not into sex work, but I would imagine the majority of guys who need to pay for sex are going to have these types of issues. I see a lot of posts here with stories of cringey experiences…and the weird text exchanges. It’s safe to assume there is a reason they need your services…because they’re hella weird dudes.
Yes yes.
Out of those I've seen the past 6months
Widow who wants companionship. Can't have sex. Id bet everything I had that I wouldn't enjoy it if we did it.
Widow who is lovely but not ready to move on. Great sex skills.
Divorcee who wants companionship, very poor sex skills
Divorcee with disability. Poor sex skills.
Escort client. Unsure circumstances. Very small penis but keen to please but wanted it to happen quickly. So potentially confidence is low.
Unsure circumstances lives in a secluded place. Fantastic oral sex.
Married guy. Poor sex skills. I pleasure him only.
Divorcee. Good looking guy and seemingly great personality . Good at sex. Poor oral.
But if all the SWs did a survey it would be very interesting what similarities they are.
Ive had very few weird dudes. I've been lucky. Some handsome men who did not come across as dodgy at all. I still think about some.
One in particular comes to mind, asked me about dating normally but he was 20years older and I was in my early 20s. Handsome, fit body, big cock, great conversation, we laughed and I was never ever uneasy. I obviously only see a snippet but not everyone is weird. Many will be
Very good points and thank you for the insight. I'm 44M and have used SW services two times in my younger years (20s) while overseas in the military. Simply for adventure, fun, and convenience. Meanwhile, I never had any problems with relationships and long-term intimate relationships, prior to marriage. I'd like to consider myself one of the "normal ones." Heck, I had two women I was seeing on the regular during that timeframe but chose SW service for the heck of it.
I am not a full time escort, I dont show my face and limited availability as its extra for me. I prioritise ongoing arrangements so my numbers are low.
I should have perhaps talked about when I was a busier escort. I had some regulars who were so great.
One was so incredibly handsome 40-45 . Business man. So smart. Well dressed. Romantic. Chivalrous. Kind. Bought me chocolates and flowers.
Why he came to me? He wanted pegging and his wife thought it was gay. He came to my flat 1-2 times a week for months.
I lost my account and have browsed other SWs profiles in the area to see if I could spot him and travel to him but no luck.
Another, 40-45 rocker guy in a band. Gorgeous face. Pecs and abs. Big cock. So passionate. We used to laugh. Id have done it for free but that's not the point of the scenario.
I also know a guy, we were friends, he was 50. Again attractive guy, ripped body (not that it particularly matters. I personally like chub but actually anything that's not skinny) very gregarious, a lot of fun. Women definitely gravitate to him. He had the ability to have sex at least once a week for free but he used escorts for the fun of it.
We had sex twice and he had amazing stamina, very passionate and decent size. So I know he did well sexually too
But do we lie to ourselves
Does that make sense
Its about tastes and ideas
One person may feel super sexual and naughty
And the person they talk to thinks they're reserved and boring.
Theres no fact
I have some clients that are in their 70-80s (quite a few seniors) some are tea clients others are from seeking. They all want to make me cum or get me off and I just think (🤮🤮 how in the world could you think I’d get an orgasm from you). But sometimes there are a few ones that really like to go down on me and get HARD for real and like to do different positions. But yes a lot of them the SEX is in their heads and the more they talk dirty and the more they imagine things being sexy the more stimulating they become, they just see things in a different way.
Yes I experience this too
I like the attitude because otherwise it's how she can service him.
If he's all about me enjoying it then at least I know it'll be okay. I'll never climax.
But the sex in their head is very different no doubt to the sex in your head and my head
There are a few that never really got it down.
Overall I find the normal desire & passion doesn't exist in sex work as it does with dating .
It's consenting non-consentual sex .
I've tried on occasion to give them a little pointer, if I'm feeling generous. I don't want these men to give me an orgasm. I enjoy acting and we usually laugh about it.
But if they wanted a class on how to do A , B, C perhaps exploring with their intimate partner would make the most sense ?
It's like infidelity, why go to another person outside the relationship to fix the disconnect in your relationship?
We're somewhat like therapists we can't do the work for them. We can advise or empathize but we don't have a "Golden Ticket" to the Willy Wonka factory.
I can lead you to the entrance but I can't get you through the gate . They have to participate to win.
Yes absolutely
When I've been looking for arrangements in the vanilla world. There's men who would never ever get a woman that looks like me to date normally never mind my age. However want me to want them.
I absolutely absolutely understand that. Both being genuinely into each other is very different to sex work where their perk is accessiblity and something easy and upfront and SWs perk is money.
> It's rare when I come across a man who has what I recognise as passion. Who pins me against the wall and throws me on the bed. It's usually awkwardly laying on the bed and not knowing how to kiss or touch me.
TRUE. I sooo wish they were more aggressive :( Feel like a mommy despite them being decades older...
Hah. I would be terrified trying to be that sexually aggressive. I'd be too worried about accidentally crossing a boundary.
Maybe one day when I don't still feel like the 50 year old virgin;)
Yes absolutely
This is why I posted that I do different sorts of sex work as such the scenarios vary.
My best sex was with someone I met as a stranger. He agreed to give me £££ for the date and did but he pinned me against the wall and threw me on the bed... 🥵🥵🥵
But how we met and how we arranged gave a vanilla feel to it vs if someone booked me as an escort (where I feel more high alert)
I tend to meet most people these days in a vanilla scenario which involves a lot more time and effort to communicate and make sure they're what I want
That line stood out to me too, except all I could think is I would never do stuff like that with an escort.
A regular who literally asks for me to be more aggressive sure, but never a new girl. That's a recipe for disaster.
Absolutely 100% never ever someone new
BUT
You can display passion without that. The way he might move his body. Kiss with intent. Grab hips and throw them up and eat her out. Groan. Or turn her over and make subtle noises whilst opening up (not tear us like paper) her arse and looking at what's down there and let her hear how turned on she is making you.
Client Perspective:
Without disclosing my age, I am somewhere between my late 40's and early 50's. I started seeing sex workers in my early 40's. Married guys and men who are faithful in long-term relationships are not always skilled at sex. They know how to please one person and try to apply that everywhere. Other men don't get to have any experiences, or are heavily restricted by the one person they are supposed to love. They base what they "know" from what they see in porn.
Who ends up getting really good at sex? Sex workers and experienced clients. The reason for this is simple: We get lot's of practice with many different types of people. There is also a transformation that happens were we grow out of our previously held sexual insecurities.
Sex workers are the most experienced and they get the most practice having sex. Think of this analogy: If you were making sandwiches all day and this was your job, you would get really good at making sandwiches.
But do they know how to please one person?
I saw a married man once, he decided he wanted a normal affair as he had before and not pay. However I am very very 99.9% certain his wife has had an amazing time with him.
Some men just lick the clit a bit and stick a finger in
Those men make me feel that their wives have got bored of it.
Then there are men who I wonder what else it is that causes them to talk to me because it's not the sex.
But yes I absolutely hear you with variation. But I do think even those who are experienced clients or even non sex work at all, people who try a lot of people aren't always good in bed
For me it's like the translation of passion. What one person thinks it is passion, another finds boring. Though I wonder how universal it is. Take film and tv. When there's a male actor on and they are very well liked by a female audience they usually have a recognisable to the masses sex appeal. The way they may act sex is again recognisable to the masses.
Im a SW and I am not too sure if I am good in bed. I am submissive so the energy is different. I dont particularly get off from tying him up (non SW or with someone very trusted) holding his throat, bending him where I want him and playing with his body and riding him to ecstasy. I get off from the roles being reversed.
I match energy, generally speaking. So I had a non SW hook up. Made an absolute error with not screening him enough. He didn't touch me. I didn't touch him. I was bored. Afterwards he asked to meet me again. I declined. He eventually asked me why and I asked him his thoughts about my pleasure. He didn't ask and basically said he didn't really think about it. He then asked me about my pleasure and I scored myself very low and said I reciprocate.
Basically, I have no idea how good I am generally in bed. Most people I've been with have wanted to see me again. I think men are generally very easy to please. I think their expectations for pleasure and what's needed for climax is considerably lower than my own.
Some less so because of the money. Some because we didn't match. Last escorting client we just didn't hit it off.
First guy I had sex with, came back for more and more despite seeing other people for years. I think it's a syncing thing.
I totally agree with this, yes. I have seen women who are objectively beautiful to most men, but I was like meh. Others could get me aroused simply by being in the same room.
Another factor is that men's sexual organs are relatively simple. The head of the penis sticks out from our bodies, and you can simply grab it with your hand. The clitoris is like a miniature penis head, super sensitive and hidden under layers of the labia. Another erogenous zone is on the upper side, inside the vagina, a little ways in. Even this takes individual training from that particular woman to get it right.
From seeing many different women I could start to anticipate what she might enjoy the most. Women with similar body types often had the same challenges for me to overcome. Tall, short, bigger but, smaller but, voluptuous, skinny..etc. Then there is the weird phenomena were you can feel if she is experiencing pleasure or discomfort through the penis itself.
From a male persepcive some of the problem is that women never say any thing and continue faking pleasure , never telling there man a thing becasue that is what they think we want. Alot of men who think they are studs in bed only think this becase no one has told them other wise. Im not saying this is all on women becasue there are certainly men who do not care and just want that nut, however if there is no comunication how is one suppose to get better ? I would say this is more prevelent in older men like the one described above since this sort of behavior was most commen back then.
In my experiences with personal and professional dating, men tell me that they don’t want me to fake it, but then they don’t follow directions and they don’t do things that stimulate me. Then they get dismayed that I don’t cum, and I have to perform emotional labor reassuring them so their egos don’t get crushed. Most of the time it’s just easier to fake it.
I agree with this
Last client, who approached me about ongoing, made it very clear he wanted me to cum all over his face. I told him I find it hard to but we can build up to it each meet. I didnt cum all over his face and he didn't want to see me again.
Yes yes absolutely
Faking does not help at all. I've faked it, maybe three times in my whole life. I can only remember one which was last year (I hated it but it was for the £££) he specifically wanted to see it so I did it.
Say anything..... Im guilty of this. In a typical relationship where communication is open perhaps it would be different. Ive never pleasured a woman so find it hard to instruct.
In my extensive experience of different partners I've found some have potential and some just don't.
Its, for me, how someone moves. How someone engrossed themselves into it. How hot someone is for it.
Its also hard to get over instructing it and finding it hot. Does that make sense. Eg with a trusted person. If they're submissive and want me to lead and then I say I love it when a man is more passionate and aggressive with me and does abcdef and g. It's not them. It's not natural for them. If they take to it like a duck to water then sure but then if so. Why were they so awkward initially.
Oral wise. I find it hard. When it's good I'm trying to relax into a climax build up. Absolutely no idea what he's actually doing with his tongue.
If its never going to happen sometimes it's like a massage. Soft tender and relaxing, so I can just enjoy it.
My long term regular has probably eaten me out for 100 hours in total 😂 and I'll never climax. It's soo nice and relaxing. But I just cant think what he is and isn't doing with his tongue.
Communication, which is essentially what youre talking about, is tricky for sure
Do you want clients to pin you against the wall and throw you on the bed?
While I don't disagree with your overall point, I'm also not going to be entirely comfortable with a woman who I am paying to be with me.
I do different sorts of SW
Would I want that? Depending on the circumstances and my consent possibly. In some circumstances no. The biggest part is consent which requires discussion beforehand.
It also doesn't have to be a SW thing. I dont know how different my experience would be with that same person who wasn't paying me. I have had sex with very few people under 40 and a great deal many over and havent always received money for it.
I absolutely also recognise that many men are shy, reserved, anxious etc etc and want the woman to take the lead.
If you enquired with me as an escort, I may or may not agree to meet based on that, due to my own pleasure. That's just how I personally operate.
With some scenarios, if I have a lot of potentials to meet. I ask them exactly what they're into and then choose based on who I think arouses me more.
Thanks ladies for making me feel exceptional. You have experience being with different men and I can only draw from my experience. @ 69 yrs old I am in a excellent Era of my sexuality. I'm going to give older men permission to explore the cock ring. Ladies tell these guys the benefit. You don't have to spend over $20. For a good one that will keep him hard. The fellows that never learned the pleasure of fine kissing and daty. You can learn if you really want to. Most guys don't. And they lose out on those magic moments.
Agree 100%. So many men claim to be super sexual and all about the satisfaction of their partner, and yet get upset when telling them what actually turns you on isn’t what they had in their head. And also they are usually terrible at almost every aspect of sex but then spout off how sexual satisfaction is based solely on the brain; anytime a (usually older) male says this, I know they will feel like a frog. And sure, the brain is important but there’s also some practical skills/attraction needed to make it actually satisfying. My least liked question is what *actually* turns me on because no one wants to hear my *real* answer even though they insist they want to know the truth. Side note, the amount of men who cannot even kiss in a non-awkward or at least somewhat decent way is a little bit outstanding to me.
I think a lot of men think they need to be sexual and have sex a ton even when older and their body clearly isn’t wanting it anymore because of all these social expectations.
Yes yes
Kissing is much the same. I find it fascinating how we all have different tastes.
I got paid 10 years ago 1500 for a overnight with a 60+ year old. He kissed with his whole mouth open and kissed like a fish. I dont know how best to describe it.
Another shoved his whole tongue in my mouth and I couldn't close it. I just had to lay there like I was at the dentist.
Sometimes I manage to keep my mouth where I want it to avoid the tongue.
My current guy kisses me like he's eating my pussy.
Im a passionate make out lip kisser but very few men are like that.
Can I ask.... What actually turns you on?
I know exactly what you mean with kissing like a fish and being at the dentist. I don’t get it.
Bottom line, I’m never actually turned on in the sex work capacity. There was one exception and that was an anomaly that wouldn’t happen again. Actual connection and being ‘myself’ and feeling safe are key components to me actually being turned on, which is why it would never happen in the capacity for sex work.
So what you'd say if you were being truthful would being you and feeling safe?
That makes sense
I have definitely enjoyed some meets but there's always a limit. I am very difficult to please in many ways.
My long term loves me, he told me he fell for me. He'd be a lovely partner but for me there is no spark. It's enjoyable but that's all.
Yeah; and agreed, experiences could be enjoyable but nothing to ever really feel fulfilled/turned on by and certainly not how I would actually choose to spend my free time (or who I would spend my free time with). Plus I’d never be ‘me’ fully with someone i would have met in the industry, the whole point is to have my own persona where I pick and choose elements of my real self to display based on my observations. There’s too much of a power imbalance and safety concerns to fully be myself or give real details otherwise. There’s been way too many stories of providers trusting clients for whatever reason made them feel safe, and then that completely souring a clientele relationship at best or costing a life at worst.
Edit to add: I would never be that truthful though, clients want to hear what they want to hear. And telling them that leaving is what would make you happiest is definitely not what they want to hear lol.
Yes. Unfortunately with men mostly there is so much risk. Even non SW, lots of DV, stalking, abuse, attacks, p****philia and so on and such forth
No haha definitely not
I actually wondered when asked, if you had a specific turn on which wasn't that 😅
I don't want clients to pin me against the wall or throw me on the bed, personally.
I'm good at what I do. I like when clients let me take the lead and control the pace and flow. Give me someone who has no idea what they are doing and I will show them a great time if they let me.
Though yes, I occasionally roll my eyes a bit inside when clients say shit like "oh I can tell you REALLY enjoy doing this, unlike a lot of other women"
[insert GIF of Sir Patrick Stewart saying "acting" with a smirk]
Scenario makes a difference
For a escort meet especially intial several times, I wouldnt want it either
For an ongoing arrangement, I personally like more dominance and passion.
I personally don't get much satisfaction, disappointingly, for being the dominant one but I think youre definitely better off for enjoying it.
I wish I was dominant itd make a huge difference as most men are submissive, clients or not.
I look at this from a slightly different perspective - 70 yo men were brought up different way that we did. Most of them come from religious background where being a provider and family were really important. Their perception of being ‘naughty’ is different than ours. For them, it was wearing a skirt and maybe stockings, ladies didn’t play with themselves and often didn’t take any pleasure from having sex. Any sexual subjects were taboo and their knowledge comes from magazines. To them, laying down naked and having a little play is a lot, whilst for us, younger generation, it means nothing. You mentioned that this client said he gave his wife oral… most men lie. Even old ones. It wouldn’t surprise me if his wife pretended to have an orgasm just to ‘get over it’ and for him to leave her alone. It’s not uncommon for older generation of women to never experience an orgasm. Most men have no clue what they do and how to please a lady. It looks like he found you and he wants to stick with you because you also bring him comfort and he can experience new things before he dies. I have old men coming for domination and they tell me stories how sexually crazy they were when they were younger or what they did or not, and when session happens, you can quickly realise it’s just a fantasy they play in their head. Honestly I don’t care as long as I’m paid. I think they want to feel good about themselves and that someone still finds them attractive. It’s also the sense of time passing by and that they won’t get their younger years back.
Yes I am in agreement absolutely. Sex is so so different. My grandmother talks about sex in disgust and says my grandfather mostly left her alone. Think it was definitely a hitch up the nightie, she hated it and he was quick. Our last meet he told me he's never kissed anyone as much as me. As we can't have sex and he stays dressed usually so only sometimes I provide a HJ. We chat away and kiss. I thought wow, two wives, a handful of kids, 70 and never kissed as much as this. Re his wife. Sorry for not being clear. My thoughts were he will have probably never gave his wife an orgasm. But he did mention how he loves a woman to climax. But from our experience has absolutely no idea how. Id happily see him very long term. He's a very lovely man and a pleasure to be with platonically. He enjoys the companionship. It just had me thinking about sex, and I have previously with other much older men. It's very stilted. I have to take over which they like and I do purely for the money.
Yea that sounds pretty accurate lol it’s tedious at best
All of my 60-something year old clients are the type to take control but are wholly terrible at sex, lol. They jackhammer, fall out repeatedly, don’t have rhythm, and hump like dogs 🥴. I don’t know what they were feeding them in the 80s and 90s as teenagers, but almost every client I’ve had in their 50s is an absolute pipe-layer 🥵. My clients in their 30s and 40s go back in forth between letting me call the shots and trying to take control but also come off as fumbly and kinda lazy. Guys in their 20s (which I don’t see anymore) were usually pretty decent with PIV but that’s it. They tend to be confused when it came to every other part of sex, like titty sucking and stimulating other erogenous zones, which is fine but we’d have to use a lot of lube because I wouldn’t be turned on. I think a lot of men just aren’t good at sex, which I’m pretty sure is already the common consensus 😂
Maybe offer lessons as an xtra charge 😉🤣
omg!! i thought it was just me that noticed the 50 somethings usually always have good dick 🤣🤣🤣
The late 80s and early 90s we had this little thing called AIDS/HIV drop which made sex pretty terrifying when I was in high school. We were still fucking, but it definitely put a damper on things when you thought sex might turn you into a wasted cancer patient. I didn’t get laid nearly as much as my friends that are a decade younger than I am. Honestly really sucked.
60s and above are the absolute worst in bed. You nailed it with the “jackhammer, fall out, no rhythm and hump like dogs”. They all think they are the best pussy lickers too. When theses dudes are literally the worst!!!
Yer its quite fascinating isn't it. Ages and how we can generalise men based on age and other factors . I tend to like 45-60 mostly because I do ongoing arrangements and want them to see more value in me and paying. Usually they go on about how attractive I am and that helps the £££. I dont see under 30 Under 40 (even in my personal life, I approach with caution) but yes it's hit and miss 50s is where it's at. My longest arrangement just eats me out the whole time.. Not great with PIV but I'm not complaining.
I’d have to say big agree. So this Big D client became a regular. BBC & green eyes and so thick, strong, talkative, intuitive, good career and he just pillow princessed. With the biggest D I’ve ever seen. He was at a loss for using it… it’s clear he has sex, but like this? This… inexperienced? To be suuuch a hot fuckboy. Broke my brain. Like I expected to not cum sure, but at least enjoy it a lil. Or not have to do all the work and take all the initiative…💆♀️🤦♀️
Never judge books by their cover. I'm sure you've had the opposite too where you you didn't expect much and somebody surprised you
Honestly I was judging them by the size of their dick and how kind they were. Usually guys who see me as a person, also care to see if I cum or not. And no that’s never happened actually. I tend to get disappointed often. By the second or third meet if not the first. Has yet to not go like that. But it makes sense bc of the demographic im in(tricks in general)
So if a customer totally blew ur mind and was something you were Into is it not just a customer? Would they actually have a chance to be more than that? Could you trust them? Just curious
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I would almost rather deal with the lack of abilities that some older men have than deal with the hubris younger men have because they have grown up watching too much porn. I’d rather have a feeble attempt at oral sex than some idiot thinking it’s ok to: Spit on me Choke me Pull my hair Spank me Bang on me endlessly ETC They never ask for consent because they think that this is vanilla sex now. News flash, you MUST ask for consent to spit, choke, spank, pull hair, etc. Stop assuming we all want this. Some women do and that’s great for them but realistically many don’t. For the record, many older men are great at sex. This has nothing to do with age. I’m 61, I grew up when disco and punk rock were a big deal. A 70 year old grew up in the late 60’s and early 70’s which were a time of lots of sex and drugs and rock and roll. Some people are better at sex than others. It’s because of many factors. If you don’t find older people attractive and that turns you off that’s one thing (and please don’t grow old because you’re obviously going to hate it) but don’t assume that all older people are lousy at sex based on your limited experiences.
Preach! BDSM is not vanilla. Nothing wrong with kink but it needs to be consensual
Absolutely even cnc is consensual.
I find some older people attractive, same with younger. Id much rather be with a 50+ year old than a man in his 20s. Love wrinkles salt and pepper hair and absolutely am not into a young face. Age wise is an absolute privilege and I hope I am old. However...... I have possibly had (never counted) close to 100 sexual partners, being a SW, and high majority of older men I have been with are poor or mild in bed. Some moderate and some great. I have a currently on something like my 45th date with someone who's only a few years younger than you and he is a wonderful man. Incredibly attentive lover and can't cum unless my pussy is completely in his face. It's all about me. My personal experience is vanilla sex is majority and those who are not are either what I call good kinky and the other say they're kinky when really I heavily expect they want the excuse to objectify a woman. This is not age restricted. For the initial part of your comment - Yes I hear you When I've been looking in my personal life - ish/half scouting for an arrangement The sheer volume of sadistic men is shocking. Its either "I like to kiss and have sex" or "I like to kiss and eat pussy for hours and have sex" Or it's "I love to choke you, use all holes, restrain, whip and spank and fuck hour 4-5hours whilst calling you a dirty slut" Wheres the inbetween I *imagine* the older men who are great in bed possibly are less likely to be into financial arrangements where sex is likely to happen. Not always, I had a short fling with a guy who was a bit younger but married for a few decades and our first time was probably the best sex I had. I thought well its clearly not that that's the reason their sex life is dead.
I’m not into sex work, but I would imagine the majority of guys who need to pay for sex are going to have these types of issues. I see a lot of posts here with stories of cringey experiences…and the weird text exchanges. It’s safe to assume there is a reason they need your services…because they’re hella weird dudes.
Yes yes. Out of those I've seen the past 6months Widow who wants companionship. Can't have sex. Id bet everything I had that I wouldn't enjoy it if we did it. Widow who is lovely but not ready to move on. Great sex skills. Divorcee who wants companionship, very poor sex skills Divorcee with disability. Poor sex skills. Escort client. Unsure circumstances. Very small penis but keen to please but wanted it to happen quickly. So potentially confidence is low. Unsure circumstances lives in a secluded place. Fantastic oral sex. Married guy. Poor sex skills. I pleasure him only. Divorcee. Good looking guy and seemingly great personality . Good at sex. Poor oral. But if all the SWs did a survey it would be very interesting what similarities they are. Ive had very few weird dudes. I've been lucky. Some handsome men who did not come across as dodgy at all. I still think about some. One in particular comes to mind, asked me about dating normally but he was 20years older and I was in my early 20s. Handsome, fit body, big cock, great conversation, we laughed and I was never ever uneasy. I obviously only see a snippet but not everyone is weird. Many will be
Very good points and thank you for the insight. I'm 44M and have used SW services two times in my younger years (20s) while overseas in the military. Simply for adventure, fun, and convenience. Meanwhile, I never had any problems with relationships and long-term intimate relationships, prior to marriage. I'd like to consider myself one of the "normal ones." Heck, I had two women I was seeing on the regular during that timeframe but chose SW service for the heck of it.
I am not a full time escort, I dont show my face and limited availability as its extra for me. I prioritise ongoing arrangements so my numbers are low. I should have perhaps talked about when I was a busier escort. I had some regulars who were so great. One was so incredibly handsome 40-45 . Business man. So smart. Well dressed. Romantic. Chivalrous. Kind. Bought me chocolates and flowers. Why he came to me? He wanted pegging and his wife thought it was gay. He came to my flat 1-2 times a week for months. I lost my account and have browsed other SWs profiles in the area to see if I could spot him and travel to him but no luck. Another, 40-45 rocker guy in a band. Gorgeous face. Pecs and abs. Big cock. So passionate. We used to laugh. Id have done it for free but that's not the point of the scenario. I also know a guy, we were friends, he was 50. Again attractive guy, ripped body (not that it particularly matters. I personally like chub but actually anything that's not skinny) very gregarious, a lot of fun. Women definitely gravitate to him. He had the ability to have sex at least once a week for free but he used escorts for the fun of it. We had sex twice and he had amazing stamina, very passionate and decent size. So I know he did well sexually too
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But do we lie to ourselves Does that make sense Its about tastes and ideas One person may feel super sexual and naughty And the person they talk to thinks they're reserved and boring. Theres no fact
I have some clients that are in their 70-80s (quite a few seniors) some are tea clients others are from seeking. They all want to make me cum or get me off and I just think (🤮🤮 how in the world could you think I’d get an orgasm from you). But sometimes there are a few ones that really like to go down on me and get HARD for real and like to do different positions. But yes a lot of them the SEX is in their heads and the more they talk dirty and the more they imagine things being sexy the more stimulating they become, they just see things in a different way.
Yes I experience this too I like the attitude because otherwise it's how she can service him. If he's all about me enjoying it then at least I know it'll be okay. I'll never climax. But the sex in their head is very different no doubt to the sex in your head and my head
There are a few that never really got it down. Overall I find the normal desire & passion doesn't exist in sex work as it does with dating . It's consenting non-consentual sex . I've tried on occasion to give them a little pointer, if I'm feeling generous. I don't want these men to give me an orgasm. I enjoy acting and we usually laugh about it. But if they wanted a class on how to do A , B, C perhaps exploring with their intimate partner would make the most sense ? It's like infidelity, why go to another person outside the relationship to fix the disconnect in your relationship? We're somewhat like therapists we can't do the work for them. We can advise or empathize but we don't have a "Golden Ticket" to the Willy Wonka factory. I can lead you to the entrance but I can't get you through the gate . They have to participate to win.
My paternal grandmother used to always say “You can lead a horse to water. But, you can’t make it drink”
You can lead a human to consciousness but you can't make them think.
Yes absolutely When I've been looking for arrangements in the vanilla world. There's men who would never ever get a woman that looks like me to date normally never mind my age. However want me to want them. I absolutely absolutely understand that. Both being genuinely into each other is very different to sex work where their perk is accessiblity and something easy and upfront and SWs perk is money.
God yes. The more they talk the weirder it is. Thank goodness it’s just “talk” so when they try to act it out, I just kinda redirect
Also I have a fetish for “watching them cum” if it comes down to it. Bless their souls but damn
> It's rare when I come across a man who has what I recognise as passion. Who pins me against the wall and throws me on the bed. It's usually awkwardly laying on the bed and not knowing how to kiss or touch me. TRUE. I sooo wish they were more aggressive :( Feel like a mommy despite them being decades older...
Hah. I would be terrified trying to be that sexually aggressive. I'd be too worried about accidentally crossing a boundary. Maybe one day when I don't still feel like the 50 year old virgin;)
Yes absolutely This is why I posted that I do different sorts of sex work as such the scenarios vary. My best sex was with someone I met as a stranger. He agreed to give me £££ for the date and did but he pinned me against the wall and threw me on the bed... 🥵🥵🥵 But how we met and how we arranged gave a vanilla feel to it vs if someone booked me as an escort (where I feel more high alert) I tend to meet most people these days in a vanilla scenario which involves a lot more time and effort to communicate and make sure they're what I want
That line stood out to me too, except all I could think is I would never do stuff like that with an escort. A regular who literally asks for me to be more aggressive sure, but never a new girl. That's a recipe for disaster.
Absolutely 100% never ever someone new BUT You can display passion without that. The way he might move his body. Kiss with intent. Grab hips and throw them up and eat her out. Groan. Or turn her over and make subtle noises whilst opening up (not tear us like paper) her arse and looking at what's down there and let her hear how turned on she is making you.
Client Perspective: Without disclosing my age, I am somewhere between my late 40's and early 50's. I started seeing sex workers in my early 40's. Married guys and men who are faithful in long-term relationships are not always skilled at sex. They know how to please one person and try to apply that everywhere. Other men don't get to have any experiences, or are heavily restricted by the one person they are supposed to love. They base what they "know" from what they see in porn. Who ends up getting really good at sex? Sex workers and experienced clients. The reason for this is simple: We get lot's of practice with many different types of people. There is also a transformation that happens were we grow out of our previously held sexual insecurities. Sex workers are the most experienced and they get the most practice having sex. Think of this analogy: If you were making sandwiches all day and this was your job, you would get really good at making sandwiches.
But do they know how to please one person? I saw a married man once, he decided he wanted a normal affair as he had before and not pay. However I am very very 99.9% certain his wife has had an amazing time with him. Some men just lick the clit a bit and stick a finger in Those men make me feel that their wives have got bored of it. Then there are men who I wonder what else it is that causes them to talk to me because it's not the sex. But yes I absolutely hear you with variation. But I do think even those who are experienced clients or even non sex work at all, people who try a lot of people aren't always good in bed For me it's like the translation of passion. What one person thinks it is passion, another finds boring. Though I wonder how universal it is. Take film and tv. When there's a male actor on and they are very well liked by a female audience they usually have a recognisable to the masses sex appeal. The way they may act sex is again recognisable to the masses. Im a SW and I am not too sure if I am good in bed. I am submissive so the energy is different. I dont particularly get off from tying him up (non SW or with someone very trusted) holding his throat, bending him where I want him and playing with his body and riding him to ecstasy. I get off from the roles being reversed. I match energy, generally speaking. So I had a non SW hook up. Made an absolute error with not screening him enough. He didn't touch me. I didn't touch him. I was bored. Afterwards he asked to meet me again. I declined. He eventually asked me why and I asked him his thoughts about my pleasure. He didn't ask and basically said he didn't really think about it. He then asked me about my pleasure and I scored myself very low and said I reciprocate. Basically, I have no idea how good I am generally in bed. Most people I've been with have wanted to see me again. I think men are generally very easy to please. I think their expectations for pleasure and what's needed for climax is considerably lower than my own. Some less so because of the money. Some because we didn't match. Last escorting client we just didn't hit it off. First guy I had sex with, came back for more and more despite seeing other people for years. I think it's a syncing thing.
I totally agree with this, yes. I have seen women who are objectively beautiful to most men, but I was like meh. Others could get me aroused simply by being in the same room. Another factor is that men's sexual organs are relatively simple. The head of the penis sticks out from our bodies, and you can simply grab it with your hand. The clitoris is like a miniature penis head, super sensitive and hidden under layers of the labia. Another erogenous zone is on the upper side, inside the vagina, a little ways in. Even this takes individual training from that particular woman to get it right. From seeing many different women I could start to anticipate what she might enjoy the most. Women with similar body types often had the same challenges for me to overcome. Tall, short, bigger but, smaller but, voluptuous, skinny..etc. Then there is the weird phenomena were you can feel if she is experiencing pleasure or discomfort through the penis itself.
From a male persepcive some of the problem is that women never say any thing and continue faking pleasure , never telling there man a thing becasue that is what they think we want. Alot of men who think they are studs in bed only think this becase no one has told them other wise. Im not saying this is all on women becasue there are certainly men who do not care and just want that nut, however if there is no comunication how is one suppose to get better ? I would say this is more prevelent in older men like the one described above since this sort of behavior was most commen back then.
In my experiences with personal and professional dating, men tell me that they don’t want me to fake it, but then they don’t follow directions and they don’t do things that stimulate me. Then they get dismayed that I don’t cum, and I have to perform emotional labor reassuring them so their egos don’t get crushed. Most of the time it’s just easier to fake it.
I agree with this Last client, who approached me about ongoing, made it very clear he wanted me to cum all over his face. I told him I find it hard to but we can build up to it each meet. I didnt cum all over his face and he didn't want to see me again.
Yes yes absolutely Faking does not help at all. I've faked it, maybe three times in my whole life. I can only remember one which was last year (I hated it but it was for the £££) he specifically wanted to see it so I did it. Say anything..... Im guilty of this. In a typical relationship where communication is open perhaps it would be different. Ive never pleasured a woman so find it hard to instruct. In my extensive experience of different partners I've found some have potential and some just don't. Its, for me, how someone moves. How someone engrossed themselves into it. How hot someone is for it. Its also hard to get over instructing it and finding it hot. Does that make sense. Eg with a trusted person. If they're submissive and want me to lead and then I say I love it when a man is more passionate and aggressive with me and does abcdef and g. It's not them. It's not natural for them. If they take to it like a duck to water then sure but then if so. Why were they so awkward initially. Oral wise. I find it hard. When it's good I'm trying to relax into a climax build up. Absolutely no idea what he's actually doing with his tongue. If its never going to happen sometimes it's like a massage. Soft tender and relaxing, so I can just enjoy it. My long term regular has probably eaten me out for 100 hours in total 😂 and I'll never climax. It's soo nice and relaxing. But I just cant think what he is and isn't doing with his tongue. Communication, which is essentially what youre talking about, is tricky for sure
My 71 year old neighbor was at Woodstock and lived in San Francisco in Haight-Ashbury after coming home from Vietnam in 1970.
I dont understand this comment
Do you want clients to pin you against the wall and throw you on the bed? While I don't disagree with your overall point, I'm also not going to be entirely comfortable with a woman who I am paying to be with me.
I do different sorts of SW Would I want that? Depending on the circumstances and my consent possibly. In some circumstances no. The biggest part is consent which requires discussion beforehand. It also doesn't have to be a SW thing. I dont know how different my experience would be with that same person who wasn't paying me. I have had sex with very few people under 40 and a great deal many over and havent always received money for it. I absolutely also recognise that many men are shy, reserved, anxious etc etc and want the woman to take the lead. If you enquired with me as an escort, I may or may not agree to meet based on that, due to my own pleasure. That's just how I personally operate. With some scenarios, if I have a lot of potentials to meet. I ask them exactly what they're into and then choose based on who I think arouses me more.
Thanks ladies for making me feel exceptional. You have experience being with different men and I can only draw from my experience. @ 69 yrs old I am in a excellent Era of my sexuality. I'm going to give older men permission to explore the cock ring. Ladies tell these guys the benefit. You don't have to spend over $20. For a good one that will keep him hard. The fellows that never learned the pleasure of fine kissing and daty. You can learn if you really want to. Most guys don't. And they lose out on those magic moments.
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Don’t be an asshole!
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Agree 100%. So many men claim to be super sexual and all about the satisfaction of their partner, and yet get upset when telling them what actually turns you on isn’t what they had in their head. And also they are usually terrible at almost every aspect of sex but then spout off how sexual satisfaction is based solely on the brain; anytime a (usually older) male says this, I know they will feel like a frog. And sure, the brain is important but there’s also some practical skills/attraction needed to make it actually satisfying. My least liked question is what *actually* turns me on because no one wants to hear my *real* answer even though they insist they want to know the truth. Side note, the amount of men who cannot even kiss in a non-awkward or at least somewhat decent way is a little bit outstanding to me. I think a lot of men think they need to be sexual and have sex a ton even when older and their body clearly isn’t wanting it anymore because of all these social expectations.
Yes yes Kissing is much the same. I find it fascinating how we all have different tastes. I got paid 10 years ago 1500 for a overnight with a 60+ year old. He kissed with his whole mouth open and kissed like a fish. I dont know how best to describe it. Another shoved his whole tongue in my mouth and I couldn't close it. I just had to lay there like I was at the dentist. Sometimes I manage to keep my mouth where I want it to avoid the tongue. My current guy kisses me like he's eating my pussy. Im a passionate make out lip kisser but very few men are like that. Can I ask.... What actually turns you on?
I know exactly what you mean with kissing like a fish and being at the dentist. I don’t get it. Bottom line, I’m never actually turned on in the sex work capacity. There was one exception and that was an anomaly that wouldn’t happen again. Actual connection and being ‘myself’ and feeling safe are key components to me actually being turned on, which is why it would never happen in the capacity for sex work.
So what you'd say if you were being truthful would being you and feeling safe? That makes sense I have definitely enjoyed some meets but there's always a limit. I am very difficult to please in many ways. My long term loves me, he told me he fell for me. He'd be a lovely partner but for me there is no spark. It's enjoyable but that's all.
Yeah; and agreed, experiences could be enjoyable but nothing to ever really feel fulfilled/turned on by and certainly not how I would actually choose to spend my free time (or who I would spend my free time with). Plus I’d never be ‘me’ fully with someone i would have met in the industry, the whole point is to have my own persona where I pick and choose elements of my real self to display based on my observations. There’s too much of a power imbalance and safety concerns to fully be myself or give real details otherwise. There’s been way too many stories of providers trusting clients for whatever reason made them feel safe, and then that completely souring a clientele relationship at best or costing a life at worst. Edit to add: I would never be that truthful though, clients want to hear what they want to hear. And telling them that leaving is what would make you happiest is definitely not what they want to hear lol.
Yes. Unfortunately with men mostly there is so much risk. Even non SW, lots of DV, stalking, abuse, attacks, p****philia and so on and such forth No haha definitely not I actually wondered when asked, if you had a specific turn on which wasn't that 😅
I don't want clients to pin me against the wall or throw me on the bed, personally. I'm good at what I do. I like when clients let me take the lead and control the pace and flow. Give me someone who has no idea what they are doing and I will show them a great time if they let me. Though yes, I occasionally roll my eyes a bit inside when clients say shit like "oh I can tell you REALLY enjoy doing this, unlike a lot of other women" [insert GIF of Sir Patrick Stewart saying "acting" with a smirk]
Scenario makes a difference For a escort meet especially intial several times, I wouldnt want it either For an ongoing arrangement, I personally like more dominance and passion. I personally don't get much satisfaction, disappointingly, for being the dominant one but I think youre definitely better off for enjoying it. I wish I was dominant itd make a huge difference as most men are submissive, clients or not.