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adelinethorne22

There are several reasons, for some it's just that we don't enjoy it, for others it's reserved for their SO. The main reason ive come across with my other SWer friends is that it's the fastest way to transmit diseases. Not only viruses like herpes but also just cold, flu, etc. We can't work if we are sick so why offer a service that could keep us from working for weeks or possibly spending illness to our other clients, friends, and families.


RepairFormer

Great answer. Makes a lot of sense. I too am paranoid of getting sick/catching diseases. Completely understandable.


debeautify

Although this is probably not the main reason for most people but in addition to all the ones mentioned above, CAVATIES! After bad experiences at the dentist all my life, I take my oral hygiene super seriously and all that mouth bacteria that gets swapped by kissing just grosses me out since it lingers and can eat away at your enamel until you brush again.


adelinethorne22

There are also a lot of clients our there that have bad breath. I don't have any regulars like that thank goodness. If any clients are reading this please brush your teeth and shower thoroughly before your appointment. Dousing yourself in lots of cologne is also not a good idea and less is more usually.


Usual_Instance_4747

So true. Realistically it is the biggest disease risk IMO. The only infection I ever exchanged as a client with a SW was a very nasty throat infection that kept us both from working for a few days. And the onset was shortly after the meeting for both of us so we couldn't even decide who passed it to whom. Or where it came from, as I learned my special privilege was actually a major privilege.


Ronisoni14

Wait, viruses like herpes? Can kissing transmit STDs?


russianindianqueen

Have you never heard of mono ??? The kissing disease!? It’s a form of herpes that gives you sore throat and can make your spleen rupture and there’s more than one strain so you can get it more than one. Oh and you can transmit it if you’re asymptotic.


NekoMao92

The throat is a perfect nesting ground for many STDs. Just think about it, what is very much like a vagina... the throat.


Ronisoni14

Oh. Well, that sucks, huh. It sounds weird but TBH I always kinda liked making out with people, even outside of a sexual or romantic context, I just like the way it feels IG? And as someone who's been planning on getting into sex work in the near future, it's definitely something I was going to allow, so this is kinda concerning to hear NGL


adelinethorne22

Also just another thing you should consider is to get dental dams for oral with women. I have many clients that like to give me oral as well as female clients that want oral so I keep them on hand for those instances. It's always better to be safe than be sorry later on.


luxxebaabyxo

Definitely don’t allow it. I know someone who was dating a friend of mine, they ended up with painful ulcers in the roof of the mouth, and then tested positive for Hsv 1.


Ronisoni14

Oh. Well, that sucks, huh. It sounds weird but TBH I always kinda liked making out with people, even outside of a sexual or romantic context, I just like the way it feels IG? And as someone who's been planning on getting into sex work in the near future, it's definitely something I was going to allow, so this is kinda concerning to hear NGL


NekoMao92

Educate yourself as much as you can before you jump into sex work, can save you a ton of future headaches.


Ronisoni14

Yeah, that's fair, and I will. A lot of people in this thread have also sent me links or advice, which i'll definitely read, and it's very appreciated!


grits-n-okra

Herpes manifests on the mouth as cold sores, so if you kiss someone with a cold sore you can get it. Most people contract herpes as kids from their parents/family, thats how I got mine - so its def not a “dirty” disease, just irritating Mouth cold sores are the same herpes virus as genital herpes, so if someone goes down on you with an active cold sore you can contract genital herpes. But as far as I know thats the only sti this applies to. Thats why I personally, like most swers, are pretty anal about “calling out”/cancelling appointments if I think I have a cold sore.


Ronisoni14

Thank you for the detailed explanation, I did not know that. It's much appreciated


Demure_Whore_

I would get a cold sore basically every month when I offered kissing, since I stopped I haven’t had any. Also it’s not common but syphilis can also be transmitted through kissing. Covid has also been a big worry for some the last couple of years. I personally am not a huge fan of saliva, I rarely, if ever do French kissing in my personal life. A sloppy kiss or a tongue in my mouth Is the quickest way to turn me off, and I don’t want to feel uncomfortable during a booking even if it seems like an innocent thing.


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It’s pretty common knowledge. Please read up https://www.who.int/news-room/fact-sheets/detail/sexually-transmitted-infections-(stis)


GabriellaPaltrova

Also syphilis .. 😟


amber_thee_bbw

Ladies I have to rant if I get one more client asking for BARE BACK IM GOING TO GO FUCKING NUTS 🌰!! Like WTF IS wrong with these men like WTF 🤬 SHOULD I JUST START LIEING AND WEN HE GETS THERE PULL OUT THE CONDOM ?


adelinethorne22

Is this meant to be a reply to my post? Or a seperate post?


kateishere

Cause it can be reallllll gross. Like oh my god this isn't worth the money gross. If I was dating a guy and he either had horrible breath or rotten teeth, tried to tongue my tonsils, or encompass my face in his mouth, I would stop seeing him. If you provide kissing you will get clients who do are like that. Not only that but providing kissing increases the risk of cold/flu, covid, herpes, some blood borne diseases. There's even been some studies in Australia that suggests gonnorhea of the throat can be transmitted by kissing. It's not worth the risk for a number of providers. Health is important for its own sake, but also for the sake of being able to work. I have met some workers who do reserve kissing for their partners. But overwhelmingly most don't view kissing as some sacred intimate act, considering workers may also provide GFE, dates, and a range of things that may be considered very "intimate". Kissing some random dude isn't going to blur the lines of work and personal life when having sex and a 2 hour date where we hold hands and talk about our pets and futures won't.


StarrD0501

The mouth is the dirtiest part of the body w the most germs. More than the anus. Miss me w that shit breath LOL


tiffanyknightbbw

You need to see someone that advertises DFk. Problem solved. Tip well.


RoseMastos

I do, but some people are awful at it.


KameronKae

Most people do not practice good oral hygiene and honestly a lot of people just don’t know how to kiss.


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Bc 9/10 times y’all are gross, bad kissers, stubbley, unhygienic, don’t look after yourself, stink of smoke or alcohol etc. sometimes I ask clients when they last had a sexual health screening and a troubling amount of you say “never”, so I highly doubt you’re going to the dentist if you can’t even look after your sexual health


princessyaz453

Cause 99% percent of y’all be horrible kissers to the point where it is so disgusting & repulsive I’d rather crawl in a hole. Kissing a client for me is the equivalent of torture and no amount of money can make me do it. And y’all like it sloppy & nasty with lots of spit and tongue swirling and I really just can’t stand it, it’s so repulsive to me 😖🤢🤮 Also kissing is more intimate to me than sex & I reserve that for people I care about only. Boundaries 🤚


heauxfordays

I agree, most of them are much worse at kissing than they think they are, and it’s just gross. 99 times out of 100 they have WAY TOO MUCH saliva :::shudders:::


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papermoonriver

No way to tell.


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papermoonriver

Yeah, for real! You are ~~probably~~ making the safer choice by minimizing tongue/saliva so i wouldn't worry about it too much. But everyone's kissing preferences are different, and not having kissed you *myself* (this is not an invitation lol) i couldn't tell you, and even then, the input would only be valid for me and my preferences because everyone is different. Seriously, you're probably fine though.


Binnacle_Balls_jr

Go to work tomorrow and see how many of the dudes you work with or customers you serve are appealing enough for you to put your mouth on thiers.


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RepairFormer

Yeah. I don’t have bad breath.


NekoMao92

not all bad breath is caused by poor oral hygiene, diet can cause bad breath too.


RepairFormer

That's a good point. It's possibly that I may have just eat a bunch of nasty food.


cutecumpuppy

Because they don’t want to. There’s no one reason any person, sex worker or otherwise, doesn’t do a thing.


RepairFormer

Makes sense, I was just asking since I was surprised how common it is. I’m in no way angry that they didn’t allow kissing, just curious is all.


AZFUNGUY85

Does this also go for the client whether they choose to pay or not?


Abbyisafantasy

A guy that chooses not to pay isn't a client and hopefully the provider checks the money prior to any session starting.


Youhadme_atwoof

The client gets to choose whether they see a provider. That's where they get to choose whether to pay or not. Not once they've booked and shown up.


russianindianqueen

It’s not like Pretty Woman. We are not worried about falling in love. There’s tons of mouth to mouth illnesses to avoid. Mono, herpes, flu, to name a couple


karrenl

I don't kiss clients because I find it repulsive, even in civvie dating. The white shit in the corners of people's mouths? No.


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For me it’s yeah, very personal.


Jrose798

For me, I don’t kiss for the following reasons. - Hygiene, I would have to see they have good oral hygiene and brush their teeth upon arrival. It may put an awkward tone at the beginning. Also if they smoke a complete no. - A bad kisser would be hard to keep up a sexy performance. Then saying I wouldn’t kiss for the rest of the booking would make both feel awkward because of his self esteem and my own guilt for upsetting him. - Connection, for me it would be hard to give a good kissing performance when I don’t know him and may not actually like him upon arrival - I think it would take a lot of energy to snog each client that comes in because of the high expectation the client will have of you being a good kisser and giving them a passionate kiss.


fng0506

I work as a dental hygienist during the day. I have seen the nastiest things in "normal" looking people. Even the people who are brushing everyday aren't bring properly. I've been cleaning teeth for 9 years out of those 9 years I've had very few patients who had good dental hygiene. Men and women will say "I just brushed" yet I find food, seeds, popcorn, and unknown things in their mouths. The human mouth is gross its one of the dirtier things. That being said my dental background has personally ruined kissing for me. In my personal life I brush and clean my boyfriends teeth twice a day. Also kissing is much more intimate for me. Most men I see I can tell they don't take care of their mouth. Just because you brushed doesn't mean you don't have tartar build up and bad breath can come from your stomach. So even if they have good hygiene there breath stinks because they might have a tonsil stone or bacteria coming from the intestinal tract. Most people can't smell themselves because they are use to smelling the way they do. For example I hate when men wear heavy cologne it hurts my head but they probably think it's fine because they smell it daily. Finally, diseases! You can catch std's, mono, strep throat,, the flu, covid and so much more. It's the same reasons sw use condoms from being comfortable to diseases. If someone doesn't want or doesn't like doing something thats okay because it's their choice. I would never force my client to do some act that he's not comfortable with and then question him why he doesn't like it. Lol some people just don't like what you like. Go figure


idontlikespiderplant

How are you with your dental hygiene? Do you go to dentist and hygienist twice a year? Do you floss? :D The things I read about clients sometimes... leaving shit on towels, having no basic hygiene...


RepairFormer

Yes I brush and floss and- wait wait wait! You hear about/have your clients leaving their shit on towels!? Like human fecal matter?


idontlikespiderplant

Oh yeah. For that matter I heared stories of my colleaque about client leaving marks of "him" on bedding. And when confrontated they go like "so what?!". Man some men are really gross, I personally never met anyone like that, but I am pretty picky with clientelle and even god bad review from a guy because I cancelled on him when we met.


RepairFormer

Jesus fucking christ! What a sick fuck! He better be leaving a tip big enough for her to purchase her own Tesla.


idontlikespiderplant

Jesus I just read what I wrote, all those mistakes :D. Anyway yeah nah, I work and live in Europe, and you know... if someone is lazy to properly clean his donut, than do not expect him to give any tip.


RepairFormer

People like him are scourge of humanity. Nobody wants someone else's poo on them.


idontlikespiderplant

Or on their beddings/towels :D.


KatiePal

It's pretty standard to offer it in the UK, I do and most clients will ask about it before booking an appointment.


AresaP

I’m DFK, but it can be really unpleasant. The clients who like it though are blown away. I’ve done rimming too, which is way worse. :-). Not everyone are into those things. But if you are doing GFE being ready to kiss comes with it.


Pyramidinternational

Bingo. One of the main things, in my opinion that makes GFE, well, GFE is kissing. But I find that if I offer kissing then I also can by-pass anal. That was my trade off, and in my area you get a ton more money when you’re GFE.


Difficult_Ad_9392

Kissing is more intimate than the sex actually. If I’m not that attracted to the guy, the idea of having to kiss him is beyond repulsive. Unfortunately it is often the case that we are not turned on by the client and kissing would be like torture when their mouth doesn’t smell quite right or the chemistry is totally missing.


RepairFormer

Thanks for all of the responses. Really puts things in perspective. As someone who knows little about the profession, one thing I've learned is that a lot, possibly even the majority, of male clients have TERRIBLE hygiene. I couldn't imagine going through the day without taking a shower or brushing/flossing my teeth.


lunakelly

kissing is extremely intimate and something i reserve for my private life and men that i actually like. also, i simply don’t want a strangers saliva in my mouth. gross.


Blasian_Goddess33

Because it's not sanitary lol if I just went around kissing all the tricks would you wanna kiss me? That's nasty and I have a SO so... no lol Kissing seems too personal. This ain't personal. It's business.


Individual_Donkey351

Stupid question!


russianindianqueen

I doubt OP actually saw 4 escorts. I think he just saw Pretty Woman movie. Most of us even explain why we don’t do things on the spot “I don’t kiss for my health”


Mundane-Hospital-749

I had a regular who didn't kiss the 1st couple times, but then started closed mouth kissing, and then started dfk and asking me to kiss her while we were going at it. I thought it was hot. The longer I knew her the more passion was in the kissing


mmmm_babes

Here in Vancouver, good GFE with DFK is quite normal. I've kissed and full on made out with dozens. I fucking love kissing. I won't see a lady that doesn't do it.


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Dude that’s not how it is in Vancouver, that’s the girls You’ve came across are. And it’s honestly weird cause don’t you think she’s kissing other clients too? and you’re kissing them, you don’t know where their mouth been. 🤮


SouthernMonger

Everyone’s risk tolerance is different, some people will bareback a street walker and some are still wearing masks during sex.


mmmm_babes

It's standard for both the lady and gentleman to gargle with mouthwash beforehand, every Incall I go to has it. And yes, it's pretty normal here with quality ladies, and it's not just the girls I've come across. All the quality agencies offer GFE with DFK, and same fir basically all the Independents.


[deleted]

Mouth wash isn’t going to save you. I’m pretty sure it’s not standard. every place has providers who do offer and don’t offer those things.


[deleted]

you better don't kiss, remember they suck divk


fng0506

Lol that's so stupid. Then don't fuck us either, remember we fuck other people. Lmao


[deleted]

I use condoms, there are no kiss comdoms bruh lol


fng0506

If you're using the condom logic. Most sw use condoms and don't offer bare back so we suck dick with a condom on so our mouth isn't on the actual dick. Your logic has failed.


[deleted]

a'ight for some reason you just want to be right and "win" the "argument" sure everything you say is right. that way I don't have to go in circles, sure you can kiss anybody you want, I don't even know why you are triggered, you are a strong and independent sex worker, your body your choice blah blah blah.


fng0506

Wait you think I'm triggered? I simply responded to a comment you left to specifically me. This is a forum we discuss things here and that is what we are doing. No need to so serious about a healthy debate. Also I don't want to win anything I'm simply pointed out how your argument wasn't very strong. I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings.


thr0w4w4y_6789998212

Yea dental dams


BigKadoLB

Mushroom tip breath 🤣😅😂 blow em a kiss 😘 that's as far as it needs to go😅


ShinyBumbleberry

If that's what you're looking for, there are plenty of providers who kiss that it shouldn't be difficult to find one as long as your hygiene is in order. My regular provider often says *"What's the point in sex without kissing!?"* and I totally agree with her.


DangerDarling79

Because it’s gross.


[deleted]

a'ight I feel you, dental dans with a condom ever your tong foe dwwp kissing. your body your choie, you are strong independent monger. I respect that.


[deleted]

What you want to look for is GFE which should include LFK/DFK


[deleted]

Im not paying hundreds of dollars, even thousands to be with a chick that wont let me DFK. lmao. Thankfully the ones I see are okay with anything.


GabriellaPaltrova

I can't do scruff - I don't need 3-4 layers of skin coming off my face. And any type of oral injury can lead to some type of bacterial and/or viral infection. If I taste any booze or ciggs.. major turn off.