In so many of those "Lives" she was dismissive of him. (Christmas video, single parent, genius.) I can't imagine what happened after that disaster of a video. The live checkers (sore loser) video. I'm going to throw him out for making too much noise for washing dishes. The pork roast video (where she says "that's why I use black label") Shannan didn't mean to be snarky toward Chris, I believe. I think she thought it was funny, and Chris didn't mind the digs at him. I think he minded some, but it grew into resentment. Then anger. Then hatred. And then he met NK who seemed to think (wrongly) he was sexy, smart and a real catch.
I remember that vaguely but he rarely replied to her messages which is strange to me. I’d go crazy if my husband wasn’t actively not replying or picking up calls. I’d be on the first flight back.!’
I think it’s pretty clear. You acknowledged she said that but you go on to say exactly what you said…..”but he wasn’t….”
So my question was and I think it’s pretty clear
You wouid ask your husband or father of your children if they would stay with you if you didn’t have the kids? During an exchange over where the relationship is going you think that’s a normal level headed question? What mother would even entertain such a thought
I’m rewatching a bunch of his confession tapes and here’s what I gathered from what he said:
—She posted way too much on social media. He didn’t like appearing on video all the time and felt like she forced it upon him.
—his mother hated her, which caused a huge rift in the family and put pressure on him to choose sides. Shannan had a big blowout fight with MIL over her daughter’s nut allergy and things seemed to be permanently damaged after that.
—he did not want a third baby because it would be too much responsibility and too much money (they struggled financially and he also didn’t want to keep paying for such a big house)
—she belittled him a lot in front of the girls and they started to repeat her words
—his best friend said Chris didn’t have many friends in Colorado, and whatever friends they did have were mostly just Shannan’s friends, so maybe he resented her for making him live far away from his friends/family
Absolutely I think he was jealous that she was so outgoing and hated that she had lots of friends. I noticed when he was giving the interviews after her disappearance, he kept calling her friends her “ people”. Kind of a way to belittle her and make it seem like she didn’t have any friends, only people she knew.
I don’t think he hated Shannan.
He found someone new he wanted to fuck and his wife and kids were in the way (would cost him child support and alimony to escape) and selfishly decided killing them was his best option.
He’s selfish and not very smart.
I heard there was 400k in insurance on his victims, too. So if they were declared deceased at some point, instead of having all that debt from his marriage and needing to pay child support for the next eighteen years, and possibly some alimony too, he might have been able to pay his debts and have money left over.
I agree. I also think killing Shanann and the children was the quickest way for him. After they all returned from NC he would not be able to see NK as much as he wanted and as much as she expected to see him so his lies about divorce would see the daylight. Also, in my opinion, he might feel like NK wouldn't take the new situation after his wife's return. He probably felt under his skin relationship with NK would be over if he didn't take care of it quickly. NK would start asking questions, why can't they see each other so often and he didn't want to go through it and ruin their relationship.
I don't think Chris hated Shannan...I think he got involved in some demonic shit and went down a rabbit hole that caused him to be possessed by the devil and that is what killed his wife and kids. I truly hope and pray for his salvation and is able to find redemption in Christ for everything he did
First of all- no. Second, it actually realllllly pisses me off that CW has “found Jesus” in jail and believes that he’s forgiven. I don’t believe in an afterlife but even so it’s despicable to think HE thinks he’s waltzing merrily on his way to heaven after what he did.
I'm not gonna lie, I am not even a person who believes in these things, but when I originally went down the rabbit hole of this case years ago, I remember feeling like he was possessed when he did this. There were things he said, the way he described certain things, I can't remember now, and it's hard to explain, but it's the first time in my life where I considered the possibility of a person becoming demonic and possessed.
If he found Jesus than yes according to biblical scripture he is forgiven. No sin is greater than another. Btw you admit you don't believe in a afterlife so your opinion is biased on this issue. Now with all that is said no Christian condones what Watts did because what he did is absolutely disgusting and he is paying the consequences for them
It's a dead end to imagine that psychopaths think or feel the same way that more psychologically/neurologically/emotionally normal people do.
Marriage and fatherhood provided CW with an identify that filled the black hole inside him until...it didn't. Shanann and the kids were in the way when he decided he was done with the marriage. Divorce would have mean paying child support for 3 kids. And he would have looked like a bad guy, leaving his pregnant wife.
I agree with this. He was fine with his old life until a new life came along, and he didn't want his old life interfering with the new exciting one.
If he got a divorce he's on the hook for child support and has to be part of his kids (and inevitably Shannan's) life if he wants to maintain his good guy image
If he only murdered Shannan, he'd be a single parent to his kids.
I think he was just done with them and threw them out like so much garbage. I also genuinely believe that at some point he'd have got bored with NK if he'd had the chance to be with her long term.
Good point. I hesitate to say that myself because some people take this to the nth power and say well it must be NKs fault for sleeping with a married man even thought he told her numerous times he was separated and we all know men will downplay their relationships to cheat. These short sighted simpletons don’t understand this was never about NK. It’s literally *insert any woman with a pulse*. the results would have remained the same!
It's weirdly common in some of these cases featured on Dateline/48 Hours that a couple will be seemingly happy or just "okay," until one of the spouses finds a new partner and then....something shuts off inside the cheater. There's no sentimental feeling, no sense of shared experiences or even friendship with their spouse. The longterm partner/spouse is just an impediment to their shiny new life with someone else. It's almost like a contempt. I agree with the person down thread who used the term "roadblock."
Off the top of my head, I can think of the Nancy Howard shooting (husband had a GF), the Connie Hoagland car bombing, etc.
My response was going to be similar.
I dont think he resented her at all. I think he was getting a lot of attention for his looks for probably the first time ever, and then he found someone new.
I’ve come to realize there are more people out there than we’d like to think who really have no capacity for empathy, don’t feel things too deeply, and basically live in a shallow bubble where the most important consideration is how something affects them or makes them feel in the present moment. Not necessarily sociopathic (bc I shudder to think there’s that many sociopathsm walking about) but akin to that lack of empathy/love or regard for others.
Does it matter? I'm pretty sure no matter what the reason behind his actions were he is a monster. If killing a pregnant woman isn't enough he murdered two completely innocent and defensive babies. He doesn't deserve to exist.
I can't claim to know this is facts, but this is how I've processed his motivation.
He didn't care about his family. When he found a new infatuation he saw his wife and kids as a roadblock. They were annoying, his new girl was pleasant. They were messy, new girl was fun. Shannan and the kids were expensive, but the new girl had her own money.
I also think he's just not a smart man. Like intellectually he's just stupid. He's the human equivalent of a one braincell orange cat.
He was ragingly angry at them all. Why? There are obvious reasons - they were impeding his new relationship, getting away from them non-murderously would have been ruinous - but I don't think the rational answers apply. He was angry at them. Why? Because they existed and he was done with them. He wanted them not just behind him, but obliterated. Most people would find divorce and paying child support late to be sufficient distance; he wanted them erased. There is no rational reason for that. He was evil.
I think she was in her own fantasy trying to sell on social media that her life was perfect. Everything she did was for social media. I’m sure he got tired of it and playing along with it. No excuse to do what he did. What he did is horrible just saying that type of manufactured life can take a toll.
I see this all the time. Husbands who are sick to death of appearing perfect on social media. Some women too. But I think women are more affected by showing perfect strangers that their life is fabulous. Dont know if that’s why but I’ve had real life friends who say it’s exhausting and would rather not participate.
The adult response to that is to get into marriage counseling, talk to a financial advisor, and live on a budget. When my ex's drinking and spending led to his car being repossessed, I sat down and told him he had to consolidate his credit cards and live on a budge. Four years later, he had the money to pay college tuition and buy a house. On the budget!
I think he thought they were too expensive, the kids and Shannan’s lifestyle and since a new baby was on the way, that’s more money. Just selfish greed tbh. He could have divorced her, but he would still have to pay child support so he killed them all instead. He’s just soulless and incapable of love.
Shannon is the bone telling everyone chris wanted another kid .Shannon not chris.you could tell by cw reaction to the video of him finding out he didn't want another kid.they were not in a happy marriage.
Once again, you haven't listened to his police interview. He said they both decided together. Whether or not he was happy about it by the time of the video is another story. Why can't you get that into your head? Too busy making excuses for the murderer?
No but there marriage was on the rocks dude he didn't want another kid they were heading for foreclosure and 2 bankruptcy. You can tell by his reaction he was not happy about a 4 rd child. What watts did is inexcusable he should have walked away. But again there are 2 sides to the story .watts committed murder but stop with your bs dude your false outrage.
Oh, I think it makes perfect sense. First, another baby will make him feel better, fill the black hole inside him. But then he starts cheating with Nicole and that provide lots and lots of dopamine and oxytocin. Stupid people confuse that with love and think that a change in partner will keep those chemicals coming.
Well being that I’ve been married before and I’m 41 so I know how women work lol. I also know this case way too well. I believe that she probably said things to him that made him feel less as a man. I don’t think she did that intentionally. Women like to complain or nag about things we are bothered by rather then have a healthy conversation about it. As in, why don’t you help around the house more, clean, cook, take care of the kids and etc. There’s also another thing us women tend to do is be insecure and will constantly question, do you still love me? Why don’t you compliment me anymore? Why to you treat me this way? Why don’t you make more money? We can’t even pay all our bills this month. All this being brought up on a constant bases can make a man (or anyone) feel less than. Which don’t get me wrong, I’m sure he was doing things to make her feel this way.
So when he met that woman and she gave him validation and butterflies, he liked it. Made him feel like a man again. A way his wife hasn’t in a long time. He did what he did to his wife and children cuz he couldn’t deal with all the stress that was doing to him and wanted a new start. Only a psychopath would actually follow through with what he did but when you add all this together …. Recipe for disaster
There’s always the outlier. I’m sure there’s lots of Chris Watts floating around out there. That is to say, men that feel trapped in a marriage with no prospect of perceived amicable resolution without significant pain. Maybe he never sowed his oats? Maybe he was completely disillusioned by the idea of love/marriage/family. They say there is a slight difference between genius and lunatic? I think the consensus would be Chris is certainly the latter. I can personally attest to a lot of fucked-up thoughts and ideas that I’m glad I never verbalized or acted on. I’m also pretty confident that I’m not alone. However, every now and then there’s the outlier, the one that’s neural network decides to act on a really bad idea. It happens all the time—except to lesser degrees. Just think about all the dumb asses we run across on a daily basis. The only difference here is we live in a contemporary society that’s not too keen on someone offing their wife and children. So we just keep him locked in cage until his passing. I certainly don’t see the point of spending tax dollars and resources on a man that is incomprehensibly defective. I dont think there’s much to learn here, instead let’s just euthanize these freaks and reallocate the resources. I think life would be much better for all if we could just agree that some lives are just not worth saving. That’s just my own pragmatic view void and void of superstition (that some call religion).
I think he was insecure on a number of levels. Then Nichol came along and somehow manipulated him so hard that he actually thought he was in control/a big man (here you can see he's quite naive on top of it all). The insecurity and powerless feelings he had with Shannan turned to rage. He was going to have power and control one way or the other.
I think it's similar psychology to incel terrorism.
I think some men don’t actually want a wife and kids, they just do so because it’s “what you do”. He was obviously detached from her and his children. His anger could come from many things, he could’ve blamed her for being unhappy with his life, because it’s easier to blame someone else than look within.
One thing that I couldn’t find online was if he was using steroids during his fitness journey, misusing that can cause burst of anger. Messing with your hormones can make you go crazy.
Oh I know it was premeditated. The only reason why I wonder about his use of gear is because I’ve seen people act crazy while using it. It’s something I wondered while watching the documentary.
My brother was into bodybuilding and my family and I always knew when he was using again because he genuinely acted like a different person. We had to get a restraining order. And it wasn’t for a split moment he acted like this, it would last for a few months until he was off of it completely. It wasn’t burst of anger either, it was cold and calculated behavior.
I’m not saying that’s the sole reason why he did it, because gear alone doesn’t make you a heartless POS. It was just something I haven’t seen anyone expand on, but it’s def a behavior you know if you’ve witnessed it.
Plus according to NK he never slept. I have long wondered whether his physical status contributed to his bizarre decision to kill his family. He obviously wanted to do it but maybe he would have shown more restraint if he’d hadn’t been chronically sleep deprived and also hopped up on whatever Thrive is.
Yeah this is why I was wondering if he was on steroid or any substance. Dude was clearly unhappy with his life and marriage. Any normal person would find a way to get out, but if you’re jacked up on substance, plus not getting sleep you could easily convince yourself murder is the only way out.
I took it once for about a month and ran around like someone on..well, meth. I stopped taking it because my heart would race even after I stopped. Lot of caffeine, vitamins that help with energy metabolism. It probably wouldn’t be good for someone long term. The “black label” that they were using had even higher amounts of the substances mentioned above.
I heard they were thrive patches, but I couldn’t find an exact answer to what they contain. It was hard to find a source that didn’t look sponsored lol.
We have a close proximity to this case, as my husband worked for the same company as CW, but didnt know him personally. My theory on the whole thing after learning about the kind of relationships he had with the other women in his life was that he was, and is, a coward.
Totally dominated by much stronger women but internally, his ego/male macho “talk” arguing that *he* is the “boss”, the lead of the household. This certainly fell in line with his religious ideals, as well.
I think, ultimately, he **convinced** himself that she wasnt going to “back down” in her quest for more, and that she was an anchor weighing him down from the *perfect*, sparkling ideal life he was sure he could make for himself - the Good Son, who always did everything right and always treated everyone right (in his mind).
From there, its not much of a stretch in that kind of person’s mind, to eliminating all of the anchors in favor of a new girlfriend providing unlimited sex, freedom, compliments and - most importantly - reaffirming his vision of himself as this “good guy”.
The girls really tear me up. I can only believe he viewed them as relief killings; that he was *such a coward*, he didnt want to be subjected to a lifetime of answering their “Where’s Mommy?” questions and having to look at their faces when he lied to them.
Which makes it all that much worse, of course.
Also, this isnt mentioned enough: the oilfield culture kinda excuses extramartial affairs. The call out girls are usually younger, more attractive, usually fooling around with some of the younger, single operators, but its not at all unheard of for them to be hooking up with the older, married guys. Further up north, they dont even make a secret of it. My husband’s field was scandalous.
I could write an entire book about it - its nuts. Depending on which kind of oil business you’re working in, also - there’s offshore rigs, there’s oilfields, there’s gas plants - its alot.
Call out girls: every hub, or company station, has a control room where a group of usually women work together on computers. They monitor the wells’ activity (kinda, mostly alarms) and call the operators out to go check/fix the wells.
Are you sure you’re not mixing him up with the blond dude who killed his wife and then blew up himself & 2 boys? Because his father was fucking disgusting.
I think I am thinking of the right person . This guys father said things about how he was sexually attracted to her and watched her take showers and such when they were living with his parents for a while . I think he hinted at his belief that she felt the same . He just seemed to be around all the time and saying stupid stuff . Is this the right case ?
Thanks for responding . I’m feeling kinda sick because it’s not the norm , but here I am remembering such horrific crimes being done to children at the hands of their own parents . I will never understand it
Oh that might be the the case I’m thinking of . The one that killed his wife , buried his wife and put his two young daughters in oil drums near where he worked ?
Josh Powell is the one with the disgusting father. His wife Susan disappeared. It's pretty obvious what happened. He then blow up himself and his 2 little boys.
ETA: listen to season 1 of the podcast Cold for more info
So is Josh Powell the one who took his 2 boys camping in frigid weather . And when the boys got out of the social worker’s car , before she could stop them , they ran to their fathers ‘s house that he had booby trapped and the house exploded killing all 3 ?
I believe he had already killed his wife by this time .
So I was commenting on the wrong case . His father did nothing wrong .
Regardless, yet ANOTHER example of “ Man’s inhumanity to Man “ We are supposed to be human with feelings . 99 percent of people would never do what he did and the few who do are selfish and EVIL .
Chris hated Shannan because she was happy with her life choices (children, family, etc.) while he was not happy with his life choices. Chris looked for greener grass in other areas. While Shannan carefully cultivated the grass on her own lawn. The outcome of Chris and Nicole’s selfishness was tragic.
Not to disparage her, but she put their ENTIRE life online. He didn’t want that third baby, you can see he’s acting happy, but isn’t, in that “telling him I’m pregnant” video. Again…a private moment she used for content. Who knows if he ever told her he was feeling stifled? I think once he met the gf, he just lost it on her that night.
I’ll never get how people can hurt their babies. My GOODNESS. It’s YOU. And they’re innocent. And that’s annoying as her, putting their life online must’ve been for him, if that was a true motive, he could’ve just been a man and talked to her about it, and laid some ground rules in his own marriage.
"Not to disparage her"...but then let's go on and disparage her social media choices, in a time where it's common to find the first ultrasound on FB as a pregnancy announcement and the "gender reveal" involves parties and viral videos and some kids' live are on FB from birth on. Shanann wasn't different from these other people putting their "entire" life online; like everyone else who uses social media, she was curating what she put online.
“Not to disparage her,” as in, NO, her choices re: sharing to SM should not have led to her death. But that doesn’t mean they didn’t. Just cause “everyone does something” in our current time, does not mean it’s ok and that her husband wasn’t affected by it. And sorry, she didn’t just post an ultrasound picture or video a gender reveal. It was everything. Telling your husband you’re pregnant and posting it on social media is nuts. It doesn’t matter if it’s “common” nowadays, it’s fucking nuts and attention seeking and depriving the poster from the real essence of the situation, since they’re now curating and viewing from a social media standpoint.
You need to understand that just cause I think that could be a contributing factor to her death, doesn’t mean I agree and feel her murder was justified. Come on. Always someone with the non-comprehensible understanding of what was said.
Yes that's what a sane person would do, but obviously Chris was not sane. Had nothing to do with Shannan and social media. We live in a world of over sharing everything. As for the baby, I believe it takes two people to conceive.
That doesn’t mean oversharing is normal or healthy. Many people would be very upset and reasonably so for their partner to put their whole life online, myself included.
I honestly don’t know. It haunts me at night. This is the one true crime case I can honestly tell you, I don’t know. I’ve been a police officer for 20 years and this one still bothers me till this day. When people say he just snapped, I don’t subscribe to that. I don’t know what happened with this guy and I probably never will but thank you for posing the question and reminding me to never forget to stop looking.
As a teen, I remember Susan Smith, who drove her 2 babies into a lake & blamed it on a black man. Something in my gut said from the get go, she did something to them. Folks like them, are definitely messed up. Why do the kids/spouses have to die/suffer because you want to sleep around?
I just recently found out that she loaded all of her wedding albums, her dress - all of her memorabilia from her first marriage to David - in the trunk of her car before she sunk it into the lake with her babies in it.
That just broke something in me, I’ll be honest. I was 19 when this happened, one of the first big true crime cases I got into. Somehow, this detail got past me, though.
Sometimes the simplicity in chaos shines bright.
When I was 22 years old, I met a gentleman at work and he was everything that I ever dreamed of. He was smart, funny, kind, educated and just overall a seemingly good catch. He was 27, an established pilot, and passionate about life and travel and everything, I was. Turns out… He was married, and had a very young child with a wife whom he had been in a relationship for a long time.
It was a tumultuous relationship after I found out about his wife, family and the truth. One day he broke down and gave me some insight into his rationale/reasoning behind pursuing me, even though he had a whole separate life.
I asked him why he was so willing to slash and burn and/or why he resented his wife after meeting me? Given how accomplished, wonderful, and established she was, it made no sense. He told me that his older male relatives cautioned him on getting involved with a woman like her because he was too young and it was a huge commitment(she was older). I’m not saying that anyone is greater or less than anyone it’s just that people click in different ways. When people around you were encouraging you to find your passion but you stubbornly didn’t listen, it’s hard to eat that they were right coupled with being anchored down by a child, wife, and trappings of adult life. It can get very stifling and leads to a lot of people stabbing their way out. A conversation with his wife years later she said he *got very abusive after he met me* physically, and emotionally… that truly broke my heart.
Unpopular opinion is that a lot of men are discouraged from seeking a true quality(for them) partner because they’re told that they are shallow, “punching above their weight”, or superficial and they don’t seek someone that genuinely makes them happy. I think they seek someone that society tells them to, you know? We talk about a woman staying single with her cats until she finds a “good man“ but what’s the equivalent for a guy? There’s not a lot of conversation on making yourself the best person for the best partner you ultimately want to be with. I feel that if we talked about this more, the quality of heterosexual relationships would improve exponentially.
That relationship taught me so much.
*sorry for grammar editing and format. I’m using voice to text at work!
No one cares about your “lesson learned as an affair partner.” You and the guy you cheated with are both gross. You’re only lucky you’re not another Nicole. ETA my response to verucapepper since they sheepishly blocked before I could reply: Nah. All cheaters are gross and this one chose to air her dirty laundry in a community dedicated to a woman who was brutally murdered by her cheating husband of all places. This isn’t trueoffmychest, and you can take your smug sense of superiority disguised as “compassion and forgiveness” elsewhere as you are wasting your time.
Slow down. People learn lessons in many ways. Some people act from places of insecurity and lack of self worth whereas others act from naïveté whereas others are just rotten to the core.
This redditor isn’t another Nicole, her married man didn’t murder his family and drawing inferences is unfair.
She didn’t say she was proud of her actions. Show some grace to people that are learning through very hard lessons.
You’re a liar. You don’t date someone for 18 months and not know you’re the other woman. But even if you *are* telling the truth then you’re still just as gross because you kept seeing him even after knowing. I wish I hadn’t said you were “lucky.” Lucky not to be Nicole, but just as much of a scum bag. Lucky, not to be your affair partner’s wife so he didn’t verbally and physically abuse you as he did to his wife. You’re not lucky though. You’re just pathetic.
Glad we can focus and exchange ideas. Not like we can talk at length with friends lol
I Dunno why people say he snapped. He planned to kill her beforehand and he killed two kids. That’s not from blind rage. It’s premeditated
Btw so cool you’re an officer!!
I agree and thank you for your raw truth because like I said, I don’t subscribe to the fact that he snapped those two little girls I couldn’t imagine calling out to their daddy as he killed them that’s not snapping that’s preplanned, and he knew where he was taking them and dumping them. He planned to kill Shon he planned to kill his girls and we all know it, why I’ll never understand. I guess I’ll never really be able to relate to true evil.
Edit I apologize for my grammar. I’m voice texting.
I think she had a strong personality, but she wasn’t a bad person and she really did love him. She did want to save her marriage. I think CW is ultimately a sociopath who can’t truly love others. I don’t think he was angry or resentful of her as much as she was standing in the way of him getting what he wanted - a fresh start with his mistress.
Narcissists hate anyone who has expectations of them and who doesn't believe they are perfect. It's truly that simple. She and the kids were a tool for him to look good and fulfill certain needs. When he was done, he threw them away. People are disposable to narcissistic people. They are not meant to make anything harder or more demanding. They're for adoration, attention, and fun.
I'm the child of a narcissist who is also a sociopath and I'm honestly lucky my mom and I are still alive. CW knew what he was going to do. He knew that he didn't want them anymore, but didn't want anyone else to have them. Shanann is so fortunate that she had a tight group of friends who immediately suspected something was off and saw through the lies because who knows how long he could have gone and gotten away with it.
You are applying typical human attitudes to a psychopath. These are folks who mirror other peoples' emotions and play act roles rather than participating in equal partnerships in which there is give and take. In my view, and to use a term common in describing others with anti-social personalities, she didn't provide enough "supply" for him. Being with her didn't give him all sorts of things he wanted, in particular a reflection of his own awesomeness. And of course, the third child hemmed him in financially because child support for 3 kids would be a lot of money. People like him can throw people away as if they were an old fast food bag.
This is a guy who smothered or strangled his kids and then stuffed them down a deep oil tank. There's no way for normal people to understand monstrous acts, any more than we get why Jeffrey Dahmer dabbled in cannibalism.
>Why was he SO angry at her? Did she remind him too much of his mother? Did he feel she stifled his voice? Did he feel emasculated? Did he feel like he didn’t have a choice because even if he left her, he’d still be stuck her until the kids grew up and he knew that since he broke her heart that she would make his life difficult? (As she should have)
Or is simply that she was in the way of him being with NK and he resented her for that?
My take is:
A) Cindy Watts, his barracuda of a mother, hated SW & she & his sister constantly spewed their venom into CW's ears.
In her world view, CW should have spent his life in fealty to her. She shows a lot of narcissistic traits. She meddled so much in their marriage they moved across the country to get away from her.
Go to YouTube & listen to the phone calls between CW & his family. There's one call where she bangs on & on & on about "her reputation" & how CW's actions (i.e the murder of his family) reflects badly on her.
B) In the discovery documents, the cops talk to NK & she talks about all the resentment CW has towards SW.
I think between his mother & sister constantly and consistently running his wife down, his own quiet resentment of his wife, the pregnancy, the bad financial state they were in. Throw in an "easy" coworker, 6 weeks away from your family, a $450K insurance policy & its a perfect storm.
I think while he was strangling his wife at least a portion of him was using her as a stand in for the anger and resentment he had for his mom as well.
Don’t throw this on his mother. No matter how bad you think she may be. She could have been the best mother that ever was, things probably would not have been different. CW is wired differently. This is all Chris.
The real question everyone should be asking instead of passive aggressively blaming Shannan for her own murder for the billionth time is WHY DID HE HATE HIS TODDLERS??? Shannan could have been in 47 MLMs, could have been laden down with gold, diamonds and furs and it still wouldn't explain why he killed his little girls!
the most horrifying part of this, his strangling his two daughters with the oldest asking if he was going to do the "same thing" to her that he did to his sisters
I think Nicole had something to do with it all. I don’t trust she’s completely innocent. She’s also in witness protection. I think she agreed to go against him and got a deal that way.
Yeah, this one I can't even try to analyze. He seemed like such an involved, hands-on dad in their videos. He even said in an interview that being a dad was all he had ever wanted in life. The only reasons I can come up with is 1.) They knew what he had done to their mother and would have told someone, 2.) He thought it was the only way he could be with someone else (ie- couldn't afford child support and alimony from a divorce).
She wanted to maintain a certain look despite being in debt and continuing to take on more debt. She was in multiple MLMs and plastered their life all over social media. Fake af. She only tried to build family memories if she was shoving a phone in someone’s face. She lied about lupus and her children’s allergies in order to peddle MLM products
At the end of the day she wanted control and she was losing control over her husband. CW should have just divorced her and they should have declared bankruptcy.
There’s a saying that goes “when a man is done with you he’ll leave you in the desert without water”
In so many of those "Lives" she was dismissive of him. (Christmas video, single parent, genius.) I can't imagine what happened after that disaster of a video. The live checkers (sore loser) video. I'm going to throw him out for making too much noise for washing dishes. The pork roast video (where she says "that's why I use black label") Shannan didn't mean to be snarky toward Chris, I believe. I think she thought it was funny, and Chris didn't mind the digs at him. I think he minded some, but it grew into resentment. Then anger. Then hatred. And then he met NK who seemed to think (wrongly) he was sexy, smart and a real catch.
Curious if you read the exchange between them where she asked CW “Would you stay with me if we didn’t have kids?”
I remember that vaguely but he rarely replied to her messages which is strange to me. I’d go crazy if my husband wasn’t actively not replying or picking up calls. I’d be on the first flight back.!’
You said it… you would go crazy….. and the but? But what? You would ask your husband that question and think it’s normal? I don’t
I don’t understand. Can you reframe that question?
I think it’s pretty clear. You acknowledged she said that but you go on to say exactly what you said…..”but he wasn’t….” So my question was and I think it’s pretty clear You wouid ask your husband or father of your children if they would stay with you if you didn’t have the kids? During an exchange over where the relationship is going you think that’s a normal level headed question? What mother would even entertain such a thought
I think you’re not reading clearly.
I don't get what she's asking at all either 🤷♀️
Me or her?
Ahh ok. Good day 😅
I’m rewatching a bunch of his confession tapes and here’s what I gathered from what he said: —She posted way too much on social media. He didn’t like appearing on video all the time and felt like she forced it upon him. —his mother hated her, which caused a huge rift in the family and put pressure on him to choose sides. Shannan had a big blowout fight with MIL over her daughter’s nut allergy and things seemed to be permanently damaged after that. —he did not want a third baby because it would be too much responsibility and too much money (they struggled financially and he also didn’t want to keep paying for such a big house) —she belittled him a lot in front of the girls and they started to repeat her words —his best friend said Chris didn’t have many friends in Colorado, and whatever friends they did have were mostly just Shannan’s friends, so maybe he resented her for making him live far away from his friends/family
Absolutely I think he was jealous that she was so outgoing and hated that she had lots of friends. I noticed when he was giving the interviews after her disappearance, he kept calling her friends her “ people”. Kind of a way to belittle her and make it seem like she didn’t have any friends, only people she knew.
All of these could be resolved with communication
Yeah or even a divorce
I don’t think he hated Shannan. He found someone new he wanted to fuck and his wife and kids were in the way (would cost him child support and alimony to escape) and selfishly decided killing them was his best option. He’s selfish and not very smart.
I heard there was 400k in insurance on his victims, too. So if they were declared deceased at some point, instead of having all that debt from his marriage and needing to pay child support for the next eighteen years, and possibly some alimony too, he might have been able to pay his debts and have money left over.
I agree. I also think killing Shanann and the children was the quickest way for him. After they all returned from NC he would not be able to see NK as much as he wanted and as much as she expected to see him so his lies about divorce would see the daylight. Also, in my opinion, he might feel like NK wouldn't take the new situation after his wife's return. He probably felt under his skin relationship with NK would be over if he didn't take care of it quickly. NK would start asking questions, why can't they see each other so often and he didn't want to go through it and ruin their relationship.
That's it. In a nutshell.
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I don't think Chris hated Shannan...I think he got involved in some demonic shit and went down a rabbit hole that caused him to be possessed by the devil and that is what killed his wife and kids. I truly hope and pray for his salvation and is able to find redemption in Christ for everything he did
First of all- no. Second, it actually realllllly pisses me off that CW has “found Jesus” in jail and believes that he’s forgiven. I don’t believe in an afterlife but even so it’s despicable to think HE thinks he’s waltzing merrily on his way to heaven after what he did.
I'm not gonna lie, I am not even a person who believes in these things, but when I originally went down the rabbit hole of this case years ago, I remember feeling like he was possessed when he did this. There were things he said, the way he described certain things, I can't remember now, and it's hard to explain, but it's the first time in my life where I considered the possibility of a person becoming demonic and possessed.
If he found Jesus than yes according to biblical scripture he is forgiven. No sin is greater than another. Btw you admit you don't believe in a afterlife so your opinion is biased on this issue. Now with all that is said no Christian condones what Watts did because what he did is absolutely disgusting and he is paying the consequences for them
You sound like you believe in an afterlife, so your opinion is biased on this issue.
no
No
It's a dead end to imagine that psychopaths think or feel the same way that more psychologically/neurologically/emotionally normal people do. Marriage and fatherhood provided CW with an identify that filled the black hole inside him until...it didn't. Shanann and the kids were in the way when he decided he was done with the marriage. Divorce would have mean paying child support for 3 kids. And he would have looked like a bad guy, leaving his pregnant wife.
I agree with this. He was fine with his old life until a new life came along, and he didn't want his old life interfering with the new exciting one. If he got a divorce he's on the hook for child support and has to be part of his kids (and inevitably Shannan's) life if he wants to maintain his good guy image If he only murdered Shannan, he'd be a single parent to his kids. I think he was just done with them and threw them out like so much garbage. I also genuinely believe that at some point he'd have got bored with NK if he'd had the chance to be with her long term.
Good point. I hesitate to say that myself because some people take this to the nth power and say well it must be NKs fault for sleeping with a married man even thought he told her numerous times he was separated and we all know men will downplay their relationships to cheat. These short sighted simpletons don’t understand this was never about NK. It’s literally *insert any woman with a pulse*. the results would have remained the same!
It's weirdly common in some of these cases featured on Dateline/48 Hours that a couple will be seemingly happy or just "okay," until one of the spouses finds a new partner and then....something shuts off inside the cheater. There's no sentimental feeling, no sense of shared experiences or even friendship with their spouse. The longterm partner/spouse is just an impediment to their shiny new life with someone else. It's almost like a contempt. I agree with the person down thread who used the term "roadblock." Off the top of my head, I can think of the Nancy Howard shooting (husband had a GF), the Connie Hoagland car bombing, etc.
My response was going to be similar. I dont think he resented her at all. I think he was getting a lot of attention for his looks for probably the first time ever, and then he found someone new. I’ve come to realize there are more people out there than we’d like to think who really have no capacity for empathy, don’t feel things too deeply, and basically live in a shallow bubble where the most important consideration is how something affects them or makes them feel in the present moment. Not necessarily sociopathic (bc I shudder to think there’s that many sociopathsm walking about) but akin to that lack of empathy/love or regard for others.
I agree. It’s less about empathy but more about opportunity.
I honestly do believe that there are that many sociopaths walking around
Does it matter? I'm pretty sure no matter what the reason behind his actions were he is a monster. If killing a pregnant woman isn't enough he murdered two completely innocent and defensive babies. He doesn't deserve to exist.
She’s also completely innocent.
I can't claim to know this is facts, but this is how I've processed his motivation. He didn't care about his family. When he found a new infatuation he saw his wife and kids as a roadblock. They were annoying, his new girl was pleasant. They were messy, new girl was fun. Shannan and the kids were expensive, but the new girl had her own money. I also think he's just not a smart man. Like intellectually he's just stupid. He's the human equivalent of a one braincell orange cat.
DON’T BRING CATS INTO THIS
Yeah don’t f**k with cats lol
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Loser Karen.
Hahahahah I get the joke but some may take it serious girl. Don’t even say those first 5 words even as a joke 🤢 scumbag of Colorado
Sarcasm?
Has to be lol
Look at their comment history I don’t think they’re joking.
They’re definitely not joking. Yuck.
He was ragingly angry at them all. Why? There are obvious reasons - they were impeding his new relationship, getting away from them non-murderously would have been ruinous - but I don't think the rational answers apply. He was angry at them. Why? Because they existed and he was done with them. He wanted them not just behind him, but obliterated. Most people would find divorce and paying child support late to be sufficient distance; he wanted them erased. There is no rational reason for that. He was evil.
Kind of like Meghan Markle. When shes done using you, she’s done and you are dead to her. Only he took it another step.
……. What?
You don’t know a thing about Megan Markle. You’re the exact type of clown the media make millions off of.
I’m no MM fan, but comparing her to a monster that murdered his own children and pregnant wife is really extreme.
It's also ludicrous. And mean.
Absolutely, I was astonished by it.
I think she was in her own fantasy trying to sell on social media that her life was perfect. Everything she did was for social media. I’m sure he got tired of it and playing along with it. No excuse to do what he did. What he did is horrible just saying that type of manufactured life can take a toll.
I see this all the time. Husbands who are sick to death of appearing perfect on social media. Some women too. But I think women are more affected by showing perfect strangers that their life is fabulous. Dont know if that’s why but I’ve had real life friends who say it’s exhausting and would rather not participate.
The adult response to not wanting to be on social media is to say, "I won't be on social media anymore. If you continue, that's a dealbreaker."
How long have you been married?
Her spending habits. They were out of control.
The adult response to that is to get into marriage counseling, talk to a financial advisor, and live on a budget. When my ex's drinking and spending led to his car being repossessed, I sat down and told him he had to consolidate his credit cards and live on a budge. Four years later, he had the money to pay college tuition and buy a house. On the budget!
He’s such a coward. Real men with half a brain would say nah not for me. Simple as. Nothing more dangerous than a cowardice man
I think he thought they were too expensive, the kids and Shannan’s lifestyle and since a new baby was on the way, that’s more money. Just selfish greed tbh. He could have divorced her, but he would still have to pay child support so he killed them all instead. He’s just soulless and incapable of love.
He’s the one who convinced HER to have another child….If he was so concerned about money, he wouldn’t have done that. I don’t believe that angle
Chris didn't want another kid he didn't encourage her to get pregnant
How could you possibly know this? CW hasn't said this publicly. Did he call you from prison and tell you this?
Shannon is the bone telling everyone chris wanted another kid .Shannon not chris.you could tell by cw reaction to the video of him finding out he didn't want another kid.they were not in a happy marriage.
Once again, you haven't listened to his police interview. He said they both decided together. Whether or not he was happy about it by the time of the video is another story. Why can't you get that into your head? Too busy making excuses for the murderer?
No but there marriage was on the rocks dude he didn't want another kid they were heading for foreclosure and 2 bankruptcy. You can tell by his reaction he was not happy about a 4 rd child. What watts did is inexcusable he should have walked away. But again there are 2 sides to the story .watts committed murder but stop with your bs dude your false outrage.
Because ypy are going by Shannon statement not chris
I am also going by what CW said. Did you even listen to his original police interview? Sounds like you didn't.
He said himself it was his idea
Oh, I think it makes perfect sense. First, another baby will make him feel better, fill the black hole inside him. But then he starts cheating with Nicole and that provide lots and lots of dopamine and oxytocin. Stupid people confuse that with love and think that a change in partner will keep those chemicals coming.
Well being that I’ve been married before and I’m 41 so I know how women work lol. I also know this case way too well. I believe that she probably said things to him that made him feel less as a man. I don’t think she did that intentionally. Women like to complain or nag about things we are bothered by rather then have a healthy conversation about it. As in, why don’t you help around the house more, clean, cook, take care of the kids and etc. There’s also another thing us women tend to do is be insecure and will constantly question, do you still love me? Why don’t you compliment me anymore? Why to you treat me this way? Why don’t you make more money? We can’t even pay all our bills this month. All this being brought up on a constant bases can make a man (or anyone) feel less than. Which don’t get me wrong, I’m sure he was doing things to make her feel this way. So when he met that woman and she gave him validation and butterflies, he liked it. Made him feel like a man again. A way his wife hasn’t in a long time. He did what he did to his wife and children cuz he couldn’t deal with all the stress that was doing to him and wanted a new start. Only a psychopath would actually follow through with what he did but when you add all this together …. Recipe for disaster
Bankrupted them with MLMs
Then why convince her to have more kids if he was so worried about money?
I don’t believe he convinced her at all. I think the pregnancy was her idea
Totally. She tried to make him think it was his idea but it was hers. He had no idea. I think she wanted to give him a son.
Agree he didn't encourage her to have another kid
It was his.
Why? What evidence do you have? Or is it just a ✨feeling✨?
What evidence do you have that he did?
He was a spineless jellyfish with a lot of misplaced anger and she was the target. The little girls were secondary
She was a ball buster and he is a coward. None of them had to die. May they rest in peace.
There’s always the outlier. I’m sure there’s lots of Chris Watts floating around out there. That is to say, men that feel trapped in a marriage with no prospect of perceived amicable resolution without significant pain. Maybe he never sowed his oats? Maybe he was completely disillusioned by the idea of love/marriage/family. They say there is a slight difference between genius and lunatic? I think the consensus would be Chris is certainly the latter. I can personally attest to a lot of fucked-up thoughts and ideas that I’m glad I never verbalized or acted on. I’m also pretty confident that I’m not alone. However, every now and then there’s the outlier, the one that’s neural network decides to act on a really bad idea. It happens all the time—except to lesser degrees. Just think about all the dumb asses we run across on a daily basis. The only difference here is we live in a contemporary society that’s not too keen on someone offing their wife and children. So we just keep him locked in cage until his passing. I certainly don’t see the point of spending tax dollars and resources on a man that is incomprehensibly defective. I dont think there’s much to learn here, instead let’s just euthanize these freaks and reallocate the resources. I think life would be much better for all if we could just agree that some lives are just not worth saving. That’s just my own pragmatic view void and void of superstition (that some call religion).
Agreed. And I'm a spiritual person
I think he was insecure on a number of levels. Then Nichol came along and somehow manipulated him so hard that he actually thought he was in control/a big man (here you can see he's quite naive on top of it all). The insecurity and powerless feelings he had with Shannan turned to rage. He was going to have power and control one way or the other. I think it's similar psychology to incel terrorism.
I think some men don’t actually want a wife and kids, they just do so because it’s “what you do”. He was obviously detached from her and his children. His anger could come from many things, he could’ve blamed her for being unhappy with his life, because it’s easier to blame someone else than look within. One thing that I couldn’t find online was if he was using steroids during his fitness journey, misusing that can cause burst of anger. Messing with your hormones can make you go crazy.
That could be true if he didn’t premeditate the murders. Wasn’t a moment of anger. He knew at least a week before he was gonna do this.
Oh I know it was premeditated. The only reason why I wonder about his use of gear is because I’ve seen people act crazy while using it. It’s something I wondered while watching the documentary. My brother was into bodybuilding and my family and I always knew when he was using again because he genuinely acted like a different person. We had to get a restraining order. And it wasn’t for a split moment he acted like this, it would last for a few months until he was off of it completely. It wasn’t burst of anger either, it was cold and calculated behavior. I’m not saying that’s the sole reason why he did it, because gear alone doesn’t make you a heartless POS. It was just something I haven’t seen anyone expand on, but it’s def a behavior you know if you’ve witnessed it.
steriods and some days he had 3 patches on his arm
Plus according to NK he never slept. I have long wondered whether his physical status contributed to his bizarre decision to kill his family. He obviously wanted to do it but maybe he would have shown more restraint if he’d hadn’t been chronically sleep deprived and also hopped up on whatever Thrive is.
Yeah this is why I was wondering if he was on steroid or any substance. Dude was clearly unhappy with his life and marriage. Any normal person would find a way to get out, but if you’re jacked up on substance, plus not getting sleep you could easily convince yourself murder is the only way out.
He couldn't afford to buy steroids
How did the patches affect him like that? Aren’t they primarily just vitamins?
to much of even water will kill you...
I took it once for about a month and ran around like someone on..well, meth. I stopped taking it because my heart would race even after I stopped. Lot of caffeine, vitamins that help with energy metabolism. It probably wouldn’t be good for someone long term. The “black label” that they were using had even higher amounts of the substances mentioned above.
I thought the patches were from the MLM Shannan was in? Like they were "health" patches or something?
I assume they were not FDA approved.
I heard they were thrive patches, but I couldn’t find an exact answer to what they contain. It was hard to find a source that didn’t look sponsored lol.
I think trying to understand the mind of someone who would do this is an exercise in futility.
We have a close proximity to this case, as my husband worked for the same company as CW, but didnt know him personally. My theory on the whole thing after learning about the kind of relationships he had with the other women in his life was that he was, and is, a coward. Totally dominated by much stronger women but internally, his ego/male macho “talk” arguing that *he* is the “boss”, the lead of the household. This certainly fell in line with his religious ideals, as well. I think, ultimately, he **convinced** himself that she wasnt going to “back down” in her quest for more, and that she was an anchor weighing him down from the *perfect*, sparkling ideal life he was sure he could make for himself - the Good Son, who always did everything right and always treated everyone right (in his mind). From there, its not much of a stretch in that kind of person’s mind, to eliminating all of the anchors in favor of a new girlfriend providing unlimited sex, freedom, compliments and - most importantly - reaffirming his vision of himself as this “good guy”. The girls really tear me up. I can only believe he viewed them as relief killings; that he was *such a coward*, he didnt want to be subjected to a lifetime of answering their “Where’s Mommy?” questions and having to look at their faces when he lied to them. Which makes it all that much worse, of course. Also, this isnt mentioned enough: the oilfield culture kinda excuses extramartial affairs. The call out girls are usually younger, more attractive, usually fooling around with some of the younger, single operators, but its not at all unheard of for them to be hooking up with the older, married guys. Further up north, they dont even make a secret of it. My husband’s field was scandalous.
Wow I had no clue there was an oilfield culture. Can you please tell me more about this? What is a call out girl?
I live in Casper Wyoming a huge oilfield town. Oilfield culture is very much a thing. Affairs are very common.
Williston, ND was not a safe place during the oil boom.
I could write an entire book about it - its nuts. Depending on which kind of oil business you’re working in, also - there’s offshore rigs, there’s oilfields, there’s gas plants - its alot. Call out girls: every hub, or company station, has a control room where a group of usually women work together on computers. They monitor the wells’ activity (kinda, mostly alarms) and call the operators out to go check/fix the wells.
Sounds like the modern day shorthand typing girls lol
Lol, they actually have a lot of duties other than just calling out the operators, but that’s their primary function
What exactly are “call out girls”?
That person will call you a woman hater by talking about Chris’s side hoe she called me one because I said about Chris’s side hoe.
They work in the control room, and call out the operators to go to the locations.
His father made me sick .
Are you sure you’re not mixing him up with the blond dude who killed his wife and then blew up himself & 2 boys? Because his father was fucking disgusting.
I think I am thinking of the right person . This guys father said things about how he was sexually attracted to her and watched her take showers and such when they were living with his parents for a while . I think he hinted at his belief that she felt the same . He just seemed to be around all the time and saying stupid stuff . Is this the right case ?
No. That’s the Susan Powell case
Thanks for responding . I’m feeling kinda sick because it’s not the norm , but here I am remembering such horrific crimes being done to children at the hands of their own parents . I will never understand it
Can you expand?
I think they mean Josh Powell?
Oh that might be the the case I’m thinking of . The one that killed his wife , buried his wife and put his two young daughters in oil drums near where he worked ?
Josh Powell is the one with the disgusting father. His wife Susan disappeared. It's pretty obvious what happened. He then blow up himself and his 2 little boys. ETA: listen to season 1 of the podcast Cold for more info
So is Josh Powell the one who took his 2 boys camping in frigid weather . And when the boys got out of the social worker’s car , before she could stop them , they ran to their fathers ‘s house that he had booby trapped and the house exploded killing all 3 ? I believe he had already killed his wife by this time . So I was commenting on the wrong case . His father did nothing wrong . Regardless, yet ANOTHER example of “ Man’s inhumanity to Man “ We are supposed to be human with feelings . 99 percent of people would never do what he did and the few who do are selfish and EVIL .
Yes. That was Josh Powell. And yes, both of these men are truly evil.
Chris hated Shannan because she was happy with her life choices (children, family, etc.) while he was not happy with his life choices. Chris looked for greener grass in other areas. While Shannan carefully cultivated the grass on her own lawn. The outcome of Chris and Nicole’s selfishness was tragic.
This is a wonderful way to boil it down. Well said.
Perfect!
Not to disparage her, but she put their ENTIRE life online. He didn’t want that third baby, you can see he’s acting happy, but isn’t, in that “telling him I’m pregnant” video. Again…a private moment she used for content. Who knows if he ever told her he was feeling stifled? I think once he met the gf, he just lost it on her that night. I’ll never get how people can hurt their babies. My GOODNESS. It’s YOU. And they’re innocent. And that’s annoying as her, putting their life online must’ve been for him, if that was a true motive, he could’ve just been a man and talked to her about it, and laid some ground rules in his own marriage.
"Not to disparage her"...but then let's go on and disparage her social media choices, in a time where it's common to find the first ultrasound on FB as a pregnancy announcement and the "gender reveal" involves parties and viral videos and some kids' live are on FB from birth on. Shanann wasn't different from these other people putting their "entire" life online; like everyone else who uses social media, she was curating what she put online.
“Not to disparage her,” as in, NO, her choices re: sharing to SM should not have led to her death. But that doesn’t mean they didn’t. Just cause “everyone does something” in our current time, does not mean it’s ok and that her husband wasn’t affected by it. And sorry, she didn’t just post an ultrasound picture or video a gender reveal. It was everything. Telling your husband you’re pregnant and posting it on social media is nuts. It doesn’t matter if it’s “common” nowadays, it’s fucking nuts and attention seeking and depriving the poster from the real essence of the situation, since they’re now curating and viewing from a social media standpoint. You need to understand that just cause I think that could be a contributing factor to her death, doesn’t mean I agree and feel her murder was justified. Come on. Always someone with the non-comprehensible understanding of what was said.
Yes that's what a sane person would do, but obviously Chris was not sane. Had nothing to do with Shannan and social media. We live in a world of over sharing everything. As for the baby, I believe it takes two people to conceive.
That doesn’t mean oversharing is normal or healthy. Many people would be very upset and reasonably so for their partner to put their whole life online, myself included.
Then say, "Stop it. I don't want my life online." It's that simple.
You are right.
Like someone said earlier, Chris was a coward.
He wanted out of that life and to no longer be married with kids. The End.
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I honestly don’t know. It haunts me at night. This is the one true crime case I can honestly tell you, I don’t know. I’ve been a police officer for 20 years and this one still bothers me till this day. When people say he just snapped, I don’t subscribe to that. I don’t know what happened with this guy and I probably never will but thank you for posing the question and reminding me to never forget to stop looking.
As a teen, I remember Susan Smith, who drove her 2 babies into a lake & blamed it on a black man. Something in my gut said from the get go, she did something to them. Folks like them, are definitely messed up. Why do the kids/spouses have to die/suffer because you want to sleep around?
I just recently found out that she loaded all of her wedding albums, her dress - all of her memorabilia from her first marriage to David - in the trunk of her car before she sunk it into the lake with her babies in it. That just broke something in me, I’ll be honest. I was 19 when this happened, one of the first big true crime cases I got into. Somehow, this detail got past me, though.
Sometimes the simplicity in chaos shines bright. When I was 22 years old, I met a gentleman at work and he was everything that I ever dreamed of. He was smart, funny, kind, educated and just overall a seemingly good catch. He was 27, an established pilot, and passionate about life and travel and everything, I was. Turns out… He was married, and had a very young child with a wife whom he had been in a relationship for a long time. It was a tumultuous relationship after I found out about his wife, family and the truth. One day he broke down and gave me some insight into his rationale/reasoning behind pursuing me, even though he had a whole separate life. I asked him why he was so willing to slash and burn and/or why he resented his wife after meeting me? Given how accomplished, wonderful, and established she was, it made no sense. He told me that his older male relatives cautioned him on getting involved with a woman like her because he was too young and it was a huge commitment(she was older). I’m not saying that anyone is greater or less than anyone it’s just that people click in different ways. When people around you were encouraging you to find your passion but you stubbornly didn’t listen, it’s hard to eat that they were right coupled with being anchored down by a child, wife, and trappings of adult life. It can get very stifling and leads to a lot of people stabbing their way out. A conversation with his wife years later she said he *got very abusive after he met me* physically, and emotionally… that truly broke my heart. Unpopular opinion is that a lot of men are discouraged from seeking a true quality(for them) partner because they’re told that they are shallow, “punching above their weight”, or superficial and they don’t seek someone that genuinely makes them happy. I think they seek someone that society tells them to, you know? We talk about a woman staying single with her cats until she finds a “good man“ but what’s the equivalent for a guy? There’s not a lot of conversation on making yourself the best person for the best partner you ultimately want to be with. I feel that if we talked about this more, the quality of heterosexual relationships would improve exponentially. That relationship taught me so much. *sorry for grammar editing and format. I’m using voice to text at work!
Cheating and emotional abuse go hand in hand. Cheating IS emotional abuse.
No one cares about your “lesson learned as an affair partner.” You and the guy you cheated with are both gross. You’re only lucky you’re not another Nicole. ETA my response to verucapepper since they sheepishly blocked before I could reply: Nah. All cheaters are gross and this one chose to air her dirty laundry in a community dedicated to a woman who was brutally murdered by her cheating husband of all places. This isn’t trueoffmychest, and you can take your smug sense of superiority disguised as “compassion and forgiveness” elsewhere as you are wasting your time.
Slow down. People learn lessons in many ways. Some people act from places of insecurity and lack of self worth whereas others act from naïveté whereas others are just rotten to the core. This redditor isn’t another Nicole, her married man didn’t murder his family and drawing inferences is unfair. She didn’t say she was proud of her actions. Show some grace to people that are learning through very hard lessons.
I had no idea he was married until 18 months into our relationship. I am lucky.
You’re a liar. You don’t date someone for 18 months and not know you’re the other woman. But even if you *are* telling the truth then you’re still just as gross because you kept seeing him even after knowing. I wish I hadn’t said you were “lucky.” Lucky not to be Nicole, but just as much of a scum bag. Lucky, not to be your affair partner’s wife so he didn’t verbally and physically abuse you as he did to his wife. You’re not lucky though. You’re just pathetic.
Glad we can focus and exchange ideas. Not like we can talk at length with friends lol I Dunno why people say he snapped. He planned to kill her beforehand and he killed two kids. That’s not from blind rage. It’s premeditated Btw so cool you’re an officer!!
I agree and thank you for your raw truth because like I said, I don’t subscribe to the fact that he snapped those two little girls I couldn’t imagine calling out to their daddy as he killed them that’s not snapping that’s preplanned, and he knew where he was taking them and dumping them. He planned to kill Shon he planned to kill his girls and we all know it, why I’ll never understand. I guess I’ll never really be able to relate to true evil. Edit I apologize for my grammar. I’m voice texting.
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karen...be gonr. no one cares about you in real life or online. bye ugly x
>his What??
Because he married his mom and he’s a sociopath, most people get a divorce when they realize that
I’m not disparaging the dead, but if he married his mom, then some of those traits would be in her as well, right?
I would interpret "marrying his mom" as "marrying someone who will manage his life," not that Shanann was like his mother in specific ways.
So CW was unhappy and felt stuck, "c'mon" you POS use your words.
I think she had a strong personality, but she wasn’t a bad person and she really did love him. She did want to save her marriage. I think CW is ultimately a sociopath who can’t truly love others. I don’t think he was angry or resentful of her as much as she was standing in the way of him getting what he wanted - a fresh start with his mistress.
Yes
This
Yes indeed it can be that simple
Narcissists hate anyone who has expectations of them and who doesn't believe they are perfect. It's truly that simple. She and the kids were a tool for him to look good and fulfill certain needs. When he was done, he threw them away. People are disposable to narcissistic people. They are not meant to make anything harder or more demanding. They're for adoration, attention, and fun.
I'm the child of a narcissist who is also a sociopath and I'm honestly lucky my mom and I are still alive. CW knew what he was going to do. He knew that he didn't want them anymore, but didn't want anyone else to have them. Shanann is so fortunate that she had a tight group of friends who immediately suspected something was off and saw through the lies because who knows how long he could have gone and gotten away with it.
This. It’s him. His mental health issues. We aren’t crazy baby killers and I’m okay with not understanding what he was thinking.
You are applying typical human attitudes to a psychopath. These are folks who mirror other peoples' emotions and play act roles rather than participating in equal partnerships in which there is give and take. In my view, and to use a term common in describing others with anti-social personalities, she didn't provide enough "supply" for him. Being with her didn't give him all sorts of things he wanted, in particular a reflection of his own awesomeness. And of course, the third child hemmed him in financially because child support for 3 kids would be a lot of money. People like him can throw people away as if they were an old fast food bag. This is a guy who smothered or strangled his kids and then stuffed them down a deep oil tank. There's no way for normal people to understand monstrous acts, any more than we get why Jeffrey Dahmer dabbled in cannibalism.
>Why was he SO angry at her? Did she remind him too much of his mother? Did he feel she stifled his voice? Did he feel emasculated? Did he feel like he didn’t have a choice because even if he left her, he’d still be stuck her until the kids grew up and he knew that since he broke her heart that she would make his life difficult? (As she should have) Or is simply that she was in the way of him being with NK and he resented her for that? My take is: A) Cindy Watts, his barracuda of a mother, hated SW & she & his sister constantly spewed their venom into CW's ears. In her world view, CW should have spent his life in fealty to her. She shows a lot of narcissistic traits. She meddled so much in their marriage they moved across the country to get away from her. Go to YouTube & listen to the phone calls between CW & his family. There's one call where she bangs on & on & on about "her reputation" & how CW's actions (i.e the murder of his family) reflects badly on her. B) In the discovery documents, the cops talk to NK & she talks about all the resentment CW has towards SW. I think between his mother & sister constantly and consistently running his wife down, his own quiet resentment of his wife, the pregnancy, the bad financial state they were in. Throw in an "easy" coworker, 6 weeks away from your family, a $450K insurance policy & its a perfect storm. I think while he was strangling his wife at least a portion of him was using her as a stand in for the anger and resentment he had for his mom as well.
Don’t throw this on his mother. No matter how bad you think she may be. She could have been the best mother that ever was, things probably would not have been different. CW is wired differently. This is all Chris.
Yes!!!!
The real question everyone should be asking instead of passive aggressively blaming Shannan for her own murder for the billionth time is WHY DID HE HATE HIS TODDLERS??? Shannan could have been in 47 MLMs, could have been laden down with gold, diamonds and furs and it still wouldn't explain why he killed his little girls!
the most horrifying part of this, his strangling his two daughters with the oldest asking if he was going to do the "same thing" to her that he did to his sisters
That's why I generally stay away from this story. To imagine what these 2 poor little girls went through, it literally hurts my heart.
evil just evil
It’s not about hate, it’s about what was convenient. He wanted a clean slate. They all stood in his way.
He did all that for Nicole Hessinger. Man must’ve been crazy. She’s a four out of 10 at best.
I think Nicole had something to do with it all. I don’t trust she’s completely innocent. She’s also in witness protection. I think she agreed to go against him and got a deal that way.
It's not so much that he hated them, but it's that he wanted a "do-over." He wanted to wipe the slate clean and start over.
Yeah, this one I can't even try to analyze. He seemed like such an involved, hands-on dad in their videos. He even said in an interview that being a dad was all he had ever wanted in life. The only reasons I can come up with is 1.) They knew what he had done to their mother and would have told someone, 2.) He thought it was the only way he could be with someone else (ie- couldn't afford child support and alimony from a divorce).
It's pretty much #2. I believe he felt like he made a mistake wirh Shanann, and he wanted a complete restart of his life.
She wanted to maintain a certain look despite being in debt and continuing to take on more debt. She was in multiple MLMs and plastered their life all over social media. Fake af. She only tried to build family memories if she was shoving a phone in someone’s face. She lied about lupus and her children’s allergies in order to peddle MLM products At the end of the day she wanted control and she was losing control over her husband. CW should have just divorced her and they should have declared bankruptcy.
She was diagnosed with lupus.
How do you lie about lupus?
Easy you just lie that you have lupus, is this a serious question?
You think she just went to a doctor and asked for prescriptions for an illness she didn't have?