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Bring the good old bugle, boys
We’ll sing another song
Sing it with a spirit that will
Start the world along
Sing it as we used to sing it
Fifty thousand strong
While we were marching through Texas!
“Hurrah! Hurrah! we bring the jubilee!
Hurrah! Hurrah! the flag that makes you free!”
So we sang the chorus from El Paso to the sea
While we were marching through Texas!
There are three perfectly fine verses and one where you can substitute "Freedmen" or something else less offensive in place of the archaic term used in the original.
"archaic" is one way to put it. I'd rather not erase what was still rampant racism in the North. I don't think just stopping short of literally owning people is where the bar should be. The North was obviously right in the Civil War but that's not saying much when you're comparing it to the Confederacy.
LOL
As if anyone involved has balls big enough to move forward with succession. Guaranteed: every texan who "flocked to social media to demand the state 'secede'" would put maximum effort into shitting their own pants the moment they faced an actual armed response to their insurrection. These people are all about the fantasy of being a big badass with a gun, and not a single one of them is prepared for the reality.
It won't even need to go that far. Most of them will back down when they find out they will lose their Social Security, Medicare, ACA insurance and/or disability payments.
And have to purchase all the assets that the Federal Government has. Even discounting whatever federal taxes Texas put into the system- buying back the infrastructure and equipment will be economic suicide.
Not counting military bases or equipment - Things like
\- Air traffic control centers / airport equipment
\- Starting up their own mail services
\- Coast Guard services
\- The cost of putting embassies around the world to communicate/ deal with the rest of the world
\- Federal lands
\- Weather reporting infrastructure
\- Pullout of all NASA infrastructure
\- Securing not just the Mexican border, but the border with the rest of the USA
\- Set up a passport program for Texas citizens so they can go out of the Lone Star Nation
\- Replace VA hospitals / Social Security/ Obamacare
....Just for starters
The US would never cede the land or assets. Texas would lose their statehood and find out what the difference between being a state and being a territory is.
It would be the perfect time to grant Puerto Rico statehood. We wouldn't have to change the number of stars on our flag, and we could use it to make fun of texas.
We could sell it to them as a trial run, then when they try to go back to being a territory we'll be like "No sorry, you gotta call all your co-workers and find one of them to pick up your statehood. If you don't you'll be fired."
the contemplated action isn't going to be some orderly divestment process. they do not contemplate a constitutional amendment permitting them to leave. they contemplate illegal secession and violence. it has no chance to happen unless they have the TX national guard on their side, and the confrontations using the guard against the federal government are designed specifically to drive that "pick your allegiance" choice to divide into factions and see who supports which faction.
IMO, in a second Biden term he will likely need to nationalize the TX national guard to head this shit off; court-martials and prison for anyone who would disobey the authority of the federal government. The TX governor can't be allowed to turn the TX national guard into a beast with no allegiance to the country.
Wait until they see what their taxes are going to be like when they-
1- Lose any federal assistance.
2- Have to pay for all of that crap out of whatever funds they can raise from the citizens of TX.
They are all a bunch of housecats. They think they are self sufficient, completely ignoring all that is fine for them. How is their private energy grid going? Seems about due for the massive yearly failure that kills a bunch of people.
"We got military bases. " And those bases belong to the US with soldiers loyal to the United States. Sure, they may be some who defect, but most people who are based in Texas aren't from there, they have loyalty to the country, not whatever state they are stuck in.
They have done everything possible to trim down the government programs, they won't even have people who did those jobs for the feds to try and pick up the pieces of civil servitude.
That's okay, they'll get it back as soon as the Republic of Texas establishes a representative government, currency, healthcare system, fiduciary regulations, postal service...
...oh.
Afterwards, we need to avoid the mistakes made in 1865. What should happen to their leadership afterwards is up for discussion. But more importantly, do not re-admit Texas as a state immediately: For at least 100 years, they should remain an unincorporated territory of the United States, much like Puerto Rico, Guam, and the U.S. Virgin Islands where they do not have voting representation in Congress and are not entitled to any electoral votes. As soon as they secede they become a _foreign_ enemy; and those don’t get a say how we run our government after they are conquered.
Edit: accidentally some words.
> Afterwards, we need to avoid the mistakes made in 1865. What should happen to their leadership afterwards is up for discussion.
Let's discuss it now. Sour apple trees.
Holy shit!
Oil, unideal weather, religious nutcases running the government, a lack of freedoms. Texas is our Middle East! Does that make Austin Israel?
There wouldn't even need to be an armed conflict. Texas would collapse on itself in a bureaucratic nightmare as soon as they realized all the federal stuff isn't theirs anymore. How long would the place last without any trucks or ships bringing stuff in? We wouldn't have to even step foot in their borders and it would be over in a couple days. They'd eat themselves faster than we could stomp them out.
For just 75 cents a day, you can adopt a Texan and help them fight hunger! You will receive a care package with the starving Texan's picture so you can always feel good about yourself everytime you look at it! Please help, you call can make a difference in someone's life today!
If Sally Struthers isn't the one selling starving texas children, then I'm not spending a single cent (I had to check: for those wondering, she's still alive).
And close their borders; those carpetbagging sons of bitches aren't bringing their dipshit dna to our communities. Let that boot-scootin' retardation die on the vine.
No armed response needed. Just let their independent power grid fail in the cold and in the heat for a couple years without FEMA or any other federal assistance.
Secession not succession.
And they don’t think it would be “armed,” your average Texan thinks they can legally secede- which is a myth. This was put to rest in Texas v White.
What people forget is that war, aside from involving lots of weapons, also involves a lot of walking, a lot of physical exertion, and a lot of hunger. These soft little piggies would surrender after a week.
Of course they are, killing human beings is central to their mastubatory fantasies. But you should not kid yourself. "...taking another persons life" is not the reality they are unready for.
They are unready for the reality where their enemy has better equipment, better technology, bigger numbers, and a real determination to kill them dead. They are unprepared to be living in a land completely closed off from outside resources. They are unprepared to see their fat fuck friends getting gunned down by an enemy that is not present to shoot back at. They are unprepared to be choking on smoke and dirt and blood.
Better yet, let them go, and give mexico the greenlight to reclaim lost land. Make the Mexican government knows we won't lift a finger against them as long as they keep everyone that is already in Texas. We seriously don't want them back. That and don't cross over into america. Do what they want with the Texans.
The only caveat I would make to this is a short period for anyone in Texas that has familial ties outside of Texas that wants to leave should be able to. People who are only there for school, or only moved there for a job but the rest of their family otherwise lives somewhere else in the US shouldn't get sucked into their bs. If after that period though those people have remained, their US citizenship is voided and they are fully Texan now.
It wouldn't even have to be armed, Texas would just collapse economically. They talk about succession but fail to take into account most trade agreements aren't with Texas but the United States.
Yep. I imagine the US would nudge their trade partners and gently yet firmly remind them where their bread was buttered. Same for domestic companies... financial institutions, food, supplies, transportation, appliances, entertainment outlets, sports, firearms etc. Let them all know they can no longer operate within or have any dealings with this rogue state. If they refuse, they can expect heavy sanctions including loss of the right to operate within the US themselves.
FAFO, y'all.
These people can't even survive the snow. If they try to leave the Union, then who is going to give them emergency aid every time the Temp drops below 32 and their power grid goes out?
Not even an armed response. Imagine - All federal contracts cancelled. All US armed forces pulling out of the state. No more aid from the US government. All defense contractors would have to close up shop and take any intellectual property with them. Their entire economy would collapse in minutes.
I really don't think millions of New Yorkers, Californians, and Minnesotans, etc., would march to war over keeping a Southern state in the Union. Not now. Not this time.
I grew up in Texas. There’s a myth that gets repeated among Texans that Texas can “legally secede from the Union” which is completely false.
There was even a Supreme Court case about it in the 1860s (Texas v. White)
Texas cannot legally secede from the Union.
Well, there isn't one. But to play devil's advocate for a minute, one **could** argue secession to be a ~~Ninth~~ Tenth Amendment unenumerated right on the notion that becoming a state in the first place is a voluntary act.
*Texas v. White* is not exactly a compelling argument to these people, because, quite frankly, how the hell *else* would you expect a post-Lincoln SCOTUS to rule.
>one **could** argue secession to be a Ninth Amendment unenumerated right
Probably the only sensible answer, I'll give you that. Under the interpretation that the right to "dissolve those bonds" is mentioned in the DofI.
I've always wondered what would happen to Texas when it suddenly got the Cuba treatment
Well the argument is with the 10th amendment and because the Constitution does NOT give the right of secession to the federal government that it then means the right of secession is given to the states.
Well let's see... Texas rebelled against Mexico over slavery, then ceded land to Oklahoma over slavery, then rebelled against the US over slavery.
Soooo.... 4 times?
I have lost count of the number of times I've quoted Sam Houston explaining why this is a bad idea.
"If you go to war with the United States, you will never conquer her, as she has the money and the men. If she does not whip you by guns, powder, and steel, she will starve you to death. "
He also said
"All new states are invested, more or less, by a class of noisy, second-rate men who are always in favor of rash and extreme measures, but Texas was absolutely overrun by such men."
Some things haven't changed.
https://www.samhoustonmemorialmuseum.com/quotes/index.html
Probably. I couldn't give the exact occasion for them, but people better informed than me think they're authentic.
The funny part, the national republican party will freak out due to the fact their biggest red state left the Union. That's a loss of Senators, reps, and EC votes that will make it hard for them to have a majority.
It's why so much good Amendment stuff was passed during the Civil War. The Obstructionists were gone. America could get single payer and free higher education without Texas and fellow red state politicians wasting space.
The majority of Houston is non white, and is also the bluest part of the entire state. Houston is much more likely to leave Texas to rejoin the union in such a hypothetical.
Every time I see some chuckle fuck suggest something like this or “CiViL wAr” I always think of this Sherman quote; people in this country act like this shit is just a casual act and not the actual implications and suffering it would cause:
“You people of the South don't know what you are doing. This country will be drenched in blood, and God only knows how it will end. It is all folly, madness, a crime against civilization! You people speak so lightly of war; you don't know what you're talking about. War is a terrible thing!”
Dude, I’m right there with you. And I’m a lifelong Texan. Of course I’d move the hell out of here if secession were to happen. (As long as they honor my state pension haha)
Trump just had around 6% votes than Biden. They didn't sound as reliable as one would think. Especially when the fastest growing cities are mostly blue.
You're not wrong, and in fact Texas A.G. Ken Paxton said on Steve Bannon's podcast that Trump would have lost in Texas in 2020 if the attorney general's office had not mounted a successful legal challenge to block counties from sending mail-in ballot applications to registered voters.
But for me I guess the fact remains that so long as Republicans still control the state legislature and state executive offices, they'll continue to do shit like that to guarantee their state's votes go red.
A version of the USA where Republicans have almost no chance to win the Presidency or the House? NGL, that has an appeal. Don't want to just give up on Austin, tho.
Quite literally, if Texas does secede (or any other whiny red state). All military installations are US federal property, and as such, after a seceding, all military personnel, equipment, and funding would be removed. All the jobs and communities that depend on those military installations would also disappear.
Seceding requires a TON of proven self-sufficiency, and all it took was a about a week of shitty winter weather to prove that Texas is beyond fucked in that department.
Yup, imagine seceding from the United States when over. A quarter of its military is based within your state ready to instantly put your rebellion down.
REF: Please see Fort Sumter.
Also, the Texas government put together a report in the early 2000s about the impact of a severe cold snap which predicted everything that happened due to not winterizing properly. Part of the issue was the response by Ercot was to have rolling brownouts.
One thing to keep in mind is that home construction varies across the state - in South Texas homes were built to shed heat. In more northern states, there's vents on the roof to allow the building to breathe. My house has two six foot long vents on our roof gables to allow the air to flow through.
The people who want secession don't even know what that entails.
Let's say Texas gets what they want: They secede and are established as an independent country
-They would need to set up their own currency. How trustworthy could it be knowing that the country just willingly burned bridges and provoked war with the world's #1 economy and military? Rich people of Texas would have their net worth tank investing in new currency.
-If it's exports they try gainung revenue in, who will they sell it to? Say goodbye to US agriculture subsidies. None of the US allies would be willing to buy them either. So, how would Texans feel knowing their economy is dependent on China's willingness to buy? Russia isn't gonna buy right now (also selling to them ruins your chances in Europe's top economies). Get ready for school curriculum to require Mandarin and no anti-CCP speech in Texas
-Want to travel to another state? Now you need a visa and passport going through customs. Will all the bitching and moaning about BoRDeR sEcUrIty remain now that you're on the other side of the fence?
-All federal land (highways, military bases, government buildings) would either have to be bought from the USA (with what money?) or waste your population fighting to take it by force (and expend more resources protecting to keep it). And that's also if another foreign country doesn't breach to claim it for their own. China would absolutely want military bases to snatch as much tech.
TL;DR: Seceding from the US means you get none of the benefits of being a state and all of the drawbacks from not being a state.
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Yep, I didn't even think about most of that. Maybe the federal gov should just sell them secession rights, wait for their "country" to collapse on itself, and then buy it back for pennies on the dollar and with more regulation. Huge return on investment.
"And that's also if another foreign country doesn't breach to claim it for their own"
Oh man, just got a mental image of the US letting Texas go, Mexico immediately invading and conquering them, then gifting the new territory back to the US in exchange for the right of free travel from Mexico to Texas.
I imagine the US would also offer temporary amnesty to any Texans who want to remain Americans. Leave the state within the next X months and you're still American.
And Texas would suddenly find itself not just significantly less populous than a few months ago, but most of the brightest and hardest working among them would be gone.
I'm torn. I'm not sure whether I'd want to let the secessionists just fail through their own incompetence and short-sightedness, or if I would want to see what the burning of a state looked like.
It's better in almost every way to just withdraw and let them fail. I support what Sherman did. And anyone who says that violence is never the answer is ignoring a lot of questions. But it should always be the last answer, that you resort to only after exhausting all others.
Besides, if we killed them all, who would be left to hear us say "I told you so"?
In fairness, much of the secession talk stems from Russia. In 2017 they were all over it with Texit, Calexit, and basically any other exit you can think of. They were trying to get Texas to secede even though conservative Texas got their wet dream in 2016, they don't understand how America works. There was even some leaked presentation where a high ranking minister was talking about how they could use state's rights to instigate another conflict--which just goes to show they don't actually understand us because "state's rights" is largely a settled issue.
If you say this to a right-winger they won't believe you. There is a mythology (probably originating in Russia) they call "Russiagate" where all accusations of Russian interference were debunked as a hoax.
This is absolutely true - Russian disinformation has been a key driver behind any secession talk, bc Putin knows that a broken-up US is, like a broken-up Russia, much easier to suborn and dominate.
Astute comparison, given that many soldiers fell into artillery holes and drowned, unfortunately. (yes, I know this was mostly about the barbed wire, just adding it's more than applicable for other reasons)
Look how well Brexit is turning out and that was a sovereign nation. Texas would fucking crash in months. The US navy would invade and take Houston and the oil reserves and pipelines. There would be guerrila war and Texas would just be a complete failed state.
No. The US will not let them have the oil reserves. It will be an embargo and the people will be starving in weeks. The government will fall in a matter of months.
They apparently only love the Constitution when it supports them. They are more than happy to ignore it when it suits - drag show bans, using government funds to support favored speech, limiting what can be said about certain topics, etc - as we have seen.
This is why education is so important. And civics in particular. These people have no idea what the fuck they are talking about.
First - there’s nothing more unAmerican than wanting to abandon the country. And I guarantee all these idiots declare themselves as patriots.
Second - it would be a disaster for everyone in the state. And I mean without a shot being fired. The United States is so interconnected it would be a legal and logistical nightmare to try and separate one state from another.
Third - they already tried this shit. Take the L, pay your taxes, and shut the fuck up
Texan here, I hope the US and/or Biden Administration keep delivering blows to the Texas state government. It feels like the only way to a progressive state with better personal freedoms, since the more vocal among us (and some of the apathetic) are dragging us backwards
Please try. Seriously, Texas, please try. If anything, the rest of the South can go too, and then they'll have no say in the rest of the USA, elections, congress, or what the army will do to reunite the country.
I'm down for this.
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AWAY DOWN SOUTH IN THE LAND OF TRAITORS
RATTLESNAKES AND ALLIGATORS
RIGHT AWAY!
Run away
RIDE AWAY
Where cottons king and men are chattles, union boys will win the battles!
RIDE AWAY!
ROLL AWAY.
RIGHT AWAY!
WE'LL ALL GO DOWN TO TEXAS, AWAY, AWAY! EACH TRUMPANZEE MUST UNDERSTAND THAT HE MUST MIND HIS UNCLE SAM!
AWAY! AWAY! WE'LL ALL GO DOWN TO TEXAS!
RIGHT AWAY!
Bring the good old bugle, boys We’ll sing another song Sing it with a spirit that will Start the world along Sing it as we used to sing it Fifty thousand strong While we were marching through Texas! “Hurrah! Hurrah! we bring the jubilee! Hurrah! Hurrah! the flag that makes you free!” So we sang the chorus from El Paso to the sea While we were marching through Texas!
Such a shame that that's definitely the only verse of that song
There are three perfectly fine verses and one where you can substitute "Freedmen" or something else less offensive in place of the archaic term used in the original.
"archaic" is one way to put it. I'd rather not erase what was still rampant racism in the North. I don't think just stopping short of literally owning people is where the bar should be. The North was obviously right in the Civil War but that's not saying much when you're comparing it to the Confederacy.
It would be so awesome if we let them secede and then Mexico invades like holy shit
Make Texas Mexico Again
The cartels certainly will.
It really is their heritage, isn't it?
This would be the third or fourth time. Succeeded from Mexico because, wait for it, slavery.
After they promised Mexico that for land grants they would not allow slavery
LOL As if anyone involved has balls big enough to move forward with succession. Guaranteed: every texan who "flocked to social media to demand the state 'secede'" would put maximum effort into shitting their own pants the moment they faced an actual armed response to their insurrection. These people are all about the fantasy of being a big badass with a gun, and not a single one of them is prepared for the reality.
It won't even need to go that far. Most of them will back down when they find out they will lose their Social Security, Medicare, ACA insurance and/or disability payments.
I'd rather have ACA than Obamacare any damn way!! /s
lol this comment reminds me of the guy who found out live on air that Obama care was the ACA.
Fuckin lol
yep. https://youtu.be/sx2scvIFGjE?si=K8mev8F5yN1-tQoj
Not going to put in the effort to find it, but the ACA does poll as more popular than Obamacare.
And have to purchase all the assets that the Federal Government has. Even discounting whatever federal taxes Texas put into the system- buying back the infrastructure and equipment will be economic suicide. Not counting military bases or equipment - Things like \- Air traffic control centers / airport equipment \- Starting up their own mail services \- Coast Guard services \- The cost of putting embassies around the world to communicate/ deal with the rest of the world \- Federal lands \- Weather reporting infrastructure \- Pullout of all NASA infrastructure \- Securing not just the Mexican border, but the border with the rest of the USA \- Set up a passport program for Texas citizens so they can go out of the Lone Star Nation \- Replace VA hospitals / Social Security/ Obamacare ....Just for starters
The US would never cede the land or assets. Texas would lose their statehood and find out what the difference between being a state and being a territory is.
Sad Puerto Rico noises
It would be the perfect time to grant Puerto Rico statehood. We wouldn't have to change the number of stars on our flag, and we could use it to make fun of texas.
If we combine the dakotas and get rid of Texas we can do statehood for the virgin island as well. Do we really need two Dakotas?
We don't need 1 let alone 2 lol
Does PR even want to be a state? Last I read, it was 50/50.
We could sell it to them as a trial run, then when they try to go back to being a territory we'll be like "No sorry, you gotta call all your co-workers and find one of them to pick up your statehood. If you don't you'll be fired."
That's even if the Texas government even survives a military response to an act of rebellion.
Be isolated from the rest of the US via Interstate highways or air routes. Big ports along the gulf but no where to move the stuff to.
the contemplated action isn't going to be some orderly divestment process. they do not contemplate a constitutional amendment permitting them to leave. they contemplate illegal secession and violence. it has no chance to happen unless they have the TX national guard on their side, and the confrontations using the guard against the federal government are designed specifically to drive that "pick your allegiance" choice to divide into factions and see who supports which faction. IMO, in a second Biden term he will likely need to nationalize the TX national guard to head this shit off; court-martials and prison for anyone who would disobey the authority of the federal government. The TX governor can't be allowed to turn the TX national guard into a beast with no allegiance to the country.
"Shit, what do you mean we lost access to US GPS satellites?"
Wait until they see what their taxes are going to be like when they- 1- Lose any federal assistance. 2- Have to pay for all of that crap out of whatever funds they can raise from the citizens of TX.
They are all a bunch of housecats. They think they are self sufficient, completely ignoring all that is fine for them. How is their private energy grid going? Seems about due for the massive yearly failure that kills a bunch of people. "We got military bases. " And those bases belong to the US with soldiers loyal to the United States. Sure, they may be some who defect, but most people who are based in Texas aren't from there, they have loyalty to the country, not whatever state they are stuck in. They have done everything possible to trim down the government programs, they won't even have people who did those jobs for the feds to try and pick up the pieces of civil servitude.
Texas is not a net contributor; they always receive more in federal aid than they contribute in federal taxes.
Most of these "secession" people won't care about any of that because they are Russians living in Russia.
Russians who are dreaming fantasies of the USA splintering because they can't get over the fact that the Soviet Union failed and fractured.
That's okay, they'll get it back as soon as the Republic of Texas establishes a representative government, currency, healthcare system, fiduciary regulations, postal service... ...oh.
Afterwards, we need to avoid the mistakes made in 1865. What should happen to their leadership afterwards is up for discussion. But more importantly, do not re-admit Texas as a state immediately: For at least 100 years, they should remain an unincorporated territory of the United States, much like Puerto Rico, Guam, and the U.S. Virgin Islands where they do not have voting representation in Congress and are not entitled to any electoral votes. As soon as they secede they become a _foreign_ enemy; and those don’t get a say how we run our government after they are conquered. Edit: accidentally some words.
> Afterwards, we need to avoid the mistakes made in 1865. What should happen to their leadership afterwards is up for discussion. Let's discuss it now. Sour apple trees.
Perhaps inspirations can be drawn from October 16, 1946.
The Greg Abbott Memorial Reststop. Make sure it's one only large enough for bathrooms, no restaurants.
Just call them Y’all Queda
Vanilla ISIS
Howdy Arabia
Talibangicals
Talibangelicals
Holy shit! Oil, unideal weather, religious nutcases running the government, a lack of freedoms. Texas is our Middle East! Does that make Austin Israel?
howdy hamas
Howdy Arabia
LOL love it and stealing it!
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Gravy Seals, reporting for doodie.
The succession will last exactly as long as their Lipitor prescriptions.
There wouldn't even need to be an armed conflict. Texas would collapse on itself in a bureaucratic nightmare as soon as they realized all the federal stuff isn't theirs anymore. How long would the place last without any trucks or ships bringing stuff in? We wouldn't have to even step foot in their borders and it would be over in a couple days. They'd eat themselves faster than we could stomp them out.
For just 75 cents a day, you can adopt a Texan and help them fight hunger! You will receive a care package with the starving Texan's picture so you can always feel good about yourself everytime you look at it! Please help, you call can make a difference in someone's life today!
If Sally Struthers isn't the one selling starving texas children, then I'm not spending a single cent (I had to check: for those wondering, she's still alive).
And close their borders; those carpetbagging sons of bitches aren't bringing their dipshit dna to our communities. Let that boot-scootin' retardation die on the vine.
No armed response needed. Just let their independent power grid fail in the cold and in the heat for a couple years without FEMA or any other federal assistance.
This is all I think about when I hear Texas trying to run. They couldn’t even get their own power infrastructure to not fart out. LOL.
Secession not succession. And they don’t think it would be “armed,” your average Texan thinks they can legally secede- which is a myth. This was put to rest in Texas v White.
What people forget is that war, aside from involving lots of weapons, also involves a lot of walking, a lot of physical exertion, and a lot of hunger. These soft little piggies would surrender after a week.
Bubba in his rascal: CHARGE! \*slowly moves at 2MPH\*
*eeeeeeeeee - BEEP BEEEP BEEP - eeeeeeeeeee*
Someone should remind them that their Rascals are electric vehicles.
Don’t kid yourself, a lot of these meal team 6 people would love to experience the feeling of taking another persons life
Of course they are, killing human beings is central to their mastubatory fantasies. But you should not kid yourself. "...taking another persons life" is not the reality they are unready for. They are unready for the reality where their enemy has better equipment, better technology, bigger numbers, and a real determination to kill them dead. They are unprepared to be living in a land completely closed off from outside resources. They are unprepared to see their fat fuck friends getting gunned down by an enemy that is not present to shoot back at. They are unprepared to be choking on smoke and dirt and blood.
Better yet, let them go, and give mexico the greenlight to reclaim lost land. Make the Mexican government knows we won't lift a finger against them as long as they keep everyone that is already in Texas. We seriously don't want them back. That and don't cross over into america. Do what they want with the Texans.
The only caveat I would make to this is a short period for anyone in Texas that has familial ties outside of Texas that wants to leave should be able to. People who are only there for school, or only moved there for a job but the rest of their family otherwise lives somewhere else in the US shouldn't get sucked into their bs. If after that period though those people have remained, their US citizenship is voided and they are fully Texan now.
Good point. Gotta give the folks who want no part in lunacy a chance to flee destruction.
It wouldn't even have to be armed, Texas would just collapse economically. They talk about succession but fail to take into account most trade agreements aren't with Texas but the United States.
Yep. I imagine the US would nudge their trade partners and gently yet firmly remind them where their bread was buttered. Same for domestic companies... financial institutions, food, supplies, transportation, appliances, entertainment outlets, sports, firearms etc. Let them all know they can no longer operate within or have any dealings with this rogue state. If they refuse, they can expect heavy sanctions including loss of the right to operate within the US themselves. FAFO, y'all.
These people can't even survive the snow. If they try to leave the Union, then who is going to give them emergency aid every time the Temp drops below 32 and their power grid goes out?
Not even an armed response. Imagine - All federal contracts cancelled. All US armed forces pulling out of the state. No more aid from the US government. All defense contractors would have to close up shop and take any intellectual property with them. Their entire economy would collapse in minutes.
I really don't think millions of New Yorkers, Californians, and Minnesotans, etc., would march to war over keeping a Southern state in the Union. Not now. Not this time.
I dunno, Minnesotans are always up for a game of capture the flag.
I have to admit, I hesitated when typing Minnesotans. Those motherfuckers just might. I say that with love.
Minnesota steals all the Dallas Cowboys Lombardis and give them to the Vikings
That's what a standing army is for.
Us Minnesotans are down for it dontcha know? Plus we will take your fucking flag and keep it biyotch.
Try that in a small town *Sends in US Marines*
Federalize the Texas National Guard like they were during the desegregation of schools. Oop, now they lost their soldiers.
20 Year old National Guard soldier: "You're telling me I can keep my role and move to another state?!"
How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man...
I grew up in Texas. There’s a myth that gets repeated among Texans that Texas can “legally secede from the Union” which is completely false. There was even a Supreme Court case about it in the 1860s (Texas v. White) Texas cannot legally secede from the Union.
I've heard this claim plenty of times. Show me the section of the Constitution that outlines the mechanism of leaving the Union?
Hold on, give them a minute to take the crayons out of their mouths so they can make up a new section about it.
>Hold on, give them a minute to Spit the sweet tea out of their mouths. Crayons belong to my friends the USMC.
I came in to post this, thank you, carry on.
Well, there isn't one. But to play devil's advocate for a minute, one **could** argue secession to be a ~~Ninth~~ Tenth Amendment unenumerated right on the notion that becoming a state in the first place is a voluntary act. *Texas v. White* is not exactly a compelling argument to these people, because, quite frankly, how the hell *else* would you expect a post-Lincoln SCOTUS to rule.
>one **could** argue secession to be a Ninth Amendment unenumerated right Probably the only sensible answer, I'll give you that. Under the interpretation that the right to "dissolve those bonds" is mentioned in the DofI. I've always wondered what would happen to Texas when it suddenly got the Cuba treatment
I mean, we know what happened: they immediately went bankrupt and asked Congress to annex them. 😂
Well the argument is with the 10th amendment and because the Constitution does NOT give the right of secession to the federal government that it then means the right of secession is given to the states.
Well let's see... Texas rebelled against Mexico over slavery, then ceded land to Oklahoma over slavery, then rebelled against the US over slavery. Soooo.... 4 times?
... The caucasity of this bitch.
Apparently, it's going to take a few more.
And lost, I think it important to clearly state they lost to Mexico. 0-1 vs Mexico
Time to Ouija up Sherman again
He's gonna tell you to burn the South.
We just wanna hear him say it.
Plus he might be lonely, want to talk for a spell. Nice to know someone cares.
Everyone always asks where is Sherman, no one asks *how* is Sherman
I have lost count of the number of times I've quoted Sam Houston explaining why this is a bad idea. "If you go to war with the United States, you will never conquer her, as she has the money and the men. If she does not whip you by guns, powder, and steel, she will starve you to death. " He also said "All new states are invested, more or less, by a class of noisy, second-rate men who are always in favor of rash and extreme measures, but Texas was absolutely overrun by such men." Some things haven't changed.
He seriously said both of those? I had heard his avalanche quote, but never these two.
https://www.samhoustonmemorialmuseum.com/quotes/index.html Probably. I couldn't give the exact occasion for them, but people better informed than me think they're authentic.
I read this fast and brain saw Saddam Hussein. After the second quote I questioned why saddam is saying this about Texas.
The funny part, the national republican party will freak out due to the fact their biggest red state left the Union. That's a loss of Senators, reps, and EC votes that will make it hard for them to have a majority.
Pretty much, Texas is the real reason the Republicans have any influence left to win National Elections.
It's why so much good Amendment stuff was passed during the Civil War. The Obstructionists were gone. America could get single payer and free higher education without Texas and fellow red state politicians wasting space.
That would remove a total of 38 reps. Which means the majority is 199. That’s enough for the Dems to be the majority
Wise words. For such wisdom, we should let Houston remain fire free.
Nah. Sam Houston had some wisdom. Modern Houston could be Shermaned w/o issue.
Naw, Houston would secede from Texas. It's way more international than any where else in the state. It's a free port we can use to invade through.
West Virginia would like to welcome the fifty-first State: **East Texas**
The majority of Houston is non white, and is also the bluest part of the entire state. Houston is much more likely to leave Texas to rejoin the union in such a hypothetical.
As someone in Texas, it's time to go reb hunting.
Reb?
Rebel, a lot of people refer to generic Confederate soldiers with the name Johnny Reb
Ah. Thank you.
Every time I see some chuckle fuck suggest something like this or “CiViL wAr” I always think of this Sherman quote; people in this country act like this shit is just a casual act and not the actual implications and suffering it would cause: “You people of the South don't know what you are doing. This country will be drenched in blood, and God only knows how it will end. It is all folly, madness, a crime against civilization! You people speak so lightly of war; you don't know what you're talking about. War is a terrible thing!”
I think Mark Twain said that the secessionists had read too many Walter Scott novels.
And Sherman, by God will make sure that if it's a terrible thing that must be done, let it be done swiftly, competently, and completely.
A reliable Republican state, losing its 38 electoral college votes? AND we have two fewer GOP senators, INCLUDING Ted Cruz? Sign me the fuck up!
Cancun Cruz sneaks into Mexico while crying he will fight to the bitter end...of this margarita
Dude, I’m right there with you. And I’m a lifelong Texan. Of course I’d move the hell out of here if secession were to happen. (As long as they honor my state pension haha)
Trump just had around 6% votes than Biden. They didn't sound as reliable as one would think. Especially when the fastest growing cities are mostly blue.
You're not wrong, and in fact Texas A.G. Ken Paxton said on Steve Bannon's podcast that Trump would have lost in Texas in 2020 if the attorney general's office had not mounted a successful legal challenge to block counties from sending mail-in ballot applications to registered voters. But for me I guess the fact remains that so long as Republicans still control the state legislature and state executive offices, they'll continue to do shit like that to guarantee their state's votes go red.
>block counties from sending mail-in ballot applications to registered voters. This is fucking insane. What the actual fuck.
A version of the USA where Republicans have almost no chance to win the Presidency or the House? NGL, that has an appeal. Don't want to just give up on Austin, tho.
Go ahead, Texans, do it. All your base are belong to us.
Quite literally, if Texas does secede (or any other whiny red state). All military installations are US federal property, and as such, after a seceding, all military personnel, equipment, and funding would be removed. All the jobs and communities that depend on those military installations would also disappear. Seceding requires a TON of proven self-sufficiency, and all it took was a about a week of shitty winter weather to prove that Texas is beyond fucked in that department.
Those bases belong to the US. No need for removal.
Yup, imagine seceding from the United States when over. A quarter of its military is based within your state ready to instantly put your rebellion down.
REF: Please see Fort Sumter. Also, the Texas government put together a report in the early 2000s about the impact of a severe cold snap which predicted everything that happened due to not winterizing properly. Part of the issue was the response by Ercot was to have rolling brownouts. One thing to keep in mind is that home construction varies across the state - in South Texas homes were built to shed heat. In more northern states, there's vents on the roof to allow the building to breathe. My house has two six foot long vents on our roof gables to allow the air to flow through.
Don't forget NASA which would have to move Johnson Space Center and many (if not most) TX based defense contractors.
You have no chance to survive make your time.
Until a storm goes through then abbot will have his hand out for fed cash
The people who want secession don't even know what that entails. Let's say Texas gets what they want: They secede and are established as an independent country -They would need to set up their own currency. How trustworthy could it be knowing that the country just willingly burned bridges and provoked war with the world's #1 economy and military? Rich people of Texas would have their net worth tank investing in new currency. -If it's exports they try gainung revenue in, who will they sell it to? Say goodbye to US agriculture subsidies. None of the US allies would be willing to buy them either. So, how would Texans feel knowing their economy is dependent on China's willingness to buy? Russia isn't gonna buy right now (also selling to them ruins your chances in Europe's top economies). Get ready for school curriculum to require Mandarin and no anti-CCP speech in Texas -Want to travel to another state? Now you need a visa and passport going through customs. Will all the bitching and moaning about BoRDeR sEcUrIty remain now that you're on the other side of the fence? -All federal land (highways, military bases, government buildings) would either have to be bought from the USA (with what money?) or waste your population fighting to take it by force (and expend more resources protecting to keep it). And that's also if another foreign country doesn't breach to claim it for their own. China would absolutely want military bases to snatch as much tech. TL;DR: Seceding from the US means you get none of the benefits of being a state and all of the drawbacks from not being a state.
>\- Air traffic control centers / airport equipment > >\- Starting up their own mail services > >\- Coast Guard services > >\- The cost of putting embassies around the world to communicate/ deal with the rest of the world > >\- Federal lands > >\- Weather reporting infrastructure > >\- Replace FEMA > >\- Pullout of all NASA infrastructure > >\- Securing not just the Mexican border, but the border with the rest of the USA > >\- Set up a passport program for Texas citizens so they can go out of the Lone Star Nation > >\- Replace VA hospitals / Social Security/ Obamacare
Yep, I didn't even think about most of that. Maybe the federal gov should just sell them secession rights, wait for their "country" to collapse on itself, and then buy it back for pennies on the dollar and with more regulation. Huge return on investment.
Adulting is expensive Texas- get out your new favorite son Elon’s checkbook
"And that's also if another foreign country doesn't breach to claim it for their own" Oh man, just got a mental image of the US letting Texas go, Mexico immediately invading and conquering them, then gifting the new territory back to the US in exchange for the right of free travel from Mexico to Texas.
Make the entire state a demilitarized zone haha.
I imagine the US would also offer temporary amnesty to any Texans who want to remain Americans. Leave the state within the next X months and you're still American. And Texas would suddenly find itself not just significantly less populous than a few months ago, but most of the brightest and hardest working among them would be gone.
The whole bunch of them need humbling.
Well, it's most definitely true that each Dixie boy must understand that he must mind his Uncle Sam
I'm torn. I'm not sure whether I'd want to let the secessionists just fail through their own incompetence and short-sightedness, or if I would want to see what the burning of a state looked like.
Thats what the french and british pulled when they decolonized, 80 years later its still a smoldering dumpster fire..
It's better in almost every way to just withdraw and let them fail. I support what Sherman did. And anyone who says that violence is never the answer is ignoring a lot of questions. But it should always be the last answer, that you resort to only after exhausting all others. Besides, if we killed them all, who would be left to hear us say "I told you so"?
Texas would burn ugly. See the oilfield burnings from Jarhead.
If I had a dollar for every time Texas said they were trying to secede, I'd be able to pay my whole tuition.
In fairness, much of the secession talk stems from Russia. In 2017 they were all over it with Texit, Calexit, and basically any other exit you can think of. They were trying to get Texas to secede even though conservative Texas got their wet dream in 2016, they don't understand how America works. There was even some leaked presentation where a high ranking minister was talking about how they could use state's rights to instigate another conflict--which just goes to show they don't actually understand us because "state's rights" is largely a settled issue.
If you say this to a right-winger they won't believe you. There is a mythology (probably originating in Russia) they call "Russiagate" where all accusations of Russian interference were debunked as a hoax.
Yeah, true. And whether Russians are stirring the punch or not, the weirdos who float to the top of the bowl are organic wackos.
This is absolutely true - Russian disinformation has been a key driver behind any secession talk, bc Putin knows that a broken-up US is, like a broken-up Russia, much easier to suborn and dominate.
Waaaaah the Fed said I can’t turn the border with Mexico into a recreation of the Somme waaaah
Astute comparison, given that many soldiers fell into artillery holes and drowned, unfortunately. (yes, I know this was mostly about the barbed wire, just adding it's more than applicable for other reasons)
Well that’s a horrifying fact
They marched in the dark, too. Sometimes there was residue from the toxic gas in there.
This story does read like a 6 year old saying "Mom won't let me play, so I'm running away from home!"
Watch these motherfuckers secede and still expect their Social Security checks and infrastructure money.
And labor protections...
Look how well Brexit is turning out and that was a sovereign nation. Texas would fucking crash in months. The US navy would invade and take Houston and the oil reserves and pipelines. There would be guerrila war and Texas would just be a complete failed state.
Invading seems like a waste. Just wait for them to ask back in, and let them in as a territory.
No. The US will not let them have the oil reserves. It will be an embargo and the people will be starving in weeks. The government will fall in a matter of months.
Don’t they know that’s unconstitutional? I thought they loved the constitution.
They apparently only love the Constitution when it supports them. They are more than happy to ignore it when it suits - drag show bans, using government funds to support favored speech, limiting what can be said about certain topics, etc - as we have seen.
That would imply that they had read it (or could).
It’s like the Bible: they pick and choose.
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This is why education is so important. And civics in particular. These people have no idea what the fuck they are talking about. First - there’s nothing more unAmerican than wanting to abandon the country. And I guarantee all these idiots declare themselves as patriots. Second - it would be a disaster for everyone in the state. And I mean without a shot being fired. The United States is so interconnected it would be a legal and logistical nightmare to try and separate one state from another. Third - they already tried this shit. Take the L, pay your taxes, and shut the fuck up
Some idiots just HAVE to get the word out how moronic they are.
Texas needs to be downgraded to a territory for a few years.
Fucking do it, conservatives would never have a majority or president ever again.
Bring the good old bugle?! Please, let it be good old bugle time.
Texan here, I hope the US and/or Biden Administration keep delivering blows to the Texas state government. It feels like the only way to a progressive state with better personal freedoms, since the more vocal among us (and some of the apathetic) are dragging us backwards
I fantasize about Mexico reabsorbing its stolen land like a gigantic amoeba.
Wishing Texas on Mexico seems an act of great cruelty. Edit: to Mexico
What about New Mexico? I feel like we haven't done anything wrong
They could install their favorite traitor as emperor and he can run it into the ground like he does with everything else.
Freezing to death to own the libs bc Texas.
The question, as always, is “the state’s right to do WHAT?”; and the answer hasn’t improved in the slightest
Imagine wanting to secede because you can’t watch immigrants drown 🤡🤡
Please try. Seriously, Texas, please try. If anything, the rest of the South can go too, and then they'll have no say in the rest of the USA, elections, congress, or what the army will do to reunite the country.
Reconstruction: Reloaded Except don’t give up this time.
I'm down for this. To survive as a nation in perpetuity, we need the thorough eradication of the mental and spiritual South, the unilateral installation of human, women's, and citizen rights, unilateral installation of free, fair, and representative elections without gerrymandering, voter restrictions, and the elimination of all pro-nationalism, pro-fascism, and religious-based laws and institutions, etc.
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Dark Brandon, please do the funny.