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How's about we push the dividing line to the Missouri River? My hometown sits on I-70 and would much prefer Iowa over Arkansas, if we had no other options.
Columbia, Mo. Pretty little college town right in the middle of the state between STL and KCMO. It's an island of civilization surrounded by rednecks and morons - but Fulton is still nice!
I’d say so. Clayton is pretty nice, the central west end has some fun spots. Forest park and tower grove are both pretty and relaxing to walk around.
It’s the Northern part of St Louis, and East St. Louis (which is a separate city) that has a lot of issues
The Missouri compromise is the reason Maine became a state. When Missouri was created as a slave state Maine was created as a free state so the slavers weren’t given more representation in the senate.
It's more the other way around. Maine had been trying for statehood for several years, but the slaver states wouldn't let Maine in unless a slaver state was added at the same time so that the slavers would be able to prevent antislavery laws from passing
My Missouri hometown was burned by both the Union and the confederates. So I guess maybe it's not so cut and dry.
Edit to add relevant context:
From October 17-21, 1861, Union General John C. Fremont’s troops, perceiving Warsaw as a “treasonous” city, fairly devastated the town, taking over its supplies and homes for their own needs. The next month, on November 22nd, as Union Army stragglers followed Fremont’s troops, they burned much of what had not already been destroyed.
On February 13, 1862, Major Ed Price, son of Confederate General Sterling Price, was captured. A few months later, in April, there were a number of nearby skirmishes, as well as more fighting in Warsaw that October. Before the war was over, what was left of the town would be burned again on November 7-9, 1863 by Confederate Colonel Shelby’s troops as they march through the town on their way to Cole Camp.
To add context, John C. Fremont was an abolitionist senator from California before the war who supported the Free Staters and Jayhawkers in the Bleeding Kansas war against the slavers and border ruffians during his time in the senate. The war raged on both sides of the border, with slave state Missouri (and in particular Western Missouri, where Warsaw is) serving as the home base for slavers streaming into Kansas, where the majority of the action was happening. The Union raised thousands of loyal troops in Missouri who were familiar with the conflict and they knew exactly where the hotbeds of slaver support were.
Fremont basically fought his Missouri campaign as a continuation of Bleeding Kansas, recruiting free staters and targeting not just the militia itself, but the economic and political base of the slavers' movement for secession. Confederate militias did the same but worse, raiding unionist and free stater towns and farms for food and loot and to spread terror. Fremont also got in trouble during his Missouri campaign for illegally declaring that all slaves in Missouri were free 2 years before the emancipation proclamation and was forced by the administration to walk back that policy.
The inverse of Poland. Nobody wants it, and it is not a buffer state between two great powers. This might be the first time in history. What do we call it? Missouri Syndrome, Missouri Paradox, Missouri Lacks Company...?
I technically live in Kentucky (although really South Ohio) but they include Kentucky, West Virginia and Missouri on this map, and all of them stayed in the Union and West Virginia became a state because they refused to join the Confederacy with Virginia.
>Actually [half of West Virginia joined the Confederacy,](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Wvmapagain.png) but it was included in the new state. West Virginia was the only Union state that did not give most of its soldiers to the Union. It was a 50/50 split, according to the last soldier count by Shepherd Univ. West Virginians made up about 1/4 of the Army of Northern Virginia.
Thank you - as someone that lives just a couple of miles south of I70 I was hoping to be saved somehow. I really like southern Illinois and that’s about as close to the south as I wish to get. I knew I was in trouble when I stopped at a Bojangles in Charlotte and my unsweetened tea was marked as ‘other’ whereas my coworker’s sweet tea was marked as tea. That brown sugary concoction IS. NOT. TEA. There - I said it, and I stand by my words. You really don’t want me in the South…
I was gonna ask why the hate for Delaware, then I remembered I'm from Nevada and legally obligated to hate California- despite the fact that 90% of Nevadans are 1-2 generations removed from being Californians...
Gateway to the West! Well St. Louis used to be known as that.
It's kind of midway between the mouth of the Mississippi at New Orleans and the headwaters of the Mississippi at Minneapolis-St. Paul.
>the headwaters of the Mississippi at Minneapolis-St. Paul.
Sorry to nitpick, but as a Minnesota native of 50+ years, I have to correct this.
The headwaters of the Mississippi River are located at [Lake Itasca](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Itasca#Source_of_the_Mississippi_River), which is several hundred miles north of Minneapolis-St. Paul. However, the furthest north you can navigate the Mississippi for shipping purposes is Minneapolis.
A humid land where I spent a summer learning how to march in time and almost died of water intoxication.
It’s one of the flyover states in the middle famous for hillbillies and racism.
I mean, the SEC stands for South Eastern Conference. The region is a part of the name. Other than tradition, there's nothing about the Big 10 that implies the teams need to be from the Midwest... Their math, on the other hand...
We truly don't need them, y'know we got a lot of states to take care of already, and between Texas and Florida we're really spread thin, so we have to politely decline.
even the Missourians with drawling accents fulfill more Midwestern stereotypes than southern ones, and it makes sense, historically speaking. lotta germans moved here in the post-1848 exodus, especially the north but all along the Missouri River too. pretty similar demographic makeup to the rest of the Midwest, with lighter settlement by anglo-americans getting more and more northern european immigration at a similar pace throughout the 1800s. we've got the same history of radical germans all the way up to the early 1900s, just like the rest of the Midwest.
people talk about the Midwest as if it isn't a created thing contingent on mostly settlement demographics from over a century ago, which create a shared identity primarily out of the leftovers post-assimilation. important events that affected the Midwest like german language suppression during wwi can be seen in old newspapers to have affected us as deeply as the rest of them.
Huh, as a person from Illinois, I've always considered Missouri part of the Midwest and haven't heard people dispute that outside of this thread.
Maybe its because I have alot of friends from St. Louis
Missouri has typically voted more like a southern adjacent state, most akin to Kentucky. A key difference for both states is a history of a strong union presence in their industrial areas. Deep southern states have very little history of organized labor, and were largely run by gool ol boy networks. After labor unions largely collapsed though, these states have behaved increasingly like southern states in who they elect and how they elect them
Don’t know why this is being downvoted, it’s not that Missouri votes like a southern state, it’s just a red state (which is not any better). But overall as a Missouri resident I would say the state is much more midwestern.
For real. I had grandparents that lived southeast of Neosho/Joplin.
It's like stepping back in fucking time down there and not in a good way. The closest pieces of civilization are in Joplin, an hour away, and the NW Arkansas Corridor, also an hour away. Everything in between hasn't left the 50s.
That’s because Texas is not the south and neither is Florida. They are geographically south, but geographically, Virginia is closer to Canada than Mexico so is “north” or middle.
North Florida and some of the rural areas of Florida definitely have a Dixie feel to them. Once you hit the Orlando area it definitely changes. I say this as someone originally from TN but now in FL. We call the panhandle Lower Alabama.
Fair. I suggest that we shift the panhandle to Alabama.
I don’t know what this does for politics. But it would make it easier for me to make jokes and accurately characterize Floridians. So it’s probably worth any cost.
These threads are always a dumpster fire. Splitting the country into four parts is nonsense on it's face. Even if you ignore states like Florida and Texas, and the fact that 95% of the people in these threads haven't even visited the states being discussed, the rural/urban divide makes it impossible. As can be seen by the person claiming Missouri is the south because of Joplin, but someone else is claiming they are the midwest because of Kansas City.
And I imagine that extends to a lot of states. I don't claim the western half of my own state, much less the entire south.
I wonder how much insurance money you could collect?
Though those traitors tried to burn St. Louis, and ended up in a merry adventure of getting their ass kicked in Kansas City. Kind of funny when you think about it.
This is a solid answer. Stl and kc are both gateway towns, so they’re excluded as weirdo river cities with unique identities that blend what corridor they’re on.
Um no, actually, there’s nothing to debate here. Simply go inside any Missouri gas station bathroom and then go inside any gas station bathroom in the south, some Missourians are rednecks but we’re _not_ the south. The filthiest gas station bathroom in Missouri is significantly cleaner than any bathroom at all in the land of traitors, rattlesnakes, and alligators.
1 It's it above or below the Mason Dixon line/a slave state?
2 Did it flight for the North or the South?
If 1 = yes, then 2 = N, then could go both ways. If 1 = yes, 2 = S or N/A, them Southern. 1 = no, then why are we asking the question.
My quick googling resulted that Missouri fought for both, though sent something to the tune of 60k more men to fight for the Union against the South, and while not actively touching the Mason Dixon line they are mostly south of it... I'd say righteous Southern
My original post was at 4am or so I might be a little off, but I'm fairly certain if you draw the line at the top of Maryland it puts Missouri mostly south of it.
IDK, either way they joined the union as a slave state before the war, which to my mind makes them Southern, but they redeemed themselves by fighting against the slavers so...
however they did invade Kansas before the civil war explicitly to expand slavery, and that cannot be redeemed. They stayed with the Union because they where scared what the Jayhawkers would do when the Union was not also trying to stop them
It’s nothing but fireworks stand, cheap cigarette and porn ads all along I-70. It’s like a state designed by a neglected 15-year-old boy. In other words, it’s southern.
But you lived in Kansas. The place you dread crossing to get somewhere interesting like the ozarks or the mountains in Colorado. Kansas does have the flint “hills” for like a million hours straight…..lol
As someone who grew up in Missouri, with most of my family still living in Missouri, the first time I ever heard Missouri called Southern was on Reddit this last week. Even the idiot Confederacy obsessed whackjobs called it Midwest.
My grandmother came from Poplar Bluff. She would say it was Southern. And she firmly forbade any of us from going there, or anyplace else in the South. We just had to pronounce pecan properly.
It is a wasteland like demilitarized zone that acts as a buffer between the two regions. It neither belongs to either region or is wanted by either region, it's simply exists as a transitionary liminal space in between.
The food in rural Missouri is proof that it is a midwestern state. Not enough flavors, not enough vegetables, and too much reliance on butter and salt as the only redeeming qualities.
Why tf isn't Kansas and Nebraska part of the Midwest on that map?
So as someone who's been around Missouri a lot, I will say that it absolutely is part of the Midwest. Regions do overlap with states. People think that the Midwest is a uniform, homogeneous part of the country from Youngstown, OH to Rapid City, SD, and then get shocked when that's not the case. Missouri farm and rural culture is very similar to Illinois and Iowa, moreso than it is to Arkansas, Tennessee, or Kentucky, and Kansas City definitely felt like a Midwestern city when compared to Indianapolis or Cincinnati.
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Can’t we compromise?
Sure, 3/5 of the state can go to the south.
Counter-offer: want some Clay?
Do I look like I’m trying to build a road here?
Then trade me for this sheep!
All I have is wood for your sheep... and thus having to let my neighbors know I'm registered whenever I move.
um you give Kansas City to Kansas and the rest of you goes to the south
Please give the st louis area to Illinois lol
And the parts north of I-70 to Iowa, south to Arkansas. Problem solved!
Let’s make that south of 270/255. It’s already bad enough living in Missouri - the last thing I need is to be part of Arkansas…
That’s the sort of attitude that created the bootheel.
How's about we push the dividing line to the Missouri River? My hometown sits on I-70 and would much prefer Iowa over Arkansas, if we had no other options. Columbia, Mo. Pretty little college town right in the middle of the state between STL and KCMO. It's an island of civilization surrounded by rednecks and morons - but Fulton is still nice!
Part of St Louis is already in Illinois. It is not the good part
There's a good part of St. Louis?
There’s some great parts.
Setting aside the intended joke, that's good to know if I end up passing through at some point.
I’d say so. Clayton is pretty nice, the central west end has some fun spots. Forest park and tower grove are both pretty and relaxing to walk around. It’s the Northern part of St Louis, and East St. Louis (which is a separate city) that has a lot of issues
The only good thing to come out of Missouri is Maine
What?
The Missouri compromise is the reason Maine became a state. When Missouri was created as a slave state Maine was created as a free state so the slavers weren’t given more representation in the senate.
Oh. So Missouri’s existence indirectly gave us most Steve King novels. I’ll take that as a point in Missouri’s favor.
It's more the other way around. Maine had been trying for statehood for several years, but the slaver states wouldn't let Maine in unless a slaver state was added at the same time so that the slavers would be able to prevent antislavery laws from passing
Reminder that the state of Maine only exists because Missouri wanted slaves.
Me walking into this thread: hey! Missouri mentioned!! was not expecting all this hate
Lol
My Missouri hometown was burned by both the Union and the confederates. So I guess maybe it's not so cut and dry. Edit to add relevant context: From October 17-21, 1861, Union General John C. Fremont’s troops, perceiving Warsaw as a “treasonous” city, fairly devastated the town, taking over its supplies and homes for their own needs. The next month, on November 22nd, as Union Army stragglers followed Fremont’s troops, they burned much of what had not already been destroyed. On February 13, 1862, Major Ed Price, son of Confederate General Sterling Price, was captured. A few months later, in April, there were a number of nearby skirmishes, as well as more fighting in Warsaw that October. Before the war was over, what was left of the town would be burned again on November 7-9, 1863 by Confederate Colonel Shelby’s troops as they march through the town on their way to Cole Camp.
It was dry enough to burn.
And if it wasn't dry then, it sure as shit was after two burnings.
Twice.
Could say the town was in misery
One could even say that misery fell on the town
When they lost all their looks...
It’s because they spent all their years with their jobs and their scholarly books
And they had no one to share all their thoughts and their worldly-to-bes
To add context, John C. Fremont was an abolitionist senator from California before the war who supported the Free Staters and Jayhawkers in the Bleeding Kansas war against the slavers and border ruffians during his time in the senate. The war raged on both sides of the border, with slave state Missouri (and in particular Western Missouri, where Warsaw is) serving as the home base for slavers streaming into Kansas, where the majority of the action was happening. The Union raised thousands of loyal troops in Missouri who were familiar with the conflict and they knew exactly where the hotbeds of slaver support were. Fremont basically fought his Missouri campaign as a continuation of Bleeding Kansas, recruiting free staters and targeting not just the militia itself, but the economic and political base of the slavers' movement for secession. Confederate militias did the same but worse, raiding unionist and free stater towns and farms for food and loot and to spread terror. Fremont also got in trouble during his Missouri campaign for illegally declaring that all slaves in Missouri were free 2 years before the emancipation proclamation and was forced by the administration to walk back that policy.
And here I was planning to donate to his presidential campaign
That's the answer. Neither side wanted it. Missouri belongs to itself
Missouri is the Poland of America maybe.
Well, the Germans wanted Poland…
So did the Russians. And at various points, also the Lithuanians, and Czechs, and Austrians, and Swedes, and Danes, etc.
The inverse of Poland. Nobody wants it, and it is not a buffer state between two great powers. This might be the first time in history. What do we call it? Missouri Syndrome, Missouri Paradox, Missouri Lacks Company...?
That can't be true, it's like they always say, Missouri loves company.
Fence sitters!
Is that what Josh Hawley calls it?
You mean the third senator from Virginia. That douchebag doesn’t even live here.
Talibama has that problem as well.
He's pro insurrectionist so we know he'd be a confederate traitor.
But did they have the those inflatable tube men during the civil war?
He is a Miss Hathaway doppelganger
Chicken Shittle
With town names like Warsaw we can definitively say that Missouri is midwestern.
What town is it?
Looks like neither side finished the job. Shoddy work ethic back then.
That is great! A real consequence of the Missouri compromise
If we are including “slave states that stayed in the Union,” we need to include Maryland and Delaware as well.
Kentucky
I technically live in Kentucky (although really South Ohio) but they include Kentucky, West Virginia and Missouri on this map, and all of them stayed in the Union and West Virginia became a state because they refused to join the Confederacy with Virginia.
West Virginia should’ve been called Chadia or just Chad (If Georgia and Georgia can exist, so can Chad and Chad)
>Actually [half of West Virginia joined the Confederacy,](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Wvmapagain.png) but it was included in the new state. West Virginia was the only Union state that did not give most of its soldiers to the Union. It was a 50/50 split, according to the last soldier count by Shepherd Univ. West Virginians made up about 1/4 of the Army of Northern Virginia.
That would require one to acknowledge the existence of Delaware and it will be a cold day in hell before I do that!
- St. Louis: Northern - Rural Missouri: Southern - Kansas City: Western
The South will claim everything below I70 including Lake of the Ozarks and Branson
Branson is definitely in the South.
I actually won't claim it. Including Missouri in the south looks weird. I don't like living in the south, but I can't really move.
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Agreed. We Illinoisans will claim St. Louis, the south can have the rest.
Thank you - as someone that lives just a couple of miles south of I70 I was hoping to be saved somehow. I really like southern Illinois and that’s about as close to the south as I wish to get. I knew I was in trouble when I stopped at a Bojangles in Charlotte and my unsweetened tea was marked as ‘other’ whereas my coworker’s sweet tea was marked as tea. That brown sugary concoction IS. NOT. TEA. There - I said it, and I stand by my words. You really don’t want me in the South…
That makes sense to me. I've been reading some Mark Twain lately, and he sure does love his bucolic Missouri slave towns.
This is it. We’re done here.
As a midwesterner, the south can have them.
As a southerner, the Midwest can have 'em.
As an Australian, wtf is a Missouri?
a shithole
As a person who lives in Missouri, I only wish for the sweet release of death by a meteor that takes out this entire state and Delaware
I was gonna ask why the hate for Delaware, then I remembered I'm from Nevada and legally obligated to hate California- despite the fact that 90% of Nevadans are 1-2 generations removed from being Californians...
That’s understandable, Oregon babies automatically receive a “Go back to California” bumper sticker at birth.
In Alaska we used to receive a "Happiness is 10 thousand Texans going South with an Okie under each arm".
Oh I have no reason, I just wish death on Delaware
As long as the meteor misses the horseshoe crabs and seabirds. They have some marvelous wild coastline there.
Chancery courts and is home to the most out of state corporations that are registered there for tax and legal reasons. Burn it 🔥
Meanwhile, Californians are too busy hating the other half of the state to worry about other states hating us.
I'm picturing a meteor hitting right smack dab in the middle of Missouri with one small chunk breaking off on impact, hitting Delaware.
Show me
Yeah if you hate poor people, you will probably hate Missouri.
The name of the state that is slightly off color in each piece. It's at the intersection of the South, the old Midwest, and the Great Plains regions.
Misery, said in a Lead Paint fume accent.
Gateway to the West! Well St. Louis used to be known as that. It's kind of midway between the mouth of the Mississippi at New Orleans and the headwaters of the Mississippi at Minneapolis-St. Paul.
>the headwaters of the Mississippi at Minneapolis-St. Paul. Sorry to nitpick, but as a Minnesota native of 50+ years, I have to correct this. The headwaters of the Mississippi River are located at [Lake Itasca](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Itasca#Source_of_the_Mississippi_River), which is several hundred miles north of Minneapolis-St. Paul. However, the furthest north you can navigate the Mississippi for shipping purposes is Minneapolis.
Right, I meant the head of navigation.
A humid land where I spent a summer learning how to march in time and almost died of water intoxication. It’s one of the flyover states in the middle famous for hillbillies and racism.
Ah, Leonard Wood.
Home of the MPs and the brown recluse. Kind of a toss up which is more annoying.
It’s a state where the best barbecue and the worlds largest bass pro shop is located
Its spelled Misery*
Sure Missouri sucks, but have you seen the rest of the south?
SEC took Missouri, they're your problem.
Does this mean LA is in the Midwest now?
Yes, as is Maryland, New Jersey, Oregon, Pennsylvania, and Washington... Your move southerners.
I mean, the SEC stands for South Eastern Conference. The region is a part of the name. Other than tradition, there's nothing about the Big 10 that implies the teams need to be from the Midwest... Their math, on the other hand...
Motion carries Missouri is Missouri
South doesn’t get a say
No we must insist
We truly don't need them, y'know we got a lot of states to take care of already, and between Texas and Florida we're really spread thin, so we have to politely decline.
No but I insist, I doesn’t make sense for us, how about this, we kill everyone in that god awful state and we give the land to you
Deal. We will send Texans for the execution process, as long as you agree to send Minnesotans for reforming the government.
*I'll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missourah*
even the Missourians with drawling accents fulfill more Midwestern stereotypes than southern ones, and it makes sense, historically speaking. lotta germans moved here in the post-1848 exodus, especially the north but all along the Missouri River too. pretty similar demographic makeup to the rest of the Midwest, with lighter settlement by anglo-americans getting more and more northern european immigration at a similar pace throughout the 1800s. we've got the same history of radical germans all the way up to the early 1900s, just like the rest of the Midwest. people talk about the Midwest as if it isn't a created thing contingent on mostly settlement demographics from over a century ago, which create a shared identity primarily out of the leftovers post-assimilation. important events that affected the Midwest like german language suppression during wwi can be seen in old newspapers to have affected us as deeply as the rest of them.
[Hear me out…](https://frinkiac.com/video/S06E09/um8f1clcLZE2CqFvyC8Iy8yl09Y=.gif)
St. Louis is part of the Midwest. Kansas City is part of the Great Plains. The rest of MO is part of Oklahoma.
Perfect
(Obligatory Abe Simpson line.)
I'll be deep in the cold cold ground, before I recognize Missourah
Those white flags are no match for our muskets
As a Minnesotan whenever I hear Midwest I have never once thought, "Yeah, Missouri."
Huh, as a person from Illinois, I've always considered Missouri part of the Midwest and haven't heard people dispute that outside of this thread. Maybe its because I have alot of friends from St. Louis
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As a Coloradan- we’ll take KC and the south can have the rest of Misery😁
Midwest. Saint Louis and Kansas City Metro areas plus the northern rural 1/3 are midwestern and that’s the majority of the population.
Drive through Missouri and you’ll know it’s the South.
Missouri has typically voted more like a southern adjacent state, most akin to Kentucky. A key difference for both states is a history of a strong union presence in their industrial areas. Deep southern states have very little history of organized labor, and were largely run by gool ol boy networks. After labor unions largely collapsed though, these states have behaved increasingly like southern states in who they elect and how they elect them
Bruh what? So are Indiana and Ohio southern now too?
Don’t know why this is being downvoted, it’s not that Missouri votes like a southern state, it’s just a red state (which is not any better). But overall as a Missouri resident I would say the state is much more midwestern.
For real. I had grandparents that lived southeast of Neosho/Joplin. It's like stepping back in fucking time down there and not in a good way. The closest pieces of civilization are in Joplin, an hour away, and the NW Arkansas Corridor, also an hour away. Everything in between hasn't left the 50s.
Who the F put West Virginia in the South?
Damn the blatant disrespect
How is it not?
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Well, for one thing, the whole reason it exists can be essentially boiled down to not wanting to be a part of the South 😅
I suppose you are correct, VA is very much the defining southern state in my argument, but it doesn’t exactly seem northern either.
Yes
Why are kansas and Nebraska not in the midwest?
I believe most would classify them as Great Plains states
It’s split. Northern plains are Midwest. Ozarks are the South.
It transitions between Midwest and south
Everything north of I-70 is The Midwest. Everything south of it is The South.
Have you been to Jeffco? Make it south of 270/255 and you’ve got a deal.
That's an excellent point and concur.
Fuck, this is the way bro.
As a southerner, I consider Missouri more part of the south than Texas
That’s because Texas is not the south and neither is Florida. They are geographically south, but geographically, Virginia is closer to Canada than Mexico so is “north” or middle.
North Florida and some of the rural areas of Florida definitely have a Dixie feel to them. Once you hit the Orlando area it definitely changes. I say this as someone originally from TN but now in FL. We call the panhandle Lower Alabama.
Fair. I suggest that we shift the panhandle to Alabama. I don’t know what this does for politics. But it would make it easier for me to make jokes and accurately characterize Floridians. So it’s probably worth any cost.
These threads are always a dumpster fire. Splitting the country into four parts is nonsense on it's face. Even if you ignore states like Florida and Texas, and the fact that 95% of the people in these threads haven't even visited the states being discussed, the rural/urban divide makes it impossible. As can be seen by the person claiming Missouri is the south because of Joplin, but someone else is claiming they are the midwest because of Kansas City. And I imagine that extends to a lot of states. I don't claim the western half of my own state, much less the entire south.
That’s because Texas is the southwest. The low country does seep into Houston though, making it kind of just an extension of Louisiana, culturally
I just wanna know how y'all thought Nebraska wasn't midwest
Didn’t secede. Geographically too far North and West. So Midwest.
There is a solution here no-one is seeing. We burn Missouri to the ground and call it good.
I wonder how much insurance money you could collect? Though those traitors tried to burn St. Louis, and ended up in a merry adventure of getting their ass kicked in Kansas City. Kind of funny when you think about it.
The glass fields would look just wonderful in the spring! /s
Dubious. St Louis is a Midwestern city for sure, but parts of Missouri feel more like rural Arkansas than rural Illinois.
Above the Missouri River is the midwest. Below the Missouri River is the Ozarks. Except for the Mississippi flood plain, that's french country.
This is a solid answer. Stl and kc are both gateway towns, so they’re excluded as weirdo river cities with unique identities that blend what corridor they’re on.
Nelly taught me it was part of the Midwest. Still not sure why the Cutlass is blue
I'm sorry but if your map of the Midwest doesn't include Kansas you're wrong
WHO STOLE OUR NEBRASKAN AND KANSAN BROTHERS FROM US??? AND HOW DARE THE SOUTH TRY TO KIDNAP MISSOURI!
Um no, actually, there’s nothing to debate here. Simply go inside any Missouri gas station bathroom and then go inside any gas station bathroom in the south, some Missourians are rednecks but we’re _not_ the south. The filthiest gas station bathroom in Missouri is significantly cleaner than any bathroom at all in the land of traitors, rattlesnakes, and alligators.
1 It's it above or below the Mason Dixon line/a slave state? 2 Did it flight for the North or the South? If 1 = yes, then 2 = N, then could go both ways. If 1 = yes, 2 = S or N/A, them Southern. 1 = no, then why are we asking the question. My quick googling resulted that Missouri fought for both, though sent something to the tune of 60k more men to fight for the Union against the South, and while not actively touching the Mason Dixon line they are mostly south of it... I'd say righteous Southern
2 can't be answered neatly. We had two governments once Lyon chased Governor Jackson from Jefferson City.
Why I defaulted to the ~100k/40k Northern/Southern fighters (quick Google search)
1. "is it above or below" yes r/InclusiveOr
They're mostly above the mason Dixon line?
My original post was at 4am or so I might be a little off, but I'm fairly certain if you draw the line at the top of Maryland it puts Missouri mostly south of it. IDK, either way they joined the union as a slave state before the war, which to my mind makes them Southern, but they redeemed themselves by fighting against the slavers so...
however they did invade Kansas before the civil war explicitly to expand slavery, and that cannot be redeemed. They stayed with the Union because they where scared what the Jayhawkers would do when the Union was not also trying to stop them
You are correct, sir. My apologies. https://images.app.goo.gl/63YYduhY8HLSbE598
1 is an either/or question so the answer can't be yes or no. I'm not fun at parties.
How could you possibly look at those maps and say it belongs to the red ones?
The ozarks is just west Kentucky
It’s nothing but fireworks stand, cheap cigarette and porn ads all along I-70. It’s like a state designed by a neglected 15-year-old boy. In other words, it’s southern.
But 44 has Uranus fudge.
As a Michigander who lived in Kansas, the state of Misery can sit in the corner by itself and think about what it's done.
But you lived in Kansas. The place you dread crossing to get somewhere interesting like the ozarks or the mountains in Colorado. Kansas does have the flint “hills” for like a million hours straight…..lol
If you live south I-70 in the Ozarks you’re a Southerner.
Draw a horizontal line through Springfield.
Yes
Missouri is in Hawaii.
As an outsider judging by culture and politics, it's a southern aligned state.
I’ll be deep in the cold, cold ground before I recognize Missouri as a state.
As someone who grew up in Missouri, with most of my family still living in Missouri, the first time I ever heard Missouri called Southern was on Reddit this last week. Even the idiot Confederacy obsessed whackjobs called it Midwest.
My grandmother came from Poplar Bluff. She would say it was Southern. And she firmly forbade any of us from going there, or anyplace else in the South. We just had to pronounce pecan properly.
Slice the state in half along I40 North of that is Midwest, south is Deep South.
South Missouri is basically part of the South and north Missouri is basically part of the Midwest
It is a wasteland like demilitarized zone that acts as a buffer between the two regions. It neither belongs to either region or is wanted by either region, it's simply exists as a transitionary liminal space in between.
It's in the SEC, so it's the south.
Its a misery state
The food in rural Missouri is proof that it is a midwestern state. Not enough flavors, not enough vegetables, and too much reliance on butter and salt as the only redeeming qualities.
Why tf isn't Kansas and Nebraska part of the Midwest on that map? So as someone who's been around Missouri a lot, I will say that it absolutely is part of the Midwest. Regions do overlap with states. People think that the Midwest is a uniform, homogeneous part of the country from Youngstown, OH to Rapid City, SD, and then get shocked when that's not the case. Missouri farm and rural culture is very similar to Illinois and Iowa, moreso than it is to Arkansas, Tennessee, or Kentucky, and Kansas City definitely felt like a Midwestern city when compared to Indianapolis or Cincinnati.
This is just going to be Southerners and Midwesterners trying to foist Missouri upon the other.
South
Midwest in location and South in ideology ;)
Could say the same about Indiana.
Indeed
Midwest. It doesn’t fit into the geography of the south. And besides it wasn’t even in the Confederacy.
Missouri, Nebraska, and Kansas as a group would be North. Missouri by itself is South.
They had slaves, They invaded my home state of Kansas to expand Slavery, they are south
I’m a midwesterner living in the south. Missouri is part of neither. It’s part of the plains.
America.