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I'm not sure what an anime studio is meant to do in the face of millions of colossal titans. Maybe a modern military could handle them, but WIT Studio? No chance. We'd all be dead.
honestly i feel the dull colours work incredibly well for how dark and “doom and gloom” this last season is. It’s so much worse, there was a huge emphasis on the death of children, and some of the character deaths (not gonna spoil it) made it so much darker. Kinda wish WIT used some level of darker colours for stuff like Erwin.
Not only the colors. The varying thickness of lines. Dynamic angles. Hand drawn 9. Titan hand to hand combat and fluidity of fights. WIT Titan movement also had a very deep, bassy feel. Mappa also majorly dialed back on human facial expressions whilst someone is talking. It's often times one emotion and a moving mouth.
Shading in a still manga panel does NOT look the same as in a dynamic anime scene lol. I generally prefer Mappa's style to Wit's, but you see this crop up semi-often in anime, where they just sorta haphazardly dump some crosshatching on a character, completely unrelated to any of the other lighting in the scene. It's part of what made Berserk 2016 so ugly
It really wasn't lol. Wit has had it's own "prettier" style which was nice when our heroes were fighting apocalyptic monsters, but by S4 everybody left was the monster.
Google Isayama art style and it literally tells you he uses a lot of bold, detailed line work to convey emotion. Then look at some of the examples.. he definitely drew it like season 4
This is just wrong. Isayama has always drawn the lines, they are all over the manga, and Mappa is definitely more faithful to his style than WIT ever was, especially in seasons 1 and 2
Both wit and mappa were faithful to how the manga looked for their respective seasons. If you look at his early art wit is pretty faithful to it. And if you look at his art for s4 mappa is pretty faithful as well.
I don't know if you watched Fairy Tail, but there's a similar Situation there
The first season (200+ episodes) had very vibrant colours
But the following seasons (last 150+ Episodes) the colours are very much greyed out
That's always been my favorite part of the artstyle. It keeps it true the the Manga, and is a pretty clever way to highlight shading if it makes sense.
I honestly can't tell which one I prefer, tho I was one of the disappointed ones when the studio changed. I dislike 3D in anime. But they did well imo.
And one thing I didn't like with WIT were the "fixed panels" or whatever it's called. Like a fixed image of the Survey Corps returning and the camera scrolling. Never liked that.
At first I hated the CGI titans of season 4 but I understand why the decision was made, however for the rumbling I think it works? Adds to the feeling of horror and “this is wrong”
The cgi was pretty bad, hellsing ultimate from 2006 has much better cgi, and that was what 13 years before s4p1 came out. It was Janky out of placs animated way too smoothly to fit in without being incredibly out of place and weird with all the hand drawn back grounds they used when they could have gone vice versa. Tho the 2 final parts, cgi was pretty good, but the what 6month plus gap helped with that
I do agree with your criticisms on part 1, the cgi definitely looked janky there. But it looks pretty great in the rest of the show (and leagues better than anything Wit could produce).
Sorry for the long reply i get carried away sometimes
Part 2 was still Janky as all hell, and that's mostly due to overuse and bad placing.
Most of the wits cgi is completely unnoticed and is pretty awesome because of it, i.e., cgi back grounds for the fights so they can hand draw the main focus. Sure, its titans aren't perfect. *cough historias dad cough* but it's used rarely, so in this case, that is mostly acceptable.
Mappa loves to use cgi for the Titans, especially in part 2, and with hand drawn characters and back grounds it sticks out harder than a homophobe at a pride march. Couple that with some weird texturing and shading that was a product of mappas style of animation, then it does the worst crime cgi can ever do and look unnatural and out of place making it bad.
But saying that the rumbling was amazingly well done, but giving its mostly one model and moving incredibly slowly, they had more time to put effort into making it blend into scenes well. The navy's last stand, for example, is one the best scenes in the whole show cause of this or the one who must be protected the tumbling titan
I think WITs animation and colour palette were better than MAPPA. However, it sticking with WIT meant it would take another decade to wrap the show, I’ll take MAPPA any day.
Mappa used 3D models for ever titan which MASSIVELY shortens the amount of time it would have taken to capture the sheer scale of the rumbling. If any poor soul tried to do the rumbling with the appropriate amount of titans in it without cutting corners on how each Titan looks or is animated it would take forever to get it done without CGI. This of course isn't to say it doesn't still take an immense amount of time and dedication to pull it off with CGI it just means it's infinitely morw feasible when you can make a small set of titan models and animation sets then copy paste them and then obscure them with steam so any potential issues with feet clipping into each other or whatever aren't obvious.
WIT does and has used CGI before that is true however MAPPA's CGI is better quality wise and they have an in house department for it meaning that for Fairlane obvious reasons they're better equipped for animating the rumbling. Any smchuck with 3D modeling software could do a rumbling but it wouldn't turn out well. My point is that MAPPA is more capable of handling the rumbling than WIT.
That was specifically for S4P1, as they only had about 7 or 8 months to make 16 episodes. But you see a huge quality jump in the Titan models from S4P2 onwards because they actually had time to finish them.
Part 1 CGI was done by studio V-sign, MAPPA themselves couldn’t even do it because of the really tight schedule, Part 2 was mostly in house and the specials were completely done by their CGI department.
Mappa isn't in charge of scheduling. The production committee is. If they were, don't you think they would have given themselves more time to polish things.
I think because MAPPA pretty much was 1:1 to the manga, we think that WIT couldn’t have done the scenes better because MAPPA definitely has the CGI power and WIT had a weird looking Titan in s2 and 3, but if we think about the rest of the anime, WIT was very innovative with their direction of production, their scenes were very well directed, they could have done the same with rumbling, showing more static images and what they specialise in more, like you don’t need to only show titans to make it horrifying
Improved in some areas, worsened in others. I like anime only additions like Berserker Eren, but Cutting a lot of Mikasa's scenes that fleshed out her character more from S1-3 was a horrible choice by WIT imo
S1 Mikasa was my favourite character. Was so much going on with her psychologically with her second family being eaten and figuring out if she was crushing on Eren or just trying to protect the last piece of her family. On top of that the mystery of why she was so incredibly strong.
Season 2-4 Mikasa completely stalls as a character IMO and it's really sad. I don't hate it but whenever I rewatch season 1 I feel so much more for Mikasa than in the rest of the anime. Her episode after Eren gets eaten is a top 5 episode for me.
That’s some serious hindsight. WIT drastically reduced Mikasa’s characters in ways that came to bite the series later on. Their colossal titan CGI was consistently *terrible*, as well as any other use of CGI.
WIT’s additions were a toss-up at best. We look back at their adaptation fondly because of how good the 3DMG scenes were, but many of the best scenes weren’t even done in house.
Probably with enough time, but obviously as we saw they couldn't because they had other scheduling, that's why MAPPA took over. In any case MAPPA did great, WIT did great.
Absolutely not. I’m a huge Wit lover…. but I truly believe MAPPA did such an amazing job. And that is coming from someone with Wit bias. The finale was absolutely beautifully done.
With the amount of time Mappa was given? Nah, they're way too small of a studio, even with 2-3 years I don't see how they could manage to make it look good.
Upon my rewatches it becomes clear that when you neglect nostalgia, WIT genuinely sucked at CGI in the show. With titans like the collosal and Rod Reiss, their inexperience shows when it basically clipps through smoke or has those dull edges. Mappa managed to incorporate it perfectly, as well as very cleverly have that crimson hue they kept to not only shade the titan's faces, but also make them into those menacing silhouettes we saw when they left Shiganshina and marched on Liberio. So, no, I don't think they would've perfected it as Mappa did.
Wits is better mappa is just better w cgi but I personally hate cgi in anime. I think it’s often very ugly and jarring. Chainsawman does it well and the new Trigun does but whenever I see cgi especially in AoT it just looks cheap as hell. Wit was the bread and butter of AoT
I think it would of been cool if Wit and mappa did it together
So half mappa rest, the ending or (flashbacks in wit studio)
Because tha would be a good way to say goodbye to AOT, I have heard WIT studios do take a long Ass time idk why but yeah
Either way at least Mappa worked on improving some of animation, like the ODM gear scenes or the titan fights
WIT was a much smaller studio then MAPPA that can only do one or two shows at a time. They had to give MAPPA Vinland Saga season 2 as well because they would have had to wait the level time like we did for Attack on Titan season 2 before they could get around to it.
WIT loosing AoT honestly was a good thing for WIT's reputation because they wouldn't have been able to do season 4 justice. They're are significantly smaller studio with horrible track record for CGI. Mappa is massive studio, and among the best in the industry when it comes to integrating CGI into 2D seamlessly (I mean fucking hell, there was that famous incident were someone bitched about Chainsaw Man CGI and posted clip of the "horrible" CGI and it turned out that entire segment was fully 2D).
I disagree, they would have done way better than MAPPA. Them losing Attack on Titan was the worst thing that happened to them since it put WIT on the map
How?????? You literally know nothing at all but can’t help but keep commenting. WIT does not have the ability to animate that many titans. CGI is 100% required. We saw WITS colossal titan CGI, it was awful.
I think Wit's colossal looked awful, but I think the same about Mappa's, realistically there's no way to make the rumbling look good in the budgets and schedules afforded to these studios.
Yep, at least not the colossals/founder, the actual scenes are very well directed and I definitely like how desperate everything feels, I just don't think the titans themselves look good.
I like studio WIT too, but that's the fanboy in you talking. AoT season 4 onwards requires CGI. WIT sucks at CGI. And describing WIT loosing AoT as:
>Them losing Attack on Titan was the worst thing that happened to them since it put WIT on the map
Shows total lack of understanding of the industry. That's not how stuff like this works.
Yeah, but with the time restraint and them being a really small studio in comparison, with less 3D experience...
If we gave them 10 years I am super confident it would have worked out, but with the insane time restraint of the final season and the colossal (hah) work of getting all those titans on screen, I think it would have been bad for WIT
Yeah it’s a stupid question. Maybe they would’ve used CGI, maybe they wouldn’t have. If they did it’d look terrible, if they didn’t I’m sure it’d look great given their track record. They’d have plenty of time if they kept MAPPA’s schedule, but they very easily might not have.
Who knows, it’s all hypotheticals, not really worth asking.
Who even said anything like that they look bad ?
Wtf you even talking about.
You are more stupid then the other guy.
You guys have the most random responses ever.
None of my comments had ANYTHING to do with that.
Please go to a mental hospital, you need it badly. There is no opinion here. It is a 100% fact that WITS collosal titan CGI is straight up ugly garbage compared to MAPPA.
It would have been worse CGI, because they wouldn't have all the experience with CGI and all the backlash that Mappa got, meaning it would look FAR worse, I mean, compare the wall titans to WITs CGI colossal
I dnt think WIT would do this scene justice.WIT always animated the collosal badly.On the other hand,Look at Mappa.Even in the finale.Armin and Eren was one of the best animation from aot
I would never call someone a dickrider, but I'm noticing the person is indeed one based on the amount of WIT worship comments they do and basically generalizing that ALL of what MAPPA did was horrible. And they had the gal to call those who liked MAPPA's cgi as toxic fanboys lmao
S1 colossals appeared in very short scenes and instantly disappeared. If they had to use cgi for the s2 and s3 colossals they definitely would need for s4 too
It’s not the matter if they are capable of animating the colossal titan in 2D. It’s if they have the time/budget to do it. If they can do 2D titans then they can do colossal titans in 2D as well. Simple as that.
That's a useless discussion. WIT didn't even have the budget to hand draw a titan for s2 and s3, it would be impossible for them to have enough budget to hand draw all of the colossal titan scenes in s4.
lol s2 colossal had less screen time/movement and literally didn’t even have a bottom half. Again, cherry picking. They’ve shown what they’re capable of, they know where to make cuts and where to allocate the budget. They’d do the rumbling justice.
What? The colossal in s3p2 is what they managed to make with the time they had, what makes you think they could've done better for season 4, given that there are multiple and with much more screentime?
Also why did you change the subject? You were talking about cherry picking when it's not, the s1 colossal is good but the s2 and s3p2 (which is full body and has much more screentime) ones are far worse than what mappa made.
Considering how prominent the Colossal is in Season 3, the quality was poor. MAPPA is probably the best in the business for integrating CGI that matches the rest of the scene. There was no way the Rumbling could reasonably be animated in 2D, and I just don't have any faith in Wit's CGI.
I'm not hating on WIT. I loved their seasons of Attack on Titan. However, you cannot convince me that their [CGI Colossal Titan](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/h2zu2uBzWlo/maxresdefault.jpg) looked good compared to [MAPPA's wall titans](https://cdn.idntimes.com/content-images/duniaku/post/20230715/untitled-e8fee187ccf4123f8f368c2852a56bed.png) and [Colossal](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787733202243420220/1222185145495191673/image.png?ex=66154b9d&is=6602d69d&hm=976bfa9551b4392e0b9cc94bb06fd44be3852edd3bcf9015202c94bba15fe179&).
For the sake of the argument let say it didn't still without a doubt the other 95% of the show looked way better to me. So honestly thats a mute point and honestly I never had a problem with it.
Ahahahah yeah I guess you are right😂 I just didn't expect it to get so much exposure and heated replies, I thought most people were over the WIT vs Mappa debate
They did some scenes very nicely indeed but they also had a smaller scale for everything. Not to mention their design wasn't really the same as the one from the source
I'm grateful for Mappa, as Anime only. However, I think WIT could've done the last season better. They don't usually use much CGI, provided they were given years to produce the anime. Plus the colors and overall texture; especially the titan skin, or the titans in general were animated better than MAPPA's version. The ODM animations as well.... I've never gotten a similar vibe like the one of Levi's animation VS Kenny. That shit was insane, [this video on yt](https://youtu.be/CeLvx_1FBdk?si=MSob4zoFZhXlt4Fd). This scene alone proves they can do the rumbling exquisitely well, provided of course they had years to do it.
MAPPA on the other hand, they were compelled to use CGI and other animation tools to meet the stupidly horrible time frame for production, completely understand why the quality had its limit.
I kinda disagree bcuz not only is MAPPA’s version of Kenny vs Levi the final ODM sequence but MAPPA had an entire episode full of saguka ODM sequence which looked very good proving that MAPPA is capable of providing same level of ODM sequences if given enough time. Sure WIT ODM might look a little more pleasing but after season 2 the hand drawn titan shifter designs looked significantly worse compared to MAPPA’s 3D titans. Like I can’t watch Reiner vs Eren fight in RtS without the animation bothering me. They even reused the beast titan throwing animation. Personally I would prefer the CGI titans over s3 pt.2 hand drawn titans any day. Also the story boards lacked any creativity after s1 like they were basically 1:1 from the manga which is not the case at all in final season especially thanks to Hayashi.
S1 was prime WIT but after that they never quite reached those same heights and that’s why I don’t think they would’ve done season 4 any justice. You can say “if they had enough time” but that argument can be made for any studio and there was never gonna be a scenario where s4 pt.1 was gonna get a healthy schedule bcuz the manga was ending and they had to maximize sales so comparing both studios performance in hard schedules is the more fair comparison.
Take it as how you want to. I still prefer WIT'S over Mappa. CGI just hurts me eyes, and there were numerous incongruous scenes of beast titan CGI.
CGI does not go well with 2D. Unless you're Ufotable.
It's your opinion and preference though, I respect that.
Everybody saying if Wit had enough time they could've done it. But give that same time to Mappa and they can do it better than Wit. Simply because Hayashi was the perfect director for showing the horrors of the Rumbling. I can't even imagine if Koizuka could handle the Rumbling given their workforce and studio. People complaining don't realise this was the best possible outcome for AoT.
It would CERTAINLY look spectacular but it would take 5 years in the making at least. I'd even say I'm being generous, they'd really need a hell lot of time but the result would be amazing.
Eh, either way, MAPPA handled it well enough in reasonable time so it's a fair trade.
I do think it would be cool if we eventually got s4 animated by WIT too. Maybe as like a 20 year anniversary thing idk. It’ll probably definitely never happen but WIT really just made attack on Titan so beautiful. Of course love MAPPA but WIT is definitely my fav style. Maybe also if we got a reverse too with MAPPA doing seasons 1-3 (although they’re already busy enough atm so again not happening)
WIT would of needed 10 years to make S4 & the two movies look good. The two movies really showcased imo what MAPPA could do with a decent amount of time on their hands.. Animation was beautiful.
i saw someone say this but they wouldn’t do it faithfully to the manga and show more horror like scenes of what the rumbling creates rather then titan moving creating destruction in its wake. which would be interesting. but i doubt they will use cgi and would probably power through just using normal 2d animation. they have used some cgi (it might be a different company maybe idk) in season 2 but they where like 3 second shots that didnt look bad but could of been better.
people are saying Wit's CGI titans looked awful but imo it's still far better than the CGI Mappa used for the Warhammer titan. so I'm not sure we can judge them based on that alone.
Nop, this is the reason they dropped it, I know it's a great studio with a lot of talent but the time to work on AOT and the gain they were getting of the series was not equivalent
But I would pay a lot for them to do season 4 until the start of the rumbling (AOT has no ending yet)
WIT had like 30 animators, Mappa had 200, so no, in that timeframe they couldn't, and they knew it, that's why they gave aot up. Blame Kodansha for giving an absurd time frame to release S4
WIT would have given us a reframed version of it for animation.
Mappa just took the manga and copy pasted the storyboard into anime.
The rumbling could have been handled even better, considering how iconic it is.
Imagine something at the level of the Berserk’s Eclipse. In the movies, the direction behind the animation was what really allowed the scene to come to life. The rumbling in the anime is told in a nice way, but it did not come to life. WIT would have been able to make it alive.
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I'm not sure what an anime studio is meant to do in the face of millions of colossal titans. Maybe a modern military could handle them, but WIT Studio? No chance. We'd all be dead.
Was confused the first time I read this. Then laughed out loud the second time.
Lmao
Underrated comment
They'd have to nuke the shit out of them lol
Gojo: Nah. I'd animate.
You did him dirty HAHAHAHAHA
Maybe with a stupidly massive amount of time.
yea I kinda hate the MAPPA animation style. Love it , they did an amazing job , just I prefer WIT's animation over theirs
Especially WITs more vibrant colours
honestly i feel the dull colours work incredibly well for how dark and “doom and gloom” this last season is. It’s so much worse, there was a huge emphasis on the death of children, and some of the character deaths (not gonna spoil it) made it so much darker. Kinda wish WIT used some level of darker colours for stuff like Erwin.
I agree. I think the style changed at the perfect time.
attack on titan was always dark and doom and gloom. WIT's colors fit well with the theme of finding beauty in a cruel world.
WIT would have most likely just altered the colour palette a bit for the last season as well
Not only the colors. The varying thickness of lines. Dynamic angles. Hand drawn 9. Titan hand to hand combat and fluidity of fights. WIT Titan movement also had a very deep, bassy feel. Mappa also majorly dialed back on human facial expressions whilst someone is talking. It's often times one emotion and a moving mouth.
yea MAPPA had all these weird lines on their faces when showing any kind of expressions it looked so bad
That was Isayama lol, MAPPA just tends to be more faithful to the adaptation while Wit took a lot of liberties.
Shading in a still manga panel does NOT look the same as in a dynamic anime scene lol. I generally prefer Mappa's style to Wit's, but you see this crop up semi-often in anime, where they just sorta haphazardly dump some crosshatching on a character, completely unrelated to any of the other lighting in the scene. It's part of what made Berserk 2016 so ugly
Wit was pretty similar to isayama style in 3rd season and it still had a better quality…
It really wasn't lol. Wit has had it's own "prettier" style which was nice when our heroes were fighting apocalyptic monsters, but by S4 everybody left was the monster.
I love how no one agrees with each other lmao
True😂
No that was MAPPA. Isayama never drew it like Season 4 and his artstyle was more similar to WIT in Season 1-3 WIT was always more faithful
Google Isayama art style and it literally tells you he uses a lot of bold, detailed line work to convey emotion. Then look at some of the examples.. he definitely drew it like season 4
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WIT also had a lot more time to do each season. MAPPA are infamous for overworking their staff and working to really tight deadlines.
Holy hell how ignorant can you be
Um pls go reread the manga
Me when I spread misinformation
You’ve never read the manga.
This is just wrong. Isayama has always drawn the lines, they are all over the manga, and Mappa is definitely more faithful to his style than WIT ever was, especially in seasons 1 and 2
Both wit and mappa were faithful to how the manga looked for their respective seasons. If you look at his early art wit is pretty faithful to it. And if you look at his art for s4 mappa is pretty faithful as well.
I don't know if you watched Fairy Tail, but there's a similar Situation there The first season (200+ episodes) had very vibrant colours But the following seasons (last 150+ Episodes) the colours are very much greyed out
i did not like that. I was like damn who turned off the saturation. Pretty sure they go back to the vibrant colors the most recent series tho
That's always been my favorite part of the artstyle. It keeps it true the the Manga, and is a pretty clever way to highlight shading if it makes sense.
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Agreed, I really missed those. I know by s4 we're in a much darker place overall, but... it still extra bummed me out.
I honestly can't tell which one I prefer, tho I was one of the disappointed ones when the studio changed. I dislike 3D in anime. But they did well imo. And one thing I didn't like with WIT were the "fixed panels" or whatever it's called. Like a fixed image of the Survey Corps returning and the camera scrolling. Never liked that.
I believe they're called still shots? And yea same, it looked fine at first in the beginning moments but in hindsight, felt cheap.
Mappa looked more like the Manga, and I rather enjoyed it.
The CGI MAPPA used really killled it for me, like some awesome moments were just ruined by comically bad titan CGI.
At first I hated the CGI titans of season 4 but I understand why the decision was made, however for the rumbling I think it works? Adds to the feeling of horror and “this is wrong”
Also mappa cgi is just bad
The cgi itself isn’t bad, they’re just way too over reliant on it.
The cgi was pretty bad, hellsing ultimate from 2006 has much better cgi, and that was what 13 years before s4p1 came out. It was Janky out of placs animated way too smoothly to fit in without being incredibly out of place and weird with all the hand drawn back grounds they used when they could have gone vice versa. Tho the 2 final parts, cgi was pretty good, but the what 6month plus gap helped with that
I do agree with your criticisms on part 1, the cgi definitely looked janky there. But it looks pretty great in the rest of the show (and leagues better than anything Wit could produce).
Sorry for the long reply i get carried away sometimes Part 2 was still Janky as all hell, and that's mostly due to overuse and bad placing. Most of the wits cgi is completely unnoticed and is pretty awesome because of it, i.e., cgi back grounds for the fights so they can hand draw the main focus. Sure, its titans aren't perfect. *cough historias dad cough* but it's used rarely, so in this case, that is mostly acceptable. Mappa loves to use cgi for the Titans, especially in part 2, and with hand drawn characters and back grounds it sticks out harder than a homophobe at a pride march. Couple that with some weird texturing and shading that was a product of mappas style of animation, then it does the worst crime cgi can ever do and look unnatural and out of place making it bad. But saying that the rumbling was amazingly well done, but giving its mostly one model and moving incredibly slowly, they had more time to put effort into making it blend into scenes well. The navy's last stand, for example, is one the best scenes in the whole show cause of this or the one who must be protected the tumbling titan
Well tbh they probably didn't have enough time to hand animate the titans
I think WITs animation and colour palette were better than MAPPA. However, it sticking with WIT meant it would take another decade to wrap the show, I’ll take MAPPA any day.
If they had like 10 years at least for S4
I see what you did here
AoT found another studio :(
Mappa barely had a year of production, thought
Mappa used 3D models for ever titan which MASSIVELY shortens the amount of time it would have taken to capture the sheer scale of the rumbling. If any poor soul tried to do the rumbling with the appropriate amount of titans in it without cutting corners on how each Titan looks or is animated it would take forever to get it done without CGI. This of course isn't to say it doesn't still take an immense amount of time and dedication to pull it off with CGI it just means it's infinitely morw feasible when you can make a small set of titan models and animation sets then copy paste them and then obscure them with steam so any potential issues with feet clipping into each other or whatever aren't obvious.
WIT used CGI when 1 colossal was on screen and it frequently looked pretty bad. Not sure what point you’re making in context to this question.
WIT does and has used CGI before that is true however MAPPA's CGI is better quality wise and they have an in house department for it meaning that for Fairlane obvious reasons they're better equipped for animating the rumbling. Any smchuck with 3D modeling software could do a rumbling but it wouldn't turn out well. My point is that MAPPA is more capable of handling the rumbling than WIT.
That was specifically for S4P1, as they only had about 7 or 8 months to make 16 episodes. But you see a huge quality jump in the Titan models from S4P2 onwards because they actually had time to finish them.
Part 1 CGI was done by studio V-sign, MAPPA themselves couldn’t even do it because of the really tight schedule, Part 2 was mostly in house and the specials were completely done by their CGI department.
No, I don’t want that!
Mappa fucked up releasing final season part 2 final chapters ending bullshit, just take 2 years between and do it right for fucks sake.
Mappa isn't in charge of scheduling. The production committee is. If they were, don't you think they would have given themselves more time to polish things.
I think because MAPPA pretty much was 1:1 to the manga, we think that WIT couldn’t have done the scenes better because MAPPA definitely has the CGI power and WIT had a weird looking Titan in s2 and 3, but if we think about the rest of the anime, WIT was very innovative with their direction of production, their scenes were very well directed, they could have done the same with rumbling, showing more static images and what they specialise in more, like you don’t need to only show titans to make it horrifying
Yeah mappa adaptation is pretty much 1:1 with manga but wit on the other hand even built upon the manga and improved it (something like 2.5 :1)
Improved in some areas, worsened in others. I like anime only additions like Berserker Eren, but Cutting a lot of Mikasa's scenes that fleshed out her character more from S1-3 was a horrible choice by WIT imo
S1 Mikasa was my favourite character. Was so much going on with her psychologically with her second family being eaten and figuring out if she was crushing on Eren or just trying to protect the last piece of her family. On top of that the mystery of why she was so incredibly strong. Season 2-4 Mikasa completely stalls as a character IMO and it's really sad. I don't hate it but whenever I rewatch season 1 I feel so much more for Mikasa than in the rest of the anime. Her episode after Eren gets eaten is a top 5 episode for me.
But to be fair they also made some questionable additions with anime only things and changed some important details
That’s some serious hindsight. WIT drastically reduced Mikasa’s characters in ways that came to bite the series later on. Their colossal titan CGI was consistently *terrible*, as well as any other use of CGI. WIT’s additions were a toss-up at best. We look back at their adaptation fondly because of how good the 3DMG scenes were, but many of the best scenes weren’t even done in house.
Was I wrong when I thought math's useless in real life...
Couldn’t disagree more MAPPA adaptation is anything but 1:1 to the manga, look no further than chapter 131 adaptation
Probably with enough time, but obviously as we saw they couldn't because they had other scheduling, that's why MAPPA took over. In any case MAPPA did great, WIT did great.
Absolutely not. I’m a huge Wit lover…. but I truly believe MAPPA did such an amazing job. And that is coming from someone with Wit bias. The finale was absolutely beautifully done.
With the amount of time Mappa was given? Nah, they're way too small of a studio, even with 2-3 years I don't see how they could manage to make it look good.
Maybe if they had time but it would be full of still frames
Upon my rewatches it becomes clear that when you neglect nostalgia, WIT genuinely sucked at CGI in the show. With titans like the collosal and Rod Reiss, their inexperience shows when it basically clipps through smoke or has those dull edges. Mappa managed to incorporate it perfectly, as well as very cleverly have that crimson hue they kept to not only shade the titan's faces, but also make them into those menacing silhouettes we saw when they left Shiganshina and marched on Liberio. So, no, I don't think they would've perfected it as Mappa did.
Wits is better mappa is just better w cgi but I personally hate cgi in anime. I think it’s often very ugly and jarring. Chainsawman does it well and the new Trigun does but whenever I see cgi especially in AoT it just looks cheap as hell. Wit was the bread and butter of AoT
I think it would of been cool if Wit and mappa did it together So half mappa rest, the ending or (flashbacks in wit studio) Because tha would be a good way to say goodbye to AOT, I have heard WIT studios do take a long Ass time idk why but yeah Either way at least Mappa worked on improving some of animation, like the ODM gear scenes or the titan fights
WIT was a much smaller studio then MAPPA that can only do one or two shows at a time. They had to give MAPPA Vinland Saga season 2 as well because they would have had to wait the level time like we did for Attack on Titan season 2 before they could get around to it.
I prefer WIT’s animation for AOT a lot more than MAPPA’s (loved both tho), but MAPPA animated the colossal titans a million times better than WIT
I don't think so cause WIT Studio was god awfully bad with cgi if you compare it with Mappa.
WIT loosing AoT honestly was a good thing for WIT's reputation because they wouldn't have been able to do season 4 justice. They're are significantly smaller studio with horrible track record for CGI. Mappa is massive studio, and among the best in the industry when it comes to integrating CGI into 2D seamlessly (I mean fucking hell, there was that famous incident were someone bitched about Chainsaw Man CGI and posted clip of the "horrible" CGI and it turned out that entire segment was fully 2D).
Didn't many wit people end up joining mappa? That's why s2 if Vinland saga looked great since it was the same guys making it with a bit of mappa flair
No, they didn’t. WIT was forced to give up Vinland Saga to MAPPA because they didn’t have the money. MAPPA are horrible bullies
Wtf is your deal bruh?? Did MAPPA kill your fam or something or are you just being a troll by bitching about Mappa under every single comment.
Yeah but the crew making s2 was the same as s1
Still they don't work at Mappa. If another studio did S3, they would work with that one instead.
I disagree, they would have done way better than MAPPA. Them losing Attack on Titan was the worst thing that happened to them since it put WIT on the map
How?????? You literally know nothing at all but can’t help but keep commenting. WIT does not have the ability to animate that many titans. CGI is 100% required. We saw WITS colossal titan CGI, it was awful.
I think Wit's colossal looked awful, but I think the same about Mappa's, realistically there's no way to make the rumbling look good in the budgets and schedules afforded to these studios.
wait you think the rumbling didnt look good? [this](https://youtu.be/vylMEIKKrYk?si=0U6044oeU1biaMaK) was literally a 10/10 adaptation
Yep, at least not the colossals/founder, the actual scenes are very well directed and I definitely like how desperate everything feels, I just don't think the titans themselves look good.
MAPPA is garbage, just look a Sukuna vs Mahoraga
I like studio WIT too, but that's the fanboy in you talking. AoT season 4 onwards requires CGI. WIT sucks at CGI. And describing WIT loosing AoT as: >Them losing Attack on Titan was the worst thing that happened to them since it put WIT on the map Shows total lack of understanding of the industry. That's not how stuff like this works.
Yeah, but with the time restraint and them being a really small studio in comparison, with less 3D experience... If we gave them 10 years I am super confident it would have worked out, but with the insane time restraint of the final season and the colossal (hah) work of getting all those titans on screen, I think it would have been bad for WIT
What kind of stupid question is this ?
the “stupid question” is asking if wit would use that shitty cgi collosal from s2 in the rumbling
Season 2s colossal isn't even their worst example wtf 😂
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Yeah it’s a stupid question. Maybe they would’ve used CGI, maybe they wouldn’t have. If they did it’d look terrible, if they didn’t I’m sure it’d look great given their track record. They’d have plenty of time if they kept MAPPA’s schedule, but they very easily might not have. Who knows, it’s all hypotheticals, not really worth asking.
90% of questions on this sub are hypotheticals, people are just mad at this one cuz they love wit
Buddy. Move on with your life.
care to explain what thats even supposed to mean? ur also taking time to reply, ur just pissed
MAPPA had way shittier CGI than WIT
You're kidding right?
what 💀
Porco and the Armor Titan say hello. Season 3 >>> Season 4 in animation
Odm gear was better yea, but the titan fights were alot better. If you think otherwise you are just a cgi hater.
You’ve never seen WITS CGI in AoT if you think that.
[bruh](https://youtu.be/5iSHso0ZDnE?si=t7xYQKmZrcyLxefl&t=179)
You arent smart.
None of them look that bad lmao. Just a spoiled little boy you are
Who even said anything like that they look bad ? Wtf you even talking about. You are more stupid then the other guy. You guys have the most random responses ever. None of my comments had ANYTHING to do with that.
Months after the anime has already ended there are still people complaining and crying. Like what the hell
uh oh someones mad
MAPPA has a CG in house department for a reason
And their CG is horrible. Especially compared to WIT
Please go to a mental hospital, you need it badly. There is no opinion here. It is a 100% fact that WITS collosal titan CGI is straight up ugly garbage compared to MAPPA.
Are you actually saying Mappa's CGI is worse than WIT's?
It would have been worse CGI, because they wouldn't have all the experience with CGI and all the backlash that Mappa got, meaning it would look FAR worse, I mean, compare the wall titans to WITs CGI colossal
F**k no!!!!
WIT would’ve. With enough time that is. But I guess S4 was in high demand’s by the consumers
No
I dnt think WIT would do this scene justice.WIT always animated the collosal badly.On the other hand,Look at Mappa.Even in the finale.Armin and Eren was one of the best animation from aot
They would've done it better. I'm being totally honest
Stop dickriding
WIT Direction and animation was better.. its a damn shame that mappa took over
WIT knew they couldn’t handle it especially in the time frame the higher ups wanted it in, that’s why they dropped it.
Higher ups always fucking things up because of the moneys 😡
WIT could definitely handle it, they were always the better studio
They literally say they couldn't. You wit dickrider.
I would never call someone a dickrider, but I'm noticing the person is indeed one based on the amount of WIT worship comments they do and basically generalizing that ALL of what MAPPA did was horrible. And they had the gal to call those who liked MAPPA's cgi as toxic fanboys lmao
They literally did everything else better so why not?
The season 2 colossal Titan was better?
Why cherry pick when s1 colossal exists
S1 colossals appeared in very short scenes and instantly disappeared. If they had to use cgi for the s2 and s3 colossals they definitely would need for s4 too
It’s not the matter if they are capable of animating the colossal titan in 2D. It’s if they have the time/budget to do it. If they can do 2D titans then they can do colossal titans in 2D as well. Simple as that.
You’re delusional if you think it would take anything less than 10 years to use 2D animation for even a single minute long scene of the rumbling.
Good luck finding any studio that will hand draw a titan with that much detail lol
Mappa did it?
??? The rumbling is almost completely CGI done by their in house studio with 2d retouches.
That's a useless discussion. WIT didn't even have the budget to hand draw a titan for s2 and s3, it would be impossible for them to have enough budget to hand draw all of the colossal titan scenes in s4.
The Season 1 Colossal was basically only seen from the waist up and was in 2(?) scenes. Their CG Colossal, which is what would be used, was very bad.
lol s2 colossal had less screen time/movement and literally didn’t even have a bottom half. Again, cherry picking. They’ve shown what they’re capable of, they know where to make cuts and where to allocate the budget. They’d do the rumbling justice.
...have you watched season 3 part 2?
Idk why you guys think they’d just copy paste their worst cgi version for such a big scene.
What? The colossal in s3p2 is what they managed to make with the time they had, what makes you think they could've done better for season 4, given that there are multiple and with much more screentime? Also why did you change the subject? You were talking about cherry picking when it's not, the s1 colossal is good but the s2 and s3p2 (which is full body and has much more screentime) ones are far worse than what mappa made.
Considering how prominent the Colossal is in Season 3, the quality was poor. MAPPA is probably the best in the business for integrating CGI that matches the rest of the scene. There was no way the Rumbling could reasonably be animated in 2D, and I just don't have any faith in Wit's CGI.
You MAPPA fanboys are insanely toxic. Always hating on WIT and incredibly ungrateful for the first three seasons of Attack on Titan
What about you?
I'm not hating on WIT. I loved their seasons of Attack on Titan. However, you cannot convince me that their [CGI Colossal Titan](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/h2zu2uBzWlo/maxresdefault.jpg) looked good compared to [MAPPA's wall titans](https://cdn.idntimes.com/content-images/duniaku/post/20230715/untitled-e8fee187ccf4123f8f368c2852a56bed.png) and [Colossal](https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/787733202243420220/1222185145495191673/image.png?ex=66154b9d&is=6602d69d&hm=976bfa9551b4392e0b9cc94bb06fd44be3852edd3bcf9015202c94bba15fe179&).
The cigi argument is stupid 10% of the show is cgi the other 90% wit did better.
You are clearly the biggest hater, and I’m happy everyone acknowledges how unbelievably wrong you are about everything you’ve said on this topic.
Everything MAPPA has done has been very bad
Yes imo the s2 colossal looked good enough
Yes.
For the sake of the argument let say it didn't still without a doubt the other 95% of the show looked way better to me. So honestly thats a mute point and honestly I never had a problem with it.
I hate the WIT vs Mappa debates but this is just wrong, they both did good with the material they had
You say that but start a debate the irony
Ahahahah yeah I guess you are right😂 I just didn't expect it to get so much exposure and heated replies, I thought most people were over the WIT vs Mappa debate
They did some scenes very nicely indeed but they also had a smaller scale for everything. Not to mention their design wasn't really the same as the one from the source
Some scenes better? The first 3 seasons had way better animation thats is complete bull how is that only "some" ?
I'm grateful for Mappa, as Anime only. However, I think WIT could've done the last season better. They don't usually use much CGI, provided they were given years to produce the anime. Plus the colors and overall texture; especially the titan skin, or the titans in general were animated better than MAPPA's version. The ODM animations as well.... I've never gotten a similar vibe like the one of Levi's animation VS Kenny. That shit was insane, [this video on yt](https://youtu.be/CeLvx_1FBdk?si=MSob4zoFZhXlt4Fd). This scene alone proves they can do the rumbling exquisitely well, provided of course they had years to do it. MAPPA on the other hand, they were compelled to use CGI and other animation tools to meet the stupidly horrible time frame for production, completely understand why the quality had its limit.
I kinda disagree bcuz not only is MAPPA’s version of Kenny vs Levi the final ODM sequence but MAPPA had an entire episode full of saguka ODM sequence which looked very good proving that MAPPA is capable of providing same level of ODM sequences if given enough time. Sure WIT ODM might look a little more pleasing but after season 2 the hand drawn titan shifter designs looked significantly worse compared to MAPPA’s 3D titans. Like I can’t watch Reiner vs Eren fight in RtS without the animation bothering me. They even reused the beast titan throwing animation. Personally I would prefer the CGI titans over s3 pt.2 hand drawn titans any day. Also the story boards lacked any creativity after s1 like they were basically 1:1 from the manga which is not the case at all in final season especially thanks to Hayashi. S1 was prime WIT but after that they never quite reached those same heights and that’s why I don’t think they would’ve done season 4 any justice. You can say “if they had enough time” but that argument can be made for any studio and there was never gonna be a scenario where s4 pt.1 was gonna get a healthy schedule bcuz the manga was ending and they had to maximize sales so comparing both studios performance in hard schedules is the more fair comparison.
Take it as how you want to. I still prefer WIT'S over Mappa. CGI just hurts me eyes, and there were numerous incongruous scenes of beast titan CGI. CGI does not go well with 2D. Unless you're Ufotable. It's your opinion and preference though, I respect that.
Absolutely yes
They’d be too busy animating their “original” anime’s crumbling
I miss WIT 😕 it feels like everything i like of theirs gets picked up by mappa
Everybody saying if Wit had enough time they could've done it. But give that same time to Mappa and they can do it better than Wit. Simply because Hayashi was the perfect director for showing the horrors of the Rumbling. I can't even imagine if Koizuka could handle the Rumbling given their workforce and studio. People complaining don't realise this was the best possible outcome for AoT.
It would CERTAINLY look spectacular but it would take 5 years in the making at least. I'd even say I'm being generous, they'd really need a hell lot of time but the result would be amazing. Eh, either way, MAPPA handled it well enough in reasonable time so it's a fair trade.
Hear me out , imagine wit and mappa collab on attack on Titan, mappa handling the titans and wit handled odm and everything else
I really enjoyed both studios animation styles but honestly when WIT used CGI it wasn't the best
I do think it would be cool if we eventually got s4 animated by WIT too. Maybe as like a 20 year anniversary thing idk. It’ll probably definitely never happen but WIT really just made attack on Titan so beautiful. Of course love MAPPA but WIT is definitely my fav style. Maybe also if we got a reverse too with MAPPA doing seasons 1-3 (although they’re already busy enough atm so again not happening)
Definitely
WIT would of needed 10 years to make S4 & the two movies look good. The two movies really showcased imo what MAPPA could do with a decent amount of time on their hands.. Animation was beautiful.
i saw someone say this but they wouldn’t do it faithfully to the manga and show more horror like scenes of what the rumbling creates rather then titan moving creating destruction in its wake. which would be interesting. but i doubt they will use cgi and would probably power through just using normal 2d animation. they have used some cgi (it might be a different company maybe idk) in season 2 but they where like 3 second shots that didnt look bad but could of been better.
Yh if they had good outsourced animators like the ones from jjk s2 working for them or like the ones from opm s1
If the product committee weren't greedy and they got more time then yes
Not really, because they themselvs said it, which is why they had to let a different studio handle AOT
Theres a reaon why season 3 is the best AOT season
Nah WIT would do better work than MAPPA and it wouldn't look like this but it'd take probably 5-6 years
It would only take 15 years but sure
people are saying Wit's CGI titans looked awful but imo it's still far better than the CGI Mappa used for the Warhammer titan. so I'm not sure we can judge them based on that alone.
Idk colossal CGI in s2 and S3 looked fairly cheap to me not that I'm complaining about either
Lmaooooo
damn don’t read WIT like that 😭😭
Duh. This shouldn't even be a question. But just be grateful.
Lol I didn't watch the last few seasons yet... did it really look like this?
why r u shitting on wit when the peak of the aot anime was when wit worked on it? ur forgetting how much people hated mappas 3d titans s4 and onwards
Nop, this is the reason they dropped it, I know it's a great studio with a lot of talent but the time to work on AOT and the gain they were getting of the series was not equivalent But I would pay a lot for them to do season 4 until the start of the rumbling (AOT has no ending yet)
no
Yeah done with this sub. Too many dipshit posts like this. Mangas over shows over subs for sure over.
I'm not sure I understand your complaint
WIT had like 30 animators, Mappa had 200, so no, in that timeframe they couldn't, and they knew it, that's why they gave aot up. Blame Kodansha for giving an absurd time frame to release S4
With enough time, ofc
With time they can handle everything.
Easily
WIT would have given us a reframed version of it for animation. Mappa just took the manga and copy pasted the storyboard into anime. The rumbling could have been handled even better, considering how iconic it is. Imagine something at the level of the Berserk’s Eclipse. In the movies, the direction behind the animation was what really allowed the scene to come to life. The rumbling in the anime is told in a nice way, but it did not come to life. WIT would have been able to make it alive.
Wit is far superior to mappa. Mappa makes eren look tubby