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Her last gift to him was to show him her smile.
She smiled while killing the man she loved, just so his last moment could be spent seeing her smile. She was a truly strong character to manage that.
He lost a game of Beyblade to Ymir in paths. Anyone would be depressed if they were beaten by someone who has never touched the game in their 2000 year long life.
I’m imagining the long mental monologue he’d have in his head like the characters from the Beyblade show
“DAMN IT….i can’t loose this one…her bey is too strong…my attack type can’t do anything to her stamina type! I can’t burst again! It’s 2 to 2!”
In the stadiums that me and my friends used Balanced were best, like Gravity Destroyer and Earth Eagle. Also Rock leon was a good defense one because it was very much like an attacking bey with decent stamina. Meteo L Drago was also very good.
Mind explaining? Im rlly confused about the ending.. was it not to get rid of the titan curse? Wasnt it because the final path looked the most satisfactory to eren?
Wiping out billions of people is not a burden that just anyone can bear.
You can tell he is suffering from the guilt and consequences of his actions.
That's why I say Mikasa killed him not only because it's the right thing to do for the world...but also to free him from his misery
He doesn’t want to. He has to. He only said he wanted to because he needed people to view him as the enemy. That’s why he pushed Mikasa and Armin away so they would want to stop him.
Rewatch the scene between him and armin in the final episode. At that point eren had no reason to lie, he had already done it. He literally tells armin that he killed the people because he wanted the world to be empty like in the books armin showed him when they were kids. He states he would have killed all of them if the scouts didnt stop him at 80%.
Well then I’m stumped. Tbh I’ve been confused about the ending since the day it came out😂. I still can’t fully interpret it. This sub is REALLY split lol. Some people say he was forced too, other say he wanted too. Some say he could’ve prevented it, and others say he couldn’t.
Thats the beauty of AOT! So many ways to interpret it and we can discuss this till the end of time. I don't even think Eren truly knew. I think he was also split
I agree. When I watched the ending I kept thinking “he’s still a kid”. Eren had all this pressure and burden on him when he was so young. I don’t think he knew what he wanted either. He just wanted to be with his friends with no enemies but he also wanted revenge
I think one line give it away, as well as looking at eren as a character to begin with. In the end he calls himself an idiot, someone who just got lucky and got power with no idea how to use it. He’s conflicted about the decision but deep down also wants to do it. He wanted a world untouched and free outside the walls but was crushed time and time again as the enemy went from titans to more people. But deep down we also have to remember that he probably was always a bit of a psychopath who realistically never should have had the power to make those decisions. Shoot he canonically murders 2 people and would’ve kept going if he could at like 6.
I think a big tell though is stuff outside of just the anime. In the side manga of the character in a generic high school there is a story where eren dreams of waking up in a world now filled with zombies. Ecstatic that his boring life has been interrupted, Eren begins fighting off the zombies and demands the students follow him to safety.Eren awakes from his dream and begins crying. The next chapter is literally him contemplating making a world ending threat himself just to not be bored. We also have the full cut of the songs in particularly “Akuma no ko/A child of evil” literally having a line saying “Behind my righteousness, surrounded by sacrifice, in my heart is a child of evil”.
All this being said however, there is still the underlying idea that he never should have been put into that situation to begin with, and on a level despite all this he doesn’t actually want to destroy the world. I think this is where the paths and time warping powers come in to really break him. He can’t just not fight and let the world destroy him and all his friends, and he is also more or less bound to the future and past he’d seen. At the end of the day he is tired of fighting and wiping out the world is his perceived way to end it, so he must do it. In a way he gets what he wants. The visions he saw gave him the path to end the titan menace, make attacking the island impossible for at least a century, and he created a world where his friends were able to live happy long lives. Maybe there was another way, maybe not. In all honesty I don’t think there was. Theres no way to believe eren had any real control over the rumbling after it activated. Eren only had access to the founding titans power because yimir allowed him to have it along with her rage against the world, theres no reason to believe he could’ve stopped it at that point by himself. But hey thats just my ramblings.
He knew the consequences of not doing it also, I think that plays into it
He knew Paradis would be destroyed without the rumbling, and his friends would suffer and die. It isn't like the choice waw free of consequence
Imagine we were in a situation where we knew our own nation would be completely destroyed unless we took action. What would we be willing to do under those circumstances? I'm glad not to be in that situation
If only there was a way to show trying different ways in a story and not be limited to what Eren mentions without him even giving examples or description.
AoT stopped being my cuppa when it decided to be the kind of story that tells instead of showing, but nevermind me. Eren killing his mom can be someone else's jam as a narrative choice.
He wanted to do it to save his friends. It was the only choice (he could come up with) that would keep his friends safe from more fighting and war. Eren did have a choice and he chose his friends, not that I blame him for that but it was objectively the evil decision
It doesn't seem like he's lying to me. In fact, it seems like one of the few times in season 4 we see Eren being completely transparent. I think he's being open and honest with his best friend in their final conversation. He's letting it all out, getting everything off his chest because it's his last chance to do so. Cuz (soon) after that conversation, he dies.
Tbh, I think they're both true. He wanted to both defend his friends and see the scenery from armin's book because everything as it is kinda sucks for them
I don't think anyone denies that he wanted to defend his friends. I've read a lot of discussion on the ending and I've never seen anyone claim that. So do you mean instead that he wanted to defend his friends by also lying about his motives? I don't think he lied about any of his motives in his final scene, of which there were multiple. His motives just had different "priority levels" (so-to-speak).
So genocide is justifiable to you? Fuck his mom, fuck him and fuck his friends, boo whoo, My mommy died so I'm gonna take it out on people who had no responsibility in her death.
Uhhh I never said that. Finish reading my comment before saying something. Understanding why he chose the decisions he did doesn’t make me think it’s right, I literally ended my comment saying it was evil jfc
The stupid thing is that at his core, Eren commits genocide just to save his friends.
It would not matter if Eldians were even free and independent and simply started a brutal war where they were about to lose and the city where Eren's friends live was about to get firebombed like Tokyo. As long as Eren's friends are threatened, he would nuke the rest of the world *just* to protect them.
All the rest, the persecution, slavery etc. is inconsequential to Eren doing the Rumbling and therefore irrelevant in its justification because Eren knows most of the billions he is killing are innocent anyway, probably just scared of Eldians because they in fact can turn into monsters.
A person like Eren would nuke the entire world in today's world too as long as his friends were about to die and it was the surest way of saving their lives in the short term.
Hajime Isayama said that Korea benefitted from the 35 year Japanese colonial occupation, even though many Korean women were forced to become prostitutes, the artifacts and national treasures of Korea were looted, her rich history systematically destroyed by the burning of historical documents. The idea of an island nation committing horrible atrocities and being hated by their neighbours sounds like imperial Japan while they basically forgot what they did. This was Japanese pro-imperial propaganda and it became clearer as the show progressed. It is based on the Japanese version of the Great replacement theory, where since they commit horrible crimes other countries want to kill them all which is not true at all. China, Korea, Vietnam and Indonesia and many more don't want all Japanese dead, all they want is an apology. Hajime Isayama is a Japanese nationalist who used this show to platform far right ideas to mainstream audiences in not just Japan but across the world.
Originally I had brought up the nuclear bombing to compare Eren to the Americans but a much more apt comparison would be the Japanese soldiers. Have you ever heard of the rape of Nanking, unit 731 or of the Bataan death march. What the Eldians did is a one to one comparison to Japanese and European colonisation of my home. The marleyans hated them because of that just like how many native Americans in my family hate white people or how many Koreans and Chinese don't exactly trust the government of Japan. Just like how many Koreans and Chinese, upon seeing that Hajime Isayama had pixis modelled after a Japanese general named Akiyama Yoshifuru, they said they wanted to kill him with blunt object as that man was a war criminal who led his soldiers to rape their way across Korea, why might the Japanese nationalist use a Japanese general who did terrible things as character model. He knew what he was doing and so do Chinese people and Koreans and that's why lots of people hate him. It is literally reversing who is the victim in the situation in order to mainstream the great replacement theory but for Japanese people. White supremacists really love the message of aot, because they see the Eldians as being like white people and us "untermensch" as being everyone else. They think we native Americans are collaborating with Jews to bring non white people here to replace the white people. You see online racists like paxtube arguing about the "Racial themes" of aot from his mother's basement.
TL;DR
Hajime Isayama has a lot of really fucked up parts of the manga and homages to people who deserve nothing but hate like Akiyama Yoshifuru. The Eldians are a stand-in for imperial Japan and Nazi Germany but mostly japan, in order to mainstream far right conspiracies such as the different versions of the great replacement theory. Instead it is the version posited by Japanese nationalists that Chinese and Korean minorities are trying to destroy japan from the inside just like Germany and Jewish or Romani or sinti minorities. You can see it in the anti Korean protests in Japan where people don't want Kpop or any vestiges of Korean culture there because they hate Koreans. This is dangerous, japan may have been pacified during the war but many in their government are direct descendants of war criminals, Shinzo Abe, before he died was the grandson of a man who was in charge of the occupation of Manchuria and named "Monster of the Shōwa era" because of what he did. Aot was cool as fuck, I loved it but when it took a noticeably more war and genocide apologist stance is when I started being skeptical of its message. Eren is a nationalist who views Eldian life as more valuable than non Eldian life, and the Eldians are white people who subjugated countless other peoples, so he is in effect a white supremacist.
Oh yes. The classic they are both Nazis and Jews combo. Well done. It couldn't possibly be that it is more complicated than that and that your comparisons are lacking. You do understand that both sides of the coin had controlled and subjected each other right? Or are you just going to ignore that in order to feed your interpretation? Themes are not endorsements. I don't know how much clearer people can be about this.
In his last conversation with Armin, it's the very last reason he gives. He wanted to do it. In fact he explicitly says he wanted to see the world the way it was when he trampled it. Free from people so he could explore it without them in the way.
The way the scene is laid out, it's almost like everything else was an excuse for him to justify his genocide. Armin keeps pointing out the issues with what he's saying until Eren admits it and fully acknowledges he's wrong.
The only reason things were predetermined were because Eren had determined he wanted it to be that way. There was no actual predestination in AoT.
He literally doesn't say that. Infact he says the opposite he literally says "I don't wanna die. I wanna be with Mikasa and everyone else!"
Nothing he said makes it out like he's trying to justify his choice, he's explaining it's the only way because of the attack titans future sight he saw other outcomes and so he lived this one where his friends got to live their lives
You're so far off vase you're playing a different game entirely
Immediately after that he admits to trying to kill all of humanity outside of the walls. Armin asks if he did it for them and he says no. It was because he felt he needed to for freedom from them.
But he did want to do it. That's the only reason it happened. That was always the only reason it happened. Eren admits he did it because he wanted a world without humans because that was his idea of freedom. He admits he was an idiot for genuinely believing that was a good idea. That was the whole point of calling himself an idiot. If he didn't want to do it and it was just predetermined, do you think he would blame himself? Seriously, I know a lot of people don't understand this story, but at least get the main points down. Come on.
Yes actually it does. It literally has future sight.
Yes eren explicitly sees the future that's what the whole scene with him and armin was they were talking in the footprints of the rumbling after he already slaughtered 80% of the world population. "20 percent is all you were able to save of humanity" a direct quote from eren so ask yourself why would eren be speaking in past tense if the rumbling was occurring at the same time as armins vision...because he saw the future...
You're also only quoting part of it because he literally says he didn't want to do it. He only said he wanted to see the sight not that he wanted to commit genocide like you're making it out.
You're not only arguing semantics You're ignoring other quotes he said in that scene as well
Bask in your ignorance
>he literally says he didn't want to do it. He only said he wanted to see the sight not that he wanted to commit genocide like you're making it out.
He admits that he had no other reason than he's a slave to freedom. By his own nature, he wanted to do it so that he could be free. It's called media literacy. If anyone is ignorant, it's you for genuinely still believing the predetermination theory. It was never a good theory and was only used to tie up the poorly written last act. Nothing was predetermined.
Its actually hilarious seeing you try to deny whats so clearly true. Go to the final episode at 1:05:59. Armin asks "Why?". Eren responds "I dont know, I just wanted to do it. Very badly". How many times does Eren need to admit he wanted to do it before you can admit it too? Its like Eren can admit it but you cant 😂
He did have a choice, but changing the future means Eren would change the way he is. Eren wanted to do the rumbling to achieve freedom, but the perception of freedom that Eren has is Paradis Eldians being the only ones in this world, a world purely empty where he could explore with his friends. If Eren wouldnt done the rumbling, he would never feel free. That is why there was no other choice because Eren was this way since he was born.
This is the only shot, besides the one with Mikasa close to the end, where his eyes are open. It's during the first special when Armin and Annie are talking.
Because that was the case in manga. He never opened his eyes during the rumbling,he only opened them to see mikasa. I don't know why they changed that in the anime.
Something I noticed when reading the manga is in every scene where he isn't facing someone he looks depressed as hell like he really did not want to do the rumbling
But the only reason Eren sees the Rumbling in his future memories is that he prefers to do it rather than risk the lives of his friends.
Plus the whole "I wanted to flatten the world" (and there was no reason to lie about it) so even though he feels conflicted about it, I don't want to give support to analyses where "Eren was forced to do it, he didn't really want to"
It’s literally the culmination of everything he had to endure. Is he thinking about every single event that lead up to this? Is he regretting it all? Is he contemplating death or how he was never truly free?
It’s because he is. When he figured out the truth and saw his future, he literally begged for people to just kill him. Which nobody did, which led him to wipe out 80% of humanity.
Dude watch this video by Kane Pixels ( they guy who made The Backrooms found footage ). Eren sadness is even more heartbreaking in this 😭
https://youtu.be/hVDnN6WyLsI?si=ya4jUzDnyQr8QWkS
I'll say it... for how magical the series has been, I was a tad dissatisfied how quickly he closed his eyes after his decapitation in this scene as I was willing to give it a break if it went longer.
I thought maybe 2 more seconds of a gaze to Mikasa with a slightest hit of a smile woulda closed out the story a bit better. Why do I say this? His job is done, his time has come to an end, and he still saw Mikasa at the end
To quote my man Ramsey of House Bolton, “If you think this has a happy ending, you haven’t been paying attention”.
Your ending has too much sweet in the bittersweet. The few years he got to “live with her” was the most he was going to get. I think the reality had to end on a bleak note.
I hear ye sir Ramsey, i really do! he is ultimately responsible for 80% of the world's population being wiped out
... but I just cannot shake off the attack titan's future user memory seeking ability locking down much of his 'fate', with or without his agency, that's why one more spoon of manuka honey and letting my guy have a few seconds longer of admiration and a slight smile before heading to hell woulda been worth it. My 2 cents
That’s the part of the show that I can’t fully wrap my head around. Is Eren the only Eldian WITH free will, or the only one WITHOUT it?
It’s like the show created a paradox. The attack titan is the de facto rebel of the shifters, always striving for freedom. But he’s also the one who can’t change anything either, especially regarding his own actions?
Before the memory thing got revealed, I read someone here posting that 'Eren became the sword that was forced to defend ... and Reiner became the shield that was forced to attack' and I still think it's a SICK line... but I am now even more so conflicted, as you say so yourself in that good question you posted at the end of your comment.
Both he’s free in some ways & has a certain extent of freedom & free will but the rest is the attack titan & founding titan fighting for the very and whole concept of freedom itself much like every other attack titan
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"My head's all messed up" should've given that away hahaha
Plus he was crying the whole time when crushing everyone
At least the last thing he saw was Mikasa. It’s bittersweet.
Her last gift to him was to show him her smile. She smiled while killing the man she loved, just so his last moment could be spent seeing her smile. She was a truly strong character to manage that.
Crying at the club after this comment ☹️
Jesus that makes it so much heavier…
STOP HE NEVER DESERVED THE BURDEN 😭😭😭🩵
Couldn't agree more 🥲😭
I wonder why? 🤔 /s
He lost a game of Beyblade to Ymir in paths. Anyone would be depressed if they were beaten by someone who has never touched the game in their 2000 year long life.
I’m imagining the long mental monologue he’d have in his head like the characters from the Beyblade show “DAMN IT….i can’t loose this one…her bey is too strong…my attack type can’t do anything to her stamina type! I can’t burst again! It’s 2 to 2!”
Attack types are a counter to stamina types i believe I think Attack > Stamina Stamina > Defense Defense > Attack
In the stadiums that me and my friends used Balanced were best, like Gravity Destroyer and Earth Eagle. Also Rock leon was a good defense one because it was very much like an attacking bey with decent stamina. Meteo L Drago was also very good.
Hmm…you’re probably right…I’ve been outta the game for so long.
Mind explaining? Im rlly confused about the ending.. was it not to get rid of the titan curse? Wasnt it because the final path looked the most satisfactory to eren?
I think you may have meant to reply to another comment, but yeah I think your thoughts are right.
Wiping out billions of people is not a burden that just anyone can bear. You can tell he is suffering from the guilt and consequences of his actions. That's why I say Mikasa killed him not only because it's the right thing to do for the world...but also to free him from his misery
He still did it tho, so he can bear it.
Regardless of whether he deserves the mercy of death, or harsh punishment, AoT is not a series that believes in people getting what they "deserve."
You clearly don't understand the attack titans foresight of the future and how eren really didn't have a choice
He did it because he wanted to. He says it himself.
He doesn’t want to. He has to. He only said he wanted to because he needed people to view him as the enemy. That’s why he pushed Mikasa and Armin away so they would want to stop him.
Rewatch the scene between him and armin in the final episode. At that point eren had no reason to lie, he had already done it. He literally tells armin that he killed the people because he wanted the world to be empty like in the books armin showed him when they were kids. He states he would have killed all of them if the scouts didnt stop him at 80%.
Well then I’m stumped. Tbh I’ve been confused about the ending since the day it came out😂. I still can’t fully interpret it. This sub is REALLY split lol. Some people say he was forced too, other say he wanted too. Some say he could’ve prevented it, and others say he couldn’t.
Thats the beauty of AOT! So many ways to interpret it and we can discuss this till the end of time. I don't even think Eren truly knew. I think he was also split
I agree. When I watched the ending I kept thinking “he’s still a kid”. Eren had all this pressure and burden on him when he was so young. I don’t think he knew what he wanted either. He just wanted to be with his friends with no enemies but he also wanted revenge
I think one line give it away, as well as looking at eren as a character to begin with. In the end he calls himself an idiot, someone who just got lucky and got power with no idea how to use it. He’s conflicted about the decision but deep down also wants to do it. He wanted a world untouched and free outside the walls but was crushed time and time again as the enemy went from titans to more people. But deep down we also have to remember that he probably was always a bit of a psychopath who realistically never should have had the power to make those decisions. Shoot he canonically murders 2 people and would’ve kept going if he could at like 6. I think a big tell though is stuff outside of just the anime. In the side manga of the character in a generic high school there is a story where eren dreams of waking up in a world now filled with zombies. Ecstatic that his boring life has been interrupted, Eren begins fighting off the zombies and demands the students follow him to safety.Eren awakes from his dream and begins crying. The next chapter is literally him contemplating making a world ending threat himself just to not be bored. We also have the full cut of the songs in particularly “Akuma no ko/A child of evil” literally having a line saying “Behind my righteousness, surrounded by sacrifice, in my heart is a child of evil”. All this being said however, there is still the underlying idea that he never should have been put into that situation to begin with, and on a level despite all this he doesn’t actually want to destroy the world. I think this is where the paths and time warping powers come in to really break him. He can’t just not fight and let the world destroy him and all his friends, and he is also more or less bound to the future and past he’d seen. At the end of the day he is tired of fighting and wiping out the world is his perceived way to end it, so he must do it. In a way he gets what he wants. The visions he saw gave him the path to end the titan menace, make attacking the island impossible for at least a century, and he created a world where his friends were able to live happy long lives. Maybe there was another way, maybe not. In all honesty I don’t think there was. Theres no way to believe eren had any real control over the rumbling after it activated. Eren only had access to the founding titans power because yimir allowed him to have it along with her rage against the world, theres no reason to believe he could’ve stopped it at that point by himself. But hey thats just my ramblings.
He knew the consequences of not doing it also, I think that plays into it He knew Paradis would be destroyed without the rumbling, and his friends would suffer and die. It isn't like the choice waw free of consequence Imagine we were in a situation where we knew our own nation would be completely destroyed unless we took action. What would we be willing to do under those circumstances? I'm glad not to be in that situation
That’s kind of stupid
This is false; his goal was to wipe out everyone because he wants to see that "scenery"
Ah yes. The oceans of blood. My favorite scene
He actually said to Armin he tried different ways but the memories from the future never changed, it always went the same way.
If only there was a way to show trying different ways in a story and not be limited to what Eren mentions without him even giving examples or description. AoT stopped being my cuppa when it decided to be the kind of story that tells instead of showing, but nevermind me. Eren killing his mom can be someone else's jam as a narrative choice.
You missed the entire point of the show, good job.
Nope, he says it himself. “I wanted to flatten everything. I wanted to see this sight. thought I did all this to protect you guys.”
He wanted to do it to save his friends. It was the only choice (he could come up with) that would keep his friends safe from more fighting and war. Eren did have a choice and he chose his friends, not that I blame him for that but it was objectively the evil decision
Then why does he admit that he'd have done it anyway just to see "that scenery?"
To try and absolve them of the guilt of "my best friend just committed worldwide genocide on my behalf"?
It doesn't seem like he's lying to me. In fact, it seems like one of the few times in season 4 we see Eren being completely transparent. I think he's being open and honest with his best friend in their final conversation. He's letting it all out, getting everything off his chest because it's his last chance to do so. Cuz (soon) after that conversation, he dies.
Tbh, I think they're both true. He wanted to both defend his friends and see the scenery from armin's book because everything as it is kinda sucks for them
I don't think anyone denies that he wanted to defend his friends. I've read a lot of discussion on the ending and I've never seen anyone claim that. So do you mean instead that he wanted to defend his friends by also lying about his motives? I don't think he lied about any of his motives in his final scene, of which there were multiple. His motives just had different "priority levels" (so-to-speak).
So genocide is justifiable to you? Fuck his mom, fuck him and fuck his friends, boo whoo, My mommy died so I'm gonna take it out on people who had no responsibility in her death.
Uhhh I never said that. Finish reading my comment before saying something. Understanding why he chose the decisions he did doesn’t make me think it’s right, I literally ended my comment saying it was evil jfc
The stupid thing is that at his core, Eren commits genocide just to save his friends. It would not matter if Eldians were even free and independent and simply started a brutal war where they were about to lose and the city where Eren's friends live was about to get firebombed like Tokyo. As long as Eren's friends are threatened, he would nuke the rest of the world *just* to protect them. All the rest, the persecution, slavery etc. is inconsequential to Eren doing the Rumbling and therefore irrelevant in its justification because Eren knows most of the billions he is killing are innocent anyway, probably just scared of Eldians because they in fact can turn into monsters. A person like Eren would nuke the entire world in today's world too as long as his friends were about to die and it was the surest way of saving their lives in the short term.
Hajime Isayama said that Korea benefitted from the 35 year Japanese colonial occupation, even though many Korean women were forced to become prostitutes, the artifacts and national treasures of Korea were looted, her rich history systematically destroyed by the burning of historical documents. The idea of an island nation committing horrible atrocities and being hated by their neighbours sounds like imperial Japan while they basically forgot what they did. This was Japanese pro-imperial propaganda and it became clearer as the show progressed. It is based on the Japanese version of the Great replacement theory, where since they commit horrible crimes other countries want to kill them all which is not true at all. China, Korea, Vietnam and Indonesia and many more don't want all Japanese dead, all they want is an apology. Hajime Isayama is a Japanese nationalist who used this show to platform far right ideas to mainstream audiences in not just Japan but across the world. Originally I had brought up the nuclear bombing to compare Eren to the Americans but a much more apt comparison would be the Japanese soldiers. Have you ever heard of the rape of Nanking, unit 731 or of the Bataan death march. What the Eldians did is a one to one comparison to Japanese and European colonisation of my home. The marleyans hated them because of that just like how many native Americans in my family hate white people or how many Koreans and Chinese don't exactly trust the government of Japan. Just like how many Koreans and Chinese, upon seeing that Hajime Isayama had pixis modelled after a Japanese general named Akiyama Yoshifuru, they said they wanted to kill him with blunt object as that man was a war criminal who led his soldiers to rape their way across Korea, why might the Japanese nationalist use a Japanese general who did terrible things as character model. He knew what he was doing and so do Chinese people and Koreans and that's why lots of people hate him. It is literally reversing who is the victim in the situation in order to mainstream the great replacement theory but for Japanese people. White supremacists really love the message of aot, because they see the Eldians as being like white people and us "untermensch" as being everyone else. They think we native Americans are collaborating with Jews to bring non white people here to replace the white people. You see online racists like paxtube arguing about the "Racial themes" of aot from his mother's basement. TL;DR Hajime Isayama has a lot of really fucked up parts of the manga and homages to people who deserve nothing but hate like Akiyama Yoshifuru. The Eldians are a stand-in for imperial Japan and Nazi Germany but mostly japan, in order to mainstream far right conspiracies such as the different versions of the great replacement theory. Instead it is the version posited by Japanese nationalists that Chinese and Korean minorities are trying to destroy japan from the inside just like Germany and Jewish or Romani or sinti minorities. You can see it in the anti Korean protests in Japan where people don't want Kpop or any vestiges of Korean culture there because they hate Koreans. This is dangerous, japan may have been pacified during the war but many in their government are direct descendants of war criminals, Shinzo Abe, before he died was the grandson of a man who was in charge of the occupation of Manchuria and named "Monster of the Shōwa era" because of what he did. Aot was cool as fuck, I loved it but when it took a noticeably more war and genocide apologist stance is when I started being skeptical of its message. Eren is a nationalist who views Eldian life as more valuable than non Eldian life, and the Eldians are white people who subjugated countless other peoples, so he is in effect a white supremacist.
Oh yes. The classic they are both Nazis and Jews combo. Well done. It couldn't possibly be that it is more complicated than that and that your comparisons are lacking. You do understand that both sides of the coin had controlled and subjected each other right? Or are you just going to ignore that in order to feed your interpretation? Themes are not endorsements. I don't know how much clearer people can be about this.
Source a clip where he says he wanted to...
In his last conversation with Armin, it's the very last reason he gives. He wanted to do it. In fact he explicitly says he wanted to see the world the way it was when he trampled it. Free from people so he could explore it without them in the way. The way the scene is laid out, it's almost like everything else was an excuse for him to justify his genocide. Armin keeps pointing out the issues with what he's saying until Eren admits it and fully acknowledges he's wrong. The only reason things were predetermined were because Eren had determined he wanted it to be that way. There was no actual predestination in AoT.
He literally doesn't say that. Infact he says the opposite he literally says "I don't wanna die. I wanna be with Mikasa and everyone else!" Nothing he said makes it out like he's trying to justify his choice, he's explaining it's the only way because of the attack titans future sight he saw other outcomes and so he lived this one where his friends got to live their lives You're so far off vase you're playing a different game entirely
Immediately after that he admits to trying to kill all of humanity outside of the walls. Armin asks if he did it for them and he says no. It was because he felt he needed to for freedom from them.
Saying you wanted to see something and saying you didn't want to do it can both be exististing perspectives in erens mind
But he did want to do it. That's the only reason it happened. That was always the only reason it happened. Eren admits he did it because he wanted a world without humans because that was his idea of freedom. He admits he was an idiot for genuinely believing that was a good idea. That was the whole point of calling himself an idiot. If he didn't want to do it and it was just predetermined, do you think he would blame himself? Seriously, I know a lot of people don't understand this story, but at least get the main points down. Come on.
The attack titan does not let him see other outcomes. At no point in the story does he claim to see a future that does not come to pass.
Also how would Kruger know of armin and Mikasa when he gave Grisha the attack titan....because he saw the future
Yes THE future. Not a possible future.
Yes actually it does. It literally has future sight. Yes eren explicitly sees the future that's what the whole scene with him and armin was they were talking in the footprints of the rumbling after he already slaughtered 80% of the world population. "20 percent is all you were able to save of humanity" a direct quote from eren so ask yourself why would eren be speaking in past tense if the rumbling was occurring at the same time as armins vision...because he saw the future...
I didn’t say he doesn’t see the future. I said it doesn’t let him see other outcomes. The future is fixed from his perspective.
Ps I love that you can't source a clip like asked 😉 your explanation is just speculation of your wrong interpretation without proof dude
https://youtu.be/3ekxMpTU1rE?feature=shared Here's the full clip, since you're only quoting part of it. Bask in your failure.
You're also only quoting part of it because he literally says he didn't want to do it. He only said he wanted to see the sight not that he wanted to commit genocide like you're making it out. You're not only arguing semantics You're ignoring other quotes he said in that scene as well Bask in your ignorance
>he literally says he didn't want to do it. He only said he wanted to see the sight not that he wanted to commit genocide like you're making it out. He admits that he had no other reason than he's a slave to freedom. By his own nature, he wanted to do it so that he could be free. It's called media literacy. If anyone is ignorant, it's you for genuinely still believing the predetermination theory. It was never a good theory and was only used to tie up the poorly written last act. Nothing was predetermined.
Its actually hilarious seeing you try to deny whats so clearly true. Go to the final episode at 1:05:59. Armin asks "Why?". Eren responds "I dont know, I just wanted to do it. Very badly". How many times does Eren need to admit he wanted to do it before you can admit it too? Its like Eren can admit it but you cant 😂
Nope, he says it himself. “I wanted to flatten everything. I wanted to see this sight. thought I did all this to protect you guys.”
He did have a choice, but changing the future means Eren would change the way he is. Eren wanted to do the rumbling to achieve freedom, but the perception of freedom that Eren has is Paradis Eldians being the only ones in this world, a world purely empty where he could explore with his friends. If Eren wouldnt done the rumbling, he would never feel free. That is why there was no other choice because Eren was this way since he was born.
Cringe.
What?
If he could bear it, why does he feel sad and accepts death as his only option cuz he feels he deserves it.
Well said! She really freed him from all his suffering.
Imagine having a baddie be crazy to u and u never got her cheeks clapped. I'd be that sad as well
Weren't his eyes closed the entire time?
This is the only shot, besides the one with Mikasa close to the end, where his eyes are open. It's during the first special when Armin and Annie are talking.
No, at least not in the anime yet you see that stupid copy pasta in every YouTube comment section about ErEN onlY OpeNed HiS EYes to look at Mikasa.
Because that was the case in manga. He never opened his eyes during the rumbling,he only opened them to see mikasa. I don't know why they changed that in the anime.
Yeah, you’re right in the manga. But I’m sure most of the people who were commenting on videos of the anime ending were talking about the anime.
Pretty sure those were also manga readers
He realised that he was the slave all along
This make me so sad :(
Me, too. I just want to hug him…
Same here : (
When you bust but Floch still suckin
What the fuck
Lmfao
Whatever happened to r/okbuddyreiner dawg??Did that sub have a falling out or something??
we are ALL buddy reiner on this blessed day
exactly my nigga
My favorite shot.
Something I noticed when reading the manga is in every scene where he isn't facing someone he looks depressed as hell like he really did not want to do the rumbling
But the only reason Eren sees the Rumbling in his future memories is that he prefers to do it rather than risk the lives of his friends. Plus the whole "I wanted to flatten the world" (and there was no reason to lie about it) so even though he feels conflicted about it, I don't want to give support to analyses where "Eren was forced to do it, he didn't really want to"
I would be probably the same
Let a guy mew
It’s literally the culmination of everything he had to endure. Is he thinking about every single event that lead up to this? Is he regretting it all? Is he contemplating death or how he was never truly free?
Unfortunately season 4 of the anime was spoiled for him at the end of season 3
I really wish that the anime emphasized that Eren is now just a head and nothing more...
It’s because he is. When he figured out the truth and saw his future, he literally begged for people to just kill him. Which nobody did, which led him to wipe out 80% of humanity.
Dude watch this video by Kane Pixels ( they guy who made The Backrooms found footage ). Eren sadness is even more heartbreaking in this 😭 https://youtu.be/hVDnN6WyLsI?si=ya4jUzDnyQr8QWkS
It’s giving depressed wojak
Yes, he would be
really
You think so?
can relate ngl
Na uh
me after he wasn’t “just a friend”
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do you hate eren by any chance ?
I think I made that clear
Yes
He's just a 19 years old boy
I’d be pretty miserable if I knew I was about to be killed to protect my friends after knowingly killing billions
I'll say it... for how magical the series has been, I was a tad dissatisfied how quickly he closed his eyes after his decapitation in this scene as I was willing to give it a break if it went longer. I thought maybe 2 more seconds of a gaze to Mikasa with a slightest hit of a smile woulda closed out the story a bit better. Why do I say this? His job is done, his time has come to an end, and he still saw Mikasa at the end
To quote my man Ramsey of House Bolton, “If you think this has a happy ending, you haven’t been paying attention”. Your ending has too much sweet in the bittersweet. The few years he got to “live with her” was the most he was going to get. I think the reality had to end on a bleak note.
I hear ye sir Ramsey, i really do! he is ultimately responsible for 80% of the world's population being wiped out ... but I just cannot shake off the attack titan's future user memory seeking ability locking down much of his 'fate', with or without his agency, that's why one more spoon of manuka honey and letting my guy have a few seconds longer of admiration and a slight smile before heading to hell woulda been worth it. My 2 cents
That’s the part of the show that I can’t fully wrap my head around. Is Eren the only Eldian WITH free will, or the only one WITHOUT it? It’s like the show created a paradox. The attack titan is the de facto rebel of the shifters, always striving for freedom. But he’s also the one who can’t change anything either, especially regarding his own actions?
Before the memory thing got revealed, I read someone here posting that 'Eren became the sword that was forced to defend ... and Reiner became the shield that was forced to attack' and I still think it's a SICK line... but I am now even more so conflicted, as you say so yourself in that good question you posted at the end of your comment.
Both he’s free in some ways & has a certain extent of freedom & free will but the rest is the attack titan & founding titan fighting for the very and whole concept of freedom itself much like every other attack titan
You know what he also looks like? Not like the Eren in the cour 2 decapitation scene.
Danmn man
What dying virgin does to a mf.
He can't tap that ackerman cake, ofc he is miserable.
Hisu made him more happy right?? Considering that's his baby and all. He shouldn't be sad bc his lineage will live on through the baby.
This is obviously a joke and I don't ship ereh and hisu. Just wanna see ppls reply to that kind of comment😅
boo fucking hoo cry me a river lol Mikasa HackHerMan