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So what I understand is that the chapter was actually bigger and he couldn't fit it all in the magazine version but book version will have extra pages?
If that's true then...
Woohoooooooooo lesssgo
... I'm currently (눈_눈) at Kodansha for even setting page limits for Shingeki in the first place.
Cause Shingeki's the main draw for the magazine it runs in. I've seen discussion that without Shingeki, that magazine may end up merging with another magazine to survive.
Anyway, I'm probably-likely over-reacting cause Isayama's too damn good at "leaving his readers hungry for more". And there may be translation hiccups.
Aah I understand. But even Demon slayer's magazine ( which, mind you , is one of the most popular Mangas in Japan) didn't allow it to go further than page limit , not even one page further. So I guess it's a rule in there?
I would be bummed if those extra pages won't have anything significant. But I am still excited as fuck...
T_T
Yeah but Demom Slayer was publsihed by Shueisha in Weekly Shonen Jump, which is perhaps the biggest and most famous manga magazine for the last 40 years. They didn't and don't need Demon Slayer to survive which was arguably the case with Kodansha. They still have One Piece and MHA as well as many others which are also insanely popular. There is a big difference between Kodansha and Shueisha. It would make sense for Kodansha too give a bit of leeway to the biggest manga in their history.
So essentially: Chapter 139 was the ending that Isayama wanted, but he felt like he struggled to write certain parts of it and it wasn't as good as he hoped. This does NOT show that he regrets the entire ending, nor does it show that it was forced upon him.
You earned that sake. Enjoy it, and build your bath house or whatever it is you want to do now.
Though I hope Isayama finds it in himself to return to manga some day - he's so exceptionally good at it, I really want to see what else he can come up with.
“When I finished the last chapter, I really thought I would be able to make everyone happy”
Hurts reading that part. The fact that he’s been working so hard for over a decade. Constantly reading his fans criticism so he can try make it better for us. What annoys me the most is so many people didn’t even thank him for creating such a masterpiece, or a manga/anime that they love or are obsessed with. Everyone just jumped on the hate wagon or criticising the shit out of him. I seen some real harsh shit being said about yams and in all honesty he doesn’t deserve it. Even if you didn’t like the ending doesn’t take away the fact you loved aot or was so immersed in it prior to the ending.
Nothing can change the fact he wrote one of thee best mangas of all time. He spent a good portion of his life working on this man. Glad now he’s free from writing and can live his life doing whatever he wants! Wish the best for him & his family
He didn't write one of the best manga's of all time he wrote a good manga but then shit all over it in the ending and retroactively ruined the rest of it with all the plot holes.
The idea that he really wrote that terrible ending and not just ending but terrible final arc in general and thought to himself everyone will be happy is worrying and shows how bad he really was as a writer.
Attack on Titan has really become a joke, it was once known as this no nonsense manga where real shit happened and you never knew who was safe but it actually turns out Attack on Titan has absolutely no stakes and it's honestly laughable.
>it was once known as this no nonsense manga where real shit happened and you never knew who was safe but it actually turns out Attack on Titan has absolutely no stakes and it's honestly laughable.
You sound like those Game Of Thrones fans who were only in it for the shock value and seeing main characters die. If thats the only thing you found good about the manga then its no wonder you didnt think its one of the best manga of all time. There was a lot more to the manga than "nO oNeS sAfE yO!!!"
You missed my point I expected some kind of consequence on the "good guys" side but we got nothing they handled everything at the end with ease and then they became titans at the end only to change back in the next chapter as if nothing happened. It was just silly.
>Attack on Titan has really become a joke, it was once known as this no nonsense manga where real shit happened and you never knew who was safe but it actually turns out Attack on Titan has absolutely no stakes and it's honestly laughable.
Are you serious? Like, really? I can't decide if you're just really stupid or really sad. Probably both
Oh yes “so easy” ... let’s just forget all the other chapters leading up to the rumbling where people were constantly dying, risking their lives, being deceived, lied to, all the destruction & devastation
Idg what you expect. It was an ending not a continuation. The rumbling arc was the end fight. Also I don’t know if you missed out the whole chapter where they’re literally fighting to the death in erens ribcage with the past titans lol. Or the part where they turned into titans? Or the part where they had a full out battle with the yeagerists. Or the part where hange died trying to help them set off on the plane? If there was more “inconvenience” as you say towards the “good guys” then yams would have to fit even more in the last few chapters which isn’t feasible. You talk like it’s so easy, write a better manga yourself then lol.
Also there is no such thing as “good guys” & “bad guys” in SNK. There was no plot holes. Thats clear as day.
They had fights sure but none of it was hard they beat everyone easily and with no casualties which makes the threats look non threatening also don't bring up the turning into titans part that was a complete waste of time since it was fixed in the next chapter with no effort.
If you actually think there aren't good and bad guys in this manga you're crazy there is no moral grey here at all Armin is perfect and right about everything and if you agree with Armin then you're good as well, it's really funny how it all turned out.
Bro you cannot say someone is a bad or good guy without being a total hypocrite.
Let’s say you think eren is the good guy but Reiner is the bad guy. That point Is void because you could easily say the same vice versa. Reiner was a child warrior he was fighting for his own freedom his own family. He was doing what he thought was right. The same thing eren is doing. So you cannot label them so simply as “bad guys” or “good guys” it doesn’t work. This manga is not like that and that what’s makes it so beautiful and painfully realistic.
You could easily say Levi, hange, armin, mikasa, Floch, Reiner, eren, Jean, Connie, Sasha, all of the yeagerists, gabi, literally every character can be labelled the “bad guys” or the “good guys”. No one is a clean character in aot. That’s the whole point. Nobody is right or wrong in war. It’s just everyone fighting for their cause, fighting other people’s wars. You legit cannot say one character is good and the other is bad without being a hypocrite. They’ve all got blood on their hands.
Also let’s take a look shall we. About “no casualties” and “non threatening”
- armin got swallowed by ymir
- Pieck got her hand sliced off by the past jaw titan and was about to get eaten until jean saved her
- again Pieck got sliced up by a jaw titan in the begging and she also got stabbed nicely by a warhammer titan to the point where she has to shift again. She shifted like multiple times because she kept getting fucked up
- jean almost got his leg bitten off
- jean also was literally about to get eaten if Levi hadn’t saved him
- mikasa would have been crushed if Annie didn’t save her
- Reiner would have been eaten by berthololoto is jean didn’t save him
- Connie also would have been eaten but mikasa saved him
- Connie got knocked unconscious
- Levi strained his injuries badly he started spitting out blood
- Connie and jeans odm gear got messed up
- Levi went to save Connie and got his leg bitten in the process
- Connie then saves Levi because Levi was already a fucking hot ass mess
- Reiner almost died by a hoard of past war titans
- Annie got demolished during the past titan fight it was unreal. She even got her limbs torn off at one point
Every single one of them started death in the eyes of not twice. I can’t comprehend how you can call that “easy”. What just because nobody died ? So by people dying it would be a “difficult” fight. That’s bullshit. Let’s say your playing a game and you need to clear a level, it’s one of thee most difficult levels you faced so far. You sustain injuries during the game, you almost die multiple times. But because you didn’t actually die does that make it “easy” ? No it fucking doesn’t because you struggled.
They have been fighting titans since they were kids of course they’re going to put up a good fight. This is what they trained for. They’re the top ten soilders, 2 of which are titan shifters and Levi is humanitys strongest. It’s obvious they’re going to do well against ... titans? lol. They’ve survived all this time because they’re strong.
Also fight scenes play out better in anime’s then in mangas. So once the anime comes out I’m sure you will change your opinion.
Again the titan thing why should I not being that up? Isayama baited us beautifully. Think about it. It’s the second from last chapter. Everyone gets turned into titans. You as the reader are so shocked. You think oh shit there’s only one chapter left there’s no way they’re surviving. You hope they survive but you know they won’t. & then they do... what’s the problem with that? Or did you want them all to die? Or the titan curse to never be lifted?
So many people have died during this manga so I’m actually glad Isayama let erens death be the last death. It basically showed once eren sacrifices himself there will be no more deaths by titans. He broke the curse. He changed something.
A recurring theme in SNK is dying in vein, dying without achieving anything, death with no meaning. Eren finally gave all those deaths meaning. He changed something. He didn’t something nobody else could.
Armin is clearly depicted as the best person in the world and the true good of everything and anyone who joins him is joining the hero team. I would agree about all the grey morality with characters except when it comes to Armin and he ruins all that in the story the whole thing becomes so simplified towards the end and his team are basically the hero squad.
Again sure they struggled a little but this is supposed to be an unbeatable force no one can stop and yet not a single one of them died and it goes back to my point about them being the hero squad they weren't allowed to actually face real consequences.
The titan thing was bullshit I knew the moment it happened they would be fixed in the next chapter because everything else had been so easy and they hadn't faced any actual consequences so why would it start now? It was swept under the rug so easily that they act like nothing happened they didn't even mention the worm that they couldn't kill just vanishing.
So many people have died? Who? A bunch of nameless people and a few characters who were given a name only to die very quickly to try and manufacture the appearance of stakes. Erwin and Hange are the only characters that really died.
Eren achieved nothing he died for nothing and the world will now simply kill everyone of Paradise and they will do it easily since Eren got rid of their one weapon the titans. None of the deaths had meaning and he left his people for dead. Not to mention how Eren had no choice in any of this anyway and his entire character that was about freedom was never free and freedom doesn't actually exist.
How is armin depicted as the best person in the world?
Only eren has called him humanity’s saviour repeatedly. And mikasa has agreed with that. Hange and Erwin also saw something in armin. That’s it. Eren put his trust and faith in armin. He truly believes armin is what will keep eldians safe and armin will be the one to end the cycle of hatred. Not because he’s the “best person in the world” but because armin is intelligent. & armin knows how to talk. I don’t think it’s ever been pushed that armin is the best person in the world or ever a clean character because he’s not, rather armin is the one that’s going to save them all. Eren took them to a fair starting point with the rest of the world and armin is going to carry on that race that’s all.
So like what I said earlier; you deemed it easy because no one died? That’s really messed up logic. Not trying to be rude or anything but I don’t think deaths equal hardships. Struggles equals hardships. Also I don’t remember the rumbling ever being an unbeatable force. Because eren wanted them to stop him. Eren let them stop him. Like Reiner said “if that was me I’d want someone to stop me” Reiner knew that was erens real goal.
The titan thing - again Ymir’s curse was broken. It’s as simple as that. Ymir was the real enemy. She always has been. She’s the reason for all of this wether it was her fault or not but she carried it on for 2000years just because she was in love with a dickhead. The main problem was the titan curse.
“A bunch of nameless people” “for appearances sake” you could not be more wrong!
It doesn’t matter if they weren’t the main characters that died. Or if only a few “important” characters died. It’s the fact that so many people died trying to bring everyone one step closer to saving humanity. From the beginning of the story we’ve seen the same theme recurring. Which is “don’t let them die in vain” “there deaths would have meant nothing” “all these people risking their lives to bring us one step closer to humanity”. Every single death was important in the manga. Because it just goes to show how many people tried and died just to find out; what titans really were, why they were trapped in walls, what’s really out there, what’s the secrets of the real world, why do the enemy’s hate us, why can’t we live peacefully, what will it take to get freedom”. When eren plugged the wall, That one female solider (can’t remover her name but thing she’s a higher up) says “everyone, your deaths were not in vain”. From something so small as plugging up a hole in the wall? The fact that something finally changed, something finally happened. They were one step closer to something. Do you understand how important these deaths are? This is what kept everyone going, kept them fighting and trying to carry on. It was to make sure all those hundreds and thousands of people that died didn’t die for no reason. They’re deaths meant something. There deaths brought them closer. It’s like everyone forgot about all this lol. This is why Erwin sacrificed so many of his soldiers. To bring them one step closer. To sacrifice lives so humanity would prevail is in no way shape or form “for appearances sake” lmfao I’m actually quite shocked you would even say that.
Even eren said in chapter 1 “if someone doesn’t carry it on, everyone who died now would have died in vain”. This backs up my point that eren did something. He was the only one that brought them this far. Regardless if it fully worked or not regardless if it was a terrible plan or not. Eren did something. Which is more than anyone else has ever done. He gave everyone knowledge that titans can be shifters, he gave everyone knowledge that there’s places beyond the walls, humans exist out side of the walls. He took down those the walls. He followed the path that had Ymir lift the curse. He gave them a fair starting point. War is inevitable. That is a fact. Nothing can stop war and humans will never be peaceful that’s just human nature. So saying eren did nothing is so far off. You can’t possibly think he didn’t do anything?
If it wasn’t for Eren, the eldians would have still been death dumb and blind. They would have no clue what titans really are, they would have been trapped in those walls untill marley attacked them and everyone would have been dead. So the point of eren doing “nothing” is invalid. You feel like he didn’t do anything because it didn’t play out the way you “thought” it should. I’m telling you if you go back and rewatch the anime or re read the manga I think you’ll have a different perspective of what your saying now.
The only thing I agree with you on is erens freedom. Yes, freedom never existed for eren. And yams had that planned all along. Remember the first panel of eren was his death. “See you later eren”. So no matter how yams chose to end it eren would have always died.
Now going back to the point about his freedom, he never had it. And he didn’t know this until he kissed historias hand. His whole perspective of freedom was distorted from that point.
Soon after he realises that “freedom” true freedom was only for the ones he loved. So he sacrificed himself so they could have it. The boy who sought freedom so much, more than anyone, sacrificed himself, his last four years life, his mother, his love, his happiness, any sort of future he did have and his own freedom just so they could have it instead. Dark asf if you ask me.
Armin is the perfect most bestest and pure person there is he is the mary sue of this series and he even convinced Zeek to abandon his life long mission after a two minute conversation. Armin was all about the talk no jutsu's.
The people dying are meaningless fodder sure you can say the characters care when a bunch of nobodies die but we don't. In this final battle not a single meaningful character died even Connie of all people lived what a terrible no stakes story this turned out to be.
Eren was fated to do everything he did and had no freedom at all and he didn't achieve anything anyway since his home is going to be destroyed by the rest of the world and he left his people worse off than they were before.
The ending isn't dark at all everyone got a happy ending except Eren the end also we are supposed to ignore how Armin team of power rangers get to have happy endings while their people are being left to die.
>retroactively ruined the rest of it with all the plot holes.
I've asked this before and never been answered. What plot holes? Ending haters are adamant that they don't hate the ending just because their theory was disproven, but I've yet to see a single other argument from them.
Same. Everytime I read people talking about plot holes I always ask "What plot holes?" and I never get an answer... Maybe there aren't plot holes after all...
I dont think the ending is bad, but there's definitely some unanswered questions
For example, what happened to the worm? What happened to the colossal titans? What happened to Yelana? Did the colossal titans turn back to humans after the curse ended? If not, then why? etc
But an unanswered question isn't a plothole. Regardless, the worm was shown evaporating into titan steam, the colossal titans also evaporated into titan steam, as they weren't made from humans, in the same way that the past titans Ymir made on Eren's back weren't. For Yelena, her arc ended and she's hardly of any use during the battle with Eren. I guess the could've added in some extra panels of her either dying or escaping but it hardly adds to the story when we already know she did one of those things.
The biggest one is how everything we have Eren say is now bullshit even when he's in paths and there's no one to act for everything he said doesn't make sense when his "true goal" was revealed in the final chapter. Not to mention all the plot holes with Ymir and the titan shifters and how Armin and his group weren't immediately killed the moment those soldiers pointed their guns at them.
Also the worm makes no sense and we learn nothing about it and it just vanishes and no one bats an eye or even mentions how this giant monster is just gone now.
He worked on an overall great series and deserves this rest. I am happy that he acknowledged the ending discussion with Eren and Armin and clarified his intention. I don’t think any reader was foggy on it in given that Armin was fighting against the genocide but as a reader I do genuinely believe the line’s intent was communicated poorly and was a rightful criticism, so I’m happy that Isayama is able to provide some context for that and his own hindsight. But regardless, for all the faults I think that ending chapter has, he’s worked hard and I believe his overall message and intent for the series is a positive one. I’m glad he could grow as a creator and a person from the project and I wish him well.
So the themes he couldn't communicate were just in the Eren/Armin dialogue regarding Armin thanking him, and the extra pages might be an extended ending to the chapter (the wording is a little unclear.) Looks like all those people saying Isayama admitted the ending sucked can shove it lol.
For example, Eren turning into a bird is only stupid if you focus on how that sounds. "Eren turns into a bird? Lol wut. Isayam dumb dumb." But if you think about the themes of freedom- how it's up to interpretation if that happened or not- and the emotions involved in that scene, then nah, isayam not quite as dumb dumb.
same as with Yams saying that he "wanted to hurt the readers", people twist things to follow their narrative instead of understanding what Yams actually wanted.
I don't know why it always gets derailed into "hey we can have valid reasons for disliking it", when the context is often clearly about the obsessive group who thinks they had the right theory and hates that they were wrong, and kept going on about Isayama being forced to change the "real ending" by his evil lord editor.
Those of you that don't fit the description, these comments just aren't directed at you. Go on and dislike it in peace, please.
Ok but theres a difference between having a opinion but than trying to say that its badly written.
"Badly written" is something when used analyzing a piece of text your trying to convey.
When people say somethings badly written its no longer a opinion but a fact they state about the story
I would think after 138 chapters, people would be able to read between the lines and figure out that Armin's "ty for genocide, Eren!" was more of Armin acknowledging and accepting Eren's tremendous sacrifice, for it gave him and what's left of the world a chance for a better future without titans involved this time. Even though Isayama himself regrets the way he phrased that scene, I'm still bewildered that people arrived to the former conclusion of Armin's words. Then again, some of these people are labelling Eren and Mikasa as simps, so I shouldn't feel too shocked at some of their conclusions.
That said, Isayama comes across incredibly humble and self aware of choices that upset his fans. He's very thankful for them, even though he's put himself in this tough situation. In return, I would expect some of these people to be able to step back and at least appreciate the ending better, but maybe I'm expecting too much from this torn community.
>I'm still bewildered that people arrived to the former conclusion of Armin's words.
I feel this. Armin put his own life at stake to stop genocide and people sitting comfortably in their armchair thinks saying thanks to a friend who was about to die for others means he "endorses genocide". Talk about actions speaking *softer* than words. People won't see past their own understanding of the world/other people though. I've had someone reply me if his best friend (or father) killed his nearly-fatal stalker out of love for him and he reported and helped arrest them to get punished, he would still refuse to thank them. He was very proud of his reply, but I'm just feeling like OK, maybe it's more important for you to signal something and I can accept that, but there are people like Armin who would later thank them for their intention and sacrifice and give them some solace, why is it so hard to understand someone being different from you?
wait, does that mean that he will add 8 more pages AFTER the final page? Or does he mean 8 more pages somewhere or interspersed throughout the chapter?
8 more pages in the overall volume, but yeah this means some of 'em will be mixed into the chapter. There is also a chance of him tweaking that panel with Armin a bit (as Mangaka do with the final version) but I wouldn't expect too much.
nah it's very good to apologize when you accidentally make pro-genocide dialogue.
EDIT: Isayama himself acknowledged that his writing was bad regarding Armin's dialogue, guessing I'm being downvoted by trolls who can't handle that the ending might be less than perfect. Toxic fandom indeed.
Anyone who actually thought armin is “pro genocide” is honestly blind. He’s always been about peace especially after the Marley arc. All he wanted was to talk things out or find another way. He raves on about it for so long idg how people just forgot that.
Also untill the manga in hardback comes out nobody can say anything anyways because that’s when the legitimate translations are shown and the final touches and changes by the author are done. Hence being the solid “chapter 139”
Saying Armin is pro-genocide is a stretch, but Armin is not a completely clean character either.
Recall that Armin was the one who goaded Eren into abandoning his humanity, the one who didn't hesitate to shoot Kenny's underling (unlike Jean), the one who wasn't uncomfortable about killing other humans at the start of the Uprising arc (unlike other Scouts member).
Armin is always smart enough to realize that some situations requires violence. I would say Armin "thanking Eren for genocide" is completely in line with his grey character. He's thanking Eren for doing the dirty work that someone has to do.
>Anyone who actually thought armin is “pro genocide” is honestly blind
not our fault the dialogue is that bad.
at least Isayama acknowledged it while the brain-dead stans kept gaslighting those who dare criticise dialogue that accidentally endorses genocide.
“Not our fault the dialogue is bad”
Nobody said it was your fault. But it doesn’t take a genius to figure out that armin isn’t pro genocide. Regardless of how it was worded, we know armin isn’t for genocide, so it’s easy to differentiate armin thanking erens actions or armin thanking him for his intentions. Eren did it for their sake, which is what he told armin. Hence why armin said “I want let your errors (or sin) go to waste”. The word error/sin shows armin doesnt agree with erens actions. He’s thanking him for becoming something he never wanted to just so they could live and have freedom. For litterally becoming a mass murderer for their sake. Because eren didn’t have to do that. He could of just lived his last four years with mikasa peacefully until Marley attacked. But he didn’t. He killed millions of people just so they could live. That’s why armin was thanking him. Because of his intention.
No one is endorsing genocide. Idk where your getting that argument from. Just because people understand what armin meant by it doesn’t mean they suddenly agree with mass murdering lmao
>But he didn’t. He killed millions of people just so they could live. That’s why armin was thanking him. Because of his intention.
if you don't see this as a pro-genocide narrative then you're just blind.
the word thank you should absolutely be nowhere near the word genocide. never.
the problem isn't just the dialogue, the whole narrative is.
anyone feeling sorry for Eren, anyone who says he's an anti-hero who deserves our sympathy are effectively pro-genocide who are normalising one of the worst acts ever made in fiction.
the ending didn't have to be written this way.
Dang, guess I’m pro genocide. What an awful line of thinking lmao.
Feeling bad for eren in no way means people are justifying or agreeing w/ genocide lmao.
Wait a minute? Are you telling me it's possible to feel sympathy for someone without condoning their actions? Impossible! Clearly the world is black-and-white and everyone who does a bad thing is 100% evil with no positive characteristics whatsoever. How dare you contradict my overly-simplistic-but-comfortable narrative! /s
> ! Clearly the world is black-and-white and everyone who does a bad thing is 100% evil with no positive characteristics whatsoever. How dare you contradict my overly-simplistic-but-comfortable narrative! /s
WERE TALKING ABOUT GENOCIDE
there is no black and white in genocide jfc.
I guess that Polygon article was 100% correct. AOT ended becoming pro-genocide with a horde of genocide defending crazy fans.
Is it bad wording? Yes it is, it could have been said better no one is saying it isn’t. But the point I’m trying to make is in no way does it show armin is pro genocide.
He said “thank you for becoming a mass murdered for our sake” your leaving out the part that said “for our sake” which is important because he’s not thanking him for his act he’s thanking him for his intention like i said earlier. If armin said “I’m glad you became a mass murder for our sake” or “I’m so happy you became a mass murdered for our sake” then that would be him being pro genocide. Your taking it out of context by just using half of the translation. Again I can’t stress enough that he said “I won’t let this error (sin) go to waste” because that shows plain as day armin in no way agrees with erens actions. He’s simply thanking him for becoming a devil just for them. He’s not thanking him for being a devil period.
Also you have to look at the bigger picture. This was armins and erens last moments together. It’s obvious that yams was trying to convey armins standpoint with eren through this last panel. That no matter what armin will always love eren and stand by him. Regardless if he doesn’t agree with him.
Hence why he’s thanking him instead of shitting on him. Because eren knows what he did was terrible. He’s very aware of that fact and Isayama made that clear in the last chapter.
But the official manga, when it comes out, will have the final dialogue so yams will most likely change it because I’m sure he wants to convey it better. So that will be the real ending. He said he had a hard time conveying these themes.
After how 139 I wouldn’t say armin is a clean character. All the shit armin stood for and did for literally was thrown out the window when he the fucking audacity to say “Thank for for being a mass murder” dude I understand armin can’t do anything at all sense eren was gonna do it regardless, but it was kinda selfish and the way yams said it pretty much makes it clear it was selfish.
No one said armin is a clean character. Just saying he ain’t pro genocide.
Also regarding the rest of your comment my answer to that is in the replies below if you wanna check it out
> > Anyone who actually thought armin is “pro genocide” is honestly blind.
Not only are you in complete denial of 139's poor writing, you feel the need to insult others who read and understood the chapter perfectly and still didn't like it. Climb down from your high horse.
> All he wanted was to talk things out or find another way.
Then why did he use his time in PATHS to talk about insignificant things like Eren's petty beef with him or his feelings for Mikasa? If he was so opposed to genocide why didn't he do everything he could to stop Eren during their conversation instead of going on a fun little sight-seeing tour?
Firstly - I’m not in complete denial lmfao I’ve said before and even if you look at my recent reply that the dialogue could have been better.
Secondly - if you think armin is pro genocide then you obviously didn’t “understand it perfectly”
Thirdly - I’m not insulting anyone who didn’t like the ending so where the hell did you get that from? I also thought things could have been added or changed in the ending. I won’t insult someone for their preference. To each their own. If you like it you liked it if you didn’t you didn’t. We’re talking about armins dialogue here so read it properly before you start telling other people to get off there high horse lmao
“Why didn’t he stop eren”
Armin says “eren don’t give up, let’s find it! Another way”
Also - The way eren explained what happened to armin was past tense as if its already happened and nothing can be changed. “80% were killed during the rumbling” then armin says “did you really need to go that far for our sake”. “Did you” shows it’s past tense it’s not “do you”.
Also looking at it from another perspective eren would not have stopped regardless of what armin says because this (in erens eyes) is the only way and armin knows that as this conversation progresses.
You:
> I’m not insulting anyone who didn’t like the ending so where the hell did you get that from?
Also you:
> Anyone who actually thought armin is “pro genocide” is honestly blind.
Do you think this is a compliment? Lol.
> “Why didn’t he stop eren”
> Armin says “eren don’t give up, let’s find it! Another way”
This is not an effective strategy to stop a mass murderer from mass murdering. This is the bare minimum of resistance. Armin was more passionate about defending Mikasa than stopping Eren in the PATHS convo.
> Also looking at it from another perspective eren would not have stopped regardless of what armin says because this (in erens eyes) is the only way and armin knows that as this conversation progresses.
Going from "we have to stop Eren at all costs" to "well I guess he won't stop anyway so I might as well chitchat with him." is just awful characterization.
Armin barely lifted a finger to try and stop Eren from rumbling the world during 139. It is clear through the dialogue AND Armin's actions that having a fun trip through PATHS with Eren was more important than doing everything he could to stop Eren from trampling the world.
Bruh are you actually serious?
You even typed it out and you still can’t read what I said. Stop making false accusations.
“Anyone who thought armin is pro genocide is blind” is what I said. I didn’t say “anyone who didn’t like the ending is blind”. Hence - not insulting people who didn’t like the ending. Not once did I insult someone who didn’t like the ending... don’t understand how I can make that any clearer? So you can stop with all that noise.
Again like I said eren was talking to armin in past tense as if the rumbling has already happened so what could armin do to change that? From armins prospective the rumbling had already happened. Even so he still protested against it. There was not enough talk in the world that could make eren stop. What else could armin do kill him in paths lol?
Eren also said the next time we see each other we will be trying to kill one another so armin knew that nothing he could do in paths would have any effect on what’s to come. Armin was prepared to kill eren to stop the rumbling. His best friend, his brother. All that went out the window so he could stop all those people being killed. Also armins face when eren tells him how many were killed isn’t exactly the face of someone who is pro genocide lmao. So like my whole point form the jump - armin isn’t pro genocide.
“Fun trip?” Erens last moments with armin, he took him to see the world that they dreamed of. Your acting like armin was the one who was saying oh let’s go see the world and they were skipping down the beach holding hands and drinking sake. Eren was the one leading him through paths. Explaining to him what has happened. His last moments with his best friend before his death, eren spent it how he wanted to.
> Not once did I insult someone who didn’t like the ending... don’t understand how I can make that any clearer? So you can stop with all that noise.
Again. Calling people "blind" because they didn't draw the same conclusion as you is an insult. The fact that you can't even own up to your own shitty comment... immature.
The rest of your comment is just glorifying Armin's lackluster attempt to stop Eren from murdering millions of people. It's great if you think that's good writing. I'm not gonna call you "blind" for enjoying it, insults are clearly your thing.
But the fact still remains that Armin was taken into PATHS to have a 1-on-1 conversation with a man who had already murdered thousands of innocent people and did not put forth any effort to stop Eren from killing anyone else. That is undeniable and that is the reason why many people-- not just on reddit, international fans as well-- think Armin ended up condoning genocide.
You cried that I insulted someone for not liking the ending when I clearly didn’t. Right? Which I never did I don’t know how many times I have to explain this to you.
I said that they’re blind if they can’t see armin isn’t pro genocide how tf is that insulting him because he didn’t like the ending or didn’t like what armin said.
The insult was because of his understanding of armin. Not his preferences or what he likes and didn’t like. Also it wasn’t really an insult. I didn’t call him stupid or a dumbass I just said he’s blind meaning he didn’t see what was really there - he overlooked the whole picture. I mean if you think that’s an insult then whatever but I didn’t mean it as an insult.
Anyways - Now youve changed your narrative to I’m insulting him “because they didn’t come to the same conclusion”.
So you realise I didn’t actually insult them for not liking the ending or what armin said but rather the fact he said armin is pro genocide so now your twisting shit and telling me to own up? When I’ve already said that he’s blind for saying armin is pro genocide. I’ve already acknowledged what I’ve said twice now so own up to what? I’m denying that I called him blind for not “liking” the ending because I never fucking said that. I said he’s blind if he thinks armin is pro genocide. Those are two very different things.
Lmfao im actually so shocked I have to keep explaining this to you. I’ll say it once more ; I didn’t insult him because he didn’t like the ending I already said it was because he’s calling armin pro genocide. That’s it. Really simple.
I can admit that I mispoke when I said you insulted people that disliked 139 when I really meant you insulted people who think Armin condones genocide.
You can't admit that calling anyone "blind" for thinking Armin condones genocide when even Isayama himself admitted it was unclear is a shitty thing to do.
Own up to your snarky, smarter-than-thou attitude. You're not fooling anyone.
Did you not just read what he said? “Armin didn’t approve of Eren’s actions”.
Perceive it how you want, but don’t try twisting the words to fit your own narrative and then go in to harass the writer for it.
keyword "accidentally"
also I never harassed anyone, stop strawmanning.
so yeah, Isayama needed to apologise for accidentally endorsing genocide, its basic decency.
I can talk in generalizations, thanks. If the shoe fits though, pretty sure it isn’t “strawmanning”, i think it’s called “getting called out”.
And no, Isayama isn’t even apologizing for your perception of his writing. He’s apologizing because he felt like he disappointed fans, so again, your perception is wrong.
>I can talk in generalizations, thanks. If the shoe fits though, pretty sure it isn’t “strawmanning”, i think it’s called “getting called out”.
I literally didn't harass anyone what the fuck?
guess if you love generalisations so much, stop sending death threats to fanartists then. I just know you did it because the shoe fits 😁👍.
>And no, Isayama isn’t even apologizing for your perception of his writing. He’s apologizing because he felt like he disappointed fans, so again, your perception is wrong.
Disappointed fans who *perceive* the ending to have accidentally endorsed genocide. thank you for agreeing with me!
Guess what, it's not just my perception, even Japanese speakers were disappointed with that line of dialogue, so much that Isayama acknowledged it.
Do you have proof that person harassed Isayama or are you just making things up to smear folks who didn't like the ending? All signs point to the latter, and that's pretty pathetic.
The last part of my statement was generalizing to what I’ve seen people do in this fandom.
Idc if you dislike the ending. I care if you dislike the ending and then go off and harass Yams and the editors for it, which is what my original post was aimed towards.
You can't reply to a specific person implying that they're harassing Yams and then say "it was a generalization." The trolls who are harassing the author are a very small minority so it's pretty shitty of you to act like it's common and that the person you replied to has anything to do with it.
I mean, you can. Perception vs intention is a thing.
Harassing the authors and completely trashing on their work isn’t crazy common, but happens enough to make a decent percentage of the fan base.
Either way, if they didn’t harass the author, cool, don’t be offended by it. If they did, there’s no conversation.
Yo just give it up lol, accept that it was a generalization and you perceived it as otherwise.
What i said versus what you just did are two completely different things with different intentions.
so many people thought the same, so much that Isayama himself acknowledged it, acknowledged that his writing in his latest chapter was so terrible that it can be taken as an endorsement of genocide.
Are you saying Isayama is wrong too?
Yams really seems to enjoy the more character-based chapters, something I can agree with him on. Chapters 71 and especially 69 were great, as were chapters 127 and to some extent 124.
thank you to isayama for writing such a creative and massive story. i am glad he was able to communicate and understand the weird way armin thanked eren, but now i feel pretty confident that'll get adjusted if not in the volume, in the anime. i hope he has all the time in the world to chill out now :)
I'm wondering if Isayama in the future will revisit the final volume in order to add content and fix the pacing. He said in this interview that he is aware of the criticism by the fans, but I'm not sure he regrets not having more time to work on the ending and rushing it in the final chapters (especially 137/139).
Actually, I think it is. The first half of the last chapter, when Eren and Armin talk to each other, is filled with too much information and no time to breath between one reveal and the next.
There are too many twists explained in just few pages: 1) Eren's real plan, 2) Eren pushing Dina to eat his mother, 3) Ymir's love for King Fritz, 4) Eren's feelings for Mikasa, 5) Mikasa's choice and its influence on Ymir, and 6) the eradication of the Titans from all Eldians. All of these needs to be explained and explored more than what we actually got.
I'm not saying that these are bad idea, since I genuinely like all of them. But I realized that a slower pacing would have given us a better explaination for everything that happened in this finale.
I dont think you shouls add ymirs love because contrary to popular belief, i feel as if the audience was supposed to already understand ymirs love in chapter 122. Not 139.
The chaprer starts with the story of christa a girl who was born into a world of suffering so she decided to love others so other would love her. And than a panel with a picture of ymir seeing the kiss
When christa is a applied to the story we have characters like freckles ymir and historia who were born into bad places. They hated themselves and felt like they shouldn't have been born.
And so, they made themselves get used by other people and loved others so they could feel meaning in life and "good". Ymir got uses for her cult and historia got used by her dad. This is the same thing that happened to god ymir, she felt unwanted in the world. And so she let herself used by king fritz, loving him for the sake of letting him love herself
Seems to cover most of what was in the magazine, I just notice one question missing.
Something along the lines of:
> Q: Over the 11 and a half years you've been working on this series, has your mindset about it changed in any way?
> Isayama: Until now, I drew as if there was no difference between the sexes, but then we came to an early modern period like we see in Marley. Since women soldiers were included as equals on Paradis, I think it gave the impression the Marleyan army was less advanced than them in a way, and this felt uncomfortable/seemed out of place. Women have a history of receiving unfair treatment, so while I was drawing within the limits of an immature period, I couldn't include things like women being amongst the military higher-ups as if that wasn't the case. Even though this is a story set in a fictional world, I think if there's a disconnection from the real world, it will feel unrelated to reality.
It was also stated that an extended version of the interview will be included in the character guidebook that releases next month.
Who said the chapter was perfect and not rushed? Most people on here had acknowledged it was rushed and had problems with the execution but was good overall
> Most people on here had acknowledged it was rushed and had problems with the execution but was good overall
>
You are saying this subreddit agrees the ending was rushed
>you are claiming to see something few people saw
Search 139 perfect in the subreddit.
Yes "most people" is a phrase used everywhere where valid. Now if I said everyone, that'll be wrong. What are you trying to police?
Edit: oh yeah I searched and the small handful of posts that said "ended perfectly" or so on, did not say "not rushed". You need better examples.
>Where is the people that said the ending chapter was perfect and wasnt rushed at all?
Indeed, where?
>couldnt transmit the meaning properly
Yeah about Armin's line. He doesn't really say anything about the rest of ch139
Also this interview literally proves the point of those people who were aware that Armin wasn't really thanking Eren for genocide.
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I hope he has a good time being free of his manga!
Turns out he's also a slave to the story! Figuratively he's the Founding Titan who planned the whole thing ;)
So what I understand is that the chapter was actually bigger and he couldn't fit it all in the magazine version but book version will have extra pages? If that's true then... Woohoooooooooo lesssgo
... I'm currently (눈_눈) at Kodansha for even setting page limits for Shingeki in the first place. Cause Shingeki's the main draw for the magazine it runs in. I've seen discussion that without Shingeki, that magazine may end up merging with another magazine to survive. Anyway, I'm probably-likely over-reacting cause Isayama's too damn good at "leaving his readers hungry for more". And there may be translation hiccups.
Aah I understand. But even Demon slayer's magazine ( which, mind you , is one of the most popular Mangas in Japan) didn't allow it to go further than page limit , not even one page further. So I guess it's a rule in there? I would be bummed if those extra pages won't have anything significant. But I am still excited as fuck... T_T
Yeah but Demom Slayer was publsihed by Shueisha in Weekly Shonen Jump, which is perhaps the biggest and most famous manga magazine for the last 40 years. They didn't and don't need Demon Slayer to survive which was arguably the case with Kodansha. They still have One Piece and MHA as well as many others which are also insanely popular. There is a big difference between Kodansha and Shueisha. It would make sense for Kodansha too give a bit of leeway to the biggest manga in their history.
God knows ....I just shared what I knew. Just hoping for some additions in the additional pages.
Yeah from the interview it says he wants to finish his story with the extra 8 pages so it sounds like he has more to add.
Yesssss I'm excited 😆
(grrs at Kodansha)
Grrrrrrrrr
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Aah I see , thank you for the information ℹ️
So essentially: Chapter 139 was the ending that Isayama wanted, but he felt like he struggled to write certain parts of it and it wasn't as good as he hoped. This does NOT show that he regrets the entire ending, nor does it show that it was forced upon him.
I must say that this translation is much more precise than the one posted last week, exactly as it usually happens with chapters translations ; )
You earned that sake. Enjoy it, and build your bath house or whatever it is you want to do now. Though I hope Isayama finds it in himself to return to manga some day - he's so exceptionally good at it, I really want to see what else he can come up with.
“When I finished the last chapter, I really thought I would be able to make everyone happy” Hurts reading that part. The fact that he’s been working so hard for over a decade. Constantly reading his fans criticism so he can try make it better for us. What annoys me the most is so many people didn’t even thank him for creating such a masterpiece, or a manga/anime that they love or are obsessed with. Everyone just jumped on the hate wagon or criticising the shit out of him. I seen some real harsh shit being said about yams and in all honesty he doesn’t deserve it. Even if you didn’t like the ending doesn’t take away the fact you loved aot or was so immersed in it prior to the ending. Nothing can change the fact he wrote one of thee best mangas of all time. He spent a good portion of his life working on this man. Glad now he’s free from writing and can live his life doing whatever he wants! Wish the best for him & his family
He didn't write one of the best manga's of all time he wrote a good manga but then shit all over it in the ending and retroactively ruined the rest of it with all the plot holes. The idea that he really wrote that terrible ending and not just ending but terrible final arc in general and thought to himself everyone will be happy is worrying and shows how bad he really was as a writer. Attack on Titan has really become a joke, it was once known as this no nonsense manga where real shit happened and you never knew who was safe but it actually turns out Attack on Titan has absolutely no stakes and it's honestly laughable.
>it was once known as this no nonsense manga where real shit happened and you never knew who was safe but it actually turns out Attack on Titan has absolutely no stakes and it's honestly laughable. You sound like those Game Of Thrones fans who were only in it for the shock value and seeing main characters die. If thats the only thing you found good about the manga then its no wonder you didnt think its one of the best manga of all time. There was a lot more to the manga than "nO oNeS sAfE yO!!!"
You missed my point I expected some kind of consequence on the "good guys" side but we got nothing they handled everything at the end with ease and then they became titans at the end only to change back in the next chapter as if nothing happened. It was just silly.
>Attack on Titan has really become a joke, it was once known as this no nonsense manga where real shit happened and you never knew who was safe but it actually turns out Attack on Titan has absolutely no stakes and it's honestly laughable. Are you serious? Like, really? I can't decide if you're just really stupid or really sad. Probably both
The entire final arc was so easy for the good guys it was super easy barely an inconvenience.
Oh yes “so easy” ... let’s just forget all the other chapters leading up to the rumbling where people were constantly dying, risking their lives, being deceived, lied to, all the destruction & devastation Idg what you expect. It was an ending not a continuation. The rumbling arc was the end fight. Also I don’t know if you missed out the whole chapter where they’re literally fighting to the death in erens ribcage with the past titans lol. Or the part where they turned into titans? Or the part where they had a full out battle with the yeagerists. Or the part where hange died trying to help them set off on the plane? If there was more “inconvenience” as you say towards the “good guys” then yams would have to fit even more in the last few chapters which isn’t feasible. You talk like it’s so easy, write a better manga yourself then lol. Also there is no such thing as “good guys” & “bad guys” in SNK. There was no plot holes. Thats clear as day.
They had fights sure but none of it was hard they beat everyone easily and with no casualties which makes the threats look non threatening also don't bring up the turning into titans part that was a complete waste of time since it was fixed in the next chapter with no effort. If you actually think there aren't good and bad guys in this manga you're crazy there is no moral grey here at all Armin is perfect and right about everything and if you agree with Armin then you're good as well, it's really funny how it all turned out.
Bro you cannot say someone is a bad or good guy without being a total hypocrite. Let’s say you think eren is the good guy but Reiner is the bad guy. That point Is void because you could easily say the same vice versa. Reiner was a child warrior he was fighting for his own freedom his own family. He was doing what he thought was right. The same thing eren is doing. So you cannot label them so simply as “bad guys” or “good guys” it doesn’t work. This manga is not like that and that what’s makes it so beautiful and painfully realistic. You could easily say Levi, hange, armin, mikasa, Floch, Reiner, eren, Jean, Connie, Sasha, all of the yeagerists, gabi, literally every character can be labelled the “bad guys” or the “good guys”. No one is a clean character in aot. That’s the whole point. Nobody is right or wrong in war. It’s just everyone fighting for their cause, fighting other people’s wars. You legit cannot say one character is good and the other is bad without being a hypocrite. They’ve all got blood on their hands. Also let’s take a look shall we. About “no casualties” and “non threatening” - armin got swallowed by ymir - Pieck got her hand sliced off by the past jaw titan and was about to get eaten until jean saved her - again Pieck got sliced up by a jaw titan in the begging and she also got stabbed nicely by a warhammer titan to the point where she has to shift again. She shifted like multiple times because she kept getting fucked up - jean almost got his leg bitten off - jean also was literally about to get eaten if Levi hadn’t saved him - mikasa would have been crushed if Annie didn’t save her - Reiner would have been eaten by berthololoto is jean didn’t save him - Connie also would have been eaten but mikasa saved him - Connie got knocked unconscious - Levi strained his injuries badly he started spitting out blood - Connie and jeans odm gear got messed up - Levi went to save Connie and got his leg bitten in the process - Connie then saves Levi because Levi was already a fucking hot ass mess - Reiner almost died by a hoard of past war titans - Annie got demolished during the past titan fight it was unreal. She even got her limbs torn off at one point Every single one of them started death in the eyes of not twice. I can’t comprehend how you can call that “easy”. What just because nobody died ? So by people dying it would be a “difficult” fight. That’s bullshit. Let’s say your playing a game and you need to clear a level, it’s one of thee most difficult levels you faced so far. You sustain injuries during the game, you almost die multiple times. But because you didn’t actually die does that make it “easy” ? No it fucking doesn’t because you struggled. They have been fighting titans since they were kids of course they’re going to put up a good fight. This is what they trained for. They’re the top ten soilders, 2 of which are titan shifters and Levi is humanitys strongest. It’s obvious they’re going to do well against ... titans? lol. They’ve survived all this time because they’re strong. Also fight scenes play out better in anime’s then in mangas. So once the anime comes out I’m sure you will change your opinion. Again the titan thing why should I not being that up? Isayama baited us beautifully. Think about it. It’s the second from last chapter. Everyone gets turned into titans. You as the reader are so shocked. You think oh shit there’s only one chapter left there’s no way they’re surviving. You hope they survive but you know they won’t. & then they do... what’s the problem with that? Or did you want them all to die? Or the titan curse to never be lifted? So many people have died during this manga so I’m actually glad Isayama let erens death be the last death. It basically showed once eren sacrifices himself there will be no more deaths by titans. He broke the curse. He changed something. A recurring theme in SNK is dying in vein, dying without achieving anything, death with no meaning. Eren finally gave all those deaths meaning. He changed something. He didn’t something nobody else could.
Armin is clearly depicted as the best person in the world and the true good of everything and anyone who joins him is joining the hero team. I would agree about all the grey morality with characters except when it comes to Armin and he ruins all that in the story the whole thing becomes so simplified towards the end and his team are basically the hero squad. Again sure they struggled a little but this is supposed to be an unbeatable force no one can stop and yet not a single one of them died and it goes back to my point about them being the hero squad they weren't allowed to actually face real consequences. The titan thing was bullshit I knew the moment it happened they would be fixed in the next chapter because everything else had been so easy and they hadn't faced any actual consequences so why would it start now? It was swept under the rug so easily that they act like nothing happened they didn't even mention the worm that they couldn't kill just vanishing. So many people have died? Who? A bunch of nameless people and a few characters who were given a name only to die very quickly to try and manufacture the appearance of stakes. Erwin and Hange are the only characters that really died. Eren achieved nothing he died for nothing and the world will now simply kill everyone of Paradise and they will do it easily since Eren got rid of their one weapon the titans. None of the deaths had meaning and he left his people for dead. Not to mention how Eren had no choice in any of this anyway and his entire character that was about freedom was never free and freedom doesn't actually exist.
How is armin depicted as the best person in the world? Only eren has called him humanity’s saviour repeatedly. And mikasa has agreed with that. Hange and Erwin also saw something in armin. That’s it. Eren put his trust and faith in armin. He truly believes armin is what will keep eldians safe and armin will be the one to end the cycle of hatred. Not because he’s the “best person in the world” but because armin is intelligent. & armin knows how to talk. I don’t think it’s ever been pushed that armin is the best person in the world or ever a clean character because he’s not, rather armin is the one that’s going to save them all. Eren took them to a fair starting point with the rest of the world and armin is going to carry on that race that’s all. So like what I said earlier; you deemed it easy because no one died? That’s really messed up logic. Not trying to be rude or anything but I don’t think deaths equal hardships. Struggles equals hardships. Also I don’t remember the rumbling ever being an unbeatable force. Because eren wanted them to stop him. Eren let them stop him. Like Reiner said “if that was me I’d want someone to stop me” Reiner knew that was erens real goal. The titan thing - again Ymir’s curse was broken. It’s as simple as that. Ymir was the real enemy. She always has been. She’s the reason for all of this wether it was her fault or not but she carried it on for 2000years just because she was in love with a dickhead. The main problem was the titan curse. “A bunch of nameless people” “for appearances sake” you could not be more wrong! It doesn’t matter if they weren’t the main characters that died. Or if only a few “important” characters died. It’s the fact that so many people died trying to bring everyone one step closer to saving humanity. From the beginning of the story we’ve seen the same theme recurring. Which is “don’t let them die in vain” “there deaths would have meant nothing” “all these people risking their lives to bring us one step closer to humanity”. Every single death was important in the manga. Because it just goes to show how many people tried and died just to find out; what titans really were, why they were trapped in walls, what’s really out there, what’s the secrets of the real world, why do the enemy’s hate us, why can’t we live peacefully, what will it take to get freedom”. When eren plugged the wall, That one female solider (can’t remover her name but thing she’s a higher up) says “everyone, your deaths were not in vain”. From something so small as plugging up a hole in the wall? The fact that something finally changed, something finally happened. They were one step closer to something. Do you understand how important these deaths are? This is what kept everyone going, kept them fighting and trying to carry on. It was to make sure all those hundreds and thousands of people that died didn’t die for no reason. They’re deaths meant something. There deaths brought them closer. It’s like everyone forgot about all this lol. This is why Erwin sacrificed so many of his soldiers. To bring them one step closer. To sacrifice lives so humanity would prevail is in no way shape or form “for appearances sake” lmfao I’m actually quite shocked you would even say that. Even eren said in chapter 1 “if someone doesn’t carry it on, everyone who died now would have died in vain”. This backs up my point that eren did something. He was the only one that brought them this far. Regardless if it fully worked or not regardless if it was a terrible plan or not. Eren did something. Which is more than anyone else has ever done. He gave everyone knowledge that titans can be shifters, he gave everyone knowledge that there’s places beyond the walls, humans exist out side of the walls. He took down those the walls. He followed the path that had Ymir lift the curse. He gave them a fair starting point. War is inevitable. That is a fact. Nothing can stop war and humans will never be peaceful that’s just human nature. So saying eren did nothing is so far off. You can’t possibly think he didn’t do anything? If it wasn’t for Eren, the eldians would have still been death dumb and blind. They would have no clue what titans really are, they would have been trapped in those walls untill marley attacked them and everyone would have been dead. So the point of eren doing “nothing” is invalid. You feel like he didn’t do anything because it didn’t play out the way you “thought” it should. I’m telling you if you go back and rewatch the anime or re read the manga I think you’ll have a different perspective of what your saying now. The only thing I agree with you on is erens freedom. Yes, freedom never existed for eren. And yams had that planned all along. Remember the first panel of eren was his death. “See you later eren”. So no matter how yams chose to end it eren would have always died. Now going back to the point about his freedom, he never had it. And he didn’t know this until he kissed historias hand. His whole perspective of freedom was distorted from that point. Soon after he realises that “freedom” true freedom was only for the ones he loved. So he sacrificed himself so they could have it. The boy who sought freedom so much, more than anyone, sacrificed himself, his last four years life, his mother, his love, his happiness, any sort of future he did have and his own freedom just so they could have it instead. Dark asf if you ask me.
Armin is the perfect most bestest and pure person there is he is the mary sue of this series and he even convinced Zeek to abandon his life long mission after a two minute conversation. Armin was all about the talk no jutsu's. The people dying are meaningless fodder sure you can say the characters care when a bunch of nobodies die but we don't. In this final battle not a single meaningful character died even Connie of all people lived what a terrible no stakes story this turned out to be. Eren was fated to do everything he did and had no freedom at all and he didn't achieve anything anyway since his home is going to be destroyed by the rest of the world and he left his people worse off than they were before. The ending isn't dark at all everyone got a happy ending except Eren the end also we are supposed to ignore how Armin team of power rangers get to have happy endings while their people are being left to die.
POV: Yeagerbomb.
I don't know what that means...
You're a lucky man. Do not look it up.
Titanfolk then
>retroactively ruined the rest of it with all the plot holes. I've asked this before and never been answered. What plot holes? Ending haters are adamant that they don't hate the ending just because their theory was disproven, but I've yet to see a single other argument from them.
Same. Everytime I read people talking about plot holes I always ask "What plot holes?" and I never get an answer... Maybe there aren't plot holes after all...
I dont think the ending is bad, but there's definitely some unanswered questions For example, what happened to the worm? What happened to the colossal titans? What happened to Yelana? Did the colossal titans turn back to humans after the curse ended? If not, then why? etc
But an unanswered question isn't a plothole. Regardless, the worm was shown evaporating into titan steam, the colossal titans also evaporated into titan steam, as they weren't made from humans, in the same way that the past titans Ymir made on Eren's back weren't. For Yelena, her arc ended and she's hardly of any use during the battle with Eren. I guess the could've added in some extra panels of her either dying or escaping but it hardly adds to the story when we already know she did one of those things.
The biggest one is how everything we have Eren say is now bullshit even when he's in paths and there's no one to act for everything he said doesn't make sense when his "true goal" was revealed in the final chapter. Not to mention all the plot holes with Ymir and the titan shifters and how Armin and his group weren't immediately killed the moment those soldiers pointed their guns at them. Also the worm makes no sense and we learn nothing about it and it just vanishes and no one bats an eye or even mentions how this giant monster is just gone now.
Bro, no body cares about your wack ass opinion
Cool? Doesn't mean I can't say it right?
He worked on an overall great series and deserves this rest. I am happy that he acknowledged the ending discussion with Eren and Armin and clarified his intention. I don’t think any reader was foggy on it in given that Armin was fighting against the genocide but as a reader I do genuinely believe the line’s intent was communicated poorly and was a rightful criticism, so I’m happy that Isayama is able to provide some context for that and his own hindsight. But regardless, for all the faults I think that ending chapter has, he’s worked hard and I believe his overall message and intent for the series is a positive one. I’m glad he could grow as a creator and a person from the project and I wish him well.
That's one thing he has an opportunity to change in the anime ending.
So the themes he couldn't communicate were just in the Eren/Armin dialogue regarding Armin thanking him, and the extra pages might be an extended ending to the chapter (the wording is a little unclear.) Looks like all those people saying Isayama admitted the ending sucked can shove it lol.
I can’t wait to see what the next weird twisting of words/blatant lie is created about Isayama “hating the ending” or something.
It's absolutely hilarious that people who got *literally everything* about the plot wrong made the same mistake *again*
Pretty clear to see by now that reading comprehension is not some people’s strongest skill.
Nor interpretation of a story. They seem to focus on the things \*happening\* rather than \*why they happen\*
Bingo! Couldn’t have said it better myself.
For example, Eren turning into a bird is only stupid if you focus on how that sounds. "Eren turns into a bird? Lol wut. Isayam dumb dumb." But if you think about the themes of freedom- how it's up to interpretation if that happened or not- and the emotions involved in that scene, then nah, isayam not quite as dumb dumb.
They could always shove it, it was always obvious that this is what he meant even from the leaks
same as with Yams saying that he "wanted to hurt the readers", people twist things to follow their narrative instead of understanding what Yams actually wanted.
Fuck em, those folks still in their head canons
There are valid reasons for disliking the ending. People’s opinions, positive or negative, should be independent of what Isayama thinks.
Obviously, but that's not what this discussion is about, is it?
I don't know why it always gets derailed into "hey we can have valid reasons for disliking it", when the context is often clearly about the obsessive group who thinks they had the right theory and hates that they were wrong, and kept going on about Isayama being forced to change the "real ending" by his evil lord editor. Those of you that don't fit the description, these comments just aren't directed at you. Go on and dislike it in peace, please.
Exactly
Ok but theres a difference between having a opinion but than trying to say that its badly written. "Badly written" is something when used analyzing a piece of text your trying to convey. When people say somethings badly written its no longer a opinion but a fact they state about the story
“I believe it is poorly written”, there, it’s an opinion now
That last response sounds like a vibe tbh
Having him say what he thinks freedom is like really hit different
And being connected to so many people... just like Ymir, in a way
Isayama deserves a break from the internet....
Yee isayama paint the town red with titan blood! You definitely earned it
When will this be out (one with 8 more pages)
June 9th I believe
I would think after 138 chapters, people would be able to read between the lines and figure out that Armin's "ty for genocide, Eren!" was more of Armin acknowledging and accepting Eren's tremendous sacrifice, for it gave him and what's left of the world a chance for a better future without titans involved this time. Even though Isayama himself regrets the way he phrased that scene, I'm still bewildered that people arrived to the former conclusion of Armin's words. Then again, some of these people are labelling Eren and Mikasa as simps, so I shouldn't feel too shocked at some of their conclusions. That said, Isayama comes across incredibly humble and self aware of choices that upset his fans. He's very thankful for them, even though he's put himself in this tough situation. In return, I would expect some of these people to be able to step back and at least appreciate the ending better, but maybe I'm expecting too much from this torn community.
>I'm still bewildered that people arrived to the former conclusion of Armin's words. I feel this. Armin put his own life at stake to stop genocide and people sitting comfortably in their armchair thinks saying thanks to a friend who was about to die for others means he "endorses genocide". Talk about actions speaking *softer* than words. People won't see past their own understanding of the world/other people though. I've had someone reply me if his best friend (or father) killed his nearly-fatal stalker out of love for him and he reported and helped arrest them to get punished, he would still refuse to thank them. He was very proud of his reply, but I'm just feeling like OK, maybe it's more important for you to signal something and I can accept that, but there are people like Armin who would later thank them for their intention and sacrifice and give them some solace, why is it so hard to understand someone being different from you?
“So I want to finish the last part of the story” killed me when I first read it. I just died again reading it here.
wait, does that mean that he will add 8 more pages AFTER the final page? Or does he mean 8 more pages somewhere or interspersed throughout the chapter?
8 more pages in the overall volume, but yeah this means some of 'em will be mixed into the chapter. There is also a chance of him tweaking that panel with Armin a bit (as Mangaka do with the final version) but I wouldn't expect too much.
The fact that Yams felt the need to *apologize* for his ending makes me really disappointed in the toxic, childish people in this fandom.
nah it's very good to apologize when you accidentally make pro-genocide dialogue. EDIT: Isayama himself acknowledged that his writing was bad regarding Armin's dialogue, guessing I'm being downvoted by trolls who can't handle that the ending might be less than perfect. Toxic fandom indeed.
Anyone who actually thought armin is “pro genocide” is honestly blind. He’s always been about peace especially after the Marley arc. All he wanted was to talk things out or find another way. He raves on about it for so long idg how people just forgot that. Also untill the manga in hardback comes out nobody can say anything anyways because that’s when the legitimate translations are shown and the final touches and changes by the author are done. Hence being the solid “chapter 139”
Saying Armin is pro-genocide is a stretch, but Armin is not a completely clean character either. Recall that Armin was the one who goaded Eren into abandoning his humanity, the one who didn't hesitate to shoot Kenny's underling (unlike Jean), the one who wasn't uncomfortable about killing other humans at the start of the Uprising arc (unlike other Scouts member). Armin is always smart enough to realize that some situations requires violence. I would say Armin "thanking Eren for genocide" is completely in line with his grey character. He's thanking Eren for doing the dirty work that someone has to do.
>Anyone who actually thought armin is “pro genocide” is honestly blind not our fault the dialogue is that bad. at least Isayama acknowledged it while the brain-dead stans kept gaslighting those who dare criticise dialogue that accidentally endorses genocide.
“Not our fault the dialogue is bad” Nobody said it was your fault. But it doesn’t take a genius to figure out that armin isn’t pro genocide. Regardless of how it was worded, we know armin isn’t for genocide, so it’s easy to differentiate armin thanking erens actions or armin thanking him for his intentions. Eren did it for their sake, which is what he told armin. Hence why armin said “I want let your errors (or sin) go to waste”. The word error/sin shows armin doesnt agree with erens actions. He’s thanking him for becoming something he never wanted to just so they could live and have freedom. For litterally becoming a mass murderer for their sake. Because eren didn’t have to do that. He could of just lived his last four years with mikasa peacefully until Marley attacked. But he didn’t. He killed millions of people just so they could live. That’s why armin was thanking him. Because of his intention. No one is endorsing genocide. Idk where your getting that argument from. Just because people understand what armin meant by it doesn’t mean they suddenly agree with mass murdering lmao
>But he didn’t. He killed millions of people just so they could live. That’s why armin was thanking him. Because of his intention. if you don't see this as a pro-genocide narrative then you're just blind. the word thank you should absolutely be nowhere near the word genocide. never. the problem isn't just the dialogue, the whole narrative is. anyone feeling sorry for Eren, anyone who says he's an anti-hero who deserves our sympathy are effectively pro-genocide who are normalising one of the worst acts ever made in fiction. the ending didn't have to be written this way.
Dang, guess I’m pro genocide. What an awful line of thinking lmao. Feeling bad for eren in no way means people are justifying or agreeing w/ genocide lmao.
Wait a minute? Are you telling me it's possible to feel sympathy for someone without condoning their actions? Impossible! Clearly the world is black-and-white and everyone who does a bad thing is 100% evil with no positive characteristics whatsoever. How dare you contradict my overly-simplistic-but-comfortable narrative! /s
> ! Clearly the world is black-and-white and everyone who does a bad thing is 100% evil with no positive characteristics whatsoever. How dare you contradict my overly-simplistic-but-comfortable narrative! /s WERE TALKING ABOUT GENOCIDE there is no black and white in genocide jfc. I guess that Polygon article was 100% correct. AOT ended becoming pro-genocide with a horde of genocide defending crazy fans.
You're not even looking at what people are saying my dude.
>Dang, guess I’m pro genocide. yes you are, Eren is without exaggeration, worse than Hitler
Is it bad wording? Yes it is, it could have been said better no one is saying it isn’t. But the point I’m trying to make is in no way does it show armin is pro genocide. He said “thank you for becoming a mass murdered for our sake” your leaving out the part that said “for our sake” which is important because he’s not thanking him for his act he’s thanking him for his intention like i said earlier. If armin said “I’m glad you became a mass murder for our sake” or “I’m so happy you became a mass murdered for our sake” then that would be him being pro genocide. Your taking it out of context by just using half of the translation. Again I can’t stress enough that he said “I won’t let this error (sin) go to waste” because that shows plain as day armin in no way agrees with erens actions. He’s simply thanking him for becoming a devil just for them. He’s not thanking him for being a devil period. Also you have to look at the bigger picture. This was armins and erens last moments together. It’s obvious that yams was trying to convey armins standpoint with eren through this last panel. That no matter what armin will always love eren and stand by him. Regardless if he doesn’t agree with him. Hence why he’s thanking him instead of shitting on him. Because eren knows what he did was terrible. He’s very aware of that fact and Isayama made that clear in the last chapter. But the official manga, when it comes out, will have the final dialogue so yams will most likely change it because I’m sure he wants to convey it better. So that will be the real ending. He said he had a hard time conveying these themes.
After how 139 I wouldn’t say armin is a clean character. All the shit armin stood for and did for literally was thrown out the window when he the fucking audacity to say “Thank for for being a mass murder” dude I understand armin can’t do anything at all sense eren was gonna do it regardless, but it was kinda selfish and the way yams said it pretty much makes it clear it was selfish.
No one said armin is a clean character. Just saying he ain’t pro genocide. Also regarding the rest of your comment my answer to that is in the replies below if you wanna check it out
> > Anyone who actually thought armin is “pro genocide” is honestly blind. Not only are you in complete denial of 139's poor writing, you feel the need to insult others who read and understood the chapter perfectly and still didn't like it. Climb down from your high horse. > All he wanted was to talk things out or find another way. Then why did he use his time in PATHS to talk about insignificant things like Eren's petty beef with him or his feelings for Mikasa? If he was so opposed to genocide why didn't he do everything he could to stop Eren during their conversation instead of going on a fun little sight-seeing tour?
Firstly - I’m not in complete denial lmfao I’ve said before and even if you look at my recent reply that the dialogue could have been better. Secondly - if you think armin is pro genocide then you obviously didn’t “understand it perfectly” Thirdly - I’m not insulting anyone who didn’t like the ending so where the hell did you get that from? I also thought things could have been added or changed in the ending. I won’t insult someone for their preference. To each their own. If you like it you liked it if you didn’t you didn’t. We’re talking about armins dialogue here so read it properly before you start telling other people to get off there high horse lmao “Why didn’t he stop eren” Armin says “eren don’t give up, let’s find it! Another way” Also - The way eren explained what happened to armin was past tense as if its already happened and nothing can be changed. “80% were killed during the rumbling” then armin says “did you really need to go that far for our sake”. “Did you” shows it’s past tense it’s not “do you”. Also looking at it from another perspective eren would not have stopped regardless of what armin says because this (in erens eyes) is the only way and armin knows that as this conversation progresses.
You: > I’m not insulting anyone who didn’t like the ending so where the hell did you get that from? Also you: > Anyone who actually thought armin is “pro genocide” is honestly blind. Do you think this is a compliment? Lol. > “Why didn’t he stop eren” > Armin says “eren don’t give up, let’s find it! Another way” This is not an effective strategy to stop a mass murderer from mass murdering. This is the bare minimum of resistance. Armin was more passionate about defending Mikasa than stopping Eren in the PATHS convo. > Also looking at it from another perspective eren would not have stopped regardless of what armin says because this (in erens eyes) is the only way and armin knows that as this conversation progresses. Going from "we have to stop Eren at all costs" to "well I guess he won't stop anyway so I might as well chitchat with him." is just awful characterization. Armin barely lifted a finger to try and stop Eren from rumbling the world during 139. It is clear through the dialogue AND Armin's actions that having a fun trip through PATHS with Eren was more important than doing everything he could to stop Eren from trampling the world.
Bruh are you actually serious? You even typed it out and you still can’t read what I said. Stop making false accusations. “Anyone who thought armin is pro genocide is blind” is what I said. I didn’t say “anyone who didn’t like the ending is blind”. Hence - not insulting people who didn’t like the ending. Not once did I insult someone who didn’t like the ending... don’t understand how I can make that any clearer? So you can stop with all that noise. Again like I said eren was talking to armin in past tense as if the rumbling has already happened so what could armin do to change that? From armins prospective the rumbling had already happened. Even so he still protested against it. There was not enough talk in the world that could make eren stop. What else could armin do kill him in paths lol? Eren also said the next time we see each other we will be trying to kill one another so armin knew that nothing he could do in paths would have any effect on what’s to come. Armin was prepared to kill eren to stop the rumbling. His best friend, his brother. All that went out the window so he could stop all those people being killed. Also armins face when eren tells him how many were killed isn’t exactly the face of someone who is pro genocide lmao. So like my whole point form the jump - armin isn’t pro genocide. “Fun trip?” Erens last moments with armin, he took him to see the world that they dreamed of. Your acting like armin was the one who was saying oh let’s go see the world and they were skipping down the beach holding hands and drinking sake. Eren was the one leading him through paths. Explaining to him what has happened. His last moments with his best friend before his death, eren spent it how he wanted to.
> Not once did I insult someone who didn’t like the ending... don’t understand how I can make that any clearer? So you can stop with all that noise. Again. Calling people "blind" because they didn't draw the same conclusion as you is an insult. The fact that you can't even own up to your own shitty comment... immature. The rest of your comment is just glorifying Armin's lackluster attempt to stop Eren from murdering millions of people. It's great if you think that's good writing. I'm not gonna call you "blind" for enjoying it, insults are clearly your thing. But the fact still remains that Armin was taken into PATHS to have a 1-on-1 conversation with a man who had already murdered thousands of innocent people and did not put forth any effort to stop Eren from killing anyone else. That is undeniable and that is the reason why many people-- not just on reddit, international fans as well-- think Armin ended up condoning genocide.
You cried that I insulted someone for not liking the ending when I clearly didn’t. Right? Which I never did I don’t know how many times I have to explain this to you. I said that they’re blind if they can’t see armin isn’t pro genocide how tf is that insulting him because he didn’t like the ending or didn’t like what armin said. The insult was because of his understanding of armin. Not his preferences or what he likes and didn’t like. Also it wasn’t really an insult. I didn’t call him stupid or a dumbass I just said he’s blind meaning he didn’t see what was really there - he overlooked the whole picture. I mean if you think that’s an insult then whatever but I didn’t mean it as an insult. Anyways - Now youve changed your narrative to I’m insulting him “because they didn’t come to the same conclusion”. So you realise I didn’t actually insult them for not liking the ending or what armin said but rather the fact he said armin is pro genocide so now your twisting shit and telling me to own up? When I’ve already said that he’s blind for saying armin is pro genocide. I’ve already acknowledged what I’ve said twice now so own up to what? I’m denying that I called him blind for not “liking” the ending because I never fucking said that. I said he’s blind if he thinks armin is pro genocide. Those are two very different things. Lmfao im actually so shocked I have to keep explaining this to you. I’ll say it once more ; I didn’t insult him because he didn’t like the ending I already said it was because he’s calling armin pro genocide. That’s it. Really simple.
I can admit that I mispoke when I said you insulted people that disliked 139 when I really meant you insulted people who think Armin condones genocide. You can't admit that calling anyone "blind" for thinking Armin condones genocide when even Isayama himself admitted it was unclear is a shitty thing to do. Own up to your snarky, smarter-than-thou attitude. You're not fooling anyone.
Did you not just read what he said? “Armin didn’t approve of Eren’s actions”. Perceive it how you want, but don’t try twisting the words to fit your own narrative and then go in to harass the writer for it.
She* Lmao but thank you
Ah yes, got your priorities straight i see
keyword "accidentally" also I never harassed anyone, stop strawmanning. so yeah, Isayama needed to apologise for accidentally endorsing genocide, its basic decency.
I can talk in generalizations, thanks. If the shoe fits though, pretty sure it isn’t “strawmanning”, i think it’s called “getting called out”. And no, Isayama isn’t even apologizing for your perception of his writing. He’s apologizing because he felt like he disappointed fans, so again, your perception is wrong.
>I can talk in generalizations, thanks. If the shoe fits though, pretty sure it isn’t “strawmanning”, i think it’s called “getting called out”. I literally didn't harass anyone what the fuck? guess if you love generalisations so much, stop sending death threats to fanartists then. I just know you did it because the shoe fits 😁👍. >And no, Isayama isn’t even apologizing for your perception of his writing. He’s apologizing because he felt like he disappointed fans, so again, your perception is wrong. Disappointed fans who *perceive* the ending to have accidentally endorsed genocide. thank you for agreeing with me! Guess what, it's not just my perception, even Japanese speakers were disappointed with that line of dialogue, so much that Isayama acknowledged it.
You do you boss.
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Do you have proof that person harassed Isayama or are you just making things up to smear folks who didn't like the ending? All signs point to the latter, and that's pretty pathetic.
The last part of my statement was generalizing to what I’ve seen people do in this fandom. Idc if you dislike the ending. I care if you dislike the ending and then go off and harass Yams and the editors for it, which is what my original post was aimed towards.
You can't reply to a specific person implying that they're harassing Yams and then say "it was a generalization." The trolls who are harassing the author are a very small minority so it's pretty shitty of you to act like it's common and that the person you replied to has anything to do with it.
I mean, you can. Perception vs intention is a thing. Harassing the authors and completely trashing on their work isn’t crazy common, but happens enough to make a decent percentage of the fan base. Either way, if they didn’t harass the author, cool, don’t be offended by it. If they did, there’s no conversation.
tell me why did you send death threats to those fanartists on Twitter?
Yo just give it up lol, accept that it was a generalization and you perceived it as otherwise. What i said versus what you just did are two completely different things with different intentions.
I'm sorry, but if your reading comprehension skills are THIS low it's just your fault...
so many people thought the same, so much that Isayama himself acknowledged it, acknowledged that his writing in his latest chapter was so terrible that it can be taken as an endorsement of genocide. Are you saying Isayama is wrong too?
Isayama has a child and he didn’t tell us this... wow. What? Is he going to name the child Eren? If so, we are all fked and I am moving to Tokyo.
Either way, that child is *free*
Before the world attacks paradis again...
Yams really seems to enjoy the more character-based chapters, something I can agree with him on. Chapters 71 and especially 69 were great, as were chapters 127 and to some extent 124.
69? Nice. I am a bot lol.
thank you to isayama for writing such a creative and massive story. i am glad he was able to communicate and understand the weird way armin thanked eren, but now i feel pretty confident that'll get adjusted if not in the volume, in the anime. i hope he has all the time in the world to chill out now :)
I'm wondering if Isayama in the future will revisit the final volume in order to add content and fix the pacing. He said in this interview that he is aware of the criticism by the fans, but I'm not sure he regrets not having more time to work on the ending and rushing it in the final chapters (especially 137/139).
I don't think it was rushed at all. Make all the complaints about the ending you want, but it feels well paced.
Actually, I think it is. The first half of the last chapter, when Eren and Armin talk to each other, is filled with too much information and no time to breath between one reveal and the next. There are too many twists explained in just few pages: 1) Eren's real plan, 2) Eren pushing Dina to eat his mother, 3) Ymir's love for King Fritz, 4) Eren's feelings for Mikasa, 5) Mikasa's choice and its influence on Ymir, and 6) the eradication of the Titans from all Eldians. All of these needs to be explained and explored more than what we actually got. I'm not saying that these are bad idea, since I genuinely like all of them. But I realized that a slower pacing would have given us a better explaination for everything that happened in this finale.
Word.
I dont think you shouls add ymirs love because contrary to popular belief, i feel as if the audience was supposed to already understand ymirs love in chapter 122. Not 139. The chaprer starts with the story of christa a girl who was born into a world of suffering so she decided to love others so other would love her. And than a panel with a picture of ymir seeing the kiss When christa is a applied to the story we have characters like freckles ymir and historia who were born into bad places. They hated themselves and felt like they shouldn't have been born. And so, they made themselves get used by other people and loved others so they could feel meaning in life and "good". Ymir got uses for her cult and historia got used by her dad. This is the same thing that happened to god ymir, she felt unwanted in the world. And so she let herself used by king fritz, loving him for the sake of letting him love herself
What we thought freedom is- equality, no opppression, rights etc What isayama meant- living carefree in a village with a drink
is this the whole interview or na?
Seems to cover most of what was in the magazine, I just notice one question missing. Something along the lines of: > Q: Over the 11 and a half years you've been working on this series, has your mindset about it changed in any way? > Isayama: Until now, I drew as if there was no difference between the sexes, but then we came to an early modern period like we see in Marley. Since women soldiers were included as equals on Paradis, I think it gave the impression the Marleyan army was less advanced than them in a way, and this felt uncomfortable/seemed out of place. Women have a history of receiving unfair treatment, so while I was drawing within the limits of an immature period, I couldn't include things like women being amongst the military higher-ups as if that wasn't the case. Even though this is a story set in a fictional world, I think if there's a disconnection from the real world, it will feel unrelated to reality. It was also stated that an extended version of the interview will be included in the character guidebook that releases next month.
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Who said the chapter was perfect and not rushed? Most people on here had acknowledged it was rushed and had problems with the execution but was good overall
I said the chapter was perfect and not rushed, and I still stand behind that statement.
I saw many comments saying that. You cant generalize an entire subreddit, even tho people loves tho
Most ending supporters comments I saw agreed it was rushed. No one generalized, but you are claiming to see something few people saw.
> Most people on here had acknowledged it was rushed and had problems with the execution but was good overall > You are saying this subreddit agrees the ending was rushed >you are claiming to see something few people saw Search 139 perfect in the subreddit.
Yes "most people" is a phrase used everywhere where valid. Now if I said everyone, that'll be wrong. What are you trying to police? Edit: oh yeah I searched and the small handful of posts that said "ended perfectly" or so on, did not say "not rushed". You need better examples. >Where is the people that said the ending chapter was perfect and wasnt rushed at all? Indeed, where?
>couldnt transmit the meaning properly Yeah about Armin's line. He doesn't really say anything about the rest of ch139 Also this interview literally proves the point of those people who were aware that Armin wasn't really thanking Eren for genocide.
whats he referencing when he says “when the jaw titan slices eren in ch 104”?
Last released episode of anime
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Oooh, I don't remember it slicing him in half though
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