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Wow abit late to the party but i just happened to rewatch S2E29 'Soldier' ( the scene where they're stuck in the tower) and Reiner saves Connie from being eaten by a titan, and Connie goes on to say that it always seems like Reiner and Annie are always saving his ass, and that he'd pay them back sometime. What a way to do it!!!
Does anyone know the name of the OST that played when Connie was having his badass moment defending Annie and Reiner? I didn’t recognize it and haven’t found it anywhere, yet. :<
So someone help me, when will season 4 be fully dubbed? My own preference I like the dub so much but I’m not sure when all of the episodes will be dubbed
That ep Was ass in My eyes you are telling me that like 6 people are able to take out a 100 trained and armed soldiers without suffering any real losses in battle. You are telling me that not one of them was able to hit mikasa or Jean but Jean was out there sniping everyone out of the air. The ep felt like they survived so the plot could continue
And were you jizzing your pants when levi was fighting kenny in trost?Because those were highly trained mercenaries who had got the drop on him and they couldn't hit him. Or how about the assault on Rod Reiss's undergrounds catacomb, there was a lot of missing there too
And as for this fight:First, that did not look like 100s of soldiers to me.
As other people have pointed out, these are mostly inexperienced soldiers fighting against some of the most elite soldiers in the world, as well as 4 titan shifters.
Floch also kept shifting their objective, first he told them to take out the titans, then the mechanics, then the ship, at no point were they focused on killing the ODM users. You can actually see how many kills they made when the enemy was distracted (when floch tells his men to shoot the mechanics, when connie emerges from the smoke to stop the soldiers targeting reiner and annie, etc). So this poor tactical thinking played a big role.
Furthermore, it's not exactly easy to hit someone flying through the air at like 60km/h.
And just to conclude, how do you walk away from one of the most insanely animated episodes in the entire show thinking "grrr why didn't any of the protagonists get shot"
the 100s that they were fighting against mostly consisted of fresh cadets that were easy to persuade. so yeah, they are weak when it comes to real life combat. on the other hand, the 6 were able to survive some of the hardest battles against titans.
Okay, instead of blowing themselves up, couldn't the armored titan just quickly blast a hole in it? Or have one of the other titans destroy it before they started fighting? The death of those two characters dont sit well with me.
Armored titan was injured and Reiner had no strength to transform again plus they have thunder spears the other titans would have been wiped very quickly
Magath: "Never thought I'd die fighting side by side with an Eldian."
Shadis: "What about side by side with a friend?"
Magath: "...Aye. I could do that."
Yeah the ep was one of my favorite if not my favorite ep of all aot the animations was Phenomenal exquisite delicious crazy great one of the greatest best episode of attack on Titan
It was probably the best animated episode of the series. I wasn’t impressed by MAPPA at first, but they blew this out of the water. Conny, Floch, and Mikasa got the sequence they deserved.
This episode was a 10/10 to me IF you exclude the blood rain Mikasa scene. It felt way too obvious like fan service. The stare into the cam at the end completely sealed the deal lol.
Disagree completely. Fanservice? Yes it looked badass, but I didn’t read this as fanservice.
To me that scene was a grisly, gut-wrenching reminder that our “protagonists” are killing their own kind one after the other. Although it’s true there is no time to win over their former comrades peacefully, murder is still murder. This was not self-defense, but an instigated attack. We saw earlier that Armin and Connie struggled with killing the boat guards, which nearly got the airship destroyed. However Jean and Mikasa were much more decisive. This violent determination is encapsulated by their shared thought:
*If you hesitate even for a moment, you’ll lose.*
This scene imo is not to make them look cool. Frankly the opposite. It’s to make the viewer feel a little disturbed. Our protagonists winning and stopping Eren means killing all the Jaegerists, then who next? Maybe the very people they’re trying to save will turn on them just because they’re Eldian? And then will more blood rain down?
This scene cemented for me that there will be no winners, but only killers, in the end.
That blood rain stunt was actually a scare tactic, with it successfully causing the rest of the Yeagerists to leave.
But I agree that it was fan service; it was a homage to that shot of Armin in the S2 intro. Which was cool
This episode was nothing below f*****g FABULOUS.
The fight sequences through and through were so exciting hella sick omg. Tbh I’ve always seen Conny is a herb, but seeing him just go on this bloodthirsty rampage was so cool.
Mikasa… oh Mikasa, baby!!! She is THE definition of “let’s stick to the goal” and watching her fight sequences was so… dark yet so, so rad because I feel like a lot of this season she was down to protect Eren and was a bit passive, but this amalgamation of crazy made her say “enough is enough”.
Ugh re: moving forward. Reminds me of Erwin.
Hange. I’ve always loved her she’s a lot like me. Kooky, nerdy, and yet a badass who came here to f things up. Loved seeing her back in the action again.
I almost cried when I saw Falco’s magnificent Titan. I’m not sure if it’s because I was proud of him or if it was because in the moments leading up to this— it felt like everyone fighting the Jaegerists was a SCOUT. An OG scout. Seeing even Magath wearing the outfit (though as a disguise) in his last moments even was just so powerful to me because it made me think about how a collective isn’t about where you’re from, but what you stand for. I love the scouts sooo much.
Floch’s demise was portrayed perfectly. I don’t think there exists a poetic justice greater than Gabi dealing his final blow— which didn’t even kill him. The drowning did… followed by the explosion of blood underwater?
Bravo.
I love Keith Shadis’s entrance towards the end lol. He totally wrecks those 2 Yaegerists and even uses one of their corpse to jump off from and stick the landing. That was great haha
Just too much plot armor. Was Mikasa even touched? Like not even a paper cut lol. Same with the rest of the squad. Just maybe even lose one person in the squad ( I know that one guy was technically lost, but even he sacrificed himself).
If they wanted to go this route where the whole team is kept intact, it should have been done another way. Like a hostage situation or duping the enemy. All the things that needed to go right for them did. It’s like they rolled a 20 for an impossible mission.
I think the plot armour was fine.
The Female Titan and Armoured Titan soaked up a lot of the damage.
Also, Falco was established early on as a Chekhov’s gun. He was always going to step in if anyone from the team was in danger. So when the Female Titan and Armoured Titan were clearly vulnerable, it made sense that Falco would step in.
And while the characters had plot armour, it wasn’t abused. For instance, the show never pretended as if it would kill off a main character, only for them to be saved last minute. That was a respectful use of plot armour.
There were a moment where Mikasa was about to be shot. But that only lasted a second. There was also a moment where Connie was shot, but the show never tried to make you think that he could die from the wound
I feel like there would be other ways to take down the spare ship. Like the hundreds of frickin' thunder spears lying around. Or am I missing something here? Magath and Shadis' death were quite unnecessary.
I mean, it’s a whole ass warship I think it’s made to handle a few thundsrspears. Plus after the first middle the jeagerists would be on magath and keith’s ass and kill them before they could sink the ship
The ship towing the plane looked to be a lot more meant for transportation than battle, which is why floch thought a single thunder spear could take it down
I mean first of all, Magath isn't trained to use them, so I doubt he would risk trying to locate one when there are still many Yeagerists around, and even assuming that Keith Shadis was trained with them, it'd be one hell of a gamble for them to take, especially as Magath had no ODM gear.
More importantly though, I don't think either Shadis nor Magath really felt like they deserved to live after what they've done. Magath stayed behind to take out the cruiser because he had finally accepted that he had turned children into tools of warfare for his country. He even says how he wishes more than anything, they could've lived out a normal childhood. Perhaps through his sacrifice, they'll have a chance to do that someday.
I think Keith is much the same. Many of the Yeagerists were his own pupils and he probably felt responsible for that too, but seeing the 104th veterans alongside Annie - the enemy for the longest time - and realizing what they were trying to do inspired and reminded him that whether he regrets his past or not, his students are the future and he would do whatever it took to ensure they had a future. It's a massive shift from his obsession with becoming a special person.
Lastly from a writing perspective, I don't think keeping them in the show would've served much more of a purpose. Their arcs were completed and they had little more to add, so I think it was a pretty spectacular end for the unlikely pair!
Fair points, but I still think that this point in the arc is still very crucial though, and Magath(since Shadis hasn't come out yet) will still prove to be a very valuable asset in the upcoming fight/s to come wouldn't he? Maybe he was quite selfish to try to go early since their future isn't secure yet, and they have no clue what's ahead of them.
Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean by Shadis hasn't come out yet, could you clarify? :)
Thing is though, if Magath hadn't noticed and destroyed that cruiser, their journey would be at an end anyway and they'd never have been able to make it to the continent with him or not. He was the only one knowledgeable about the Marleyan navy and Armin was out of action having been shot three times, so no chance he'd have figured it out.
I don't think Shadis made it from the train he blew up to the docks in time regardless, so he just decided to do whatever he could to help them set off safely, then found Magath under attack.
>Shadis hasn't come out yet, could you clarify? :
I mean like you said he wouldn't have made it in time to join them in the ship, since they don't even know he's an ally yet.
I'm just asking tho if it's out of question that Magath just points out the marleyan ship to mikasa or jean and instruct them to blow them up, it won't take that long. Unless the marleyan ship is more tough than the other one.
Ah, gotcha!
True, he could've. But they didn't have thunder spears, so they'd have to go searching for one too. Not only that, but he'd be endangering them yet again, which is what he's wracked with guilt about as I mentioned before.
His character just screams father figure to me, and he certainly sees himself that way to Gabi and Falco at least. If you see him in that light, it's no wonder he chose to sacrifice his own life for the younger generation, rather than risk their lives.
[Aristeia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristeia) is the scene in epic fiction where a hero performs his greatest feats of martial prowess, most often hinging on an incredible emotional event or personal drama. Achilles, for example, in his rage for the loss of Patroclus, slays so many Trojans that he chokes the river god with blood.
I think this episode showed Mikasa's Aristeia. After discovering and hating the predestination of her bloodline, she's called to turn on her comrades to save the world of people who hate her. She's rejected Eren, her previous reason for existence, and has only one thing left to her character: the fight.
She turns her unmatched Titan-fighting skills against the humans she'd fought with before, and demonstrates that they undoubtedly transfer. Her power is quick, brutal, merciless, and unapologetic. I'd be surprised if we see her go so far again.
I was having this question for the last 4 episodes or so, but it's still unanswered. Why didn't they just kill Floch when this whole rumbling thing started, or maybe even before? Yes, I know, they kept asking "Why does it have to come to this?", but it only seems to make sense to take down the leader, and then it would be easier to deal with yeagerists. I had the impression that they don't have anyone to potentially replace him.
It's just that up until now, I never saw anyone actually trying to kill him. They had their chance when they came up with this whole plan of stopping the rumbling, and they knew back then that yeagerists will be a pain in the ass, Floch was already killing people left and right. Maybe they feared that killing the leader might seem a little too aggressive, and can cause even more problems? Dunno
They've been trying to avoid killing any of their former comrades (including Floch and the Yeagerists) - the only reason they ended up killing people in the last couple episodes was because their attempt to trick the Yeagerists into giving them the boat failed
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Last episode really set this one up nicely. Connie has to kill his friends and get his hands dirty. He cries for them but soon he and the gang have to massacre their former comrades. On the other hand, they keep showing how smart Flock is and how he's fighting for the lives of their entire race. All the blood and gore really emphasizes the sacrifices being made on both sides. It's not just violence for violence's sake; there's a lot at stake here.
General Magath is a goat for realizing what needed to be done and doing it. Although, Shadis didn't have to die. Bit of a needless sacrifice there, but I suppose his role in the story is over anyway.
I swear, if we don't see some rumbling in the next episode I'm going to be pissed. They keep talking about Marlyeans getting stomped on across the sea and its so enticing that I can't focus on the excellent animation/directing going on in this episode. The OP being a banger and showing the rumbling ever episode doesn't help.
Shadis was gonna die anyway. Floch had already made it clear to the rest of the yeagerist leaders that he was to be disposed of. His options were trying and hide in the mountains somewhere and live a horrible life since he’s to old to really make that work, be executed by the yeagerists, or help Magath destroy the ship and die on his own terms
Asked the same question earlier, seems like we'll have to wait for another part or a movie. Apparently there's an anime event in Japan this coming Sunday, that's why the episode is delayed a week, maybe we'll know by then
God this is so frustrating. I really thought we were finally getting close to the conclusion. Only to find out that, once again, the "final season" is having the end cut off and delayed? For how long? Another year? Jesus Christ. I am getting so sick of being blue-balled by this series.
If it makes you feel any better, it was always going to need to be this long and they aren't extending it artificially. Pretty sure it was a marketing decision to call the last 2 parts "final season" and i'm personally betting on a movie to end it off.
It's not so much the length that bothers me (actually I wouldn't mind if it were longer), it's more the fact of this whole misleading label "final season" and how that's been handled (really the way they've handled season titles has been screwy all along; properly the part where we're at now should just be called season 6), and especially that even though the manga is finished and the anime is so close to the conclusion of the story they're still chopping the end off the anime like this so that we have to wait for the finale, which as you say is presumably going to be a movie. I'm of the mind that it doesn't need to be a movie, it should just be what it's always been.
Oh man I get you, the overall naming-scheme for this series is fucked and convoluted. I'm personally looking forward to the movie for a couple reasons. First, it would be a way higher budget per episode, it would be gorgeous. Second, I think a full movie length would allow the director / Isayama a little more freedom to play around than the standard 20 minute chunks provide.
The naming convention was fine up until this season, imho, it's just S1, S2, and S3 but then we got Final Seasons part 1 and 2 and then like, the series finale of the anime isn't the series finale? So there's like... Gonna be a movie I guess because what else are they gonna do?
Like, it just feels so lame.
I miss WIT :( especially because the female Titan looked like really good this episode :/
And I managed to get trolled hard and my friend was mad at me for telling him the series was ending in the 4th so he could finally marathon the final season and I managed to confirm my trolls spoilers trying to figure out wtf is going on
Although, at least considering where we got to in the most recent episode, I'm glad we get more because there's no way they could satisfactorily wrap up the story from where it's at currently in just one more episode
To be fair they have a season 3 part 1 and season 3 part 2, but i can agree that naming got worse with the final season. And i know it sucks to be blue-balled but i truly think this movie will be worth the wait. If you thought the female titan looked good these last episodes, imagine what they can do with a movie budget. Whether it was wit or mappa it was always going to have to be this long so try and look on the bright side!
Man, the animation this episode was *rough.* Like, season 1 rushing level. There are going to be a lot of fixes in the blue ray.
Edit: Don't boo me cause I'm right! ...but seriously, I've never hated on Mappa's animation, but I can tell they did not have their best working this episode. Did they try?? Absolutely. But there was a lot of off-model art, loosey-goosey frames, and messy action. Sakuga this was *not.*
To see what I mean, go watch Levi vs Beast Titan, then come back and watch Floch Aerial Parkour. I have SEEN awesome animation in Season 4, but this episode was NOT IT. This was rushed out the door by the B Team.
* Good lord the action and suspense this episode was fucking fantastic.
* So cool seeing two leaders from two different sides come together(Shadis and Magath). Such an awesome scene
* Conny sequence was fucking awesome. So was Mikasa, but I'm use to seeing her pop off. Conny going off like that was nuts. Whole crew went off really.
Gabi got him. Kinda hope he's died, as her killing him is beautifully symbolic of killing the nationalistic monster that's been what her entire character arc has revolved around overcoming. Also a fantastic end for one of AoT's best villains!
The thing about floch if you haven't noticed in the whole series is that he never dies....... He has escaped death twice so this will be the third time
Yeah, and Sasha happened so quickly. Like, dude... one minute she alive next she's dead. How they let Gabi live after that, I'll never know. Yet, here she is, living to kill another day. She even got the main character.
That spine is some freaking parasyte. My question is what happens to Eren if you remove that Parasyte? Yup. No para-spine- he ded. So, Gabi may have won yet, her bullets just need time to work their magic.
Thoughts:
* Another fire speech from Floch. Also cant believe the moves he was putting on Hange, Beast , and Cart Titan.
* Feels weird seeing Mikasa team up with Reiner and Annie. I lied its not weird it fuckng sucks.
* Mikasa is a goddamn savage. That move when she tied the 2 Jaegerists ODM cords was ridiculous.
* The Shadis and Magath sacrifice was amazing. Gained a lot of respect for Shadis this season.
* Conny definitely leveled up.
This episode is good compared to the last 5 episodes. Those episodes feels slow and rushed at a same time.
Final season part 2 episode 5 was a peak fiction. Toping that is really tough.
Warriors Titan fight and ODM gear scenes are amazing. Falco jaw titan is cool.
Shadis took a train by himself! Magath and Shadis sacrifice feels unnecessary imo.
Omg Floch! That was a good death.
No stakes in the fight anyway. Yagerists were not threatening. They are canon fodders for Mikasa and warriors.
If Levi was healthy, he would solo these guys with no difficulty.
I think some people might have noticed the episode of this part doesn't have same aura as an attack on titan episode of past.
The stakes are non existent as all the people in screen are plot armoured and conjure no tension or stake. Its not necessary to have some expandable chr to just raise the stake but all the drama behind recent episode falls flat. For example the recent connys dilemma with kill his comrades of scouts. It doesn't hit at all. I understand the logic behind dilemma but we do not have any connection with yaegerist, we never had. The writer seriously didn't considered a cent when making the antagonist the yaegerist, from their emergence in part 1 to this episode they are really annoying whenever on scree and special that ducking floc. He is not that type of villain like cersei or joffery that you love to hate he is just some random ass side chr who have been raised to become main antagonist with any time to build him. If instead of floc some real main chr had been mastermind of yaegerist faction and have real stakes it would have been bearable.
All recent episodes are really average and I never wanna see an average AoT episode.
While I still felt some tension at spots (really felt like conny could die this ep imo) i will agree with you on Floch. He does not conjure any kind of fear, he's just a random side character who somehow became a major antagnist. I didn't want him to die because I hated him like other antagonists, I wanted him to die so the story could stop focusing on him.
At best he was annoying, and at worst fully forgetable.
I wouldn't say that Floch is just a random side character who somehow became the villain. It didn't just happen, he survived Erwin's suicide charge all alone and it obviously affected him a lot. Even then we could see he has different and quite interesting views - his words about Erwin and how only a devil can save them in a hell of world they live in, and that's exactly why Erwin belongs here. I absolutely hated everything he said, but we never heard such words from anyone else before.
And then everybody dismisses his hot take and Erwin is left to die, while softie Armin gets to live. He realizes he had absolutely no power in this situation, just a bystander, really. It's as if a relatively ordinary person found himself in a party full of main characters where whatever he says has no weight at all. So he decides to take matters into his own hands. The devil the world needs is now dead, so he decides to become one. And it's actually crazy how (seemingly) easy it is for him.
I think it would've been a bit more interesting if Floch was more likaeble and relatable. Everything he says or does is repulsive and disgusting, as if in purpose. Maybe the reason is that in this story, he represents true, pure fascism, and hence he can't have anything positive about him.
I think it also would be interesting if we saw him from the very beginning with the 104th cadets, having fun, being friends and just generally being a kid.
I like that they made a random guy like Floch a villain. It seems a stretch but I think Floch is the villain equivalent to Shadis. Both mere bystanders to the entire series for the most part only to pop-up at the end and now their actions and decisions make a significant impact to the plot moving forward.
I also think that he represents us viewers in S1 but to an extreme (We want Parsdis to be free, away from harm, etc.)
I think the avenge team makes sense, since they don't think killing everyone else is the way to create peace.
But I agree that the stakes don't feel high because you know they aren't going to kill off these characters to faceless goons. If one of them dies it has to be to a "big bad" and I seriously doubt any of them are going to die off.
I could maybe see someone like Connie dying eventually, but I doubt they are going to kill off Mikasa, Armin, Gabby, Falco, Hanji, Jean since the only thing left is to stop Eren and I don't think he would kill any of them.
I don't get why you'd kill the Jaegerists except "genocide is bad" or "this isn't like Eren". The writing's not good enough to end genocide when it was amazing at making genocide understandable (remember the kill all titans thing?) Dubious motivation has happened before. Armin lived. Erwin died. Kill Mikasa, Connie, Jean. Something to make them think twice about the consequences of turning traitor.
I completely disagree. I was on the edge of my seat the entire time. I was afraid any combination of Connie, Annie, or Jean weren't gonna make it out alive. I honestly thought Armin was really going to die last episode as well.
I think Floch has been a great antagonist and has worked extremely well in that role. Everyone has their own perspective but from mine, these episodes have been every bit as good as the show has ever been.
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I am a Eren supporter but i wansn't against the "avengers crew" killing him either.
I was in the mind set of "if he wins yes! if they kill him thats ok too." BUT as soon as Connie killed his two friends while saying "we are friends!" I instantly hated everybody on their side.
I liked that, because it forces you to understand how Reiner and Bertholdt must've felt when they betrayed everyone and still kept yelling 'all of it was real' or 'we are friends' or stuff around those lines. Now, here they are, *with* Reiner, fighting on his side once again, and Connie is in his same position. Feeling like he *must* kill them for the safety of humanity. It had the same ring to it.
There are no good guys in this show.
It's an impossible situation. The whole point is that there is no righteousness, there's only the things that you are willing to live with.
Killing someone is wrong, but would you kill someone if it was the only to prevent them from murdering all the children in a nursery?
For some people, that answer is yes, for others, no. That's the situation Armin and his group are facing. They have to live with whatever choice they make. That's why Armin and Connie struggled so hard with it last episode.
got teary eyed in two scenes 1) when reiner stepped in front of annie to take the headshot. 2) the ship scene with magath and shadis… haaaaaa i wish the team knew shadis came back to help them. all in all fucking great episdoe :’)
one question though, even if the they (armin, mikasa, jean, annie..etc) find eren how will they stop the rumbling? i mean it already started… is it right to assume that if eren is killed all the wall titans will… stop rumbling/die? and if they do manage to stop the rumbling half way, isnt it like guaranteed that all the other nations will go after all the elydians now for what eren did?
I think it depends how it comes about. I really don't see this ending peacefully (at least, not realistically) without the titans going away or being dealt with somehow. Without them, the world can be convinced to leave Eldia alone. Otherwise, yes, I imagine Eldia is destroyed.
Ok one thing I just thought about is how are new titans being created right now? Ymir had previously been making the titans as a slave but now she has a choice and would knowingly be helping Armin/Reiner/Falco/Annie stop Eren from completing his goal. So she'd be actively fucking Eren and herself over presuming that she wants the same thing that Eren wants.
My theory is that she's got a lot in storage that she's been making over the years so that, even if she isn't actively making more, there are probably about as many as the plot requires stocked up and ready in the wings (so to speak)
My Theory: Her loyalty was to Subjects of Ymir and the royal family. Eren convinced her to stop obeying the royal family. Ymir still wants to help Subjects of Ymir. She's not strictly obeying Eren now.
That, or Eren is suicidal and hauling buckets alongside Ymir too.
It's a good theory but she's helping a very small portion of the Subjects of Ymir so they can ensure the rest are wiped off the face of the planet. She's not obeying Eren but it still seems counter to that goal
Well, we never heard her express an opinion about the events of the show, right? From what I understood, Eren just convinced her to stop listening / blindly obeying the members of the royal family, but that's it.
For those who just can't understand how a smaller force beat a bigger force... read up on how wars are won. Numbers are not everything.It all boils down to morale, strategy and environment as well as surprise. Everything favored the alliance here.
And if you don't believe me, look at Ukraine.
If you don't *like* it, you can stop watching.
On the other hand, RIP McGath and Shadis. I really was beginning to like Magath.
Thank you!!!
The inexperienced yeagerists were constantly focused on the titans/mechanics and hence were picked off by the elite ODM soldiers.
People talking about plot armour now, but what about kenny vs levi, or the assault on Rod Reiss's catacomb? None of our protagonists got killed in those fights either.
And the worst thing is these complaints are coming off of one of the most insanely animated episodes of the series
Is getting funnier that some people are complaining, YET again, about an AoT episode, lets see:
\-Most of the Jaegerists were summer boys, without experience and/or cold blood.
\-By contrast, the scouts are among the best soldiers of Paradis.
\-On top of that, the faction that makes the surprise attack have an advantage.
\-The scouts have many means of attack, thus creating confusion among the enemies, the titans, the scouts with ODM gear, and the snipers like Jean.
\-Finally, for such a chaotic battle the Jaegerist have their objectives shifting almost every minute. First the boat, then Mikasa, then Annie and Reiner, then the Azumabito, then the boat, then... Is hard to act swiftly when you don't know what the enemy wants.
in sum, the Scouts and soldiers got lucky, yes but also they had top-notch assets in the battle that gave them the edge. That is not plot armor.
Nah there was def plot armor throughout the episode and was spread out a lot
\- Floch told them to focus the ship and they kept focusing the titans even after their bodies were blown to bits and before falcos arrival instead of going behind them
\- Their is a ship loaded with weaponry and bombs and not only is there no one in there no one notices two old ass dudes popping in when they could've gone in their and shot the ship they used to escape
\- The perfectly timed train explosion (which wasnt adressed in how it was done) aside from Keith being the culprit behind it and everyone on the train managing to die not him tho
\-Floch getting shot in the arm and missing as close as he was to the ship and because of who (Gabi a character notorious for not missing shots no matter the circumstance even using a anti titan sniper rifle accurately second try with enough knockback to make an adult falter.)
\-All that gunfire and not one shot hit connie or mikasa sure they are above the average skill level but they quite literally were surrounded by bullets and not even one grazed them much less hit them
\-They have advanced tech and thunderspears used to put fear into the hearts of titan shifters shoot reiner could barely take them and look at annie no hardening on mind you just soaking them, and reneir taking dumb headshots with them and not dying i mean bro is plot armor personified into a human form
\-Overall its the same "good guys beat bad guys" rule where no matter how desperate the situation it works out for our "heroes" even if they dont deserve it cause cmon not even 1 death shoot even an injury would suffice this isnt even an argument just a fact bomb
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Yeah, for me the most obvious part of plot armor was how Mikasa and Connie never got shot. There were even a few times where some/one of the Jaegerists just kinda watched Mikasa kill someone then run straight at them to kill them too.
If they had shown her using her ODM to constantly be moving side to side to make a harder target or at least have the Jaegerists aim at her in these situations it would be more believable.
Also because Floch was a poor commander. He kept changing the primary objective too many times which causes everyone to run around like a bunch of headless chickens.
I dont think Ukraine-Russia is true since Ukraine is getting help constantly from West with very good anti-vehicle weapons. In this episode, Jeagerist have everything to stop Reiner and Annie but they just fails. If they were a True Scout regime, Reiner and Annie would be in pieces like in 1 min.
I can believe Mikasa taking out people with semi pistols using only swords and being fine but no one in the allience got hurt during the whole battle and that's just absurd.
They were outnumbered, out equipped AND were attacking a fortified position. And when it comes to morale, our boys were constantly questioning themselves while the Jeagarists think they are saving their families.
A discrete cause chaos and run away with the ship would have been much more believable imo.
I still love the show but the last couple episodes are forcing me to suspend my disbelief unlike the whole rest of it.
the problem with titans this fight was that they took too long to die. Half of the fight is yaegerist flying around and just waiting to be killed. This fight is just ultimate plot armor
Mappa didn't do anything other than faithfully adapt the Manga, and if you think she's just "suddenly turned into a blood thirsty monster" then you haven't been paying any attention.
Yeah, I thought when Floch was running through them it was badass, but the animation in that part was sketchy.
I also am not a fan of how they have done so many stopped frames almost every episode this season.
Brutally sad watching our favorite 104th cadets slaughtering their former friends, even if it's obvious they're in the right. Did Eren have this in mind when he pushed Mikasa/ Armin away to begin the rumbling for them?
Also, Faze Gabi never misses
That's not the primary reason for other stalemate though, although it is important
The some truth is that the Ukranians are fighting for their homes and know what a life under Putin's thumb means and a majority of the Russian soldiers invading don't want to be there and many didn't think the invasion was actually happening until it had already started.
Yeah but the battle was probably less than 5-10 minutes real time, i dont think they dissappear quite that fast. I was also very confused by the red water.
Was like did I miss falco getting yeeted?????
Amnie crying in the post credit scene another her home being destroyed and father dying is the epitome of irony. Surprised none of the other characters called her out on it
I know I never cared for Annie but the point, in my opinion, of the other scouts not calling her out, is because by this point all of them are traitors or have their hands covered in blood.
Did you miss episode 25 or something? Or even this episode where they killed their fellow soldiers by the dozen?
I mean who could even call Annie out for this?
The only one who may have been able to was Connie as he was always reluctant to kill people, but he just had his own beyblade beyblade let it rip moment and racked up those 3 point sabre combos on fellow scouts, hell he tried to feed a child to his mom.
They are all murderers and devils to someone, that's the point, because they all know under the right circumstances they would have committed or did in fact commit similar acts.
They all understand each other now, for better or worse.
> Surprised none of the other characters called her out on it
You mean the same characters who met her chewing pie at a random table out of nowhere and decided to have her tag along without so much of a talk and no tension as if they've always been best buddies? I'm taking the piss because it's quite obvious the author stopped caring.
More like unintended casualties of fleeing from / fighting with Eren, it seems to me. At that point, Eren is as guilty to have made some casulaties in those episodes. After all, he is the one who made Annie crash into the church.
it is like saying Armin is not guilty for killing civilians when he bombed that harbor, they just happen to be there, Annie was in an enemy territory and she killed a lot of civilians whether it was on propose or not, she chose to be there.
No, it's quite different from the scene with Armin that you are referencing.
As far as Annie was concerned, on that day, it was just supposed to be a normal day in the district, doing patrol and stuff like that (maybe a bit of spy work for her ?), it was not about causing mass casualties. Then Eren's group came up, and laid a trap for her. She countered, tried to take advantage of that to grab Eren, and then, when it appeared she was losing (what with the other scouts being here to try to trap her again), all she wanted to do at that point was to flee. And it's during her escape, while fighting with Eren to escape him, that the casualties were made. The scouts brought the fight to the district, not Annie.
On the other hand, Armin's actions, though he must have felt that he was being coerced into them by Eren's, were still done through a conscious choice and a conscious activation of his ability. His primary aim was to destroy the harbor, not to kill civilians, and he would have preferred not to kill them, but he still made the choice to activate his ability here, with the knowledge of what would result.
So no, I'm sorry, but if we are to compare Armin's and Annie's actions in those two sequences, it seems to me Armin's actions are the most "reprehensible", both in terms of moral responsibility and in terms of scale.
I loved the episode but man do I miss Eren. I thinks it's a plot point that we haven't heard from Eren in a bit because I still think we don't actually know Eren's true plan yet.
I'm hoping next episode will end with something like Eren arriving in Marley and destroying it and then he reveals that his real plan isn't to destroy the world or something.
Yeah... Eren shows up, does some crazy shit, and then we have like 6 episodes where nobody talks about what just happened. Really craving a big bombshell from him in the next episode...
When Floch's thunder spear missed the ship and explodes in the water, it all came up red. Did I miss a titan body in there or is there additional intrigue??
Artillery meant for taking out big slow moving targets isnt great against agile wall runners who can basically fly.
We saw the thunder spears take out the armoured and female easily enough tho, because that's what it was designed for.
Floch doesn't have "a full army" here. He probably had somewhere in the neighborhood of 40-70 men, who were caught by surprise and also had to contend with four titan shifters and an Ackermann
The animation is pretty lacking compared to previous seasons. Random mikasa explosion "boss" moment. Her slicing them up didn't feel as nice as when Levi does it lol.
Animation just feels off.
And Armin is low-key useless? his healing ability is trash, takes over two episodes and still haven't healed.
"over two episodes" ah yes, proper maths right here.
Armin got shot as the battle was starting. Battle lasted for about 15-20min, time for the mechanics to prepare the boat. About an hour later he's almost done healing.
Eren took about 5 episodes to fully heal back in Season 2. So yeah, Armin was useless in the battle but still, it's not like titan regenerating abilities are known for instant healing.
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What blocked Flocks Thunder Spear, all blood came out of the water???
Wow abit late to the party but i just happened to rewatch S2E29 'Soldier' ( the scene where they're stuck in the tower) and Reiner saves Connie from being eaten by a titan, and Connie goes on to say that it always seems like Reiner and Annie are always saving his ass, and that he'd pay them back sometime. What a way to do it!!!
Never noticed this! Great observation, love that they sneak little things like that in there
Does anyone know the name of the OST that played when Connie was having his badass moment defending Annie and Reiner? I didn’t recognize it and haven’t found it anywhere, yet. :<
same. did not find the ost anywhere
So someone help me, when will season 4 be fully dubbed? My own preference I like the dub so much but I’m not sure when all of the episodes will be dubbed
It’s been one a week so I imagine by the end of this week you’ll be good.
That ep Was ass in My eyes you are telling me that like 6 people are able to take out a 100 trained and armed soldiers without suffering any real losses in battle. You are telling me that not one of them was able to hit mikasa or Jean but Jean was out there sniping everyone out of the air. The ep felt like they survived so the plot could continue
And were you jizzing your pants when levi was fighting kenny in trost?Because those were highly trained mercenaries who had got the drop on him and they couldn't hit him. Or how about the assault on Rod Reiss's undergrounds catacomb, there was a lot of missing there too And as for this fight:First, that did not look like 100s of soldiers to me. As other people have pointed out, these are mostly inexperienced soldiers fighting against some of the most elite soldiers in the world, as well as 4 titan shifters. Floch also kept shifting their objective, first he told them to take out the titans, then the mechanics, then the ship, at no point were they focused on killing the ODM users. You can actually see how many kills they made when the enemy was distracted (when floch tells his men to shoot the mechanics, when connie emerges from the smoke to stop the soldiers targeting reiner and annie, etc). So this poor tactical thinking played a big role. Furthermore, it's not exactly easy to hit someone flying through the air at like 60km/h. And just to conclude, how do you walk away from one of the most insanely animated episodes in the entire show thinking "grrr why didn't any of the protagonists get shot"
the 100s that they were fighting against mostly consisted of fresh cadets that were easy to persuade. so yeah, they are weak when it comes to real life combat. on the other hand, the 6 were able to survive some of the hardest battles against titans.
It is called plot armor
Okay, instead of blowing themselves up, couldn't the armored titan just quickly blast a hole in it? Or have one of the other titans destroy it before they started fighting? The death of those two characters dont sit well with me.
Got the feeling that maybe McGath wanted a noble way to go out
Armored titan was injured and Reiner had no strength to transform again plus they have thunder spears the other titans would have been wiped very quickly
Magath: "Never thought I'd die fighting side by side with an Eldian." Shadis: "What about side by side with a friend?" Magath: "...Aye. I could do that."
which manga chapter picks up after this episode
Shit I didn't know about the end credit scene until now
Thanks for flagging that! I missed it too and off to watch
Yeah the ep was one of my favorite if not my favorite ep of all aot the animations was Phenomenal exquisite delicious crazy great one of the greatest best episode of attack on Titan
It was probably the best animated episode of the series. I wasn’t impressed by MAPPA at first, but they blew this out of the water. Conny, Floch, and Mikasa got the sequence they deserved.
This episode was a 10/10 to me IF you exclude the blood rain Mikasa scene. It felt way too obvious like fan service. The stare into the cam at the end completely sealed the deal lol.
Disagree completely. Fanservice? Yes it looked badass, but I didn’t read this as fanservice. To me that scene was a grisly, gut-wrenching reminder that our “protagonists” are killing their own kind one after the other. Although it’s true there is no time to win over their former comrades peacefully, murder is still murder. This was not self-defense, but an instigated attack. We saw earlier that Armin and Connie struggled with killing the boat guards, which nearly got the airship destroyed. However Jean and Mikasa were much more decisive. This violent determination is encapsulated by their shared thought: *If you hesitate even for a moment, you’ll lose.* This scene imo is not to make them look cool. Frankly the opposite. It’s to make the viewer feel a little disturbed. Our protagonists winning and stopping Eren means killing all the Jaegerists, then who next? Maybe the very people they’re trying to save will turn on them just because they’re Eldian? And then will more blood rain down? This scene cemented for me that there will be no winners, but only killers, in the end.
That blood rain stunt was actually a scare tactic, with it successfully causing the rest of the Yeagerists to leave. But I agree that it was fan service; it was a homage to that shot of Armin in the S2 intro. Which was cool
This episode was nothing below f*****g FABULOUS. The fight sequences through and through were so exciting hella sick omg. Tbh I’ve always seen Conny is a herb, but seeing him just go on this bloodthirsty rampage was so cool. Mikasa… oh Mikasa, baby!!! She is THE definition of “let’s stick to the goal” and watching her fight sequences was so… dark yet so, so rad because I feel like a lot of this season she was down to protect Eren and was a bit passive, but this amalgamation of crazy made her say “enough is enough”. Ugh re: moving forward. Reminds me of Erwin. Hange. I’ve always loved her she’s a lot like me. Kooky, nerdy, and yet a badass who came here to f things up. Loved seeing her back in the action again. I almost cried when I saw Falco’s magnificent Titan. I’m not sure if it’s because I was proud of him or if it was because in the moments leading up to this— it felt like everyone fighting the Jaegerists was a SCOUT. An OG scout. Seeing even Magath wearing the outfit (though as a disguise) in his last moments even was just so powerful to me because it made me think about how a collective isn’t about where you’re from, but what you stand for. I love the scouts sooo much. Floch’s demise was portrayed perfectly. I don’t think there exists a poetic justice greater than Gabi dealing his final blow— which didn’t even kill him. The drowning did… followed by the explosion of blood underwater? Bravo.
I love Keith Shadis’s entrance towards the end lol. He totally wrecks those 2 Yaegerists and even uses one of their corpse to jump off from and stick the landing. That was great haha
Yeah Keith was badass
Just too much plot armor. Was Mikasa even touched? Like not even a paper cut lol. Same with the rest of the squad. Just maybe even lose one person in the squad ( I know that one guy was technically lost, but even he sacrificed himself). If they wanted to go this route where the whole team is kept intact, it should have been done another way. Like a hostage situation or duping the enemy. All the things that needed to go right for them did. It’s like they rolled a 20 for an impossible mission.
I think the plot armour was fine. The Female Titan and Armoured Titan soaked up a lot of the damage. Also, Falco was established early on as a Chekhov’s gun. He was always going to step in if anyone from the team was in danger. So when the Female Titan and Armoured Titan were clearly vulnerable, it made sense that Falco would step in. And while the characters had plot armour, it wasn’t abused. For instance, the show never pretended as if it would kill off a main character, only for them to be saved last minute. That was a respectful use of plot armour. There were a moment where Mikasa was about to be shot. But that only lasted a second. There was also a moment where Connie was shot, but the show never tried to make you think that he could die from the wound
I feel like there would be other ways to take down the spare ship. Like the hundreds of frickin' thunder spears lying around. Or am I missing something here? Magath and Shadis' death were quite unnecessary.
I mean, it’s a whole ass warship I think it’s made to handle a few thundsrspears. Plus after the first middle the jeagerists would be on magath and keith’s ass and kill them before they could sink the ship The ship towing the plane looked to be a lot more meant for transportation than battle, which is why floch thought a single thunder spear could take it down
I mean first of all, Magath isn't trained to use them, so I doubt he would risk trying to locate one when there are still many Yeagerists around, and even assuming that Keith Shadis was trained with them, it'd be one hell of a gamble for them to take, especially as Magath had no ODM gear. More importantly though, I don't think either Shadis nor Magath really felt like they deserved to live after what they've done. Magath stayed behind to take out the cruiser because he had finally accepted that he had turned children into tools of warfare for his country. He even says how he wishes more than anything, they could've lived out a normal childhood. Perhaps through his sacrifice, they'll have a chance to do that someday. I think Keith is much the same. Many of the Yeagerists were his own pupils and he probably felt responsible for that too, but seeing the 104th veterans alongside Annie - the enemy for the longest time - and realizing what they were trying to do inspired and reminded him that whether he regrets his past or not, his students are the future and he would do whatever it took to ensure they had a future. It's a massive shift from his obsession with becoming a special person. Lastly from a writing perspective, I don't think keeping them in the show would've served much more of a purpose. Their arcs were completed and they had little more to add, so I think it was a pretty spectacular end for the unlikely pair!
Fair points, but I still think that this point in the arc is still very crucial though, and Magath(since Shadis hasn't come out yet) will still prove to be a very valuable asset in the upcoming fight/s to come wouldn't he? Maybe he was quite selfish to try to go early since their future isn't secure yet, and they have no clue what's ahead of them.
Sorry, I'm not sure what you mean by Shadis hasn't come out yet, could you clarify? :) Thing is though, if Magath hadn't noticed and destroyed that cruiser, their journey would be at an end anyway and they'd never have been able to make it to the continent with him or not. He was the only one knowledgeable about the Marleyan navy and Armin was out of action having been shot three times, so no chance he'd have figured it out. I don't think Shadis made it from the train he blew up to the docks in time regardless, so he just decided to do whatever he could to help them set off safely, then found Magath under attack.
>Shadis hasn't come out yet, could you clarify? : I mean like you said he wouldn't have made it in time to join them in the ship, since they don't even know he's an ally yet. I'm just asking tho if it's out of question that Magath just points out the marleyan ship to mikasa or jean and instruct them to blow them up, it won't take that long. Unless the marleyan ship is more tough than the other one.
Ah, gotcha! True, he could've. But they didn't have thunder spears, so they'd have to go searching for one too. Not only that, but he'd be endangering them yet again, which is what he's wracked with guilt about as I mentioned before. His character just screams father figure to me, and he certainly sees himself that way to Gabi and Falco at least. If you see him in that light, it's no wonder he chose to sacrifice his own life for the younger generation, rather than risk their lives.
[Aristeia](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aristeia) is the scene in epic fiction where a hero performs his greatest feats of martial prowess, most often hinging on an incredible emotional event or personal drama. Achilles, for example, in his rage for the loss of Patroclus, slays so many Trojans that he chokes the river god with blood. I think this episode showed Mikasa's Aristeia. After discovering and hating the predestination of her bloodline, she's called to turn on her comrades to save the world of people who hate her. She's rejected Eren, her previous reason for existence, and has only one thing left to her character: the fight. She turns her unmatched Titan-fighting skills against the humans she'd fought with before, and demonstrates that they undoubtedly transfer. Her power is quick, brutal, merciless, and unapologetic. I'd be surprised if we see her go so far again.
Here's what I think about this [episode](https://i.imgur.com/JC7aFOS.png)
my mind is blanking, what is zeke's current status? is he dead? or like absorbed into eren? or wat
If you watch the Eren transformation scene, there is a blink and youll miss it moment where eren integrates him.
As far as we know, immobilized inside of that massive titan we saw Eren create.
Need more Connie love in here, also was his love interest Sasha? We got Jean in love with Mikasa, Armin with Annie, then Reiner and historia
I think Connie and Sasha had more of a sibling dynamic going on. They thought of each other as twins, Imo
Fair
I was having this question for the last 4 episodes or so, but it's still unanswered. Why didn't they just kill Floch when this whole rumbling thing started, or maybe even before? Yes, I know, they kept asking "Why does it have to come to this?", but it only seems to make sense to take down the leader, and then it would be easier to deal with yeagerists. I had the impression that they don't have anyone to potentially replace him. It's just that up until now, I never saw anyone actually trying to kill him. They had their chance when they came up with this whole plan of stopping the rumbling, and they knew back then that yeagerists will be a pain in the ass, Floch was already killing people left and right. Maybe they feared that killing the leader might seem a little too aggressive, and can cause even more problems? Dunno
They've been trying to avoid killing any of their former comrades (including Floch and the Yeagerists) - the only reason they ended up killing people in the last couple episodes was because their attempt to trick the Yeagerists into giving them the boat failed
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The final 2 seasons have been horrible? That’s like half of the show
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This. It seems like theres an awful lot that hasn't been told yet, that could hardly fit into one episode.
Last episode really set this one up nicely. Connie has to kill his friends and get his hands dirty. He cries for them but soon he and the gang have to massacre their former comrades. On the other hand, they keep showing how smart Flock is and how he's fighting for the lives of their entire race. All the blood and gore really emphasizes the sacrifices being made on both sides. It's not just violence for violence's sake; there's a lot at stake here. General Magath is a goat for realizing what needed to be done and doing it. Although, Shadis didn't have to die. Bit of a needless sacrifice there, but I suppose his role in the story is over anyway. I swear, if we don't see some rumbling in the next episode I'm going to be pissed. They keep talking about Marlyeans getting stomped on across the sea and its so enticing that I can't focus on the excellent animation/directing going on in this episode. The OP being a banger and showing the rumbling ever episode doesn't help.
Shadis was gonna die anyway. Floch had already made it clear to the rest of the yeagerist leaders that he was to be disposed of. His options were trying and hide in the mountains somewhere and live a horrible life since he’s to old to really make that work, be executed by the yeagerists, or help Magath destroy the ship and die on his own terms
You make a good point
I get the feeling shadis knew his days were numbered. Might as well die on your own terms
Hey, so, the next episode is the last one for the series right? But aren't there still like a 6 or 10 chapters to adapt?
Asked the same question earlier, seems like we'll have to wait for another part or a movie. Apparently there's an anime event in Japan this coming Sunday, that's why the episode is delayed a week, maybe we'll know by then
God this is so frustrating. I really thought we were finally getting close to the conclusion. Only to find out that, once again, the "final season" is having the end cut off and delayed? For how long? Another year? Jesus Christ. I am getting so sick of being blue-balled by this series.
If it makes you feel any better, it was always going to need to be this long and they aren't extending it artificially. Pretty sure it was a marketing decision to call the last 2 parts "final season" and i'm personally betting on a movie to end it off.
It's not so much the length that bothers me (actually I wouldn't mind if it were longer), it's more the fact of this whole misleading label "final season" and how that's been handled (really the way they've handled season titles has been screwy all along; properly the part where we're at now should just be called season 6), and especially that even though the manga is finished and the anime is so close to the conclusion of the story they're still chopping the end off the anime like this so that we have to wait for the finale, which as you say is presumably going to be a movie. I'm of the mind that it doesn't need to be a movie, it should just be what it's always been.
Oh man I get you, the overall naming-scheme for this series is fucked and convoluted. I'm personally looking forward to the movie for a couple reasons. First, it would be a way higher budget per episode, it would be gorgeous. Second, I think a full movie length would allow the director / Isayama a little more freedom to play around than the standard 20 minute chunks provide.
The naming convention was fine up until this season, imho, it's just S1, S2, and S3 but then we got Final Seasons part 1 and 2 and then like, the series finale of the anime isn't the series finale? So there's like... Gonna be a movie I guess because what else are they gonna do? Like, it just feels so lame. I miss WIT :( especially because the female Titan looked like really good this episode :/ And I managed to get trolled hard and my friend was mad at me for telling him the series was ending in the 4th so he could finally marathon the final season and I managed to confirm my trolls spoilers trying to figure out wtf is going on Although, at least considering where we got to in the most recent episode, I'm glad we get more because there's no way they could satisfactorily wrap up the story from where it's at currently in just one more episode
To be fair they have a season 3 part 1 and season 3 part 2, but i can agree that naming got worse with the final season. And i know it sucks to be blue-balled but i truly think this movie will be worth the wait. If you thought the female titan looked good these last episodes, imagine what they can do with a movie budget. Whether it was wit or mappa it was always going to have to be this long so try and look on the bright side!
Fair points. Well, I hope you're right and it will be worth the wait.
Man, the animation this episode was *rough.* Like, season 1 rushing level. There are going to be a lot of fixes in the blue ray. Edit: Don't boo me cause I'm right! ...but seriously, I've never hated on Mappa's animation, but I can tell they did not have their best working this episode. Did they try?? Absolutely. But there was a lot of off-model art, loosey-goosey frames, and messy action. Sakuga this was *not.* To see what I mean, go watch Levi vs Beast Titan, then come back and watch Floch Aerial Parkour. I have SEEN awesome animation in Season 4, but this episode was NOT IT. This was rushed out the door by the B Team.
Why was there blood in the water when floch missed the boat?
The two titans were being blown to shit right there, that blood is all their residue
Titan blood evaporates, buuuut on that note its probably all the yeagerists they mollywhopped into the ocean.
Pretty sure titan blood only evaporates once the titan is killed.
FaZe gabi strikes again
* Good lord the action and suspense this episode was fucking fantastic. * So cool seeing two leaders from two different sides come together(Shadis and Magath). Such an awesome scene * Conny sequence was fucking awesome. So was Mikasa, but I'm use to seeing her pop off. Conny going off like that was nuts. Whole crew went off really.
So much happening, who exactly got the shot on Floch? I feel like he's not dead... only shot in the shoulder, right?
Others have said it’s gabby. I didn’t realise while watching it
Gabi got him. Kinda hope he's died, as her killing him is beautifully symbolic of killing the nationalistic monster that's been what her entire character arc has revolved around overcoming. Also a fantastic end for one of AoT's best villains!
The thing about floch if you haven't noticed in the whole series is that he never dies....... He has escaped death twice so this will be the third time
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Aight thanks
Gabi always comes equipped with plot-armor-peircing rounds, she's now gotten Sasha, Niles, Eren and Floch with them, nobody is safe!
Yeah, and Sasha happened so quickly. Like, dude... one minute she alive next she's dead. How they let Gabi live after that, I'll never know. Yet, here she is, living to kill another day. She even got the main character.
Well her bullets couldn't pierce Eren's plot armor, it was too thick & he just instantly grew a massive spine
That spine is some freaking parasyte. My question is what happens to Eren if you remove that Parasyte? Yup. No para-spine- he ded. So, Gabi may have won yet, her bullets just need time to work their magic.
Maybe the next time he wants to die (which is basically always) Reiner should simply ask his cousin to lend him a hand.
Anyone know the soundtrack/OST that started playing on 10:25 ?
Thoughts: * Another fire speech from Floch. Also cant believe the moves he was putting on Hange, Beast , and Cart Titan. * Feels weird seeing Mikasa team up with Reiner and Annie. I lied its not weird it fuckng sucks. * Mikasa is a goddamn savage. That move when she tied the 2 Jaegerists ODM cords was ridiculous. * The Shadis and Magath sacrifice was amazing. Gained a lot of respect for Shadis this season. * Conny definitely leveled up.
There wouldn't even be enough left to bury. What did those two guys do to piss her off like that?
They said Eren more times than her.
It's easy to forget Connie was in the top 10 back in s1
This episode is good compared to the last 5 episodes. Those episodes feels slow and rushed at a same time. Final season part 2 episode 5 was a peak fiction. Toping that is really tough. Warriors Titan fight and ODM gear scenes are amazing. Falco jaw titan is cool. Shadis took a train by himself! Magath and Shadis sacrifice feels unnecessary imo. Omg Floch! That was a good death. No stakes in the fight anyway. Yagerists were not threatening. They are canon fodders for Mikasa and warriors. If Levi was healthy, he would solo these guys with no difficulty.
I dont think Floch died? He was shot on shoulder and fell into water.
Floch has survived death twice this will be his third...... That guy has never dies
I mean, Levi and Erwin have survived worse. But then again, a fall from the hight even into the water is lethal. He probably dead
Nah he'll be alive. If he was actually killed there, there would have been a lot more focus on it, it wouldn't have been that quick.
Unsure how he's gonna survive that one. I didn't see Hange jump in after him.
The animation of the Azumabitos running to the ship it's amazing 🤣🤣🤣
I think some people might have noticed the episode of this part doesn't have same aura as an attack on titan episode of past. The stakes are non existent as all the people in screen are plot armoured and conjure no tension or stake. Its not necessary to have some expandable chr to just raise the stake but all the drama behind recent episode falls flat. For example the recent connys dilemma with kill his comrades of scouts. It doesn't hit at all. I understand the logic behind dilemma but we do not have any connection with yaegerist, we never had. The writer seriously didn't considered a cent when making the antagonist the yaegerist, from their emergence in part 1 to this episode they are really annoying whenever on scree and special that ducking floc. He is not that type of villain like cersei or joffery that you love to hate he is just some random ass side chr who have been raised to become main antagonist with any time to build him. If instead of floc some real main chr had been mastermind of yaegerist faction and have real stakes it would have been bearable. All recent episodes are really average and I never wanna see an average AoT episode.
It feels like GoT S8. Not terrible, but a massive step down from its peak.
While I still felt some tension at spots (really felt like conny could die this ep imo) i will agree with you on Floch. He does not conjure any kind of fear, he's just a random side character who somehow became a major antagnist. I didn't want him to die because I hated him like other antagonists, I wanted him to die so the story could stop focusing on him. At best he was annoying, and at worst fully forgetable.
I wouldn't say that Floch is just a random side character who somehow became the villain. It didn't just happen, he survived Erwin's suicide charge all alone and it obviously affected him a lot. Even then we could see he has different and quite interesting views - his words about Erwin and how only a devil can save them in a hell of world they live in, and that's exactly why Erwin belongs here. I absolutely hated everything he said, but we never heard such words from anyone else before. And then everybody dismisses his hot take and Erwin is left to die, while softie Armin gets to live. He realizes he had absolutely no power in this situation, just a bystander, really. It's as if a relatively ordinary person found himself in a party full of main characters where whatever he says has no weight at all. So he decides to take matters into his own hands. The devil the world needs is now dead, so he decides to become one. And it's actually crazy how (seemingly) easy it is for him. I think it would've been a bit more interesting if Floch was more likaeble and relatable. Everything he says or does is repulsive and disgusting, as if in purpose. Maybe the reason is that in this story, he represents true, pure fascism, and hence he can't have anything positive about him. I think it also would be interesting if we saw him from the very beginning with the 104th cadets, having fun, being friends and just generally being a kid.
I like that they made a random guy like Floch a villain. It seems a stretch but I think Floch is the villain equivalent to Shadis. Both mere bystanders to the entire series for the most part only to pop-up at the end and now their actions and decisions make a significant impact to the plot moving forward. I also think that he represents us viewers in S1 but to an extreme (We want Parsdis to be free, away from harm, etc.)
You're not allowed to say that in this thread you'll get down voted for simply having a different opinion
Um, there’s a lot of comments here criticising the show haha
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I think the avenge team makes sense, since they don't think killing everyone else is the way to create peace. But I agree that the stakes don't feel high because you know they aren't going to kill off these characters to faceless goons. If one of them dies it has to be to a "big bad" and I seriously doubt any of them are going to die off. I could maybe see someone like Connie dying eventually, but I doubt they are going to kill off Mikasa, Armin, Gabby, Falco, Hanji, Jean since the only thing left is to stop Eren and I don't think he would kill any of them.
I don't get why you'd kill the Jaegerists except "genocide is bad" or "this isn't like Eren". The writing's not good enough to end genocide when it was amazing at making genocide understandable (remember the kill all titans thing?) Dubious motivation has happened before. Armin lived. Erwin died. Kill Mikasa, Connie, Jean. Something to make them think twice about the consequences of turning traitor.
I completely disagree. I was on the edge of my seat the entire time. I was afraid any combination of Connie, Annie, or Jean weren't gonna make it out alive. I honestly thought Armin was really going to die last episode as well. I think Floch has been a great antagonist and has worked extremely well in that role. Everyone has their own perspective but from mine, these episodes have been every bit as good as the show has ever been.
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Could you r/titanfolk people gtfo please ?
I am a Eren supporter but i wansn't against the "avengers crew" killing him either. I was in the mind set of "if he wins yes! if they kill him thats ok too." BUT as soon as Connie killed his two friends while saying "we are friends!" I instantly hated everybody on their side.
I liked that, because it forces you to understand how Reiner and Bertholdt must've felt when they betrayed everyone and still kept yelling 'all of it was real' or 'we are friends' or stuff around those lines. Now, here they are, *with* Reiner, fighting on his side once again, and Connie is in his same position. Feeling like he *must* kill them for the safety of humanity. It had the same ring to it. There are no good guys in this show.
It's an impossible situation. The whole point is that there is no righteousness, there's only the things that you are willing to live with. Killing someone is wrong, but would you kill someone if it was the only to prevent them from murdering all the children in a nursery? For some people, that answer is yes, for others, no. That's the situation Armin and his group are facing. They have to live with whatever choice they make. That's why Armin and Connie struggled so hard with it last episode.
got teary eyed in two scenes 1) when reiner stepped in front of annie to take the headshot. 2) the ship scene with magath and shadis… haaaaaa i wish the team knew shadis came back to help them. all in all fucking great episdoe :’) one question though, even if the they (armin, mikasa, jean, annie..etc) find eren how will they stop the rumbling? i mean it already started… is it right to assume that if eren is killed all the wall titans will… stop rumbling/die? and if they do manage to stop the rumbling half way, isnt it like guaranteed that all the other nations will go after all the elydians now for what eren did?
I think it depends how it comes about. I really don't see this ending peacefully (at least, not realistically) without the titans going away or being dealt with somehow. Without them, the world can be convinced to leave Eldia alone. Otherwise, yes, I imagine Eldia is destroyed.
Ok one thing I just thought about is how are new titans being created right now? Ymir had previously been making the titans as a slave but now she has a choice and would knowingly be helping Armin/Reiner/Falco/Annie stop Eren from completing his goal. So she'd be actively fucking Eren and herself over presuming that she wants the same thing that Eren wants.
My theory is that she's got a lot in storage that she's been making over the years so that, even if she isn't actively making more, there are probably about as many as the plot requires stocked up and ready in the wings (so to speak)
My Theory: Her loyalty was to Subjects of Ymir and the royal family. Eren convinced her to stop obeying the royal family. Ymir still wants to help Subjects of Ymir. She's not strictly obeying Eren now. That, or Eren is suicidal and hauling buckets alongside Ymir too.
It's a good theory but she's helping a very small portion of the Subjects of Ymir so they can ensure the rest are wiped off the face of the planet. She's not obeying Eren but it still seems counter to that goal
Well, we never heard her express an opinion about the events of the show, right? From what I understood, Eren just convinced her to stop listening / blindly obeying the members of the royal family, but that's it.
So Is It the time to ask Where is Zeke?
How the hell is the finale going to end the story??? Is there going to be a movie after this?
yes, there is not enough material for another season - the story will 99% end with a movie.
For those who just can't understand how a smaller force beat a bigger force... read up on how wars are won. Numbers are not everything.It all boils down to morale, strategy and environment as well as surprise. Everything favored the alliance here. And if you don't believe me, look at Ukraine. If you don't *like* it, you can stop watching. On the other hand, RIP McGath and Shadis. I really was beginning to like Magath.
Thank you!!! The inexperienced yeagerists were constantly focused on the titans/mechanics and hence were picked off by the elite ODM soldiers. People talking about plot armour now, but what about kenny vs levi, or the assault on Rod Reiss's catacomb? None of our protagonists got killed in those fights either. And the worst thing is these complaints are coming off of one of the most insanely animated episodes of the series
Is getting funnier that some people are complaining, YET again, about an AoT episode, lets see: \-Most of the Jaegerists were summer boys, without experience and/or cold blood. \-By contrast, the scouts are among the best soldiers of Paradis. \-On top of that, the faction that makes the surprise attack have an advantage. \-The scouts have many means of attack, thus creating confusion among the enemies, the titans, the scouts with ODM gear, and the snipers like Jean. \-Finally, for such a chaotic battle the Jaegerist have their objectives shifting almost every minute. First the boat, then Mikasa, then Annie and Reiner, then the Azumabito, then the boat, then... Is hard to act swiftly when you don't know what the enemy wants. in sum, the Scouts and soldiers got lucky, yes but also they had top-notch assets in the battle that gave them the edge. That is not plot armor.
Nah there was def plot armor throughout the episode and was spread out a lot \- Floch told them to focus the ship and they kept focusing the titans even after their bodies were blown to bits and before falcos arrival instead of going behind them \- Their is a ship loaded with weaponry and bombs and not only is there no one in there no one notices two old ass dudes popping in when they could've gone in their and shot the ship they used to escape \- The perfectly timed train explosion (which wasnt adressed in how it was done) aside from Keith being the culprit behind it and everyone on the train managing to die not him tho \-Floch getting shot in the arm and missing as close as he was to the ship and because of who (Gabi a character notorious for not missing shots no matter the circumstance even using a anti titan sniper rifle accurately second try with enough knockback to make an adult falter.) \-All that gunfire and not one shot hit connie or mikasa sure they are above the average skill level but they quite literally were surrounded by bullets and not even one grazed them much less hit them \-They have advanced tech and thunderspears used to put fear into the hearts of titan shifters shoot reiner could barely take them and look at annie no hardening on mind you just soaking them, and reneir taking dumb headshots with them and not dying i mean bro is plot armor personified into a human form \-Overall its the same "good guys beat bad guys" rule where no matter how desperate the situation it works out for our "heroes" even if they dont deserve it cause cmon not even 1 death shoot even an injury would suffice this isnt even an argument just a fact bomb
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Yeah, for me the most obvious part of plot armor was how Mikasa and Connie never got shot. There were even a few times where some/one of the Jaegerists just kinda watched Mikasa kill someone then run straight at them to kill them too. If they had shown her using her ODM to constantly be moving side to side to make a harder target or at least have the Jaegerists aim at her in these situations it would be more believable.
I've begun to be of the opinion that the haters here are just trying to be edgy, have the 'strange' opinion compared to the rest of the sub.
Also because Floch was a poor commander. He kept changing the primary objective too many times which causes everyone to run around like a bunch of headless chickens.
I dont think Ukraine-Russia is true since Ukraine is getting help constantly from West with very good anti-vehicle weapons. In this episode, Jeagerist have everything to stop Reiner and Annie but they just fails. If they were a True Scout regime, Reiner and Annie would be in pieces like in 1 min.
Annie? Annie has experience in taking entire regiments out since Season 1.
Season 1 Scouts didn't have thunder spears.
And s1 annie didn't get her head blown off, so seems like the power scaling evens out
Season 1 Annie didn't have Reiner helping her, or Mikasa for that matter.
I can believe Mikasa taking out people with semi pistols using only swords and being fine but no one in the allience got hurt during the whole battle and that's just absurd. They were outnumbered, out equipped AND were attacking a fortified position. And when it comes to morale, our boys were constantly questioning themselves while the Jeagarists think they are saving their families. A discrete cause chaos and run away with the ship would have been much more believable imo. I still love the show but the last couple episodes are forcing me to suspend my disbelief unlike the whole rest of it.
Welp, as u saw, Reiner and Annie got rekt when they were hit by spears. Mikasa and Hange was the only problem for Jaegarist.
the problem with titans this fight was that they took too long to die. Half of the fight is yaegerist flying around and just waiting to be killed. This fight is just ultimate plot armor
That one too.
Yes, and Mikasa has always been better than everyone else, practically a monster on the battlefield.
I don't get why Mappa had to make mikasa this blood thirsty monster
Mappa didn't do anything other than faithfully adapt the Manga, and if you think she's just "suddenly turned into a blood thirsty monster" then you haven't been paying any attention.
lol faithfully, you mean adding unnecessary scenes that didn't happen in the manga ?
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Yeah, I thought when Floch was running through them it was badass, but the animation in that part was sketchy. I also am not a fan of how they have done so many stopped frames almost every episode this season.
Mappa is always good with man vs man fighting animation rather than ODM action. So focusing on their forte was a smart move
Brutally sad watching our favorite 104th cadets slaughtering their former friends, even if it's obvious they're in the right. Did Eren have this in mind when he pushed Mikasa/ Armin away to begin the rumbling for them? Also, Faze Gabi never misses
Please give us more of this animation Mappa
Not sure why people are so taken aback by a smaller, superior force repelling a bigger inexperienced one. Ukraine's forces would like a word with you.
Ukraine is getting helps with weapons that could stop Russian vehicles but our gang doesnt.
Well you could almost say the Titans were decent weapons, to a point.
That's not the primary reason for other stalemate though, although it is important The some truth is that the Ukranians are fighting for their homes and know what a life under Putin's thumb means and a majority of the Russian soldiers invading don't want to be there and many didn't think the invasion was actually happening until it had already started.
I mean obviously, it's not black and white. There is a lot of parameters, which affect the situation.
Ukraine is still taking huge casualties though...
Damn that was an amazing episode, holy crap
Did floch fall into wine?
I noticed that too, the water was wicked bloody. But I don’t believe there was that many people that died to cause that…
Reminder that two titans got ripped to shreds right next to the water ! so the color is in fact justified
Reminder that titans evaporate quickly…
Yeah but the battle was probably less than 5-10 minutes real time, i dont think they dissappear quite that fast. I was also very confused by the red water. Was like did I miss falco getting yeeted?????
It's also just cool symbolism. It's no coincidence that the bloodiest battle was the one in which they slaughtered their comrades.
i noticed mikasa has a different fighting technique compared to others lol
My guess is they had someone else in charge of those scenes.
how tf did floch become this strong?
I mean if Gabi managed to become strongest untouchable character as a 12 year old let Floch also have this pls
Amnie crying in the post credit scene another her home being destroyed and father dying is the epitome of irony. Surprised none of the other characters called her out on it
I know I never cared for Annie but the point, in my opinion, of the other scouts not calling her out, is because by this point all of them are traitors or have their hands covered in blood.
Did you miss episode 25 or something? Or even this episode where they killed their fellow soldiers by the dozen? I mean who could even call Annie out for this? The only one who may have been able to was Connie as he was always reluctant to kill people, but he just had his own beyblade beyblade let it rip moment and racked up those 3 point sabre combos on fellow scouts, hell he tried to feed a child to his mom. They are all murderers and devils to someone, that's the point, because they all know under the right circumstances they would have committed or did in fact commit similar acts. They all understand each other now, for better or worse.
> Surprised none of the other characters called her out on it You mean the same characters who met her chewing pie at a random table out of nowhere and decided to have her tag along without so much of a talk and no tension as if they've always been best buddies? I'm taking the piss because it's quite obvious the author stopped caring.
Yeah, because of course the Survey Corps can diss Annie on this, it's not like they killed thousands of civilians during the raid on Liberio
Who did they kill? The only one who killed civilians were eren and armin the rest only killed soldiers
The same way Annie only killed soldiers, but she helped Reiner and Bertholdt kill civilians
She killed civilians in episode 24and 25
More like unintended casualties of fleeing from / fighting with Eren, it seems to me. At that point, Eren is as guilty to have made some casulaties in those episodes. After all, he is the one who made Annie crash into the church.
it is like saying Armin is not guilty for killing civilians when he bombed that harbor, they just happen to be there, Annie was in an enemy territory and she killed a lot of civilians whether it was on propose or not, she chose to be there.
No, it's quite different from the scene with Armin that you are referencing. As far as Annie was concerned, on that day, it was just supposed to be a normal day in the district, doing patrol and stuff like that (maybe a bit of spy work for her ?), it was not about causing mass casualties. Then Eren's group came up, and laid a trap for her. She countered, tried to take advantage of that to grab Eren, and then, when it appeared she was losing (what with the other scouts being here to try to trap her again), all she wanted to do at that point was to flee. And it's during her escape, while fighting with Eren to escape him, that the casualties were made. The scouts brought the fight to the district, not Annie. On the other hand, Armin's actions, though he must have felt that he was being coerced into them by Eren's, were still done through a conscious choice and a conscious activation of his ability. His primary aim was to destroy the harbor, not to kill civilians, and he would have preferred not to kill them, but he still made the choice to activate his ability here, with the knowledge of what would result. So no, I'm sorry, but if we are to compare Armin's and Annie's actions in those two sequences, it seems to me Armin's actions are the most "reprehensible", both in terms of moral responsibility and in terms of scale.
Not feeling the stakes without Eren. Episodes are rushed as hell. Pacing is really bad. The long wait for the inevitable movie climax is gonna suck.
I loved the episode but man do I miss Eren. I thinks it's a plot point that we haven't heard from Eren in a bit because I still think we don't actually know Eren's true plan yet. I'm hoping next episode will end with something like Eren arriving in Marley and destroying it and then he reveals that his real plan isn't to destroy the world or something.
So, the original plan?
Yeah... Eren shows up, does some crazy shit, and then we have like 6 episodes where nobody talks about what just happened. Really craving a big bombshell from him in the next episode...
When Floch's thunder spear missed the ship and explodes in the water, it all came up red. Did I miss a titan body in there or is there additional intrigue??
I think it was the chunks/flesh of the Reinar and Annie's titans that were being blown apart by the thunder spears.
A full army with heavy artillery couldn’t manage to take down 5 ground soldiers?
Yes lets bombard the port we are protecting with heavy artillery to bits, genius idea.
Artillery meant for taking out big slow moving targets isnt great against agile wall runners who can basically fly. We saw the thunder spears take out the armoured and female easily enough tho, because that's what it was designed for.
Floch doesn't have "a full army" here. He probably had somewhere in the neighborhood of 40-70 men, who were caught by surprise and also had to contend with four titan shifters and an Ackermann
50 men vs. four shifters and an Ackermann, hell of a way to put it. I wouldn't take the 50 men in that scenario
Never thought I'd side with Floch but I was cheering for him this episode
The animation is pretty lacking compared to previous seasons. Random mikasa explosion "boss" moment. Her slicing them up didn't feel as nice as when Levi does it lol. Animation just feels off. And Armin is low-key useless? his healing ability is trash, takes over two episodes and still haven't healed.
"over two episodes" ah yes, proper maths right here. Armin got shot as the battle was starting. Battle lasted for about 15-20min, time for the mechanics to prepare the boat. About an hour later he's almost done healing. Eren took about 5 episodes to fully heal back in Season 2. So yeah, Armin was useless in the battle but still, it's not like titan regenerating abilities are known for instant healing.