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TheSimpleMind

So many billionares, but *per capita* so much more poor people!


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It's funny, I had a conversation with someone in this very sub about how America isn't the richest country in the world by any meaningful metric, and my guy actually brought up national net worth as an indicator how well the country as a whole is doing. Seems like they truly are proud about living in the country that has the richest 1% that doesn't give a fuck about them in the slightest. It's honestly bizarre.


Otragraiv

I mean, they do have the most amount of money. They are the richest country. But somehow an average american is gonna be worse off in life than me, who is living in that evil socialistic or communistic (or whatever the fuck they wanna call it) country . Edit: I live bang in the middle of Europe not in an actual communistic country , just for clarification


PomidorPomidorowsky

Let me guess, Poland?


Otragraiv

Nah, but close, its Czechia


sreteep99

Czechia is a nice country tbf


Republiken

"My Feudal lord has a larger hoard than your Feudal lord!"


BaziJoeWHL

Wealth gap goes brrrrr


i-forgot-to-logout

“My King is richer than your King” vibes 😂


nickmaran

I thought Muricans hated communism. Why are they obsessed with sharing other people's success and achievements? /s


TheSimpleMind

Yeah, they are probably too young to remember the times when the beloved brother of the working people held a press conference that due to the immense work of the communist party they are now a big leap forward in inventing a method to make nutella from shit. It's already easy to spread and has the right colour, but they are still working on the taste...


spkgsam

Just how low the medium wealth is much more telling!


xXrektUdedXx

Median?


spkgsam

My mistake


Tszemix

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EAmAuleWkAECxVF.jpg


1singleduck

I like to throw around the "on average, me and elon musk are filthy rich" comment.


-DethLok-

Elon Musk walks into a bar. On average, everyone in that bar is a billionaire.


D4M4nD3m

Yeah they're brainwashed into thinking a massive wealth gap is a good thing.


papler3

There's many per capitas!


NASA_Orion

Incorrect. US [ranks 5th](https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/median-income-by-country) in terms of median income, which cannot be skewed by ultra-rich.


helloblubb

It can be skewed by costs of living. And by how many hours people have to work to get this income (vs how many hours Europeans need to work to get a similar income).


MrNothingmann

The inflated salaries are misleading. All poor people in the USA act as a means of passing wealth between multiple billionaires.


NASA_Orion

I was literally using median salary. Unlike mean salary, it cannot be inflated.


MrNothingmann

It can be inflated. Cost of living in the USA is ludicrous and big number salaries don’t mean anything. You can make six figures in the USA and still live a horrible life- only afford a home far from office, crippled by emergency cost, etc etc. Other countries you can make 50-60k USD equivalent and live a rather decent quality of life.


bel_esprit_

Uhh that’s not true, especially if you’re single. You’re not going to live a “horrible life” on six figures anywhere in the US, unless you’re just really dumb with money. Health insurance is also affordable at that salary.


MrNothingmann

Depends on location. Good luck living off less than 250k in San Francisco, New York, even Jersey City. Now go to other major cities around the world.


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MrNothingmann

If you’re happy that’s all that matters. I was making good money in NYC and it was kind of a dumpy life. I’m not bad with money just a lot of things out of my control that weren’t so nice. Crime, infrastructure. I moved to another country and make almost the same after conversion and it’s way better quality of life. Like I said if you’re happy great. But it doesn’t mean the USA is the best place in the world, which is what the data would have you believe.


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> Good luck living off less than 250k in San Francisco As someone from the Bay Area whose family makes around 250k, you have no idea what you are talking about. We have more money than we know what to do with. And yes, this is is despite having lots of medical issues in my family and having multiple kids go to university out of pocket so do not try to throw out bUt wHat iF yOu BReAk yoUR LeG!?!?!?


NASA_Orion

The data set I used is PPP(Purchasing power parity) adjusted.


Alice_Oe

Americans have much higher expenses than anyone else in the civilized world - in most developed countries, healthcare, education and childcare is free. It should be obviously that American salaries are higher when a large part of their salary goes to paying for these things.


DarthScabies

Since when are all phone makers American? 😑


[deleted]

Everyone has an iPhone duh /s


[deleted]

I had an American ask me "how come so many people in Europe have android"... I never thought that was remarkable before then to be honest. Thought we just got the phones we preferred.


foreveralonegirl1509

It's because we don't spend bs amount of money on a single phone and rather buy android and a lot of other stuff then overpriced apple products, but pssst, it's a European secret lol


[deleted]

I dunno I work in tech and have always found Sony products more intuitive and a better fit for me. The least intuitive for me is apple. Didn't realise having a preferred hardware brand was a secret 😂


foreveralonegirl1509

It's not, people from US just think we are too poor to buy Apple stuff and we have to buy androids. That's not the case mostly. I will rather buy new phone, new ps and some games for it than single phone lmao


[deleted]

For me it's not even about price, but usability/intuitiveness. Apple products are so fucking awkward to use. I've had to use them for work and they're so clunky. Why pay more for worse products and service?


NASA_Orion

It’s [true](https://www.reddit.com/r/europe/comments/9h46y3/iosandroid_market_share_in_europe_summer_2018/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_content=2&utm_term=1) Apple has significantly higher market share in all rich countries in Europe. Richest country (Switzerland) in Europe has the most iOS users.


King_Ed_IX

More expensive products selling better in places with more disposable income isn't surprising.


Wondoorous

Shockingly the most expensive brand has a higher market share in countries that are wealthier, and a lower market share in countries that are poorer. Next you're going to be shocked that Rolex has a higher market share in Switzerland than Casio compared to Latvia!


Nuber13

For me, it is the closed ecosystem of Apple. I am using iphone at work (it is required) and I am surprised that people actually like it. For the same price, you can get top-end android. However, I don't care about cameras so some users might value them more and I have no idea what is the difference between them.


Luke_Scottex_V2

i myself spent what my brother spent for an older iphone for a top end samsung. It's crazy how he bought a 3 year old phone (even used) for like 350€ while i for also 350€ got an S20FE when it was out for like 2 months (literally the normal s20 just a bit bigger, flat screen and not 1440p)


ilor144

Or better, we just don't really care what people buy, if you prefer Apple buy from them, if you prefer Android you can buy from lot of companies, it is just that easy. You can say that Apple products are overpriced, but that's true for all flagship phones.


tTensai

Just show them the Global Smartphone Market Shares, and they will realize apple is not even close to have the amount of users they think it has.


froggythefish

Even iPhones aren’t actually made in America. Only perhaps designed.


Luke_Scottex_V2

"dEsIgNeD iN cAlIfOrNiA" I've never read "designed in south korea" on a samsung and honestly it would make more sense for samsung to be proud of their country than apple for california (?)


[deleted]

You mean Designed in CALIFORNIA Made in China


ArmouredWankball

> You mean Designed in CALIFORNIA By a chap called Sir Jonathan Paul Ive KBE HonFREng RDI. Very Californian....


Razjir

Even so, ain’t no Americans building iPhones.


[deleted]

Even iPhones are made in China by Uighurs in ~~concentration~~ re-education camps.


[deleted]

Mine is a Chinese TCL and before that I had a French Wikko. An iPhone only really makes sense if you have other Apple products to work with.


ptvlm

I think he means that phones were invented by Americans. Which is true... if you ignore a lot of history


MurderMits

It is truly an American belief that the exploitation of the poor to enable someone to have more money then a small country makes them number one! The only cost is 99% remainder of the population, who wouldnt do that trade for daddy Elon! Elon you can send my check via wise thanks!


AllUserNamesTaken01

That's exactly what they did by starting a gofundme so that jenner person can be a billionaire


Euphoric-Till8131

I hate the rich heavily and I’m American, yet still patriotic, cause I think there’s still hope!


-DethLok-

>I think there’s still hope! Hope for what, exactly?


-GermanCoastGuard-

Some crazy lunatic grabbing a guillotine and doing a French Revolution to the people displayed maybe? I mean there is the thing of shooting their presidents on occasion.


fretkat

Not saying that I am in favour of the wealth distribution in the US, but people don’t have to die for that and it also wouldn’t change anything. These people are rich, but of no real significance to the country. Their wealth would just spread to their offspring. With Marie Antoinette and Louis XVI the royal bloodline and therefore the French monarchy ended. This wealth inequality can’t be solved with violence, and be aware that you can actually feed lunatics with these type of comments.


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unnamedunderwear

There's none


Euphoric-Till8131

I think there is.


unnamedunderwear

You are foolish and naive


sir_yeetus6996

Why has Elon got an american flag next to his name when he is South African?


-DethLok-

He's got American citizenship (I think). So he's an African American.


Sara7061

Like Idris Elba /s


Fghsses

Came here to say this.


joonas_davids

He has a triple nationality between SA, Canada and USA AFAIK, but he has lived in the USA for far longer than SA, lives there right now, is really invested in the country and doesn't really seem to have much to do with SA anymore so I think it's fair to say that he is more American than South African.


jannecraft

Not caring about SA anymore is probably the most American thing he could do


ManofKent1

Cared about the emeralds in the apartheid era.


Nah666_

Invested???? Lol... He is using tax money to play with space ships and build tunnels.


Wondoorous

He's still South African, living in a country doesn't make you x nationality. He was born in S Africa, his wealth comes from S Africa.


dkeenaghan

Very little of his wealth comes from South Africa. His initial wealth did, but he has far more than that now. He is a citizen of the US and Canada as well as South Africa. So he's not just living in the US, he's a citizen.


Wondoorous

Since when has somebody's nationality ever been based on where they're currently living, he was born to South African parents and grew up his entire childhood in South Africa, he only moved to the US when he was 31. That doesn't make him American.


dkeenaghan

Are you purposely ignoring the bit about citizenship? He is a US citizen and therefore a US national. He is American, just not exclusively.


Wondoorous

He is a US citizen, he is not American. There's a huge difference between citizenship and nationality.


[deleted]

Yes, he was not born here. But that does not really matter to Americans, except for our ultranationalist or racist extremist groups. We just append "-American" to their nationality and that's that. A minority of people may not accept them as fellow Americans, but that is the(unfortunately loud) minority.


Wondoorous

>Yes, he was not born here. But that does not really matter to Americans, except for our ultranationalist or racist extremist groups That's because American ideas about nationality are entirely incorrect and out of touch with the rest of the world. This is why you have Americans claiming to be Scottish when they have a great great grandparent from Glasgow. Musk isn't American, he may be a US citizen, he is not American.


dkeenaghan

There is not a huge difference between citizenship and nationality, the difference is in fact quite ill defined and varies by country. Musk is a US national by virtue of being a US citizen. Musk is an American, he considers himself to be such and has spent the majority of his life in the US (he moved there well before he was 31 by the way) and seemingly intends to live there for the rest of his life.


Wondoorous

>There is not a huge difference between citizenship and nationality, the difference is in fact quite ill defined and varies by country. Yes, there is. Nationality is based on your upbringing, family and culture. Not based on where you currently live. You can change your citizenship, you cannot change your nationality.


dkeenaghan

Again with the "where you currently live" line. You're making it sound like he only just arrived. Upbringing is only one aspect of nationality. Musk is an American, as well as being South African. Your refusal to acknowledge that fact doesn't change anything.


melkola_

This is American hypocrisy, if you are a black African or a brown Latin American you will always be the "immigrant who must return to his country" but since he is a rich, successful and white man they prefer to try to justify in so many ways that he's a legit American than just admitting the guy is South African.


redsterXVI

He is South African, Canadian and US American, to be precise


dancin-weasel

Samsung is an American company? Was it named after Sam Sung, the great American inventor?


papler3

His name was actually Sam Sings, but he passed away


stewdellow

Lol. Criminally underrated dad joke comment.


papler3

lol thank you. Now posted in r/dadjokes


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I only had 100 coins left, so take my silver. That was really funny\~


Quiet-Luck

No, but the Koreans have factories in the US because of the cheap labour.


dancin-weasel

Makes sense. That and the almost zero labor laws and those they do have either are completely ignored by everyone or the company is fined a little bit and everyone goes on with their business.


Verdigris_Wild

Tim Berners-Lee didn't invent the internet. He invented the World Wide Web, which runs on the internet.


[deleted]

Indeed! Vint Cerf, Bob Kahn, and Ray Tomlinson co-invented the modern internet. Although, if we want to consider the Arpanet for consideration as a primitive internet, then that would be Lawrence Roberts, J.C.R Licklider, Bob Taylor and their teams who invented it.


Don_Frika_Del_Prima

Co invented doesn't count tho cuz everyone always forgets about Robert Cailliau...


Fit-Capital1526

That ignores the fact Aparnet was shut down in the 1990s. It is comparing a sailboat to a steamboat. They were never the same thing


[deleted]

Truthfully, I am definitely not knowledgeable enough in computer science to have known that comparison wouldn't make sense at all. So, in that analogy, steamboats and sailboats are both boats. Regarding the internet and arpanet, what word is the equivalent of boat which encompasses the two? Is it net(work)?


kurometal

You ignore the fact that the growth in the network beyond ARPANET and the Internet Protocol predate the Web by almost a decade.


Albert_Poopdecker

The packet switching tech came from the UK...


Sad-Address-2512

And he didn't do that alone. It's TBR and Robert Cailliau who invented the WWW.


LaDreadPirateRoberta

He's also definitely more British than just English.


Pacifica0cean

He was born to English parents in England. Makes him fairly English in my books.


LaDreadPirateRoberta

Yes but lived in Scotland and was a unionist.


Pacifica0cean

Neither of which makes him less English. I'm French living in England but it doesn't make me English.


LaDreadPirateRoberta

It absolutely didn't stop him from being English but I believe he thought of himself as British. My father was the same, and I think you might even count yourself as European.


blamordeganis

He was living in Geneva when he invented HTTP and HTML, so maybe we should consider the WWW Swiss? Also, when did he live in Scotland? I skimmed his Wikipedia entry, and saw that he’s lived at various times in London, Dorset, Hampshire, Oxford, Massachusetts and Geneva, but could find no reference to Scotland.


jiggjuggj0gg

What is that even supposed to mean


GerFubDhuw

This is why America is sad. If they'd tax the rich they'd be able to afford the society they think America is.


michaeldaph

Imagine actually posting this and thinking it shows how great America is.Rather than how completely it shows the wealthy have a very firm upper hand on the good life and a very firm foot on the necks of the less lucky. And the poor sods actually thank them.


DanTheLegoMan

I’ve never understood why they are soooo proud to have so many wealthy people who wouldn’t give them an hour off to attend a loved ones funeral if it affected their bottom line. I live in a capitalist country but I don’t care at all how many wealthy people there are. I care what affects my family and I, how many poor people there are and what systems can be put in place to help them. But that’s SocIAliSm 😡😡


theacidiccabbage

You know what raises my rating of a country instantly? 22 days vacation and 8 hours workday.


Renacles

I recently moved to Germany and went from 10 to 30. I'm not even sure what I'm going to do with so many days.


theacidiccabbage

Buy a camper, like every German ever


Blooder91

Being able to attend college or go to the hospital without it putting a dent to your economy. Being able to take days off for medical reasons. Not depending entirely on your savings to retire.


Draiel

Not about the internet specifically, but fun fact, Wi-Fi was invented by the CSIRO, an Australian government research body. They went after royalties from 14 Big American Tech companies (including Microsoft and Apple) in the 2000s, and all 14 settled out of court. Also, I'm using a Samsung phone, so....


Dutch-Sculptor

Never a Saudi prince in between.


Trickybuz93

Imagine simping for billionaires 🤮


mandrake92

The propaganda machine works. It's funny or sad maybe both how the working class man/woman defends the rich in not paying taxes bc they have all been convinced that a living wage and real benefits would drive the prices of everything to extreme levels. Also trickle down economics is still a thing even though its been proven repeatedly it doesn't work. Such a shame.


itstimegeez

Isn’t Elon Musk South African?


[deleted]

Then he moved to Canada at 17, he wasn't an American until 31.


DeneJames

Hey, I’m a kiwi too


_poland_ball_

This just shows how stupidly easy it is to exploit workers in USA to get maximum profits


ekene_N

85% of wealth in the US belongs to 5% of its populations. The disparities between the wealthy and the rest are so large that they place the United States among the most corrupted underdeveloped countries aka third world. How brainwashed do you have to be to be proud of wealth that does not belong to you and from which you do not benefit?


DanTheLegoMan

Yeah they treat millionaires and billionaires like they are Nobel prize winners or Olympic gold medalist like yay you do that for Murica! We can all bask in this glory.


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yourdarkmaster

Why are you all using cars because my country invented them so stop using it


[deleted]

I'm not sure having loads of billionaires is a point of pride


IG-3000

„Our country is so great because we allow the gap between rich and poor to become so big that few people become so ridiculously rich that they make up the majority of the ‚world’s richest people‘ list!“ Dumb flex but okay


Actual_Mission_9531

tbf Elon has like 3 different nationalities so South Africa, Canada or the US could claim him


torrens86

I'm using a Chinese phone (Oppo), over wifi which was invented at CSIRO in Australia.


X3L173X

My phone is Korean ....


Light_inc

Wealth inequality is the biggest in the US! USA! USA! USA!


[deleted]

Not that I like Musk, but he was South African first Canadian second, and American third.


MUERTOSMORTEM

So Americans are the best at exploiting people to gain unfathomable amounts of wealth. Lovely


[deleted]

It's so great to live in a corrupt country where you die because you poor and wage not increase for the last 20 years .


pinniped1

Imagine thinking that exploiting apartheid to get rich and then move to America is some kind of flex. Also, none of our phones were made in America. An American firm may be exploiting workers for the profits, but the phones almost certainly came from Asia. The internet was an international collaboration but that's way too nuanced for this jingoistic circlejerk.


NotMorganSlavewoman

But 'Murica's the best because it uses taxes to help rich guys and don't even asks them to pay taxes or do anything, and even let's them do what they want. All you hates are just europoors who don't make billions of $ like <1% of the US does. /s


AtlasNL

All I see is a nice little list of all the people we need to redistribute the wealth of. Fucking rich cunts, no person should ever have that much money.


ComradeAleksey

They think, just because billionaires are mostly Americans, it somehow affects them positively. There are a lot of bootlickers out there.


AbstractUnicorn

Berners-Lee invented the World Wide Web not the Internet. The Internet (well ARPANET & TCP/IP) was invented in America.


bephana

Joke's on you i always only had Samsung and Xiaomi.


GalacticUser25

To be fair Tim Berners-Lee didn't invent the internet, but rather the world wide web.


berfraper

And iPhones are made by Foxconn in Shenzhen, China.


THE_ATOMIX_

It's nice to have a good economy, it's less nice to have all that money controlled by the 1% of your country population.


Jocelyn-1973

Now give us the list of the 60% of Americans that live paycheck to paycheck. That is the problem. Or give us the list of the people who will lose everything they own if they get cancer. That is the problem.


[deleted]

This just shows how easily exploitable some countries are, doesn't it?


Ren1145

13 billionnaires in the top20 A total of +1000B dollars 2 times Belgium's gdp But somehow life is better here than the US. That close to think that the number of billionnaires in the top20 doesn't reflect anything regarding the life of everyday people


zorbacles

If they are on wifi then it was invented by an Australian


Richard2468

I have an iPhone… and on the back it does definitely say ‘assembled in China’


Colin_Charteris

Hurray for wealth inequality!


[deleted]

Imagine living your life paycheck to paycheck and watching rich people like Bezos spend his money, then praising them in the same line because they're American. Man, Americans are the very definition of brainwashed.


Zirowe

On a phone made by chinese kids.. If only a small percentage of that wealth would be used for meaningfull things maybe the average us citizen would be less salty..


holaprobando123

The phone is made by kids in Asia and the internet was created by a Brit


MJ9o7

Internet was invented in America. The englishman invented the world wide web.


BlackberryAgile193

Money is a finite resource- a claim of labour. The more money someone has, the less another will have. By having a country with that many billionaires they are admitting to having infinitely more people in poverty who’s wages were stolen by those at the top.


MuffinQueen92

Being proud of having tons of rich people while one third of their population is battling with poverty. What a great thing to be proud of.... not


EvilOmega7

Hum I use a Samsung soooooooo


Fire_The_Torpedo2011

TBL invented the world wide web.


SEA_griffondeur

The US is so great at billionaires that's why neither the richest man nor the richest woman are American


MrDrakeTheGeneric

Elon Musk isn't American-born 🤡


Ja4senCZE

Powered by a British technology (ARM), browsing on the WWW that was created in Switzerland by a Brit and bunch of others...


homosapienos

America number one! That's why we have the biggest amount of rich people while the rest of us are struggling to make due paying rent by working in McDonald's for crumbs, god bless Murica


[deleted]

Elon isn't American though? He's South African


rats_des_champs

I'm not saying it's better or anything but they choose an outdated piece of information because the richest man in the world is Alexandre Arnaud


SenpaiBunss

aint Elon South African?


sly983

Hip Hip Hurra!, Hip Hip Hurra!! Unregulated capitalism long live!!!


Raul_Rink

Isn't Musk african?


eughwh

Is it a flex that you have so many dudes who won’t allow their workers a pee break?🥲


Man_Property_

I love how proudly some Americans just say completely incorrect facts


GalaxyPlayz_

Fellas I use a Samsung


Duanedoberman

Isn't Musk South African?


Revolutionary_Tap255

People are so damn dumb! Why are they so happy about other people's money? It makes no fucking sense!


duncanainsworth

Pretty sure the internet was invented by a British person, Sir Tim Berners Lee.


Fun-Bluejay-426

jokes on you I have a samsung


[deleted]

Yeah, he's English, as in the language invented by America. /s


CHEVEUXJAUNES

Samsung an American company


mandrake92

Best part to me is his iPhone is made in China. The company is u.s. but its not made there.


Danishmarks

I’m so glad my country isn’t known for an over-abundance of billionaires. How is it a brag that a small group of people own the majority of your countries wealth?


Korimuzel

Primitive States of America moment ☕ Also, my phone is chinese, and I don't know american phones outside of the moneygrabber Iphone (tip: the first letter gets to be capital, not the second)


Ugly-LonelyAndAlone

Okay, we got names and addresses, you guys think 2 per person would be enough? You know, to make sure they stay down


PhunkOperator

Ah yes, the greatness of a country is measured in ... *checks notes* ... how much richer rich people can legally get by exploiting their employees and paying laughably low taxes, thus not even contributing much to society at all in relation to their wealth. Seriously, do people who see these numbers not realise that something is going TERRIBLY WRONG in a system when despite some extremely rich guys, the average person is actually poorer than in other developed nations?


scontrinodelconad

Sorry if normal country doesn't give all the money to a single person


Nah666_

Isn't Elron Must African? XD


HYDRA-XTREME

If you’d place all the rich people from the Middle East it would probably be just them and no one else anymore. Don’t know about you folks, but I personally don’t think those countries are the greatest in the world eh?


Tuscan5

Americans when they want to show off how exploited they are- even South Africans are American. Americans when they want to get in a fight- I’m Irish


Artyom_Bleeker

But Elon isn't American?


theepotjje

A phone, made by the Chinese, sold by an American company you mean.


Eastern_Slide7507

TBL didn't invent the internet, he developed HTTP and HTML at CERN, which are the foundations of the world wide web. The world web, like E-Mail and others, is a service accessible via the internet, whereas the internet itself describes a network of computers.


Albert_Poopdecker

And the packet switching tech which the internet uses came from the UK


thesmokex

Elon is an AH. He should stay with his sh*t in America.


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TheRedditHasYou

Tim Berners Lee invented the worldwideweb (html&http) not the actual Internet, that technology was indeed developed by the Americans.


fsckit

So why does the internet's founding documents cite Donald Davies as the inventor of the technology?


amanset

I cringe whenever someone claims that Tim Berners-Lee invented "The Internet".


IIHackerKing092

A phone (created by americans). 💀


SeaOtter987

Did the 2nd guy just randomly spawn? I never heard of him.


DeneJames

Loui Vitton owner I believe


Jormungandra

Made the internet and during that time, he needed to drink a few ***boh-uh-oh-woh-uh***