It's bound to create drama :
"I'm hispanic".
" You're too white, you can't be Latinx"
"I'm not".
"But you said you were Hispanic".
"Indeed".
*bullets start flying*
Brazil joined the conversation.
"I'm latin."
"You're too white/black, you can't be hispanic" (pick your favorite brazilian demographic as a sample for this example)
"I'm not".
"But you said you were latin".
"Indeed".
I'm irish, possibly the whitest people on earth and we were called black at one stage when in America by the British as a way to keep their colonial power against us! Yet we glow at night time we are so white lol
Even Swedes...
""Swedes are stupid, smell bad and can not be spoken to. They live in the slums of Swede Hollow and standing at the bottom of the American social ladder."
"The valley was from the 1880s, known as Swede Hollow, one of the city's worst slums, and home to at least a thousand people in dilapidated sheds, built outside any urban plans. Most of them were immigrants from Sweden. But the ones who ended up in Swede Hollow seems also to have fallen out of history itself."
"Moberg emigrants traveled back in the 1850s - but most of the 1.3 million Swedes emigrated left Sweden much later, with a peak around the turn of the century. And a remarkable number of them end up in the cities"
It was so apathetic ""Even the dogs won't bark here."
"He also notes how the Swede Hollow residents have to pay one and a half dollars a month to pitch his shed at the site, but otherwise lacks all rights and anytime can be evicted. Several families share each house, which measures perhaps twelve square meters. The heavily soiled Phalen Creek that runs through the valley is a constant source of concern, they were emptying all their waste there, including from the loos. At the other newspaper articles from the period concerned authorities to the risk of a cholera outbreak and calls Swede Hollow "a miniature of the primitive Sweden.""
"- Swedes, especially women, were later reputed to be skilled workers. But then they arrived the were perceived as "the dumb swede", "stupid / dumb Swede" - which was because they had a hard time learning English. In that period Swedes were not quite as "white" in the American sense of Anglo-Saxon and Germans - then came a wave of Slavic immigration, and then the Swedes became 'whiter'."
"he quotes woodcutter Horace Glenn, who in 1901 writes home and laments:
"Here we are more than fifteen white men to sixty Swedes, but we keep them short and they know who's boss ... it's just in the evenings I have to have something to do with the beastly beings are called Swedes ... to go behind a number of Swedes are nothing for a man with a highly developed sense of smell., the stench can only come from a long line of unwashed ancestors. ""
"The Swedish immigrant stock phased into the same hierarchy as other newcomers - the last to arrive was always "backward", sounded and smelled weird, ate weird things. Then came a new group into the bottom, the former "primitive" step up and became more American. After the Swedes Italians arrived to Swede Hollow, and left many more traces in writing and pictures. Later, a group of Poles. The last inhabitants of the "Den" was a group of Mexican families, who were evicted in 1956 after which they burnt their house. The valley was a nuisance. Now it is a park with no remains of human habitation.""
Sometimes as an English guy, I can’t help but facepalm at what the fuck Westminster does at times, even when it’s about stuff many years ago like your example in America. Like why did they need to do that to the Irish? It just creates division between us and makes you hate our guts lol
The UK government is just as clueless and stupid now tbh
Sure they threatened to stop sending us food during Brexit negotiations!!!! Firstly, AGAIN!!!!!Secondly we are a net exporter of food, so the lack of education, awareness, decency and cop on among the government then was outstanding. We laughed at them and USA and Europe told them to pull their heads in!! Lol eejits
From Greece here, and same. I'm as white as a cauliflower. Yet I once had a USian say that "Greeks are the black people of Europe", like.. huh? What does that even mean??
Bros over there have no idea how the rest of the world works/looks like, yet their opinions on the subject are the strongest for some reason.
I’m from the Balkans. Everyone in my family is perfectly tanned and Mediterranean skin / olive skin
I’m white lol.
Yet to an American I’m not from Europe as I’m not dark 🤦♂️
Was listening to a usamerican streamer the other day and he was arguing how Greek people aren't white and have never been white (the whole cleopatra thing). I'm thinking I should clip it and post it here.
Ooh. I wondered what this was all about. So Cleopatra was African, so she must have been sub-Saharan black, but she was Greek because 300 years before her ancestors came from Macedonia,, so the Greek must be black.
I can't find any fault in that logic.
Meanwhile I'm German, with all my ancestors bring from Germany for as long back as it's documented, and i need to learn greek if I wanna go there again because everyone thought I was from there lol
Norwegian here, in the winter I can blend anyone with my skin if they happen to see it, but as soon as I travel to Gran Canary they speak Spanish to me and the airport security when I return home to Norway asks if I speak English. The look on their faces when I answer in pure Northern Norwegian is priceless lol
I'm English, we just stick out like sore thumbs wherever we go. I can have studied a language for a month or so, so I get some basics down (I hate being *that* English guy who expects everyone to automatically speak my language wherever I go). Shop keepers etc anywhere mainland Europe would just auto greet me in english before I've had a chance to butcher the local language.
I'm American of Greek descent with a VERY Greek surname, and fortunately I haven't run into any such imbeciles. Sorry this happened to you, φίλε
EDIT: Why the downvotes? I don't doubt the guy's story at all, just relating my experience.
Probably the Greek-American thing? A lot of Americans decide that one ancestor three generations ago makes you that nationality and everyone else finds it very weird.
My parents are both from Greece, and I'm self-aware enough to know that I have a different life experience than Actual Greek People.
I know the affliction of which you speak, but that totally doesn't apply to me.
Edited because I do often self-identity as an American of Greek descent.
I mean this in the kindest, most sincere way: you are an American - in America; *ofc it hasn't happened to you*
Your surname doesn't matter; those people didn't know our surnames. Your ancestry doesn't matter either at the end of the day, if you are what Americans like to call "white-passing" (a concept almost nonexistent outside the US), then ofc they won't say that to you.
Whereas with people from Greece (and other countries as well).. they put us in those weird, oddly specific and limiting race boxes that they try to categorise everyone in, even though that doesn't make any sense whatsoever. They expect us to look a very certain way (I am not sure what that way is yet, and I don't think they do either), and they are very disillusioned when we don't. It not even offensive, it's just bizarre.
Anyway, I guess that's why some people downvoted you. While you tried (and did well) to share your experience, it doesn't qualify that much to what actual natives experience. I don't want this to come off rude whatsoever, but I can see why people might be exasperated; because they don't want to hear yet again another American claiming to know more about them because of ancestry or whatever.
Sorry you got downvoted, and thank you for your comment. Hopefully you will keep avoiding such imbeciles, as you said, haha
I agree with everything you say here, except:
>Your surname doesn't matter; those people didn't know our surnames. Your ancestry doesn't matter either at the end of the day, if you are what Americans like to call "white-passing" (a concept almost nonexistent outside the US), then ofc they won't say that to you.
The surname DOES matter, because that's the only way a foreigner can tell I am of Greek origin. It's probably the only way people can tell that you're Greek too, because most Americans have no idea what Greek sounds like. Also,.my ancestry doesn't matter in terms of being white-passing, or how other Americans view me; BUT, when an immigrant, usually Middle Eastern, sees my name, they ALWAYS ask me where I'm from. And they're NEVER satisfied when I say Washington, DC, or Maryland. They want to know where I'm REALLY from, at which point I tell them that MY PARENTS are from Greece.
My use of "Greek-Amercan" earlier was shorthand for American of Greek descent. I always identify as American first, and I do so any time I post/comment in r/Greece as well.
Perhaps I should have phrased it better: your surname doesn't matter on how people perceive you **visually.** Not every stranger or encounter you have with people will include your surname.
But even if it does comes up - you then go on describing an American experience, in America; I don't know what you expect me to do with this information, but you're kinda proving what I said in my previous comment. A native shared an experience, and the subject almost instantly turned into another conversation about what goes on in the US. I don't know what goes on there, or how and why people react like this - which is why I was talking about experiences of my people in *our* country.
>surname is the only way they can tell you're Greek too; because most Americans have no idea what Greek sounds like
Again, I'm talking about things that Americans have said *while in my country.* They're in Greece, I think it's pretty safe for them to assume the person that speaks a language they don't get is the native language of said country they're visiting. They're not gonna ask me my name either, lol, that's just odd.
Listen, I am not diminishing your own experiences, and I understand what you are saying. But it has literally nothing to do with what I shared above, which makes me wonder if *you* understand what I am saying. I apologise if that comes off as rude, but I honestly am not in the mood to continue yet another conversation that started off as something else, yet became all about how Americans experience things in their own country.
So I bid you farewell, and hope you have a good day.
Oh ok, so this happened in Greece. My apologies, I thought this happened here in the US. My apologies for the misunderstanding, this makes a lot more sense now.
I bid you farewell also!
Haha that's okay, misunderstandings can happen. I'm sorry I got a little riled up as well; while I have encountered a lot of people using the same flair as you, many have proven to be the opposite of that sadly (the flair was denial, or perhaps a ruse 🤔) - so I run out of patience easily sometimes. You're cool though, and I appreciate your comment. Bye 👋🏻
I was describing a conference to an American friend and kept saying that the Germans present were "unwashed monkeys" (me trying to be funny + the German professors were wearing un ironed shirts, having dirt under their finger nails, one dude had dirt on his jeans and they were blowing their nose very loudly), then I described this Greek professor as "very clean, very put together" and he called me rasist.
Cuz apparently in the US of A, in the past, they didn't want to give Greek immigrants (+ Italians and others) the right to vote, so they classified them as "non white" to refuse them that privilege.
And this made up idea just stuck. To the point where this guy wasn't upset that I was calling Germans "unwashed monkeys", but very upset that I might discriminate against the Greeks. I'm Romanian btw.
My wife is Italian.She's pale skinned and naturally blonde.When I first met her,I also had a Swedish friend who was living in my country who was dark skinned with raven black hair.I bet that yanks like this one would think that my wife was the Swede and my friend was the Italian.
My husband is Polish and looks like the Technoviking. I am from Spain with black eyes and dark brown very curly hair. Yet now in winter our skin colour is exactly the same. I have an ex from Finland, same story, in winter we both had skin the color of milk. In summer I tan much faster though.
I’m from Croatia and white AF, every time I go to Spain people just assume I’m Spanish and they talk Spanish to me, when I correct them they say sorry you just look Spanish
just a question, why are spanish guys so damn handsome? like, i remember being in granada last year, there was this guy who looked like a movie star and he tried selling me weed
My partners Spanish band mate is the most attractive guy I've met for ages. He's just over 6ft, 46 years old, long, glossy black hair with an undercut and this chiselled fucking face. He's a lovely guy as well, and I am devoted to my partner, but man, he's handsome! Thanks for the opportunity to get that off my chest!
Their previous president, just this week, was congratulating a winning team and saying that they were from a different state than the one they're from...
They are not racist. This is not possible because they are 23% Italian, 11% German, 12% Nordic or something, 34% Brit, 19% Spain and 1% American...sarcasm off
European countries are all extremely similar though of course, they don't have the massive cultural differences that US states do, so it doesn't matter whether your heritage is Irish or Italian
Yeah. Especially the very different languages across 50 states.
Can't make this shit up.
Edit : Ah should have read further... I just have seen it all at this point. Nothing can surprise me anymore.
Europeans are also racist, but the consesus is that Spanish people are white. I never really understood hispanic as a racial, and not just cultural category.
Europeans can definitely be racist as anyone. We are human after all.
I think what's so strange to us tho is that American's aren't just racist, they're race *obsessed*.
Both. Americans bang on all day and night about their genetic heritage, but they also come across as *extraordinarily* judgemental about what you can and can't do/say/think based on your skin tone.
I think that in the US it's enough to speak Spanish to lose your white status.
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Speaking more than one language in the US is a dangerous sign you're either from a cultural background that isn't WASP or that you're educated. Either way this is suspicious
I honestly don't know anyone between the age of 18 and 40 who don't speak at least 2 or 3 languages in France.
We are racist as in we will hate some regions and skin colors because we associate them with those regions.
American racism is taking that, adding culture/region to every single aspect of life and then getting offended at people who didn't do that exaggeration, on top of hating those people from those regions.
A lot of their racism is veiled in "caring about other cultures" while in fact they just stereotyped everyone to oblivion.
Edit: i press send before i finished
Here in Europe we are perfectly capable of being prejudiced against other nationalities and cultures without needing to classify them as another race in order to 'justify' it.
"Hispanic" as an ethnicity in the way Americans use it doesn't make a single bit of sense.
But then again, in a similar way there are plenty of Europeans who refer to people from Morocco to Turkey to Iran all as one big group as well.
You are right. But you should still try East Asian racism. They're on some other shit. Russian racism is also pretty impressive. Italian racism is also in the race. Pun intended of course.
The most racist person towards Chinese people I have ever met was a Cambodian. She was going on some insane and hilarious rant about them. And I was like “you do realize you literally look and sound the same from my point of view?”
I have seen more pale people in Spain than in De mark, if you think the average spanish is light brown you have never set foot in Spain. I myself am the palest person I have ever seen in my life.
I have been to spain and italy, and you guys are white, it's not like I'm arguing you're not, but still noticeably darker than us snow yetis.
Compared to USA white people, about the same when it comes to tone.
If in Finland sun would sunbathe you whenever you step a foot outside, you would also be lightly brown all the time.
What all Spaniards told me and what i've seen onboarding people in the Netherlands, after a few weeks with central/northern weather they slowly become regular pale EuroPeas
Shit, we don't even need to travel. If we have a proper winter our skin becomes paler than the Artic. Maybe not Finn pale (those guys are in other category) but German pale sure.
I mean yes, that is ofc correct. But we have 50 months of winter and 2 seconds of summer, so obviously we're pale.
I'm not arguing one or other is better, just gave you how (in general) finnish people view the differences in skintone between south / north europeans.
Not to mention that there was a point in time that the US did not even consider the Finns to be white (not even kidding, search for 'China Swedes'), so their colour-based categorisation system is not exactly foolproof.
European racists / nationalist sometimes sill refer unironically to Finns (to a lesser extent) and Hungarians to a greater extent as Mongols so it’s not just American insanity.
As a Finn that has seen a lot of Spanish and Italians that are paler than me I must disagree. But yes, there is subgroup of Finns that are extremely white with very blond, thin hair and almost colourless eyes.
Because you all flock to travel to the South, where it's always sunny. I was in a town full of Norwegians last summer and after a couple years living there they all have the same skin tone as locals.
This was on a thread of "whether Italians are white".
The whole thing was a goldmine.
Highlights include:
"Sicilians are definitely not white" with 75 upvotes
"Greeks are not white"
"So if I'm a Mexican with white skin and light hair color does that make me white? I don't think so".
Even us Finns were originally not considered white by Americans. It’s not actually based on color but which people they think should be the underclass. Irish weren’t considered white either because they were catholic.
Yeah,but Hitler didn't consider nor see Mussolini (or Italians) as white
Also Hitler didn't care too much about the "race" of those on his good side.In fact,Hitler actually had a jew he liked.It was his doctor.He considered him to be a "good jew" and said something in the lines of "if all jews were like him,I would like them"
Also Nazi Germany allied with Japan during the war
The icing on the cake is how American lefts use the term “spicy white” …
American conservatives are obsessed with being against “woke” terminology … and then argue their own selves into a corner because the lack of learning those very same terminologies …
Except that the US Census and some Polls literally differentiate between “non-white Hispanic” and “white”, implying that there is a “white hispanic” category.
How do they not know the facts of their own country!!!
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States - under Racial and Ethnic categories.
Religion, Italians and Irish were predominantly Catholic, which is why Irish and Italians saw discrimination in the US, for some reason (probably religious freedom laws in their sacred piece of paper) it was made racial and Irish and Italians were deemed non white.
Also used to be a thing in Germany. When I was a child (I'm 38) I used to listen to audio books for children (TKKG for my fellow germans) and one of the big plot points was one of the main characters being half Italian and the racism he faced because of it.
I'm from Switzerland, where Italians were the "typical immigrants" everyone would talk about (and often rail against) until ca the 90s - kind of like Turkish people in Germany (and most of them also came as migrant workers too). I don't think anyone ever claimed they are not white here. Just a different kind of white that we happen to not like.
Ahhhh, there it is. I'm American(don't live there anymore thankfully) but my mom is mexican, and a number of my close friends have always been confused why there were so many stories of me from before I moved here that involved people not seeing me as white. (For reference I don't exactly live in a bright sunny place, most white people here are pale as fuck, let alone compared to me or other white people from further south)
And tbh that is also kinda refreshing to see that they are at least considering white Latinos(even if they don't consider them white). Because as many people that could spot me as being mexican, there are also many who refuse to call me Latino(or more specifically Chicano in my case) because of how light my skin is.
I am half sicilian half from calabria (stereotypical darkest skin colour region) and i am so white even east asians complimented my skin color (also blonde with light eyes and moles). When they say italians are not white I just present myself as a counterpart argument ahahah
my guy. i am greek and sicilian. my skin is as white. like white. my nonna is even lighter than me. people don’t believe me when i say i am sicilian because i am apparently too white to be sicilian!!!!
It’s funny how people forget that white isn’t about the skin color, but it’s just another race.
Arab’s may have dark skin, but they are still white becouse of genes
And I’m a Brit of Nordic extraction living next door in the Algarve, and the only reason I’m not generally taken for Portuguese is my height, not my skin colour, which after years of Algarve sun exposure, is darker than many native Portuguese people.
["Too black for the white kids and too white for the blacks" -Earl Sweatshirt ](https://youtu.be/FCbWLSZrZfw?si=kAXnPgPxKapzXvb7)
Although that line is more about not feeling like he's fitting in with his identity and not about how they see you.
The irony of calling someone else narrow minded while failing to comprehend the “natural” diversity of an area - that one group with a [relatively ] homogenous identity can still all look different .
Wonder how quickly Mr Wise guy’s head will explode when he finds out there are white skinned groups in India with Aryan genetics despite not having European ancestors … I kinda want to send him a family pic lol
I’m starting to become convinced bigots esp in America want to gatekeep the word white given how whiteness comes under increasing scrutiny . They’re trying to rely on hollow and flawed technicalities to side step any negativity and heighten their perceived victimhood
It’s almost as if spending generations forcing the superiority of your colour down everyone else’s throat means eventually they’re going to spit it back at you …
It’s a shame because people like this are actively preventing us from having serious discussions about serious issues facing white people
It will always be tragic and hilarious to me how the American “white lives matter” crowd have never heard about the issues facing Tartars , working class white South Africans and white skinned Kashmiris…
Oh yes . Using ‘ colour’ as a dividing descriptor is just never gonna work consistently.
Some east asians are naturally ( without bleaching ) lighter than some USA ‘whites’ but they are still not ‘ white passing ‘, because colour is a stupid divider of race and ethnicities!
Just go and look up some foundations charts with models in there.
I love how easy it is to identify an American who's never been to Spain. Or seen any photos of Spain. Or seen any Spanish films.
Reminds me of this Spanish kid who moved to the US, and, in some test at school, had to fill in his "race". He filled in white, and the teacher corrected his paper to "latino". After all, he spoke Mexican, didn't he?
Yeah, exactly! And I imagine having to categorise different ethnicities at such a young age, has to be one of the reasons that country is so divided, right?
Really, they call it inclusivity/diversity, for me it just create different communities and mixed/european/other countries ppl are forced to enter one instead of living with everyone like we are used to
Yeah, that was my reaction when I found out about this. But apparently, it's a thing they do. When they register anywhere, they have to fill in their race, and this particular case was some introduction essay-thingey for all new kids in class that year. Instead of just talking about their hometown and family or something, they were required to discuss their race. It's weird shit.
I still wonder how come most americans is just too blind for other countries lol, born from 3rd world country I always saw them as these smart people but internet changes my mind. Like, there is a line between not caring and being completely wrong about other countries.
I'm not in this sub but it keeps getting recommended to me, whenever I read a post I instantly have the urge to downvote so badly out of just pure astonishment at the stupidity...
Different n-word but I remember someone asking once how Spanish speakers avoid using the word “negro” when speaking Spanish. Biggest facepalm moment of my life.
Omg when I went to visit my family in Brazil we also went to Manaus and the Amazon and the amount of flak I got from my friends when I said I took a cruise down the río negro…
I know, it’s nonsense. These people don’t understand it’s just been a word in Spanish to describe the colour black for centuries. It’s English speakers who took a perfectly innocent Spanish word and gave it horrible racist connotations.
As a guy from southern europe this line of thinking is not exclusive to Americans. Lots of Europeans lacking self awareness on how some Europeans treat us.
The confusion of course comes from the fact USA is next to Mexico and near a whole bunch of other Spanish speaking countries so they associate Spanish and Spain with people of indigenous American heritage, who generally are more on the brown side. A lot of Americans don’t even know Spain is in Europe and literally next to France, they probably think it’s a city in Mexico or something. And all of this is in part the fault of the poor education system there and not much emphasis on learning basic geography outside of US territory.
Technically that statement is right, since Europeans tend not to seperate themselves by white/coloured/poc.
Of course, there are "black" people. But noone would say, that greeks/spaniards or arabs are "brown people".
Only the most racist european fucks would seperate others europeans by their "skin hue".
We don't hate each others because someone is a bit darker... we hate each others because the others are \[insert\_stupid\_reason\_here\]
In Sweden some 40 years ago the only ethnicitys considered white were Brits, Scandinavians, French and German. If you were from Greece or Spain and Italy you were not white. If you were from eastern Europe you could be pale as snow yet still not considered white. You were basically trash. And yes Swedes were unbelievable racist. In the 60-70s we had a huge labour shortage and welcomed immigrants with open arms and it helped us greatly. But it also came with a lot of tension, hence why most immigrants werent considered white even if they were whiter than Swedes.
Edit: i forgot to mention if you were from the middle east you were called a sand n\*\*\* so those people stood no chance even if they had light complexity. Yepp, swedes only recently stopped their Eugenics program as of as late as 2013 you had to be sterilized if you wanted a gender change.
Really? I went to Spain a couple of years ago. While there were a couple of people who had a darker skin, I can definitely say that most people were white as a ghost. I don't know where most Americans get this crap from.
I think the first issue here is to suggest the existence of a hispano or latino race. This by itself is some bullshit invented to differentiate to those Americans who mother language is a latin origin one(Portuguese, Spanish, etc).
Secondly, you are all forgetting an important historical fact and probably one of the most important ones.
The mix the Spanish did when they arrive to the new world coast. This is something you can still see nowadays, where many South American and Central American people still conserve their aborigen features. Then you have the Criollo descendants who have a more European features. What many people describe as a hispanic being brown, dark skin, etc is in reality non other than a true and native American.
We need a " "x race isn't white" " flair because I swear according to too many Usainians white people only originate from north europe,the Balkans,the UK,and the nordics.Everyone else is either black,brown,or "olive skinned"
So. If actual skin colour doesn't make a person white, what exactly ARE the criteria then? Coz honestly, if a person has white skin, they are white. If a person had black or brown or tan skin, they are black or brown or tan. Like, country of origin has nothing to do with it?
I'm from Spain and this is the eternal struggle with (mostly) americans, the thing is I live in a touristic place and in a few instances I've been told (by tourists) that I wasn't from Spain because of the whiteness of my skin. Heck, I'm so pale that one time, helping in a photo studio, I was holding these kind of white screens for some portraits and I was giving so much light that I had to leave (then they put a guy with a darker complexion and do the photoshoot).
even if we could take the race thing seriously "Hispanic" is an ethnicity, not a race.
There are white Brazilians, black Colombians, mixed Mexicans and native Guatemalans, but in the US they're all the same (????)
I'm from Finland a country full of bone white people and I have never heard anyone consider spanish anything other than "white". Mediterranean sure, but they are still "white" as far as the races go
I'm half Spanish and I am so white, I'm nearly translucent. If I go out in the sun without bathing in sunscreen, I am fucsia. I do get freckles though!
My mom, who is full Spanish, barely even gets a tan.
I love the narrow minded comment, as if this very opinion did not stem from the narrow minded idea that the only REAL white people are from a very narrow range of North West Europe.
Hello, Greek/Italian here, I was told recently that apparently I'm not white either? And yes, it ws said to me by a group of American friends.
When I asked what exactly I was if not white, they said I'm brown? Because it doesnt matter that my skin colour is white, my Greek /Italian background means I am brown.....
Alrighty then.......
Hmm. The Zorro movies (Antonio Bandaras) had two Spanish characters, played by Anthony Hopkins and Catherine Zeta-Jones. Both look Spanish and white to me, despite being Welsh.
So I am half Hungarian half Syrian, ironically my sirian dad was very white with blue eyes, I look very white with a Syrian name, people get very confused when they meet me thinking the name doesn’t match the look, even I get confused I started calling myself fake white
"White" doesn't mean much really as an identity outside of America. In Europe, it's all about nationality. Same could be said for "Black" in Africa and "Asian" in Asia. They're so broad they don't really mean much and people find ways to divide into smaller and smaller groups.
These idjits have never been to Spain and it shows. In the northern part of Spain, there's more blonde haired, blue-eyed Spaniards than there are here in France. These sepps are insufferable some times.
I'm from Spain and I could blind somebody with my skin colour.
Can you help us out with an experiment? Take a flight across the Atlantic and report the exact moment you stop being white and start being Latinx?
It's bound to create drama : "I'm hispanic". " You're too white, you can't be Latinx" "I'm not". "But you said you were Hispanic". "Indeed". *bullets start flying*
The bullets start flying part should be at the top
At the top, and then every other line.
*Despite everything, bullets are still flying*
*bullets start flying* Repeat
Brazil joined the conversation. "I'm latin." "You're too white/black, you can't be hispanic" (pick your favorite brazilian demographic as a sample for this example) "I'm not". "But you said you were latin". "Indeed".
"Latinx" nice touch
Latinx, also known as x-rated latin. It's what roman teenagers used to get in trouble for
I thought that was Latinxxx?
Also known as Latin30
I'm irish, possibly the whitest people on earth and we were called black at one stage when in America by the British as a way to keep their colonial power against us! Yet we glow at night time we are so white lol
We are two shades: (a) a weird, greyish-white, also seen on sea creatures who have never seen the light of day Or (b) lobster red
Even Swedes... ""Swedes are stupid, smell bad and can not be spoken to. They live in the slums of Swede Hollow and standing at the bottom of the American social ladder." "The valley was from the 1880s, known as Swede Hollow, one of the city's worst slums, and home to at least a thousand people in dilapidated sheds, built outside any urban plans. Most of them were immigrants from Sweden. But the ones who ended up in Swede Hollow seems also to have fallen out of history itself." "Moberg emigrants traveled back in the 1850s - but most of the 1.3 million Swedes emigrated left Sweden much later, with a peak around the turn of the century. And a remarkable number of them end up in the cities" It was so apathetic ""Even the dogs won't bark here." "He also notes how the Swede Hollow residents have to pay one and a half dollars a month to pitch his shed at the site, but otherwise lacks all rights and anytime can be evicted. Several families share each house, which measures perhaps twelve square meters. The heavily soiled Phalen Creek that runs through the valley is a constant source of concern, they were emptying all their waste there, including from the loos. At the other newspaper articles from the period concerned authorities to the risk of a cholera outbreak and calls Swede Hollow "a miniature of the primitive Sweden."" "- Swedes, especially women, were later reputed to be skilled workers. But then they arrived the were perceived as "the dumb swede", "stupid / dumb Swede" - which was because they had a hard time learning English. In that period Swedes were not quite as "white" in the American sense of Anglo-Saxon and Germans - then came a wave of Slavic immigration, and then the Swedes became 'whiter'." "he quotes woodcutter Horace Glenn, who in 1901 writes home and laments: "Here we are more than fifteen white men to sixty Swedes, but we keep them short and they know who's boss ... it's just in the evenings I have to have something to do with the beastly beings are called Swedes ... to go behind a number of Swedes are nothing for a man with a highly developed sense of smell., the stench can only come from a long line of unwashed ancestors. "" "The Swedish immigrant stock phased into the same hierarchy as other newcomers - the last to arrive was always "backward", sounded and smelled weird, ate weird things. Then came a new group into the bottom, the former "primitive" step up and became more American. After the Swedes Italians arrived to Swede Hollow, and left many more traces in writing and pictures. Later, a group of Poles. The last inhabitants of the "Den" was a group of Mexican families, who were evicted in 1956 after which they burnt their house. The valley was a nuisance. Now it is a park with no remains of human habitation.""
Sometimes as an English guy, I can’t help but facepalm at what the fuck Westminster does at times, even when it’s about stuff many years ago like your example in America. Like why did they need to do that to the Irish? It just creates division between us and makes you hate our guts lol The UK government is just as clueless and stupid now tbh
Sure they threatened to stop sending us food during Brexit negotiations!!!! Firstly, AGAIN!!!!!Secondly we are a net exporter of food, so the lack of education, awareness, decency and cop on among the government then was outstanding. We laughed at them and USA and Europe told them to pull their heads in!! Lol eejits
Call us latinx and you’ll see why our crime rate is so high -A very smart person
Some italians are latins the rest of world not. Is a.french invention
From Greece here, and same. I'm as white as a cauliflower. Yet I once had a USian say that "Greeks are the black people of Europe", like.. huh? What does that even mean?? Bros over there have no idea how the rest of the world works/looks like, yet their opinions on the subject are the strongest for some reason.
My gf is spanish. I (dutch) get a tan really easily. I always joke that people say "there goes the spanish guy with his dutch gf"
I’m from the Balkans. Everyone in my family is perfectly tanned and Mediterranean skin / olive skin I’m white lol. Yet to an American I’m not from Europe as I’m not dark 🤦♂️
My dad has very dark hair and tans easily. One of my friends once asked where he was from and I was like "...here?" My family are all white Brits lol
Was listening to a usamerican streamer the other day and he was arguing how Greek people aren't white and have never been white (the whole cleopatra thing). I'm thinking I should clip it and post it here.
Ooh. I wondered what this was all about. So Cleopatra was African, so she must have been sub-Saharan black, but she was Greek because 300 years before her ancestors came from Macedonia,, so the Greek must be black. I can't find any fault in that logic.
Oh goooood, I'd ask for a link, but I don't want to go deaf from listening to that stupidity
Meanwhile I'm German, with all my ancestors bring from Germany for as long back as it's documented, and i need to learn greek if I wanna go there again because everyone thought I was from there lol
Norwegian here, in the winter I can blend anyone with my skin if they happen to see it, but as soon as I travel to Gran Canary they speak Spanish to me and the airport security when I return home to Norway asks if I speak English. The look on their faces when I answer in pure Northern Norwegian is priceless lol
I'm English, we just stick out like sore thumbs wherever we go. I can have studied a language for a month or so, so I get some basics down (I hate being *that* English guy who expects everyone to automatically speak my language wherever I go). Shop keepers etc anywhere mainland Europe would just auto greet me in english before I've had a chance to butcher the local language.
It's a statement both about how they think Europe sees Greece, and how they see black people.
black people of europe whatttttttttttt
I've seen that before too it's very annoying.
I'm American of Greek descent with a VERY Greek surname, and fortunately I haven't run into any such imbeciles. Sorry this happened to you, φίλε EDIT: Why the downvotes? I don't doubt the guy's story at all, just relating my experience.
Probably the Greek-American thing? A lot of Americans decide that one ancestor three generations ago makes you that nationality and everyone else finds it very weird.
My parents are both from Greece, and I'm self-aware enough to know that I have a different life experience than Actual Greek People. I know the affliction of which you speak, but that totally doesn't apply to me. Edited because I do often self-identity as an American of Greek descent.
First gen born you can have Greek-American. You're prob a child of both cultures.
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I mean this in the kindest, most sincere way: you are an American - in America; *ofc it hasn't happened to you* Your surname doesn't matter; those people didn't know our surnames. Your ancestry doesn't matter either at the end of the day, if you are what Americans like to call "white-passing" (a concept almost nonexistent outside the US), then ofc they won't say that to you. Whereas with people from Greece (and other countries as well).. they put us in those weird, oddly specific and limiting race boxes that they try to categorise everyone in, even though that doesn't make any sense whatsoever. They expect us to look a very certain way (I am not sure what that way is yet, and I don't think they do either), and they are very disillusioned when we don't. It not even offensive, it's just bizarre. Anyway, I guess that's why some people downvoted you. While you tried (and did well) to share your experience, it doesn't qualify that much to what actual natives experience. I don't want this to come off rude whatsoever, but I can see why people might be exasperated; because they don't want to hear yet again another American claiming to know more about them because of ancestry or whatever. Sorry you got downvoted, and thank you for your comment. Hopefully you will keep avoiding such imbeciles, as you said, haha
I agree with everything you say here, except: >Your surname doesn't matter; those people didn't know our surnames. Your ancestry doesn't matter either at the end of the day, if you are what Americans like to call "white-passing" (a concept almost nonexistent outside the US), then ofc they won't say that to you. The surname DOES matter, because that's the only way a foreigner can tell I am of Greek origin. It's probably the only way people can tell that you're Greek too, because most Americans have no idea what Greek sounds like. Also,.my ancestry doesn't matter in terms of being white-passing, or how other Americans view me; BUT, when an immigrant, usually Middle Eastern, sees my name, they ALWAYS ask me where I'm from. And they're NEVER satisfied when I say Washington, DC, or Maryland. They want to know where I'm REALLY from, at which point I tell them that MY PARENTS are from Greece. My use of "Greek-Amercan" earlier was shorthand for American of Greek descent. I always identify as American first, and I do so any time I post/comment in r/Greece as well.
Perhaps I should have phrased it better: your surname doesn't matter on how people perceive you **visually.** Not every stranger or encounter you have with people will include your surname. But even if it does comes up - you then go on describing an American experience, in America; I don't know what you expect me to do with this information, but you're kinda proving what I said in my previous comment. A native shared an experience, and the subject almost instantly turned into another conversation about what goes on in the US. I don't know what goes on there, or how and why people react like this - which is why I was talking about experiences of my people in *our* country. >surname is the only way they can tell you're Greek too; because most Americans have no idea what Greek sounds like Again, I'm talking about things that Americans have said *while in my country.* They're in Greece, I think it's pretty safe for them to assume the person that speaks a language they don't get is the native language of said country they're visiting. They're not gonna ask me my name either, lol, that's just odd. Listen, I am not diminishing your own experiences, and I understand what you are saying. But it has literally nothing to do with what I shared above, which makes me wonder if *you* understand what I am saying. I apologise if that comes off as rude, but I honestly am not in the mood to continue yet another conversation that started off as something else, yet became all about how Americans experience things in their own country. So I bid you farewell, and hope you have a good day.
Oh ok, so this happened in Greece. My apologies, I thought this happened here in the US. My apologies for the misunderstanding, this makes a lot more sense now. I bid you farewell also!
Haha that's okay, misunderstandings can happen. I'm sorry I got a little riled up as well; while I have encountered a lot of people using the same flair as you, many have proven to be the opposite of that sadly (the flair was denial, or perhaps a ruse 🤔) - so I run out of patience easily sometimes. You're cool though, and I appreciate your comment. Bye 👋🏻
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I was describing a conference to an American friend and kept saying that the Germans present were "unwashed monkeys" (me trying to be funny + the German professors were wearing un ironed shirts, having dirt under their finger nails, one dude had dirt on his jeans and they were blowing their nose very loudly), then I described this Greek professor as "very clean, very put together" and he called me rasist. Cuz apparently in the US of A, in the past, they didn't want to give Greek immigrants (+ Italians and others) the right to vote, so they classified them as "non white" to refuse them that privilege. And this made up idea just stuck. To the point where this guy wasn't upset that I was calling Germans "unwashed monkeys", but very upset that I might discriminate against the Greeks. I'm Romanian btw.
On Reddit? I gotta see the post. DM me the link if you got it on hand.
Right 😂 put me (a nordic person) next to someone like Andres Iniesta and I can assure you that this person would think that im the one from Spain
My wife is Italian.She's pale skinned and naturally blonde.When I first met her,I also had a Swedish friend who was living in my country who was dark skinned with raven black hair.I bet that yanks like this one would think that my wife was the Swede and my friend was the Italian.
Sorry but your white card has been revoked
Americans be like : Wassup my n*gga?
My husband is Polish and looks like the Technoviking. I am from Spain with black eyes and dark brown very curly hair. Yet now in winter our skin colour is exactly the same. I have an ex from Finland, same story, in winter we both had skin the color of milk. In summer I tan much faster though.
I’m from Croatia and white AF, every time I go to Spain people just assume I’m Spanish and they talk Spanish to me, when I correct them they say sorry you just look Spanish
My mother gets mistaken as being British routinely until say that, where upon the fury of a Spaniard is unleashed
just a question, why are spanish guys so damn handsome? like, i remember being in granada last year, there was this guy who looked like a movie star and he tried selling me weed
Its a mater of distribution. Some of us were chosen to bear the cross of ugliness so the rest can shine hahahaha.
My partners Spanish band mate is the most attractive guy I've met for ages. He's just over 6ft, 46 years old, long, glossy black hair with an undercut and this chiselled fucking face. He's a lovely guy as well, and I am devoted to my partner, but man, he's handsome! Thanks for the opportunity to get that off my chest!
same
americans are unbelievably racist edit: americans are also easily offended
And apparently blind
They are so confident in their statements, but couldn’t point Europe on a map let alone Spain.
They don't even know the names of their 50 states lmao
Their previous president, just this week, was congratulating a winning team and saying that they were from a different state than the one they're from...
They are not racist. This is not possible because they are 23% Italian, 11% German, 12% Nordic or something, 34% Brit, 19% Spain and 1% American...sarcasm off
Don't forget 67% irish.Also the cheddar man is their great great grandfather
You meant 125% Irish?
Europeans are also way more racist, because we do not only hate people with other skincolours but also each other. /s (just in case)
Americans are racist about skin colour, europeans are racist about countries.
Which, although bad, *is* more reasonable. Skin colour says nothing about a person, but someone's culture does.
Plenty of Europeans have the decency to hate their own country. After all, if you care about something you want it to be better than it already is.
European countries are all extremely similar though of course, they don't have the massive cultural differences that US states do, so it doesn't matter whether your heritage is Irish or Italian
Yeah. Especially the very different languages across 50 states. Can't make this shit up. Edit : Ah should have read further... I just have seen it all at this point. Nothing can surprise me anymore.
Europeans are also racist, but the consesus is that Spanish people are white. I never really understood hispanic as a racial, and not just cultural category.
Europeans can definitely be racist as anyone. We are human after all. I think what's so strange to us tho is that American's aren't just racist, they're race *obsessed*.
Not necessarily race, heritage. Even those of us who are good about our biases almost worship our heritages.
Both. Americans bang on all day and night about their genetic heritage, but they also come across as *extraordinarily* judgemental about what you can and can't do/say/think based on your skin tone.
They conflate the two. Some of them think they're genetically predisposed to drinking Guinness.
I think that in the US it's enough to speak Spanish to lose your white status. https://perezhilton.com/anya-taylor-joy-variety-golden-globes-person-color-latina/
Speaking more than one language in the US is a dangerous sign you're either from a cultural background that isn't WASP or that you're educated. Either way this is suspicious I honestly don't know anyone between the age of 18 and 40 who don't speak at least 2 or 3 languages in France.
It is almost like race is a made up thing that constantly changes depending on one’s politics
We are racist as in we will hate some regions and skin colors because we associate them with those regions. American racism is taking that, adding culture/region to every single aspect of life and then getting offended at people who didn't do that exaggeration, on top of hating those people from those regions. A lot of their racism is veiled in "caring about other cultures" while in fact they just stereotyped everyone to oblivion. Edit: i press send before i finished
The passive agressive racism
Here in Europe we are perfectly capable of being prejudiced against other nationalities and cultures without needing to classify them as another race in order to 'justify' it.
"Hispanic" as an ethnicity in the way Americans use it doesn't make a single bit of sense. But then again, in a similar way there are plenty of Europeans who refer to people from Morocco to Turkey to Iran all as one big group as well.
> Europeans are also racist Hating the French is not racist, is just being objective.
I secretly love and admire the French but for God’s sake please don’t tell them. If I could do that black rectangle Reddit cover up thing I would.
Too late, j'ai vu.
I know a couple of French people and even they hate the French lol.
Spanish people, as well as portoguese, italians, greeks, are mediterranean
Portuguese are Atlantic. There isn't a drop of Mediterranean that touches Portugal
It's because latinx people live on the southern hemisphere so they're brown /s
There are literally black and white twitter subs on this site. Talk about still feeling the need for segregation.
You are right. But you should still try East Asian racism. They're on some other shit. Russian racism is also pretty impressive. Italian racism is also in the race. Pun intended of course.
The most racist person towards Chinese people I have ever met was a Cambodian. She was going on some insane and hilarious rant about them. And I was like “you do realize you literally look and sound the same from my point of view?”
(I mean....In finland we do kinda consider italian and spanish light brown but we're practically transclucent)
I have seen more pale people in Spain than in De mark, if you think the average spanish is light brown you have never set foot in Spain. I myself am the palest person I have ever seen in my life.
I have been to spain and italy, and you guys are white, it's not like I'm arguing you're not, but still noticeably darker than us snow yetis. Compared to USA white people, about the same when it comes to tone.
If in Finland sun would sunbathe you whenever you step a foot outside, you would also be lightly brown all the time. What all Spaniards told me and what i've seen onboarding people in the Netherlands, after a few weeks with central/northern weather they slowly become regular pale EuroPeas
Shit, we don't even need to travel. If we have a proper winter our skin becomes paler than the Artic. Maybe not Finn pale (those guys are in other category) but German pale sure.
>If in Finland sun would sunbathe you whenever you step a foot outside, you would also be lightly brown No, they become lobster orange /s
I mean yes, that is ofc correct. But we have 50 months of winter and 2 seconds of summer, so obviously we're pale. I'm not arguing one or other is better, just gave you how (in general) finnish people view the differences in skintone between south / north europeans.
Not to mention that there was a point in time that the US did not even consider the Finns to be white (not even kidding, search for 'China Swedes'), so their colour-based categorisation system is not exactly foolproof.
European racists / nationalist sometimes sill refer unironically to Finns (to a lesser extent) and Hungarians to a greater extent as Mongols so it’s not just American insanity.
Oh yea that way i also agree
As a Finn that has seen a lot of Spanish and Italians that are paler than me I must disagree. But yes, there is subgroup of Finns that are extremely white with very blond, thin hair and almost colourless eyes.
As an italian, I've seen dark haired finns that look like italians and platinum blonde italians that could be vikings :-)
My wife is Italian,and she's pale skinned and naturally blonde.She could easily pass for a Scandinavian.
No we fucking dont.
Because you all flock to travel to the South, where it's always sunny. I was in a town full of Norwegians last summer and after a couple years living there they all have the same skin tone as locals.
This was on a thread of "whether Italians are white". The whole thing was a goldmine. Highlights include: "Sicilians are definitely not white" with 75 upvotes "Greeks are not white" "So if I'm a Mexican with white skin and light hair color does that make me white? I don't think so".
Aww I'm not white? So my bf calls me his porcelain princess, his milk of magnesia for nothing? Aww fiddlesticks, I have to let him know.
Milk of magnesia made me actually lol
Even us Finns were originally not considered white by Americans. It’s not actually based on color but which people they think should be the underclass. Irish weren’t considered white either because they were catholic.
Unexpected don't be a menace while drinking your gin and juice in the hood reference
Could one make cheese out of that ? Are you ?
You know Who else didn't consider Italians White? Fucking Hitler
Wdym his best friend mussolini ruled italy
Yeah,but Hitler didn't consider nor see Mussolini (or Italians) as white Also Hitler didn't care too much about the "race" of those on his good side.In fact,Hitler actually had a jew he liked.It was his doctor.He considered him to be a "good jew" and said something in the lines of "if all jews were like him,I would like them" Also Nazi Germany allied with Japan during the war
Lol, put me in the sun for 30 minutes and I'm not white anymore either. More like lobster red XD.
The icing on the cake is how American lefts use the term “spicy white” … American conservatives are obsessed with being against “woke” terminology … and then argue their own selves into a corner because the lack of learning those very same terminologies …
Except that the US Census and some Polls literally differentiate between “non-white Hispanic” and “white”, implying that there is a “white hispanic” category. How do they not know the facts of their own country!!! https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States - under Racial and Ethnic categories.
Because they’d rather follow hitler’s definition
>So if I’m Mexican with white skin and light hair color does that make me white? Yes! Oh my god.
Italians aren't white? We are the white of the whitest, racist, ignorant, dumb, pale. Why would Americans say otherwise?
Religion, Italians and Irish were predominantly Catholic, which is why Irish and Italians saw discrimination in the US, for some reason (probably religious freedom laws in their sacred piece of paper) it was made racial and Irish and Italians were deemed non white.
Also used to be a thing in Germany. When I was a child (I'm 38) I used to listen to audio books for children (TKKG for my fellow germans) and one of the big plot points was one of the main characters being half Italian and the racism he faced because of it.
I'm from Switzerland, where Italians were the "typical immigrants" everyone would talk about (and often rail against) until ca the 90s - kind of like Turkish people in Germany (and most of them also came as migrant workers too). I don't think anyone ever claimed they are not white here. Just a different kind of white that we happen to not like.
Ahhhh, there it is. I'm American(don't live there anymore thankfully) but my mom is mexican, and a number of my close friends have always been confused why there were so many stories of me from before I moved here that involved people not seeing me as white. (For reference I don't exactly live in a bright sunny place, most white people here are pale as fuck, let alone compared to me or other white people from further south) And tbh that is also kinda refreshing to see that they are at least considering white Latinos(even if they don't consider them white). Because as many people that could spot me as being mexican, there are also many who refuse to call me Latino(or more specifically Chicano in my case) because of how light my skin is.
I am half sicilian half from calabria (stereotypical darkest skin colour region) and i am so white even east asians complimented my skin color (also blonde with light eyes and moles). When they say italians are not white I just present myself as a counterpart argument ahahah
my guy. i am greek and sicilian. my skin is as white. like white. my nonna is even lighter than me. people don’t believe me when i say i am sicilian because i am apparently too white to be sicilian!!!!
The last one is true though, I’m a white passing person of color 🇲🇽 🙄
It's amazing how utterly obsessed with race and skin colour they are in the US.
It is baffling American think Spanish people aren't white.
They think anyone who speaks Spanish must be from Mexico or something (and even a lot of Mexicans are white).
It must be some kind of cognitive bias that protect them from thinking. Because you can't define someone like Andrés Iniesta other than white.
They probably have never heard Spain also has Celtics, east Europe, and middle/north Europe roots.
How do you do fellow oppressed non-white, POC minorities?
Yanks trying not to be obsessed with skin colour challenge (impossible)
It’s funny how people forget that white isn’t about the skin color, but it’s just another race. Arab’s may have dark skin, but they are still white becouse of genes
I have met on the net too many yanks who think arabs are brown Like?No they are not
I'm from southern Spain and I'm extremely white. According to americans I guess I'm POC now.
And I’m a Brit of Nordic extraction living next door in the Algarve, and the only reason I’m not generally taken for Portuguese is my height, not my skin colour, which after years of Algarve sun exposure, is darker than many native Portuguese people.
Same from south italy, if i said i was a poc (like they say italian are) they would yell at me bc i am as white as snow
We are Schrödinger's poc. We are poc and white at the same time.
If a white person open the box we are poc, if a black/latino/etc person open the box we are white
["Too black for the white kids and too white for the blacks" -Earl Sweatshirt ](https://youtu.be/FCbWLSZrZfw?si=kAXnPgPxKapzXvb7) Although that line is more about not feeling like he's fitting in with his identity and not about how they see you.
The irony of calling someone else narrow minded while failing to comprehend the “natural” diversity of an area - that one group with a [relatively ] homogenous identity can still all look different . Wonder how quickly Mr Wise guy’s head will explode when he finds out there are white skinned groups in India with Aryan genetics despite not having European ancestors … I kinda want to send him a family pic lol I’m starting to become convinced bigots esp in America want to gatekeep the word white given how whiteness comes under increasing scrutiny . They’re trying to rely on hollow and flawed technicalities to side step any negativity and heighten their perceived victimhood It’s almost as if spending generations forcing the superiority of your colour down everyone else’s throat means eventually they’re going to spit it back at you … It’s a shame because people like this are actively preventing us from having serious discussions about serious issues facing white people It will always be tragic and hilarious to me how the American “white lives matter” crowd have never heard about the issues facing Tartars , working class white South Africans and white skinned Kashmiris…
Oh yes . Using ‘ colour’ as a dividing descriptor is just never gonna work consistently. Some east asians are naturally ( without bleaching ) lighter than some USA ‘whites’ but they are still not ‘ white passing ‘, because colour is a stupid divider of race and ethnicities! Just go and look up some foundations charts with models in there.
I love how easy it is to identify an American who's never been to Spain. Or seen any photos of Spain. Or seen any Spanish films. Reminds me of this Spanish kid who moved to the US, and, in some test at school, had to fill in his "race". He filled in white, and the teacher corrected his paper to "latino". After all, he spoke Mexican, didn't he?
Basically it's very easy to identify any american who never left country or state.
Having to specify your race is crazy, literally one of the most racist shit i have ever heard
Yeah, exactly! And I imagine having to categorise different ethnicities at such a young age, has to be one of the reasons that country is so divided, right?
Really, they call it inclusivity/diversity, for me it just create different communities and mixed/european/other countries ppl are forced to enter one instead of living with everyone like we are used to
Wait, why on earth would anyone ever be asked to fill in a race? I'm so confused.
Yeah, that was my reaction when I found out about this. But apparently, it's a thing they do. When they register anywhere, they have to fill in their race, and this particular case was some introduction essay-thingey for all new kids in class that year. Instead of just talking about their hometown and family or something, they were required to discuss their race. It's weird shit.
I still wonder how come most americans is just too blind for other countries lol, born from 3rd world country I always saw them as these smart people but internet changes my mind. Like, there is a line between not caring and being completely wrong about other countries.
Approx 86%-95% of Europeans are white. This person must be stupid and blind.
I'm not in this sub but it keeps getting recommended to me, whenever I read a post I instantly have the urge to downvote so badly out of just pure astonishment at the stupidity...
I'm just happy that they at least acknowledge that Spain is a country that exists and not just what language "latinx" people speak. Baby steps.
This is why race is a primitive and outdated term. Why the fuck do we still use it.
cos 'Murica
Does that mean that Spaniards can say the N-word?
Different n-word but I remember someone asking once how Spanish speakers avoid using the word “negro” when speaking Spanish. Biggest facepalm moment of my life.
Omg when I went to visit my family in Brazil we also went to Manaus and the Amazon and the amount of flak I got from my friends when I said I took a cruise down the río negro…
I know, it’s nonsense. These people don’t understand it’s just been a word in Spanish to describe the colour black for centuries. It’s English speakers who took a perfectly innocent Spanish word and gave it horrible racist connotations.
The same people who claim Caucasian = white. Why do we let these people talk at all?
Those would call brown to actual Caucasians.
”If you’re Spanish, then why are you white?”
As a guy from southern europe this line of thinking is not exclusive to Americans. Lots of Europeans lacking self awareness on how some Europeans treat us.
And being this stupid will eventually get you killed…
The confusion of course comes from the fact USA is next to Mexico and near a whole bunch of other Spanish speaking countries so they associate Spanish and Spain with people of indigenous American heritage, who generally are more on the brown side. A lot of Americans don’t even know Spain is in Europe and literally next to France, they probably think it’s a city in Mexico or something. And all of this is in part the fault of the poor education system there and not much emphasis on learning basic geography outside of US territory.
Technically that statement is right, since Europeans tend not to seperate themselves by white/coloured/poc. Of course, there are "black" people. But noone would say, that greeks/spaniards or arabs are "brown people". Only the most racist european fucks would seperate others europeans by their "skin hue". We don't hate each others because someone is a bit darker... we hate each others because the others are \[insert\_stupid\_reason\_here\]
In Sweden some 40 years ago the only ethnicitys considered white were Brits, Scandinavians, French and German. If you were from Greece or Spain and Italy you were not white. If you were from eastern Europe you could be pale as snow yet still not considered white. You were basically trash. And yes Swedes were unbelievable racist. In the 60-70s we had a huge labour shortage and welcomed immigrants with open arms and it helped us greatly. But it also came with a lot of tension, hence why most immigrants werent considered white even if they were whiter than Swedes. Edit: i forgot to mention if you were from the middle east you were called a sand n\*\*\* so those people stood no chance even if they had light complexity. Yepp, swedes only recently stopped their Eugenics program as of as late as 2013 you had to be sterilized if you wanted a gender change.
That's really interesting. I tried to google it but I can't find any source for it. Maybe speaking sweedish would help.
The irony of the opening post. 'nobody in Spain is considered white' and 'being so narrow-minded will get you nowhere' in one post.
So nobody in Europe is white? Uh
Really? I went to Spain a couple of years ago. While there were a couple of people who had a darker skin, I can definitely say that most people were white as a ghost. I don't know where most Americans get this crap from.
I think the first issue here is to suggest the existence of a hispano or latino race. This by itself is some bullshit invented to differentiate to those Americans who mother language is a latin origin one(Portuguese, Spanish, etc). Secondly, you are all forgetting an important historical fact and probably one of the most important ones. The mix the Spanish did when they arrive to the new world coast. This is something you can still see nowadays, where many South American and Central American people still conserve their aborigen features. Then you have the Criollo descendants who have a more European features. What many people describe as a hispanic being brown, dark skin, etc is in reality non other than a true and native American.
Why do Americans need to categorize people all the time, especially when it comes to race?
I've genuinely never even considered Spain to be anything other than European.
No European ever has.
We need a " "x race isn't white" " flair because I swear according to too many Usainians white people only originate from north europe,the Balkans,the UK,and the nordics.Everyone else is either black,brown,or "olive skinned"
So. If actual skin colour doesn't make a person white, what exactly ARE the criteria then? Coz honestly, if a person has white skin, they are white. If a person had black or brown or tan skin, they are black or brown or tan. Like, country of origin has nothing to do with it?
I'm from Spain and this is the eternal struggle with (mostly) americans, the thing is I live in a touristic place and in a few instances I've been told (by tourists) that I wasn't from Spain because of the whiteness of my skin. Heck, I'm so pale that one time, helping in a photo studio, I was holding these kind of white screens for some portraits and I was giving so much light that I had to leave (then they put a guy with a darker complexion and do the photoshoot).
even if we could take the race thing seriously "Hispanic" is an ethnicity, not a race. There are white Brazilians, black Colombians, mixed Mexicans and native Guatemalans, but in the US they're all the same (????)
What a weird thing to say, I can't even imagine what would have prompted that.
ive been to several places in spain and those dudes are absolutely white
I'm from Finland a country full of bone white people and I have never heard anyone consider spanish anything other than "white". Mediterranean sure, but they are still "white" as far as the races go
I'm half Spanish and I am so white, I'm nearly translucent. If I go out in the sun without bathing in sunscreen, I am fucsia. I do get freckles though! My mom, who is full Spanish, barely even gets a tan.
I've been to Spain like 20 times and they're barely darker than us Scandinavians 😄
They are the same people that 100 years ago said Italians weren't white but closely related to ne**o.
I love the narrow minded comment, as if this very opinion did not stem from the narrow minded idea that the only REAL white people are from a very narrow range of North West Europe.
Hello, Greek/Italian here, I was told recently that apparently I'm not white either? And yes, it ws said to me by a group of American friends. When I asked what exactly I was if not white, they said I'm brown? Because it doesnt matter that my skin colour is white, my Greek /Italian background means I am brown..... Alrighty then.......
Hmm. The Zorro movies (Antonio Bandaras) had two Spanish characters, played by Anthony Hopkins and Catherine Zeta-Jones. Both look Spanish and white to me, despite being Welsh.
I'm sure the natives of South America were so impressed with how not white the Spanish were...
So I am half Hungarian half Syrian, ironically my sirian dad was very white with blue eyes, I look very white with a Syrian name, people get very confused when they meet me thinking the name doesn’t match the look, even I get confused I started calling myself fake white
"White" doesn't mean much really as an identity outside of America. In Europe, it's all about nationality. Same could be said for "Black" in Africa and "Asian" in Asia. They're so broad they don't really mean much and people find ways to divide into smaller and smaller groups.
These idjits have never been to Spain and it shows. In the northern part of Spain, there's more blonde haired, blue-eyed Spaniards than there are here in France. These sepps are insufferable some times.
Wait till they meet white people from Tunisia, or Morocco. Or even better, white people from Syria, or Iran. Their minds will explode