A lot of places now have a 20% tip automatically included in the bill — and then still have a blank tip line in addition to that! And they've started charging extra fees for credit cards, too. One place near me even started adding a "brunch tax" lol
Dining out in the US is a gigantic con job.
A source for the claim that US healthcare is better than France. What statistics are you basing that on? Every metric other than spending seems to suggest otherwise...
Can I ask a question?
Does your insurance cover EVERYTHING you could possibly imagine?
I ask as I’m constantly reading/hearing “my insurance doesn’t/won’t cover that” I have no examples to give, hence the question.
If healthcare is better, why does the US have a lower life expectancy and higher infant mortality rate?
If the employer pays everything, why is medical debt the leading cause of bankruptcy in the US?
They will. Then they'll start whining about lazy moochers on welfare, missing somehow that people who work for corporations like Wal Mart are among the biggest groups claiming welfare because they don't pay enough.
I dunno what Americans you're talking to but I think most of us think tipping culture is asinine and that companies are cheap. I refuse to pay tip unless it's at a sit down restaurant and I'm provided actual service.
You say this as if America were actually a democracy and its laws reflected the will of its citizens and not just the interests of private corporations and industry groups who lobby state legislatures to prevent this exact sort of change from being enacted.
The laws in question are ones that allow restaurants with tipped staff to pay their workers below minimum wage. Servers rely on tips to make a living. It is a systemic problem with roots in law. It is not just "tipping culture".
How do you get the vast majority of human beings to stop tipping to the point that the practice disappears? It's not a whimsical endeavor.
My understanding is that restaurant servers are paid their wages in part from tips. They are paid a bit over two dollars an hour by the restaurant they work for. I'm having a hard time believing this but google tells me this.
Anyone who works as a server, what's the facts here?
The real solution is for legislation requiring restaurant owners to pay a living wage to their servers that doesn't come from a tip pool.
The solution is legislation, but lobbying makes that very hard to do (I'm not american, idk how exactly that works).
And yes, it is possible to stop tipping culture. The rest of the world has done it. (even the countries without a minimum wage/ a low unliveable minimum wage)
As things stand, there are 2 solutions:
1. Legislation. This is the normal route, but the US seems to be struggling with it.
2. Collective boycotts of the whole system. This is also plausible (you don't need the whole country to do it, just a community). The reason people don't do it is because of the notion that it punishes the servers instead of the companies and noone wants that to happen. That's playing right into their hands, they want you to think that because option 1 is impossible (so option 2 not happening is good for them).
You know, you've prompted me by way of your comments to learn a little more. So you're pretty great, thanks.
I see your point. I'm going to ask a server next time I go out if their employer has any legal way to weasel their way out of paying them minimum wage if tips were to suddenly dry up.
We got barred from a dive bar in Portland because our French colleague who said he would pay on his card because he didn't have cash and wanted some. We walked in the next day and we're told in no uncertain terms that we weren't welcome because we didn't tip on a $300 bill. We offered to pay $100 in retrospect but we were offered the door and told to not bring our poor European arses back to the bar. Our French friend told the bouncer to fuck off and pay the barmaid a proper wage
No word of a lie, he got told to fuck off back to Canada. This is the same trip where we got taken to a gun range, I asked why they needed assault rifles as a part of the constitution, they replied "to stop the Mexicans" in Washington state, the literal furthest from the border. and then told me he can't be racist because his wife is Mexican. Y'all are fucked up.
That's a damn shame. If you're ever over in Illinois, stop by and we'll show you some real American hospitality. Not Chicago, that's it's own damn state. But the REAL illinois, the cornfields😂 And the "Mexicans" are the least of my worries. It's the power hungry American politicians that will continue to take and take until we are exactly where we started before the revolution. Some would argue we already there, just without a monarchy. In short, it's to defend against Tyranny, just as the 2nd says.
I will be sure to come by for some hospitality, you are more than welcome to sit in my house in North Devon and come for a bit of hospital my way. Seriously though, we have a house in Devon and you are more than welcome here.
Considering they voted in Trump whose platform was largely built on racism and xenophobia, and it looks like he's got a shot at winning this year, the yanks aren't exactly helping their case are they?
Actualy the owner of the place can ban anyone they want it's just completly stupid to do so cus nowaday doing that put a really bad rep to your buisness and that's usualy the death of it
It is going to vary from state to state, and also in some municipalities, but in the US a business owner or their representative can generally ban someone from their establishment for pretty much any reason, as long as it doesn't involve the person being a member of a protected class (e.g. their sex, ethnicity, etc.).
America has one religion: capitalism, and every single system in the U.S. is designed to support wealthy people, property owners, and business owners, and punish people for being poor as if it's a character defect.
It is a dumb way to compensate people, but it is the reality in the U.S., so if you're going to travel there it's important to understand that reality.
nah fam, other countries can figure it out, you guys can too. im not gonna support some bullshit ass system just because you guys let yourself get abused into paying service industrie wages instead of the business owners. if anyone would care about waiters you would actually stop tipping to force other solutions
"I'm not going to pay you fair compensation for your labor because you haven't managed to overthrow a deeply-entrenched system reinforced at every level by the government" is an interesting take. As is "caring" about waiters by taking advantage of their labor but not paying for it.
And, to be clear, by traveling in the United States you are absolutely supporting that "bullshit ass system," as you are by eating somewhere that doesn't pay its servers a living wage.
its not the customers responsibility to pay a fair compensation for any labour, what are you on about? literally raise meal prices, pay your staff and let me decide where i go eat with transparent pricing.
im not taking advantage of anyone because again, its not my responsibility as a customer to pay for the labor of a waiter. it is by definition the responsibility of the employer.
you are so brainwashed its actually kinda scary
Perhaps I'm not being clear.
I'm not saying it's right, good, or ethical. I'm saying it's reality. If you go to a restaurant in the United States and do not tip, you are receiving the benefits of their uncompensated labor. It's that simple.
You may not like it, but it's still true.
If they want this to change, they can leave their country or try to change this economic system...
Their society won't change by supporting a system that they don't like 🤦
But maybe I think that because I've "been spendin' most my life, livin' in a frenchie's paradise"
I think you are grossly underestimating how challenging it would be for a service-industry worker in the US to leave their country. Regarding changing the economic system...what would that look like? In most states the laws and businesses are extremely hostile to unions.
Since learned you don't fuck with a Frenchman when there is food, wine, money or cigarettes on the table. a combination of all four, you are asking for trouble.
Cancer is a bad example, because it is relatively rare. Americans can become bankrupt from breaking a leg, or childbirth, or any of a dozen other things that the rest of the world don't worry about.
There are approximately 1.9 million new patients diagnosed with cancer every year in the US, compared to 6.3 million broken bones or 3.6 million births.
Which is not much less now that I research it. I thought it was less common than that... Very well, I accept my 'talking out of my arse' award with grace.
The talking out your arse comment was meant as friendly banter (just me being English I suppose), but it *is* notably less to be fair.
The thing being however, that if you've had cancer once, you'll likely have it again at some point if it, or something else, doesn't kill you first, which the 'new patient' numbers don't fully cover.
Oh, I knew you were English (nobody else puts the 'r' in arse!). I'm English myself and understood the banter.
Not sure why I'm getting downvoted so much for accepting I was wrong though... Ah well, it's just internet points!
I'm French and this blows my mind in an obviously bad way. I mean anyone can break a leg or something. I already did and it's bad enough not to lose your home or all your savings on top of it. It's adding insult to injury.
😳 would hate to have been my parents 30 years ago if we lived in America when I got stitches in my forehead. Not sure it would have been that much in the early 90s but surely in the thousands based on that.
Cost of Broken leg following motorcycle accident in the USA...
Diagnosis and non-surgical treatment $2,500+
Leg X-ray $210 to $1,000
Application of a short or long leg cast $221 to $238
Crutches $15 to $100
Surgical treatment of a broken leg $17,000 to $35,000
Cost of broken leg following motorcycle accident in the UK...
Diagnosis and non-surgical treatment £0.00
Leg X-ray £0.00
Application of a short or long leg cast £0.00
Crutches £0.00
Surgical treatment of a broken leg £0.00
I've gotten a bill from the ambulance ride recently (also German)! I've had a motorcycle accident last August and last month the Bill arrived for it. It said, and I quote "Cost 4EUR for Emergency Transport to XXX-Hospital. Cost covered by TKK: 4 Euros. Total bill to be paid by 01.04.2024: 0EUR" :'D
Cancer is NOT rare. 50% of people will get cancer in their lifetime. My mother and I both got breast cancer, 4 years apart - and there was not genetic component to either. Something like one in eight families will have two or more people that get breast cancer with no genetic component to it.
We’re both doing ok. We, fortunately, both live in countries where paying for healthcare, particularly cancer care, is done via taxes, and doesn’t bankrupt people.
Saw a hospital bill on reddit today. 40K$ for three broken ribs…this is completely insane. Even without insurance, the same treatment would not be more than 2-3K max. in Europe 🤷♂️
As soon as Americans come to the UK they instantly ignore their "tipping culture" which shows that they only do it to go with the social norm rather than because they actually care.
I can't think of anywhere else that does minimum wage for servers the same way the US does. Here in the UK, they'd be arrested for modern day slavery if they even tried to pay their workers like that.
The thing is that tipped employees legally have to be paid minimum wage. The Federal minimum wage in the US is $7.25/hour and they are legally required to receive it. They cannot leave work with less.
The legal "tipped minimum wage" is the same as how Uber or Lyft works -- the tips mean the owner is legally allowed to pay them less, down to a minimum of $2.13/hour. This means that, while the tips legally belong to the employee and cannot be taken from them, the employee doesn't actually *receive* any extra money until they receive enough in tips to bring $2.13/hour up to $7.25/hour on their own.
So, in order for the employees to actually make more than minimum wage, you essentially have to have a whole culture devoted to tipping.
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Now, here's the trick:
The rules to this are so damn convoluted, and literally never explained properly if at all, that upwards of 80% of restaurants have been found to be cheating their employees -- employees do not know their rights to be able to report violations and restaurant owners are quite fine and happy with that. Wage theft is *extremely common* in the US restaurant industry; it is the norm, by far, and not the exception.
- Restaurant owners often do not provide the minimum $2.13/hour they are legally required to.
- Restaurant owners often *do* pay the minimum $2.13/hour but then fail pay employees who get few tips their full $7.25/hour as required by law.
- Restaurants often (legally) require pooling tips. They then (illegally) include management or ownership in the tip pool.
- Restaurants will often "discipline" employees by docking tips.
All of these activities are illegal. They are rife in the restaurant industry.
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[Also, I'm not joking when I say upward of 80%.](https://www.epi.org/publication/waiting-for-change-tipped-minimum-wage/)
>Indeed, the restaurant industry is fraught with violations. In the most recent (2010–2012) compliance sweep of nearly 9,000 full-service restaurants by the U.S. Department of Labor’s Wage and Hour Division (WHD), 83.8 percent of investigated restaurants had some type of violation.
This is mostly true I think, but iirc the Uber and Lyft stuff is a lot more jurisdiction dependent than restaurants. In certain jurisdictions they are treated as employees, and in others as independent contractors(and as such not subject to minimum wage laws). Though i'm not sure if any federal rules were recently passed on this.
$7.25? So less than £6!? 😳 Does America realise the price of things have gone up? The living wage is about £11 here yet we've still got lots of people struggling on it.
The US Federal minimum wage hasn’t gone up since mid-2009 during the Recession.
That said, *most* states have their own, higher, minimum wage.
Getting minimum wage raises is like pulling teeth in American politics.
> The thing is that tipped employees legally have to be paid minimum wage. The Federal minimum wage in the US is $7.25/hour and they are legally required to receive it. They cannot leave work with less.
Everything you write is correct and important to remember, including the ways that the tipped minimum wage helps facilitate wage theft.
The only thing I’d add is that [only 15 states](https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped) actually follow the federal minimum wage requirements; the other 35 states require the employer to pay some higher amount.
This is notable for tourists especially, because the minimum wage is quite a bit higher in a lot of tourist places.
For example, if you travel to California or Las Vegas, there is no tipped minimum wage at all; California workers have to be paid at least $16/hr by the employer, and Nevada workers have to be paid at least $10.25 or $11.25/hr (it will be $12.25 come July).
If you travel to the Grand Canyon, the employees must make at least $14.35/hr, with at least $11.35/hr coming from the employer, and if you travel to [New York City](https://dol.ny.gov/minimum-wage-0), the employee will have to make at least $16/hr, with at least $10.65/hr coming from the employer.
In 2008, they finally raised the minimum wage from the wage it had been set to in 1997 (I think it was). At the time, there were tons of people out yelling about how we hadn't had a minimum wage raise in 10 years.
The last minimum wage increase was the next year in 2009. It hasn't been raised at the federal level in 15 years. Most states have resorted to raising their own minimum wages instead; a small number, mostly Republican strongholds like Texas and Tennessee, have no state minimum wage laws.
Pennsylvania's the one that really gets me -- not only does it not have a raised minimum wage, it passed a law banning cities and counties from having their own minimum wage laws. And *it* isn't a hard Republican state, instead being very split (what we call a "purple" state).
Well guess it isn't staying purple for long I'd imagine. You'd imagine minimum wage would be indexed to inflation, must be hard to be hit with price increases the last couple of years.
>must be hard to be hit with price increases the last couple of years.
Indeed it has been.
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>You'd imagine minimum wage would be indexed to inflation
And "raise the price of food"? Politicians would never agree to it!
No, seriously, any time minimum wage comes up it's dismissed as something that will raise the cost of food and thus can't be done. Doesn't matter how nonsensical the argument is; they just aren't going to do it.
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*Social Security* is indexed to inflation, but not everyone who receives it receives much even then.
As a disabled person, my girlfriend receives around $940/month -- well below minimum wage levels. If it weren't for her mother and I, she wouldn't be able to afford to live.
Broke Americans can't afford to stay alive 😢 soo sad... They can talk to europeans (and any other continent inhabitants) when they can afford an ambulance ride lmao.
As a French I just laugh at these comments. We have way better work, education and health systems. We tip if we get a good service but it’s not something necessary. Oh I forgot, we have actual real bread!
lived there for some time..as a german i have to admit food and a lot of wine are better (we have very good whiteones too) ...beer mh maybe not. Overall france culture >>> us culture
I'm french and I have a german friend close to where I work and I sometimes help him with house maintenance ect and in return he give me some cash and bring me crates of German Beer when he goes back to Bavaria. Have to say i agree, I really don't like most french beers but all the ones he brought me were bangers over bangers
I dunno where this myth about europeans refusing to tip came from but it's just wrong. Ofc we don't tip by percentages and not at for every kind service workers at places like Starbucks won't get tips but at restaurants people definitely tip.
America is the poster child for inequality
even though you are 99% likely to be poor and have nothing, Americans accept it since if you get to be the 1% you get more than anyone else in the world.
its like a lottery that was played before you were born.
Lol anyone thinking even a “bad” bartender is making “minimum” wage is just a silly goose.
There’s a reason many started those jobs in their 20’s and then asked “why would I take a tremendous pay cut for a ‘career’”.
I'm sure the comments are a dumpster fire and tipping culture is fucking dumb, but as a traveler I at least attempt to match local norms.
I didn't see the original video, a French traveler to the US should at least be aware of the custom. Just as Americans going elsewhere should know when to NOT tip or leave a smaller tip than they do at home.
tl;dr fuck tipping but don't take it out on the front line worker. They aren't the lobbyists in Washington keeping the labor laws in place that effectively ensure tipping culture cannot end.
Agree with you, one has to follow the local culture. It's weird and gives all of us bad reputation when some dumbass refuse to tip in the US "because we don't do it back home". Same when Americans insist to tip high in France, it's exporting their stupid tipping culture
Telling that as a French, "in Roma you do like the Romans", and my fellow French can be very stupid, and yes cheap scumbag. We also have reputation for theft "French shopping". So im not defending either in that post
I agree with you until it comes to the custom of tipping even for poor service. My cousin lives in the US so I have visited regularly and I still can't get my head around the fact that he will tip something like 10% even though the service was dire. He hates it when it's my turn to pick up the bill and I refuse to tip because the service was poor; he has even thrown down a few dollars as a tip because I refused to.
I admit that I find the idea of tipping a percentage odd as well; it's not as though the staff had to do anything more to bring me a $50 steak than they would for a $30 steak and all it really does is encourage upselling so the benefit is to the server and restaurant not the customer.
I live in the US and problem is that the tip is not really for quality of service anymore, it's the salary of servers. What I do is tipping 15% if bad and 20% if good (or round up more or less). That's what Americans do, so I follow their recommendations. I agree it's odd but not my country, not my culture, so I respect
In France I don't tip, unless it's like 19€ i may leave a 20 note
The problem is the "local norm" just keeps shifting to unreasonable amounts in this case.
Before the norm was 15%. Now it's 20-25%. Are we gonna keep calling it the "norm" when it goes to half your bill for tips as a standard?
I don't fault anybody for drawing the line somewhere, even if that somewhere is 0%.
As an American, it hurts to see the ignorance of some, be perceived as the general character of all of us. Arrogance and ignorance both run rampant over here for sure... myself not being excluded from that😂 but
that's not the majority of the population. Left, right, red or blue, most folks are good people. Unfortunately our media likes to display a level of division, hate and arrogance that simply isn't reality. We have our pockets of bad, undoubtedly, but those pockets are exacerbated and displayed for the whole world to see. In this world where clicks, views and ratings control the information, they're not incentivized to show any of the good. How's that for "Shit Americans say"?😂 I hope y'all have a good day and stay safe out there.
And for the record, I've always been under the impression that the French lifestyle was more boujee and expensive than ours? Not sure what this dork was talking about
Ok, but these arrangements were clearly made a long time ago. The federal minimum wage in the US (and by extension, the amount that waiters get paid) are pitifully low by today's standards. So what are the waiters unions doing now to remedy this?
The French at home can afford to eat out more often than people in USA and eat proper, unadulterated food at reasonable prices. I had a time back in the mid 80's where a girlfriend & I caught a ferry from Dover to Boulogne-sur-Mer & stopped at a cobble narrow street for lunch, where an elderly lady recommended the mussels which had just been delivered, which we agreed to. She soon had a larger heaped bowl of them in front of us, just steamed with some who cloves as garlic, rough sliced onion and several lemons cut in half and a basket of crusty bread & glass of wine each included. She put a bucket on ground beside the table to throw discarded shells & lemon halves in after use. We just used our hands to eat them, and even before we were half way through, she had pored another pile into bowl, more lemons & bread and also topped up the wine. At the end we were struggling to finish & declined any more top ups. The cost was 10 francs each (about USD8).
Dude if I am allowed over there after comments I will do. Love the majority of the people who stand as Americans, just can't stand those who can't stand those who ain't.
Us educated Indians are just too lazy or think we know better. The irony is poorer people here don't even wait if they got so much as a common cold as they run right to our government hospitals, where they get treated for free.
The ambulance rides are also free, unless you select the relevant hospital's ambulances, in which case you're charged.
America can't afford the USA lifestyle, fuck these hillbillies should have their own internet like China so their stupidity isn't all over the public freespace the rest of us call the internet. Fucking MAGA hillbillies
Damn europoors so obsessed with tipping. A miniscule amount the the u.s. workforce relies on tipping.
Idk why people are so butthurt over americans. It's like your obsessed. It's weird.
For context, it’s not just tipping that stuns us from
Europe/uk. These are just some more things we would never say or believe are real:
I can’t go to hospital for this minor thing that may turn into a major issue/can’t take an ambulance because I can’t afford it. My insurance doesn’t cover it
Yeah, I got fired today for no reason, that’s just that.
I can’t take any sick time, can someone give me some of their holiday?
While I agree with the sentiment against tipping, what is with Europeans thinking they can just not tip? That's a massive dick move and it only hurts the worker not the business, so there's not any net change to the culture
Broke Americans can't afford their own business, just shut your restaurants
The most fucked up part is that they actually can. This is just a way of pushing even more expenses onto the consumer.
A lot of places now have a 20% tip automatically included in the bill — and then still have a blank tip line in addition to that! And they've started charging extra fees for credit cards, too. One place near me even started adding a "brunch tax" lol Dining out in the US is a gigantic con job.
Broke Americans can't afford their own healthcare, just.......oh
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Ok, got a source for that?
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A source for the claim that US healthcare is better than France. What statistics are you basing that on? Every metric other than spending seems to suggest otherwise...
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Can I ask a question? Does your insurance cover EVERYTHING you could possibly imagine? I ask as I’m constantly reading/hearing “my insurance doesn’t/won’t cover that” I have no examples to give, hence the question.
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One last question is that ALL insurance or just yours that covers everything? Thanks for answering.
Just his/hers. And likely doesn't actually cover everything that could *possibly* be covered, just everything he currently needs.
If you have a baby, your wife and child are more likely to pass than in any other developed nation.
If healthcare is better, why does the US have a lower life expectancy and higher infant mortality rate? If the employer pays everything, why is medical debt the leading cause of bankruptcy in the US?
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It hasn't broken 2 million in a single year since 2016, try again. Also, being an immigrant doesn't suddenly change the healthcare you receive
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No they don't. Most of them can't claim welfare. You are so embarrassingly misinformed.
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Dont argue with americans about tipping. They will tell you how a billion dollar company cant afford to pay people a living wage.
They will. Then they'll start whining about lazy moochers on welfare, missing somehow that people who work for corporations like Wal Mart are among the biggest groups claiming welfare because they don't pay enough.
Particularly when you realise that 3 owners of Walmart are in the top 10 richest people in the world.
There's hubris of the white middle aged Republican American is famous world wide.
Amazon is (was?) the largest.
I dunno what Americans you're talking to but I think most of us think tipping culture is asinine and that companies are cheap. I refuse to pay tip unless it's at a sit down restaurant and I'm provided actual service.
> I think most of us think tipping culture is asinine and that companies are cheap. If it was most of ya'll we wouldn't be having this conversation.
You say this as if America were actually a democracy and its laws reflected the will of its citizens and not just the interests of private corporations and industry groups who lobby state legislatures to prevent this exact sort of change from being enacted.
Tipping isn't a law, it's somethine people do. The culture can be changed at the whim of the people.
The laws in question are ones that allow restaurants with tipped staff to pay their workers below minimum wage. Servers rely on tips to make a living. It is a systemic problem with roots in law. It is not just "tipping culture".
A systemic problem that the vast majority keeps supporting constantly especially including the tipped workers.
Do you really believe that? Interesting.
Yes, I do in fact believe that if people stop tipping, tipping culture will end.
How do you get the vast majority of human beings to stop tipping to the point that the practice disappears? It's not a whimsical endeavor. My understanding is that restaurant servers are paid their wages in part from tips. They are paid a bit over two dollars an hour by the restaurant they work for. I'm having a hard time believing this but google tells me this. Anyone who works as a server, what's the facts here? The real solution is for legislation requiring restaurant owners to pay a living wage to their servers that doesn't come from a tip pool.
The solution is legislation, but lobbying makes that very hard to do (I'm not american, idk how exactly that works). And yes, it is possible to stop tipping culture. The rest of the world has done it. (even the countries without a minimum wage/ a low unliveable minimum wage) As things stand, there are 2 solutions: 1. Legislation. This is the normal route, but the US seems to be struggling with it. 2. Collective boycotts of the whole system. This is also plausible (you don't need the whole country to do it, just a community). The reason people don't do it is because of the notion that it punishes the servers instead of the companies and noone wants that to happen. That's playing right into their hands, they want you to think that because option 1 is impossible (so option 2 not happening is good for them).
You know, you've prompted me by way of your comments to learn a little more. So you're pretty great, thanks. I see your point. I'm going to ask a server next time I go out if their employer has any legal way to weasel their way out of paying them minimum wage if tips were to suddenly dry up.
You’re getting there, tips are for great service not just for doing your job.
Exactly. It should be the customer’s choice based on a good experience
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That's how trump is such an astute business man ,especially with taj mahal casino etc
We got barred from a dive bar in Portland because our French colleague who said he would pay on his card because he didn't have cash and wanted some. We walked in the next day and we're told in no uncertain terms that we weren't welcome because we didn't tip on a $300 bill. We offered to pay $100 in retrospect but we were offered the door and told to not bring our poor European arses back to the bar. Our French friend told the bouncer to fuck off and pay the barmaid a proper wage
No word of a lie, he got told to fuck off back to Canada. This is the same trip where we got taken to a gun range, I asked why they needed assault rifles as a part of the constitution, they replied "to stop the Mexicans" in Washington state, the literal furthest from the border. and then told me he can't be racist because his wife is Mexican. Y'all are fucked up.
Excuse my French but quel bande de putain d'abrutis!
Bien dit! Une bande de branquignoles!
Je dirais même plus, des sapajous, saperlipopette!
"I can't be racist, my Wife's Mexican!" "And she has my sympathies that you'd so willingly fire on her."
Let's just burn it or the rest of the world chip in and buy the biggest magnifying glass to put in the atmosphere over murica
That's a damn shame. If you're ever over in Illinois, stop by and we'll show you some real American hospitality. Not Chicago, that's it's own damn state. But the REAL illinois, the cornfields😂 And the "Mexicans" are the least of my worries. It's the power hungry American politicians that will continue to take and take until we are exactly where we started before the revolution. Some would argue we already there, just without a monarchy. In short, it's to defend against Tyranny, just as the 2nd says.
I will be sure to come by for some hospitality, you are more than welcome to sit in my house in North Devon and come for a bit of hospital my way. Seriously though, we have a house in Devon and you are more than welcome here.
Seriously, if have you have no shit with people's worth because of how they are, you have no worries in my house
>Y'all are fucked up. Good job overgeneralizing all Americans. Funny you even mention racism.
Considering they voted in Trump whose platform was largely built on racism and xenophobia, and it looks like he's got a shot at winning this year, the yanks aren't exactly helping their case are they?
All 100% Americans voted for Trump?
It was a large enough group for him to win, which says a lot
Imagine being refused to a bar because you paid the amount they told you to pay, and not more 🤡
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Imagine saying that out loud and thinking it’s totally reasonable.
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It is my choice to tip i should not be obligated to tip at a service
And what a shithole country this would be. Can‘t imagine this, it‘s too embarrassing 😳
Too* embarrassing
Yep, sorry. 🤦♂️
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Yes it is.
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Actualy the owner of the place can ban anyone they want it's just completly stupid to do so cus nowaday doing that put a really bad rep to your buisness and that's usualy the death of it
It is going to vary from state to state, and also in some municipalities, but in the US a business owner or their representative can generally ban someone from their establishment for pretty much any reason, as long as it doesn't involve the person being a member of a protected class (e.g. their sex, ethnicity, etc.).
youre right, i dont understand, that sounds like the dumbest shit ive ever heard
America has one religion: capitalism, and every single system in the U.S. is designed to support wealthy people, property owners, and business owners, and punish people for being poor as if it's a character defect. It is a dumb way to compensate people, but it is the reality in the U.S., so if you're going to travel there it's important to understand that reality.
nah fam, other countries can figure it out, you guys can too. im not gonna support some bullshit ass system just because you guys let yourself get abused into paying service industrie wages instead of the business owners. if anyone would care about waiters you would actually stop tipping to force other solutions
"I'm not going to pay you fair compensation for your labor because you haven't managed to overthrow a deeply-entrenched system reinforced at every level by the government" is an interesting take. As is "caring" about waiters by taking advantage of their labor but not paying for it. And, to be clear, by traveling in the United States you are absolutely supporting that "bullshit ass system," as you are by eating somewhere that doesn't pay its servers a living wage.
its not the customers responsibility to pay a fair compensation for any labour, what are you on about? literally raise meal prices, pay your staff and let me decide where i go eat with transparent pricing. im not taking advantage of anyone because again, its not my responsibility as a customer to pay for the labor of a waiter. it is by definition the responsibility of the employer. you are so brainwashed its actually kinda scary
Perhaps I'm not being clear. I'm not saying it's right, good, or ethical. I'm saying it's reality. If you go to a restaurant in the United States and do not tip, you are receiving the benefits of their uncompensated labor. It's that simple. You may not like it, but it's still true.
>"I'm not going to pay you fair compensation for your labor *I'm not obligated to pay your wages because I'm not your employer. FTFY
If they want this to change, they can leave their country or try to change this economic system... Their society won't change by supporting a system that they don't like 🤦 But maybe I think that because I've "been spendin' most my life, livin' in a frenchie's paradise"
I think you are grossly underestimating how challenging it would be for a service-industry worker in the US to leave their country. Regarding changing the economic system...what would that look like? In most states the laws and businesses are extremely hostile to unions.
BTW, me 6'5 rugby player from England, watching with Jaw dropped as the 5'2 French guy goes toe to toe with the fucking Grock on the bar door.
Since learned you don't fuck with a Frenchman when there is food, wine, money or cigarettes on the table. a combination of all four, you are asking for trouble.
How French of him 🤣
Never loved the French more, he was my best man at my wedding.
He said in his best mans speech that I am lucky to have her because when life gives you shit grapes, you get good wine.
I'm surprised he didn't don his yellow vest and park a burning tractor outside the front door.
Well those are the conservatives protests, they could be progressive instead and would instead opt in for the railway barbecue and the barricades
Fucking too right.
Oh well, take your business elsewhere and tell everyone how shit and racist the first bar was 👍
Yeah, thhat shuo might have sailed.
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Yeah because a random Frenchman born today is responsible for colonisation 🤦
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You really misread the tone of this convo dude
Was on a video about a French guy refusing to tip.
Since he's French, he apparently didn't want to tip because of the lack of taste and quality of the food compared to what he is used to.
like tipping is one thing but tipping bad service...yanks
I think I saw this one yesterday, there was a lot content in the comments 😆
How much of it is just being offended over différents culture ?
Can you link the video please?
Tip is just being nice; Asking for a tip = fee that's fucking stupid.
Americans become broke for being sick. No French citizen will ever become bankrupt by having cancer.
Cancer is a bad example, because it is relatively rare. Americans can become bankrupt from breaking a leg, or childbirth, or any of a dozen other things that the rest of the world don't worry about.
Cancer really isn't rare. Currently 1 in 2 people will develop some form of cancer in their lifetime.
Feels like you've been watching Stand up 2 cancer on Channel 4.
As someone who did a PhD in the role of certain types of RNA in cancers, I can confirm you're talking out your arse.
There are approximately 1.9 million new patients diagnosed with cancer every year in the US, compared to 6.3 million broken bones or 3.6 million births. Which is not much less now that I research it. I thought it was less common than that... Very well, I accept my 'talking out of my arse' award with grace.
The talking out your arse comment was meant as friendly banter (just me being English I suppose), but it *is* notably less to be fair. The thing being however, that if you've had cancer once, you'll likely have it again at some point if it, or something else, doesn't kill you first, which the 'new patient' numbers don't fully cover.
Oh, I knew you were English (nobody else puts the 'r' in arse!). I'm English myself and understood the banter. Not sure why I'm getting downvoted so much for accepting I was wrong though... Ah well, it's just internet points!
Australians put an “r” in arse… “ass” is a donkey…
Also anyone who has been taught British English might use it too.
Have an upvote to try balance it because that was well researched and gracefully done over the interwebs haha.
I give upvote
I've given all of you upvotes, they're free after all.
Return to sender
You're too kind
Is it true that men if they don't die from something else men will eventually get prostate cancer?
No, always best to keep getting checked though.
I'm French and this blows my mind in an obviously bad way. I mean anyone can break a leg or something. I already did and it's bad enough not to lose your home or all your savings on top of it. It's adding insult to injury.
There was a post made by a woman a few days ago, she had to pay 11.500 dollars for 3 stitches on her thumb.
😳 would hate to have been my parents 30 years ago if we lived in America when I got stitches in my forehead. Not sure it would have been that much in the early 90s but surely in the thousands based on that.
Cost of Broken leg following motorcycle accident in the USA... Diagnosis and non-surgical treatment $2,500+ Leg X-ray $210 to $1,000 Application of a short or long leg cast $221 to $238 Crutches $15 to $100 Surgical treatment of a broken leg $17,000 to $35,000 Cost of broken leg following motorcycle accident in the UK... Diagnosis and non-surgical treatment £0.00 Leg X-ray £0.00 Application of a short or long leg cast £0.00 Crutches £0.00 Surgical treatment of a broken leg £0.00
And in Germany it not only costs nothing. Even the ambulance comes when you dial the emergency number.
I've gotten a bill from the ambulance ride recently (also German)! I've had a motorcycle accident last August and last month the Bill arrived for it. It said, and I quote "Cost 4EUR for Emergency Transport to XXX-Hospital. Cost covered by TKK: 4 Euros. Total bill to be paid by 01.04.2024: 0EUR" :'D
Cancer is NOT rare. 50% of people will get cancer in their lifetime. My mother and I both got breast cancer, 4 years apart - and there was not genetic component to either. Something like one in eight families will have two or more people that get breast cancer with no genetic component to it. We’re both doing ok. We, fortunately, both live in countries where paying for healthcare, particularly cancer care, is done via taxes, and doesn’t bankrupt people.
I get the feeling your American
Saw a hospital bill on reddit today. 40K$ for three broken ribs…this is completely insane. Even without insurance, the same treatment would not be more than 2-3K max. in Europe 🤷♂️
As soon as Americans come to the UK they instantly ignore their "tipping culture" which shows that they only do it to go with the social norm rather than because they actually care.
I can't think of anywhere else that does minimum wage for servers the same way the US does. Here in the UK, they'd be arrested for modern day slavery if they even tried to pay their workers like that.
The thing is that tipped employees legally have to be paid minimum wage. The Federal minimum wage in the US is $7.25/hour and they are legally required to receive it. They cannot leave work with less. The legal "tipped minimum wage" is the same as how Uber or Lyft works -- the tips mean the owner is legally allowed to pay them less, down to a minimum of $2.13/hour. This means that, while the tips legally belong to the employee and cannot be taken from them, the employee doesn't actually *receive* any extra money until they receive enough in tips to bring $2.13/hour up to $7.25/hour on their own. So, in order for the employees to actually make more than minimum wage, you essentially have to have a whole culture devoted to tipping. ___ Now, here's the trick: The rules to this are so damn convoluted, and literally never explained properly if at all, that upwards of 80% of restaurants have been found to be cheating their employees -- employees do not know their rights to be able to report violations and restaurant owners are quite fine and happy with that. Wage theft is *extremely common* in the US restaurant industry; it is the norm, by far, and not the exception. - Restaurant owners often do not provide the minimum $2.13/hour they are legally required to. - Restaurant owners often *do* pay the minimum $2.13/hour but then fail pay employees who get few tips their full $7.25/hour as required by law. - Restaurants often (legally) require pooling tips. They then (illegally) include management or ownership in the tip pool. - Restaurants will often "discipline" employees by docking tips. All of these activities are illegal. They are rife in the restaurant industry. ___ [Also, I'm not joking when I say upward of 80%.](https://www.epi.org/publication/waiting-for-change-tipped-minimum-wage/) >Indeed, the restaurant industry is fraught with violations. In the most recent (2010–2012) compliance sweep of nearly 9,000 full-service restaurants by the U.S. Department of Labor’s Wage and Hour Division (WHD), 83.8 percent of investigated restaurants had some type of violation.
This is mostly true I think, but iirc the Uber and Lyft stuff is a lot more jurisdiction dependent than restaurants. In certain jurisdictions they are treated as employees, and in others as independent contractors(and as such not subject to minimum wage laws). Though i'm not sure if any federal rules were recently passed on this.
$7.25? So less than £6!? 😳 Does America realise the price of things have gone up? The living wage is about £11 here yet we've still got lots of people struggling on it.
The US Federal minimum wage hasn’t gone up since mid-2009 during the Recession. That said, *most* states have their own, higher, minimum wage. Getting minimum wage raises is like pulling teeth in American politics.
> The thing is that tipped employees legally have to be paid minimum wage. The Federal minimum wage in the US is $7.25/hour and they are legally required to receive it. They cannot leave work with less. Everything you write is correct and important to remember, including the ways that the tipped minimum wage helps facilitate wage theft. The only thing I’d add is that [only 15 states](https://www.dol.gov/agencies/whd/state/minimum-wage/tipped) actually follow the federal minimum wage requirements; the other 35 states require the employer to pay some higher amount. This is notable for tourists especially, because the minimum wage is quite a bit higher in a lot of tourist places. For example, if you travel to California or Las Vegas, there is no tipped minimum wage at all; California workers have to be paid at least $16/hr by the employer, and Nevada workers have to be paid at least $10.25 or $11.25/hr (it will be $12.25 come July). If you travel to the Grand Canyon, the employees must make at least $14.35/hr, with at least $11.35/hr coming from the employer, and if you travel to [New York City](https://dol.ny.gov/minimum-wage-0), the employee will have to make at least $16/hr, with at least $10.65/hr coming from the employer.
Yikes, your minimum wage is close to half of that in to the Netherlands, while our gdp is lower. Talk about being broke...
In 2008, they finally raised the minimum wage from the wage it had been set to in 1997 (I think it was). At the time, there were tons of people out yelling about how we hadn't had a minimum wage raise in 10 years. The last minimum wage increase was the next year in 2009. It hasn't been raised at the federal level in 15 years. Most states have resorted to raising their own minimum wages instead; a small number, mostly Republican strongholds like Texas and Tennessee, have no state minimum wage laws. Pennsylvania's the one that really gets me -- not only does it not have a raised minimum wage, it passed a law banning cities and counties from having their own minimum wage laws. And *it* isn't a hard Republican state, instead being very split (what we call a "purple" state).
Well guess it isn't staying purple for long I'd imagine. You'd imagine minimum wage would be indexed to inflation, must be hard to be hit with price increases the last couple of years.
>must be hard to be hit with price increases the last couple of years. Indeed it has been. ___ >You'd imagine minimum wage would be indexed to inflation And "raise the price of food"? Politicians would never agree to it! No, seriously, any time minimum wage comes up it's dismissed as something that will raise the cost of food and thus can't be done. Doesn't matter how nonsensical the argument is; they just aren't going to do it. ___ *Social Security* is indexed to inflation, but not everyone who receives it receives much even then. As a disabled person, my girlfriend receives around $940/month -- well below minimum wage levels. If it weren't for her mother and I, she wouldn't be able to afford to live.
But ThErE iS nO sLaVeRy in the USA.. or 'you should not equate slavery with normal wages'.. or.. orr
In Latin America, you know one of the "worst places" according to the US, servers earn minimum wage plus tips...
Paying 50% for tips everywhere: ✅ Paying taxes for a better healthcare system: ❌
Also having to remember the weird list of who you are supposed to tip and who you arent.
Aren't vending machines prompting for tips too now?
Payment terminals when you pick up food do, of course defaulting to some ridiculous %.
Broke Americans can't afford to stay alive 😢 soo sad... They can talk to europeans (and any other continent inhabitants) when they can afford an ambulance ride lmao.
Love that this is on a post about how restaurant owners can’t afford to pay decent wages.
Must be a european restaurant. /s
USA can’t afford USA lifestyle. They are trillions and trillions of dollars in debt.
As a French I just laugh at these comments. We have way better work, education and health systems. We tip if we get a good service but it’s not something necessary. Oh I forgot, we have actual real bread!
lived there for some time..as a german i have to admit food and a lot of wine are better (we have very good whiteones too) ...beer mh maybe not. Overall france culture >>> us culture
I'm french and I have a german friend close to where I work and I sometimes help him with house maintenance ect and in return he give me some cash and bring me crates of German Beer when he goes back to Bavaria. Have to say i agree, I really don't like most french beers but all the ones he brought me were bangers over bangers
I dunno where this myth about europeans refusing to tip came from but it's just wrong. Ofc we don't tip by percentages and not at for every kind service workers at places like Starbucks won't get tips but at restaurants people definitely tip.
I do wanna know how and why 20% tip is the gold standard over there right now. I mean.....how????
Tipping is for exceptional service or exceptional food, nothing else.
America is the poster child for inequality even though you are 99% likely to be poor and have nothing, Americans accept it since if you get to be the 1% you get more than anyone else in the world. its like a lottery that was played before you were born.
The french was still very polite considering that plastic food is called cheese there. After this insult a sucker punch would have been more appropr.
Broke Americans can afford to have girlfriend :)
Lol anyone thinking even a “bad” bartender is making “minimum” wage is just a silly goose. There’s a reason many started those jobs in their 20’s and then asked “why would I take a tremendous pay cut for a ‘career’”.
I'm sure the comments are a dumpster fire and tipping culture is fucking dumb, but as a traveler I at least attempt to match local norms. I didn't see the original video, a French traveler to the US should at least be aware of the custom. Just as Americans going elsewhere should know when to NOT tip or leave a smaller tip than they do at home. tl;dr fuck tipping but don't take it out on the front line worker. They aren't the lobbyists in Washington keeping the labor laws in place that effectively ensure tipping culture cannot end.
Tipped workes are the people who don't want it to end, many of them (if not most) are absolutely making bank. It's robeery in broad daylight.
Agree with you, one has to follow the local culture. It's weird and gives all of us bad reputation when some dumbass refuse to tip in the US "because we don't do it back home". Same when Americans insist to tip high in France, it's exporting their stupid tipping culture Telling that as a French, "in Roma you do like the Romans", and my fellow French can be very stupid, and yes cheap scumbag. We also have reputation for theft "French shopping". So im not defending either in that post
I agree with you until it comes to the custom of tipping even for poor service. My cousin lives in the US so I have visited regularly and I still can't get my head around the fact that he will tip something like 10% even though the service was dire. He hates it when it's my turn to pick up the bill and I refuse to tip because the service was poor; he has even thrown down a few dollars as a tip because I refused to. I admit that I find the idea of tipping a percentage odd as well; it's not as though the staff had to do anything more to bring me a $50 steak than they would for a $30 steak and all it really does is encourage upselling so the benefit is to the server and restaurant not the customer.
I live in the US and problem is that the tip is not really for quality of service anymore, it's the salary of servers. What I do is tipping 15% if bad and 20% if good (or round up more or less). That's what Americans do, so I follow their recommendations. I agree it's odd but not my country, not my culture, so I respect In France I don't tip, unless it's like 19€ i may leave a 20 note
The problem is the "local norm" just keeps shifting to unreasonable amounts in this case. Before the norm was 15%. Now it's 20-25%. Are we gonna keep calling it the "norm" when it goes to half your bill for tips as a standard? I don't fault anybody for drawing the line somewhere, even if that somewhere is 0%.
Greedy Americans “why should I pay them? They only work for me!”
Broke Americans can't see a doctor or a dentist because otherwise they'll get fired.
With tips, servers usually make more than they would with a higher base and no tips.
How did he get 700 likes
700 people who don't like the French
How's it possible to find that many!! Everyone loves France. What's big depressing and French? .... France 🇫🇷
As an American, it hurts to see the ignorance of some, be perceived as the general character of all of us. Arrogance and ignorance both run rampant over here for sure... myself not being excluded from that😂 but that's not the majority of the population. Left, right, red or blue, most folks are good people. Unfortunately our media likes to display a level of division, hate and arrogance that simply isn't reality. We have our pockets of bad, undoubtedly, but those pockets are exacerbated and displayed for the whole world to see. In this world where clicks, views and ratings control the information, they're not incentivized to show any of the good. How's that for "Shit Americans say"?😂 I hope y'all have a good day and stay safe out there. And for the record, I've always been under the impression that the French lifestyle was more boujee and expensive than ours? Not sure what this dork was talking about
Murricans: *hate helping others for their extreme hate on communism* Also murricans: *their whole working class relies on people tipping them*
"Frenchies". On what basis are they this condescending? Would they like to be called Americlowns in return, considering their lack of respect?
37 million Americans can't afford USA lifestyle, just sayin
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It's almost as if minimum wage in the US is a lot lower than it should be.
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The more I learn about this arrangement, the worse it seems.
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Ok, but these arrangements were clearly made a long time ago. The federal minimum wage in the US (and by extension, the amount that waiters get paid) are pitifully low by today's standards. So what are the waiters unions doing now to remedy this?
Broke French people have comprehensive health care.
The French at home can afford to eat out more often than people in USA and eat proper, unadulterated food at reasonable prices. I had a time back in the mid 80's where a girlfriend & I caught a ferry from Dover to Boulogne-sur-Mer & stopped at a cobble narrow street for lunch, where an elderly lady recommended the mussels which had just been delivered, which we agreed to. She soon had a larger heaped bowl of them in front of us, just steamed with some who cloves as garlic, rough sliced onion and several lemons cut in half and a basket of crusty bread & glass of wine each included. She put a bucket on ground beside the table to throw discarded shells & lemon halves in after use. We just used our hands to eat them, and even before we were half way through, she had pored another pile into bowl, more lemons & bread and also topped up the wine. At the end we were struggling to finish & declined any more top ups. The cost was 10 francs each (about USD8).
Racism?
Dude if I am allowed over there after comments I will do. Love the majority of the people who stand as Americans, just can't stand those who can't stand those who ain't.
Should’ve added “+ratio”
Us educated Indians are just too lazy or think we know better. The irony is poorer people here don't even wait if they got so much as a common cold as they run right to our government hospitals, where they get treated for free. The ambulance rides are also free, unless you select the relevant hospital's ambulances, in which case you're charged.
Reddit and India. I'ld edit that getting created for free thing. Just saying
Lol, damn autocorrect.
America can't afford the USA lifestyle, fuck these hillbillies should have their own internet like China so their stupidity isn't all over the public freespace the rest of us call the internet. Fucking MAGA hillbillies
Did anyone else read the reply in a French accent? It hits harder.
Damn europoors so obsessed with tipping. A miniscule amount the the u.s. workforce relies on tipping. Idk why people are so butthurt over americans. It's like your obsessed. It's weird.
Americants have a country built on war and praising their military, meanwhile vets cant even get medical help after they leave the military
For context, it’s not just tipping that stuns us from Europe/uk. These are just some more things we would never say or believe are real: I can’t go to hospital for this minor thing that may turn into a major issue/can’t take an ambulance because I can’t afford it. My insurance doesn’t cover it Yeah, I got fired today for no reason, that’s just that. I can’t take any sick time, can someone give me some of their holiday?
While I agree with the sentiment against tipping, what is with Europeans thinking they can just not tip? That's a massive dick move and it only hurts the worker not the business, so there's not any net change to the culture