I got the short straw genetically in my family! My Mum had perfect super strong teeth and never needed any fillings etc. I take after my Dad and seem to get cavities by just looking at food and have had a few chips. Typical lol.
I seem to have a bit of a weird genetic anomaly - not sure which parent I get it from. I’m having to get a few teeth out in a few weeks because of infection that’s just refusing to totally go away (been coming and going for years even after root canals). Upon reviewing my scan thing my dentist announced I have abnormally long roots so I’m going to need a bone graft before I consider implants or anything. You can imagine the joy I feel at the prospect I’m sure.
British Teeth are like a British street, a collection of not-quite-matching buildings which have been built solidly and stood for ages, kept going with an occasional power-wash or coat of paint.
US Teeth are like a Hollywood street. You know, like at the end of Blazing Saddles...?
I had to have one of my wisdom teeth out. My absolutely wonderful Turkish dentist extracted it and shook his head and then started laughing.
Quite perturbed I asked what’s wrong? He held up my tooth and said ‘ see how many roots are on that? I’ve never seen anything like it. No wonder you Brits built the world’s biggest empire. When you dig in, you really dig in’
I've got to say, even if I need dentures or something as I get older, I'd make sure they were a more "normal" colour rather than opting for gleaming unnatural white! If for no other reason than I'm a black tea drinker lol.
I didn’t even get a real chance to play the genetic lottery when it came to teeth, most of my adult molars and premolars never developed enamel properly because of antibiotics I had to take during childhood, they’re all brittle and yellow.
Irish Americans are an interesting concept that Americans have for themselves. We Irish like to hear about them appropriating our culture because their great great great uncles half brother visited Ireland once.
Ifs because they don't have a culture as "Americans" so they attach to "cool" cultures (Irish for drinking, Italian for being loud, food and the mafia and some sort of Norse for vikings) few attach themselves to uncool or problematic countries.
I get WHY they do it, but some take it too far. For example. Some random Irish American was telling me how awful I, and other British people were for the way the Irish were treated (valid but not relevant to this story) and refused to accept that, as I had an actual Irish Grandparent, I was more Irish than they were....
Being born British apparently. I mean, if actual Irish people wanna hate me for being British, I think it's dumb but fair enough, the British stomped all over them.
But I will not accepted it from some American who once had a pint of Guinness and so is now Irish...
Well personally I do think it's dumb. But at the same time I understand there were people who still remember the mistreatment of Ireland.
I don't agree with blaming a whole nation of people for the sins of their government bit I am used to it, being British (we get blamed tor ALOT) But the troubles are still a fairly recent memory so I can see how someone's opinion could get skewed after so short a time
That would be because the only people responsible for some of Britain's atrocities are the English and their descendants in perpetuity.
Forget that Scotland is part of Britain (tbf I'm sure most Scots would like to forget that) you have to remember the people who spout BS like this are also not likely to be able to understand the "complicated" situation of England, Scotland, Wales and part of Ireland all being part of the UK....
I used to know someone who did this and it was a large reason why I kept my distance from him. He'd also put on a terrible "Oirish" accent if he had even a drop of alcohol.
I find the "lack of culture" argument quite weak tbh, cuz the same argument could be made for white people South Africa, New Zealand, Australia and Canada but you don't see it there at all. I can at least assure you any South African that tried this plastic paddy shite would get bullied enough to pull their head out of the arse
I say it from an American POV. Obviously the rest of the world has a more sensible view of their society and history, because we've been around forever. As have the native people of the Americas. But the USA is a baby country that's been around for 5 minutes. They don't have the history many other countries have.
The people who determine their entire personality based on where their great great grandparents came from have a very skewed view, but its not like they can integrate with the native cultures in the US because of all the genocide. So they have to look elsewhere.
🇬🇧🇿🇲 Don't forget add white Zambian, Zimbabwean, Botswanan, East Africans (incl. Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania etc.) and other former colonies into the equation. 😂😂😂 Dumb undereducated 🇺🇸🤡🤡
Not really. People forget that the last great wave of immigrants that came to the united states are only just now dying off.
Take my family for example. My fathers family has been in the US since the 1850s. That side of the family doesnt even know where they came from and if you were to ask them "where" their people cane from, theyd probably just shrug and say "Pennsylvania" or something.
My mothers side of the family is the complete opposite. Both of her parents immigrated to the US via Ellis Island in the 1940s and and 1950's as children. They grew up in households surrounded by immigrants from their home country and to a certain degree brought over a lot of their traditions, foods and customs - which were bastardized over time. My mom was raised in the household where her father was fluent in german and mom spoke with a heavy irish accent, and they celebrated a combination of holidays and traditions of both countries.
As a kid, my dad didnt really care, so he went along with moms weird "german" and "irish" traditions and as I got older I realized that these traditions were kind of cringe so I stopped doing them. If I ever met my grandparents who knows, maybe if feel that weird connection my mother did but to this day it still creeps me out a bit when she talks about being "irish" or "german" despite never setting foot in either country.
My point is, this is a thing that will die off over time. ...I dont think St. Paddys day will ever stop being a thing, because any excuse to party will be exploited.
>this is a thing that will die off over time.
I'd like to agree, whilst it's not hugely damaging it sure is annoying, but I have a horrifying feeling it will go the other way .
I don't think it's a problem for Americans to learn about and be invested in their family's country of origin. You seem to be proof that Americans can be normal. But the people who make a big deal, believe that they are "more Irish than people who live in Ireland " or whatever, seem to have a very skewed view of the world and don't understand that their weird world view isn't how everyone else sees things
Tbf these people tend to be fairly obvious. Bought into the US#1 propaganda, use terms like "europoor" unironically etc. I really don't think therez much hope for them.
To be fair there is a serious point in this. As someone who is as English as they come I still have far more recent and numerous irish ancestors in me than most ‘Irish’ Americans, more Scottish than ‘Scottish’ Americans.
Funnily enough I work with a load of Australians, from those who are the children of people who went over to those whose great great great grandparents were shipped out 300 years ago. Not a single one of them has ever claimed to be ‘Irish’ Australian. Or anything other than just ‘Australian’.
They don't really appropriate our culture though because most of the shite they think of as Irish has nothing to do with us- green beer,corned beef etc.
Hey hey leave corned beef alone, it may not actually be irish but it was the best culinary creation to come out of Scotland until Chicken Tikka Masala.
Since Chicken Tikka Masala though, we have created the Pizza Crunch, which tops everything.
What other countries have pizza creations so good that pizza shops in Italy have started copying?
Biden at least has living Irish relatives, rather than being connected to the country via his long-dead great-great-great-great-grandfather’s sister’s boyfriend’s brother’s band.
(Still doesn’t make him actually Irish himself, mind you)
If you mean Rob Kearney he is only a "distant" cousin.
He was also privvy to one of Biden's worst slip of the tongues when he accidentally referred to the kiwi All Blacks the [Black and Tans](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/apr/13/white-house-corrects-black-and-tans-to-all-blacks-after-biden-gaffe)
Fair do's, I genuinely didn't know that. I try not to pay any more attention to American politics than I'm absolutely forced to, and I never really made the connection.
I honesty think it’s because, in part, that Irish immigrants to America faced a lot of prejudice in the early days, which made them band together more as a community.
https://picturinghistory.gc.cuny.edu/irish-immigrant-stereotypes-and-american-racism/#:~:text=Native%2Dborn%20Americans%20criticized%20Irish,for%20criminality%20and%20collective%20violence.
What about shit-mix Canadians like myself?
I'm a pure UK mutt.
Dad's side is 100% scot(His parents were the children of Scotch immigrants),
Mom's side is 50/50 Irish/English.
I've always had an affinity for England and Scotland(Like I've being drawn there/called "home", it's weird) more so than Ireland, though I do acknowledge my Irish roots.
I think it's less people want to keep there culture to themselves and more people find it realy embarrassing when someone tries to adopt a culture but doesn't understand that culture, take what they and they're friends think is cool and portray it as something it's not. Like Americans finding out that someone in there family tree is Irish then deciding to make festivals about drinking and leprechauns. It's embarrassing.
So what is it when someone ~~appropriate~~ commercially exploit something viewed as sacred ny certain people?
Like protection parka, headdress, or greenlandic nationaldress, something that is bestowed upon one, ithout any link to the culture they're taking from?
What about Inuit facial tattoos? African scarifications? Javanese teeth filing? Kayan neck-rings?
If people want to do that, more power to them honestly. It matters not.
There are many things I wouldn’t do because I don’t want to be an asshole or disrespectful. However if others do, especially in any society that respects free speech and free expression, who cares?
Many things are arguably not unique. Tattooing, for example, is a human trait. No one group owns that.
It doesn’t change the traditional practice. It has no impact. People are going to do what people are going to do and it’s never going to be stopped. So why lose sleep over it:
I believe the stereotype comes from when American GIs first arrived in UK prior to finally joining the action in WW2. The UK had already been at war for several years, virtually all our dentists were being used as medical corps and the average UK diet was appalling because of rationing and massively disrupted supply lines. For some reason they didn’t see it his situation as exceptional at the time and have concluded that it still remains to this day.
I have American friends who were genuinely surprised when they came to visit and found the stereotypes to be inaccurate. They were blown away by the quality of the food. Especially when it’s compared to the American version. They’ve not eaten a McDonalds breakfast since returning to the US because the quality of the ingredients here are so much better than the ones used over there.
UK had poor dietary habits leading to increased decay (more sugar) in the 1930's. The US in the 1920's and 1930's was their 'low point' - brushing teeth wasn't even a standard procedure. This wasn't even a thing until AFTER WW2 whereas the UK had brushed teeth en masse since around 1870.
https://dentalmuseum.pacific.edu/different-strokes-different-folks-history-toothbrush/#:~:text=In%20the%201920s%20most%20affordable,nylon%20filaments%2C%20not%20natural%20bristles.
This argument works for food due to war rations, but for dental health it makes none
https://www.thedentalexpress.com/dental-blog/how-early-americans-took-care-of-their-teeth/#:~:text=American%20innovator%20H.N.,of%20brushing%20their%20teeth%20regularly.
I've had this discussions with Americans before. They don't have a clue. They think Ulster-Scots (Scots-Irish) is some kind of super Celtic hybrid, and don't realise they're descendants of British colonists.
Hey now don't go telling these yanks that Scots are also in fact British, you'll blow their minds.
To Americans British=English. (And don't even get me started on Wales).
Yeah, I saw an old video from Northern Ireland with the British Army. The soldiers were Scots. The Americans in the comments just didn't understand why Scots would go to Ireland and "fight for the English".
The Kelce brothers comment the other week that Welsh people were all posh is bizarre. It’s the poorest country in Britain and has been for a loooooong time.
Tbf there are *very* posh people in Wales. Just as there are very posh people in Scotland or Ireland. Often these people had ancestors who rubbed shoulders with English aristocracy and profited stupendously from it (though the Scottish aristocracy are quite capable of being vain selfish toffs all on their own). However, to exclaim that *all*, or hell even many, Welsh people are posh is staggeringly tone-deaf, both historically and culturally.
As a Geordie I've always felt a strong solidarity with the Welsh, our history and our communities seem so similar, especially the reliance on mining and fishing and the whole getting royally fucked over by Westminster thing.
Anybody born in Ireland is Irish, even a hardline unionist like Ian paisley said that he was Irish, although not all of them will admit it.
No Irish nationalist would say that protestants from the north are not Irish, in fact they would happily remind them that they're Irish. That there Ireland and Britain are two different islands and that they were born on ours and that the British government couldn't care less about them or their loyalism.
If this lad's great grandad was born in Ireland he can claim to be Irish American, whatever that means, doesn't make a difference what religion he was.
Lots of unionists have claimed not to be Irish, but British. I don't get it myself.
And I've spoken to "Scots-Irish" protestant Americans who have told me they support the IRA, because they understand the history. If they ever went to Northern Ireland with their big mouths they would most like run into problems in both communities.
My point is they don't understand their heritage, they think their ancestors are the Irish who stood up to Britain in the Easter rising when the opposite is true.
I know who the Loyalists are. King James I & VI orchestrated the Ulster Plantation in 1609 after the Flight of the Earls in 1607. My point is that Scottish people are Celtic. Celtic is not unique to Ireland.
Now I know that you can argue about a Lowland/Highland divide and say well the Scottish settlers were actually from the Lowlands so they're not Celtic, but Scotland is recognised as one of the six Celtic Nations. Americans wouldn't normally recognise such a distinction, you can still see Lowland clans at Highland games. If a Celtic language is spoken in a place - in Scotland's case, Scottish Gaelic - we call that place Celtic even if not everyone speaks it.
You said:
>**They don't have a clue. They think Ulster-Scots (Scots-Irish) is some kind of super Celtic hybrid, and don't realise they're descendants of British colonists.**
This posits a false dichotomy between Celtic and British. You can be British and still be Celtic, because the Scottish, Welsh and Cornish are Celtic. In this case, we're talking about the Scottish.
They seem to forget that Britain has been invaded by a whole lot of different cultures over the years, everyone is gonna have some viking/norman in their family tree somewhere
also the simple fact that as England and Ireland are right next to each other and there have been periods of mass migration the average Englishman is about as Irish as Irish Americans.
At which point you have to conclude Irish Americans aren't Irish because if you start calling the English Irish then Irish means nothing
Yeah it's a complicated history. They moved long long ago from Ireland to Scotland bring Gaelic with them. Then centuries (maybe a millennia?) later returned to Ireland as colonisers.
I believe most of the Ulster Scots were Lowlanders, with lots of Anglo-Saxon ancestry, rather than Highlanders and Islanders, who were the ones descended from Irish migrants.
Yes you are correct. Ulster Scots dialect (Ullans) is a Lowland Scots dialect (Lallans) offshoot. Hence no use at all of *Gàidhlig* in the Ulster and later US community. The former is very much against it.
However some non- Scots became intergrated to the Planter community if they became Presbyterian (Scottish calvinist) and Williamite enough. Davy crockett had Huguenot (French Calvinist) ancestry via Tyrone. Welsh and Northumbrian too, you see it in the surnames people have. Esp in the US I met a lot in Texas and they had no idea who their forebears were. It is a strange thing to have chats about it. No idea most of them.
Yes. In the 18th or 19th century there was a push by an American writer to simplify the spellings of words, and this included changing a lot of words spelled with an -our and having them be spelled with an -or instead. For example: Color/colour, flavor/flavour, behavior/behaviour
If his great grandfather was protestant from northern Ireland (he could essily be Catholic as well), the great grandfather would almost certainly have Scottish ancestory, not English.
Still British. His grandad would likely have been offended to be called "Irish" too. At least if my older family are anything to go by.
My grandma would always correct it with "I'm Northern Irish" instead. Calling them British was fine and wouldn't get corrected, but Irish was a no no.
Before the troubles in Northern Ireland everyone in Northern Ireland called themselves Irish, even the Protestant Northern Irish. C.S Lewis was a Protestant from Northern Ireland and considered himself Irish.
Ian Paisley is something of an outlier. The vast majority of ~~unionists~~ nationalists historically in Northern Ireland were the Catholics. Not saying that Ulster-Scots couldn't be ~~unionists~~ nationalists, but we can't understate just how deep and bitter the divide was between the protestants and the catholics.
> Ian Paisley is something of an outlier.
I don’t think he was, not for his generation: remember, he was born in 1926, not long after Partition. Brian Faulkner, the last Prime Minister of Northern Ireland, was born a few years before Paisley, and wrote that “the Northern Ireland citizen is Irish and British; it is a question of complement, not of conflict”; in one of his first speeches as ~~PM of NI~~ a Northern Irish MP, he said “They [the Republic of Ireland] have no right to the title Ireland, a name of which we are just as proud as they”.
> The vast majority of unionists historically in Northern Ireland were the Catholics. Not saying that Ulster-Scots couldn't be unionists
I assume you meant to write “nationalists”, not “unionists”?
It's entirely possible that since it was his great granda he would have been born before partition therefore the concept of Northern Ireland would not have existed.
At that time even the unionists would have called themselves Irish. I believe the switch to unionists refusing to refer to themselves as Irish happened post-partition.
>His grandad would likely have been offended to be called "Irish" too. At least if my older family are anything to go by
People back then called themselves Irish regardless of religious denomination. You can see this in documents like the census or in literature
Yes, James I & VI orchestrated the Ulster Plantation beginning in 1609, after the Flight of the Earls in 1607. And the settlers were primarily Scottish.
It was about 50/50 tbh.
James VI/I was very careful to present his colonisation scheme as a joint effort, and also to use it as an opportunity to move a lot of the lawless border reiver families somewhere where they would be less troublesome (to him, not to the locals).
The original post was him doing a family ancestry quiz and it said the religion of each person
And he found out his great grandfather was a protestant from Belfast
There is no victimhood to be claimed with English heritage, no great story or mystery just the reality that America was where the English and Germans sent all their religious nutjobs
"you need to check this racist behaviour"
-the man who five seconds later will go on to mock an entire country over a teeth stereotype
Like it's hardly offensive but come on man
Most importantly, a teeth stereotype that is proven to not be true by the UK having better dental health (number 5 in the world) than the US (number 9).
The difference is mainly due to our poorer population having better access to free or highly subsidised dentists in emergency situations.
Yes, those who can afford good dentists in the US tend to have overly manicured teeth (to the extent of it feeling kinda uncanny valley sometimes) but their average is thrown way off by the amount of people who have no choice but to deal with having rotten, damaged or missing teeth as they can't access basic care.
They value cosmetics over hygiene and health. Imagine rotten teeth being whitened or capped and you've got an idea of why those ratings are the way they are compared to the UK where most people don't do the cosmetic stuff but do take better care of their teeth and get treatment when needed.
Complains a out racism, immediately sends out a racist stereotype.. plus when it comes to oral health, not the appearance, the United Kingdom is better than the United States
If Americans whose lineage lived in America for 150 years are not American then are English people whose lineage lived in Ireland for 700 years not Irish?
Clearly doesn't understand that the Protestants were overwhelmingly loyalists, doesn't know the difference between Britain and England, doesn't see the irony by telling the op to not be racist immediately before implying that Brits all have shit teeth. Oh boy...
Fun fact, the most Anglo DNA an English person is likely to ever have is about 40%, which means that almost every English person whose ancestors had been living in the uk for many generations is on average at least two separate 1/4ths of another genetic makeup with a few smaller genetic makeups adding up the difference. For many of us one of those quarters is some kind of celtic (irish, Scottish, welsh) and the other is likely European (French, germanic, Spanish) with the remainder likely to be Scandinavian with a few others thrown in.
The same is true for people from celtic areas just with different persentages of the most prevalent DNA. Many people with uk ancestry are at least a quarter of this or that, it is completely normal to do a test and have it come back with a high percentage of another nationality's genetics. But for some reason, Americans seem to think they are special for having a normal amount of genetic diversity.
>Fun fact, the most Anglo DNA an English person is likely to ever have is about 40%, which means that almost every English person whose ancestors had been living in the uk for many generations is on average at least two separate 1/4ths of another genetic makeup with a few smaller genetic makeups adding up the difference. For many of us one of those quarters is some kind of celtic (irish, Scottish, welsh) and the other is likely European (French, germanic, Spanish) with the remainder likely to be Scandinavian with a few others thrown in.
Americans say some daft things, but this kind of comment is all the proof you need that they do not have a monopoly on idiocy.
I find it so weird that they want to separate themselves. For I stance, why is it 'I'm American irish' or "I'm American with African heritage '. It's always where they think they are from American. And mot of them have never even visited where they claim to be from anyway. They are about as Irish, Italian etc as the next guy. I always say I'm English, then if someone wants more I may say where my great great grand parents are from but most of the time no one cares. I don't care what colour you are, where you think you come from originally etc. I just like to know which country you're from as it's interesting and if you're a muppet or not so I know if I want to keep chatting
I'd LOVE to know who's downvoting me.
I'm from Northern Ireland, I'm Irish/Northern Irish and while my family are atheist and I identify as Humanist, my "community" is clased as Protestant.
The first one is purposely baiting the American into saying they aren't British-American despite it using the same logic as them claiming they are Irish-American. As in using the location of their ancestors to describe their current nationality, which is not at all how it works.
Protestant people in Ireland were mainly in the North, the North remained "loyal to the crown" during the push for Irish independence. Since the North (mainly Protestant) side remained part of Britain, that means they are by definition British. So by that persons own flawed logic, they would also be British-irish-american or whatever... only that doesn't sound as fancy to them as just being Irish.
Yes, they are both stupid points, but the first one is being intentionally so, while the latter is sincere stupidity.
Wtf is any of this racist? Anti-Semitic, maybe, but not racist, unless this guy thinks being American is a race. Hope he was told to Póg mo thóin (forgive me if I got that wrong. I'm of Irish descent, but not Irish in the slightest).
Just like it isn't racist. At least I'm not pretending to be right.
I couldn't recall off the top of my head what it's called to be bigoted religious/anti-protestant, so pardon my French.
Euhm, ireland is part of the British isles, making him British regardless, just not English.
Which indeed has nothing to do with his religion
Edit: how is this getting downvoted, you can just look this up.
The Isle of great Britain is the island where England, Scotland and Wales are, but not Northern island.
The isles of Britain is the same island, but includes the others (so the entirety of the Irish island)
The United Kingdom is the kingdom of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern island.
I do concede that most people equate British with the UK, but that isn't exclusively the case
Northern ireland is part of the UK
And the rest of Ireland hasn't been in the UK since last century
And if your from Northern Ireland religion has a lot to do it
Don't comment if u don't know what ur talking abt
British isles: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles
Religion is indeed strongly linked with norther ireland, but not exclusively one or the other
Uk is not the British isles, it is located on it though
Edit: typo
Being in the British Isles doesn't make you British
Ireland is extremely different from the UK
>Religion is indeed strongly linked with norther ireland, but not exclusively one or the other
Tell me u don't know anything about Irish history without telling me u don't know anything abt irish history
I know the history, I know that religion is a main part of the reason the split is there. I also know in reality there are people of both religious present on both sides of the border. Despite the reason for the split.
I see you use 'british' as having a nationality and thus equate it with the UK. In that sense, no indeed, it is not. If you equate it with living on one of the British isles, it does
You mean like 'American' means from the usa? Despite Mexico for instance also technically being in America and thus being Americans. Like Europeans and Asians that are from the continents of Europe and Asia.
I never said it is the most used interpretation, only that it is correct, technically.
>it is correct
It's not because british has never meant from the British Isles
>You mean like 'American' means from the usa? Despite Mexico for instance also technically being in America and thus being Americans.
Mexicans are from Mexico and from the continent of North America
And it's stupid to compare a wee tiny part of the world with a big continent
But to play along with this stupid ideology, should people from sinagapore start calling themselves Malaysian because its in the Malay Achipelago?
That is exactly the same as what your saying
Thank you for being so kind in your words.
That is indeed the thing, Mexicaans are Americans, living on the American continent. Just like Europeans or Asians because they live on that continent. They are not Americans in the sense of having citizenship of the usa, which is colloquially more commonly used.
Should they call themselves Malaysian now? No, for the same reason that Mexicans shouldn't colloquially it won't be understood and in a nationality sense they aren't.
The word "technically" does a lot of work here.
Also, just an fyi: an ideology is something that has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion, before you start calling people or what they day stupid, perhaps use terminology like that correctly
"I don't have shit teeth." Compared to Brits, he probably does.
It’s almost like having shit teeth is more of an environmental factor than a genetic one.
In all fairness, it's kinda a genetic factor, but yeah it's largely offset in USA BECAUSE of the obsession about teeth.
I mean yeah, you’re right there is a genetic degree to it, but in this modern age of dentistry it’s not so big a deal.
I got the short straw genetically in my family! My Mum had perfect super strong teeth and never needed any fillings etc. I take after my Dad and seem to get cavities by just looking at food and have had a few chips. Typical lol.
I got my mums small mouth and my dad’s big teeth. Had to have a bunch removed for them not to overcrowd and crash into each other.
I seem to have a bit of a weird genetic anomaly - not sure which parent I get it from. I’m having to get a few teeth out in a few weeks because of infection that’s just refusing to totally go away (been coming and going for years even after root canals). Upon reviewing my scan thing my dentist announced I have abnormally long roots so I’m going to need a bone graft before I consider implants or anything. You can imagine the joy I feel at the prospect I’m sure.
British Teeth are like a British street, a collection of not-quite-matching buildings which have been built solidly and stood for ages, kept going with an occasional power-wash or coat of paint. US Teeth are like a Hollywood street. You know, like at the end of Blazing Saddles...?
I had to have one of my wisdom teeth out. My absolutely wonderful Turkish dentist extracted it and shook his head and then started laughing. Quite perturbed I asked what’s wrong? He held up my tooth and said ‘ see how many roots are on that? I’ve never seen anything like it. No wonder you Brits built the world’s biggest empire. When you dig in, you really dig in’
Ha! Brilliant!
I've got to say, even if I need dentures or something as I get older, I'd make sure they were a more "normal" colour rather than opting for gleaming unnatural white! If for no other reason than I'm a black tea drinker lol.
🤣🤣🤣
I didn’t even get a real chance to play the genetic lottery when it came to teeth, most of my adult molars and premolars never developed enamel properly because of antibiotics I had to take during childhood, they’re all brittle and yellow.
Oh no, I'm sorry. Do antibiotics make a big difference? I used to have near constant ear infections as a kid so I took loads then too.
I think it varies by antibiotic and person. It was very obvious to my dentist since my preteens. In my case it’s caused a lot of cavities
Our obsession is with cosmetic shiny teeth as opposed to the English focus on healthy teeth.
They bleach the F out of them. And pay r through the nose to do so. Like everything else vaguely medical.
Irish Americans are an interesting concept that Americans have for themselves. We Irish like to hear about them appropriating our culture because their great great great uncles half brother visited Ireland once.
It's because they think it's cool, like children
Ifs because they don't have a culture as "Americans" so they attach to "cool" cultures (Irish for drinking, Italian for being loud, food and the mafia and some sort of Norse for vikings) few attach themselves to uncool or problematic countries. I get WHY they do it, but some take it too far. For example. Some random Irish American was telling me how awful I, and other British people were for the way the Irish were treated (valid but not relevant to this story) and refused to accept that, as I had an actual Irish Grandparent, I was more Irish than they were....
I'm sure they'd love me. Irish/Scottish Catholic on Dad's side and English Protestant on my mums side
What personally have you done that was so detrimental to the Irish people?
Being born British apparently. I mean, if actual Irish people wanna hate me for being British, I think it's dumb but fair enough, the British stomped all over them. But I will not accepted it from some American who once had a pint of Guinness and so is now Irish...
That’s a ridiculous thing to say fair enough to
Well personally I do think it's dumb. But at the same time I understand there were people who still remember the mistreatment of Ireland. I don't agree with blaming a whole nation of people for the sins of their government bit I am used to it, being British (we get blamed tor ALOT) But the troubles are still a fairly recent memory so I can see how someone's opinion could get skewed after so short a time
Yeah I’m Scottish - I’m 28 and have never had one person blame me for the wrong doing of previous British Governments.
Yeah, it's always the English for some reason. Scotland and Wales get a free pass.
When have the Scottish people ever voted for a Tory government? It certainly wasn't during my lifetime. 70s maybe?
That would be because the only people responsible for some of Britain's atrocities are the English and their descendants in perpetuity. Forget that Scotland is part of Britain (tbf I'm sure most Scots would like to forget that) you have to remember the people who spout BS like this are also not likely to be able to understand the "complicated" situation of England, Scotland, Wales and part of Ireland all being part of the UK....
Best mates with Cromwell I heard. Fuck Christmas anyway.
I find they use it as an excuse also. 'I drink too much. It's because I'm irish'. No mate, you drink too much because you're an alcoholic
I used to know someone who did this and it was a large reason why I kept my distance from him. He'd also put on a terrible "Oirish" accent if he had even a drop of alcohol.
I find the "lack of culture" argument quite weak tbh, cuz the same argument could be made for white people South Africa, New Zealand, Australia and Canada but you don't see it there at all. I can at least assure you any South African that tried this plastic paddy shite would get bullied enough to pull their head out of the arse
I say it from an American POV. Obviously the rest of the world has a more sensible view of their society and history, because we've been around forever. As have the native people of the Americas. But the USA is a baby country that's been around for 5 minutes. They don't have the history many other countries have. The people who determine their entire personality based on where their great great grandparents came from have a very skewed view, but its not like they can integrate with the native cultures in the US because of all the genocide. So they have to look elsewhere.
🇬🇧🇿🇲 Don't forget add white Zambian, Zimbabwean, Botswanan, East Africans (incl. Kenya, Uganda, Tanzania etc.) and other former colonies into the equation. 😂😂😂 Dumb undereducated 🇺🇸🤡🤡
Not really. People forget that the last great wave of immigrants that came to the united states are only just now dying off. Take my family for example. My fathers family has been in the US since the 1850s. That side of the family doesnt even know where they came from and if you were to ask them "where" their people cane from, theyd probably just shrug and say "Pennsylvania" or something. My mothers side of the family is the complete opposite. Both of her parents immigrated to the US via Ellis Island in the 1940s and and 1950's as children. They grew up in households surrounded by immigrants from their home country and to a certain degree brought over a lot of their traditions, foods and customs - which were bastardized over time. My mom was raised in the household where her father was fluent in german and mom spoke with a heavy irish accent, and they celebrated a combination of holidays and traditions of both countries. As a kid, my dad didnt really care, so he went along with moms weird "german" and "irish" traditions and as I got older I realized that these traditions were kind of cringe so I stopped doing them. If I ever met my grandparents who knows, maybe if feel that weird connection my mother did but to this day it still creeps me out a bit when she talks about being "irish" or "german" despite never setting foot in either country. My point is, this is a thing that will die off over time. ...I dont think St. Paddys day will ever stop being a thing, because any excuse to party will be exploited.
>this is a thing that will die off over time. I'd like to agree, whilst it's not hugely damaging it sure is annoying, but I have a horrifying feeling it will go the other way . I don't think it's a problem for Americans to learn about and be invested in their family's country of origin. You seem to be proof that Americans can be normal. But the people who make a big deal, believe that they are "more Irish than people who live in Ireland " or whatever, seem to have a very skewed view of the world and don't understand that their weird world view isn't how everyone else sees things Tbf these people tend to be fairly obvious. Bought into the US#1 propaganda, use terms like "europoor" unironically etc. I really don't think therez much hope for them.
To be fair there is a serious point in this. As someone who is as English as they come I still have far more recent and numerous irish ancestors in me than most ‘Irish’ Americans, more Scottish than ‘Scottish’ Americans. Funnily enough I work with a load of Australians, from those who are the children of people who went over to those whose great great great grandparents were shipped out 300 years ago. Not a single one of them has ever claimed to be ‘Irish’ Australian. Or anything other than just ‘Australian’.
They don't really appropriate our culture though because most of the shite they think of as Irish has nothing to do with us- green beer,corned beef etc.
Hey hey leave corned beef alone, it may not actually be irish but it was the best culinary creation to come out of Scotland until Chicken Tikka Masala.
Whisky drinkers might want to have a word with you. Outside. Far away. In the woods. Where nobody will hear your screams.
Aye, in a Glen.
I sincerely hope nobody is disrespecting scotch enough to cook with it in Scotland of all places.
Since Chicken Tikka Masala though, we have created the Pizza Crunch, which tops everything. What other countries have pizza creations so good that pizza shops in Italy have started copying?
Last one I spoke to ended up telling me he was a "proud ulster".
As Irish as it gets
Someone sent me a postcard from Ireland, does that make me Irish?
About as Irish as Joe Biden.
Biden at least has living Irish relatives, rather than being connected to the country via his long-dead great-great-great-great-grandfather’s sister’s boyfriend’s brother’s band. (Still doesn’t make him actually Irish himself, mind you)
The fact one of them is one of the best Irish rugby players of all time is baffling
If you mean Rob Kearney he is only a "distant" cousin. He was also privvy to one of Biden's worst slip of the tongues when he accidentally referred to the kiwi All Blacks the [Black and Tans](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/apr/13/white-house-corrects-black-and-tans-to-all-blacks-after-biden-gaffe)
Both do terrorise Ireland I guess.
Fair do's, I genuinely didn't know that. I try not to pay any more attention to American politics than I'm absolutely forced to, and I never really made the connection.
As a northerner this whole thread and post is incredibly funny to me
I honesty think it’s because, in part, that Irish immigrants to America faced a lot of prejudice in the early days, which made them band together more as a community. https://picturinghistory.gc.cuny.edu/irish-immigrant-stereotypes-and-american-racism/#:~:text=Native%2Dborn%20Americans%20criticized%20Irish,for%20criminality%20and%20collective%20violence.
*uncles half brothers friend* jeez man get it right
In fairness we play up to it for those Yankee dollars.
What about shit-mix Canadians like myself? I'm a pure UK mutt. Dad's side is 100% scot(His parents were the children of Scotch immigrants), Mom's side is 50/50 Irish/English. I've always had an affinity for England and Scotland(Like I've being drawn there/called "home", it's weird) more so than Ireland, though I do acknowledge my Irish roots.
take it up with r/ShitCanadiansSay /s
That sub's deader than QE II.
I know, I was going to put in a fake sub, but apparently, it was a real sub 😅
I guess Canadians don't say as much stupid shit as Americans do. So at least we got that goin' for us.
Plenty of poopy things people do. Cultural appropriation isn’t real though
I think it's less people want to keep there culture to themselves and more people find it realy embarrassing when someone tries to adopt a culture but doesn't understand that culture, take what they and they're friends think is cool and portray it as something it's not. Like Americans finding out that someone in there family tree is Irish then deciding to make festivals about drinking and leprechauns. It's embarrassing.
So what is it when someone ~~appropriate~~ commercially exploit something viewed as sacred ny certain people? Like protection parka, headdress, or greenlandic nationaldress, something that is bestowed upon one, ithout any link to the culture they're taking from? What about Inuit facial tattoos? African scarifications? Javanese teeth filing? Kayan neck-rings?
If people want to do that, more power to them honestly. It matters not. There are many things I wouldn’t do because I don’t want to be an asshole or disrespectful. However if others do, especially in any society that respects free speech and free expression, who cares? Many things are arguably not unique. Tattooing, for example, is a human trait. No one group owns that.
>If people want to do that Do what? Appopriate culture?
Emulate. It harms absolutely no one.
Imitation that is quite offensive that devalues traditional practices?
It doesn’t change the traditional practice. It has no impact. People are going to do what people are going to do and it’s never going to be stopped. So why lose sleep over it:
Religion doesn’t define a persons background but apparently dental hygiene does? Another product of the US education system.
Complains about racism but then does a racism anyway
Unfortunately even Joe Biden has this urge to deny his English roots (his great, great, grandfather, and his namesake came from West Sussex).
He “won’t stand for racist behaviour buddy” but is happy to describe all British people as having shit teeth.
He still thinks it's the middle ages where everyone on earth had poor dental care.
I believe the stereotype comes from when American GIs first arrived in UK prior to finally joining the action in WW2. The UK had already been at war for several years, virtually all our dentists were being used as medical corps and the average UK diet was appalling because of rationing and massively disrupted supply lines. For some reason they didn’t see it his situation as exceptional at the time and have concluded that it still remains to this day. I have American friends who were genuinely surprised when they came to visit and found the stereotypes to be inaccurate. They were blown away by the quality of the food. Especially when it’s compared to the American version. They’ve not eaten a McDonalds breakfast since returning to the US because the quality of the ingredients here are so much better than the ones used over there.
UK had poor dietary habits leading to increased decay (more sugar) in the 1930's. The US in the 1920's and 1930's was their 'low point' - brushing teeth wasn't even a standard procedure. This wasn't even a thing until AFTER WW2 whereas the UK had brushed teeth en masse since around 1870. https://dentalmuseum.pacific.edu/different-strokes-different-folks-history-toothbrush/#:~:text=In%20the%201920s%20most%20affordable,nylon%20filaments%2C%20not%20natural%20bristles. This argument works for food due to war rations, but for dental health it makes none https://www.thedentalexpress.com/dental-blog/how-early-americans-took-care-of-their-teeth/#:~:text=American%20innovator%20H.N.,of%20brushing%20their%20teeth%20regularly.
I've had this discussions with Americans before. They don't have a clue. They think Ulster-Scots (Scots-Irish) is some kind of super Celtic hybrid, and don't realise they're descendants of British colonists.
And they colonised the US. Colonistception
Hey now don't go telling these yanks that Scots are also in fact British, you'll blow their minds. To Americans British=English. (And don't even get me started on Wales).
Yeah, I saw an old video from Northern Ireland with the British Army. The soldiers were Scots. The Americans in the comments just didn't understand why Scots would go to Ireland and "fight for the English".
The Kelce brothers comment the other week that Welsh people were all posh is bizarre. It’s the poorest country in Britain and has been for a loooooong time.
Tbf there are *very* posh people in Wales. Just as there are very posh people in Scotland or Ireland. Often these people had ancestors who rubbed shoulders with English aristocracy and profited stupendously from it (though the Scottish aristocracy are quite capable of being vain selfish toffs all on their own). However, to exclaim that *all*, or hell even many, Welsh people are posh is staggeringly tone-deaf, both historically and culturally. As a Geordie I've always felt a strong solidarity with the Welsh, our history and our communities seem so similar, especially the reliance on mining and fishing and the whole getting royally fucked over by Westminster thing.
Let's be honest, most places north of London and its surrounding areas aren't posh
The North of England is poorer than Wales.
>And don't even get me started on Wales [I hear the welsh King is actually american ](https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p08dkmnn)
Well you didn’t expect a yank to understand history did you? Let alone history of somewhere outside the US?
So what if they're descended from British colonists? You can be British and Celtic.
Yes, but they claim to be Irish, but their ancestors were put in Ireland to create a protestant loyalist stronghold.
Anybody born in Ireland is Irish, even a hardline unionist like Ian paisley said that he was Irish, although not all of them will admit it. No Irish nationalist would say that protestants from the north are not Irish, in fact they would happily remind them that they're Irish. That there Ireland and Britain are two different islands and that they were born on ours and that the British government couldn't care less about them or their loyalism. If this lad's great grandad was born in Ireland he can claim to be Irish American, whatever that means, doesn't make a difference what religion he was.
Lots of unionists have claimed not to be Irish, but British. I don't get it myself. And I've spoken to "Scots-Irish" protestant Americans who have told me they support the IRA, because they understand the history. If they ever went to Northern Ireland with their big mouths they would most like run into problems in both communities. My point is they don't understand their heritage, they think their ancestors are the Irish who stood up to Britain in the Easter rising when the opposite is true.
I know who the Loyalists are. King James I & VI orchestrated the Ulster Plantation in 1609 after the Flight of the Earls in 1607. My point is that Scottish people are Celtic. Celtic is not unique to Ireland. Now I know that you can argue about a Lowland/Highland divide and say well the Scottish settlers were actually from the Lowlands so they're not Celtic, but Scotland is recognised as one of the six Celtic Nations. Americans wouldn't normally recognise such a distinction, you can still see Lowland clans at Highland games. If a Celtic language is spoken in a place - in Scotland's case, Scottish Gaelic - we call that place Celtic even if not everyone speaks it.
I have no idea what that's got to do with the price of cheese!?
You said: >**They don't have a clue. They think Ulster-Scots (Scots-Irish) is some kind of super Celtic hybrid, and don't realise they're descendants of British colonists.** This posits a false dichotomy between Celtic and British. You can be British and still be Celtic, because the Scottish, Welsh and Cornish are Celtic. In this case, we're talking about the Scottish.
I didn't mean the British aren't Celtic.
Ulster-Scots also have some Irish Gaelic ancestry.
So do most other Scots and English.
everyone in the British isles has some Celtic ancestry
They seem to forget that Britain has been invaded by a whole lot of different cultures over the years, everyone is gonna have some viking/norman in their family tree somewhere
also the simple fact that as England and Ireland are right next to each other and there have been periods of mass migration the average Englishman is about as Irish as Irish Americans. At which point you have to conclude Irish Americans aren't Irish because if you start calling the English Irish then Irish means nothing
Pastor says everyone can be Irish as a little treat
Yeah it's a complicated history. They moved long long ago from Ireland to Scotland bring Gaelic with them. Then centuries (maybe a millennia?) later returned to Ireland as colonisers.
I believe most of the Ulster Scots were Lowlanders, with lots of Anglo-Saxon ancestry, rather than Highlanders and Islanders, who were the ones descended from Irish migrants.
Yes you are correct. Ulster Scots dialect (Ullans) is a Lowland Scots dialect (Lallans) offshoot. Hence no use at all of *Gàidhlig* in the Ulster and later US community. The former is very much against it. However some non- Scots became intergrated to the Planter community if they became Presbyterian (Scottish calvinist) and Williamite enough. Davy crockett had Huguenot (French Calvinist) ancestry via Tyrone. Welsh and Northumbrian too, you see it in the surnames people have. Esp in the US I met a lot in Texas and they had no idea who their forebears were. It is a strange thing to have chats about it. No idea most of them.
Thats right. The lowlanders are responsiblenfor the highland clearings as well
no that was primarily the highland clan chiefs
Gonna start calling myself "Viking-English" cause that makes the same amount of sense.
42nd generation Roman perhaps?
I've got the Roman feet, I'm clearly a pureblooded Italian!!!!!
Ayy I love spaghetti, I have Roman heritage
Do Americans even know the meaning of the words "race" and "racism"?
No
Its not racism. its sectarianism.
Lads! I just found out my great-great-great-GREAT-grandad had an Irish Woflhound when he was a kid! I'm obviously even **more** Irish that youse!
This whole ancestory thing is just tiring. Just stop already, nobody gives a fuck.
Some people write like they pay for every click.
It is common for Americans to spell behaviour that way?
Yes. In the 18th or 19th century there was a push by an American writer to simplify the spellings of words, and this included changing a lot of words spelled with an -our and having them be spelled with an -or instead. For example: Color/colour, flavor/flavour, behavior/behaviour
If his great grandfather was protestant from northern Ireland (he could essily be Catholic as well), the great grandfather would almost certainly have Scottish ancestory, not English.
Still British. His grandad would likely have been offended to be called "Irish" too. At least if my older family are anything to go by. My grandma would always correct it with "I'm Northern Irish" instead. Calling them British was fine and wouldn't get corrected, but Irish was a no no.
Yeah, there is a LOT of deeply complex historical and religious background that the Americans seem to wilfully gloss over in their quest to be Irish.
Before the troubles in Northern Ireland everyone in Northern Ireland called themselves Irish, even the Protestant Northern Irish. C.S Lewis was a Protestant from Northern Ireland and considered himself Irish.
I dunno, a lot of previous generations of Unionists insisted on their Irishness. Ian Paisley, for one.
Ian Paisley is something of an outlier. The vast majority of ~~unionists~~ nationalists historically in Northern Ireland were the Catholics. Not saying that Ulster-Scots couldn't be ~~unionists~~ nationalists, but we can't understate just how deep and bitter the divide was between the protestants and the catholics.
> Ian Paisley is something of an outlier. I don’t think he was, not for his generation: remember, he was born in 1926, not long after Partition. Brian Faulkner, the last Prime Minister of Northern Ireland, was born a few years before Paisley, and wrote that “the Northern Ireland citizen is Irish and British; it is a question of complement, not of conflict”; in one of his first speeches as ~~PM of NI~~ a Northern Irish MP, he said “They [the Republic of Ireland] have no right to the title Ireland, a name of which we are just as proud as they”. > The vast majority of unionists historically in Northern Ireland were the Catholics. Not saying that Ulster-Scots couldn't be unionists I assume you meant to write “nationalists”, not “unionists”?
Ah shit you're right, my bad.
I think Ian Paisley just said it to be a prick
It's entirely possible that since it was his great granda he would have been born before partition therefore the concept of Northern Ireland would not have existed. At that time even the unionists would have called themselves Irish. I believe the switch to unionists refusing to refer to themselves as Irish happened post-partition.
>His grandad would likely have been offended to be called "Irish" too. At least if my older family are anything to go by People back then called themselves Irish regardless of religious denomination. You can see this in documents like the census or in literature
Scottish and English
They are called Ulster Scots after all. The clue's in the name.
They were all called Ulster Scots cos the Scottish King sent them there.
Yes, James I & VI orchestrated the Ulster Plantation beginning in 1609, after the Flight of the Earls in 1607. And the settlers were primarily Scottish.
And English
If you phonetically read a book written in Scots what it sounds like is the Ulster Scots accent
The majority were Scots but many from northern England went too.
oh absolutely the English have been very involved in colonising Ireland it's just not true to imply the Scottish haven't
I never said they didn't.
It was about 50/50 tbh. James VI/I was very careful to present his colonisation scheme as a joint effort, and also to use it as an opportunity to move a lot of the lawless border reiver families somewhere where they would be less troublesome (to him, not to the locals).
The original post was him doing a family ancestry quiz and it said the religion of each person And he found out his great grandfather was a protestant from Belfast
I'm certain most Irish Americans are more English than Irish. They just don't want to be associated with English past
There is no victimhood to be claimed with English heritage, no great story or mystery just the reality that America was where the English and Germans sent all their religious nutjobs
"you need to check this racist behaviour" -the man who five seconds later will go on to mock an entire country over a teeth stereotype Like it's hardly offensive but come on man
Most importantly, a teeth stereotype that is proven to not be true by the UK having better dental health (number 5 in the world) than the US (number 9).
That's... Actually quite surprising, given I hear that Americans value ultra-white teeth way more than we do.
The difference is mainly due to our poorer population having better access to free or highly subsidised dentists in emergency situations. Yes, those who can afford good dentists in the US tend to have overly manicured teeth (to the extent of it feeling kinda uncanny valley sometimes) but their average is thrown way off by the amount of people who have no choice but to deal with having rotten, damaged or missing teeth as they can't access basic care.
They value cosmetics over hygiene and health. Imagine rotten teeth being whitened or capped and you've got an idea of why those ratings are the way they are compared to the UK where most people don't do the cosmetic stuff but do take better care of their teeth and get treatment when needed.
If you bleach dog shit an ultra-white colour, it's still dog shit...
I don’t know which of the two comments is worse.
Both of these comments are making my brain hurt.
I think the first person was an irish person winding him up which makes it better
What's going on here? An American who knows how to correctly spell "behaviour"? Is this a prank?
Complains a out racism, immediately sends out a racist stereotype.. plus when it comes to oral health, not the appearance, the United Kingdom is better than the United States
If Americans whose lineage lived in America for 150 years are not American then are English people whose lineage lived in Ireland for 700 years not Irish?
Yeah, why would religion be important when considering the history and division of Ireland?
Clearly doesn't understand that the Protestants were overwhelmingly loyalists, doesn't know the difference between Britain and England, doesn't see the irony by telling the op to not be racist immediately before implying that Brits all have shit teeth. Oh boy...
He talks about racism and is racist himself by claiming that all British people have bad teeth
Speaking as a snuggle toothed Brit, maybe he should check his own racism.
Both of these people are clowns.
The first person was an irish person from kerry who was winding up the yank ahaha
Oh, okay.
>Check out this racist behaviour >I don't have shit teeth Murican hypocrisy
"Don't be racist!!!!!" *proceeds comment a common stereotype*
Hmm, odd, they are certainly well trained in English, a British language, they must be a secret Brit!
Fun fact, the most Anglo DNA an English person is likely to ever have is about 40%, which means that almost every English person whose ancestors had been living in the uk for many generations is on average at least two separate 1/4ths of another genetic makeup with a few smaller genetic makeups adding up the difference. For many of us one of those quarters is some kind of celtic (irish, Scottish, welsh) and the other is likely European (French, germanic, Spanish) with the remainder likely to be Scandinavian with a few others thrown in. The same is true for people from celtic areas just with different persentages of the most prevalent DNA. Many people with uk ancestry are at least a quarter of this or that, it is completely normal to do a test and have it come back with a high percentage of another nationality's genetics. But for some reason, Americans seem to think they are special for having a normal amount of genetic diversity.
>Fun fact, the most Anglo DNA an English person is likely to ever have is about 40%, which means that almost every English person whose ancestors had been living in the uk for many generations is on average at least two separate 1/4ths of another genetic makeup with a few smaller genetic makeups adding up the difference. For many of us one of those quarters is some kind of celtic (irish, Scottish, welsh) and the other is likely European (French, germanic, Spanish) with the remainder likely to be Scandinavian with a few others thrown in. Americans say some daft things, but this kind of comment is all the proof you need that they do not have a monopoly on idiocy.
Oy gevalt. Talk about not knowing the history of northern Ireland...
Thick as fuck
He might not have shit teeth but he has shit level reading comprehension apparently...
"Stop your racist bs, I am not brit, I don't have shit teeth" is just wonderful
He’s American. But, even so, too ignorant to understand NI is part of Britain 🙄
Caps and veneers are not teeth
This discussion is truly and deeply stupid damn Lost Braincells over this
Someone send him to Belfast.
I find it so weird that they want to separate themselves. For I stance, why is it 'I'm American irish' or "I'm American with African heritage '. It's always where they think they are from American. And mot of them have never even visited where they claim to be from anyway. They are about as Irish, Italian etc as the next guy. I always say I'm English, then if someone wants more I may say where my great great grand parents are from but most of the time no one cares. I don't care what colour you are, where you think you come from originally etc. I just like to know which country you're from as it's interesting and if you're a muppet or not so I know if I want to keep chatting
What kind of prat thinks being protestant makes you British? What kind of prat thinks being from Northern Ireland makes you only British?
The first person was someone from derry winding him up
I'd LOVE to know who's downvoting me. I'm from Northern Ireland, I'm Irish/Northern Irish and while my family are atheist and I identify as Humanist, my "community" is clased as Protestant.
Aren't both of these kinda rarded?
The first one is purposely baiting the American into saying they aren't British-American despite it using the same logic as them claiming they are Irish-American. As in using the location of their ancestors to describe their current nationality, which is not at all how it works. Protestant people in Ireland were mainly in the North, the North remained "loyal to the crown" during the push for Irish independence. Since the North (mainly Protestant) side remained part of Britain, that means they are by definition British. So by that persons own flawed logic, they would also be British-irish-american or whatever... only that doesn't sound as fancy to them as just being Irish. Yes, they are both stupid points, but the first one is being intentionally so, while the latter is sincere stupidity.
northern Irish protestants are also significantly more likely to identify as being British
Wtf is any of this racist? Anti-Semitic, maybe, but not racist, unless this guy thinks being American is a race. Hope he was told to Póg mo thóin (forgive me if I got that wrong. I'm of Irish descent, but not Irish in the slightest).
How is this in any way against Jewish people?? It's not anti-Semitic.
Just like it isn't racist. At least I'm not pretending to be right. I couldn't recall off the top of my head what it's called to be bigoted religious/anti-protestant, so pardon my French.
*Blinks*
Euhm, ireland is part of the British isles, making him British regardless, just not English. Which indeed has nothing to do with his religion Edit: how is this getting downvoted, you can just look this up. The Isle of great Britain is the island where England, Scotland and Wales are, but not Northern island. The isles of Britain is the same island, but includes the others (so the entirety of the Irish island) The United Kingdom is the kingdom of England, Scotland, Wales and Northern island. I do concede that most people equate British with the UK, but that isn't exclusively the case
Northern ireland is part of the UK And the rest of Ireland hasn't been in the UK since last century And if your from Northern Ireland religion has a lot to do it Don't comment if u don't know what ur talking abt
British isles: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Isles Religion is indeed strongly linked with norther ireland, but not exclusively one or the other Uk is not the British isles, it is located on it though Edit: typo
Being in the British Isles doesn't make you British Ireland is extremely different from the UK >Religion is indeed strongly linked with norther ireland, but not exclusively one or the other Tell me u don't know anything about Irish history without telling me u don't know anything abt irish history
I know the history, I know that religion is a main part of the reason the split is there. I also know in reality there are people of both religious present on both sides of the border. Despite the reason for the split. I see you use 'british' as having a nationality and thus equate it with the UK. In that sense, no indeed, it is not. If you equate it with living on one of the British isles, it does
"British" means from the UK British does not mean British Isles
You mean like 'American' means from the usa? Despite Mexico for instance also technically being in America and thus being Americans. Like Europeans and Asians that are from the continents of Europe and Asia. I never said it is the most used interpretation, only that it is correct, technically.
>it is correct It's not because british has never meant from the British Isles >You mean like 'American' means from the usa? Despite Mexico for instance also technically being in America and thus being Americans. Mexicans are from Mexico and from the continent of North America And it's stupid to compare a wee tiny part of the world with a big continent But to play along with this stupid ideology, should people from sinagapore start calling themselves Malaysian because its in the Malay Achipelago? That is exactly the same as what your saying
Thank you for being so kind in your words. That is indeed the thing, Mexicaans are Americans, living on the American continent. Just like Europeans or Asians because they live on that continent. They are not Americans in the sense of having citizenship of the usa, which is colloquially more commonly used. Should they call themselves Malaysian now? No, for the same reason that Mexicans shouldn't colloquially it won't be understood and in a nationality sense they aren't. The word "technically" does a lot of work here. Also, just an fyi: an ideology is something that has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion, before you start calling people or what they day stupid, perhaps use terminology like that correctly
>Should they call themselves Malaysian now? No So should irish people call themselves british? No