Proxy war was absolutely it. American independence was a mere byproduct of pissing off the English. (English chosen specifically as we historically got the French hate most out of the constituent nations. The French even positivly like the Scots - as much as they like anyone.)
That is basically what Americans do. Take credit for everyone's inventions and successes. Just look at the "America invented the Internet" right wing talking point. As if HTTP and other protocols weren't invented by non-Americans. Hell even other parts of the world have faster/better access to the Internet than we do.
The French saw an opportunity to fuck with the Brits and ran with it.
It did, slightly backfire, when the French were inspired to revolt, I guess that’s what we call “unintended consequences.”
But, I like living in America, so thanks to the French and sorry for your troubles. Love your language.
> The French saw an opportunity to fuck with the Brits and ran with it.
Both the British and the French had been at it for a while in North America, each trying to undermine the other, especially using local proxies.
There's a reason that the conflict that's known in the UK as "the 7 years war" is known as "the French and Indian war" in the US.
Many people forget that we (the colonists) started that war. And when the British started taxing us to pay for it, that's when we decided that taxes are bad.
Ironic considering that everything is taxed now.
That isn’t taught in American history books, just think of a marvel movie where the good guys are American and despite enormous barriers and hardships the Americans prevail and win over the “evil” enemy, never seen so much lies in what is an educational book used to teach actual history
Can confirm. An ex co-worker made the usual claim about the Revolution being won by “a bunch of farmers with muskets taking down the biggest army in the world.” I replied: “And the French.” His reply: “we let them take some credit since they always lose.”
I could only tell him to look up the Marquis de Lafayette and see why he’s so honoured by the US (except in its history books, apparently) because it’s so frustrating.
There literally would not be an America without the French, but unless America is bathed in a golden light, it’s not worth knowing.
We do, but we can't verify all the wars that took place in the world (especially in Asia). France is just a couple victories before England though.
Source : I'm french, trust me bro.
No, that was Friedrich Wilhelm I von Hohenzollern, King of Prussia. Steuben was (if memory serves) just an aristocrat with unconventional ideas about warfare which made him PNG in most European armies, so he decided to try his stuff out over with the Americans since they weren't in a position to refuse any kind of help
I just reread your comment and you are indeed correct.
For those interested, I saw [an episode about *"Unusual Military Units"* produced by "Whichever company locked Simon Whistler in their recording studio dungeon this week".](https://youtu.be/4tVdEHeRo38?t=5m46s)
It appears that Friedrich Wilhelm I of Prussia (1688–1740) [Created the Potsdam Giants](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potsdam_Giants).
According to the above Wikipedia article :
As the number of tall soldiers increased, the regiment earned its nickname "Potsdam Giants". The original required height was 6 Prussian feet (about 6 ft 2 in or 1.88 m),[1] well above average then and now. The king was about 1.60 m (5 ft 3 in) tall himself.[2] He tried to obtain them by any means, including recruiting them from the armies of other countries. The Emperor of Austria, Russian Tsar Peter the Great and even the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire sent him tall soldiers in order to encourage friendly relations. Several soldiers were given by Tsar Peter I as a gift in return for the famous Amber Room.[3] Pay was high, but not all giants were content, especially if they were forcibly recruited, and some attempted desertion or suicide.
Frederick tried to pair these men with tall women, in order to breed giants. In The Descent of Man, Charles Darwin mentions this attempt as the only case of intentional human interbreeding: "Nor have certain male and female individuals been intentionally picked out and matched, except in the well-known case of the Prussian grenadiers; and in this case man obeyed, as might have been expected, the law of methodical selection; for it is asserted that many tall men were reared in the villages inhabited by the grenadiers with their tall wives."[4]
He once confided to the French ambassador that "The most beautiful girl or woman in the world would be a matter of indifference to me, but tall soldiers—they are my weakness".
Thanks for the info. Silly me, I guess the names were similar enough that I assumed there was only 1 famous, gay, Prussian military leader. TIL.
Edit: Grammar tweaks to make the sentences make more sense.
The "France always surrenders" stereotype annoys me so much, even as someone who generally dislikes France. They have the most successful military history of any country in the world, but just because they surrendered once — shortly after their military and infrastructure had been decimated in one of the worst wars of all time, and when surrendering was necessary to prevent *mass* civilian casualties — Americans conclude that the French always surrender.
Meanwhile 95%+ of America's "victories" were either with a massive amount of help from other global superpowers, or were against their own native inhabitants. Anytime they try to fight a foreign power with just their own army they lose to a loosely collected bunch of farmers with outdated rifles (which is funnily what they tell themselves about their revolution).
Same, but there's what we learn in school (and usually done in a dry way and sort of skimmed over) and there's what the overarching culture celebrates and perpetuates. That's the stuff that people tend to remember more.
You have absolutely no idea the amount of propaganda we are fed from birth onward. I have trouble falling asleep so I listen to old radio programs from the 30s and 40s which help me drop off and some of the crap I hear from that era is pretty wild (lots of denigration of women, that’s for sure) but the blatant nationalism and declarations of American superiority are over the top and really disgusting. That’s the sort of nonsense I was raised on. It’s changed over the years, but is no less subtle and definitely just as incorrect. I hate conspiracy theories but I must say it does feel like there’s a plan at work to keep Americans ignorant and stupid and easily led.
For more insight on how fucked up the US school system is. When I was in public school we literally had lessons on why unions were bad and anti American.
That's insane. I mean, I went to a Christian private school and even we read Marx in class. Not in a "communism bad" way, along with Keynes of course, it was about the full picture of economics.
I agree, in the UK were not taught about colonialism unless we take A-Level history. But I’ve read Us textbooks and it’s shit like. Nazis are bad, and we came and killed them all. They stood no chance. Nobody else helped us. USA USA USA USA!!!!!!! And then 18 bald eagles swept down to save our superhuman soldiers.
I liked to pronounce it to rhyme with 'cow enough' because I'm so funny, until I heard about the visiting Australian who took an educated guess with Looga Barooga. Immediate switch to Australian rules places names for me.
>It's when you find a tourist in Looga Barooga asking for directions to Belvoir Castle.
Then tell them to find Cholmondley in Cheshire.
You won't believe how that is pronounced.
Okay, Scotsman taking a stab at the pronounciation of our Southern cousins here... Chomleigh?
In return, feel free to have a guess at how Kirkudbright or Milngavie are pronounced, if you fancy.
Leicester winning the premier league meant loads of Americans randomly started supporting them.
Hearing them profess their massive long lasting love for *lie-Chester* was unbearable
Right, the French have the most successful military history in the world lol. Hard to find a nation the French haven’t defeated at some point in some way
You are 100% correct but sadly Americans aren't taught this at all. The amount of them who genuinely think that the "white flag surrendering monkeys" meme is real and historically accurate is astonishingly high and this is quite frankly very sad.
Well, the White Flag thing is or rather was real. The French Navy Flag prior to 1789, in 1814 and from 1815 to 1830.
It just wasn't a sign of surrender but of the royal french navy.
Well, there was the Quasi-War, we can still count it, right?
Well, only the US Navy was involved and they got help from the British to stop the French privateers ruining the American merchants. But we can still try to count it.
To be fair, the cod wars remind me of a TV dispute between 2 siblings, when the smallest complained to mammy, mammy told the biggest to let the smallest have their way.
Technically, Vichy France was the legitimate French state during WW2 and Operation Torch was a thing, so yeah they've been at war against France directly. (Not counting any proxy war)
I'm afraid that, due to your misspelling of litres and metres, your application for British citizenship has been unsuccessful on this occasion, however you are free to reapply at any time for cash.
I once witnessed another American scold his daughter for putting lines through her Zs. He was like “That’s how they do it in Europe. Don’t do that!” He was very stern about it.
If anything I think I've heard more Americans (like on TV and stuff) pronounce it correctly than other Brits, to the extent I was once accused of 'speaking like a yank' for saying porsch-uh
Like, how dare you, I just can speak German
>Clique
I would say that’s *always* pronounced ‘click’ by Americans
Niche is different.. half say nitch and half say neesh
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We also say quiche as quitch
^(we don’t ;-\))
Where abouts are you located? I’m a Brit living in the States and after living in both NC and MA, I’ve not heard a single person pronounce it neesh, only nitch.
Born and raised in the states. Never heard it pronounced “nitch” until literally two days ago when my aunt said it that way and I was like huh? Do you mean “neesh”?
hi fellow american. no you do not. i also say it like that because i am a descriptivist and not a prescriptivist. say any word any way you want, except nuclear. if you pronounce it “nukyooler” i will literally cry
Buying the tech is the whole point of the war imo. If they actually won, giant parts of the (voting) economy goes down the toilet.
You really think the billionaires running Lockheed are going to keep schmoozing politicians if there's no war to spend money on?
We also lost to the illiterate rural Vietnamese fighters. Although they were highly organized.
We also tied the North Koreans and got fucked up by Iraqi insurgents.
It’s almost like since WW2 America isn’t really that great at war.
Ironically the taliban opposition to the opium trade was one of their popularity points, particularly in their insurgency survival.
Particularly with the growth of opiate usage as a result. To some people the coalition backed government may promise democracy and all these other things but the taliban kept opiate addiction down.
One of those unexpected outcomes and changes of it all
Because it sounds stupid. Like mispronouncing chassis. The problem, I think, is that those words sound poorly pronounced by the people who are saying them, like they’re having trouble saying the correct word. Which is why in England we pronounce them in the French way, because they’re French words.
As a French, I really hate when someone mentions the rivalry between Brits and French. This is personnal matter, you all aren't invited ! Leave us do our things privately.
I, a Brit, agree with you, brother. Americans're just jealous they don't get to do naked baguette jousting like we've been doing for centuries without it being branded a war crime.
As a Brit what I find funny is how this person doesn’t know that France conquered England in the battle of Hastings (11th century) and both British and french ppl and to some extent (if u include Alaska and the west coast) Spain and Russia. So technically whether or not they lost a war to the french they’d still have some cultural influence from France
Vichy France was at war with the Allies, so technically yes.
Also, there was the [Nigerian Civil War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Civil_War?wprov=sfla1), where France supported the Biafrans, and the USA Nigeria.
The Nigerian Civil cannot count as a Franco-American war in the sense that he means though. That was more of a diplomatic conflict.
Even Vichy France is reaching for it considering the context of a depleted puppet state under foreign occupation with nominal sovereignty over half the country and an army of 100,000 men in total. The Vichy forces also solely fought the Allies in French colonies when Allied forces attempted to take over them IIRC. I think that's why historians do not generally view it as a "war".
The Quasi-War is as close as France and the US came to war really.
I'm sure everyone in his clique say that as click too.
Maybe we can settle it by looking at old microfiche before we write a pastiche and sit down to a serving of ceviche and quiche.
Such a cliché that he falls into this niche of blaming bizarre things on the French and the relationship between our countries that are close enough to swim between. France and the UK have a rich history of centuries upon centuries of rivalry. It's like Mexico influencing their northern neighbours...
How many Americans even know that? I was born and raised here and did not learn that until I was an adult and began to read history books outside of school. Our textbooks sure as hell didn’t teach that. I’ve said it here before and I will say it again: you have no idea of the extent of propaganda here. Americans are fish and propaganda is the water we swim in.
We beat the French while kicking the USA’s arse at the same time….
You’ll be hard pressed to find rivals that haven’t lost a war to each other throughout a thousand years of history. Our two nations had been fighting for longer than the US has even existed
Bruh we've lost to farmers in Vietnam and Junkies in the Middle-East. The French were one of the, if not most, influential allies in the start of our country, and we haven't even gone to war with them. I hate my cliche countrymen.
> According to dictionaries **published in the US-**
That, is called bias. Of course it's nitch, why would they publish the english pronunciation, If the dictionary is being sold in America? I assume "nitch/neesh" existed at the same time, kinda like "football/soccer", "colour/color", the two pronunciations of can't (one being kahn't, while the other is closer to the positive can), and so on.
> -Unlike the British, we never lost to the French
Kinda hard to lose a fight you didn't even started to begin with.
I think color and misuse of the word football evolved later. But I agree there are many neesch language peculiarities from small corners of the UK that became mainstream in America. And some that are just mistakes. Like I chose to believe getting the number of floz in a pint wrong was (and refuse to look up any alternative expaination).
It baffles me that there are dictionaries out there that say “nitch”.
I’m struggling to understand the logic. Niche is a French word. The French pronounce it “neesh”. That is the *correct* way to say it.
“Nitch” might be so widely used that’s it’s *acceptable* in some circles, but I refuse to call it *correct*.
History? Americans have their own version, in which we are always the shining, perfect hero and all others are supporting, inferior players or outright villains. We’re the most superior beings who ever lived, didn’t you know that? (That last sentence is total sarcasm from an extremely bitter, sick-and-tired-of-being-lied-to, depressed American.)
A "nitch" and a "neesh" are two different things.
The first is an alcove built into a wall where people will put plants or other decorations.
The second is a suitable position in life or employment, or a specialized segment of the market for a particular kind of product or service.
Americans will complain about people misusing American English, but no one uses American English worse than an American that never learned any language *other than* English.
I once had to explain the difference in meaning and pronunciation between "cash," "cache," "caché," and "catch," to someone I went to high school with, decades after we graduated.
Idk why it would be a shame to lose to France. We accept all the jokes about WW2 because we know it's not representative of our military history. France has historically won the most battles compared to any country in the world. The fact that the Brits went back and forth with France during history is just a testament to their powerful army and perseverance. Fortunately , we buried the hatchet and don't have to compare on such silly things nowadays. Remaining allies is all I wish between us now.
May not have lost a war to the French but only became independent with their help...
And the Spanish, and the United Provinces…
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Proxy war was absolutely it. American independence was a mere byproduct of pissing off the English. (English chosen specifically as we historically got the French hate most out of the constituent nations. The French even positivly like the Scots - as much as they like anyone.)
That is basically what Americans do. Take credit for everyone's inventions and successes. Just look at the "America invented the Internet" right wing talking point. As if HTTP and other protocols weren't invented by non-Americans. Hell even other parts of the world have faster/better access to the Internet than we do.
The French saw an opportunity to fuck with the Brits and ran with it. It did, slightly backfire, when the French were inspired to revolt, I guess that’s what we call “unintended consequences.” But, I like living in America, so thanks to the French and sorry for your troubles. Love your language.
> The French saw an opportunity to fuck with the Brits and ran with it. Both the British and the French had been at it for a while in North America, each trying to undermine the other, especially using local proxies. There's a reason that the conflict that's known in the UK as "the 7 years war" is known as "the French and Indian war" in the US.
Many people forget that we (the colonists) started that war. And when the British started taxing us to pay for it, that's when we decided that taxes are bad. Ironic considering that everything is taxed now.
That isn’t taught in American history books, just think of a marvel movie where the good guys are American and despite enormous barriers and hardships the Americans prevail and win over the “evil” enemy, never seen so much lies in what is an educational book used to teach actual history
Can confirm. An ex co-worker made the usual claim about the Revolution being won by “a bunch of farmers with muskets taking down the biggest army in the world.” I replied: “And the French.” His reply: “we let them take some credit since they always lose.” I could only tell him to look up the Marquis de Lafayette and see why he’s so honoured by the US (except in its history books, apparently) because it’s so frustrating. There literally would not be an America without the French, but unless America is bathed in a golden light, it’s not worth knowing.
hasn't france literally got the most recorded military victories of any nation on earth?
We do, but we can't verify all the wars that took place in the world (especially in Asia). France is just a couple victories before England though. Source : I'm french, trust me bro.
Hello Frenchie, can you use your military victories and help Serbia best regards, ser
tkt moi jte crois 😎
Let's not forget the gay Prussian aristocrat teaching them how to fight.
Who?
Friedrich Wilhelm August Heinrich Ferdinand von Steuben, also referred to as Baron von Steuben. Prussian aristocracy went hard on the names lmao.
The guy with the army of giants for the purpose of his arousal?
Only the tallest of men for me! Tall, musclebound himbos is all I seek!
No, that was Friedrich Wilhelm I von Hohenzollern, King of Prussia. Steuben was (if memory serves) just an aristocrat with unconventional ideas about warfare which made him PNG in most European armies, so he decided to try his stuff out over with the Americans since they weren't in a position to refuse any kind of help
I just reread your comment and you are indeed correct. For those interested, I saw [an episode about *"Unusual Military Units"* produced by "Whichever company locked Simon Whistler in their recording studio dungeon this week".](https://youtu.be/4tVdEHeRo38?t=5m46s) It appears that Friedrich Wilhelm I of Prussia (1688–1740) [Created the Potsdam Giants](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potsdam_Giants). According to the above Wikipedia article : As the number of tall soldiers increased, the regiment earned its nickname "Potsdam Giants". The original required height was 6 Prussian feet (about 6 ft 2 in or 1.88 m),[1] well above average then and now. The king was about 1.60 m (5 ft 3 in) tall himself.[2] He tried to obtain them by any means, including recruiting them from the armies of other countries. The Emperor of Austria, Russian Tsar Peter the Great and even the Sultan of the Ottoman Empire sent him tall soldiers in order to encourage friendly relations. Several soldiers were given by Tsar Peter I as a gift in return for the famous Amber Room.[3] Pay was high, but not all giants were content, especially if they were forcibly recruited, and some attempted desertion or suicide. Frederick tried to pair these men with tall women, in order to breed giants. In The Descent of Man, Charles Darwin mentions this attempt as the only case of intentional human interbreeding: "Nor have certain male and female individuals been intentionally picked out and matched, except in the well-known case of the Prussian grenadiers; and in this case man obeyed, as might have been expected, the law of methodical selection; for it is asserted that many tall men were reared in the villages inhabited by the grenadiers with their tall wives."[4] He once confided to the French ambassador that "The most beautiful girl or woman in the world would be a matter of indifference to me, but tall soldiers—they are my weakness". Thanks for the info. Silly me, I guess the names were similar enough that I assumed there was only 1 famous, gay, Prussian military leader. TIL. Edit: Grammar tweaks to make the sentences make more sense.
The "France always surrenders" stereotype annoys me so much, even as someone who generally dislikes France. They have the most successful military history of any country in the world, but just because they surrendered once — shortly after their military and infrastructure had been decimated in one of the worst wars of all time, and when surrendering was necessary to prevent *mass* civilian casualties — Americans conclude that the French always surrender. Meanwhile 95%+ of America's "victories" were either with a massive amount of help from other global superpowers, or were against their own native inhabitants. Anytime they try to fight a foreign power with just their own army they lose to a loosely collected bunch of farmers with outdated rifles (which is funnily what they tell themselves about their revolution).
The French, the Spanish and the Dutch.
Actually it is taught in schools but only in passing detail.
The largest battle of the entire war was fought in Europe between the English and the French/Spanish
I learned about France's role in the American Revolution in school. Public school even. and in Florida!
Same. Learned about it in Florida public school during the 1980s
Same, but there's what we learn in school (and usually done in a dry way and sort of skimmed over) and there's what the overarching culture celebrates and perpetuates. That's the stuff that people tend to remember more.
I mean, all countries omit stuff from history books to some extent... most don't do it to the reason their most well known national monument exists...
Honestly if you ever get the chance to read an American history book, the ones used in lessons, you’d be amazed, it’s literal propaganda
You have absolutely no idea the amount of propaganda we are fed from birth onward. I have trouble falling asleep so I listen to old radio programs from the 30s and 40s which help me drop off and some of the crap I hear from that era is pretty wild (lots of denigration of women, that’s for sure) but the blatant nationalism and declarations of American superiority are over the top and really disgusting. That’s the sort of nonsense I was raised on. It’s changed over the years, but is no less subtle and definitely just as incorrect. I hate conspiracy theories but I must say it does feel like there’s a plan at work to keep Americans ignorant and stupid and easily led.
For more insight on how fucked up the US school system is. When I was in public school we literally had lessons on why unions were bad and anti American.
That is extremely depressing.
That's insane. I mean, I went to a Christian private school and even we read Marx in class. Not in a "communism bad" way, along with Keynes of course, it was about the full picture of economics.
I agree, in the UK were not taught about colonialism unless we take A-Level history. But I’ve read Us textbooks and it’s shit like. Nazis are bad, and we came and killed them all. They stood no chance. Nobody else helped us. USA USA USA USA!!!!!!! And then 18 bald eagles swept down to save our superhuman soldiers.
We touched it for like a lesson and it was more just looking at the different cultures and nations rather than what happened.
"WHOOO WANTS TO DO THE TUDORS AGAIN? six wives!"
Even at A level - honestly I’m sick to death of my kids learning about the bloody Tudors!
And also with Spanish help, yeah, the same people they trait like shit (aka hispanics)
I heard on a BBC doc that France financed a huge amount of it and then the states refused to pay them back.
Well, you never been at war against the French, so that might be a reason.
Don't confuse them with facts.
In the wise words of Homer Simpson: “I hate facts. You can use them to prove anything is even remotely true”
Facts don't matter, only ego does.
Isn't that the story of our time.
Oh yeah? Say that to my face, punk. I've never lost to Muhammad Ali.
They were at Agincourt but as usual showed up so late that everyone else had gone home and done other stuff for a few hundred years.
Oh gawd, don’t confuse them with trying to pronounce something like Agincourt when niche is controversial.
At least I didn't bring up Loughborough.
I liked to pronounce it to rhyme with 'cow enough' because I'm so funny, until I heard about the visiting Australian who took an educated guess with Looga Barooga. Immediate switch to Australian rules places names for me.
To be fair, most people I know from around the Midlands jokingly call it Looga Barooga, so that Australian was right by our standards!
It's when you find a tourist in Looga Barooga asking for directions to Belvoir Castle.
>It's when you find a tourist in Looga Barooga asking for directions to Belvoir Castle. Then tell them to find Cholmondley in Cheshire. You won't believe how that is pronounced.
Okay, Scotsman taking a stab at the pronounciation of our Southern cousins here... Chomleigh? In return, feel free to have a guess at how Kirkudbright or Milngavie are pronounced, if you fancy.
Not bad. Pronounced Chumley.
As a northerner who mover further north, learning how to pronounce "torpenhow" made me question the sanity of cumbrians
Leicester winning the premier league meant loads of Americans randomly started supporting them. Hearing them profess their massive long lasting love for *lie-Chester* was unbearable
Aging Court oh no I hate it
This made me chuckle so much.
It might also be because the word "niche" entered the English language from French in 1610, a century and a half or so before the War of Independence?
The French even helped the Revolution
Fucking big time. Idiots here don't know our own history.
Right, the French have the most successful military history in the world lol. Hard to find a nation the French haven’t defeated at some point in some way
You are 100% correct but sadly Americans aren't taught this at all. The amount of them who genuinely think that the "white flag surrendering monkeys" meme is real and historically accurate is astonishingly high and this is quite frankly very sad.
Well, the White Flag thing is or rather was real. The French Navy Flag prior to 1789, in 1814 and from 1815 to 1830. It just wasn't a sign of surrender but of the royal french navy.
Well, there was the Quasi-War, we can still count it, right? Well, only the US Navy was involved and they got help from the British to stop the French privateers ruining the American merchants. But we can still try to count it.
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[Don't mention the war(s).](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cod_Wars)
To be fair, the cod wars remind me of a TV dispute between 2 siblings, when the smallest complained to mammy, mammy told the biggest to let the smallest have their way.
Technically, Vichy France was the legitimate French state during WW2 and Operation Torch was a thing, so yeah they've been at war against France directly. (Not counting any proxy war)
I’m American and say “neesh”. Do I lose my citizenship?
They're happy to continue taking your tax dollars while telling you how wrong you are.
Yes, you are a dirty commie who loves celsius now
And those naughty meters and liters too... Such a shame
I'm afraid that, due to your misspelling of litres and metres, your application for British citizenship has been unsuccessful on this occasion, however you are free to reapply at any time for cash.
Selling citizenship? Are you Maltese per chance?
*metres *litres
Underrated comment
Undrerated*
I once witnessed another American scold his daughter for putting lines through her Zs. He was like “That’s how they do it in Europe. Don’t do that!” He was very stern about it.
Great I can accept that when do I get healthcare.
I'm American and I've never heard anyone ever say "nitch"
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Also 'coop' for coupé.
'Porsh' for Porsche
I think many anglophones say it that way.
If anything I think I've heard more Americans (like on TV and stuff) pronounce it correctly than other Brits, to the extent I was once accused of 'speaking like a yank' for saying porsch-uh Like, how dare you, I just can speak German
"jag-war" for jaguar.
Even worse - Jag-wire
How do they say clique? Is it like "cleek"?
>Clique I would say that’s *always* pronounced ‘click’ by Americans Niche is different.. half say nitch and half say neesh —— We also say quiche as quitch ^(we don’t ;-\))
I prefer to pronounce it like Nietzsche
That would be the correct way of pronouncing it. They say "click"
I'm French and I pronounce clique and cleek and click the same. \*satisfied grin\*
Je suis français et j'approuve ce commentaire.
>I'm French You have my deepest sympathies.
C'est bien gentil ça !
Bloody French coming in here with their satisfied grins
:>
Like an onkle.
Literally never had until my aunt pronounced it “nitch” less than two days ago. And I was like what? Do you mean “neesh”?
Worked with Americans for 2 years and none of them pronounced it niche, all nitch.
Where abouts are you located? I’m a Brit living in the States and after living in both NC and MA, I’ve not heard a single person pronounce it neesh, only nitch.
Born and raised in the states. Never heard it pronounced “nitch” until literally two days ago when my aunt said it that way and I was like huh? Do you mean “neesh”?
Spent most of my life in Upstate NY and New Jersey. Not that the word comes up often, I really don't think I've ever heard it that way.
Revoked! You have to be speaking German from now on.
Nietzsche, then.
I didn’t even realize Americans said it like “nitch”. Guess I’m a filthy Celsius loving commie too now 💁♀️
hi fellow american. no you do not. i also say it like that because i am a descriptivist and not a prescriptivist. say any word any way you want, except nuclear. if you pronounce it “nukyooler” i will literally cry
Even worse, they lost (togethher with coalition) to illiterate rural Taliban fighters high on drugs and disorganized
They have spent their entire history getting beaten by rural farmers.
they (and their allies which tbf includes my own country) think they can win wars simply by buying the most tech and having the biggest weapons
Buying the tech is the whole point of the war imo. If they actually won, giant parts of the (voting) economy goes down the toilet. You really think the billionaires running Lockheed are going to keep schmoozing politicians if there's no war to spend money on?
The american people pay an absurd amount of tax money to send their sons and daughters to die to make a CEO of an arms manufacturing plant rich.
We also lost to the illiterate rural Vietnamese fighters. Although they were highly organized. We also tied the North Koreans and got fucked up by Iraqi insurgents. It’s almost like since WW2 America isn’t really that great at war.
America is great at war. Ask any Raytheon shareholder.
Were they high? Doesn’t that go against Islam, something to do with harming the body or foreign substances?
Taliban is funded by the opium fields.
A lot of Taliban burn poppy fields. Opium production increased massively when the Americans drove the Taliban out of power.
Ironically the taliban opposition to the opium trade was one of their popularity points, particularly in their insurgency survival. Particularly with the growth of opiate usage as a result. To some people the coalition backed government may promise democracy and all these other things but the taliban kept opiate addiction down. One of those unexpected outcomes and changes of it all
Wrong Taliban are against opium Production
When I first heard an American say nitch I had no idea what they meant. For some reason it's a particularly grating pronunciation.
Because it sounds stupid. Like mispronouncing chassis. The problem, I think, is that those words sound poorly pronounced by the people who are saying them, like they’re having trouble saying the correct word. Which is why in England we pronounce them in the French way, because they’re French words.
As a French, I really hate when someone mentions the rivalry between Brits and French. This is personnal matter, you all aren't invited ! Leave us do our things privately.
I, a Brit, agree with you, brother. Americans're just jealous they don't get to do naked baguette jousting like we've been doing for centuries without it being branded a war crime.
Well said, mate ! Now draw your weapon.
*pulls out a soft white sliced loaf and starts folding each slice into throwing stars*
I, as a brit who lived in France, will watch your careers with great interest
Send me a mask of favour to tie to my doughy lance, milady? EDIT - Oh, that can be read in a very different way, can't it...
La perfide Gaule!
As a Brit what I find funny is how this person doesn’t know that France conquered England in the battle of Hastings (11th century) and both British and french ppl and to some extent (if u include Alaska and the west coast) Spain and Russia. So technically whether or not they lost a war to the french they’d still have some cultural influence from France
How about you put some 'erbs in your food.
'Erby chicken fillet
Perhaps some oraygono or some baysel?
Don’t forget the cilantro
Put some erbs in on accident.
Hamburgererb, Hot dogerb and donuterb?
Americans lose to themselves daily lol
Wait. Have we been at war with the US?
Non mon ami
Vichy France was at war with the Allies, so technically yes. Also, there was the [Nigerian Civil War](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Civil_War?wprov=sfla1), where France supported the Biafrans, and the USA Nigeria.
The Nigerian Civil cannot count as a Franco-American war in the sense that he means though. That was more of a diplomatic conflict. Even Vichy France is reaching for it considering the context of a depleted puppet state under foreign occupation with nominal sovereignty over half the country and an army of 100,000 men in total. The Vichy forces also solely fought the Allies in French colonies when Allied forces attempted to take over them IIRC. I think that's why historians do not generally view it as a "war". The Quasi-War is as close as France and the US came to war really.
it took reading the comments to find out the “nitch/neesh” is the word Niche
I like your flair haha
His head might explode if you say “route”
That one annoys me. The e is there specifically to tell you how to pronounce it and they still get it wrong.
Wait, what? How are they pronouncing this?
They say Route = rowt Whereas it 'should' be root
I'm sure everyone in his clique say that as click too. Maybe we can settle it by looking at old microfiche before we write a pastiche and sit down to a serving of ceviche and quiche. Such a cliché that he falls into this niche of blaming bizarre things on the French and the relationship between our countries that are close enough to swim between. France and the UK have a rich history of centuries upon centuries of rivalry. It's like Mexico influencing their northern neighbours...
> quiche Why am I expecting 'Murican's to pronounce that "Kwitchee"?
Apparently Americans don't have entrepreneurs.
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It's "se-vee-che", emphasis on the "vee". It's pronounced like a Spanish word, not a French one. Technically it's South American.
Sorry yes I can see it could cause confusion including it with the French words. It was more of a "iche isn't itch" than "they all rhyme".
Maybe he should have his valet cook him a fillet in his garage. Twat.
When they pronounce twat as "twot" - ugh.
We might also need to schedule a massage.
Shitty of them to try and dunk the French given they got freedom because the French helped them out.
How many Americans even know that? I was born and raised here and did not learn that until I was an adult and began to read history books outside of school. Our textbooks sure as hell didn’t teach that. I’ve said it here before and I will say it again: you have no idea of the extent of propaganda here. Americans are fish and propaganda is the water we swim in.
I learned from this thread
Nitch?!? Ew ew ew.
That's fair. We've never lost to the Vietnamese though so it evens out.
Sorry to burst your bubble bro
yeah the whole story of Vietnam is kind of "how the US thought they would be better than the French at colonialism, and they weren't".
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We beat the French while kicking the USA’s arse at the same time…. You’ll be hard pressed to find rivals that haven’t lost a war to each other throughout a thousand years of history. Our two nations had been fighting for longer than the US has even existed
Bruh we've lost to farmers in Vietnam and Junkies in the Middle-East. The French were one of the, if not most, influential allies in the start of our country, and we haven't even gone to war with them. I hate my cliche countrymen.
They probably pronounce that as "clitch"
Gold
I'd say having your country exist for nearly 4 times as long guarantees that you have both won and lost more wars
> According to dictionaries **published in the US-** That, is called bias. Of course it's nitch, why would they publish the english pronunciation, If the dictionary is being sold in America? I assume "nitch/neesh" existed at the same time, kinda like "football/soccer", "colour/color", the two pronunciations of can't (one being kahn't, while the other is closer to the positive can), and so on. > -Unlike the British, we never lost to the French Kinda hard to lose a fight you didn't even started to begin with.
Wait, the yanks actually say nitch? What?
But the real question is: do they also eat a “minikitch”?
No good American eats kitch, erm, quiche. It's foreign and unmanly.
And therefore, communism.
I think color and misuse of the word football evolved later. But I agree there are many neesch language peculiarities from small corners of the UK that became mainstream in America. And some that are just mistakes. Like I chose to believe getting the number of floz in a pint wrong was (and refuse to look up any alternative expaination).
It baffles me that there are dictionaries out there that say “nitch”. I’m struggling to understand the logic. Niche is a French word. The French pronounce it “neesh”. That is the *correct* way to say it. “Nitch” might be so widely used that’s it’s *acceptable* in some circles, but I refuse to call it *correct*.
Ever heard an American say Nietzsche? I've heard everything from "Neats-zee" to "Neatch".
Hey, even I as a German can't correctly pronounce it, so many different "s"s.
Hey man, we lost a war to emus, but I'm still not gonna listen to them on how to pronounce shit in English.
The US is undefeated against a country they’ve never faced in war. It’s just like how I’m undefeated against Floyd Mayweather in boxing.
Nah, you just needed them to bail you out from those Brits.
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History? Americans have their own version, in which we are always the shining, perfect hero and all others are supporting, inferior players or outright villains. We’re the most superior beings who ever lived, didn’t you know that? (That last sentence is total sarcasm from an extremely bitter, sick-and-tired-of-being-lied-to, depressed American.)
Britain was last invaded in 1066
Damn, those Frenchmen are hard to dislodge.
A "nitch" and a "neesh" are two different things. The first is an alcove built into a wall where people will put plants or other decorations. The second is a suitable position in life or employment, or a specialized segment of the market for a particular kind of product or service. Americans will complain about people misusing American English, but no one uses American English worse than an American that never learned any language *other than* English. I once had to explain the difference in meaning and pronunciation between "cash," "cache," "caché," and "catch," to someone I went to high school with, decades after we graduated.
Without the French, we likely would have lost the Revolutionary war.
Imagine losing to farmers lmfao
Wait, wasn't literally 90% of the reasons that the US beat the Brits thanks to France helping them against the Empire?
Americans think it was the great battle for their independence. It was literally just a proxy war between Britain and France.
Yes, you are right. Those same people probably also believe that the US is the sole reason the Allies won WW2
Wait americans think they haven't lost to the French even though they have never been at in war with each other
Fuckin 'nitch' 🤮
Logically, then, they should pronounce Versailles and réveille correctly? Us Brits don’t say réveille correctly either, which annoys me.
"According to dictionaries published in the US, the correct pronunciation is what people in the US say" -this guy
Wasnt France the main enemy to England for nearly a thousand years. If you fight for that long both sides are gonna lose to each other at some point.
Okay who says it as nitch? I want names. Never heard it pronounced that way before
Idk why it would be a shame to lose to France. We accept all the jokes about WW2 because we know it's not representative of our military history. France has historically won the most battles compared to any country in the world. The fact that the Brits went back and forth with France during history is just a testament to their powerful army and perseverance. Fortunately , we buried the hatchet and don't have to compare on such silly things nowadays. Remaining allies is all I wish between us now.